JDG wrote:
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Similarly, I find the notion of bombing a people into democracy and
gratitude stupid. And I really honestly do not believe that Bush's
failure of imagination and my recognition of the same makes me
responsible for
Doug wrote:
AQ wants to prolong
the violence because they are aware that Americans have a
limited amount of patience; that by prolonging the violence
they will force us to leave.
I'll disagree with you here. I do not think that AQ wants the US to
withdraw. Not right now at any rate. A
Finally!
I have been reading excerpts but it took me almost the entire day to
work my way down to this message.
JDG wrote:
Ritu, it seems that you, Nick, and even Dan missed the point here.
The proposition was made here that the US is responsible for all the
deaths currently occuring in
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On the other hand, the policy of sanctions, No-Fly-Zones,
diplomatic
On 11/27/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If Iraqis are
killing Iraqis at a stunning rate today, and they are, it is because
the
Coalition enabled such a situation to arise. So, for quite a lot of
us,
all the Iraqi deaths post 2003 are on the Coalition's head.
Okay... Ritu, did
Nick Arnett asked:
Okay... Ritu, did you really mean to say that the Coalition
(not the US,
John) is totally responsible for all of the Iraqis killing
Iraqis these days?
Nope. The Coalition, as I mentioned in the mail John quoted, is
responsible for enabling the situation to arise. This
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JDG wrote:
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Ritu wrote:
I'll disagree with you here. I do not think that AQ wants the US to
withdraw. Not right now at any rate. A couple of captured AQ documents
clearly indicate that AQ is hoping that the US stays in Iraq for a long
time to come. The American presence in Iraq is accomplishing what OBL
At 08:39 AM Tuesday 11/28/2006, Dan Minette wrote:
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On the other hand
At 10:24 AM Tuesday 11/28/2006, Ritu wrote:
Nick Arnett asked:
Okay... Ritu, did you really mean to say that the Coalition
(not the US,
John) is totally responsible for all of the Iraqis killing
Iraqis these days?
Nope. The Coalition, as I mentioned in the mail John quoted, is
responsible
On 11/26/06, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If need be, I can make a general case that our decision making process is
better informed when we do study pact actions and results in such a manner
than when we don't. Indeed, arguing against such a case would reject a
great deal of how we
On 11/27/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The proposition was made here that the US is responsible for all the
deaths currently occuring in Iraq.
Cite, please.
I don't recall anybody making any such argument.
Nick
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And that's
JDG wrote:
Ritu, it seems that you, Nick, and even Dan missed the point here.
The proposition was made here that the US is responsible for all the
deaths currently occurring in Iraq. While this was a reasonable
proposition when the deaths in Iraq were occurring largely as a result of
US
On 27 Nov 2006 at 8:45, Doug wrote:
The sectarian violence now occurring in Iraq was sparked when the
Al-Askari Mosque (the Golden Mosque) was destroyed last February by
Al Qaida. Why did Al Qaida do it? To prolong the violence in Iraq.
Why did they want to prolong the violence? Because of
Andrew wrote:
I wrote:
The sectarian violence now occurring in Iraq was sparked when the
Al-Askari Mosque (the Golden Mosque) was destroyed last February by
Al Qaida. Why did Al Qaida do it? To prolong the violence in Iraq.
Why did they want to prolong the violence? Because of the
At 08:58 AM Monday 11/27/2006, Nick Arnett wrote:
I'm quite sure that's not needed, since it is common sense that one can
prophet from the past.
Aargh.
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On 27 Nov 2006 at 12:42, Doug wrote:
Andrew wrote:
I wrote:
The sectarian violence now occurring in Iraq was sparked when the
Al-Askari Mosque (the Golden Mosque) was destroyed last February by
Al Qaida. Why did Al Qaida do it? To prolong the violence in Iraq.
Why did they want to
Andrew wrote:
Huh? No, again, you're somehow focusing on AQ hates Americans in
Iraw. They PLAIN HATE AMERICANS. They're prolonging the violence
by attacking Americans because it hurts American interests and
Americans. Iraq happens to be the current best place for them to do
that.
Why do
Dan Minette wrote:
Only if you share Bush's Manichean world-view. I don't. But we have
covered this ground earlier, before the invasion.
We have, and I think there is a reasonable view that might address
some of what you and some of what JDG argues for.
Which probably means that
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Dan Minette wrote:
Only if you share Bush's Manichean world-view. I don't
On 11/26/06, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... a critical part of this is
accepting the consequences of one's own preferred path, as well as the
consequences of the path one opposes.
Unfortunately, that's based in fantasy because God only knows what would
have happened if another
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On 11/26/06, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... a critical part
JDG wrote:
And that's because the policy of the rest of the world was to
support the reign of terror of Saddam Hussein ad infinitum
Only if you share Bush's Manichean world-view. I don't. But we have
covered this ground earlier, before the invasion.
Ritu
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Only if you share Bush's Manichean world-view. I don't. But we have
covered
On 11/25/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, for quite a lot of
us,
all the Iraqi deaths post 2003 are on the Coalition's head.
And that's because the policy of the rest of the world was to support
the reign of terror of Saddam Hussein ad infinitum
Very, very bad logic. Those
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It would, however, be
reasonable to argue that, while there is wanton murder by some
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JDG wrote:
And how does that 13+ years of attacks compare to just the
last month
in Iraq?
I dunno, how many Iraqis did the US kill last month?
Who knows? You guys don't do body counts when you are doing the killing.
And how many Iraqis did Iraqis kill?
Again, who knows?
And
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