Re: One Flu over the Cookoo's Nest

2004-10-21 Thread Keith Henson
At 10:57 PM 20/10/04 -0700, Doug wrote: They could, of course, salvage the whole lot by treating it with radiation. Keith Think the shortage of flu vaccine is just bad luck? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18795-2004Oct8.html Britain: U.S. Told Of Vaccine Shortage LONDON, Oct. 8 --

Re: And in other news...

2004-10-21 Thread JDG
At 11:01 PM 10/20/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: No casualties? White House disputes Robertson comment http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/19/robertson.bush.iraq/ Robertson, an ardent Bush supporter, told CNN in an interview Tuesday night that he urged the president to prepare the American

Re: One Flu over the Cookoo's Nest

2004-10-21 Thread JDG
At 10:57 PM 10/20/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: Think the shortage of flu vaccine is just bad luck? Lately many liberals have suggested that the US government should use its buying power to try and drive down prescription drug prices and lower profits.I think that it is worth considering

Re: Brin: Second Salvo

2004-10-21 Thread JDG
At 07:58 AM 10/18/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote: At 04:06 PM 10/16/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote: But let's be fair. If infanticide were legal, a ten % drop in the rate would not stop you from being boiling mad. The real problem isn't pragmatic but philosophical. As romantics, each neocon

Re: U.S. Presidents by military service

2004-10-21 Thread JDG
At 06:05 PM 10/20/2004 -0700 Dave Land wrote: JDG - Amazing how Democrats have suddenly discovered an interest in Presidential military service in the past five years - but *I'm* the shill on this List, Maru IMO, it is a subject that has been in the air for months lately. A little

Re: Brin: Second Salvo

2004-10-21 Thread JDG
At 09:54 PM 10/18/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote: Stopping baby killers (without ever doing anything to help the babies you then stick poor moms with) This is just plain false. Pro-Life activists donate extensively to Crisis Pregnancy Centers, and charities that supply single mothers with

RE: One Flu over the Cookoo's Nest

2004-10-21 Thread Horn, John
Behalf Of JDG Lately many liberals have suggested that the US government should use its buying power to try and drive down prescription drug prices and lower profits.I think that it is worth considering what consequences this same policy has wrought in the market for flu vaccines -

Re: Brin: Second Salvo

2004-10-21 Thread David Brin
I am sure that even you would agree, Dr. Brin, that there are some situations that do not call for pragmatic compromise. I agree with that leading statements, though it all depends on the pragmatic tradeoffs. Read LeGuin's Those who walk away from Omelas. Indeed, there are many times to

Re: Brin: Second Salvo

2004-10-21 Thread David Brin
JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:54 PM 10/18/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote: Stopping baby killers (without ever doing anything to help the babies you then stick poor moms with) This is just plain false. Pro-Life activists donate extensively to Crisis Pregnancy Centers, and charities that

Certainty (was Re: U.S. Presidents by military service)

2004-10-21 Thread Nick Arnett
JDG wrote: No, that's only half of it - that's the flip. The flip-flop is when you flip, and then go back - or in Kerry's case on the Iraq war, go back, and go back, and go back It's been said by many others, but perhaps it needs to be said here -- it's not hard to use the record of just

Re: Br!n: Second Salvo

2004-10-21 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 7:32 PM Subject: Re: Brin: Second Salvo On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 05:55:11PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: But, aren't Supreme Court rulings part of the

Castro stumbles, falls after speech

2004-10-21 Thread Travis Edmunds
http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2004/10/21/castro_fall041021.html Last Updated Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:42:47 EDT SANTA CLARA, CUBA - Cuban President Fidel Castro broke his left knee and caused a hairline fracture his right arm when he fell after making a speech at a graduation ceremony. The

Al-Gebra terrorists

2004-10-21 Thread Nick Arnett
I'd give credit for this if I knew who wrote it... -- At New York's Kennedy airport today, an individual later discovered to be a public school teacher was arrested trying to board a flight while in possession of a ruler, a protractor, a set-square, a slide rule, and a calculator. At a morning

Who does GWB think he is?

2004-10-21 Thread Nick Arnett
Following up on John Edwards' yucky statement that paralytics will rise up from their wheelchairs under a Kerry administration, suggesting to some that Edwards thinks Kerry is Jesus, here is language that our president and his speechwriters chose. On the one-year anniversary of the Sept. 11

Re: One Flu over the Cookoo's Nest

2004-10-21 Thread William T Goodall
On 21 Oct 2004, at 1:39 pm, JDG wrote: At 10:57 PM 10/20/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: Think the shortage of flu vaccine is just bad luck? Lately many liberals have suggested that the US government should use its buying power to try and drive down prescription drug prices and lower profits.

Re: Who does GWB think he is?

2004-10-21 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 10:43 AM Subject: Who does GWB think he is? Following up on John Edwards' yucky statement that paralytics will rise up from their wheelchairs under a

Re: Who does GWB think he is?

2004-10-21 Thread Nick Arnett
Dan Minette wrote: Jesus calls us to be peace-makers, not dividers of the world into good nations and evil-doers. But, here is the question that has faced Christians for ~1600 years. It is acceptable to fight to protect innocents? I don't think that's the question at hand, although it's a fine

Re: Who does GWB think he is?

2004-10-21 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Who does GWB think he is? Dan Minette wrote: But, here is the question that has faced Christians for ~1600 years. It is

Re: Who does GWB think he is?

2004-10-21 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 1:46 PM Subject: Re: Who does GWB think he is? Finishing a thought. It is acceptable to fight to protect innocents? I don't think that's the

The French to the rescue.

2004-10-21 Thread d.brin
Today's the first day in 2 weeks without (apparently) magor defections from W by noted conservatives, so letg me fill in the news with a little irony: French firm to help US beat the flu bug October 20, 2004 Washington - A French pharmaceutical company will supply 2.6 million extra anti-flu

Re: And in other news...

2004-10-21 Thread Gary Denton
I'm interested if you are defending the White House calling a minister a liar? Gary Denton On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:35:48 -0400, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:01 PM 10/20/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: No casualties? White House disputes Robertson comment

Re: Baseball

2004-10-21 Thread Bryon Daly
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:26:08 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my entire life as a baseball fan, I can't remember anything even vaguely like this. This postseason series was the most amazing thing I have ever seen, period. The odds of the Red Sox winning down 0-3

Re: U.S. Presidents by military service

2004-10-21 Thread brin-l
At 22-10-04 03:40, JDG wrote: In this case, I have no doubt that the next time the Democrats draft, errr nominate a draft-dodger to run against a Republican war-hero that Presidential military service will again be as irrelevant as it was in the 1990's to them. I have no doubt that when the

A sign on the wall?

2004-10-21 Thread brin-l
Interesting observation: without there being any filters in use, Eudora automatically dumps all Brin-L listmail in the Junk folder. Is this a reason for concern? Is there something I should know? :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Who does GWB think he is?

2004-10-21 Thread Nick Arnett
Dan Minette wrote: By no stretch of the imagination was Bin Laden opressed. Certainly not economically. His personal concerns are unknown to me, but I'm certain that he may be reacting to his perception of how his people, however he might categorize them, are treated. I'm not sure it

Re: A sign on the wall?

2004-10-21 Thread Dave Land
Hello, On Oct 21, 2004, at 1:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting observation: without there being any filters in use, Eudora automatically dumps all Brin-L listmail in the Junk folder. Is this a reason for concern? Is there something I should know? :) Can you take a look at the headers

Re: U.S. Presidents by military service

2004-10-21 Thread Dave Land
Dear Brin-L, (Gee, your name sounds familiar...) BTW, who's that Republican war-hero Presidential candidate you're talking about? I don't recall any US President being a war hero. I believe that there are some who considered George Washington a war hero. And besides, he won the election because

Re: Who does GWB think he is?

2004-10-21 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:49 PM Subject: Re: Who does GWB think he is? Dan Minette wrote: By no stretch of the imagination was Bin Laden opressed. Certainly not

Re: U.S. Presidents by military service

2004-10-21 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, who's that Republican war-hero Presidential candidate you're talking about? I don't recall any US President being a war hero. Well, George H.W. Bush was the youngest Navy pilot of the Second World War and won the DFC, which counts as pretty heroic.

Re: U.S. Presidents by military service

2004-10-21 Thread Damon Agretto
And while it will probably get me an earful of conservative backlash, there are may be some who consider John Kerry something of a war hero for beaching his swift boat, jumping off, capturing a VC grenade launcher or machine gun or something, and getting back on board alive. At least one of

Re: U.S. Presidents by military service

2004-10-21 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: U.S. Presidents by military service Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:15:32 -0700 Not that a single act of bravery a war hero makes. I read somewhere that two acts of

Re: U.S. Presidents by military service

2004-10-21 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 8:23 AM Subject: Re: U.S. Presidents by military service I have no doubt that Mr. Seeberger wouldn't have been posting this link in 1996. Interesting

Re: U.S. Presidents by military service

2004-10-21 Thread Dave Land
On Oct 21, 2004, at 4:39 PM, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: U.S. Presidents by military service Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:15:32 -0700 Not that a single act of bravery

Re: Who does GWB think he is?

2004-10-21 Thread Nick Arnett
Dan Minette wrote: I'm trying to figure out your arguement. The question is whether we'll stop terrorism by simply being as just as we can That's not a question for me. I don't think we're called to stop terrorism. I don't think that's within human power. The question for me is how to love

Re: Baseball

2004-10-21 Thread Dan Minette
One thing is driving me a bit crazy here...the commentators keep on assuming that small ball is the best way to play in the post season. Even in series where 3 runs leads have been lost and the game has been lost, they keep on talking as if playing for one run instead of a crooked number is

Re: Baseball

2004-10-21 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing is driving me a bit crazy here...the commentators keep on assuming that small ball is the best way to play in the post season. Even in series where 3 runs leads have been lost and the game has been lost, they keep on talking as if playing

RE: One Flu over the Cookoo's Nest

2004-10-21 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 08:24 AM 10/21/2004 -0500 Horn, John wrote: I don't know. In another thread, there is a discussion of whether NASA is in trouble because they are relying on a limited number of suppliers. That certainly isn't because of cost reduction issues at NASA, I don't believe. I think this has more to

Re: And in other news...

2004-10-21 Thread JDG
At 04:17 PM 10/21/2004 -0500 Gary Denton wrote: I'm interested if you are defending the White House calling a minister a liar? The White House has already said as much. JDG ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Brin: Second Salvo

2004-10-21 Thread JDG
At 07:13 AM 10/21/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote: Indeed, there are many times to take a pure and passionate stand. I am deeply suspicious of the underlying emotional reasons behind the choice of abortion as a stand, which must be ratcheted earlier with each new medical advance, till we must sing

Re: Brin: Second Salvo

2004-10-21 Thread JDG
At 07:14 AM 10/21/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:54 PM 10/18/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote: Stopping baby killers (without ever doing anything to help the babies you then stick poor moms with) This is just plain false. Pro-Life activists donate extensively to

Brin: Abortion Stats

2004-10-21 Thread John D. Giorgis
Lately Dr. Brin has been musing about abortion stats while I personally think that the link between the Presidency and abortion rates is tenuous at best, it is worth noting this look at abortion rates under recent Presidents: http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/stassenpart1.html JDG

Re: And in other news...

2004-10-21 Thread Julia Thompson
JDG wrote: At 04:17 PM 10/21/2004 -0500 Gary Denton wrote: I'm interested if you are defending the White House calling a minister a liar? The White House has already said as much. I'm confused -- that doesn't look to me as though the question has been answered. So the White House has

Re: And in other news...

2004-10-21 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 9:24 PM Subject: Re: And in other news... At 04:17 PM 10/21/2004 -0500 Gary Denton wrote: I'm interested if you are defending the White House calling a

Hello

2004-10-21 Thread MironMurcury
Hello, Test message and Greetings to my fellow bipeds. I look forward to reading your future letters and comments. I'm not an angry ranter or even a smart guy, just someone who finds Mr. Brin's writing compelling and worthwhile. Yours, Miron Murcury

Re: And in other news...

2004-10-21 Thread Doug Pensinger
JDG wrote: Doug, I am interested to know that you now consider Pat Robertson to be a reliable source. Maybe you are going to start listening to what Pat Robertson has to say about salvation as well? If Alex Rodriguez tells a reporter that he thinks that Pedro is a dick, we all take it with a