Re: New Telemarketing Tool Trumps TeleZapper

2003-03-05 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 03:30 PM 3/4/03 -0800, Deborah Harrell wrote: Might Someday Break Down And Get A Cell Phone Maru :) Then you can do things like pull into a friend's driveway, press the speed-dial button associated with his/her name, and when the machine answers, say, I'm right outside. Are you home?

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-05 Thread Doug Pensinger
Erik Reuter wrote: On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 11:45:39PM -0800, Doug Pensinger wrote: By the way, whatever you are doing now Marvin, it's wasted if you aren't employing the eloquence you often showcase on the list. I wish I could write half as well. I wish many of those writing for a living could

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-05 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 01:00:09AM -0600, Marvin Long, Jr. wrote: The third possibility is that one thinks Saddam doesn't deserve to be planet Earth's - or even the USA's - priority number one. It's arguable that, say, the world AIDS epidemic is a far more immediate threat in humanitarian

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-05 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 12:17:23AM -0800, Doug Pensinger wrote: But I see the thinking as wonderfully clear. I don't, and even Marvin said he didn't. Your logic misses the point that we have elevated Sadaam to a much higher level of importance than is necessary or desirable.

Re: 75% of Britons back war

2003-03-05 Thread Richard Baker
Rob said: Isn't the Sun one of the less reputable papers? It's about as disreputable as papers get. (It has weird standards for news importance too. It was, for example, one of the newspapers that considered a footballer having a small cut on his head to be a more important story than the Iraqi

Re: 75% of Britons back war

2003-03-05 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 4 Mar 2003 at 23:34, Robert Seeberger wrote: Isn't the Sun one of the less reputable papers? It's a tabloid. It's..well..sensationalist. But it doesn't LIE outright. A poll by Mori shows a significant ten per cent swing behind Mr Blair since he launched his campaign for public hearts and

Re: Clinton, Bush, Israel, Palestine

2003-03-05 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 5 Mar 2003 at 11:53, Halupovich Ilana wrote: Matt wrote Are you trying to say that the situation before Oslo was acceptable? Nobody in the political mainstream at the time would agree with you. Either you're ignoring how bad the situation was (such that the Oslo Peace Accords was viewed

Re: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie Soundtrack?]

2003-03-05 Thread Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo
From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ahh, GOTO. I remember what a big deal it was when they installed a new version of BASIC at the high school I was attending at the time, and it had two brand new commands (new for us, anyway); GOSUB and RETURN. The programming teachers immediately

Re: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie Soundtrack?]

2003-03-05 Thread Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] GOTO was the reason my father would not let me take programming in high school; all the programming classes were BASIC, except that if you'd had 2 courses of BASIC, you could then take Pascal. I didn't get to take a programming class until I could have one

Re: garbage patents

2003-03-05 Thread Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo
From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.macobserver.com/editorial/2003/03/04.2.shtml + pictures ___ Well, judging by the amount of money that Apple and Steve Jobbs lost by not having patents on their ideas, such as the GUI, etc. I'm not surprised

Re: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie Soundtrack?]

2003-03-05 Thread G. D. Akin
- Original Message - From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 1:28 AM Subject: RE: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie So undtrack?] From: G. D. Akin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Especially

Re: 75% of Britons back war

2003-03-05 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 3:08 AM Subject: Re: 75% of Britons back war Rob said: Isn't the Sun one of the less reputable papers? It's about as disreputable as papers get.

Re: garbage patents

2003-03-05 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:53 AM Subject: Re: garbage patents From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.macobserver.com/editorial/2003/03/04.2.shtml + pictures

Re: garbage patents

2003-03-05 Thread The Fool
From: Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.macobserver.com/editorial/2003/03/04.2.shtml + pictures ___ Well, judging by the amount of money that Apple and Steve Jobbs lost by not having patents

Latest Beatles News..

2003-03-05 Thread Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo
Hi again, John! Brin-L members probably won't find this interesting, but perhaps you will. Pass this on to your wife and family. I find the news regarding the recreation of the Rooftop Concert (the second item on the list) interesting, to say the least. Have fun!! :) --- Ringo

Re: Duplicate Messages

2003-03-05 Thread G. D. Akin
- Original Message - From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 5:50 AM Subject: RE: Duplicate Messages -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard Baker Sent:

Re: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/FantasyMovieSoundtrack?]

2003-03-05 Thread G. D. Akin
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:16 AM Subject: Re: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie Soundtrack?] Reggie Bautista wrote: George wrote: In my first

Re: br!n: it's 3-3-3, in 4-4-4 it will be 7-7-7

2003-03-05 Thread G. D. Akin
- Original Message - From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:59 AM Subject: Re: br!n: it's 3-3-3, in 4-4-4 it will be 7-7-7 G. D. Akin wrote: Okay, I want to play My Favorite Heinlein. Time Enough for

Re: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie Soundtrack?]

2003-03-05 Thread G. D. Akin
- Original Message - From: Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 7:41 PM Subject: Re: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie So undtrack?] From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ahh, GOTO. I remember what a

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-05 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 12:17 AM 3/5/2003 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote: You suggest that we should Promote a world organization that only allows membership to liberal democratic states but apparently fail to see that the present administration has squandered the best opportunity to establish such an institution.

Re: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie Soundtrack?]

2003-03-05 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 10:46:07AM +, Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote: Our curriculum leading up to the College Board's Computer Sciences AP Exam was more or less formatted the same way, up until about 3 or 4 years ago. Then they switched BASIC to PASCAL, and C would be the ultimate objective

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-05 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 07:20:17AM -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote: What opportunity? What nations would have supported such an insitution as the arbiter of the solution for Iraq? I doubt that even France or Germany would have done so, to say nothing of Iraq's neighbors. Bush could have spent

Re: Total Information Awareness

2003-03-05 Thread The Fool
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/nj/taylor2003-02-25.htm A very good article on TIA and why it is a good idea. I give this article an F, for poor rhetoric, propaganda techniques, misleading examples. TIA is another bad idea.

Re: garbage patents

2003-03-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 5:42 AM Subject: Re: garbage patents From: Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: it's 3-3-3, in 4-4-4 it will be 7-7-7

2003-03-05 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Dan Minette wrote: My favorite is still The Moon is a Harsh Mistress Me too. One of the first cyberpunk books Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Doctorow on p2p

2003-03-05 Thread The Fool
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/policy/2003/02/24/perspectives.html ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

RE: Duplicate Messages

2003-03-05 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of G. D. Akin ... At the risk of coming in at the tail end of this conversation, I will tell you I had one of these exams a year or so back. The real fun is the 24-hour period preparing for the exam ;-)

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 1:35 AM Subject: Re: Who is the sheriff? On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 01:00:09AM -0600, Marvin Long, Jr. wrote: The third possibility is that one thinks

Re: garbage patents

2003-03-05 Thread William T Goodall
On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 11:42 am, The Fool wrote: From: Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.macobserver.com/editorial/2003/03/04.2.shtml + pictures ___ Well, judging by the amount of money that

Re: garbage patents

2003-03-05 Thread William T Goodall
On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 11:40 am, Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:53 AM Subject: Re: garbage patents From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-05 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 08:21:23AM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: But, you assume your conclusion in your basic statement. If you slide the assumption that you are right into the framing of the question, then it is trivial to prove your argument. I think the key question is: what defines

Re: garbage patents

2003-03-05 Thread Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 05:40:17 -0600 Well, judging by the amount of money that Apple and Steve Jobbs lost by not having patents on their ideas, such as the GUI, etc. I'm not surprised they are *finally* trying to secure their piece of the pie. Had they

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-05 Thread Robert J. Chassell
Ah yes, enforcing UN resolutions. Another example of inconsistency in America's policies... According to the UN Web site: http://www.un.org/News/ossg/sanction.htm The Security Council has invoked Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter to impose sanctions in fourteen

Re: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie Soundtrack?]

2003-03-05 Thread Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo
From: G. D. Akin [EMAIL PROTECTED] GOTO as well. Anybody remember the term spaghetti code? JJ An how. My instructors had no qualms about GOTOs in languages that had no other way to implement the standard control structure. However, they had BIG qualms about the uncontrolled use of GOTOs.

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:28 AM Subject: Re: Who is the sheriff? But it does. As you said, it is trivial to prove, by definition. You have a valid argument about the possible

Re: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie Soundtrack?]

2003-03-05 Thread Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's odd. I took Computer Science AP in 1988 and we used Pascal. Is your AP Exam different than ours (mainland US)? Or did it switch from Pascal to BASIC and back after I took it? That's odd indeed. I remember when I started teaching (late 80's) when BASIC

The free-rider threat

2003-03-05 Thread Gautam Mukunda
http://nationaljournal.com/taylor.htm The title of the article is How Free-Riding French, Germans Risk Nuclear Anarchy. It's a very good point. I would say that compared to the American public, I'm six sigma out there in terms of internationalist feelings. And at the moment, if Yugoslavia were

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-05 Thread Robert J. Chassell
I was referring to the US being inconsistent when it comes to making sure that UN resolutions are carried out. The US demands that Iraq abides by UN resolutions, and says it will use military force if Iraq doesn't comply. However, I know a certain country that after

ACLU: Section-by-Section Analysis of Domestic Security EnhancementAct

2003-03-05 Thread The Fool
http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=11835c=206 Long. The Department of Justice (DOJ) has been drafting comprehensive anti-terrorism legislation for the past several months. The draft legislation, dated January 9, 2003, grants sweeping powers to the government, eliminating or

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-05 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Overstatement. A coalition was forged before, so it can be again. Will it be easy? No. But that's not a reason not to try. No, it really wasn't an overstatement. Do you have _any_ evidence that a coalition can be forged again. I mean, any at

Apple invented the mouse

2003-03-05 Thread William T Goodall
...as we knew it for nearly two decades. The universal design of a rubber-coated ball-bearing, orthogonal pinch rollers, and optical disk encoders was developed by Apple for the Lisa and Macintosh projects and has little resemblance to Englebart's mouse, or the Xerox mouse.

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-05 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding of the 17th was that there was an implied clearance for military action if Iraq failed to cooperate...? Is that incorrect? No, that is correct. That's exactly what 1441 said. Actually, it said that anything short of full and

Re: Apple invented the mouse

2003-03-05 Thread Jon Gabriel
I always thought the mouse was the product of several million years of mammalian evolution? *rimshot* Jon From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brin-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Apple invented the mouse Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:32:38

Re: garbage patents

2003-03-05 Thread Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo
From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bullshit. Both Jobs and gates stole those idea's from xerox. IP is a bad idea. Historical footnote: It should be noted that according to the tv movie of the book Pirates of Silicone Valley, Steve Jobbs motto at the time he started was: Good artists copy. Great

Re: 75% of Britons back war

2003-03-05 Thread Steve Sloan II
Robert Seeberger wrote: In a bizarre twist Saddam blasted President Bush as the despot of the century - a label usually reserved for the Iraqi dictator himself. Saddam's a better trash-talker than most pro wrestlers! ;-) The Masked Butcher of Baghdad Maru

Re: Enough, children

2003-03-05 Thread Steve Sloan II
Robert Seeberger wrote: THE spoof Google search doing the rounds in Washington, DC, runs: Your search-French military victories-did not match any documents. No pages were found. Did you mean French military defeats? An affable Frenchman might merely find it odd that Napoleon is unknown in

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-05 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 08:52:06AM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] But it does. As you said, it is trivial to prove, by definition. You have a valid argument about the possible costs, but if you are still opposing a policy that has a high success of removing

Re: Enough, children

2003-03-05 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Steve Sloan II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Seeberger wrote: THE spoof Google search doing the rounds in Washington, DC, runs: Your search-French military victories-did not match any documents. No pages were found. Did you mean French military defeats? An affable Frenchman

The color of money

2003-03-05 Thread Jon Gabriel
Coming in 2003: color. Color is coming to U.S. paper money  http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/841864.asp Excerpt:  New designs will start with $20 bill  ASSOCIATED PRESS WASHINGTON, Dec. 1 ?  The last time Andrew Jackson got a makeover, he ended up with a big head, slightly off-center. This time, he

Re: garbage patents

2003-03-05 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: garbage patents Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 17:29:46 + From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bullshit. Both Jobs and gates stole those idea's from xerox. IP is a bad idea.

Re: Enough, children

2003-03-05 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 10:06:01AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: are there boots named Wellingtons, or something like that? Got it in one! I remember when I was in England, I heard more than one person call his boots Wellingtons. This is confirmed by a web search. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL

Re: Enough, children

2003-03-05 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Enough, children Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:06:01 -0800 (PST) --- Steve Sloan II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Seeberger wrote: THE spoof Google

Re: Doctorow on p2p

2003-03-05 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/policy/2003/02/24/perspectives.html OK, as soon as I can get a copy of the novel in paperback, I will. (I can't read the same thing on-screen for too long, or I get terrible headaches. As soon as there's some kind of electronic book that

Re: Apple invented the mouse

2003-03-05 Thread William T Goodall
On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 05:08 pm, Nick Arnett wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of William T Goodall Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:33 AM To: Brin-L Subject: Apple invented the mouse ...as we knew it for nearly two decades. The

Re: Apple invented the mouse

2003-03-05 Thread Julia Thompson
The mammal doesn't have a rubber-coated ball bearing. However, if you could produce an example of a mammal containing a rubber-coated ball bearing, we could rename the pointing device after *that*. :) Julia Jon Gabriel wrote: I always thought the mouse was the product of several

Re: Enough, children

2003-03-05 Thread Julia Thompson
Gautam Mukunda wrote: I am confused about one thing - maybe our British readers can help out? Wellington (my favorite general) is referred to here as a British footware designer. Now, the Blucher, a man's shoe, is named after and was sort of designed by Marshal Blucher, the Prussian

Re: Doctorow on p2p

2003-03-05 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Doctorow on p2p Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 12:42:34 -0600 The Fool wrote: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/policy/2003/02/24/perspectives.html OK, as soon as

Re: Enough, children

2003-03-05 Thread Richard Baker
Gautam said: The Complete Military History of France Not quite. You've missed a few here: * Charles Martel defeats the armies of Islam invading France from Spain, thus preserving Europe for Christianity in one of the most significant turning points in world history. * Charlemagne carves out

RE: V-I Day +1 - endgame scenarios?

2003-03-05 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
-Original Message- From: Bryon Daly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 03:07 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: V-I Day +1 - endgame scenarios? Miller, Jeffrey wrote: Do you consider the inspection process to be truly ineffective, even given

RE: V-I Day +1 - endgame scenarios?

2003-03-05 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
-Original Message- From: Robert Seeberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 08:05 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: V-I Day +1 - endgame scenarios? Untrue. Both times that I am aware of it was reported on the news and in the papers and people

RE: Duplicate Messages

2003-03-05 Thread Horn, John
From: Nick Arnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 1:50 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: RE: Duplicate Messages -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Horn, John Does anyone else get duplicate message

RE: Duplicate Messages

2003-03-05 Thread Horn, John
From: Nick Arnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Let's have no more of that kind of talk. Kaiser just called to tell me that my doctor wants me to have a sigmoidoscopy. A *flexible* sigmoidoscopy. If there's a kind that isn't flexible, I don't want to know about it. Don't make me the

NYT on a Democratic Iraq

2003-03-05 Thread Gautam Mukunda
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/02/magazine/02IRAQ.html My friend George Packer has a very good article in the NYTimes Magazine on the prospects for a democratic Iraq after the war (not that good, is a short version of his conclusion). It's very good - I think everyone on both sides of the debate

Re: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie Soundtrack?]

2003-03-05 Thread Han Tacoma
On Tue Mar 4 18:42:38 PST 2003, Reggie Bautista wrote: Han Tacoma wrote: On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 21:32:36 -0600 Reggie Bautista gives me a well deserved lecture about the list's netiquette: [...snip...] I wasn't trying to lecture, just inform :-) Just jesting, thanks though :-) [...snip...]

Re: Enough, children

2003-03-05 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hm. This post tells me that Gautam never read any of the Paddington books by Michael Bond ;) Paddington was described as wearing Wellington boots at some point in the first book, and I think maybe he wore them in some of the subsequent

Brin-L Chat Reminder

2003-03-05 Thread Steve Sloan II
This is just a quick reminder that the Wednesday Brin-L chat is scheduled for 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time, so it's beginning now. There will probably be somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. See my instruction page for help

RE: Duplicate Messages

2003-03-05 Thread Horn, John
From: Richard Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] John said: Don't know if this is a problem on my end or the list end... If it's at your end, it's at my end too. Rich GCU Not Too Bothered I'm not bugged by it too much either. After a while I just thought I'd say something to see if

RE: Apple invented the mouse

2003-03-05 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of William T Goodall ... What about great artists ship? - the Xerox mouses cost $400 each (in 1980 money) and the Xerox Star cost $20,000 each or so. Nobody was going to change the world with those

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-05 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 17:53 4-3-2003 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: He's referring to Israel and the UN resolution condemning the Israeli settlements in disputed territories. (I don't remember off the top of my head what number resolution that is.) I'm not really sure that there is a resolution that does that.

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-05 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 21:44 4-3-2003 -0500, John Giorgis wrote: Peace is well and good. Anyone here opposed to peace? Anyone? I am! Well, guess that makes it official then. You are a warmonger. GRIN So was Ivanova. And Sheriden. You must have been watching a different version of _Babylon 5_ than I have. I

Dedicated protester

2003-03-05 Thread Julia Thompson
This is the most extreme thing I've heard of so far. http://makeashorterlink.com/?I67D522B3 Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-05 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 21:44 4-3-2003 -0500, John Giorgis wrote: Peace is well and good. Anyone here opposed to peace? Anyone? I am! Well, guess that makes it official then. You are a warmonger. GRIN So was Ivanova. And Sheriden. I'm in good company, Maru. Hitler, Napoleon, Mussolini, Djhengis Kahn (sp), a

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-05 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 22:13 4-3-2003 -0500, John Giorgis wrote: John Kill Iraqis, Not Babies Giorgis What about Iraqi babies? Eh don't kill those. ;-) So, are America's smart bombs smart enough yet to distinguish between Iraqi troops, Iraqi adult civilians, and Iraqi babies? Jeroen Make love, not war van

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:31 PM Subject: Re: Who is the sheriff? At 17:53 4-3-2003 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: He's referring to Israel and the UN resolution condemning

Brin Book Analysis

2003-03-05 Thread Jon Gabriel
I keep forgetting to post this: There were no additional votes last week, so Dr. Brin's Earth has won. Now for the hard part... :) Jon Chrichton: You ever hear of K. F. C.? Akkor: K.F.C.? Chrichton: It is, to my knowledge, unique in the universe and unique is always valuable.  Now... we have

Re: Dedicated protester

2003-03-05 Thread Steve Sloan II
Julia Thompson wrote: This is the most extreme thing I've heard of so far. http://makeashorterlink.com/?I67D522B3 She obviously misses the point. If she could bring us *Saddam* to crucify, *then* that might help. __ Steve

Re: Latest Beatles News..

2003-03-05 Thread Steve Sloan II
Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote: Paul McCartney is reportedly planning to recreate The Beatles final gig on the rooftop of their old London studios. SNIP What's your take on the concert? I feel kinda stupid myself, because I didn't realize that the B-Sharps' final rooftop concert on Simpsons was a

Re: V-I Day +1 - endgame scenarios?

2003-03-05 Thread Bryon Daly
Miller, Jeffrey wrote: My thought is that it's pretty easy to hide a bio-warfare (or even nuke) research lab in a country the size of Texas, when there's only a few hundred heavily-supervised inspectors to search the whole country, and where peoples' silence is easily bought with death

Re: V-I Day +1 - endgame scenarios?

2003-03-05 Thread Steve Sloan II
Miller, Jeffrey wrote: Where abouts are you located, out of curiosity? I've noticed a trend amongst my friends that people in BosNYWash, Texas, and LA seem to be concerned about this, but the rest of the country (even Seattle, a likely first strike target of N Korea, if it comes to that) aren't

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:51 PM Subject: Re: Who is the sheriff? The US is very consistent. Clinton convinced Israel to make unprecedented concessions in order to implement

The Jonathan B. Postel Service Award

2003-03-05 Thread Han Tacoma
I'm sort of out of circulation and thought maybe somebody here knows someone worthy of being nominated for the Jonathan B. Postel Service Award http://www.isoc.org/awards/ Deadline for nominations is 23 April 2003 . Cheers! -- Han Tacoma ~ Artificial Intelligence is better than none! ~

Re: V-I Day +1 - endgame scenarios?

2003-03-05 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 04:04:38PM -0500, Bryon Daly wrote: I think that this war will cost us billions, which we will not recoup, just as we didn't in the GW. Wrong. The Gulf War cost America relatively little since our allies reimbursed us for most of the bill. I saw the numbers recently in

Re: Dedicated protester

2003-03-05 Thread Julia Thompson
Steve Sloan II wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: This is the most extreme thing I've heard of so far. http://makeashorterlink.com/?I67D522B3 She obviously misses the point. If she could bring us *Saddam* to crucify, *then* that might help. Yes. This was so far out, IMO, it needed

RE: garbage patents

2003-03-05 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo ... I haven't read the book Pirates of Silicone Valley, btw. I wonder if it's any good, or if it's really historically accurate. But the movie does shed a lot of light on the

Re: V-I Day +1 - endgame scenarios?

2003-03-05 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: V-I Day +1 - endgame scenarios? Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:37:56 -0500 On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 04:04:38PM -0500, Bryon Daly wrote: I think that this war will

Re: V-I Day +1 - endgame scenarios?

2003-03-05 Thread Bryon Daly
Erik Reuter wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 04:04:38PM -0500, Bryon Daly wrote: I think that this war will cost us billions, which we will not recoup, just as we didn't in the GW. Wrong. The Gulf War cost America relatively little since our allies reimbursed us for most of the bill. I saw

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:58 AM Subject: Re: Who is the sheriff? On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 08:52:06AM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] But it

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-05 Thread Paul Walker
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 08:07:47AM -0500, Erik Reuter wrote: this. I'm sure there are many more. The point is that Bush has a bad reputation as as arrogant and cowboy for a reason, and that is bad for America and bad for the world. Bush needs to pay more attention to persuading people around

Re: Who is the sheriff?

2003-03-05 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 04:26:31PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 08:52:06AM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] But it does. As you said, it is trivial to prove, by definition. You have a valid

Re: Computer Languages

2003-03-05 Thread Alberto Monteiro
JJ wrote: That's odd indeed. I remember when I started teaching (late 80's) when BASIC was the standard. It may have been a regional thing, though. Then, I got a notice from the College Board annouuncing the big switch to PASCAL. On a tangential note, I recently noticed that everybody in my

Re: Computer Languages

2003-03-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 9:41 AM Subject: Re: Computer Languages On a tangential note, I recently noticed that everybody in my work subteam is qualified with a C language

RE: Duplicate Messages

2003-03-05 Thread Reggie Bautista
Nick wrote: It's Zimmie's dittoes. John H. replied: Are they black or green? Let's just hope they're not frankies ;-) Reggie Bautista Feeling a Bit Green Today Myself Maru _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*.

Re: garbage patents

2003-03-05 Thread Reggie Bautista
Jose wrote: Historical footnote: It should be noted that according to the tv movie of the book Pirates of Silicone Valley, Jon wrote: *grin* Gotta love the California obsession with breast implants. :) Silicon Valley will never look the same to me now. I have this mental image of a Pirates of

Re: V-I Day +1 - endgame scenarios?

2003-03-05 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 05:10:16PM -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: Is that estimate only for the cost of actual combat or does it also take into account the outlay of the peacekeeping role we'll have to play afterwards? I think it takes into account a lot of stuff, but they quote 5-year rebuilding

Re: V-I Day +1 - endgame scenarios?

2003-03-05 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 05:13:56PM -0500, Bryon Daly wrote: Wow, I didn't know that. By allies, do you may the other countries that helped do the fighting, or the arab nations like Saudi and Kuwait? I don't remember the full list of countries, but I think it included Japan, Saudi Arabia,

RE: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie Soundtrack?]

2003-03-05 Thread Horn, John
From: Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I remember clearly how much of a big NONO our programming teachers made with GOTO as well. Anybody remember the term spaghetti code? When they banned GOTO, I showed 'em! I changed all my code to just say GO! - jmh

Re: garbage patents

2003-03-05 Thread Gautam Mukunda
From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] Historical footnote: It should be noted that according to the tv movie of the book Pirates of Silicone Valley, Steve Jobbs motto at the time he started was: Good artists copy. Great artists steal. Later in that same movie, it becomes Bill Gates motto as

Re: 75% of Britons back war

2003-03-05 Thread Reggie Bautista
Robert Seeberger wrote: In a bizarre twist Saddam blasted President Bush as the despot of the century - a label usually reserved for the Iraqi dictator himself. Steve replied: Saddam's a better trash-talker than most pro wrestlers! ;-) Maybe we should send a SEAL team into Iraq with Jesse

RE: br!n: it's 3-3-3, in 4-4-4 it will be 7-7-7

2003-03-05 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
-Original Message- From: Reggie Bautista [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 03:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: br!n: it's 3-3-3, in 4-4-4 it will be 7-7-7 Doug wrote: Stranger in a Strange Land. But I read it nearly 30 years ago so I'm

Re: Latest Beatles News..

2003-03-05 Thread Reggie Bautista
Jose wrote: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/030227/4/du7kl.html Paul McCartney is reportedly planning to recreate The Beatles final gig on the rooftop of their old London studios. [snip] What's your take on the concert? As much as I like The Beatles, I've never been much of a fan of McCartney's solo

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