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On Mar 30, 2007, at 7:32 AM, Ed Fackler wrote: I'd rate its fresh eating flavor as goodnot great. ed But you like sweet apples, Ed, and Liberty is a tart apple. If you rate it as good, it must be a pretty good-tasting tart apple. (I like tart apples, and I'd rate most of your

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Ed makes a great point about Cedar Apple Rust, which I overlooked in my note. CAR devastates some otherwise fine apples here in NE Iowa (including, oddly enough many released by the U of Minnesota over the years - guess they weren't thinking about SE Minnesota in their breeding); Liberty doesn

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Jon: We grew Liberty for many years in So. Indiana on MM111, and various interstems (including M9, B9 and P2) where it matured in early September. It was annually productive, color was adequate (much better than most all strains of McIntosh which is a near total disaster in Zone 6). When ade

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In further defense of Liberty, it is a cool-climate apple like McIntosh, hence does best where McIntosh grows and colors best. (Although I have seen some very nice Liberty from northern NJ.) Yes, it will be small unless thinned adequately but responds to BA applications during the thinning

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eating it. -Original Message- From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2007 16:05 To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Time article (More on same) Bill: Do you have a spr

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ore energy to make its journey, than the final consumer is getting by eating it. -Original Message- From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2007 16:05 To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Time art

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Bill, First a caveat: I am not a professional grower, so my standards probably differ from those who have to sell apples for a living. I have Liberty on Bud9, and MM111/M9 interstems. I use most of my crop for drying - Liberty's texture in the ten days or so before it is truly ripe is firm

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Yes, and that may contribute to lack of resistance development. Bill Bill: Do you have a spray program controlling scab on other varieties?

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and pear, whether it is natural of GMO. Chris Doll -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Sent: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 8:57 AM Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Time article (More on same) Gary I'm not aware of apple scab resistance having developed ag

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: Gary Mount [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 28 mars 2007 15:55 À : Apple-Crop Objet : Re: Apple-Crop: Time article (More on same) There have been several postings about Vf resistant scab being a possibility since most resistant varieties share this gene. However, these varieties hav

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"Bill Shoemaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Apple-Crop" Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 7:05 AM Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Time article (More on same) Steve I've been growing Liberty and Pristine for about 10 years on B9 for evaluation in northern Illinois. It's ta

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resistance that would save it from what happened to Baldwin or Bramley? Gary Mount, Grower Princeton, NJ - Original Message - From: "Bill Shoemaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Apple-Crop" Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 7:05 AM Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Time articl

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Steve I've been growing Liberty and Pristine for about 10 years on B9 for evaluation in northern Illinois. It's taken awhile to appreciate them. But last year we had a very nice crop of Pristine. For the first time, I really enjoyed them. Flavor was great, flesh color and texture were very goo

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March 2007 21:13 To: Apple-Crop Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Time article (More on same) >Heirloom apples are, in my opinion (at one time I was growing over >1000 varieties), both over-rated and under-rated. Over-rated, >because many of them simply were not particularly adaptable. They &g

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Heirloom apples are, in my opinion (at one time I was growing over 1000 varieties), both over-rated and under-rated. Over-rated, because many of them simply were not particularly adaptable. They worked well in some particular region or use, but were quite awful when moved to different condi

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Do triploid apple varieties have any increased level of disease resistance? Sometimes multi-ploidy (polyploidy? superploidy?... whatever) is related to pest resistance in plants, right? I guess in apples, if it exists, it would be rather accidental, I mean nobody was exactly breeding for such trai

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The interaction between host and pathogen, for example, between apple and scab, is a two-way street. Heavy planting of any one cultivar puts tremendous selection pressure on the pathogen, particularly if the only way it can survive is to infect a host. We don't really understand all the ins

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lity, but in marketing and public acceptance. Daryl Hunter Keswick Ridge NB Canada - Original Message - From: "Arthur Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Apple-Crop" Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Time article (More on same) Cert

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Certainly in New England at this time, Baldwin is very close to scab immune. But not all trees described as Baldwin are necessarily genetically the same. Yes, the organic apples grown in eastern Europe or western Asia would not meet American standards for appearance or other qualities, althoug

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Mo, you're right about the breeding programs attempting to develop resistant varieties, but I'm not sure they've done it. Some history: up until the last part of the 1800's, with rare exceptions, the varieties of apples grown commercially were from chance seedlings. It was common in the ear

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I would be very interested in hearing when apple breeding has ever had as robust a direction towards the reduction in chemical dependancy as we have seen in the past several decades. Maurice is right. The effort to develop disease resistant apples has been greater in recent years than ever

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Authur if your co-workers were sickened by Guthion then it was not being applied properly or the worker was ignoring the use of PPE because he didn't want to ware it. The statement about alar shows how truly stupid people can be. Alar was a great product for us in the south. We used it one t

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gt; >> bred for chemical dependency..."! Sounds like you see a conspiracy > >> involving multinational chemical corporations. I hope you're not > >> serious. > >> > >> Mark Evans, grower > >> Frankfort, MI > >> > >>

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d.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kurt Alstede Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 12:32 PM To: 'Apple-Crop' Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: Time article (More on same) Hello Fellow Growers, Our conversation has been wide ranging since its inception when we discussed the benefit of locally produc

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ehalf Of Kurt Alstede > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 12:32 PM > To: 'Apple-Crop' > Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: Time article (More on same) > > > Hello Fellow Growers, > > Our conversation has been wide ranging since its inception when we discussed > the benefit of

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k Evans, grower Frankfort, MI -Original Message- From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kurt Alstede Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 12:32 PM To: 'Apple-Crop' Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: Time article (More on same) Hello Fellow Growers, Our conversat

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tede > General Manager > Alstede Farms, LLC > P. O. Box 278 > Chester, New Jersey 07930 > United States of America > > Tel. 908-879-7189 > > > > -Original Message- > From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Arthur Harvey Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 5:35 PM To: Apple-Crop Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: Time article (More on same) I wouldn't advocate always following intuition. We also have brains to integrate our experience and reason with intuition. But when faced with

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I wouldn't advocate always following intuition. We also have brains to integrate our experience and reason with intuition. But when faced with extravagant claims by GMO people, that there is little or no risk---well, intuition can be useful here. As for organic food tasting better---if it d

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Daryl Hunter Keswick Ridge NB Canada - Original Message - From: "Philip Smith" <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Apple-Crop" <<mailto:apple-crop@virtualorchard.net>apple-crop@virtualorchard.net> Sent: Saturday, March 1

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Arthur, In fact, I buy organic for two reasons: 1. The local coop where I buy most of the food I buy, preferentially stocks organic. 2. The local growers whose overall approach to horticulturea and agriculture I most admire have chose to be organic certified. I choose the coop because I adm

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tton insect pests in two countries that are even harder to control than ever before. Daryl Hunter Keswick Ridge NB Canada - Original Message - From: "Philip Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Apple-Crop" Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 2:04 PM Subject: Re: A

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one chooses to believe. Philip Smith - Original Message - From: "Arthur Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Apple-Crop" Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:21 AM Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: Time article (More on same) Well, I share the reason you have elicited from vario

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Well, I share the reason you have elicited from various people as to why they buy organic---I think it's healthier. In a similar way, I avoid foods that smell bad, even without scientific proof that they are poisonous. And even though some bad-smelling foods are actually ok. So when someone s

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environmental damage that may arise unless they > >were proven to be negligent. As a result, either damage will not be > >repaired or the state will have to pay. > >To conclude: > >The arguments and list of topics that warrant argument will go on. > >But GM crops advocat

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e negligent. As a result, either damage will not be > >repaired or the state will have to pay. > >To conclude: > >The arguments and list of topics that warrant argument will go on. > >But GM crops advocates are not the only ones who have science on > >their

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OTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Demuth Sent: 12 March 2007 02:37 To: Apple-Crop Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: Time article Arthur, "Silliness" was a poor word choice on my part. It conveys nothing except an derision of it's object. I apologize. To be more precise, what I object to in the tra

Re: Apple-Crop: Time article and herbicide strategy

le- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Philip Smith Sent: 14 March 2007 21:30 To: Apple-Crop Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Time article Such as?? - Original Message - From: robert To: Apple-Crop Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 2:28 PM Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Time article Sustainability means looking tha

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I agree with you Kenny and sympathize as I watch the farm families I've served for 25 years grow frustrated at the mounting challenges to farming that seem to have little to do with growing crops. Many have a younger generation that want nothing to do with farming, for the reasons you cite. I'm

Re: Apple-Crop: Time article and herbicide strategy

I was talking more of a general perception of the farmer and farming in general. I would have liked to have heard the discussion in the late 50's as we in the United States basically regulated the exploration for new oil field's to nothing. There was plenty of oil in third world countries (

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at we live in. Con -Original Message- From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 March 2007 01:52 To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Time article (More on same) You do know that DDT is being looked at very ha

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You do know that DDT is being looked at very hard as the best product to use in third world countries for the control of malaria. This idea is being promoted by even papers such as the new york times. the only way that agriculture will have a chance is for farmers to be considered businessme

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time in getting patent income. At least the lawyers are doing well out of GM. Con Traas -Original Message- From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Demuth Sent: 12 March 2007 02:37 To: Apple-Crop Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: Time article Arthur, &qu

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ot; business. I''m not sure if it means something practical or if it's just a feel-good concept. Philip Smith - Original Message - From: Bill Shoemaker To: Apple-Crop Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Time article Con L

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- Original Message - From: Con.Traas To: Apple-Crop Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 4:48 AM Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: Time article Hello Kurt, I never thought about it much, but definitely prefer the word sustainable to unsustainable. I run an orchard, and it is economically viable

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t of GM. Con Traas -Original Message- From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Demuth Sent: 12 March 2007 02:37 To: Apple-Crop Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: Time article Arthur, "Silliness" was a poor word choice on my part. It conveys no

Re: Apple-Crop: Time article (and sustainability)

Mark In two words... Low prices. Harold Schooley Simcoe, Ontario - Original Message - From: Mark Hubbard To: Apple-Crop Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 1:42 PM Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: Time article (and sustainability) The word sustainable is intended to mean production

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@virtualorchard.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kurt Alstede Sent: 13 March 2007 13:21 To: 'Apple-Crop' Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: Time article Growers, Does anyone else disdain the word "sustainable" as much as I do? Setting aside the USDA definition, I cannot help but have a mind

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's probably a function of how deep the snow is in the orchard) alan surprenant brook farm orchardashfield, massachusetts From: Arthur Harvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Apple-Crop" To: Apple-Crop Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: Time article Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 1

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n directly involved in fruit production since much of the current debate developed. Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Alstede Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 8:21 AM To: 'Apple-Crop' Sub

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lstede General Manager Alstede Farms, LLC P. O. Box 278 Chester, New Jersey 07930 United States of America Tel. 908-879-7189 From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of alan surprenant Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 8:16 PM To: apple-crop@virtualorch

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obably a function of how deep the snow is in the orchard) alan surprenant brook farm orchardashfield, massachusetts - From: Arthur Harvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Apple-Crop" To: Apple-Crop Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: Time arti

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hey Alan it was 70 degrees and the greens were pretty fast. If you will watch most of the very important or most complex issues they start to evolve at the time our work load starts to increase and in my area come to a head about the end of August to the first of October. Some would think th

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hey alan it was 70 degrees ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

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sed to trusting our future business growth to a> > >bureaucratic regulatory certification program.  Indeed, as growers we must> > >always endeavor to do our job correctly in order to produce safe and> > >nutritious food, but it is the personal relationship that people really

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:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Demuth Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:23 PM To: Apple-Crop Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: Time article Kurt, I actually agree with you that you, and other farmers, are probably better served by the personal relationship than they would be by certification alone

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Well, the Organic Foods Production Act of 1990 says "unless otherwise provided" that synthetic chemicals are banned. But then it goes on to provide criteria for allowed synthetics in farming, and there is quite a list of such allowed materials. So it is not a blanket prohibition, but a very

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t; >the retail farm market consumer spending share that is being aggressively > >sought after by the box stores and supermarkets. > > > > > >Kurt W. Alstede > >General Manager > >Alstede Farms, LLC > >P. O. Box 278 > >Chester, New Jersey 07930 >

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I am sorry about that sent one line. Me or my computer had a problem. As discussed our program is sulfur et. al. for fungicides and mating disruption, entrust and surround for insects. The two holes were fertilizer and weed control. We found an organic fertilize and some weed control, however

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riginal Message- From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:apple- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Demuth Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:34 PM To: Apple-Crop Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: Time article People often do trust things they are familiar with. Unfortunately, they do this with

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As a grower in the southeast I have worked with Dr. Sutton and Dr Walgenbach for 3 years on a small (4 acre) trial in growing organic. ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

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box stores and supermarkets. > > > > > >Kurt W. Alstede > >General Manager > >Alstede Farms, LLC > >P. O. Box 278 > >Chester, New Jersey 07930 > >United States of America > > > >Tel. 908-879-7189 > > > > > > > > >

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---Original Message- From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Demuth Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:34 PM To: Apple-Crop Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: Time article People often do trust things they are familiar with. Unfortunately, they do this without much analys

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nited States of America Tel. 908-879-7189 -Original Message- From: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Demuth Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:34 PM To: Apple-Crop Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: Time article People often do trust things they ar

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People often do trust things they are familiar with. Unfortunately, they do this without much analysis of whether this is wise. That people trust locally grown and marketed produce says nothing whatsoever about the nutritional, economic or ecological bona fides of such product. That can only

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Hello Jon, You are right on as was the Time Article. In the final analysis, people trust the face and the person that they can see and touch...their local farmer. We have seen this to be the case in all of our direct marketing and have cultivated it in all of our advertising and marketing effort

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