Re: Technically reality

be impeded because of the requirements of the handicapped. Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: So Austin

enslaved? Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: maru

serves, General Service Vehicle and Rapid Offensive Unit. Maru is a way of adding remarks at the end of a message in a way distinctive and exclusive to Brin-L do you know the derivation of when the apellation san is added to names e.g. momotaru-san? Nope. Doug

So Austin

buff. Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: So Austin

not have occurred. Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: After Midnight

Their lives are way too short, aren't they? I'm very sorry for your loss, Ronn! Doug Ronn! wrote: That era started about 11:15 last night. I came in to eat some soup for lunch, then I have to return to trying to dig a hole in the drought-hardened soil in the back yard, which I started

Speaking of Austin...

Say Julia (and other knowledgable Texans), I'm in Austin for a conference next week. I probably won't have much time during the day, what's to see/do after 5 or so? Good places to eat? Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: VP not part of Executive Branch?

at him. Personally though, I don't think the guy had the wherewithal to load a cigar. Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: VP not part of Executive Branch?

/ What he's talking about is along the lines of what I expect to happen. Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: VP not part of Executive Branch?

this post altogether, but I'm very fearful that I am not. Doug When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross. Sinclair Lewis ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Who Killed the Electric Car

them. Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: VP not part of Executive Branch?

of power exercised by this president who though no state of emergency existed at the time of detention, has detained U.S. citizens and held them incommunicado and whom has not requested authorization for doing so from congress? Doug ___ http

Re: VP not part of Executive Branch?

the technology available at the time was absolutely primitive in comparison with what is now available. To put it in perspective, I'll bet it's possible that this administration has monitored more phone calls in the last 24 hours than Hoover monitored in his entire 48 year tenure. Doug

Re: Political Dementia

Ronn! wrote: Insert Old Submarine Joke Maru Con, Sonar, we have a hammerfor bearing 129, drawing right; turncount 197. Sonar, Con, what's a hammerfor? Doug Alternative: henweigh Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: anne coulter

you look larger than you really are... she needs to let those roots grow out; she's dyed her hair so many times her brains are bleached!~{ Actually, I'd be afraid if I looked too closely at any part of her one of those Alien things would come writhing out at me. Doug

Re: U.S. health care

of a Nation? Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Big Thaw

http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0706/feature2/index.html Right now Greenland is no threat to beachfront property. Steven Nerem of the University of Colorado at Boulder, who monitors sea level by satellite, says the oceans have been rising an eighth of an inch (0.3 centimeter) a year.

Re: Michael Moore

system underperforms that of other developed nations at a higher cost? Doug Earth is roughly spherical, maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: NASA Goes Deep

?) we will have explored much of what lies beyond this planet and we will look back on July 20, 1969 as the day it really started. -- Doug VFP Irony ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Endless Universe Made Possible By New Model

of discussion. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Endless Universe Made Possible By New Model

Charlie wrote: On the contrary, I'd say it's a positive boon! I imagine it affects different people different ways. It makes me feel groggy and slightly nauseous. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Endless Universe Made Possible By New Model

. And there will never be. Why not? Never is way to absolute for me. Especially on an SF list! Meanwhile, cosmology and particle physics make darn intersting subjects to discuss! ;-) Now _that_ we can agree on. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin

Re: Endless Universe Made Possible By New Model

the answer as well. Finally, what if Wheeler is right about the universe. :-) Eh? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Endless Universe Made Possible By New Model

and other constructs we observe in space aren't part of some fantastically, unimaginably large construct that is itself just one of many? Isn't it egotistical to place ourselves at the center of the universe in this respect? -- Doug Spellcheck complete maru

How I would change the U.N.

to no single nation. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: What science fiction writer are you?

On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 05:26:50 -0800, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/02/2007, at 3:40 PM, Doug wrote: Yeah. Claire said that Glory Season pisses her off 'cause Brin comes across as badly sexist. I don't see it, but I guess that's the point... What's her rational? Assuming

Re: What science fiction writer are you?

); Yeah. Claire said that Glory Season pisses her off 'cause Brin comes across as badly sexist. I don't see it, but I guess that's the point... What's her rational? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: What science fiction writer are you?

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:53:16 -0800, Robert G. Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/30/2007 9:35:37 AM, Nick Arnett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Posted to a friend's blog... who discovered that he is David Brin. I drew Asimov. Me too. -- Doug

Sandbox

-- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: ADMIN: Network outage

be very cool, but would take a lot of hard work. I just meant as a goal; to keep an archive that wouldn't get erased like the one on Yahoo or succumb to various problems. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: ADMIN: Network outage

problems the list or anyone subscribed to it has encountered as a result. I'm curious what sort of problems do you anticipate? -- Doug Just to be contrary, maru. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: ADMIN: Network outage

Charlie wrote: On 24/01/2007, at 2:51 PM, Doug wrote: Any feeling of privacy we might get by not having an archive is a facade; email is not a very private medium. We've almost always been publicly archived here and I can't think of any problems the list or anyone subscribed to it has

Re: ADMIN: Network outage

Charlie wrote: *shrug* It's not something I overly worry about, it's just what I'd change given the choice. Charlie I wouldn't care if it was private as long as it was complete. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: New take on Fermi Paradox

with any civilization they encountered in any case. Imagine being able to download your consciousness into a nano-probe and race off to explore the universe... 8^) Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: ADMIN: We're really back

? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: On being back

Jo Anne wrote: Things have been alright, Doug. How are you doing? This was our grandson's second Christmas, and the first one he was really interested in. He has enriched our lives beyond any expectation I might have had about grandchildren. Number two is due in May and our daughter

Re: Someone Must Tell Them

Damon wrote: I wanted to comment earlier but...eh... Please, please do! Knowing your interest in (and extensive knowledge of) the middle ages, your perspective is valuable to this fascinating discussion. -- Doug both feet, maru ___ http

Re: I'm Baaaack

? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: The long interruption

. I'm happy to have our little community back in business; I hope you're all still hangin' in. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Seeing Red

A South African member of the Culture list posted this amazing picture of a red grasshopper he found in his garden. http://www.flickr.com/photos/dabbling/292613191/in/photostream/ -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Iraq

these things will happen anyway. It's time to cut the gangrenous leg off; it's not recoverable and it's going to poison the rest of the body. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Belated anouncement

My second grandson, Tristan, was born on the 15th of this month. He was 8 lbs 14 oz and 22 in (sorry Alberto) at birth and to date is healthy and happy. I'm as proud as can be. 8^) Pictures at the Yahoo archive: http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/brin-l/photos/browse/cab3 -- Doug

Re: Iraq Re: Someone Must Tell Them

interested in another Shi'a state in the region. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Iraq Re: Someone Must Tell Them

that there would have been less sectarian violence in Iraq if the regime of Saddam Hussein (or similar) had only collapsed *without* 150,000+ US troops on the ground trying to help keep the peace... Yes, I believe that that is quite possible and even probable. -- Doug

Re: Iraq Re: Someone Must Tell Them

, there is very little we can do about it. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Library book sales - huzzah!

favorite Iain M. (and I like all that I've read) and you don't need to know anything about Elliot or The Wasteland. Pick it up and read it, it's a barnburner. -- Doug Not a git, maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Iraq Re: Someone Must Tell Them

American bias and potential support from countrys like Russia, France and China - places that care little for the security of Israel and you begin to see how dire the situation can become. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Iraq

to reply here where anything you propose is likely subject to attack from several directions. Of course that's the case just about anywhere you go these days, isn't it. Doug ...arguably the worst foreign policy disaster in U.S. history. George Will -- Doug

Iraq

, but I can understand your reluctance to reply here where anything you propose is likely subject to attack from several directions. Of course that's the case just about anywhere you go these days, isn't it. Doug ...arguably the worst foreign policy disaster in U.S. history. George

For What?

severe shrapnel wounds. For what? *** Indeed. John asked Nick to step into the shoes of the president. I'm wondering what advice John himself might have. For what, John? What are they dieing for now? Doug -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com

Re: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2)

participation in the discussion, I'm not sure that you're qualified to draw conclusions about the material if you haven't read it. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: 9/11 conspiracies or why the Red Sox collapsed

into the collapse of your beloved sox. I think George talked to George who told Manny David that they had to lose. The future of the free world depends on Yankee victory. Seriously who do you like for MVP Big Hurt. 8^) -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com

Re: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2)

on the project was that a student of his from the island peaked his interest. It is more than likely that a native of the island would be anxious to disprove the idea that his ancestors were so irresponsible. I would be very interested in a response from Diamond on this study. -- Doug

Re: To the Back of the Bus!

/photos/view/3157?b=5 Yahoo groups registration required. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: To the Back of the Bus!

in the picture. You guys are killin' me. 8^) There are two (count 'em) protrusions, separated by a bit of a cleavage and while the one on the right requires a bit of imagination the rock on the left is almost a perfect shape. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com

Re: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2)

://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=181 and a relevant quote: Hurricane forecast models (the same ones that were used to predict Katrina's path) indicate a tendency for more intense (but not overall more frequent) hurricanes when they are run for climate change scenarios (Fig. 1). -- Doug

Re: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2)

that they started erecting more and larger statues as a result of their realizing that they had stranded themselves on that remote island. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: 'Crocodile Hunter' Steve Irwin dies

Crikey!! says it all by itself. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Congrats, Charlie and Claire...

Just wanted to add my belated felicitations. I hope you're enjoying your honeymoon in Cyprus. May you have a long and exceedingly happy marriage! -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Religious freedom

believe I wrote something original about pink unicorns. Stupid-face. They're not pink, they're invisible. How would you know they're pink when you can't see them? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: (S)triangulated (Collapse, Chapter 3)

barely keeping ahead of the discussion and as I'm working the WE I'm unlikely to get any farther ahead. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Religious freedom

Alberto wrote: Doug Pensinger wrote: Anyone reasonable can see that instance of a subset is not the whole. JDG is an atheist. JDG is a devout Catholic. It was a typo. JDG is so religious, that he is almost a Prophet - at least, he is the best listmember to predict the future. If I

(S)triangulated (Collapse, Chapter 3)

were denied cheap access to it would there be tremendous political consequences? Upheaval and civil strife? -- Doug Who apologizes for being so brief, but I had to work late again tonight... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Religious freedom

Dave Land wrote: Anyone reasonable can see that instance of a subset is not the whole. JDG is an atheist. JDG is a devout Catholic. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Religious freedom

Charlie wrote: What's an example of a non-religious cult? Fanatical Macophiles? 8^) -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2)

endangered species, disaster relief, etc. The are many other priorities which need to be considered. None of which have anywhere near the potential for disaster that warming does. In fact, warming has the potential to exacerbate the problems you mention. -- Doug

Re: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2)

increases ocean temperatures and 2) hurricanes are fueled by warm water. It really isn't much of a stretch to assume that warming _will_ cause higher intensity storms. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2)

who knows what effect on global weather patterns. So yea, there are other factors here. 8^) -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2)

that have more have more to loose. That doesn't mean (and I'm not implying that anyone said this, just making an observation) that the less well to do are all brain dead morons that don't give a sh*t about what might befall civilization as a result of industrialization. -- Doug

Re: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2)

. Do you think that they’ll be shouting Jobs, not dry land? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2)

! So was any part of this post serious? 8^) -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Jobs, not trees! (Collapse, Chapter 2)

or no, probably didn’t realize that they had a serious problem until it was too late to do anything about it. What are we waiting for? *[http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/New_Data/] -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman

Re: Collapse

and get it done by Saturday evening, no later than Sunday. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Moving to Montana Soon?

to have cottages on them. And the tiny lots they put new houses on are ridiculous. I think it's just human nature to have myopic tunnel vision. We all do it, to some extent. Indeed we do. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Moving to Montana Soon?

is a perfect 10. I haven't been to Ketchikan, but I visited Sitka for several days a couple years back. Very nice. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Moving to Montana Soon?

responsible at least in part. Mine Asteroids? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Collapse

will attempt to keep the discussion going myself, though I'm betting I'll have at least a little bit of help. Sorry to be delinquent, I wanted to give everyone atime to pick up a copy of the book. The more the merrier, eh... -- Doug ___ http

Moving to Montana Soon?

faces (at least the short term ones) seem like small potatoes. Fascinating! Read on. -- Doug Me and the pygmy pony over by the dental floss bush, maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Prehistory

On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:21:21 -0800, Brother John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug Pensinger wrote: Brother John wrote: Consider the marvelous book by Jared Diamond called /Guns, Germs and Steel. /It is almost all conjecture. It is very good conjecture perhaps, but conjecture nevertheless

Re: Abortion

don't completely disagree with your assessment of our culture. I'm just saying that focusing on mere numbers isn't particularly enlightening. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Look on my works, ye mighty...

on a chapter 1 summary now. Unless there are objections I'll post it on Tuesday. Have you chased down a copy yet Charlie? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Abortion

really didn't want them or need them we would enforce strict laws against employing them and without jobs, they would go home. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Prehistory

? There is no way to answer such questions scientifically. We do know that he had a stone projectile point embedded in his pelvis. -- Doug No bullet wounds, maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Look on my works, ye mighty...

working on a chapter 1 summary now. Unless there are objections I'll post it on Tuesday. Have you chased down a copy yet Charlie? The server seems to be acting funny. I sent this post this morning but haven't seen it on the list. -- Doug ___ http

Re: (no subject)

that virtually all primitive cultures are like the Maya in that respect, fallen from a higher culture. We would, eh? Can you cite a (factual) reference? Are you a fundy? Do you believe that the earth and heavens were created in six days approximately 6000 years ago? -- Doug

Re: Wealthy couples travel to U.S. to choose baby's sex

is that the percentage that answered that way would be in the low single digits while variations of the answer Because it gives us great pleasure would be the overwhelming favorite. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Wealthy couples travel to U.S. to choose baby's sex

Charlie wrote: Or because their husband/master/owner wanted a shag, and babies were the side-effect of that. Exactly. The Idea of some past golden age is a crock. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Good Lord, it's hot

anything close to this. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Look on my works, ye mighty...

at Costco. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: RFK Jr. interview

of lives and money. Apparently, to avoid this cognitive dissonance, Bush supporters suppress awareness of unsettling information. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: RFK Jr. interview

://astro.berkeley.edu/~aleroy/Report10_21_04.pdf] -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: RFK Jr. interview

it by Democrats. Can you show me one. I haven't seen anything like this poll. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Collapse...

..How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed Is anyone interested in reading and discussing this Jared Diamond book on list? I volunteer to lead some of the discussion... NY Times review: http://tinyurl.com/m6h5j -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com

Testing...

1,2,3 -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Wealthy couples travel to U.S. to choose baby's sex

Michael Kinsley recently put it: sincere right-to-lifers deserve respect as that rarity in modern American politics: a strong interest group defending the interest of someone other than themselves. Thanks for the compliment. 8^) -- Doug ___ http

Re: Wealthy couples travel to U.S. to choose baby's sex

seen any evidence to suggest that you do; just speculation. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Wealthy couples travel to U.S. to choose baby's sex

also wonder, if such tinkering becomes viable, does it have the possibility of damaging an egalitarian society? How so? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Wealthy couples travel to U.S. to choose baby's sex

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:52:34 -0400 (EDT), Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug Pensinger wrote: Jim Sharkey wrote: I also wonder, if such tinkering becomes viable, does it have the possibility of damaging an egalitarian society? How so? Well, I would imagine that such advances would

Re: Wealthy couples travel to U.S. to choose baby's sex

parents to produce imbalanced generations. Not anything remotely close to the 3:1 ratio that you have suggested _despite_ a strong cultural bias towards male offspring. Here's the thing, Doug. Either you agree that the State has a role in preventing misaligned generations, or you don't. Sure

Re: Wealthy couples travel to U.S. to choose baby's sex

was founded upon. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

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