[ccp4bb] Richard Kahn

2011-10-11 Thread Rafael Molina
Dear ccp4 users, It is with great sadness that I announce that Dr. Richard Kahn, Life Sciences Research Director in CNRS at Institute de Biologie Structurale Jean-Pierre Ebel (IBS), passed away on October 1, 2011, in Grenoble. He was a superb crystallographer. He was always very keen to

[ccp4bb] Ice rings...

2011-10-11 Thread Francis E Reyes
All, So I have two intense ice rings where there appear to be lattice spots in between them. I understand that any reflections that lie directly on the ice ring are useless, however, how do software programs (HKL2000, d*Trek, mosflm, XDS) deal with these intermediate spots? It would seem

Re: [ccp4bb] Ice rings...

2011-10-11 Thread Bruno KLAHOLZ
Dear Francis, the spots will be excluded individually based on the inhomogeneous background, so you don't need to apply a resolution cutoff. However, once you have determined and refined your structure it may be worth predicting the intensity of these spots and put them back for map

Re: [ccp4bb] Ice rings...

2011-10-11 Thread Edward A. Berry
If the ice rings are really sharp, they trigger the bad background rejection in denzo/HKL2000. To reject more spots, increase the reject fraction 0.7 parameter to something greater than .7. This rejection is on a spot by spot basis, so spots with good background between the rings should not be

Re: [ccp4bb] Ice rings...

2011-10-11 Thread Dr. Thayumanasamy Somasundaram
Francis, I would like to bring your attention to our paper in Acta Cryst D Volume 66 (6), 741-744 (2010) where we deal with spots under the ice-rings. We have been very successful in eliminating the ice-rings and recover the data underneath. If you are interested you can request the Python

Re: [ccp4bb] Ice rings...

2011-10-11 Thread James Stroud
I've used a technique called annealing, which amounts to holding an index card between the cryo stream and the crystal for a few seconds then removing the card quickly. In my experience, about 70% of the time the diffraction is worse and about 30% of the time the ice rings will be gone with

Re: [ccp4bb] Ice rings... [maps and missing reflections]

2011-10-11 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 15:24 +, Bruno KLAHOLZ wrote: However, once you have determined and refined your structure it may be worth predicting the intensity of these spots and put them back for map calculation, REFMAC does this by default, because expected value of unknown structure factors

Re: [ccp4bb] Ice rings... [maps and missing reflections]

2011-10-11 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Ed Pozharski epozh...@umaryland.eduwrote: CNS defaults to excluding them. As for phenix, I am not entirely sure - it seems that phenix.refine does too (fill_missing_f_obs= False), but if you use the GUI then the fill in option is turned on. In practice, it

Re: [ccp4bb] Ice rings... [maps and missing reflections]

2011-10-11 Thread Pavel Afonine
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Ed Pozharski epozh...@umaryland.eduwrote: expected value of unknown structure factors for missing reflections are better approximated using DFc than with 0 values. better, but not always. What about say 80% or so complete dataset? Filling in 20% of Fcalc (or

[ccp4bb] off topic: Adobe demos deblur of photos...

2011-10-11 Thread Francis E Reyes
http://hoowstuffworks.blogspot.com/2011/10/adobe-demos-amazing-unblur-feature.html Though I can't really see the image myself... the gasp of the audience is telling With respect to existing density modification programs, I wonder if such technology (whatever it is) can ever clear up my messy

Re: [ccp4bb] off topic: Adobe demos deblur of photos...

2011-10-11 Thread Pete Meyer
I could be wrong, but my understanding is that they're removing motion blur from the image - so I don't think it'll be directly applicable to density modification. But I'd be very happy to be wrong on this one. Pete Francis E Reyes wrote:

Re: [ccp4bb] off topic: Adobe demos deblur of photos...

2011-10-11 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:21:41 am Francis E Reyes wrote: http://hoowstuffworks.blogspot.com/2011/10/adobe-demos-amazing-unblur-feature.html Though I can't really see the image myself... the gasp of the audience is telling With respect to existing density modification programs, I

Re: [ccp4bb] Ice rings... [maps and missing reflections]

2011-10-11 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 10:47 -0700, Pavel Afonine wrote: better, but not always. What about say 80% or so complete dataset? Filling in 20% of Fcalc (or DFcalc or bin-averaged Fobs or else - it doesn't matter, since the phase will dominate anyway) will highly bias the map towards the model.

Re: [ccp4bb] Ice rings... [maps and missing reflections]

2011-10-11 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Ed, On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Ed Pozharski epozh...@umaryland.eduwrote: On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 10:47 -0700, Pavel Afonine wrote: better, but not always. What about say 80% or so complete dataset? Filling in 20% of Fcalc (or DFcalc or bin-averaged Fobs or else - it doesn't

Re: [ccp4bb] off topic: Adobe demos deblur of photos...

2011-10-11 Thread Garib N Murshudov
Position (general motion blur is a special case of it) dependent blurring can be applied to denisty improvement but problem is extremely ill posed. While deblurring you need to reduce noise amplification. Proper regularisation needs to be designed, probem becomes NxN linear equation where N is

Re: [ccp4bb] Ice rings... [maps and missing reflections]

2011-10-11 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 11:54 -0700, Pavel Afonine wrote: Yep, that was the point - sometimes it is good to do, and sometimes it is not, and Do you have a real life example of Fobs=0 being better? You make it sound as if it's 50/50 situation. -- Hurry up before we all come back to our senses!

[ccp4bb] Pointless (P41) vs. Phaser (P43)

2011-10-11 Thread Young-Jin Cho
Hi all, I recently got diffraction data of 214 AA protein. When I processed the data, pointless suggested me a space group as P41. However, when I ran Phaser with 'all choices of alternate space group', it gave me a pdb file with P43. Additionally, phenix.xtriage suggested me P422 with twin laws

Re: [ccp4bb] Ice rings... [maps and missing reflections]

2011-10-11 Thread Pavel Afonine
Do you have a real life example of Fobs=0 being better? Hopefully, there will be a paper some time soon discussing all this - we work on this right now. You make it sound as if it's 50/50 situation. No (sorry if what I wrote sounded that misleading). Pavel

Re: [ccp4bb] Pointless (P41) vs. Phaser (P43)

2011-10-11 Thread Frederic VELLIEUX
P4(1) and P4(3) are enantiomorphic space groups. The only difference is the helix (one way, or another). No difference in the diffraction pattern. Hence a program (or a crystallographer) cannot distinguish the 2 based on the diffraction pattern. Once you start phasing, e.g. by molecular

Re: [ccp4bb] Ice rings... [maps and missing reflections]

2011-10-11 Thread Randy Read
If the model is really bad and sigmaA is estimated properly, then sigmaA will be close to zero so that D (sigmaA times a scale factor) will be close to zero. So in the limit of a completely useless model, the two methods of map calculation converge. Regards, Randy Read On 11 Oct 2011, at

Re: [ccp4bb] Ice rings... [maps and missing reflections]

2011-10-11 Thread Garib N Murshudov
In the limit yes. however limit is when we do not have solution, i.e. when model errors are very large. In the limit map coefficients will be 0 even for 2mFo-DFc maps. In refinement we have some model. At the moment we have choice between 0 and DFc. 0 is not the best estimate as Ed rightly

Re: [ccp4bb] Ice rings... [maps and missing reflections]

2011-10-11 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:33:09 pm Garib N Murshudov wrote: In the limit yes. however limit is when we do not have solution, i.e. when model errors are very large. In the limit map coefficients will be 0 even for 2mFo-DFc maps. In refinement we have some model. At the moment we have

Re: [ccp4bb] Ice rings... [maps and missing reflections]

2011-10-11 Thread Dale Tronrud
On 10/11/11 12:58, Ethan Merritt wrote: On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:33:09 pm Garib N Murshudov wrote: In the limit yes. however limit is when we do not have solution, i.e. when model errors are very large. In the limit map coefficients will be 0 even for 2mFo-DFc maps. In refinement we

[ccp4bb] Industrial Research Associate Position

2011-10-11 Thread Bussiere, Dirksen
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Re: [ccp4bb] Ice rings... [maps and missing reflections]

2011-10-11 Thread Garib N Murshudov
Best way would be to generate from probability distributions derived after refinement, but it has a problem that you need to integrate over all errors. Another, simpler way would be generate using Wilson distribution multiple times and do refinement multiple times and average results. I have

Re: [ccp4bb] Ice rings... [maps and missing reflections]

2011-10-11 Thread Ethan Merritt
On 10/11/11 12:58, Ethan Merritt wrote: On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:33:09 pm Garib N Murshudov wrote: In the limit yes. however limit is when we do not have solution, i.e. when model errors are very large. In the limit map coefficients will be 0 even for 2mFo-DFc maps. In

[ccp4bb] change of origin for reflections or map

2011-10-11 Thread Klaas Decanniere
Hi, I have two solutions from the ShelX C/D/E pipeline I would like to compare (different datasets, same protein). They seem to have different origins. Space group is I222, with a choice of 8 origins. How can I find and apply the correct shift to have the phase sets on a common origin? The

Re: [ccp4bb] change of origin for reflections or map

2011-10-11 Thread George M. Sheldrick
There are 4 possible origins in I222. There is a simple but inelegant way to check. Run the SHELXE job for the second dataset four times, first with no MOVE instruction, then with one of the following MOVE instructions inserted between UNIT and the first atom in the *_fa.res file from SHELXD:

[ccp4bb] Postdoctoral position - membrane protein structure determination

2011-10-11 Thread Dr. M. Joanne Lemieux
Applications are invited for a postdoctoral position to work on the development of high throughput techniques for membrane protein structure determination in collaboration with the Canadian Light Source researches Drs. P. Grochulski and M. Fodje. The Canadian Macromolecular Crystallography

Re: [ccp4bb] change of origin for reflections or map

2011-10-11 Thread James Holton
I wrote a little jiffy program for doing things like this: http://bl831.als.lbl.gov/~jamesh/pickup/origins.com you run it like this: origins.com rigthorigin.pdb wrongorigin.pdb I222 correlate This will shift wrongorigin.pdb by each of what I think are the allowed origin shifts, calculate an

Re: [ccp4bb] what is this called?

2011-10-11 Thread James Holton
I think this is called P21, with the additional annoyance that you need to pick your Rfree set in P212121 and then symmetry-expand it. Otherwise, your NCS operators will constrain your free reflections to have the same intensity as their NCS mates. I'm sure you didn't make that mistake, but a lot