d.brin wrote:
Some of you recall I used a metaphor - the Union has been conquered
by the Confederacy. Some ridiculed this, pointing to the Plains and
Mountain states, forgetting that those areas DID allow slavery
before the Civil War.
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:36:55 -0800, Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2108887/#ContinueArticle
So, let's call it 15,000 orallowing for deaths that the press didn't
report20,000 or 25,000, maybe 30,000 Iraqi civilians killed in a
pre-emptive war waged (according
At 12:55 AM 11/10/2004 -0800 Ruben Krasnopolsky wrote:
d.brin wrote:
Some of you recall I used a metaphor - the Union has been conquered
by the Confederacy. Some ridiculed this, pointing to the Plains and
Mountain states, forgetting that those areas DID allow slavery
before the Civil War.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/11/07/
national1212EST0463.DTL
Average fine for dealing with terrorist nations plunged after Sept. 11
MATT KELLEY, Associated Press Writer
Sunday, November 7, 2004
(11-07) 09:12 PST WASHINGTON (AP) --
Despite the Bush
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Subject: Re: 100,000 Deador 8,000
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:36:55 -0800, Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 9, 2004, at 8:39 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Sonja wrote:
I wish you all well.
I wish you well too, Sonja and regret that you feel you need to unsub.
I do think you're a little hard on Nick - he does spend his own time
and resources on maintaining the list without compensation.
This is not
On Nov 9, 2004, at 3:12 PM, David Brin wrote:
Funny you ignore the singularity aspect of KP. SERIAL
immortality is really rather churlish, stealing from
our descendants. What busy people REALLY want and
need is PARALLEL immortality. The power to get more
done now.
Looking at transcendence in
On Nov 10, 2004, at 3:39 AM, Martin Lewis wrote:
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:36:55 -0800, Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2108887/#ContinueArticle
So, let's call it 15,000 orallowing for deaths that the press didn't
report20,000 or 25,000, maybe 30,000 Iraqi civilians
On Nov 9, 2004, at 8:41 PM, David Brin wrote:
Meanwhile, look at the note there about an added
correlation with DIVORCE RATE that sheds interesting
light on values.
There's apparently a pretty strong correlation between intense
religiosity in the US and divorce:
On 10 Nov 2004, at 4:59 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
I don't believe it's unfair to provisionally judge that an intensely
religious person is more likely to undergo marital strife and suffer
from less cognitive ability. The alleged table of state IQ is
interesting but unverified, but based on the
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:25:47 -0600, Dan Minette
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, let's call it 15,000 orallowing for deaths that the press didn't
report20,000 or 25,000, maybe 30,000 Iraqi civilians killed in a
pre-emptive war waged (according to the latest rationale) on their
behalf.
That's
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:43:12 -0700, Warren Ockrassa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As far as I know The Lancet study remains the only scientific study
into deaths so until more studies have been done we really have no way
of knowing what an accurate figure is.
Kaplan mentioned the IBC
[I'm putting my reply up here; it's to what follows, of course.]
I'd bet the numbers are higher than the IBC web site indicates as well.
However, anyone who wants to argue against the conflict using casualty
statistics alone simply must be extremely cautious about the numbers
used.
Even if
Hi ya'll.
You probably did not notice that I dropped out of the list for some time -
about 7 months. If you remember, I last left the list after announcing that
I was diagnosed with Cancer, and was starting treatment.
Well I am glad to say that THAT'S over with. It was tough, and if anyone has
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi ya'll.
You probably did not notice that I dropped out of the list for some time -
about 7 months. If you remember, I last left the list after announcing that
I was diagnosed with Cancer, and was starting treatment.
Well I am glad to say that THAT'S over with. It was
As Steve said,
The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six
years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set
up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established
a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat
technologies, and even casts of
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Nerd From Hell is back from the dead!
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:55:06 -0800
Hi ya'll.
You probably did not notice that I dropped out of the list for some time -
about 7 months. If you remember,
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To me what was probably most interesting about KP is
the story you told
with the scenario you conceived. (I mean the
contrast of what you
explored versus what I would have done given the
same starting point.)
I would have gone down a totally
One little quibble.
On Nov 9, 2004, at 8:52 PM, JDG wrote:
I know that you can't handle the fact that the American people wisely
rejected a fomer peacenik, anti-war activist, Massachusetts liberal
for
President by a substantial majority just three years after September
11th,
JDG wrote:
I've already pointed out one ridiculous aspect of this analysis. Here is
another - how do you explain the red-blue county map?Am I supposed to
believe that Upstate New York, Central PA, and California's Inland Empire
were/are all hotbeds of Confederate sympathy
You are
Anyone have a good, easy to understand, description of
possible tansversable wormholes? An essay easily
grasped by a layperson? I've been doing some research
for an SF RPG I'm running (the characters are still
dirtside, and I can leave them there for as long as I
need), and I think the
On Nov 10, 2004, at 1:44 PM, Ruben Krasnopolsky wrote:
JDG wrote:
I've already pointed out one ridiculous aspect of this analysis.
Here is
another - how do you explain the red-blue county map?Am I
supposed to
believe that Upstate New York, Central PA, and California's Inland
Empire
Damon said:
Anyone have a good, easy to understand, description of
possible tansversable wormholes? An essay easily
grasped by a layperson? I've been doing some research
for an SF RPG I'm running (the characters are still
dirtside, and I can leave them there for as long as I
need), and I
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Wis. City's Schools Allowing Creationism
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:42:16 -0600
The link is:
http://www.cin.org/jp2evolu.html
The quote is:
quote
Today,
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:49:10 -0800 (PST), Gautam Mukunda
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since we've heard a lot about Red States and Blue
States I thought posting a link to this graphic would
be interesting. I'd been planning on making it
myself, but luckily someone much better at computers
beat me
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To be fair, Dr. Brin explained several months ago
that he was speaking
figuratively when alluding to the rise of the
Confederacy once more.
He's speaking more of a mindset, a weltanschauung,
than a literal trend
that can be mapped by accents
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Barna's results verified findings of earlier polls: that conservative
Protestant Christians, on average, have the highest divorce rate,
while mainline Christians have a much lower rate. They found some new
information as well: that atheists and agnostics have the lowest
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So now I am back, feeling better, and a bit more fiendish.
Excellent news! Glad to have you back.
There was also an unexpected side effect - anticipatory nausea. When ever I
think about the chemo, I get nauseas. The other day, a nurse wheeled in a IV
pole into the exam
In a message dated 11/10/2004 4:03:08 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Excellent news! Glad to have you back.
I'll comment on being glad for the front and sides.
Anyone want to top this?
Vilyehm Teighlore
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David Brin wrote:
Funny you ignore the singularity
aspect of KP. SERIAL immortality
is really rather churlish, stealing
from our descendants. What busy
people REALLY want and need is
PARALLEL immortality. The power to
get more done now.
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Looking at transcendence
Dan Minette wrote:
Experimental science is rooted in methodology and an understanding
of the inherent errors in methodology.
That's fun! How do you propose to use Experimental Science to compute
body counts? Fill 100 planes with 200 people, crash them into buildings,
and take statistics on
d.brin wrote:
See the following correlation between average IQ in red vs blue
states. http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm
It's a horrible thing that voting is not restricted only to those whose
IQs are above average :-/
Maybe voting should be made so complex that only smart people
could
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Three percent (51:48) is not, by any definition of
the term, a
substantial majority. As it happens, three percent
is within the margin
of error for most statistical purposes. Fact check,
indeed.
Warren, _an election is not a sample_. The
On Nov 10, 2004, at 4:44 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Three percent (51:48) is not, by any definition of
the term, a
substantial majority. As it happens, three percent
is within the margin
of error for most statistical purposes. Fact check,
indeed.
Warren,
On 10 Nov 2004, at 11:20 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 11/10/2004 4:03:08 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Excellent news! Glad to have you back.
I'll comment on being glad for the front and sides.
Anyone want to top this?
I'm not going to say 'bottom'.
--
On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:24:16AM +, William T Goodall wrote:
On 10 Nov 2004, at 11:20 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll comment on being glad for the front and sides.
Anyone want to top this?
I'm not going to say 'bottom'.
Is it beneath you?
--
Erik Reuter
On Nov 10, 2004, at 3:35 PM, Russell Chapman wrote:
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Barna's results verified findings of earlier polls: that
conservative Protestant Christians, on average, have the highest
divorce rate, while mainline Christians have a much lower rate. They
found some new information as
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Subject: Re: Brin: the new know nothings
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Barna's results verified findings of earlier polls: that conservative
Here's an article I wrote on wormholes for the Culture List a few years
ago:
http://www.culturelist.org/cdr/article.cfm?id=89
So to see if I have this figured, if a ship had a journey to another star,
and in Earth time the journey took 15 years, but ship time it took 5 years,
if you waited 5
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Brin: the new know nothings
Are you suggesting that less religious people cohabit with multiple
(serial, perhaps)
Are you suggesting that less religious people cohabit with multiple
(serial, perhaps) partners before marrying one,
thereby getting practice that a more religious -- and presumably chaste
-- group might not have? If so, that's an
intriguing suggestion and it would be interesting to see some
On Nov 10, 2004, at 12:20 PM, David Brin wrote:
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To me what was probably most interesting about KP is
the story you told
with the scenario you conceived. (I mean the
contrast of what you
explored versus what I would have done given the
same starting
On 11 Nov 2004, at 12:29 am, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:24:16AM +, William T Goodall wrote:
On 10 Nov 2004, at 11:20 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll comment on being glad for the front and sides.
Anyone want to top this?
I'm not going to say 'bottom'.
Is it beneath you?
Someone has probably commented on this somewhere else but it is obvious
that Arafat is clinically dead but on life support so that the
arguments over where he will be buried can be sorted out without
offence to the Muslim tradition that he be buried promptly (preferably
within 24 hours of
On Nov 10, 2004, at 5:38 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
I went to the CDC for some data.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/pubs/pubd/series/sr23/pre-1/pre-1.htm
Dan, could you tell me which PDF you downloaded from that site? I can't
seem to find the one that breaks down religions by denomination, at
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Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: Brin: the new know nothings
On Nov 10, 2004, at 5:38 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
I went to the CDC for some data.
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Strewth -- and yet, many seem to see fit to take a
51% majority as a
mandate
Exactly the same people who knew very well that Al
Gore had a mandate to be President. And that Gore +
Nader voters formed a clear majority who OPPOSED the
plans
On Nov 10, 2004, at 6:42 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
I went to the CDC for some data.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/pubs/pubd/series/sr23/pre-1/pre
-1.htm
Dan, could you tell me which PDF you downloaded from that site? I
can't
seem to find the one that breaks down religions by denomination, at
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote some
cool kiln speculations. I already did deal with
religious conservative opposition to kilning and with
sexual variations.
The alien idea though is one that I was intending to
deal With. I mean, how could you tell?
Pregnancy. Interesting.
Anyone else watching Lost?
I am completely caught up in this show.
+++ Spoiler Warning
The TV guide write-up last week gave it away that this will turn into a
science fiction show by the end of the first season.
At 06:13 PM 11/10/2004 -0800 David Brin wrote:
Then concocted an entire war simply in order to be reelected.
No doubt he learned that trick from his father!
JDG
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--- Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone else watching Lost?
I am completely caught up in this show.
+++ Spoiler Warning
The TV guide write-up last week gave it away that
this will turn into a
science fiction show by the end of the first
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, William T Goodall wrote:
On 10 Nov 2004, at 11:20 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 11/10/2004 4:03:08 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Excellent news! Glad to have you back.
I'll comment on being glad for the
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:22:11 -0800 (PST), David Brin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote some
cool kiln speculations. I already did deal with
religious conservative opposition to kilning and with
sexual variations.
The alien idea though is one that I was
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:55:06 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi ya'll.
You probably did not notice that I dropped out of the list for some time -
about 7 months. If you remember, I last left the list after announcing that
I was diagnosed with Cancer, and was starting
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, David Brin wrote:
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote some
cool kiln speculations. I already did deal with
religious conservative opposition to kilning and with
sexual variations.
The alien idea though is one that I was intending to
deal With. I mean,
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So now I am back, feeling better, and a bit more fiendish.
I'm glad you're back! Glad you're in good health, and glad you're on the
list again. I missed you.
Julia
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--- JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 06:13 PM 11/10/2004 -0800 David Brin wrote:
Then concocted an entire war simply in order to be
reelected.
No doubt he learned that trick from his father!
Somebody tell this so and so that deliberate obduracy
is unattractive. The neocons openly said
--- Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Likely no sport or activity would be too
extreme... 0.5% chance of
survival down that slope?
KP shows this.
- It could be much more easy for humans to survive
and exploit
resources in places that they could not easily do so
now, by creating
--- David Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The neocons openly said that H
made
a mistake ending his war too soon.
Well, so did you.
Hmmm...the great neocon conspiracy has longer
tentacles than I thought.
=
Gautam Mukunda
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Freedom is not free
At 11:20 AM 11/10/2004 -0800 David Brin wrote:
Unfortunately, I seem chastened in my faith in my
fellow citizens by recent events. NOT the overall
election trends. After all, urban-educated America
did vote as I perceived.
I'd ask why the vote of urban-educated America is better
At 08:47 PM 11/10/2004 -0800 David Brin wrote:
Then concocted an entire war simply in order to be
reelected.
No doubt he learned that trick from his father!
Somebody tell this so and so that deliberate obduracy
is unattractive. The neocons openly said that H made
a mistake ending his war
SPOILER WARNING..
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I wrote
The TV guide write-up last week gave it away that this will
turn into
a science fiction show by the end of the first season.
Gautam wrote...
Details please? I don't get TV guide, but do like Lost,
Half of America apologizes to the world:
http://www.sorryeverybody.com/
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Not tonite. I just got the Call of Duty: United Offensive expansion. Has me
really busy...tough even on easy!
Damon.
Damon Agretto
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Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html
On Nov 10, 2004, at 10:52 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Half of America apologizes to the world:
http://www.sorryeverybody.com/
One sixth. As noted elsewhere an election is not a statistical sample;
there were +100 million votes cast in a nation comprised of at least
300 million people. Of the votes
On Nov 8, 2004, at 7:36 PM, d.brin wrote:
Modern Marvels:Surveillance Tech is airing on History
Channel this Wednesday night,November 10th. Please
check your local TV listings for air times.
I expect I'll be on it.
Indeed you were. Though I was expecting a beard...
I thought it interesting that
David Brin wrote:
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote some
cool kiln speculations. I already did deal with
religious conservative opposition to kilning and with
sexual variations.
The alien idea though is one that I was intending to
deal With. I mean, how could you tell?
Bryon Daly wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:22:11 -0800 (PST), David Brin
experiences a la Arnold's promised Mars adventure in The Running
Man.
Total Recall
xponent
Governator Quibbles Maru
rob
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Julia Thompson wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004, David Brin wrote:
lactation from a ditto you probably *don't* need, either, but having
one around to help burp the baby afterwards would be very nice,
especially if you're lactating for 2 babies
I predict a line:
It's kinda nice not having real
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