Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] The Map of Arcadia -- May 31, 2018

2018-06-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
ill extant. > > Speaking of which, I take all assets from the orchard I'm on right now. > > On 06/01/2018 11:21 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > On Fri, 1 Jun 2018, Reuben Staley wrote: > > > CoE: All non-preserved facilities were destroyed o

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Reminder to Herald (and everyone, if there's anyone)

2018-06-05 Thread Kerim Aydin
t; Does SHALL imply CAN? I forget if we ever fixed that. > > On 6/4/2018 1:10 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > A friendly reminder to the Herald about R2495: > >In a timely fashion after the start of June 1 of each year, the > >Herald SHALL pr

Re: DIS: Birthday Tournament

2018-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
Theme aside (which is fine w/me) some kind of "wandering around the map after a goal" sounds cool. One note is that (sometimes) former players/ watchers drop in for the Birthday Tournament, so defining positions (and giving resources?) for non-players within the regs is nice though not required

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald][Medal of Honour]

2018-06-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
No, the whole thing just fails I'm afraid (Rule 2529/3): In the second Eastman week of an Agoran month, if there are any players who are eligible for a Medal of Honour, the Herald CAN, by announcement, initiate an Agoran Decision on who is to be awarded a Medal of Hon

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald][Medal of Honour]

2018-06-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
However, by ais523's logic, from the previous Decision you're supposed to award a Medal to FAILED QUORUM...? On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Corona wrote: > ​Ah, nevermind then.​ > > ~Corona > > On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 10:52 PM, Kerim Aydin > wrote: > > > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Agora and G. accumulate more wealth; zombies & public facilities bankrupt, as always

2018-06-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
t; > On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 2:13 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > I Object to the intent. > > > > I Levy a fine of 2 Blots on Corona (Summary Judgement) for this > > abuse of office. > > > > On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Agora and G. accumulate more wealth; zombies & public facilities bankrupt, as always

2018-06-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > This one I think? Did I use it wrong? > > > > Rule 2479/5 (Power=1.7) > > Official Justice > > > >The Referee CAN, subject to the provisions of this rule, impose &g

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald][Medal of Honour]

2018-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
t; > > > ~Corona > > > > On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 11:10 PM, Kerim Aydin > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > However, by ais523's logic, from the previous Decision you're supposed > > > to award a Medal to FAILED QUORUM.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2018-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
d anything that would allow > withdrawing nominations. > > ~Corona > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, 11 Jun 2018, Ned Strange wrote: > > > I become a candidate for Referee > > > > I withdraw my nomination for Referee. -G. > > > > > > > > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2018-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018, Alex Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2018-06-11 at 08:22 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Which means, YIKES - a person who wins an election, but was the > > interim officeholder before the election, STAYS INTERIM, because e > > didn't "become its holder

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: deputy-[Rulekeepor] Full Logical Ruleset

2018-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018, Ned Strange wrote: > Could this be placed on the website? Once I get my FLR2SLR converter working again (later this week I hope!) I'll put em both up.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Technically Notary] Rubberstamp Repeal

2018-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 12 Jun 2018, Ned Strange wrote: > Will this work? No. But I hate complicated systems that nobody uses. > And this one is incomprehensible and not what the game is really about > anymore. So I'm making the following point. I wholly agree with you. But can we add in a very simple stub th

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3639 judged TRUE

2018-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > First off, I judge this CFJ TRUE. Iff the CFJ exists, it must be true, so > that seems like a pretty safe action. Now for the interesting bit. This has come up from time-to-time and the logic has always been overturned (if it's the sole logic used fo

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Technically Notary] Rubberstamp Repeal

2018-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2018, Ned Strange wrote: > >> Will this work? No. But I hate complicated systems that nobody uses. > >> And this one is incomprehensible and not what the game is really about > >> anym

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Technically Notary] Rubberstamp Repeal

2018-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
I'm really uncomfortable both citing CFJ#s in the Rules, and saying in the Rules that agreements are interpreted "in the same fashion" as rules because that implies all kinds of things (like they're part of the rules, they can redefine things, how power/precedence works, etc). Here's some simpl

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Technically Notary] Rubberstamp Repeal

2018-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > By the way, you broke assets by dropping a conjunction. Assets are in > badly in need of reform too. G., how's that going? Totally dropped it, sorry. feel free to pick it up can't remember where I left the last draft.

DIS: trades

2018-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
Proto: Trades. [this might be a type of contract or something but it seems nice like a standalone too] A player (the seller) CAN create a Trade Offer by announcement, specifying a set of assets e owns (the tender) and an action (the exchange) that e wants in trade (e.g

Re: DIS: trades

2018-06-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
but those can be fixed as they arise. > > I'm not sure if this needs to be a standalone rule. How often do you think > it would come up? > > -Aris > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 11:44 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > > Proto: Trades.

Re: DIS: Regarding the rapid proprietization of land

2018-06-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
What's the reason for the 50/50 rule in the first place? It seems like the current players want plots/little empires whatever, and with upkeep fees keeping things undeveloped is occasionally useful. I would personally either change the ratio to allow more ownership, or maybe just plain old inc

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

2018-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
, > > > unless google translate is broken, it wasn't meant to be translated, > > > it's gibberish. (unless the language isn't supposed to be Greek?) > > > > > > On 6/12/2018 5:40 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > &g

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Re: [Cartographor] The Map of Arcadia -- June 11, 2018

2018-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 13 Jun 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > I'm not entirely clear whether revised reports are supposed to reflect > the game state at the time of the original report, or at the time of > the revision. > > Just in case, I submit a CoE: I built an orchard at (+5, 0) in this > message: > h

Re: DIS: Re: BAK: [Assessor] Humiliations Galore

2018-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 13 Jun 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > Did this copy bounce? That would be concerning. I appreciate the severe > humiliation that you have brought upon me. So the second copy (sent to both BAK and BUS) came to both BAK and BUS, I got both copies. Then your reply to DIS

Re: DIS: Re: BAK: [Assessor] Humiliations Galore

2018-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 13 Jun 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > Did this copy bounce? That would be concerning. I appreciate the severe > humiliation that you have brought upon me. No, this copy came through on both BUS and BAK. I was a bit concerned, because the previous one came back pretty q

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Late monthly Reports: ATMunn, Kenyon

2018-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
he violation was forgiveable you could have gotten away _free_ by > making an apology... not a token one, but a rule 2557 one using at least 200 > words. I'd say it'd also need to show remorse etc. but I think there was a > CFJ interpreting that part _very_ weakly

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Late monthly Reports: ATMunn, Kenyon

2018-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
really a very high priority > at the moment though. If someone wants to adjust the relevant > quantities now, it probably wouldn't cause any problems. > > -Aris > On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 6:52 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > Watching the balances in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Late monthly Reports: ATMunn, Kenyon

2018-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 5:48 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > What about making it so that officers find incense much easier to gain > than non-officers? It'd give something of an incentive for taking the > job, and help to equalise the rate somewhat. (It also makes sense as > being an officer puts you

Re: DIS: Draft: Anonymity Patch

2018-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > Change the power of Rule 478, "Fora", to 3.1. > > [I'm astonished that no one has thought to do this before now, given > that this rule contains conditions for ALL actions taken by sending messages > to work.] Unless there's a specific conflict, I do

Re: DIS: Backup Script

2018-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
I was thinking that - especially noting that the mail-archive version seems to have screened out recent SLRs/FLRs (for size maybe?) On Thu, 14 Jun 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > When the archives come back up (I'm not even going to think about how > much we'd lose if they don't) would someone con

Re: DIS: Draft: Anonymity Patch

2018-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
y "you didn't do it by announcement because the announcement was ambiguous" (the same way you would do if other parts of the announcement were unclear). (I think doing so would fix what you're seeing in R2141). On Thu, 14 Jun 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Thu, Jun 14, 2018

Re: DIS: Draft: Deregulation Act v1

2018-06-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
Before reading, and with advanced appreciaton for the work, after last year I'm not voting for ANY change in the regulations rule before the 25th Birthday Tournament is well and dusted. Hopefully over-caution on my part but forgive that I hope. On Thu, 14 Jun 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > I've

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pledge handoff to Notary

2018-06-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
gNomic > > > one is no longer useful, too) > > > > > > ~Corona > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 1:02 AM, Ned Strange > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Without objection I intend to retract each pledge I own. > > >

Re: DIS: Backup Script

2018-06-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
LR on June 12, FLR on June 6. The main archives are loading the login page, but the login seems non-functional (at least, I can't log in). On Fri, 15 Jun 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I was thinking that - especially noting that th

Re: DIS: Backup Script

2018-06-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
Yah I just checked - BUS and DIS are fine for me but OFF isn't working - browser gives the "connection not secure" warning and when forcing through that the login attempt fails. On Fri, 15 Jun 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jun 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pledge handoff to Notary

2018-06-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
tered my technical domain > of control. > --- > > We really need to figure out these server problems ASAP. > -Aris > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 12:06 PM Aris Merchant < > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Did you ever resolve proposal 805

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pledge handoff to Notary

2018-06-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > Oops. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that one has been resolved. I retract my prior > CFJ, and CFJ "Proposal 8050 has been resolved." Except now - haha - I made a second, hopefully successful attempt to resolve a few moments *before* this second CFJ came in, s

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pledge handoff to Notary

2018-06-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
‐‐‐ > > On June 15, 2018 8:45 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > ​​ > > > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > > > > > Oops. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that one has been resolved. I retract my prior > > > > > > CFJ, and CFJ &qu

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pledge handoff to Notary

2018-06-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
> I don't believe I've received this second attempt either. > > > > -twg > > > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > > > On June 15, 2018 8:45 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 15 Jun 2018, A

DIS: A pass on reports

2018-06-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
Just as a note I won't personally point any fingers for missing reports this week due to the email difficulties (as usual anyone else can do so if they think it appropriate).

DIS: Re: BUS: Election update

2018-06-18 Thread Kerim Aydin
Are any referee candidates willing to share their planned blotting policies? On Sun, 17 Jun 2018, Edward Murphy wrote: > I initiate an Agoran decision to select the winner of the Referee > election. The vote collector is the ADoP (me), the valid options are > Aris and Corona and V.J. Rada and a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Election update

2018-06-18 Thread Kerim Aydin
stances of each case and Eris' > mood when blotting, I don't really have any blanket policies. I will blot > in such a way that maximizes the sum of satisfaction of the players, both > at the moment and in the future. > > ~Corona > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 4:19 PM, K

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Election update

2018-06-18 Thread Kerim Aydin
;s > previous policies, as I found them excessively punitive, and I still don't > trust em with this particular office after how e last left it. > > -Aris > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 7:20 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > Are any referee candid

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Election update

2018-06-18 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 18 Jun 2018, Alex Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2018-06-18 at 09:40 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Honestly the main reason I didn't run again is that checking for past > > reports is a pain even with timely ADoP reports at hand (and I didn't > > want to be haph

DIS: Re: BUS: [Treasuror] new layout with zombies separated - do you like it?

2018-06-18 Thread Kerim Aydin
> [Tue Jun 12 18:54:37] Corona destroyed 6 incense to expunge blots oh, did you want to let your 6 incense for 4 blots self-ratify - you'd mostly convinced me of your argument actually (that it all failed) but up to you.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Treasuror] new layout with zombies separated - do you like it?

2018-06-18 Thread Kerim Aydin
ender); incense is created and each non-zombie player > > > > > > > > receives 5 of it > > > > > > > > [Thu Apr 26 05:24:18] (Assuming G.’s judgement about the scam not > > > > working > > > > > > > > is valid here an

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Treasuror] new layout with zombies separated - do you like it?

2018-06-18 Thread Kerim Aydin
entions which > aren't necessarily my place to make, which is why I left it up to either of > you (or, technically, I suppose, anyone else) to make an actual CoE if you > felt it appropriate. > > (I also have a feeling that I'm horribly overthinking this!) > > -twg &

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Rulekeepor] FLR and SLR

2018-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Alex Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2018-06-20 at 12:04 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > The FLR and SLR are up to date (up to Proposal 8052, and including > > revision for the recent CoE on the Treasuror Rule): > > > > https://agoranomic.or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Rulekeepor] FLR and SLR

2018-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Alex Smith wrote: > Right, the message needs to contain enough context to find the action. > I don't think that's a problem with the message in question, though. So first, I don't think you could argue that I published a Document that contained a report. So for the purpose

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Rulekeepor] FLR and SLR

2018-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
Just as some added fun, note that I found an error (in the "last change" date, so not something required to be reported) - I pushed the fix so the current *document* behind the link is not the one it was when I published the links. Probably a moot point but there it is. On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Ar

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Rulekeepor] FLR and SLR

2018-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
Additional gratuity: There are currently several people who can push to those links (via GitHub) without the push/overwrite being visible or evident to someone following the link. However, the underlying github repo (not findable from those links) would show the commit history that can be cros

Re: DIS: Draft contract for playing chess on the map

2018-06-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > PREAMBLE. This contract is to be interpreted as if it were capable of > defining switches. > If the Cartographor is a party to this contract, e is the recordkeepor > for chess pieces. Define who tracks these switches or are they untracked? (be

Re: DIS: New proposal coming soon-ish

2018-06-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
Oooh ooh can we do the Outer Planes next I want to open a portal and go kill Demogorgon... On Thu, 21 Jun 2018, ATMunn wrote: > I've noticed that I haven't made a proposal in a long time, so I decided > to start working on one, and it's going to be a big one this time. Draft > being worked on r

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Election update

2018-06-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 22 Jun 2018, Edward Murphy wrote: > ais523 wrote: > > Checking for late reports sounds like something that could > > realistically be automated. Perhaps that would help to fix the issue? > > ADoP seems like possibly the most automatable of all the offices. > > It mostly is, provided I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Election update

2018-06-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 22 Jun 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 11:06 AM Alex Smith > wrote: > > > On Fri, 2018-06-22 at 09:48 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Historically we've aggressively avoided mandating format, but I for > > > one have no probl

DIS: I'm no longer getting BUS messages

2018-06-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
I haven't received anything from BUS in my inbox for 48 hours. It's clear froM DIS that others have, I'm missing major threads. Is anyone else NOT receiving from BUS (but is from DIS?) Never had this issue before.

DIS: Re: BUS: the second test

2018-06-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 23 Jun 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > blip > yah, so my subscription was disabled. Fixed, but I'm 99.999% sure that it wasn't something that was set on my end.

DIS: Re: BUS: Resending the message because apparently nobody got it

2018-06-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
Is this case about a missing email, or about using "I do the same thing" to try and vote? If it's about the email problems, could you provide as Evidence the message from your Sent Mail or something, with headers? On Sun, 24 Jun 2018, ATMunn wrote: > I CFJ on the following statement: > >B

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement in CFJ 3646

2018-06-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, Rebecca wrote: > wasn't this overhauled? in a cfj by alexis banning future conditionals > in votes? i don't know where I am anymore. Proposal 7922 last October fixed the Rule to make it absolutely clear that it's evaluated at the end of the voting period. IIRC it was follo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Distributor] about agora-official

2018-06-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
I would happily endorse such a thing. In addition to a special title, a HAN is appropriate I think. On Sun, 24 Jun 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I would like to express my sincere thanks to omd for eir continued > support of the mailing lists. I hope that everyone recognizes w

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: deputy-[Herald] Tournament Proposal

2018-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin
ightforward so maybe an option? Totally agree on levity/not serious. On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > Idea: A debate on a topic of Agoran history, theory, or culture, but > not something overly serious, something with slight levity. > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2018

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: deputy-[Herald] Tournament Proposal

2018-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin
oran-style Arguments (silly or real). 3. Case goal is to determine "who is the true inheritor of Nomic World, FRC or Agora?" or something like that. On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I've sometimes thought about doing a trivia/puzzle quiz that's mostly > answerable

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: deputy-[Herald] Tournament Proposal

2018-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin
, with the Regulation that makes the contract winner into the tournament winner not happening until after that. On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, Corona wrote: > Oh no, I forgot it had to make it 4 days before the birthday due to the > notice/intent. I apologize. > > ~Corona > > On Mon, Ju

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: deputy-[Herald] Tournament Proposal

2018-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, Alex Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2018-06-25 at 14:36 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Totally happy for you to take over again either before or after the > > tournament :) (If you haven't gone further on pokemon I like the FRC > > idea pen

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: deputy-[Herald] Tournament Proposal

2018-06-25 Thread Kerim Aydin
riting, and all kinds of other things. On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, ATMunn wrote: > What is FRC? > > On 6/25/2018 1:20 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > Actually a thought from some of our recent conversation about ancient Agoran > > history and thinking of "Agoran hi

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3642 judged FALSE

2018-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > Oyez! Oyez! Oyez! The court delivers below a verdict on CFJ 3642, > called by The Victorious and Honourable Aris. Utterly brilliant overall. Thank you. Technical question, you write: > 478 states, "Any action performed by sending a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3642 judged FALSE

2018-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
Love to see your logic! When I last had the job I kept meaning to rearrange the Herald's Scroll to be by-person, e.g. OscarMeyr the Thrice-Victorious, Conspirator of Fantasies, Spinner of Scams, 12th Degree Bureaucrat, O.L. On Tue, 26 Jun 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > Under my

DIS: Re: BUS: ping

2018-06-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
I received them both. Check your subscription settings perhaps. That's what happened to me, sometime during the troubles my delivery settings got automagically turned off. On Tue, 26 Jun 2018, Corona wrote: > Seems like I don't receive my emails, did anybody receive the last two > emails I s

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Registrar] Zombie auction resolution

2018-06-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
e. Here are the two messages, for reference: > > https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg32122.html > https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg32174.html > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > &g

Re: DIS: Proto: MALF

2018-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
So I've been planning land purchases, upgrades, and production flow for the next month, it's been fun to do. It's a nice little resource management/placement game right now. But each/every proposal like this throws such planning out the window. If something like this goes through atm, I'm p

Re: DIS: Proto: MALF

2018-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
types exist in the first > > place) is useless > > 2) I think I can make a terribly overpowered lv. 5 refinery (13 coins/1 > > ore) next week, meaning I'll have so many coins that nobody else will be > > able to win any more land, ever. > > >

Re: DIS: Proto: MALF

2018-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > > On June 29, 2018 3:51 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > ​​ > > > > Thanks for the explanation. > > > > On Fri, 29 Jun 2018, Reuben Staley wrote: > > > > > This. This is exactly what I was abo

Re: DIS: Proto: MALF

2018-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
would likely get plenty of votes. > > On Fri, Jun 29, 2018, 10:43 Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > 1. It was thought that being able to target land units you actually > > wanted geographically was better for strategy and would promote > > interesting auctions (yo

DIS: Re: BUS: Fantasy Rules Contract Proto

2018-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
So there were no comments on this is there interest? I have a few minor edits but otherwise it can be started - but depends on whether people want to play it. On Wed, 27 Jun 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > [ > Ok, running out of time. This is a quick job. Please look and >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fantasy Rules Contract Proto

2018-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > I'd tend to give yourself a bit more discussion to render things invalid, > such as if they're off theme or too hard but not impossible. My main edits are to slow down the pace a bit and allow for discussion and a little more flexibility in exactly th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fantasy Rules Contract Proto

2018-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018, David Nicol wrote: > FRC is, you know, currently between rounds. > > Regarding the theme of > "OYEZ, OYEZ! THE DISPUTE BEFORE US TODAY IS WHETHER FRC OR AGORA IS THE > TRUE INHERITOR OF NOMIC WORLD". > > I think there's a "matter of genuine controversy" issue. What diffe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fantasy Rules Contract Proto

2018-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
mutables from one round to the next, even when, as happened > with the recent Agoran Invasion round, the mutables attempt to > fundamentally redefine time itself. > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 1:38 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, 29 Jun

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fantasy Rules Contract Proto

2018-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
quot;do through July" thing) On Fri, 29 Jun 2018, David Nicol wrote: > what, you're going to argue against "Dave believes there is a consensus" ? > > On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 3:19 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I'm *vey* tempted to write the c

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fantasy Rules Contract Proto

2018-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018, Alex Smith wrote: > On Fri, 2018-06-29 at 14:09 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > But more to the point maybe this theme would end up as graybeard-only > > which wasn't my intent (but that was great addition to the previous > > memoirs Dave!) - I was

DIS: Re: BUS: Don't panic, G!

2018-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
Well I *was* going to have you award me your White Ribbon, but I won't :) On Sat, 30 Jun 2018, Telnaior wrote: > So today's Agora's Birthday, or something like that? > > I publicly acknowledge that fact, and then award myself a Magenta Ribbon. > Look, just because I'm spending most of my time

DIS: Fantasy Rules Contract Proto v2

2018-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
[Second draft. Now as pure tournament regs not contract. Added a few bits, and slowed the game down]. FANTASY RULES CONTRACT PROTO. 0. G. CANNOT win this Tournament or become a Contestant. G. is the Judge (gamemaster) of this game. 1. For 4 days after the contest begins, any person

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Registrar] Zombie auction resolution

2018-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
, Jul 1, 2018 at 8:11 PM, Rebecca wrote: > > > I pay Agora 2 coins for the purpose of flipping Ouri's master switch > > > to myself and transfer each of Ouri's assets to me. > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 3:25 AM, Kerim Aydin > > wrote: >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Registrar] Zombie auction resolution

2018-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
un, 1 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > The barring has nothing to do with it. The zombie prices were far too > low before the bar, too. "Get rid of current zombie to bid on the next one" > was definitely intended to be a valid strategy when I wrote the rule. > > On Sun, 1 Ju

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Registrar] Zombie auction resolution

2018-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
se a new one and acquire its riches. > >>> > >>> ~Corona > >>> > >>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Rebecca wrote: > >>> > >>>> The bids on zombie auctions are freakin' silly: I just bid 2 coins to > >>>&

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Registrar] Zombie auction resolution

2018-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
eally defies my expectations. On Sun, 1 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > We purposefully set out a year ago to have a sustainable long-term > economy - from experience with our past "long-term" economies > we let then run for 2-3 years before getting bored enough to scrap. > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Registrar] Zombie auction resolution

2018-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
eason is probably that, because there are four lots and bids are > > retractable, it would take a ton of bids to get to the optimal point. > > I maintain that we should have everyone submit ONE secret bid to the > > auctioneer which is revealed publicly at week's end. > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Registrar] Zombie auction resolution

2018-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
, Rebecca wrote: > > The reason is probably that, because there are four lots and bids are > > retractable, it would take a ton of bids to get to the optimal point. > > I maintain that we should have everyone submit ONE secret bid to the > > auctioneer which is revealed publicl

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Registrar] Zombie auction resolution

2018-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
uld take a ton of bids to get to the optimal point. > > I maintain that we should have everyone submit ONE secret bid to the > > auctioneer which is revealed publicly at week's end. > > > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 2:39 AM, Kerim Aydin > > wrote: > > &

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3647 judged FALSE

2018-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
As assessor, this judgement leaves me woefully confused as it does not appear to be any kind of conditional vote and I'm not going to go digging for the cited discussion. Does this invalidate just ATMunn's vote, or ATMunn's and Trigon's, or what? (I know Corona's is settled in a different CFJ)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3647 judged FALSE

2018-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > > I also vote FOR proposals 8053-8057. > > > > > > -twg On Sun, 1 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > As assessor, this judgement leaves me woefully confused as it does > not appear to be any kind of conditional vote and I'm not

DIS: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8053-8057 (fwd)

2018-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
rking for you, you should get 3 copies (with apologies!) -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 12:50:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Kerim Aydin Reply-To: agora-discussion@agoranomic.org To: Agora Official Subject: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8053-8057 Long Preamble: A

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Feasible Victory & Better Auctions

2018-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, Rebecca wrote: > Also > add in a new paragraph "Rules and Contracts notwithstanding, no > Announcer may ever bid on an Auction they are Announcing". This is a massive disadvantage: It's unfair to ask an officer to completely stay out of a subgame, especially because people

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Feasible Victory & Better Auctions

2018-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
Oh, and on the flip side, better make it a crime for the announcer to reveal bids to anyone before the auction is over! On Sun, 1 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, Rebecca wrote: > > Also > > add in a new paragraph "Rules and Contracts notwithstanding,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Feasible Victory & Better Auctions

2018-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
email the speaker, or prime minister, or someone > else, who can verify if the person has lied after they report. > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 10:04 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, Rebecca wrote: > >> Also > >> add in a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resolving Referee election

2018-07-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, Alex Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2018-07-02 at 08:22 +0200, Corona wrote: > > By the way, what's the point of the Prime Minister having two votes? If > > it's to protect against an invasion, it's terribly ineffective compared to > > festivals, as it's not that hard for the invader

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie Kenyon gives up and builds a mine instead

2018-07-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, Benjamin Schultz wrote: > On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Corona wrote: > > > By the way, you don't need to specify sequential order as (R478): > > > > Actions in messages (including > > sub-messages) are performed in the order they appear in the > > message, un

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie Kenyon gives up and builds a mine instead

2018-07-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, Benjamin Schultz wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Corona wrote: > > > > > By the way, you don't need to specify sequential order as (R478): > > > > > > Actions in messages (in

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly Report: The Re-Sinecuring

2018-07-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
Except: the new contract rule doesn't allow a person, for example, to say "anyone CAN act on behalf of me to do X" because contracts require two parties. It would be good to have a mechanism by which a single person could set up an act-on-behalf. This was also an annoyance when I was trying t

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Notary] Weekly Report: The Re-Sinecuring

2018-07-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
; implication is pretty clear in this such cases. Ordinary contract law > allows someone to agree in advance to a contract with all interested > comers, and I don't know why we'd make an exception here. > > -Aris > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 10:57 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: &

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Land Grants for poorer farmers

2018-07-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
R2532: A player whose master is not emself is a zombie (syn. inactive); all other players are active. On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, Corona wrote: > I don't think that what constitutes an "active" player is defined in the > rules. > > ~Corona > > On M

DIS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] The Map of Arcadia -- 2018-07-02

2018-07-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, Reuben Staley wrote: >Gaelan(a)for key >Kenyon(K) > Trigon(T) >Corona(C) >Aris (A) >

DIS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] The Map of Arcadia -- 2018-07-02

2018-07-02 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, Reuben Staley wrote: > G.(+3, -1) (+1, +1) Also, I think ended up on (+4, -1).

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