DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette

On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 5:27 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > I point my finger at omd for failure to assign a judgement to CFJ 3752 > in a timely fashion. Apologies; I forgot I was assigned to this one. I'll judge it tomorrow.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3753 Assigned to omd

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 7:52 AM James Cook wrote: > Withdraw Rule 2597 (Line-item Veto). Why that rule? It's only a few months old; there are a lot of other rules that are much more stale.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3753 Assigned to omd

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:42 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > So would I face prejudice if I were to open the exact same CFJs again > later once we actually get CHoJ fixed? Fine by me.

DIS: Re: BUS: that pesky empty set again

On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 3:40 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > CFJ: An Agoran decision to select the winner of the election has > a voting method of AI-Majority. > > Rule 1950 (Decisions with Adoption Indices, Power=3): > Adoption index is an untracked switch possessed by Agoran >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Regulated actions reform

On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 3:57 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > A contract CAN define and regulate the following actions, except > that the performance of them must include at least clearly and > unambiguously announcing the performance of the action: What does it mean to "define" an

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 9:58 AM Jason Cobb wrote: > Looking at this again, if the Rules state that doing something is a > crime (such as lying in a public message), then that arguably alters the > Rules-defined "state" of whether or not they are guilty of a crime. Is > this a valid reading, and

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 11:12 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > Also, the bit in Mother May I should still go in the regulated actions > rule. Let's keep all the regulated action stuff in one place. I really like > the current phrasing; it's extremely elegant (honestly, more so than the > one here), and

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 11:12 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > I think you’re making it worse rather than better. I’d drop the “with no > inherent meaning” bit; a judge could easily interpret it to forbid > "distribute" being a term of art, since distributing something has meaning. The point of that

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 10:53 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > In my view, "inherent meaning" is a bit vague. I certainly could write > up a document that suggests a change to the laws of my country, print a > bunch of copies, and then start handing them out to everyone I know. > That seems like it would

DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

Proto: Deregulation, but less so Amend Rule 2125 ("Regulated Actions") to read: An action is regulated if it: (a) consists of altering Rules-defined state (e.g. the act of flipping a Citizenship switch), or (b) is a Rules-defined term of art with no inherent meaning

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Regulated actions reform

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 9:55 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > > > >> Contracts CAN require or forbid actions that are defined in > >> other binding entities. To the extent specified by the Rules, > >> contracts CAN define or regulate other actions. Any actions that > >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Deregulation

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 9:44 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > > > I wasn't intending to refer to that definition. By "game-defined > > action" I simply mean an action which is defined by the game, i.e. > > which exists as a platonic entity because of a definition found in the > > rules. I admit this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Deregulation

umstances under which it can be attempted or performed are not within the Rules' scope to define. If that something literally *consists of* changing the gamestate, like "making omd a player", then... well, I guess I *want* that to count as a game-defined action, since I definitely wan

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Deregulation

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 9:33 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > > This leaves it undefined what a game-defined action is. > It was a term of art that my proposal would have created. Just > incorporating my definition here doesn't work as it was "An action is > game-defined if and only if it is a regulated

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Regulated actions reform

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 9:03 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > Contracts CAN define new actions. These actions CAN only be > sequences of actions that are game-defined, but may include > conditionals, repetition, and other similar constructs. This seems like it could allow contracts

Re: DIS: Proto: Timeline Control Ordnance

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 8:24 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > This proposal codifies a few common sense rules about timelines. For > instance, retroactive modifications are possible, but work by creating > a legal fiction, rather than by changing what actually happened. Overall: Seems quite well

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3737: non-binding agoran decision

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 10:08 PM Reuben Staley wrote: > Recuse D. Margaux? What good would that do? Kick the can down the road until the rule can be fixed. > Also not really something we can force upon em... We can't force em to judge any particular way either.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement of CFJ 3737

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:58 AM D. Margaux wrote: > In my opinion, this case is logically undecidable because the facts of the > case create a legal paradox: the contract states that breathing is > prohibited, but it's ILLEGAL to interpret it to say that it says what it > says. That is a

DIS: Re: OFF: I'm broke!

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 11:40 PM David Seeber wrote: > I also cause myself to receive a Welcome pack since I have not received one > since I returned from being a zombie. Welcome back, by the way.

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 6:08 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > An action that is regulated by a requirement-creating entity CAN > only be performed as described by the entity, and only using the > methods explicitly specified in the entity for performing the given > action. The entity SHALL

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3736 assigned to omd

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:23 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > Recent habits, especially for self-filed motions, are "I self-motion > to reconsider, and submit the entirely same judgement except for a > couple clarifying paragraphs" (like I did for 3733) or trivial > mistakes ("I wrote this long argument

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3736 assigned to omd

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 6:11 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > Hi omd, > > When a Motion to Reconsider is filed, I drop the old arguments > entirely from the case log, so the old judgement isn't mistaken for > precedent (there's no objective way of knowing whether motion-filers > are

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: End of June Zombie Auction

On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 10:40 PM James Cook wrote: > Ha, maybe. Here's another argument, though: Master is secured at a > power threshold of 2. Rule 2551 ("Auction End") only has power 1. I > doubt Rule 2551 can get around that by saying it's Agora doing it > rather than R2551, but if it can, I

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: End of June Zombie Auction

On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 7:44 PM James Cook wrote: > Could you elabourate? Even if we should pretend zombies are assets, it's > not always true that an asset's owner CAN transfer it. E.g. if I had blots > and auctioned them off, I don't think anything would allow me to transfer > them to the

Re: DIS: Idea: Notice and comment

On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 6:56 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > Would such a section become precedent just as the normal part of a > judgment would, or would it be purely informational? I'd say it shouldn't need to be a separate section at all. If the comment is unavailing, then sure, tack on an sentence

Re: DIS: Idea: Notice and comment

On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 5:58 PM James Cook wrote: > Requiring notice and comment would make it a bit more complicated and > time-consuming to judge a CFJ, which might not make sense for simple > ones. Well, most simple cases shouldn't have any comments submitted, and in that case my design would

Re: DIS: report reward fixes

On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 11:42 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > Amend Rule 2496 (Rewards) by replacing: > Publishing a duty-fulfilling report: > with: > Publishing a duty-fulfilling official report: So this would now read * Publishing a duty-fulfilling official report: 5 coins. For

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Weekly Report

On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 2:56 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > It won't self-ratify even then. The resolution of a CFJ doesn't > "cause it to cease to be a doubt" the way a denial of claim does. The > only way to make it undoubted post-CFJ is to either just publish a > "new" document, or re-CoE the old

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Oh, and [Attn. Arbitor]

On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 2:30 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > I'm sorry, what does this mean? Obsolete terminology for saying that I'm interested in judging cases. I figured it was okay since G. would understand it, but maybe I should have been less cute.

DIS: Idea: Notice and comment

Idea: Create a Rules-defined "notice and comment" process for judgements. Since I became active, there have been two judgements in CFJs about minor scams I attempted (3728 and 3833). The first one I had a minor quibble with, so I moved for reconsideration, but nobody bothered to support it. I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ on Blots

On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 12:56 PM D. Margaux wrote: > It's really interesting to me, because within my discipline (law), those > sorts of hyperliteralist interpretations simply wouldn't work. Lawyers would > just intuitively know somehow that this kind of interpretive move would be > out of

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ: Can The Ritual be banished?

On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 4:50 PM Rance Bedwell wrote: > > I want to attempt to banish The Ritual, but I do not believe it is currently > possible to do so. For this reason I Call For Justice for this statement: > > "The value of N Agoran Consent currently required to banish The Ritual (Rule >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Income

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 12:59 AM Rebecca wrote: > > This exact thing was tried in about June of 2017 or 18, soon after the new > "boom and bust" money system came into effect (written by nichdel). I think > it was agreed by all that a duty was a duty imposed by the rules or > something of that

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Dollar Auction

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 2:24 PM Reuben Staley wrote: > I bid TWO UNITED STATES DOLLARS. (This fails because it does not "specify[] the amount of the Auction's currency to bid" [R2550], since the currency is coins.)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comptrollor nerf

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:28 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Ah, here's the protection I was looking for: > > R2350 (power=3): > Once a proposal > is created, neither its text nor any of the aforementioned > attributes can be changed. Hmm... it may still be possible to destroy the

Re: DIS: DMARC bounces (attn Murphy)

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 6:30 PM James Cook wrote: > (I'm not suggesting we use Discourse, just that maybe similar options are > available with the current software.) It seems Mailman does support something like that: https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC

Re: DIS: On Cleanliness

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 7:36 AM Jason Cobb wrote: > Given that Rule 2221 ("Cleanliness") permits correcting the > capitalization of a rule, would that, for example, permit changing a > rule from saying "shall" to "SHALL" (or vice versa)? > > Note: I'm not planning anything, the question just

Re: DIS: Fake Zombies

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 9:15 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > As a person, you possess one and exactly one Citizenship switch. Sending > messages from fake emails stating intent to register when you already > have registered would not change the value of your personal Citizenship > switch. For some fun

Re: DIS: [Referee] Ritual Finger Pointing Proto-Decision

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 8:21 PM Rebecca wrote: > > We do interestingly have a clause that says "The Rules SHALL NOT be > interpreted > so as to proscribe unregulated actions.". I suppose under my > interpretation, anyone who so interprets the rules in any circumstance will > be criminally liable,

Re: DIS: (Attn omd) mailman.agoranomic.org HTTPS certificate error

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:54 PM James Cook wrote: > When I try to load https://mailman.agoranomic.org/, I see a certificate error: Sorry about this! Despite the "Attn omd" in the subject, my eyes saw the "DIS:" and jumped over the rest; I was putting off reading Agora li

Re: DIS: Proto-judgements of CFJs 3726 and 3727

On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 7:57 PM James Cook wrote: > > R1551 reads as if it is trying to avoid amending the past, by amending > > the present gamestate with reference to a hypothetical past. I have > > tried to think of a couple of reasons, but neither feels particularly > > compelling in the face

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8178-8179

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 7:12 AM David Seeber wrote: > I vote as follows: > > 8178 - FOR > 8179 - FOR > > I declare null and void any other votes cast on my behalf. I'm afraid you have to do this in the opposite order. The "null and void" bit presumably successfully retracted the ballots cast on

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal 8177

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 7:05 AM D Margaux wrote: > Additionally, I do not think the conditional vote “required the report > ratification to go through before the voting period ended”; did it? If the > empty reports self-ratify tomorrow, wouldn’t your vote still resolve to FOR? > That is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Referee] Recusal (attn H. Arbitor)

On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 10:56 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > On the subject of community size - welcome back, o and omd!!! Thanks :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Referee] Recusal (attn H. Arbitor)

On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 5:49 PM D. Margaux wrote: > and, therefore, any attempt to impose a fine was retroactively INEFFECTIVE. ...wow, that's strange. Why the heck is rule 2531 designed to make the gamestate (whether fines are EFFECTIVE, and thus indirectly people's voting power) depend on so

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Referee] Recusal (attn H. Arbitor)

On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 4:41 PM James Cook wrote: > For (a): I think it depends what "gamestate" means. It's never really > defined. But personally I was assuming the gamestate covers all the > facts invented by the rules, and not realities, e.g. what happened in > the past. But I'm not sure

Re: DIS: Ruleset history error

On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 3:19 PM Reuben Staley wrote: > Having looked into the matter further, I can safely say that mistakes > were indeed made. The following is my analysis. Thanks for looking into it :) I... never realized that Alexis (aka alercah) was the same person as scshunt, despite

Re: DIS: Score Voting

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 3:20 PM Bernie Brackett wrote: > it feels like there's a discussion going on involving what exactly single > transferable vote means, so I feel like I should bring up that Score Voting > has mathematically been proven to be better. Is there any reason not to > switch to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Referee] Recusal (attn H. Arbitor)

On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 2:09 PM D. Margaux wrote: > It may be worthwhile to wait a couple days. If the reports self-ratify > without any claim of error, then the information therein will be > retroactively accurate... I think? Ratification changes the gamestate to what it would be if the

Re: DIS: [Draft] Refactoring IRV

A few issues with the wording: > > b. The option with the fewest valid ballots specifying it as the first > > entry on the list is identified, and the outcome is the outcome of an > > Instant Runoff decision as if that option had been removed from each valid > > ballot that contained it. It's

Re: DIS: Non-email public fora

I've been a regular user of a Discourse forum for a few years, since the Rust language community deprecated their mailing list in favor of a Discourse instance. Discourse has the interesting property that it actively seeks to allow users to use it *as* a mailing list: receiving one email per

DIS: Re: OFF: agora-official should be working again (with subscriber list cloned from agora-business)

(CCing a-d in case someone actually didn't get it.) On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 7:06 PM, omd wrote: > Hi, > > I've been a bit busy since my last message, but in lieu of objections, > I've gone ahead and replaced the lost config.pck file for > agora-official with one copied from ago

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3642 judged FALSE

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 6:34 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I don't know how mailing lists work. Is a "separate" message sent from > the list to each individual recipient? If so, is there any chance the > stamps on each individual copy of the same message would vary? > (obviously this might fall

Re: DIS: hmmm?

> On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 11:50 PM comex wrote: …okay, last time I thought I just forgot to change my sender name to 'omd', but I definitely did so for this message; it seems Gmail is just bugged. Looks like it works after switching back to the old Gmail.

Re: DIS: Status of the rules

On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 8:05 PM, Ørjan Johansen <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote: > Not sure how it works on a-o but a-b has a 500K limit. > > I sent omd an email about the stuck email, just in case. Yeah, it was caught in the queue due to being over 500K. I approved it and changed th

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Notes on Proposals 7931-7947, 7954-7956

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:42 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > Is it possible to configure Mailman to pass through messages with text/html > parts but to strip them, instead of rejecting them outright? Well, that's odd. According to the logs, you had two messages rejected with the

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Notes on Proposals 7931-7947, 7954-7956

*test*

DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Notes on Proposals 7931-7947, 7954-7956

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > 7941* Alexis 1.0 HTML Scrubbing Alexis 1 sh. > > This does not make any rule changes. I will, however, take it on myself as > Prime Minister to contact the Distributor to make the request.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] News of Agora

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Just as a note, I think 2895 was a Trial on something unrelated, and scshunt > supplied gratuitous arguments for 2897, while accidentally calling them > arguments for 2895. And those arguments got stuck with 2895 in

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] News of Agora

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 3:02 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Yah, I'm looking and I haven't found it. So right now it's just a > "what I think I remember" thing. FWIW, the logic I remember is that > Subject lines are like quotes in replies: they get repeated and replied > to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer attempts a stick-up.

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 3:03 AM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jul 2017, omd wrote: >> There's no law, >> for example, that we have to care about the true Platonic gamestate, >> no law that if we discover something's been done wrong (and no

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer attempts a stick-up.

I just started playing again, so I can't really judge CuddleBeam's attitude or whatever. But as someone who's a fan of scams and has perpetrated many in the past: Scams are a balance. On one hand, by pulling a scam you're inherently taking a toll on other players. A practical toll, because

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer finds The One

On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 4:56 AM, CuddleBeam wrote: > Arguments: > - CFJ 3532 ("Assets with multiple backing documents can't exist") > - R2166 states "An asset is an entity defined as such by a rule", however, > this is in itself a definition of what an asset is - it is

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Appeal resolution for CFJ 3534

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Alex Smith <ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk> wrote: > omd: unresolvable conditional, default PRESENT > [note: omd's conditional depends on the correctness of the judgement; > given that the judgement reasoning is being remanded, there's no > A

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Appeal of CFJ 3534; go vote!

On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > - We have a tradition of fixed-width displays, to the extent that we make > our reports and other legal documents (tables) that way. If tables don't > display correctly, we tend to say "switch to a fixed width

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Appeal of CFJ 3534; go vote!

On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 10:40 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > I'd say that your first two sentences are both effectively quoting the > end of the sentence; «I disagree on this point, and the reason is > "colons aren't always used for quotation"». The third is ambiguous > between

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Appeal of CFJ 3534; go vote!

On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > and in the first case, it's clear that the second line is > being quoted even if you don't attempt to machine-translate the Arabic > (from the fairly well-known facts that Arabic is right-to-left and that > a colon is a

Re: DIS: Heir bugs.

On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 4:47 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: >> Agora, each player, and each organization have corresponding switches >> known as Balance switches. > > So, persons don't have Balance Switches. Nice catch. There's also some semantic confusion here: if you take

Re: DIS: testing mailman 3

On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 8:23 AM, grok (caleb vines) <grokag...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 30, 2017 4:00 PM, "omd" <c.ome...@gmail.com> wrote > > (You're not using the Gmail web interface, right?) > > > Gmail's web client actually has the "plain text"

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Language Trophies

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 1:15 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > If you have a non-Spivak, gender-neutral, identity-neutral form of pronouns, > I would be happy to take you up on learning it. Inclusivity is making > everyone feel included and

Re: DIS: testing mailman 3

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:37 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > Big question that determines my opinion on all of this: would our > current style of web interface still be available? My mailer doesn't > like to give me plain text input, so when I need to see it I use

Re: DIS: Proto: Track it on the wiki

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > I've been thinking about this, and I think my personal cutoff is, oddly > enough, the use of email (but not necessarily to the Agoran lists). I'd > be OK with this only if the external interface was used, or at least >

DIS: Re: BUS: နှိမ့်ချလယ်သမားတစ်ဦးဘာသာစကားထောင်ချောက်ရေးသားထားပါတယ်

2017-06-29 18:00 GMT+02:00 CuddleBeam : > ဤသတင်းစကားကိုတစ်ဦးမိမိဆန္ဒအလျောက်ကိုအီးမေးလ်အကြောင်းပြန်ပေးသူတွေကိုအတိအလင်းဒီမက်ဆေ့ခ်ျ၏ဖန်ဆင်းရှင်အလိုတော်မဆိုလမ်းအတွက်အာမခံဖို့သူတို့ကိုချည်နှောင်ဖို့ဒီသတင်းစကားများ၏ပေးပို့သူဘို့မိမိတို့ခွင့်ပြုချက်ပေးရန်သူတွေကိုဖွဲ့စည်းကြမည်။

DIS: Re: BUS: Either way you look at it... [also contains a CFJ ID number assignment]

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I register. > > H. Registrar, the following is a Cantus Cygneus: Oof :/ > Fine, it's just a nickname. Then, I argued against interpretation of > contracts in other languages. Ignored. I gave in a bit, thinking >

DIS: Re: BUS: 蘭亭社簿記

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 8:53 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I knew CFJ 3492 was a slippery slope. Silly judge. > > This, though, pretty clearly fails the "sufficiently clear" test of > CFJs 3471-3472 (and ultimately 1460). For reference:

Re: DIS: Proto: Track it on the wiki

On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 5:35 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > What about instituting a rule to strongly encourage all players to list in > their message the effects their actions would have on specific variables and > even provisional values

Re: DIS: Proto: Track it on the wiki

On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > One of the huge strengths of Agora is that its entire history can be > deduced from the weekly/monthly office reports, making it easy to > determine facts about past gamestates; and all actions also go via the > lists,

Re: DIS: Proto: Buy low, sell high

[replied to list, since I don't see a reason not to talk in public..] On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > For each Stock, Holdings of that Stock is a player switch whose > value is a nonnegative integer,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: More Betterer Pledges

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Sat, 24 Jun 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> A pledge MAY be considered broken if the pledgor does > > Using MAY here is grammatically odd to me. Do you mean "might"? > Or do you mean (using the definition of MAY)

Re: DIS: Proto: Buy low, sell high

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > Dividends should probably be paid out of some fund or out of Agora’s balance, > or come with an automatic Shiny Relevelling Event, or something. This would > also mean that there would be a limit on how many Shinies can

Re: DIS: Proto: Track it on the wiki

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I don’t like the idea of tracking it in a markdown environment. What about > have a special repository for tracking such things. Meh, I think Markdown is fine - in fact,

DIS: Proto: Track it on the wiki

Proto: Track it on the wiki (AI=2) Create Power-1 Rule titled "Wiki": The Wiki is located at https://agoranomic.org/wiki/. For any state the rules define to be "tracked by all players on the Wiki": - When any player performs an action via public message that

DIS: Proto: Buy low, sell high

Proto: Buy low, sell high (AI=2) Create a Power-1 Rule titled "Stocks": The following Stocks exist: Abbr. Name - CFJCollaborative Finance Journal PDFPower Dance & Fitness PGPPineapple Growers' Partnership RR Renascent Ribbons

DIS: wiki permissions

Do we really need to restrict wiki edits to authorized users? That creates a less friendly experience for new players who would have to ask for permission. The alternative[1] would be allowing edits from anyone with a GitHub account; there's still an account name associated, so I don't think

DIS: testing mailman 3

So, almost exactly a year ago I said I wanted to transition the lists to either GroupServer or Mailman 3, mainly for the sake of a better web interface that includes the ability to post online (to reduce friction for new users who might not want to sign up for 3 mailing lists just to dip their

DIS: Re: BUS: ping

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 1:26 PM, omd <c.ome...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: >> (one of my discussion emails hasn't shown up after an hour, so: public ping) > > Are you talking about this message?

DIS: Re: BUS: ping

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > (one of my discussion emails hasn't shown up after an hour, so: public ping) Are you talking about this message? > Is "green card" going to be standard for over 2 weeks late on > judgements, and late reports? If so,

DIS: sorry & cloudflare

Last night, when I changed the DNS for agoranomic.org to point to GitHub Pages, I forgot to change the MX record so that my server would continue to receive mail. I knew I had to do that, but it slipped my mind... Thus the lists were down for several hours, until this morning when I saw an email

Re: DIS: agoranomic.org

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 6:17 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I like the not using the www prefix as a solution. Once you decide, I can do > the GitHub side of things or allow you to do it. OK, sounds good. I just pointed the root domain to

Re: DIS: agoranomic.org

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 2:39 PM, omd <c.ome...@gmail.com> wrote: > It seems like it would be a good idea to point agoranomic.org at the > new site. Assuming you agree, whoever owns the GitHub organization, > please add www.agoranomic.org as a custom domain in the GitHub > settin

DIS: agoranomic.org

Hey everyone, I like the new site. Actually, I feel kind of bad, since some time ago I said I'd do the tech myself and then I disappeared instead. Not sure why I didn't think of GitHub Pages - that seems to work pretty well! Although it doesn't provide an obvious way to integrate the lists,

DIS: Re: BUS: It's been a while.

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: > I point my finger at omd for violation of No Faking. I do apologize for the confusion; however, I claim I didn't violate No Faking, as it was a good faith mistake (I fi

DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 3527 assigned to V.J. Rada

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > Do you want to join the judge list, by the way? Sure.

Re: DIS: Not a finger point?

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 5:57 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > "If it was required to be initiated, then e SHALL resolve it in a > timely fashion after the end of the voting period." Huh, what a weird > exception: if there's no requirement to initiate a Decision, there's no >

Re: DIS: Rule Improvements

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 6:46 PM, nichdel wrote: > Now that we've discussed the technical improvements to Agora and plans > seem to be underway, I thought it'd be worthwhile to talk in more > detail about possible changes to the rules, especially since that's an > area where

DIS: Re: BUS: Registrar's Weekly Report

On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 5:26 AM, ais523 wrote: > I attempted to post to a public forum. Maybe it didn't go through? Note that the mailing lists are configured to hold all messages from unsubscribed addresses, the vast majority of which are spam, without notifying

Re: DIS: An Agoran Wiki

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Since the core of the wiki is git, it would be trivial to allow you to make >> commits to github, >> which could be merged in (and always preferred in conflicts) regularly. That >> way you could >> still automate

Re: DIS: recordkeeping

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 8:53 PM, Nich Del wrote: > Forgot to add: I'd be happy to start collecting the most recent versions of > reports in a git to get the ball rolling on this. Was there a structure in > mind besides a single folder with each report as its own markdown file?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: might as well try for a show of hands

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Nich Del wrote: > I also don't know who manages what, wrt the site and the lists, but if we > could use one of the three existing lists (agora-official?) with the new > software that would make the transfer that much less painful. Both the site

DIS: recordkeeping

I alluded to this in my original post, but let me elaborate. I've never really liked the "weekly ASCII email report" paradigm, for a few reasons: - In practice, a week is often too long to wait to be updated on the latest state, so officeholders often maintain a continually updated web copy on

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