Thanks a lot for that one.
Regards
Armin Freiberg
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Also, the idea that permitting same-sex couples to form legal civil
marriages will somehow negatively impact on heterosexual marriages is the
worst kind of hysterical irrationality. Is there some finite number of
marriages permitted in the physical universe, so that we
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At 09:19 AM 7/7/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 01:23 PM 7/4/03 -0400, David Hobby wrote:
iaamoac wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you want a serious discussion of religion, we should
Agnostic means not knowing, right? I don't really
see that there is much to DISAGREE with there. You might personally
KNOW, but should be open to the possibility that others don't.
I'm not sure what you are getting at in the last paragraph. Let's change
the topic
At 07:46 AM 7/8/03 -0400, David Hobby wrote:
Agnostic means not knowing, right? I don't really
see that there is much to DISAGREE with there. You might personally
KNOW, but should be open to the possibility that others don't.
I'm not sure what you are getting at in the
On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 07:24:01PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote:
I can understand you seeing it that way, but I think the difference
is in how we each approach the problem. Each of us is engineering an
elevator using bungee cord for cable. You are engineering it with
a mind to exaggerate
Bryon Daly wrote:
Seems I'm not alone in thinking the ST franchise is being run into the
ground...
http://www.activision.com/en_US/news_article_cc/a2d66498-9dde-49c0-ade0-fde70b0caab9.html
Sorry, no snippet from this link - oddly, my browser won't let my copy the
text off the page.
Try
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...
Let me ask you this, Dan. If morals/ethics are purely a matter of
faith, and the rules as set forth by a god, why aren't they constant?
Why are slavery, human sacrifice,
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Behalf Of Doug Pensinger
...
The second part (altruism is an outcome of
evolution) is circular, since it assumes that our characteristics are
derived exclusively from evolutionary processes. Even if true,
it
I read a resume of _The Chronicles of Riddick_ [not sure if this
is the English title], featuring Vin Diesel in the continuation of
_Eclipse something_.
It sounds like a Jijo ripoff: the guy crashes in a multicultural planet
that is at the same time invaded by a fanatic race.
Alberto Monteiro
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From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I read a resume of _The Chronicles of Riddick_ [not sure if this
is the English title], featuring Vin Diesel in the continuation of
_Eclipse something_.
The first movie was released as _Pitch Black_ in the US. It's one of my
favorite recent SF flicks, and
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: brin: the Chronicles of Riddick look like a Jijo ripoff :-/
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 14:44:21 -
I read a resume of _The Chronicles of Riddick_ [not sure if
Isn't the reasonable response to imperfect knowledge to rationally (or
scientifically) search for more knowledge, or to work on improving the
accuracy of the knowledge you do have?
Why do you think a reasonable response to imperfect knowledge is to
assume that there exists some divine being for
From: Jon Gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This brings up an interesting question: Who do y'all think
would the ideal cast of characters be for either an Uplift War
or Startide Rising movie?
(Jon, this is not personal. It is just something that I have to say. I
can't hold it in though
Doug wrote:
I see our morals evolving before our very eyes, don't you?
Depends on what exactly you mean by our morals evolving.
Some would say that right and wrong haven't changed, but our understanding
of right and wrong has, just as gravity has been the same for the past 12
billion years but
Jon Gabriel wrote:
This brings up an interesting question: Who do y'all think
would the ideal cast of characters be for either an Uplift War
or Startide Rising movie?
John Horn replied:
(Jon, this is not personal. It is just something that I have to say. I
can't hold it in though I know I
JDG wrote:
Since true atheism would require a matter
of faith -
William T. Goodall replied:
No it doesn't. All of this has been gone over many many times on this list
and you obviously have never paid the least bit of attention, yet you have
the discourtesy to interject your nonsense despite not
Ronn! wrote:
So I guess the question becomes Which is the more neutral position,
the one that recognizes that belief and rationality are two different
characteristics, or the one which says that all believers are
irrational?
Erik replied:
That it a very different question, and not nearly as
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 12:54 PM 7/7/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
Many conservatives belong to the religious right. I've had someone
throwing Leviticus at me on this issue.
I hope they at least tore it out before they did so, rather than throwing
all 66 books at you, which might
Horn, John wrote:
rant mode
Does anyone else *HATE* these sorts of discussions as much as I do? They
are so unbelievably pointless! I've never understood why people engage in
these discussions. After years of enduring endless threads who would would
be the best Gandalf on
From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John Horn replied:
rant mode
Does anyone else *HATE* these sorts of discussions as much as I do? They
are so unbelievably pointless!
John, I have to respectfully disagree with you.
I usually enjoy discussions like this. You learn a lot about people, and
Bryon wrote:
I don't think that
casting a novel is all that much more pointless than, say, discussing
how Glorfindel, killed in the Silmarillion, is alive and well to assist
Frodo et al
on the way to Rivendell.
The movie sidestepped that one nicely :-)
Reggie Bautista
On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 03:44 pm, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
I read a resume of _The Chronicles of Riddick_ [not sure if this
is the English title], featuring Vin Diesel in the continuation of
_Eclipse something_.
It sounds like a Jijo ripoff: the guy crashes in a multicultural planet
that is
On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 08:24 pm, Reggie Bautista wrote:
JDG wrote:
Since true atheism would require a matter
of faith -
William T. Goodall replied:
No it doesn't. All of this has been gone over many many times on this
list and you obviously have never paid the least bit of attention,
yet
William T. Goodall wrote:
Yes it has. Apparently you were not paying attention.
Cite, please?
Reggie Bautista
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Erik Reuter
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:24 AM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: No conflicts between selfishness and morality?
Isn't the reasonable response to imperfect knowledge to rationally
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 02:47:42PM -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
Behalf Of Erik Reuter
But apparently, Nick, you don't want to always strive closer to
perfect knowledge, you feel better when you add some comforting
belief which is actually imperfect, poor quality knowledge.
Phooey. I've
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Erik Reuter wrote:
In other words, is it easier for a
neutral-rational person to adopt
an extreme-irrational position, or for an
extreme-irrational person
to adopt a neutral-rational position? Interesting
question.
And
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 03:33:29PM -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote:
It is not a comfortable one: the tb's lose the specialness of being
Graced by the Gift of Faith, and the aa's simply are unable to
'sense the spiritual,' rather like being unable to distinguish red
from green.
I don't find that
The first movie was released as _Pitch Black_ in the US. It's
one of my
favorite recent SF flicks, and I'm very glad they're making a sequel
(prequel?); it was a nicely gritty and (somewhat) realistic
From the Sci-Fi Wire
Riddick Starts Up
Principal photography commenced July 1 on
I
Could the Week Anthropic Principle be the hypothesis that the Earth was
created in seven days?
The world was created in seven days, but it took 14 billion years or so for
the OSHA and EPA paperwork to go through.
William Taylor
-
The weak as if I cared
princple.
This is a good news/bad news kind of thing, good that the sci-fi channel
has some great ratings, sad at what it was that gave them the great
ratings (I am not including Stargate in that statement)
SCI FI Has Record Ratings
he SCI FI Channel reported that it drew record ratings in the second
From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Why we cast novels
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 14:09:15 -0500
Jon Gabriel wrote:
This brings up an interesting question: Who do y'all think
would the ideal cast of characters be
Jon Gabriel wrote:
Honestly, it was just something that popped into my head during lunch. It's
not earthshatteringly important by any means. I just personally find the
irrational/rational/religion/sports/atheist/fundamentalist thread somewhat
snoozeworthy. :) 'course, that's just my
In a message dated 7/8/2003 6:09:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Julia Thompson [EMAIL
PROTECTED] writes:
Speaking of sports, anyone else following the Tour de France? If anyone
who knows more about cycling than I do (which isn't very much, aside
from having read Lance Armstrong's _It's Not About
habitats that are wider than they are long are intrinsically stable
I'm having trouble visualizing any of this. When you say 'longer than they
are wide' do you mean like a cigarette or a can? And you are saying a
habitat that is more like a wheel is more stable, right?
Right.
Robert J. Chassell wrote:
...
For those figuring out the air pressure question, would there be
differences if
a) the structure was disc like, completely open on the inside
(other than support structures)
b) wheel like, with the rim having air and four (or x) spokes
At 09:41 AM 7/8/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 08:42:43AM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I hope I haven't been guilty of yelling at anyone in the past, and I will
Not that I know of.
try not to do so in the future. If I feel I have something to
contribute, I will try to
At 08:46 AM 7/8/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
Bryon Daly wrote:
Seems I'm not alone in thinking the ST franchise is being run into the
ground...
http://www.activision.com/en_US/news_article_cc/a2d66498-9dde-49c0-ade0-fde70b0caab9.html
Sorry, no snippet from this link - oddly, my browser
I wrote:
You can learn a lot about a person by how they would cast a movie.
Jon replied:
So what do you deduce about the director of Riddick based on his choices?
:)
Hmm... probably Vin Diesel had as much to say about casting, being a
producer on this project from what I understand. And really,
- Original Message -
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Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: Spider space elevator? (was: US-based missiles
tohaveglobalreach)
On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 07:24:01PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote:
Bryon Daly wrote:
I think the *real* problem is that the gay marriage opponents have the
dreaded slippery slope fear that if gay marriage is legiimized, then next
will come other gay civil rights, etc., and soon they won't be able to
discriminate against gays at all! The horror! (and yes,
Joshua Bell wrote:
The first movie was released as _Pitch Black_ in the US. It's one of my
favorite recent SF flicks, and I'm very glad they're making a sequel
(prequel?);
Sequel. Riddick dies in the _Pitch Black_ movie, remember? :-)
it was a nicely gritty and (somewhat) realistic SF
JDG said that atheism requires faith. I both agree and disagree with that
statement.
For an atheist to say I don't believe that any sort of god exists, because
I have seen no evidence of the existence of any god. Requires no faith at
all. They are only stating that they don't believe something
Nick Arnett wrote:
Doug wrote:
I see our morals evolving before our very eyes, don't you?
The existence of evolution, whether in biology, morality or whatever,
doesn't rule out the existence of God, does it?
No, not necessarily, but it trumps the need for any kind of faith to
understand
Reggie Bautista wrote:
Depends on what exactly you mean by our morals evolving.
Some would say that right and wrong haven't changed, but our
understanding of right and wrong has, just as gravity has been the same
for the past 12 billion years but our understanding of gravity has changed.
So
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 07:37:35PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote:
Pretty much what I said in the last post. The biggest difference
between us is that you seem to take all this discussion very very
seriously as if your self esteem was at stake. I suppose thats why
you seem to want to turn
In a message dated 7/8/2003 5:42:54 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
one-ups-manship pissing matches.
No one wins a pissing match when both are dropping, tied by their feet to a
bungee cord.
___
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 07:33:28PM -0600, Michael Harney wrote:
For an atheist to say There is no god, and people who believe in any
god or gods are just deluding themselves. Requires faith. This
statement, while
On the other hand, a slight change
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 08:48:07PM -0600, Michael Harney wrote:
Wrong, that's faith based as well. The problem with that wording
is that there *is* evidence of a god. Documentation and reports of
apparitions, stigmata, healing of uncurable conditions through
prayer, other miracles, personal
- Original Message -
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: On the topic of atheism.
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 07:33:28PM -0600, Michael Harney wrote:
For an atheist to say There is no god, and
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 10:01:36PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote:
But if one is describing a being that is omnipotent, omniscient,
eternal, and infinite, then minds such as ours could not encompass
even the scope of such a being.
Speak for yourself, man! My mind is certainly capable of the
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 08:48:07PM -0600, Michael Harney wrote:
Wrong, that's faith based as well. The problem with that wording
is that there *is* evidence of a god. Documentation and reports of
apparitions, stigmata, healing of uncurable
Nick Arnett wrote:
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Doug Pensinger
That makes little sense to me, could you step me through how (pseudo)
altruism is circular?
It starts with the premise that our characteristics are the result of
evolution
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From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: Spider space elevator? (was: US-based missiles
tohaveglobalreach)
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 07:37:35PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote:
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From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: On the topic of atheism.
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 10:01:36PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote:
But if one is describing a being that is
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 09:31:01PM -0600, Michael Harney wrote:
The statement is flawed. Saying a person is deluding themself simply
because the evidence they make their judgement on is unscientific is
wrong. If an atheist wants to say There is no scientific evidence of
any god therefore
Gary Nunn wrote:
The channel's SCI FI Fridays block of original programming
made it the highest-rated network on all basic cable for the
night among males 25-54. The block featured the seventh-season
launch of Stargate SG-1 and new first-season episodes of
Tremors: The Series and Scare
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 10:54:13PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote:
Certainly, but neither your mind or mine can *be* those things.
Human minds are capable of abstraction. One's mind need not be infinite
to understand the concept of infinity.
I don't think that a gerbil could model human
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 11:07:22PM -0500, Steve Sloan II wrote:
I would be very interested to know how much of those ratings came from
Stargate (their last surviving serious SF show), how much came from
Tremors (mediocre, occasionally cute, but not evil), and how much came
from the truly evil
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Joshua Bell wrote:
it was a nicely gritty and (somewhat) realistic SF world
Not it was not. There's no stable orbit between two stars.
OTOH, it looked like Lovecraft visiting Nightfall
Ah, not the astrophysics or orbital mechanics; I meant the
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 08:46 AM 7/8/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
Bryon Daly wrote:
Seems I'm not alone in thinking the ST franchise is being run into the
ground...
http://www.activision.com/en_US/news_article_cc/a2d66498-9dde-49c0-ade0-fde70b0caab9.html
Sorry, no
At 01:20 AM 7/9/03 -0400, Bryon Daly wrote:
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 08:46 AM 7/8/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
Bryon Daly wrote:
Seems I'm not alone in thinking the ST franchise is being run into the
ground...
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 7/8/2003 6:09:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, Julia
Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Speaking of sports, anyone else following the Tour de France? If anyone
who knows more about cycling than I do (which isn't very much, aside
from having read Lance
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