Re: Brin-L archives searchable - a real life example.

2004-01-26 Thread Dave Land
Gary, et al, Not that there was anything damaging in your message, of course, but this reminds me of the old adage, Never put anything in an email that you wouldn't want to hear read aloud in court. Dave David M. Land

Re: Moving: Irregulars book questions

2004-01-27 Thread Dave Land
Deborah, -Macintosh Performa 6220CD/75 16/1 GB This is a really old, really slow machine with hardly any memory or disk space. Even in its day, this was only a middling Mac. Despite my status as a dedicated Mac zealot for most of the 20 years they've been around, I wouldn't recommend this

Re: Left Vs Right Handedness

2004-01-30 Thread Dave Land
Folks, I think would also partially explain the tendency towards right-handedness, which effects which side of the body a baby would normally be held. Or is it possible that mothers tend to hold babies on the left side because the heartbeat is more easily heard on the left side Cause and

Re: Reviews for Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ

2004-02-04 Thread Dave Land
Folks, The question that is often posed, though, is why the Romans should capitulate to the desire of the Jews? It was those Jewish leaders who saw Jesus as a threat and wanted him put to death. However, they could not do so legally: only the Romans could dispense capital punishment.

Re: Reviews for Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ

2004-02-04 Thread Dave Land
Tom, I think Christians need to face up to this and not try to argue it away or pretend it didn't happen or deny their responsibility for two millennia of violence. I am a Christian and I am definitely not responsible for two millennia of violence. Because, whatever Christians may think of

Re: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marraige[sic]Amendm ent)

2004-02-19 Thread Dave Land
Chad, I'm in that 10% minority :) Can I get a disabled sticker for that? If I can get one for being a pure Left-handed person... Any other lefties out there? Actually, I'm ambi. Or maybe just ambi-curious. Dave David M.

Re: Semicolon Saved San Francisco RE: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: FederalMarraige[sic]Amendment)

2004-02-20 Thread Dave Land
John, I assume you've been watching the news about the semicolon that saved San Francisco. It's been nice having something to cheer about while watching the local newscast. :-D I presume by the smiley that you aren't serious. Surely that kind of judicial ruling is not good for a free

Re: Earth almost put on impact alert

2004-02-27 Thread Dave Land
Travis Edmunds wrote: But in the grand scheme of things, nothing is proceeding the way that perhaps it should. Such is life, sadly. Nothing is proceeding the way that perhaps it should reminds me of Nothing succeeds as planned from Heller's Good as Gold, but without the conviction. Not that

Re: Earth almost put on impact alert

2004-02-27 Thread Dave Land
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Travis Edmunds wrote: I think it's a tad irresponsible, that there isn't a more concerted effort to thwart the possible extinction of our species don't you? A big impact like the one that ended the Cretaceous would _not_ cause the extinction of our species. Or do you

Re: Stirling engine queries

2004-03-04 Thread Dave Land
Julia, et al, Describe how to count up to 1023 on 10 fingers. :) That's easy to describe, but a whole lot more difficult to use :-). I remember seeing Doug Engelbart (inventor of the computer mouse, etc) http://tinyurl.com/9km7 using a one-handed chorded keyboard http://tinyurl.com/3ajld that

Re: Stirling engine queries

2004-03-04 Thread Dave Land
Nick, I can do it to 1024.. but to 1023 i have no idea Zero counts, but for nothing. I stand on the threshold of tommorow, atop the stairway of yesterday, holding the key to today, staring through the door into the future. Bully for you. As for me, I generally stumble up the stairway of my lost

Re: Stirling engine queries

2004-03-04 Thread Dave Land
Jan, Anyway, one day we went to the grocer on our way for a long road trip... Great story. It reminded me of the Gangs Kill Sign Language Users urban legend that http://tinyurl.com/2a8vf. So be careful: you and your wife could end up dead, or worse -- an urban legend! I like to use this now

Re: Bush's Economic Indicator: 2 New Jobs

2004-03-08 Thread Dave Land
Folks, This is how you bypass registration: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A31587-2004Mar4?language=printe r But that's ... like using TiVo to skip commercials! Dave Feigned shock Land ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Emulation

2004-03-11 Thread Dave Land
William T Goodall wrote: Religion is about crazy people blowing stuff up. Sorry, can't agree. *Intolerance* and *fanaticism* often involve crazy people blowing stuff up, not religion. To insist on equating religion with violence is a form of intolerance in itself, and to have a statement like

Re: The Smell of a Real Scandal

2004-03-26 Thread Dave Land
Various people opined thusly: Personally, Debbi, I'd prefer taking a pill every day than the sort of nanny-stateism that has the government dictating what I eat every day. Personally, I don't want either. Couldn't agree more, and for certain hyped-up conditions that are probably better dealt

Re: x-Aide Recounts Terror Warnings

2004-03-26 Thread Dave Land
Deborah Is there a Brin-L sign-in and password, like there is for the NYT? Not specific to brin-l, but bugmenot.com reports the following pre-existing logins: Account #1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] woman Account #2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] foobar Account #4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] fast

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-03-26 Thread Dave Land
Folks, I hope we won't have to demonstrate that even more forcefully, but if another 9-11 level attack happens, I'm ready to turn the Caaba into the Crater. A radioactive crater, if that will make the point more dramatically. Hmmm. I wonder if that would be the most effective response... Just

Re: Do anything fun over the weekend?

2004-03-29 Thread Dave Land
Matthew and Julie Bos wrote: This weekend I watched my friend put his new two-seater ultralight into the air. While doing this we ate Oreo's and chocolate milk. Anneka walked for 8 consecutive steps! Then we ate hot dogs at the park. Sweet. I got to ride in a 2-seat ultralight along the

Re: O'Lielly Brings Out His Inner Bigot

2004-03-29 Thread Dave Land
The Fool wrote: WILLIAM FREY, PH.D., BROOKINGS INSTITUTION: Well, I really think what's happening is going to be this phasing out or fading out of the white baby boom population. It is a 50-year time period we're talking about... O'REILLY: Yes. We'll all be dead. Thank God, right? If only he

Re: Russia to launch first space elevator

2004-03-29 Thread Dave Land
http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/379/12372_elevator.html This unique project has been in development for years. I found pravda.ru a little hard to take seriously (Boriska - Boy from Mars and Alien visits Russians Province sidebar stories were a little over the top, although Israel Opens

Re: 20/20 Hindsight

2004-04-01 Thread Dave Land
Mike Lee wrote: ... I think they better keep a civil tongue in their heads because we're all tired of it. Et tu, Mike ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Meta Level was Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-02 Thread Dave Land
Mike Lee wrote: Note to Keith: saying meme a lot doesn't make you intelligible. Question to Mike: do you really mean intelligible, or did you mean intelligent? I don't want to assume that this was a Bushism, (as in functionable for functional) but, I don't really understand your criticism.

Re: Virus infection alert !

2004-04-02 Thread Dave Land
Friends, Nick suggested that the reason it got through the virus filters was because it was MIME encoded. Close. The message got through the virus filters because it was *not* MIME-encoded -- it was a plain text message that just happened to contain the the textual representation of a

Re: America the Theocracy

2004-04-06 Thread Dave Land
Rich yapped thus: Most of the people that the Vatican will have killed in the end are alive today... Christianity is responsible for *billions* of deaths in the near future. Cool. You must have loved Minority Report. Let's arrest the Pope. Dave ___

Re: Square Wheels

2004-04-06 Thread Dave Land
Russell Chapman wrote: A train able to traverse steep inclines could be very useful, say in mine extraction. You could even nest conventional rails inside the bumpy tracks so standard rolling stock could be hauled out and handed over to a conventional train. Baked: http://www.cog-railway.com/

Re: [ADMIN] Flakey network

2004-04-06 Thread Dave Land
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thus, the list will be slow and flakey until this is resolved. It *seems* to be resolved (if I may announce that on Nick's behalf.) His ISP upgraded his service, thereby rendering it completely non-functional for most of the day. Well, just don't point out who is

Re: Cats May Have Been Pets 9,500 Years Ago

2004-04-08 Thread Dave Land
And in other news... The discovery of a cat burial by French scientists pushes the known date of cats as pets back more than 5,000 years. The further discovery that the cat in question was not actually dead at the time of burial demonstrates that the relationship between humans and their feline

Re: Alternate History

2004-04-14 Thread Dave Land
Tom Beck wrote: This is the second time I have seen the Jordan analogy. Personally, I would be at least somewhat disappointed to see Iraq turn into a self-interested, provincial, monarchy. Why? That's what Dubya has turned the USA into. Sort of... Come November, we get to pretend to choose a

Re: 4thReichKlan LGF

2004-04-14 Thread Dave Land
The Fool wrote: The Escalation of dehumanizing rhetoric in popular wartime Right-Wing propaganda frex littlegreenfootballs: http://www.drmenlo.com/lgfquiz/ ... 62% 85% -- The language /is/ remarkably similar (and sinister). What is it about Semites that drives people so crazy? Dave

Re: Fundamental issues with open source software

2004-04-15 Thread Dave Land
Nick Arnett wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: Article at http://firstmonday.org/issues/issue9_4/levesque/index.html I'm interested in anything folks here can add about open source software, either from a user's point of view or a developer's point of view. Or if someone has a refutation for any of

Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse

2004-05-12 Thread Dave Land
Gautam, grinding the Everybody but me hates America axe, wrote: --- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The image is available on their website for anyone who wants to see it. I think that the media isn't showing the murder out of respect for the families...just like it stopped showing people

Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse

2004-05-12 Thread Dave Land
Gautam Mukunda wrote: I think I've realized where the difference between you and me on the media really stems from, Dan. You think that they're good at their jobs, and I think they're inept. Inept, but still able to coordinate the release or restriction of certain videos (Berg, 911 jumpers,

Separated at birth?

2004-05-13 Thread Dave Land
The Fool's link to Fox News, following Gary Dunn's link to the Center for Bio-Ethical Reform Through Psychological Abuse caused my eyes to notice that the icons for the two web sites are nearly identical. No conspiracy :-), just more the same-think. Dave

Re: Fox news: Iraq Torture Scandal: 'morally superior racism'

2004-05-13 Thread Dave Land
The Fool wrote: The Idiocy of right-wing torture apologists is truly sickening: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,119529,00.html Many TV networks, including Fox News, deemed the pictures [of the earlier murder and desecration of four Americans in Fallujah] too shocking to air.

Re: Kurt Vonnegut on the state of the world

2004-05-13 Thread Dave Land
Deborah Harrell wrote: I don't recall reading any Vonnegut novels (though I'm sure I must have read some short stories in anthologies) - have to remedy that. Not sure whether my word has any weight for you, but I read most of what he wrote, and have enjoyed it tremendously. His writing was one

Re: Rediculous loosers

2004-05-14 Thread Dave Land
William T Goodall wrote: When did the spelling of 'ridiculous' and 'lose' get changed, and why didn't I get the memo? The Speling Simplifikashun Ak of 2004 was pasd by kongres and synd by President-for-life Bush right after the kansilashun of the elekshunz. Is it some kind of l33t spelling or

Re: Kurt Vonnegut on the state of the world

2004-05-14 Thread Dave Land
G. D. Akin wrote: Carries weight with me; I've read everything he's written. The only book I didn't really like was God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater. To begin reading, go to Slaughterhouse Five first, then The Sirens of Titan. Yes, and don't stop there. Vonnegut's books are not only hilarious in

Re: Yay!

2004-05-14 Thread Dave Land
Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Is the replacing government well equipped to make changes? Or is it just more of the same but with a different undercurrent? I still don't understand how an originally born Italian can be a well equipped prime minister of the largest democracy in the world.

Re: Fox news: Iraq Torture Scandal: 'morally superior racism'

2004-05-14 Thread Dave Land
Robert Seeberger wrote: To some degree, *We* are the barbarians at the gate. We have shamed ourselves in front of the world, and that makes me feel ashamed *and* angry. (Note that I am not pointing a finger and blaming soldiers or presidents. As an American I figure I have to share some of the

Re: Kurt Vonnegut on the state of the world

2004-05-14 Thread Dave Land
Deborah Harrell wrote: [extensive snippage] ...Of course, I have no idea if this is what he intended, but he's talking about the psychological concept of thrownness, and he describes it better than many articles that purport to be /about/ thrownness. There's a term that's new to me...sounds

Re: The opposite of having to be right

2004-04-27 Thread Dave Land
Dave Land Top-Posted: Of course, the whole left-liberal idea of reasonable discussion is completely bankrupt. In short, Mr. Arnett is wrong, wrong, wrong. But what does he care? Nick Arnett wrote: Had a little insight the other day that seems relevant to our periodic how-to-have

Re: What's Causing High Gasoline Prices?

2004-04-29 Thread Dave Land
The Fool wrote: What's Causing High Gasoline Prices? ... I guess the only bit about it that surprises me is that they didn't also find a way to suggest that another tax cut would be the cure for high gas prices. All this was interesting, but I think everybody knows that the real reason gas

Re: NY Times article on people with Asperger's

2004-04-29 Thread Dave Land
David Hobby wrote: (I have unfortunately lost the login that someone created for those list members who did not want to register with the NY Times. Could someone remind me, and this time I'll save it in appropriately titled email? Thanks!) Here's the page on bugmenot.com that lists all of

Re: Ultimate Chutzpah

2004-04-29 Thread Dave Land
Gary Denton wrote: I wanted to check the list out. Funny, I don't see many postings related to Brin. And you won't, either. In fact, from what I've observed in my months here, mentions of his work are few and far between. You will occasionally spot the good doctor himself spreading his memes.

Re: March for Women's Lives

2004-04-29 Thread Dave Land
Jim Sharkey took Mike Lee's bait, concluding with: Don't let your rampant personality defects make you a hater, Mike. I don't think there's any danger of that in our beloved Sock Puppet's case -- his posts bespeak a hatred that goes right to the core. I'm guessing that when he was a kid with

Re: ADMIN: Wonky server

2004-04-29 Thread Dave Land
The Fool wrote: You can do an exhaustive memory check: http://www.memtest86.com/ You can install a different OS that doesn't fail the way Linux Distros are known to (Frex Win 2000). The Only time anything crashes on my Win2000 Setup is when the computer / Room Temperature get too hot. I work

Re: Interesting Perspective

2004-05-17 Thread Dave Land
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: But is the logic of warfare and occupation really wise? Does it really make sense that we can bomb neighborhoods, storm into people's homes at night, imprison thousands in degrading conditions without charge, and then assume that these people will love us? It worked in

Re: Bishop Sheridan Re: Unitarians not a religion

2004-05-24 Thread Dave Land
Richard Baker wrote: A cell is not a person. A cell has no rights. A cell does not and should not have rights. So if I were to destroy exactly one cell in your body at a time until none were left then that would be okay? If not, at what stage would it become other than okay? Rich must understand

Re: Bullying and Battering

2004-05-24 Thread Dave Land
Deborah Harrell wrote: What IS it with various religious factions and their profound fear of women? Sheesh, even among the baboons at least females determine ranking in the society... Haven't we spent a fair amount of our energy over the past couple of hundred thousand years separating ourselves

Re: Bring on the Violent video games

2004-05-25 Thread Dave Land
Deborah Harrell wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Graphic, Violent Images Can Curb Kids' Aggression Uh, Chad old boy, it was *actual pictures* of the _results_ of violence that changed the kids' attitudes: Precisely: pictures of the results of /actual/ violence. Actually /reading/ the story, one

Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out

2004-05-27 Thread Dave Land
Folks said: smile Organized religion is hypocrisy at it's finest. There is some truth to that, but I must say that pointing it out seems to make things worse for the most part.G How so? Aint nothing worse than a devout believer feeling self righteous and defensive and throwing a hissy in your

Re: Atheists Purge History

2004-06-02 Thread Dave Land
And yet, the image of the goddess Pomona was permitted to remain. This is an outrage. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Humor

2004-06-04 Thread Dave Land
A guy arrives at the Pearly Gates. Peter: Bill Smith? Guy: That's me. Peter: You were an electrician in life? Guy: Yup. Peter: Great: we've got a huge electrical storm in Missouri that we need your help with... Another guy arrives. Peter: John Wallace? Guy: It's me. Peter: I see that you

Re: Instant Cocoa

2004-06-04 Thread Dave Land
On Jun 4, 2004, at 1:29 PM, Deborah Harrell wrote: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debbi said: (You can also use the dark chocolate squares for baking, but that makes more than one cup and you have to heat the milk _before_ adding it, or else you get teeny chocolate pieces swimming in the

Re: [Listref] Border collie with 'vocabulary' of 200 words

2004-06-11 Thread Dave Land
On Jun 11, 2004, at 3:19 PM, Gary Denton wrote: Me, i think that dogs are smart and cats are just stubborn. Yes. I think our cat has a vocabulary of 2 words: his name and snack. OK, make that three words, as he has had 2 names in his tenure with us, due to a 2-year-old who couldn't manage

Re: [Listref] Border collie with 'vocabulary' of 200 words

2004-06-11 Thread Dave Land
grin Squirtguns work really well for most cats - even my eldest, who will lean into a sprinkler stream to lap at the water (so that it runs down his ruff and soaks his front feet), hates being squirted. We've found that a quick puff of air in the face does the same trick. Our auxiliary backup

Re: Bradbury ticked at Moore

2004-06-21 Thread Dave Land
On Jun 19, 2004, at 10:14 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: An angry Ray Bradbury is demanding an apology from filmmaker Michael Moore for lifting the title from his classic science-fiction novel Fahrenheit 451, for his new documentary Fahrenheit 9/11. He didn't ask my permission, Bradbury, 83,

Re: Is this the proper way to run a campaign?

2004-07-26 Thread Dave Land
On Jul 26, 2004, at 9:04 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: I remember Ford/Carter, but I wasn't quite up with what was going on. My younger sister might have been, though -- who knows? (Those of you who are parents, imagine yourself in 1974 faced with a 3-year-old demanding that you explain Watergate!)

Re: Slashdot!

2004-07-26 Thread Dave Land
On Jul 26, 2004, at 9:59 AM, Erik Reuter wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 11:01:58AM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Nick Arnett wrote: http://slashdot.org/articles/04/07/26/123227.shtml?tid=133tid=199 Yeah, that was pretty good. It would have been nice, though, if there'd been something in the message

Re: Is this the proper way to run a campaign?

2004-07-26 Thread Dave Land
On Jul 26, 2004, at 11:28 AM, William T Goodall wrote: On 26 Jul 2004, at 6:07 pm, Dave Land wrote: On Jul 25, 2004, at 10:49 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: We're very much afraid of the way he attacks the principals that have always been the bedrock of this nation. But I thought he was The Education

Re: Acceleron - New Particle?

2004-07-28 Thread Dave Land
On Jul 28, 2004, at 3:22 PM, Robert G. Seeberger wrote: Now three University of Washington physicists are suggesting the two discoveries are integrally linked through one of the strangest features of the universe, dark energy, a linkage they say could be caused by a previously unrecognized

Re: [L3 ] Re: Jesus-anity and the status of women

2004-08-05 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 5, 2004, at 3:34 PM, William T Goodall wrote: Not having Belief is like not having Alzheimer's - a great good. Why on earth would you wish a crippling brain-illness on anyone you liked? The condition you describe is very like the knee-jerk reaction of some atheists. Please find a new

Re: Democrats

2004-08-09 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 8, 2004, at 11:45 AM, JDG wrote: From an Economist/YouGov poll: Only 36% of Democrats agree that life is better now for Iraqis than under Saddam Hussein. 51% of Democrats believe that US forces should be withdrawn from Iraq within the next few months. This last result makes me very

Re: Horses

2004-08-09 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 6, 2004, at 10:45 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: Horses have magnifying lenses in eyes. People and things look bigger than they are. That doesn't make sense to me -- they wouldn't have a frame of reference. Bigger that what, in other words? Reminds me of a line in a song by Steve Forbert: It's

Re: Horses

2004-08-09 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 6, 2004, at 6:35 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 10:06 AM 8/6/04, Robert J. Chassell wrote: Even though horses may not see colors as such, individual horses have a desire for certain colors. Perhaps they really do see colors snippage And as anyone who lives with one can attest, it is not

Re: the new Bush ad : I don't see any morphing...

2004-08-10 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 10, 2004, at 7:56 AM, Gary Denton wrote: On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:47:12 -0700, Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Denton wrote: The CIA uses very few agents which have been set up with expensive cover employment in CIA front companies. This statistic is published somewhere? Nick Part

Avian Magnetic Vision (was Re: Horses)

2004-08-10 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 10, 2004, at 3:33 PM, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Robert J. Chassell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Horses Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:25:13 + (UTC) Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote ... some types of birds

Re: Democrats

2004-08-10 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 10, 2004, at 3:47 PM, JDG wrote: At 10:55 AM 8/9/2004 -0700 Dave Land wrote: On Aug 8, 2004, at 11:45 AM, JDG wrote: From an Economist/YouGov poll: Only 36% of Democrats agree that life is better now for Iraqis than under Saddam Hussein. 51% of Democrats believe that US forces should

Re: Democrats

2004-08-10 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 10, 2004, at 4:54 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You state that you are very nervous as to what pressure JK will be under from within his own party... The rest of us (that is, people who continue to /think/ about issues, rather than accept whatever BushCo

Re: Democrats

2004-08-11 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 10, 2004, at 5:34 PM, JDG wrote: Anyhow, would you car to apologize for the gratuitous insult which followed the above? OK. I apologize for asking if you are a horse's ass. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Brin: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

2004-08-11 Thread Dave Land
Folks, First of all, thanks to The Fool for scouting this -- it's an interesting read, and it jibes with the experience I'm having with the radio in my Honda recently (the battery went dead due to a broken thermostat that left the electric radiator fan running all night, now the anti-theft radio

Re: Chances of aliens finding Earth disappearing

2004-08-12 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 11, 2004, at 7:39 PM, Steve Sloan wrote: An interesting link posted to LarryNiven-L: Chances of aliens finding Earth disappearing http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns6255 You say this like it's a bad thing... We all *know* that the aliens are only interested in eating us.

Re: Gorilla asks for HELP!

2004-08-12 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 11, 2004, at 7:57 PM, Steve Sloan wrote: Another link from LarryNiven-L, that's even more topical on Brin-L: Gorilla Seeks Help Using Sign Language http://start.earthlink.net/newsarticle? cat=10aid=809022602_5310_lead_story My favorite part of the story: They crowded around her, and

Re: Brin: Format Reinstall

2004-08-12 Thread Dave Land
Dr. Brin, It's really much simpler than that. I am a Mac user who reluctantly bought an XP/Vaio horror in order to run games and some other things for the kids. I understand: as a dedicated Mac user since '86 (only my innate cheapness kept me from jumping in in '84), a seven-year Apple employee,

Re: Chances of aliens finding Earth disappearing

2004-08-12 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 12, 2004, at 2:22 PM, Travis Edmunds wrote: We all *know* that the aliens are only interested in eating us. I thought they just wanted to harvest our intestines to make condoms... -Travis two sizes - large and small Edmunds Clearly, you've never worked in marketing: there are only two sizes

Re: Brin: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

2004-08-12 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 12, 2004, at 2:51 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: Yeah, well, some people took to command lines, and are a lot happier using command lines than GUIs. I realize such people are in the minority, but if you don't understand that there is such a minority and that they get frustrated with GUIs

Re: Brin: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

2004-08-12 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 12, 2004, at 5:25 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 04:51 PM Thursday 8/12/04, Julia Thompson wrote: Sort of like the car dealer who totally lost the sale with my mother when she expressed a preference for a manual transmission (she has never, ever, ever driven an automatic, narrowly dodging

Re: Every Single Sperm

2004-08-13 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 13, 2004, at 10:05 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 05:40 AM Friday 8/13/04, The Fool wrote: Please explain how, under any system of morality, that is wrong in any way? Humor is indeed wasted on you, Fool . . . It seems that The Fool is having a bad week. Dave

Re: Br!n: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

2004-08-13 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 13, 2004, at 11:57 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: The Fool wrote: I'm not the one going around claiming how much better it was in day... Your insistence that he could choose something better is taking his request far beyond his goal -- which makes it seem to me as though you're really saying that

Re: Cellular number porting

2004-08-13 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 13, 2004, at 12:48 PM, Gary Nunn wrote: Has anyone had any good or bad experiences with number porting (changing your cell number to a new carrier)? I recently ported my cell phone number from Verizon to Nextel, and the reliability of my phone went from 99.9% to less than 50%. After

Re: [Listref] Science, Politics Collide in Election Year

2004-08-16 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 16, 2004, at 4:39 AM, William T Goodall wrote: Is there no limit to the twisted sick evildoing of these sick twisted evildoing religious freaks? [1] [1] Rhetorical question. Is there no limit to the one-note playing of these sad, tiresome anti-religious freaks?

Astonishing evidence of water on Mars

2004-08-19 Thread Dave Land
http://www.senti-metrics.com/jpl/images/marswater.jpg ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-19 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 19, 2004, at 11:28 AM, The Fool wrote: From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] As for bigotry in America, put yourself in the shoes of an non-believer for a moment and you'll feel real bigotry. Out of

Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-19 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 19, 2004, at 3:02 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Dave Land wrote: Fool: Read the posts here straight [but not narrow :-)]: Dan asked you to point out where JDG *OR* he had stated blah, blah, blah. Your assertion I stated JDG did matches one side of the OR in his request, so his request stands

Re: Alcohol and neuron function (was: The Mercies of The Vatican)

2004-08-23 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 23, 2004, at 2:44 PM, Julia Randolph wrote: It's used in miniscule quantities in recipes, at least in comparison with other ingredients. Even if you buy a huge bottle at the warehouse club (say, something on the order of a liter or so), you're still not using a lot in comparison with what

Vanilla Ice Cream is Evil, Why It Must Be Eradicate

2004-08-23 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 23, 1980, at 4:07 PM, Dan Minette wrote: This makes about 1 pint or 16 oz. Lets say the child makes it with 2 teaspoons, and each of two kids gets one cup of ice cream each. That is one teaspoon of vanilla per child. There are three teaspoons in a tablespoon and two tablespoons in an oz:

Re: New Elements

2004-08-23 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 23, 2004, at 5:04 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 24 Aug 2004, at 12:41 am, Deborah Harrell wrote: who is personally _very_ anti-PDA, more from a 'horribly embarrassed' rather than a 'morally outraged' standpoint... So what do you have against Personal Digital Assistants? Or is it

Re: Cringely on incarceration of US population

2004-08-23 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 23, 2004, at 5:29 PM, Erik Reuter wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 04:32:15PM -0700, Nick Arnett wrote: What you wrote seems rather more argumentative than belongs here, given that you actually knew that Mark's real name is no secret. Argumentative? I beg to differ! That's not an argument.

Re: Cell phone SPAM

2004-08-24 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 24, 2004, at 4:53 AM, Gary Nunn wrote: I guess it had to start some time. Yesterday I received my first unsolicited spam message on my cell phone. Nextel sent me a browser message advertising additional cell services that I had not previously subscribed to with them. Complete with the

Re: Definition of SF

2004-08-25 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 25, 2004, at 8:19 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: Doesn't science fiction require *fictitious* science, i.e., stuff that hasn't been discovered/invented yet? While it probably doesn't /require/ fictitious science, it certainly is a common element in the genre, or at least it is better tolerated

Re: Fascist Censorship Spreads: Vichy Style

2004-08-25 Thread Dave Land
The Mercury News wrote: Yahoo cannot expect both to benefit from the fact that its content may be viewed around the world and to be shielded from the resulting costs, Judge Warren Ferguson wrote for a 2-1 majority. While the French censorship attempt is bothersome, this seems to be the real

Re: Fascist Censorship Spreads: Vichy Style

2004-08-25 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 25, 2004, at 10:42 AM, The Fool wrote: From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Mercury News wrote: Yahoo cannot expect both to benefit from the fact that its content may be viewed around the world and to be shielded from the resulting costs, Judge Warren Ferguson wrote for a 2-1 majority

Re: Fascist Censorship Spreads: Vichy Style

2004-08-25 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 25, 2004, at 3:36 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Warren Ockrassa wrote: The question I have is what to do about it -- what if France blocked Yahoo!? I think this is the right solution. Countries that don't have free speech should block the external sites that they find offensive: France should

Re: Fascist Censorship Spreads: Vichy Style

2004-08-25 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 25, 2004, at 4:30 PM, Dan Minette wrote: I don't make moral choices either, just ethical ones, and both good and evil are human-defined terms that refer to things which do not objectively exist. So, an ethics in which it is immoral to allow a Jew to exist is just as valid as one in which

Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-25 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 25, 2004, at 4:40 PM, Dan Minette wrote: Differing with their unfounded assumptions is just irrational :-) No, but differing with reality is. :D Hmm, how do I differ with reality? From where do you get your sure knowledge of what is real and what is not. For example, do you think that

Re: Fascist Censorship Spreads: Vichy Style

2004-08-25 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 25, 2004, at 4:47 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Aug 25, 2004, at 4:40 PM, Dave Land wrote: it is extraordinarily unlikely that any more of the endless yes there are vs. no there aren't arguments will change that. No it isn't! LESS FILLING

Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-25 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 25, 2004, at 5:55 PM, Dan Minette wrote: Differing with their unfounded assumptions is just irrational :-) No, but differing with reality is. :D Hmm, how do I differ with reality? Where did I say you did? We differ. I was referring to assumptions of yours that I differ with. You responded

Re: Fascist Censorship Spreads: Vichy Style

2004-08-25 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 25, 2004, at 6:03 PM, Dan Minette wrote: Please don't let's get started on *that* old song again... Listen: some people believe that there are such things as good and evil, and some people don't. This list contains both kinds, and it is extraordinarily unlikely that any more of the endless

Re: thinking about free will

2004-08-31 Thread Dave Land
Folks, From the posts I've seen on this list, I'm guessing that not too many here hold with Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker, who rejects both what he calls the naturalistic fallacy (the belief that if something is natural, it must be good) and the moralistic fallacy (the belief that moral

Re: Sleep apnea (was something else)

2004-09-01 Thread Dave Land
On Sep 1, 2004, at 7:52 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: CPAP compliance rates are around 40 percent -- most people can't tolerate it for one reason or another. There are some in-between surgeries, but their success rate is not great, except for one method that wears off after two years or so (that one

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