Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fw: CFJ: Can The Ritual be banished?

2019-06-11 Thread Rance Bedwell
Yes, I'm planning to switch to my gmail account soon for Agora.  Sorry for the hard to read posts.  I've tried several things, but I still can't tell how a message will look after after been sent through the mailing list.   On Monday, June 10, 2019, 08:36:08 PM CDT, James Cook wrote:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ on Blots

2019-06-11 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
That is quite scary, but I think we're OK - R2577 says "CANNOT be destroyed except by a proposal or rule", not "CAN be destroyed by a proposal or rule", so although it's not _preventing_ unadopted proposals from defining how to destroy assets, it's not creating a _mechanism_ by which they might

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction status (unofficial report)

2019-06-11 Thread David Seeber
I bid 11 coins From: agora-discussion on behalf of Rebecca Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 5:31:40 AM To: Agora Nomic discussions (DF) Subject: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction status (unofficial report) i bid 8 coins On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 12:06 PM James Cook

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction status (unofficial report)

2019-06-11 Thread David Seeber
I bid 11 coins.. Bleh From: agora-business on behalf of Rebecca Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 2:43:03 PM To: agora-busin...@agoranomic.org Subject: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction status (unofficial report) God I hate that there's public and non-public forums.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fw: CFJ: Can The Ritual be banished?

2019-06-11 Thread Reuben Staley
I believe that the problem is that Yahoo does not cooperate with mailman. Each of Rance's emails has gone directly to my spam folder. When I tried to join Agora on my Yahoo account, I received similar reports from other players. It was easier to for me to switch to Gmail that figure out what was

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction status (unofficial report)

2019-06-11 Thread James Cook
V.J. Rada and Baron von Vaderham, you may wish to send those bids to a public forum. On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 at 10:08, David Seeber wrote: > > I bid 11 coins > > From: agora-discussion on behalf of > Rebecca > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 5:31:40 AM > To: Agora

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction status (unofficial report)

2019-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 6/11/2019 6:43 AM, Rebecca wrote: God I hate that there's public and non-public forums. Why do we need them? It should just be OFF and BUS. Because we want to discuss things without accidentally doing things.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ on Blots

2019-06-11 Thread Jason Cobb
I was suggesting a problem with G.'s suggested wording: "except as described by a proposal or rule". I think with the current wording, you're right, although it does prevent players from destroying eir own blots, which is what the CFJ is about. Jason Cobb On 6/11/19 4:41 AM, Timon

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ on Blots

2019-06-11 Thread ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk
On Tue, 2019-06-11 at 12:13 -0400, Jason Cobb wrote: > I was suggesting a problem with G.'s suggested wording: "except as > described by a proposal or rule". I think with the current wording, > you're right, although it does prevent players from destroying eir > own blots, which is what the CFJ

DIS: Re: BUS: finger point

2019-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
I'm happy to take on Arbitor now. Unless someone else jumps in, I'll do a search and deputize to get the current pending batch assigned in the next 24 hours. On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 9:59 AM Aris Merchant wrote: > > I plead guilty. I was extremely busy all of last week IRL, and I’ve still > got

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ on Blots

2019-06-11 Thread Jason Cobb
I was thinking something more like "except as explicitly specified by the asset's backing document", since restricting it to Instruments would prevent a contract from destroying its own indestructible assets. Jason Cobb On 6/11/19 12:42 PM, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: On Tue, 2019-06-11

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ on Blots

2019-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
That works nicely, because "the Rules" as a backing document already specifies how Proposals change things, so that's covered. On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 9:52 AM Jason Cobb wrote: > > I was thinking something more like "except as explicitly specified by > the asset's backing document", since

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ on Blots

2019-06-11 Thread Jason Cobb
So that leaves us with something like { Amend paragraph one of Rule 2577 as follows: Replace the text "An indestructible asset is one defined as such by it backing document, and CANNOT be destroyed except by a proposal or rule, other than this one, specifically addressing the destruction of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pending judicial actions

2019-06-11 Thread Aris Merchant
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 3:43 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 3:17 PM Aris Merchant > wrote: > > Note that (probably) only the Referee can assign an ID number to this > > case. Under Rule 2246, "Submitting a CFJ to the Referee", "the Referee > > receives all obligations and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ on Blots

2019-06-11 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 12:56 PM D. Margaux wrote: > It's really interesting to me, because within my discipline (law), those > sorts of hyperliteralist interpretations simply wouldn't work. Lawyers would > just intuitively know somehow that this kind of interpretive move would be > out of

DIS: Re: BUS: pending judicial actions

2019-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
Sorry - I should add! I see no reason not to assign the currently-favored cases as indicated within the next 24 hours (to D. Margaux, G., and V.J. Rada) - was just giving it a little longer before performing substantive actions (especially with ID numbering), in case I missed something. On Tue,

DIS: Re: BUS: judicial list

2019-06-11 Thread Jason Cobb
What is the '"weekend court" distinction'? Jason Cobb On 6/11/19 4:28 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: The judicial list (interested judges) I'm working from is: D. Margaux, G., Murphy, Trigon, Falsifian, V.J. Rada Any changes/additions, or did I miss anyone? Thinking of doing away with the "weekend

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: judicial list

2019-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
Judicial assignments in R991 give a lot of latitude to the Arbitor, as long as people who are "interested" in judging have reasonably equal opportunities to judge in the long term. Sometimes it's been hard to find enough people willing to say they're "interested" in judging, so we had an informal

DIS: Re: BUS: pending judicial actions

2019-06-11 Thread Aris Merchant
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 12:53 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Please review if you have an interest in a pending case - did I miss anything? > > Cases listed open in the Court Gazette May 27 > - CFJ 3726, later judged by Falsifian, no action needed > - CFJ 3727, later judged by Falsifian,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pending judicial actions

2019-06-11 Thread Rebecca
On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 8:16 AM Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 12:53 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Please review if you have an interest in a pending case - did I miss > anything? > > > > Cases listed open in the Court Gazette May 27 > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pending judicial actions

2019-06-11 Thread Rebecca
ID numbers are entirely informal so anyone can assign them if they like. On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 8:31 AM Rebecca wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 8:16 AM Aris Merchant < > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 12:53 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> > >> > Please

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pending judicial actions

2019-06-11 Thread Aris Merchant
You... may actually be right about that. I would have sworn that it was somewhere that the Arbitor assigned numbers, but I can't seem to find that provision. That's odd, since that's not the case for proposals or rules. -Aris On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 3:32 PM Rebecca wrote: > > ID numbers are

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pending judicial actions

2019-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 3:51 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > In either case, I'm officializing them in my proposal. Still, you're > right that this is interesting, and I could see the precedent being > potentially relevant in the future. I don't want to add to your > overload right after you've taken

DIS: [Promotor] Draft Report

2019-06-11 Thread Aris Merchant
Given how long it's been, and how many proposals there are, I'd like to send out a draft rather than just getting everything wrong. Here's that draft. There will be a small reward (plus my appreciation) for any corrections! -Aris --- I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft Report

2019-06-11 Thread Jason Cobb
I am the author of "Not so indestructible now, eh?". This is correct in the table but not correct in the text of the proposal. Jason Cobb On 6/11/19 7:31 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: Given how long it's been, and how many proposals there are, I'd like to send out a draft rather than just getting