Re: CBLFS

2007-01-14 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Joe Ciccone wrote: Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: * pciutils-2.2.4: makes other packages fail to build from source, due to the change of the proper linker flags from -lpci to -lpci -lz. Definitely not for the book, but I won't downgrade this package on the CD. I've just been adding

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-14 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 1/11/07, Bruce Dubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the same manner, BLFS could put a note in the Preface saying that it is focused on Intel-32 bit architectures as is LFS and that other architectures are covered in CBLFS. I would like to see that. -- Dan -- http://linuxfromscratch.org

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-14 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 1/13/07, Joe Ciccone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * pciutils-2.2.4: makes other packages fail to build from source, due to the change of the proper linker flags from -lpci to -lpci -lz. Definitely not for the book, but I won't downgrade this package on the CD. I've just been adding

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-14 Thread Joe Ciccone
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: Joe Ciccone wrote: Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: * pciutils-2.2.4: makes other packages fail to build from source, due to the change of the proper linker flags from -lpci to -lpci -lz. Definitely not for the book, but I won't downgrade this package on

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-14 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Dan Nicholson wrote: Alexander, I don't recall seeing anything about xorg-server-1.1.1/Mesa-6.5.1 on the xorg list. Just the build fixes. Any further info? I was thinking about bumping both these guys up. I'm running xorg-server-1.1.1 and Mesa-6.5.1. I haven't done anything fancy with it yet,

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-14 Thread Ag. Hatzimanikas
On Thu, Jan 11, at 07:39 Randy McMurchy wrote: When folks fork a project, typically it is up front and center that it is forked code from another project. Typically, you don't have to scour through obscure pages (your license page which *nobody* will ever visit as an example) to find

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-14 Thread Joe Ciccone
Ag. Hatzimanikas wrote: With that in mind and it's the third time I am writing this(I hope the last one),I would like to see BCLFS to be officially a part of BLFS and its developers as BLFS developers. And that is a proposal. What the community has to say about this? CBLFS doesn't have

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-14 Thread Ag. Hatzimanikas
the community has to say about this? CBLFS doesn't have a fixed set of developers, It's really just a matter of navigating to the page you want, clicking edit at the top of the page, making your change, and hitting submit. So do you really agree with the wiki? I mean there is no credibility,you

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-14 Thread Randy McMurchy
Ag. Hatzimanikas wrote these words on 01/14/07 17:10 CST: And that is a proposal. What the community has to say about this? I don't have a clue who all the devs at CBLFS are. They all use some stage-names. I know there's Jim, Jeremy U and Joe. But after that, I have no idea. Here's what I

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-14 Thread Ag. Hatzimanikas
On Sun, Jan 14, at 05:23 Randy McMurchy wrote: Ag. Hatzimanikas wrote these words on 01/14/07 17:10 CST: And that is a proposal. What the community has to say about this? I don't have a clue who all the devs at CBLFS are. They all use some stage-names. I know there's Jim, Jeremy U

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-14 Thread Randy McMurchy
providing detail instructions and supporting text. It disappoints me that it is cut and pasted into a different project (I don't buy that crap about brother/sister/child/whatever you said) without even attribution. Nowhere in the CBLFS book could I find something such as: Special thanks go out

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-14 Thread Ag. Hatzimanikas
On Sun, Jan 14, at 05:36 Randy McMurchy wrote: Ag. Hatzimanikas wrote these words on 01/14/07 17:29 CST: Forgive me that I speak to you in public like so,but I know that you have a thick skin. Did you say something I should be offended or upset about? If so, I suppose I missed it. :-)

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-14 Thread Joe Ciccone
Ag. Hatzimanikas wrote: So do you really agree with the wiki? I mean there is no credibility,you have to have some. It's in the page history. That is enough for me. Look Joe,I don't see a f* reason why you and my friend ken,can't be a part of BLFS. I truly believe that. I

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-14 Thread Ag. Hatzimanikas
On Sun, Jan 14, at 05:53 Joe Ciccone wrote: Ag. Hatzimanikas wrote: So do you really agree with the wiki? I mean there is no credibility,you have to have some. It's in the page history. That is enough for me. I won't argue with you. I simple don't believe to the wiki

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-13 Thread Randy McMurchy
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote these words on 01/13/07 01:36 CST: Please keep in mind that the notes below are skewed in the sense that they recommend a change if it fixes a compatibility issue with LFS SVN (even if there is no problem with LFS-6.2). After re-reading your email I have further

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-13 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Randy McMurchy wrote: * Mesa-6.5.1, libdrm-2.0.2: Status: everybody seems to do this update on their own, but xorg-devel archives suggest that some patches to xorg-server-1.1.1 are needed beyond simple build fixes (and this part is not done on the CD). So, probably not for the book.

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-13 Thread Randy McMurchy
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote these words on 01/13/07 03:40 CST: Randy McMurchy wrote: You would be the one to do it. Please accept the request to join the team. Accepted Bruce, could could you please handle this at your earliest convenience? Additionally, please notify Alexander and this

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-13 Thread Ag. Hatzimanikas
On Σαβ, Ιαν 13, at 02:40 Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: * reiserfsprogs-3.6.19: fails to build with LFS SVN. Please install asm/unaligned.h with linux headers in LFS. Alexander, you are the man! Jump in and do what you think is best. This (as far as I understand, and as implemented

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-13 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Ag. Hatzimanikas wrote: 1. http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/patches/2006-October/003347.html Thanks, do you know any other package that breaks because of asm/unaligned.h? 2. http://lostclus.linux.kiev.ua/patches/all/vim70-langmapmb-4.patch Yes, I see how this can be useful. But there

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-13 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: 2. http://lostclus.linux.kiev.ua/patches/all/vim70-langmapmb-4.patch Yes, I see how this can be useful. But there are other vim patches with similar names there, what's the difference? What's the upstream status? According to

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-13 Thread Ag. Hatzimanikas
On Σαβ, Ιαν 13, at 03:30 Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: Ag. Hatzimanikas wrote: 1. http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/patches/2006-October/003347.html Thanks, do you know any other package that breaks because of asm/unaligned.h? I believe it's the only one. 2.

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-13 Thread Ag. Hatzimanikas
On Σαβ, Ιαν 13, at 03:38 Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: 2. http://lostclus.linux.kiev.ua/patches/all/vim70-langmapmb-4.patch Yes, I see how this can be useful. But there are other vim patches with similar names there, what's the difference? What's the

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-13 Thread Joe Ciccone
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: * Mesa-6.5.1, libdrm-2.0.2: Status: everybody seems to do this update on their own, but xorg-devel archives suggest that some patches to xorg-server-1.1.1 are needed beyond simple build fixes (and this part is not done on the CD). So, probably not for the

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-12 Thread Randy McMurchy
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote these words on 01/11/07 23:13 CST: The point is that the Vim-7.0 bug is trivial (just apply patches from the development LFS and pay attention to http://wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/ticket/1937), and already open for more than 6 months. This gives food to the

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-12 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Randy McMurchy wrote: If a regarded community member were to say I've installed it and it works as it is supposed to, that is good enough for me. Please keep in mind that the notes below are skewed in the sense that they recommend a change if it fixes a compatibility issue with LFS SVN (even

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-12 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: On the LFS LiveCD 6.2-4 and/or 6.3-pre1, the following beyond-planned-6.2.0 package updates are already done: I meant beyond-current-SVN, sorry. -- Alexander E. Patrakov -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ:

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-12 Thread Randy McMurchy
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote these words on 01/13/07 01:36 CST: Please keep in mind that the notes below are skewed in the sense that they recommend a change if it fixes a compatibility issue with LFS SVN (even if there is no problem with LFS-6.2). [snip a whole bunch] Alexander, your

CBLFS

2007-01-11 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, Noted on the CBLFS page is a note that says not to copy from the BLFS book as it may violate the copyright. But I can't help but notice that many of the descriptions, etc are copied directly from BLFS. Best I can tell, there is not even a mention that the CBLFS book is using material

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-11 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Randy McMurchy wrote: Hi all, Noted on the CBLFS page is a note that says not to copy from the BLFS book as it may violate the copyright. But I can't help but notice that many of the descriptions, etc are copied directly from BLFS. Best I can tell, there is not even a mention

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-11 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Randy McMurchy wrote: Hi all, Noted on the CBLFS page is a note that says not to copy from the BLFS book as it may violate the copyright. But I can't help but notice that many of the descriptions, etc are copied directly from BLFS. Best I can tell, there is not even a mention

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-11 Thread Bruce Dubbs
is appropriate and putting it into CBLFS. In fact, that is allowed by the license. I see the note: Please don't add information from BLFS. BLFS is copyrighted. To me that is not necessary. What I'd like to see is a note that BLFS and CBLFS are separate, but cooperating, projects and several (many

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-11 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Randy McMurchy wrote: Hi all, Noted on the CBLFS page is a note that says not to copy from the BLFS book as it may violate the copyright. But I can't help but notice that many of the descriptions, etc are copied directly from BLFS. A little off-topic: I thought it was a little funny

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-11 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jim Gifford wrote these words on 01/11/07 16:04 CST: Bruce, We are all part of LFS, the only reason I put in that notice was to let people know not to copy your material. Essentially we were told by BLFS that you would not support multilib and other architectures, we took care of it

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-11 Thread Jim Gifford
Randy McMurchy wrote: Jim Gifford wrote these words on 01/11/07 16:04 CST: Bruce, We are all part of LFS, the only reason I put in that notice was to let people know not to copy your material. Essentially we were told by BLFS that you would not support multilib and other

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-11 Thread Jim Gifford
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Randy McMurchy wrote: Hi all, Noted on the CBLFS page is a note that says not to copy from the BLFS book as it may violate the copyright. But I can't help but notice that many of the descriptions, etc are copied directly from BLFS. A little off-topic: I

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-11 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jim Gifford wrote these words on 01/11/07 16:48 CST: Randy, we already do. Jim, it is not worth haggling over. I simply mentioned this earlier as a matter of principle. Your attribution does not adhere to the BLFS license, but so what. If you don't want to give attribution to the BLFS team in

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-11 Thread Jim Gifford
Bruce Dubbs wrote: Jim, Randy's the lead now, but I can see some of your point, but not all. BLFS is a community effort too. I personally don't mind you taking whatever you think is appropriate and putting it into CBLFS. In fact, that is allowed by the license. No it's not. BLFS

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-11 Thread Jim Gifford
Randy McMurchy wrote: Jim Gifford wrote these words on 01/11/07 16:48 CST: Randy, we already do. Jim, it is not worth haggling over. I simply mentioned this earlier as a matter of principle. Your attribution does not adhere to the BLFS license, but so what. If you don't want to

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-11 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jim Gifford wrote these words on 01/11/07 19:19 CST: I want to understand what you want here. BLFS is part of LFS, we represent the LFS license and the BLFS license in our books saying that we are adapted from that. If you feel you need more representation, show me what you want. I

Re: CBLFS

2007-01-11 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Randy McMurchy wrote: Alexander E. Patrakov wrote these words on 01/11/07 11:04 CST: Everything else is just dead and, in the worst case, should be removed before 6.2.0. I am talking about the Vim page, too. I'm not sure what Alexander is driving at, but the Vim-7.0 update is tagged as