On 15/06/07, Ian Betteridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pro-am's can do great work (and can
graduate to doing it as professionals), but that's not the same as saying
the man in the street can walk in and be a top photographer, which is what
was stated earlier. It takes a long time to get that
On 13/06/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 13/06/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
entirely). And that's why DRM discussion will just go round in circles
until someone comes along which exhibits a demonstrable downside,
which is both immediately explainable and
On 13/06/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 13/06/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
entirely). And that's why DRM discussion will just go round in circles
until someone comes along which exhibits a demonstrable downside,
which is both immediately explainable and
Good debate :-)
On 13/06/07, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So where is the balance?
I believe you're referring to the commonly-held misconception that
there is a copyright balance.
No, not copyright balance. Economic balance.
Apologies for misunderstanding you there :-)
Or
Hi Jeremy!
On 13/06/07, Jeremy Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hang on a minute. Didn't i make a plea yesterday not to resurrect this tired
old debate.
Thanks for posting these blog comments on this topic - appreciated!
This debate is not tired or old, and is going to continue in a public
On 14/06/07, Ian Betteridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The market tells me you're wrong: because people
still pay for content, a huge amount of it.
The people who pay for content production are advertisers. They are
becoming more interested in placing ads on digital files than in
printed media,
On 15/06/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Your name and logo's would still be covered by Trademark and similar
protections. Misrepresenting the source of a good is surely illegal
isn't it?
Oh - so visual intellectual property is fine, but recorded isn't?
Trademark law is
On 16/06/07, Kim Plowright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 15/06/07, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It takes people outside the media-land as you put it because the
people inside are too ignorant of technology to understand it.
Please be aware that your statements in this email can be read as a
On 15/06/07, Ian Betteridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you want to win over content creators *show* them how they can make as
much money through sharing as they can make from restricting sharing.
This is like arguing that a dictator will start free elections if it
can be down the economy
On 18/06/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thankfully we don't have an equivilent of the American DCMA so the media
centre hackers have nothing to fear.
Sadly we do:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Copyright_Directive#Technological_measures
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On 19/06/07, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Backstage is intended, I thought, to be a
list for technical discussion of stuff from the BBC you can use for
building things. (ie stuff you can take and build things with, rather
than things you can't) It's not really the place (IMO) to ask
On 25/06/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 25/06/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could choice in this matter mean that iPlayer is available in one
configuration on a TV, and also through a cable set top box? One product.
Choice of methods.
If the iPlayer did that
Hi Jason!
On 15/06/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I really don't want to get back into this :-)
I think this is important, and I hope you do too. So thanks for
contributing to the debate :-)
DRM is wrong. Pretty much anything that stops the free flow of
information and ideas
Hi,
Another glimpse at the future of television:
http://www.rulecam.net/ted/
(Free software under MIT/X11 style licensing, although its depends on
proprietary Java :-(
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On 27/07/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sun opened Java a while ago:
http://www.sun.com/2006-1113/feature/
it's free now.
Sun announced an intention to release Java under GPLv2.
It is not free now.
http://java.sun.com/javase/6/webnotes/README.html
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On 29/07/07, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 27 July 2007 19:03, Dave Crossland wrote:
Sun announced an intention to release Java under GPLv2.
http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/
Roadmap. What are the remaining key steps that Sun and the OpenJDK
community
On 30/07/07, Jeremy Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From time to time there has been (mostly around iPlayer) some strong
criticism of how the BBC develops products. That's good.
http://www.defectivebydesign.org/blog/BBCcorrupted
August 14th seems like a date for the diary :-)
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On 31/07/07, Otu Ekanem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
isn't
unreasonable to think that that percentage, like me, will open this
particular thread expecting something related to our antiquated albeit
better than none transport system: The London Underground.
Otu, that's a fair point; I was
On 31/07/07, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 31 July 2007 19:50, Dave Crossland wrote:
There are efforts to make unauthorised sharing of television as easy
as possible though, such as http://www.rulecam.net/ted/ and this makes
a mockery of highly restricted systems
On 01/08/07, Paul Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are times when I
think that the Linux community expects everything for nothing, and if it's
not forthcoming that a company is either stupid or short sighted or
similar.
No, the software freedom movement doesn't expect anything for
On 01/08/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not advocating eye patches and peg legs here, but personally I don't see
a moral difference between getting something that's available on demand free
from iPlayer via other means. That could be a PVR, or it could be getting it
from a
On 01/08/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 01/08/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 01/08/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not advocating eye patches and peg legs here, but personally I don't
see
a moral difference between getting something that's
Hi Folks,
Not seen mention of it in her yet, so those those interested in the
on-going iPlayer controversy, the Free Software Foundation's Defective
By Design campaign is holding a protest outside the BBC Television
Center in White City tomorrow at 10:30AM.
Read all about it at
On 13/08/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And we'll be out there - backstage tshirts on hand, and doing some
interviews.
Cool! :-)
But why is it happening outside TVC? I'm sure it's already been said
elsewhere but... FMT are in the Broadcast Centre, 1/2 mile up the road?
I
On 13/08/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm wondering if the police will be able to continue protecting us from
terrorwrists if they have to police an iPlayer DRM demo?
Yeah dude, its going to turn violent, for sure.
lol
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On 14/08/07, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ian Forrester wrote:
Yep we were there along with about another 20 people.
So were they making a point or trying to make a difference?
I believe the additional media coverage of the unconscionable
restrictions in the iPlayer will make a
On 15/08/07, Paul Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Dave,
Who is Dan Lyons?
A journalist for Forbes who has constantly attacked the software
freedom movement.
What is a shill?
A shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services or a
political group, who pretends no association
On 14/08/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The irony is that it probably doesn't matter now. They could now download it
using their Windows XP machine in DRMed Windows Media Format.
All thanks to our new overlord Bill, and his maniacal scheme to take over
the BBC from the inside.
On 16/08/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seems the anti-DRM protests are misdirected. Why is the yellow jump-suit
brigade talking to the people who actually have the power to change it? The
rights holders.
The BBC is being very sneaky about responsibility for the DRM:
It doesn't
On 16/08/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does iPlayer contain Silverlight? I've not seen anything to suggest it does.
It might not today, but its very clear what Microsoft's web-video strategy is.
There was an article in The Register today about this:
On 17/09/2007, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a theory that PC users like to customise more that Mac and Linux
users
Given the amount of skins for GNU/Linux users' desktops, such as on
kde-look.org and gnome-look.org, thats an interesting statement. Apple
disapproves of
On 21/09/2007, George Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Flickr isn't a substitute for professional photo libraries just yet, you know.
We drive into the future using only our rearview mirror.
-- Marshall McLuhan
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On 05/10/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So move there, if you want as many advantages as you can possibly make
for your startup.
But you can find a sharp circle of friends who are into this stuff
pretty much anywhere, and if they are sharp enough - Jaiku (finland)
and Placez
On 05/10/2007, Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Paul Graham this morning said you should move to silicon valley if your
serious about this stuff or at least its an advantage.
Paul wrote some related thoughts in HP (or an essay on his site from
04/05) comparing Boston to the Valley, so
On 16/10/2007, Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Steve Jolly wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2007/10_october/16/adobe.shtml
I wonder if that means iPlayer is dropping the DRM to go YouTube style.
Sadly the GNU/Linux support mentioned is nothing of the sort,
On 16/10/2007, Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave Crossland wrote:
Sadly the GNU/Linux support mentioned is nothing of the sort, since
it will require Adobe's proprietary Flash player.
Depends - gnash now (allegedly, I haven't tried it) has the
functionality to support YouTube
On 29/10/2007, David McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* From the interview, it is clear that the reason that the current DRM
requirements exist is because rights-holders did not want the end-user the to
be
able to redistribute content to others
Asking people to agree not share with friends
On 30/10/2007, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 30/10/2007, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/29/07, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 29 October 2007 18:47, Dave Crossland wrote:
...
Asking people to agree not share with friends and betray
On 30/10/2007, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Morally, I have no problem with people knocking up mix tapes, samplers etc
to give to their mates.
...
Unless the creator of a work specifically grants you the right to copy that
work, you don't have that right.
End of.
This is
On 30/10/2007, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave doesn't mean sharing. Dave means stealing and redistributing
for free. When he says sharing, Dave always means stealing. Dave wants
everything for nothing.
This is simply untrue: non-commercial redistribution allow
On 31/10/2007, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
your unalterable right to copy what you
want, when you want. You don't say you should be able to make limited
'fair use' copies for... - no, you repeatedly state that it's your right to
do anything you want with any creative material,
On 31/10/2007, Deirdre Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
File sharing between friends is essential for friendship
???
I'll try again:
File sharing is an definitive part of friendship in the 21st century,
in parts of the world with high density access to computers.
Example: Your friend sends
On 31/10/2007, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
for example, you could / can perform the above social discourse with
something Joost-esque,
What happens when Joost discontinues that service or goes bust? This
has already happened with one online DRM video service, Google Video.
I first
On 31/10/2007, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes there is Open source DRM, but if we choose some open
source DRM, honestly would we all be happy? Remember DRM is
DRM in any form.
I'd be happy with DRM licensed under the GPLv3, because of part 3:
--- 8 ---
3. Protecting Users' Legal
Hi Tom!
On 31/10/2007, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FWIW I think it's a more powerful argument to state that the value of
a recording per-se is now tending towards zero, digital tech having
removed scarcity from much of the value chain.
The business models which recognise
On 31/10/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But I'm on a public mailing list, chatting away about something
on-topic. I don't see
how the additional claim invalidates the first one. (oops)
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On 31/10/2007, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/31/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sharing artistic works between friends is one of the central tenets of
friendship. Ask anyone under 20 if they've got a laptop, and if they
do, if they have copies of music from
On 01/11/2007, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sharing artistic works between friends is one of the central tenets of
friendship. Ask anyone under 20 if they've got a laptop, and if they
do, if they have copies of music from their friends. Its almost
certain that they
On 01/11/2007, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is this not what would happen with iPlayer? Hello Jim, I enjoyed Spooks on
iPlayer last night, Really Jason? I'll go and watch that on my iPlayer,
cable catchup, or whatever without the hassle of cracking the DRM out of the
WMV file and
On 06/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To my mind, the whole Linux-users debate is a clever way of missing the
whole blooming point.
I broadly agree, although I think the point is that popularity is
unimportant while principle - ie, the principle that software
developers
On 09/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- an alternative electronic programme guide
By alternative, do you mean user-generated, so when there's some
low quality programming people can , ahem, express their opinions?
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This email is personal opinion and doesn't
On 09/11/2007, Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, for example, in the EPG, you could ask to have rottentomato.com
votes for upcoming movies incorporated, which would require the
box to be able to: a) grab those ratings, and b) correlate them
with the EPG entries without c) the EPG
On 14/11/2007, Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Will Skype be talking about VOIP interoperability? ;-)
That would certainly of interest to me. :-)
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PROTECTED]Date: 19 Nov 2007 11:26Subject: [Fsfe-uk] Interview: Ashley
Highfield on BBC's DRM'd iPlayerTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There's a good interview on Groklaw with the head of the BBC
divisionresponsible for the DRM'd
On 19/11/2007, Nick Reynolds-AMi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also you can
comment here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2007/11/groklaw_interview.html
Good point :-)
Ashley said, Well, they started from the principle of, We just don'tknow the
way this market is going to develop. We don't
On 19/11/2007, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Somebody has kindly corrected me off-list with regards to the 'trial' of
podcasts
the iplayer PVT gave us regulatory permission to do non drm audio downloads
in April
Awesome - now we just need the BBC to do non-patent encumbered
On 19/11/2007, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
avehaveyouanyideahowdifficultitistoreadyouremailsthey
lookquiteinterestingbutthelackofformattingandgeneral
runningtogetherrreallymakeslifedifficultforsomeofuson
thelistDavid
lol, I do apologise and hope this is better (CAPS EMPHASIS mine)
On 19/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave,
If the BBC podcasts are first prepared as PCM-encoded WAV files before being
translated to the site, providing OggVobis version shouldn't be a problem,
surely?
The technical problems around providing OggVorbis version are the
On 19/11/2007, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 19/11/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Awesome - now we just need the BBC to do non-patent encumbered audio
What? Software became patentable in the UK, damn I missed that one.
Software idea patents in some countries harm users
On 19/11/2007, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 19 November 2007 17:31:26 Andy wrote:
What? Software became patentable in the UK, damn I missed that one.
Yes, software gets patented in Europe, including the UK, and has been for
many years. For software to be patentable it
On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music
for free, forever, at the point of delivery, to anyone, regardless of
whether they had paid their Licence Fee or lived in the UK, *still*
wasn't going to be good enough
On 19/11/2007, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 19 November 2007 20:13:27 Dave Crossland wrote:
Yes, its important to avoid the confusing term intellectual property
and consider the laws that are grouped in that term on their own,
since their purposes and details
On 20/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music
for free, forever, at the point of delivery, to anyone, regardless of
whether they had paid their Licence Fee
On 20/11/2007, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 19, 2007 10:08 PM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music
for free, forever, at the point of delivery
On 20/11/2007, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, this is a discussion list for anyone keen to build interesting new
prototypes or proofs of concept with BBC content, so I assumed some
development knowledge.
I have some, but I'm not able to do that project myself. Its a good
idea
On 20/11/2007, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In Davetopia everything is black and white -
popular = bad. In the real world, things are less clear cut. Popular has
no place on the scale between good and bad.
I'm glad to hear you are thinking about good and bad ;-)
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On 20/11/2007, Tim Dobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
p.s. Kudos for using GNU/Linux though! At least *that* bit of
terminology is correct.
Absolutely - giving credit to the GNU project for working tirelessly
to create a free operating system since 1984 is important.
Whoever is responsible for
On 20/11/2007, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
MS free at home for 4 years now :)
I hope one day you'll be free of all proprietary software :-)
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On 20/11/2007, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why should I refer to my Ubuntu machine as GNU/Llinux? rather
than just Ubuntu or just Linux?
Ubuntu is a distributor of free software - the GNU operating system,
the Linux kernel, and many other parts. When you combine the GNU
operating
On 20/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is kind of the figures I was expecting. Just to be clear here,
the way I see it is that if the BBC stands up and says we believe in
libre not gratis, so we don't want anything to do with software
or codecs that involve patents, pretty
On 21/11/2007, Tristan Ferne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't actually remember where this started
Perhaps you can turn on threaded view in your email program (or use
a free software one like Thunderbird that has such a feature, if yours
doesn't)
Eg,
On 21/11/2007, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave Crossland wrote:
On 20/11/2007, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
MS free at home for 4 years now :)
I hope one day you'll be free of all proprietary software :-)
My BIOSes are closed source.
Yes, proprietary BIOS software
Hi All,
Is anyone interested in going to
http://www.aspirationtech.org/events/opentranslation ?
I had my bag stolen at a large London web development event back in
June, and I've just realised I had my passport in that bag. (Yes, I
know.) Its not possible to get a passport reissued within 7 days
On 21/11/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is anyone interested in going to
http://www.aspirationtech.org/events/opentranslation ?
...
Its not possible to
get a passport reissued within 7 days any more, so I'm not going.
I got a same-day passport service when I went
On 22/11/2007, Michael Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's not a direct answer from the man himself and It's obviously not BBC
policy but:
James Cridland, now Head of Future Media Technology, BBC Audio Music
Interactive, wrote to this mailing list in February whilst he was still with
On 26/11/2007, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personally, I'd prefer an XML API for most things like this... no worrying
about porting it to your platform of choice, less/no hardware cost, probably
(maybe) faster, less maintenance etc.
No worrying about freedom, either, though...
On 26/11/2007, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You have complete freedom - you can go and use someone else's API
That's the point - using web APIs is giving up your software freedom,
because you are getting someone else to do your computation; you have
no way of studying,
On 26/11/2007, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's such dogma which gets you described by otherwise pretty measured
civil servants and MPs as 'The Copyleft Taliban'
lol
Do you have a reference for that? :-)
http://www.vivisimo.com/search?query=%22copyleft+taliban%22
On 27/11/2007, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are Dave
Crossland in a different hat, and I claim my five pounds.
We are different people; that £5 belongs to me.
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On 27/11/2007, Billy Abbott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Noah Slater wrote:
but what happens when
That's the reason why having open APIs that multiple sites conform to
strikes me as an excellent idea - if your provider of choice does up and
go away you can just switch the
On 27/11/2007, Fearghas McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My fourth suggestion would be that perhaps the discussion you want to
have is not on topic for a list. As such continuing the discussion you
want to have may be off topic for most list members.
As to whether this list is an advocacy list
On 27/11/2007, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 26 November 2007 20:20:30 Dave Crossland wrote:
That's the point - using web APIs is giving up your software freedom,
because you are getting someone else to do your computation; you have
no way of studying, understanding
On 27/11/2007, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On this list the noise is the signal and you are invited to use filters.
Noise. Note noise. Not Shouting.
I THINK WE ARE HAVING A JOLLY OLD TIME DEBATING THE MERITS OF SOFTWARE
FREEDOM, AND THAT THERE WILL NEVER BE AN END TO IT IS
On 27/11/2007, Billy Abbott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is naieve to think that a choice of providers will have identical
functionality.
I wasn't clear - I meant common open APIs, ie. the same API with different
vendors behind it. That way they will offer very similar levels of
On 27/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sure, and I'm suggesting that a common API will be a base that each
gatekeeper will add bespoke features too. I'll be surprised if similar
services offered with a common open API from Google and Yahoo and
Microsoft do not have any
is where I saw this
news) might be interested in it too.
They are, yes, it came up on the Sugar (the OLPC interface) list a few days ago.
Dave (Crossland), you know about fonts, I believe?
I'm doing the MA Typeface Design programme at the University of
Reading at the moment, so I ought to in a years
On 28/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Whilst were are at it, every room in the Houses of Parliament
should be on CCTV, transmitted online 24 hours a day. And
Number 10. And all the Ministry's.
This is _so_ unlikely, because a lot of politicians are (and I mean
this in a
On 29/11/2007, Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm looking forward to hearing Dave Crossland and
others win the hearts and minds of the tipsy crowd with a breathtaking
speech for why any non-Free software is wrong.
lol!
I'm not sure I can make it, but I hope so - speakers corner
On 4 Dec 2007, at 01:40, Mr I Forrester wrote:
Quick note to say it was not promised, we talked about it but never
promised. We licenced it under a creative commons non-commercial
attribution licence
At the http://www.aspirationtech.org/events/opentranslation conference
it became clear that
On 04/12/2007, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I expect the BBC will use an in house licence to fit it's needs as set out
in the charter.
I strongly hope that the BBC will not contribute to the problem of
license proliferation.
As an aside I still don't understand the need for GPLv3,
On 04/12/2007, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Delighted to let you know that after discussion with my team, we *will* be
making Perl on Rails (we'll call it something different) open-source.
Awesome!
Thanks James! :-)
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On 06/12/2007, Rhys Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
People sometimes say that a particular TV programme makes the year's
license fee worth paying. For me, being able to use code developed by
the BBC does just that. Which reminds me about that excellent inhouse
term extractor you seem to have -
On 06/12/2007, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personally I believe (as you seemed to agree)
that code is an art form
I disagree totally. Code functions; it does stuff. There is a craft to
making code, and that can be compared to the craft of making artwork,
but artworks themselves do
On 06/12/2007, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or do we still need positive discrimination?
We need the GPLv3.
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On 06/12/2007, Deirdre Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hurray for freedom. I'm sure you'll appreciate that that kind of disdain for
users is not something the BBC is likely to go along with.
Sadly the BBC has disdain for users when it goes along with DRM.
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Dave
Personal opinion
On 06/12/2007, Matt Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thomas Leitch wrote:
You know if Godwin's first law was that as an online discussion grows
longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler
approaches one. Then his second law must state that for any Backstage
discussion
On 06/12/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The difference is that the BBC could drop the probability to zero by
not requiring the use of proprietary software...
Or by closing the list
The only result of that would be displacement.
Unsolicited user feedback is here to stay :-)
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On 08/12/2007, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Finally though, the single best (recent) contribution I've had is this I'm
still using your greylisting server, works great. People rarely post to
mailing lists saying something works.
Michael, thanks for this very interesting and
On 08/12/2007, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Aside from that, your point is, in my opinion, a good example of something
that directly impacts or should be impacted by section 87 paragraph 4 of the
charter agreement,
Please can you give a URL for the charter you refer to?
The one on
On 07/12/2007, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://pages.tvunetworks.com/index.html
P2P video streaming is very cool. Windows Media Player based products
are very proprietary. Avoid :-)
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Dave
Personal opinion only!
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