At 02:30 PM Sunday 5/20/2007, Deborah Harrell wrote:
I used to know how much flatulence we humans produced,
but I have long forgotten that! sigh Yet another
thing to look up...
http://www.geocities.com/Krishna_kunchith/humor/fart.html
http://tafkac.org/medical/death_by_flatulence.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Deborah Harrell
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 2:31 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Re Cost of conservation
So I'm not sure how I feel about using corn for
ethanol; is there really
I wrote, and as usual thought of many things I ought
to have written as well, once I got in the car
phththt! :
much snipped
home decor. I will have to find sites on the growth
of Home Depots etc., and the logging of rare
hardwoods...
Of course, there is a consumer-driven quest for
You ignored my general call for less planned
obsolesence and picked on only one example, that of
home decor.
Did you expect me to discuss every area of consumption in detail? I picked
an example where fashion just gave one example. Debbie, I try to get to
specific when I discuss things.
At 11:31 AM Thursday 5/17/2007, Dan Minette wrote:
[snip]
What people often refer to now, when they speak of planned obsolescence, is
the tendency to throw something away when it breaks, instead of getting it
fixed. But, that's a different phenomenon. Many items, such as TVs, are so
cheap and
I have only a few minutes, so can't reply fully, but
I'm going to call you on these, Dan:
DDT has been discussed here previously, and
net-impregnation has been cited as cost-effective and
reasonably safe (I either posted or re-posted a WHO
site on that months ago). But I think that Charlie
Since I was out of pocket for a bit, I thought I might let this lie instead
of responding late. But, since Dr. Harrell has brought this up, I decided
to respond.
See, you don't get it. I'll try to explain more clearly:
There is *already* resistance. There wasn't, but in any area which
once
Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 05:11 PM Tuesday 5/8/2007, Julia Thompson wrote:
IOW, the dose makes the poison?
Water in excess is toxic.
Which just supports my statement. :)
Julia
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What I'm arguing for is a hard nosed cost/benefit analysis. I don't see
that in the POP site that I quoted. The fact that there are problems with
using DDT doesn't make overstating the risks valid. It's the mirror image
of if a little is good, a lot is better
On 05/05/2007, at 4:05 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
Indeed, Gautam made a good argument here that environmental policy and
environmentalist claims is a major contributor to the death of 1
million/year due to malaria. The US used DDT as part of its
elimination of
malaria. No human deaths
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Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 19:26:07 +1000
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On 05/05/2007, at 4:05 AM, Dan Minette wrote
On 08/05/2007, at 1:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you will see my suggestion as one of three parts of a comprehensive
program. This has a marginally high chance of promoting DDT-resistant
mosquitos, but I think we agree that it's not much compared to the
widespread, indiscriminate use
On 5 May 2007 at 19:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am saying that, by spreading misinformation, environmentalists have made
significant contributions to bad decisions. Environmentalists tend to be
trusted a lot more than governments and companies worldwide. I didn't
search the 'net for
On 5 May 2007 at 20:04, Robert G. Seeberger wrote:
That's not really a help. The power comes from mostly fossil-fuel
burning power stations,
It doesn't have to. Here in Texas, we lead the US in wind power
production and we do have nukes.nukes that are being expanded as
we speak.
Sigh.
Most of these places allready have a marginally viable ecosystem.
DDT, used properly, is not much of a threat. However, this
effectively means not only providing DDT, but providing the people to
spray it. This is much, much harder.
But, it's been done fairly effectively. It doesn't
Dan Minette wrote:
Let me focus on one particular country where I know something about the
infrastructure: Zambia. My daughter Neli is from there, has worked as an
IMF intern there, and her family is fairly well connected to the church
structure there. We've talked about AIDs prevention, a
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From: Robert G. Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 21:44:47 -0500
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On 5/4/2007 7:53:47 PM, Ronn! Blankenship
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
At 01:42 PM Friday 5/4/2007, Martin Lewis
As for Bangledesh and the like -- the fear is not of a multi-decade
rise in sea level, but of a typhoon or hurricane surge that is higher
than those in the past. The increase in height need not be much, just
enough to cause survivors to leave the coast rather than stay.
That's true...but
On 5 May 2007 at 9:59, Dan Minette wrote:
As for Bangledesh and the like -- the fear is not of a multi-decade
rise in sea level, but of a typhoon or hurricane surge that is higher
than those in the past. The increase in height need not be much, just
enough to cause survivors to
On 4 May 2007 at 19:53, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 01:42 PM Friday 5/4/2007, Martin Lewis wrote:
On 5/4/07, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Indeed, Gautam made a good argument here that environmental policy and
environmentalist claims is a major contributor to the death of 1
Dan Minette wrote:
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2) Loopholes are always found. The popularity of
the Suburban
On 5/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't quite tell, what is your exact claim about DDT here?
snip
I also have the claim that, by spreading misinformation, those people who
originate and propagate false information are contributing to preventable
deaths that far
On 5/5/07, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well yes, that final point was what I was asking about because there
was nothing in your post to support the claim that environmental
policy and environmentalist claims is a major contributor to the death
of 1 million/year due to
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How many pickup trucks run on diesel?
Around here it isn't all that many. Dodge has had a popular truck
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Irrelevent to the issue at hand. Why shouldn't rich, non-malarial
countries ban DDT given the health risks
On 5 May 2007 at 13:20, Robert Seeberger wrote:
My personal opinion is that we should not be encouraging the burning
of fuels at all (WRT automobiles). We should be encouraging electric
powered vehicles. Certainly, there is an issue with range that has not
That's not really a help. The
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On 5/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I can't quite tell, what is your exact claim about DDT here
On 5/5/2007 6:41:18 PM, Andrew Crystall ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
On 5 May 2007 at 13:20, Robert Seeberger wrote:
My personal opinion is that we should not be encouraging the
burning
of fuels at all (WRT automobiles). We should be encouraging
electric
powered vehicles. Certainly,
As for Bangledesh and the like -- the fear is not of a
multi-decade rise in sea level, but of a typhoon or hurricane
surge that is higher than those in the past. The increase in
height need not be much, just enough to cause survivors to leave
the coast rather than stay.
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Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[I wrote:]
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I really do try
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In a warmer world, however, with changes in arable
landmass/location
Dan Minette wrote:
I don't see any real evidence for that. The global warming will
just continue...allowing for mass migrations to take place over
decades instead of months.
You mean, because of rising sea levels? Can someone explain to me
_why_ the sea levels would increase, if the
On 5/4/07, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Indeed, Gautam made a good argument here that environmental policy and
environmentalist claims is a major contributor to the death of 1
million/year due to malaria. The US used DDT as part of its elimination of
malaria. No human deaths were
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Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 1:57 PM
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Dan Minette wrote:
I don't see any real evidence for that. The global warming
On 4 May 2007, at 19:56, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Dan Minette wrote:
I don't see any real evidence for that. The global warming will
just continue...allowing for mass migrations to take place over
decades instead of months.
You mean, because of rising sea levels? Can someone explain to me
I can't quite tell, what is your exact claim about DDT here?
I think one can find several here.
1) DDT was used on a massive scale in the United States in the 20th century.
2) The use of DDT in the US, as well as other parts of the world was
strongly correlated with the decrease in insect
On 5/4/07, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't quite tell, what is your exact claim about DDT here?
snip
I also have the claim that, by spreading misinformation, those people who
originate and propagate false information are contributing to preventable
deaths that far exceed
Dan Minette wrote:
I also have the claim that, by spreading misinformation, those
people who originate and propagate false information are
contributing to preventable deaths that far exceed even the genocide
in Danfur.
Hope that's clear enough.
Are you suggesting that the purpose of
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From: Martin Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 20:49:28 +0100
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Re Cost of conservation
On 5/4/07, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't quite tell, what is your exact claim about DDT here?
snip
I found a couple more sources
http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/1999/19990120.unep1.html
quote
The POPs Elimination Network was a broad coalition of more than 150
environmental and public interest non-governmental organizations, he said.
Their core message was that the production, use,
At 12:57 PM Friday 5/4/2007, Dan Minette wrote:
While the present disposal plan isn't perfect, it is many orders of
magnitude better than this. The waste is placed in expensive barrels, and
put in a chamber in close to impermeable rock. It's not perfectly
impermeable, but the permeability is
At 01:42 PM Friday 5/4/2007, Martin Lewis wrote:
On 5/4/07, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Indeed, Gautam made a good argument here that environmental policy and
environmentalist claims is a major contributor to the death of 1
million/year due to malaria. The US used DDT as part of
At 04:17 PM Friday 5/4/2007, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Dan Minette wrote:
I also have the claim that, by spreading misinformation, those
people who originate and propagate false information are
contributing to preventable deaths that far exceed even the genocide
in Danfur.
Hope that's
At 02:49 PM Friday 5/4/2007, Martin Lewis wrote:
On 5/4/07, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't quite tell, what is your exact claim about DDT here?
snip
I also have the claim that, by spreading misinformation, those people who
originate and propagate false information are
Can someone explain to me _why_ the sea levels would increase, if
the evidence is that only the arctic ice will melt, and other ices
(Antarctica, for example) will grow due to increasing snowing? If
I can do the math, this means that sea levels will _decrease_.
The fear is not
On 5/4/2007 7:53:47 PM, Ronn! Blankenship
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
At 01:42 PM Friday 5/4/2007, Martin Lewis wrote:
On 5/4/07, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Indeed, Gautam made a good argument here that environmental
policy
and
environmentalist claims is a major
Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[I wrote:]
snip
I really do try to think about what I'm doing WRT
energy consumption; I'll bet that if everyone did
the
same or more (and there are those who make me look
like a glutton!), it *would* make a significant
impact.
Significant as
Keith Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dan M. wrote:
snip
The numbers that I've seen is that the US and
Europe, and other developed
countries have to drop to, essentially, the per
capita carbon consumption of
China...and China and India, etc. have to hold
their consumption at or below
At 12:00 PM 4/30/2007 -0700, Dan M. wrote:
snip
Having set this up, let's think of the cut that would be required to stop
global warming. Elsewhere you suggested boycotting China until they have a
more environmentally friendly policy. If I were Chinese, I'd counter that
this is an unreasonable
At 12:04 PM Tuesday 5/1/2007, Keith Henson wrote:
At 12:00 PM 4/30/2007 -0700, Dan M. wrote:
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Having set this up, let's think of the cut that would be required to stop
global warming. Elsewhere you suggested boycotting China until they have a
more environmentally friendly policy. If I
Ronn! wrote:
According to many radical greens: A good start.
And according to many religionists: Not nearly enough
Doug
Rapture maru
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