--- Ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For what it's worth, the Indian perspective is the
same as Dr. Brin's.
Clinton was the one American President who actually
managed to engage
the imagination of the Indian public and change the
public perception of
the US, the one who actually made us think
Gautam wrote:
Geez, Doug, don't elevate the stakes here. First (you
mentioned the draft, which I snipped, sorry) we
certainly don't need a draft to put another, say,
100,000 troops in Iraq (which would put us at about
250,000, which is where we need to be). It is within
the capacity of the US
Damon wrote:
How do we win that war, John? It's a war of
attrition that we're loosing
badly right now.
Somewhat inexact. Allied forces in all likelihood
outnumber the insurgents several times over, while
maintaining high kill ratios to casualties.
But the war in Iraq is not won with military
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
That's interesting. The story I've heard from people
I know in the Indian diplomatic service is exactly the
opposite.
Ah, but I was talking about the public perception. The IFS view is
certainly more pro-Bush. The politicos and the media are more or less
evenly
David wrote:
Maybe it's just me, but this answer strikes me as somehow
missing the point, or trying to be a smart-alek.
That's Alberto. 8^)
Allow me to restate John's question as a request: Please post more
information or a link to more information.
I'd be interested too, I am having trouble
--- Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's interesting. The story I've heard from
people
I know in the Indian diplomatic service is exactly
the
opposite. They felt completely ignored under
Clinton,
Now this is just absurd. BC initiated a major
campaign aimed at India upon
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't you see Iran being the big winner if we pull
out? What kind of
threat to the stability of the region would an
Iraq/Iran alliance be?
What if they formed a close relationship to the EU
and/or Russia? Will
they be a threat to the
--- Damon, apologies. I see you were setting up the
imbecility in Iraq, not defending it. You do seem
aware of Vietnam.
From the TokinGulf Lying Pretext to hearts and minds
to never telling the truth about zones of control.
(Yesterday even the Green Zone became a killing
ground.
On my blog, I
October 15, 2004
OP-ED COLUMNIST
Block the Vote
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Earlier this week former employees of Sproul
Associates (operating under the name Voters Outreach
of America), a firm hired by the Republican National
Committee to register voters, told a Nevada TV station
that their supervisors
On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 08:23:18PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
If he couldn't even bring himself to support the Gulf War in 1991,
then the next time somebody kills a few thousand Americans (and it
will happen) what is he going to do when France, Russia, and China
doesn't give a response
Damon, what's your feel for military morale and
support for the war?
Overall, its my impression that the average soldier in
uniform (i.e. the enlisted, perhaps the field-grade
officers) tenatively support the conflict. One of the
comments I've seen recently, and increasingly, is that
western
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wouldn't Kerry's opinion on Afghanistan be a better
test of this
question than his opinion on Iraq?
I think whether one supports intervening to promote
global freedom and
democracy is a very different question than whether
one supports a war
to
--- David Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now this is just absurd. BC initiated a major
campaign aimed at India upon entering office. It's a
historical fact. A BIG historical fact. Live with
it
Well, Dr. Brin, if senior members of the Indian
foreign service aren't aware of any such thing,
Just out of curiosity, is anyone other than me
outraged by Edwards' comment that if John Kerry is
elected people in wheelchairs will get up and walk?
On the Gautam Kerry-meter, all by itself that sent me
from 60 to about 45. That's just a contemptible thing
to say. I can only imagine the
From: David Brin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
October 15, 2004
OP-ED COLUMNIST
Block the Vote
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Earlier this week former employees of Sproul
Associates (operating under the name Voters Outreach
of America), a firm hired by the Republican National
Committee to register voters, told a
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Just out of curiosity, is anyone other than me
outraged by Edwards' comment that if John Kerry is
elected people in wheelchairs will get up and walk?
On the Gautam Kerry-meter, all by itself that sent me
from 60 to about 45. That's just a contemptible thing
to say. I can
From: JDG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The difference between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party is
this - the Republicans overwhelming believe in the merits of the Iraq War,
and the Iraq War would never have happened under the Democrats. If you
believe, as I do, that Iraq is the
I heard on the radio today that Taiwan was contemplating a nuclear weapons
program as it no longer felt it could depend upon the support of the west if
China tried to use force to re-integrate it into the mainland. That was interesting,
but what was more interesting was the Chinese response.
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Edwards: 'When John Kerry is president, people
like Christopher Reeve are going to walk. Get up out
of that wheelchair and walk again'...
Here's what Edwards actually said at an October 10
campaign event in Iowa:
EDWARDS: Christopher
The only thing I can say about this is: WTF?
One would like to think that this is simply an oversight, but I suspect that
if ABCnews didn't make it a loud issue, this guy would still be fighting the
bureaucracy...
Injured Soldiers Returning from Iraq Struggle for Medical Benefits,
as I can tell, every major act in Kerry's political
career can be explained by asking the question What
could he do that will best advance his short term
ambitions?
Like his leadership in pushing to find answers about
our Vietnam MIAs, back when the nation wanted to just
forget it all ever
Would you care to make a wager on it?
Absolutely! $100 right up top.
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From: David Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: brin: My big salvo
as I can tell, every major act in Kerry's political
career can be explained by asking the question What
Behalf Of David Land
Yes
Maybe it's just me, but this answer strikes me as somehow
missing the point, or trying to be a smart-alek.
I'd expect that from Alberto. Actually, a name was all I was really
hoping for. I wasn't specifically asking for links because I
figured it was bad manners
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
This doesn't change the meaning of what he said at
all, Nick.
I must agree... and it was yucky.
Nick
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From: David Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: brin: My big salvo
Find one brave or selfless act ever performed by W,
beyond allowing his dad's friends to buy him fighter
jet
The only thing I can say about this is: WTF?
This was actually on the news a couple nights ago. I
don't think the story added any content other than
what is on the web.
One would like to think that this is simply an
oversight, but I suspect that
if ABCnews didn't make it a loud issue, this
--- David Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would you care to make a wager on it?
Absolutely! $100 right up top.
Just to be clear, you are going to wager $100 that if
Kerry wins the election, significant numbers of Bush
Administration officials are going to flee the counrty
for fear of
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From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 1:25 PM
Subject: RE: India Re: Brin: W and the apocalypts
--- David Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would you care to make a wager on it?
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm on the outside of this, so let me throw my
opinion in. How about 10%
of the Cabinet members or 10% of their direct
reports? Would you agree
this is significant, Gautam, David?
Dan M.
Absolutely.
=
Gautam Mukunda
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Freedom
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with you that his tax policy is very wrong.
But, unlike you, I
think he is just a true believer in Reaganomics.
Yes, even though it has been decisively repudiated by
economists, has failed all experimental evidence in
the real world, and is
Oh I should not have bothered. You go for the most
absurdly dramatic interpretation instead of one that's
pragmatically measurable.
How about this. By 2008, several times as many
officials of the 4-year GWB admin will have copped
pleas or been sentenced for malfeasance or corruption
of some
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 06:22:44 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wouldn't Kerry's opinion on Afghanistan be a better
test of this
question than his opinion on Iraq?
I think whether one supports intervening to promote
global
I supported that War but
did see Bush and
Powell often misleading the public to rush to war.
Just curious, but if GW1 ended up being a disaster,
with 10K American and allied soldiers coming home in
body bags, would you have still supported the war?
Damon.
=
David Land wrote:
Yes
Maybe it's just me, but this answer strikes me as somehow
missing the point, or trying to be a smart-alek.
:-)
The reason was much less malevolent than that. I was in a hurry.
Same reason why I postponed any reply to the Roman debate,
and that I am
Doug Pensinger wrote:
I'd be interested too, I am having trouble comming up with anything on
Google given the names you supplied.
I thought that Sergio Macaco should suffice to find them
I did find a few details about the
period in a discussion of a movie called Four Days in September
Andrew Paul wrote:
OK, I dare say it largely sabre rattling on the part of China, and I dont
think anyone wants Taiwan to have nuclear weapons, but its a bad sign that
nations are talking so openly about pre-emptive strikes against other
nations. It seems to have become a legitimate strategy
Dan Minette wrote:
It may not seem like much to you, but in the Evangelical community, where
Islam is considered by many a false religion, (...)
What nonsense! Every Evangelical leader should place Muhammad
among the precursors of the Reform, a minor reformism before
Luther did the right
Behalf Of Alberto Monteiro
But since it took you _weeks_ to reply, I guess you can wait one
or
two days :-P
Actually, it was me who posted the question, not Dave Land. But
that's OK. And yes, I can certainly wait...
- jmh
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--- Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What nonsense! Every Evangelical leader should place
Muhammad
among the precursors of the Reform, a minor
reformism before
Luther did the right thing! :-)
Reform means many things. Muhammed was a reformer
from polytheism to structured
Senhor Monteiro,
On Oct 15, 2004, at 1:59 PM, Horn, John wrote:
Behalf Of Alberto Monteiro
But since it took you _weeks_ to reply, I guess
you can wait one or two days :-P
Actually, it was me who posted the question, not Dave Land. But
that's OK. And yes, I can certainly wait...
That's it,
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: brin: religious reformers
--- Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What nonsense! Every Evangelical leader should place
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: brin: religious reformers
I don't really see how that is true. Writing in the restored kingdom was
not that rare and uncommon.
An
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Edwards: 'When John Kerry is president, people
like Christopher Reeve are going to walk. Get up out
of that wheelchair and walk again'...
Here's what Edwards actually said at an October 10 campaign event
in Iowa:
Dan Minette wrote:
Reform means many things. Muhammed was a reformer
from polytheism to structured monotheism, with the
addition of written transcription of the prophet's
exact words -
The last I heard is that the scholaraly consensus is that the redaction of
Muhammed's words was done years
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Soare you also going to slam a significant
portion of the
medical community who are making the same kinds of
claims and more?
In the context of promoting stem cell research, the
statement is
perfectly reasonable and any claim to the
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: John Edwards: John Kerry is Jesus
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Soare you also going to slam a
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For example, if Kerry were to argue that starting a
program to develop
nuclear plants that would be able to be run cheaper
with more efficient
regulation is a practical way to reduce greenhouse
gases, then he would be
reasonable...even if the fruit
At 07:11 AM 10/15/2004 -0700 Nick Arnett wrote:
Drudge edited out Edwards's words about the work we can do in this
country on stem cell research, which suggested that Edwards was premising
people like Christopher Reeve walk[ing] again on the outcome of
research that a Kerry administration would
At 04:34 PM 10/15/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For example, if Kerry were to argue that starting a
program to develop
nuclear plants that would be able to be run cheaper
with more efficient
regulation is a practical way to reduce greenhouse
gases,
At 12:06 PM 10/15/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote:
To the best of my memory, Clinton's is the only
administration to score zero on indictments.
Many times zero doesn't work, does it?
Weren't Henry Cisneros and Mike Espy indicted? Its been a long time now,
but I seem to recall that they were.
Weren't Henry Cisneros and Mike Espy indicted? Its
been a long time now,
but I seem to recall that they were.
AFAIK charges dismissed
Also, Bill Clinton was indicted - its called
impeachment
Indictment is a specific term... but I'll give you an
indictment... leading to aquittal
- and
Ok, now the facts.
Brazilian military forces are divided into three groups: Army,
Navy and Aeronautics. There was a group of people from the
Aeronautics, the PARASAR, that was dedicated to saving
peoples' lives in dangerous rescues.
When the dictatorship of 1964-1980-1985-1989 [*] was
Ouch! That's the only way to describe my 4-10 record last week. I just
knew that I didn't have a good read on last weeks games, but this? Yikes.
The upset special also fell to 3-2 as the Panthers fell just short in
Denver. Meanwhile, the particularly scary thing about my 39-35 record for
--- David Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
$100 is still on the table.
For what, exactly? I'm a graduate student, I'm _happy
_ to take your money :-), but I'd like to know what
the terms are. How many senior Bush people will have
to be indicted and/or flee the country to avoid
prosecution before
Dan Minette wrote:
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From: David Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: brin: My big salvo
Find one brave or selfless act ever performed by W,
beyond allowing his dad's friends to
At 09:01 PM 10/14/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote:
John wrote:
So, do you think Kerry wants to threaten the use of force against Iran?
You are a true Bush acolyte, John. Take the words of your opponent out of
context to make him sound like a flip flopper,
The only acolyte is the one who
At 09:40 PM 10/14/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote:
The difference between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party is
this - the Republicans overwhelming believe in the merits of the Iraq
War, and the Iraq War would never have happened under the Democrats.
If you
believe, as I do,
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Soare you also going to slam a significant
portion of the
medical community who are making the same kinds of
claims and more?
In the context of promoting stem cell research, the
statement is
perfectly reasonable
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From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: John Edwards: John Kerry is Jesus
Sheesh.that article is cheesy in its use of misdirection. I have
no doubt that one can
Q How many members of the Bush Administration are needed to change a
light
bulb?
A It takes 10:
1. One to deny that a light bulb needs to be changed.
2. One to attack the patriotism of anyone who says the light bulb
needs to
be changed.
3. One to blame Clinton for burning out the light bulb.
4.
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I think that could also be explained by his
relationship with Bandar
(among others).
I'm sure he wants to curry favor with a longtime
family business
partner.
xponent
Alternate Maru
rob
Why? He's _President of the United States_ - in
JDG wrote:
You should ask the people of Samarra how badly we're losing it right now.
First a diversion, unrelated to the question.
I can tell you how we don't win the war on Islamic terror - that is by
leaving in place economic sanctions that inflamed Arab resentment against
the United States
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sondage_mondial_usa/resultats_en.php
Now this is very interesting.
Especially Russia and Israel.
Mexico too.
xponent
Question Maru
rob
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--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
AokBut I have not seen anywhere where
anyone has said it
will happen in eight years. The product of such
research will happen
when it happens, but only after it is prodded to
start.
They will get up and walk seems pretty definitive
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From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: John Edwards: John Kerry is Jesus
At 04:34 PM 10/15/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
JDG wrote:
The only acolyte is the one who can't see the flip-flop here:
KERRY: Well, let me tell you straight up: I've never changed my mind
about Iraq. I do believe Saddam Hussein was a threat. I always believed
he was a threat. Believed it in 1998 when Clinton was president. I
wanted to
--- Ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Ah, but I was talking about the public perception.
The IFS view is
certainly more pro-Bush. The politicos and the media
are more or less
evenly divided between these two views. The army
subscribes to neither,
refusing to believe in
Gautam wrote:
What the hell is wrong with these people?
I agree that the statement was crass; typical campaign hyperbole that
neither side is innocent of, but his remarks are minor in signifigance
when compared to the subtrafuge the Bush administration used to goad the
Nation and its allies to
I'm sure he wants to curry favor with a longtime
family business
partner.
Why? He's _President of the United States_ - in
Bill
Clinton's remarkably crass phrase, he has high
earning potential after he leaves office. Apart
from
which, the extent to which the Bushes and the Saudis
How many senior Bush people will
have to be indicted and/or flee the country to
avoid prosecution before I have to pay you? How few
before you have to pay me?
How few would it take for a one-term administration to
look more corrupt that a two term that had one
(totally politically stage
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