Re: [android-developers] Re: Nexus 2.1 one sale, WHERE is the SDK!
On Sunday 10 January 2010 17:32:22 nexbug wrote: > Users reporting that the notification lights are not working as on > earlier devices(let alone LED color customization). Have been chasing > around trying to figure this out until i realized none of the apps are > showing the flashing notification which we have all come to expect on > the device. Not even SMS messages. > > I am sure the dog-fooders used the phone long enough to notice that > the typical flashing notification light on top never seems to light up > for notifications. Maybe its only to indicate charging.. > > While the pulsing trackball is nice, it is not as noticeable, and its > colors cannot be manipulated. > > (of course unless i am missing something very obvious) http://www.google.com/support/android/bin/static.py?page=guide.cs&guide=27201&topic=27212&answer=168442#1074245 > -g > > On Jan 10, 8:18 am, vorcigernix wrote: > > Whole idea of having google "superphone" and write some main parts of > > OS as closed source bits for that device is flawed from beginning. > > On other hand, if your code works on 2.01, then it should work on > > nexus (except that hw related things). I am missing some big notice on > > developers page month before, saying : "There will be phone with major > > market penetration, which uses 2.01; fix your apps guys" > > > > And..android was never a real opensource system. Google is kind to let > > us access parts main parts of OS, that's it. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Nexus 2.1 one sale, WHERE is the SDK!
Users reporting that the notification lights are not working as on earlier devices(let alone LED color customization). Have been chasing around trying to figure this out until i realized none of the apps are showing the flashing notification which we have all come to expect on the device. Not even SMS messages. I am sure the dog-fooders used the phone long enough to notice that the typical flashing notification light on top never seems to light up for notifications. Maybe its only to indicate charging.. While the pulsing trackball is nice, it is not as noticeable, and its colors cannot be manipulated. (of course unless i am missing something very obvious) -g On Jan 10, 8:18 am, vorcigernix wrote: > Whole idea of having google "superphone" and write some main parts of > OS as closed source bits for that device is flawed from beginning. > On other hand, if your code works on 2.01, then it should work on > nexus (except that hw related things). I am missing some big notice on > developers page month before, saying : "There will be phone with major > market penetration, which uses 2.01; fix your apps guys" > > And..android was never a real opensource system. Google is kind to let > us access parts main parts of OS, that's it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Nexus 2.1 one sale, WHERE is the SDK!
Whole idea of having google "superphone" and write some main parts of OS as closed source bits for that device is flawed from beginning. On other hand, if your code works on 2.01, then it should work on nexus (except that hw related things). I am missing some big notice on developers page month before, saying : "There will be phone with major market penetration, which uses 2.01; fix your apps guys" And..android was never a real opensource system. Google is kind to let us access parts main parts of OS, that's it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Nexus 2.1 one sale, WHERE is the SDK!
I have ceased development on Android entirely. I am now just supporting my 2 apps - one of them a bestseller, the other an OpenGL flight game - as best I can. I'm sure the soundboard authors and the flashlight authors will keep up the stream of garbage, but I'll bet I'm not the only actual quality developer to say "no more". It really is hard to see how Google could have possibly screwed this up any more. It's been a long, slow, two-year trainwreck. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Nexus 2.1 one sale, WHERE is the SDK!
> Reading the numerous N1 reviews over the last day, one recurring theme > is (now that there's finally Android hardware to equal the iPhone) the > app catalog is the major drawback to the platform. IOW, pissing off > developers is the last thing Google should be doing right now. Amusingly enough it's the defenses that Android has because it can multitask that are killing high end development for it. 16MB heap renders the phone just about useless for the high end stuff. -- -- David Sauter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Nexus 2.1 one sale, WHERE is the SDK!
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > While I will not argue that we need to be better about getting SDKs out > earlier, for developers the changes in 2.1 are really not that significant. Does it raise the hard coded heap limit? -- -- David Sauter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Nexus 2.1 one sale, WHERE is the SDK!
I would like to buy the Nexus as well, but I live in Romania, I don't know if it works on Vodafone. Anyone got any idea regarding this? I want to purchase it from U.S. Also, if I buy it, will the Market work for paid apps too? Currently my HTC Magic doesn't have paid apps in Market, but I bought it locally. Maybe it works if I buy the Nexus from U.S. Anyone knows how Market filters users? Is it based on where you are, or where you bought the phone from? Thanks, Cosmin P.S. Sorry for the off-topic reply. On Jan 5, 10:44 pm, Greg Donald wrote: > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Wayne Wenthin wrote: > > Welcome to developing on Android. This is round 2.5 1.6 came out just > > days before. 2.0 came out on the droid before developers (well most of us) > > got to see it and now this. It's almost like Google doesn't want us to > > develop for Android. > > Having all the high IQs in the world doesn't help you when you lack > simple common sense. Google hasn't a clue how to treat developers. > Look at the Market Place stats loss from three weeks ago that no one > is doing anything about: > > http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?tid=4c575... > > -- > Greg Donaldhttp://destiney.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Nexus 2.1 one sale, WHERE is the SDK!
24 hours and counting, still no 2.1 SDK... On Jan 6, 2:16 am, whoodroid wrote: > good, remember, it is the developer who gets knifed in the belly by > paying customers when a phone is released with an SDK he/she has never > seen, and issues arise. Reading the numerous N1 reviews over the last day, one recurring theme is (now that there's finally Android hardware to equal the iPhone) the app catalog is the major drawback to the platform. IOW, pissing off developers is the last thing Google should be doing right now. Not to mention that the inevitable broken apps reflect badly on the platform as a whole. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Nexus 2.1 one sale, WHERE is the SDK!
This is definitely not an acceptable way to treat your developer audience. How would google developers like it if HTC shipped the N1 to customers directly without the OS, and expected Google to ship the OS to the customer, without ever having seen the device beforehand? Granted there is a world of difference in complexity, but that is what this amounts to. As time goes by, and customer bases for our applications grow into the thousands, it is suicidal for developers to expect to have their apps "simply work" on new and radically different platforms. While i agree that the quality and the backward compat of the SDK releases are quite good, remember, it is the developer who gets knifed in the belly by paying customers when a phone is released with an SDK he/she has never seen, and issues arise. I have already received a significant number of emails from existing customers asking if our app will run on the N1 and it is a shame to admit we have never seen it, and to ask the customer to do the first ever hands on test and report back. I hope you do better next time, but wouldn't be surprised if you don't. -goutham On Jan 5, 2:29 pm, Wayne Wenthin wrote: > Yeah Mr. Jobs would never let my app exist. It would be too controversial. > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Jonas Petersson wrote: > > > > > > > Wayne Wenthin wrote: > > >> [...] If they continue I may just break down and buy a Mac. At least > >> with Apple you know where you stand... Generally under the foot of Jobs but > >> at least you know it. > > > Heh, I already have a pretty decent MacBookPro and all I can say is that I > > much prefer running Linux on it and develop Android apps in a pretty open > > environment. Sure, there are things that could could work better and some > > things that I might prioritize differently, but it's complex stuff and it > > keeps evolving at a fast pace without breaking much backwards. > > > If you are into optimizing your short term money, going iPhone may be your > > better choice (or not), but to me Android is more "right". > > > My 0.20 SEK, YMMV / Jonas > > (Winner, Swedish Android Dev Competition 2009) > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Android Developers" group. > > To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > cr...@googlegroups.com> > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en > > -- > Writing code is one of few things > that teaches me I don't know everything. > > Join the Closed Beta of Call Girl Managerhttp://www.fuligin.com/forums -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Nexus 2.1 one sale, WHERE is the SDK!
Yeah Mr. Jobs would never let my app exist. It would be too controversial. On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Jonas Petersson wrote: > Wayne Wenthin wrote: > >> [...] If they continue I may just break down and buy a Mac. At least >> with Apple you know where you stand... Generally under the foot of Jobs but >> at least you know it. >> > > Heh, I already have a pretty decent MacBookPro and all I can say is that I > much prefer running Linux on it and develop Android apps in a pretty open > environment. Sure, there are things that could could work better and some > things that I might prioritize differently, but it's complex stuff and it > keeps evolving at a fast pace without breaking much backwards. > > If you are into optimizing your short term money, going iPhone may be your > better choice (or not), but to me Android is more "right". > >My 0.20 SEK, YMMV / Jonas >(Winner, Swedish Android Dev Competition 2009) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Android Developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en > -- Writing code is one of few things that teaches me I don't know everything. Join the Closed Beta of Call Girl Manager http://www.fuligin.com/forums -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Nexus 2.1 one sale, WHERE is the SDK!
Wayne Wenthin wrote: [...] If they continue I may just break down and buy a Mac. At least with Apple you know where you stand... Generally under the foot of Jobs but at least you know it. Heh, I already have a pretty decent MacBookPro and all I can say is that I much prefer running Linux on it and develop Android apps in a pretty open environment. Sure, there are things that could could work better and some things that I might prioritize differently, but it's complex stuff and it keeps evolving at a fast pace without breaking much backwards. If you are into optimizing your short term money, going iPhone may be your better choice (or not), but to me Android is more "right". My 0.20 SEK, YMMV / Jonas (Winner, Swedish Android Dev Competition 2009) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Nexus 2.1 one sale, WHERE is the SDK!
Thanks for replying Dianne, it's nice to see an official face in one of these threads. I have to say though that with the best will in the world chances are things are still going to break somewhere, although admittedly minor ones. The other thing, which is more important imo, is engaging with the community which is supporting the platform. Putting the people who put the work in at the back of the queue isn't a good idea. On Jan 5, 10:12 pm, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Wayne Wenthin wrote: > > This is true. But the phones are being overnighted to people starting > > today. They have been "Dogfooding" it for a few weeks. Why are the > > "Developers" the last to see it? If this breaks apps, which it is certain > > to do, they are just further infuriating the Developers that are trying to > > make this a great platform. If they continue I may just break down and buy > > a Mac. At least with Apple you know where you stand... Generally under the > > foot of Jobs but at least you know it. > > While I will not argue that we need to be better about getting SDKs out > earlier, for developers the changes in 2.1 are really not that significant. > Pretty much all of the stuff (little that it was) that could impact > existing applications is already in 2.0.1. 2.1 adds some new APIs for > things like Live Wallpapers, but a little delay in being able to use those > won't harm anyone. > > If it helps, 2.0.1 is actually a branch off of the 2.1 development with > various fixes from 2.0 that we desired for a maintenance release for Droid, > and the new APIs hidden because they weren't quite ready to be supported > yet. Almost all of the work from 2.0.1 to 2.1 was related to new features > appearing on Nexus One. > > -- > Dianne Hackborn > Android framework engineer > hack...@android.com > > Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to > provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such > questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and > answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Nexus 2.1 one sale, WHERE is the SDK!
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Wayne Wenthin wrote: > This is true. But the phones are being overnighted to people starting > today. They have been "Dogfooding" it for a few weeks. Why are the > "Developers" the last to see it?If this breaks apps, which it is certain > to do, they are just further infuriating the Developers that are trying to > make this a great platform. If they continue I may just break down and buy > a Mac. At least with Apple you know where you stand... Generally under the > foot of Jobs but at least you know it. > While I will not argue that we need to be better about getting SDKs out earlier, for developers the changes in 2.1 are really not that significant. Pretty much all of the stuff (little that it was) that could impact existing applications is already in 2.0.1. 2.1 adds some new APIs for things like Live Wallpapers, but a little delay in being able to use those won't harm anyone. If it helps, 2.0.1 is actually a branch off of the 2.1 development with various fixes from 2.0 that we desired for a maintenance release for Droid, and the new APIs hidden because they weren't quite ready to be supported yet. Almost all of the work from 2.0.1 to 2.1 was related to new features appearing on Nexus One. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Nexus 2.1 one sale, WHERE is the SDK!
This is true. But the phones are being overnighted to people starting today. They have been "Dogfooding" it for a few weeks. Why are the "Developers" the last to see it?If this breaks apps, which it is certain to do, they are just further infuriating the Developers that are trying to make this a great platform. If they continue I may just break down and buy a Mac. At least with Apple you know where you stand... Generally under the foot of Jobs but at least you know it. On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:31 PM, MrChaz wrote: > From the Q&A > > Jason Chen: > Q: Why was it necessary for Google to design the phone? Why couldn’t > it just be an HTC phone running the new flavor of Android? And will > these new features becoming to Droid? > A: It’s inaccurate to say Google designed the phone (points to HTC > CEO). [Google] is just merchandising it online. Everybody will get 2.1 > when it’s open source, within a couple of days > > To me that implies the SDK will be coming in a couple of days. > > On Jan 5, 8:10 pm, pcm2a wrote: > > These phones are on sale with 2.1 Os on them right now. My friend > > just ordered two with overnight shipping. > > > > How is it even remotely acceptable that people will have 2.1 in their > > hands before developers even get to touch the SDK? I already have > > users using the Nexis-Droid 2.1 rom saying that my highly used widget > > doesn't work. How am I supposed to test this out in advance without > > hacking our phone all up? > > > > All this does is frustrate users when apps don't work and further > > degrades the market with 1 stars because developers don't have a > > chance to update their code. > > > > Thanks google > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Android Developers" group. > To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en > -- Writing code is one of few things that teaches me I don't know everything. Join the Closed Beta of Call Girl Manager http://www.fuligin.com/forums -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Nexus 2.1 one sale, WHERE is the SDK!
This is good news! > > To me that implies the SDK will be coming in a couple of days. > > On Jan 5, 8:10 pm, pcm2a wrote: > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Nexus 2.1 one sale, WHERE is the SDK!
>From the Q&A Jason Chen: Q: Why was it necessary for Google to design the phone? Why couldn’t it just be an HTC phone running the new flavor of Android? And will these new features becoming to Droid? A: It’s inaccurate to say Google designed the phone (points to HTC CEO). [Google] is just merchandising it online. Everybody will get 2.1 when it’s open source, within a couple of days To me that implies the SDK will be coming in a couple of days. On Jan 5, 8:10 pm, pcm2a wrote: > These phones are on sale with 2.1 Os on them right now. My friend > just ordered two with overnight shipping. > > How is it even remotely acceptable that people will have 2.1 in their > hands before developers even get to touch the SDK? I already have > users using the Nexis-Droid 2.1 rom saying that my highly used widget > doesn't work. How am I supposed to test this out in advance without > hacking our phone all up? > > All this does is frustrate users when apps don't work and further > degrades the market with 1 stars because developers don't have a > chance to update their code. > > Thanks google -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
