Re: [ccp4bb] ctruncate bug?

2013-06-21 Thread Phil
However you decide to argue the point, you must consider _all_ the observations of a reflection (replicates and symmetry related) together when you infer Itrue or F etc, otherwise you will bias the result even more. Thus you cannot (easily) do it during integration Phil Sent from my iPad

Re: [ccp4bb] Which program sequence to use in transforming from P1 to orthorhombic?

2013-02-12 Thread Phil
Scale constant in Aimless or Scala should do it. I should probably make that automatic. I should probably also add a CIF reader to Pointless. Is there a good (easy) C++ one out there? Phil Sent from my iPad On 12 Feb 2013, at 08:08, Jens Kaiser kai...@caltech.edu wrote: Ethan, The last

Re: [ccp4bb] Which program sequence to use in transforming from P1 to orthorhombic?

2013-02-12 Thread Phil
Ah I'm not sure about that. It may be possible to tell ctruncate not to do this. Actually if you started with Fs you don't want to truncate the data. Maybe use old truncate with the notruncate option Phil Sent from my iPad On 12 Feb 2013, at 18:48, Ethan Merritt merr...@u.washington.edu wrote

Re: [ccp4bb] random half data sets

2014-08-12 Thread Phil
Aimless can output scaled but unmerged data OUTPUT UNMERGED Or from ccp4i Phil Sent from my iPad On 12 Aug 2014, at 19:32, Kay Diederichs kay.diederi...@uni-konstanz.de wrote: Hi Mike, this requires scaled but unmerged data, and there are few programs that support unmerged MTZ files

Re: [ccp4bb] mtz format problem from iMosflm

2015-05-30 Thread Phil
AIMLESS.MTZ with the output file from Aimless (called “aimless_???.mtz in the iMosflm QuickScale option). I don’t know how the Scalepack format deals with reflections that strong - that’s one for Phil Evans to address, maybe with help from ZO or Wladek. The immediate way round the problem might

Re: [ccp4bb] AIMLESS unmerged MTZ output

2017-06-22 Thread Phil
Yes. With the caveat that ISYM refers to the symmetry operators in the order they are stored in the MTZ file Phil Sent from my iPhone > On 22 Jun 2017, at 17:04, wtempel <wtem...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello all, > > Are the following statements regarding AIMLESS unmerge

Re: [ccp4bb] AIMLESS unmerged MTZ output

2017-06-23 Thread Phil
Aimless Phil Sent from my iPhone > On 23 Jun 2017, at 18:46, wtempel <wtem...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello Phil, > the order of reflections, or the order of operators? How would I reproduce > "Orig." H K L, as VIEWHKL appears to do? > Thank you. > Wolfram

Re: [ccp4bb] AIMLESS unmerged MTZ output

2017-06-24 Thread Phil
followed by (h' k' l') measured. I think the M/ISYM was > introduced to save file space but it is kind of redundant now! and a bit > flawed, as it depends on assigned symop numbering , Is it time to chang?? > E > > > >> On 23 June 2017 at 22:18, Phil <p...@mrc-lmb.ca

Re: [ccp4bb] solution for the ref format problem

2017-10-20 Thread Phil
It’s probably better to combine the MTZ files with Pointless rather than sortmtz as that will also check the point group Phil Sent from my iPhone > On 20 Oct 2017, at 18:57, Gottfried Palm <p...@uni-greifswald.de> wrote: > > Dear all, > technically, the ccp4bb (espec

Re: [ccp4bb] VERY old mtz file..

2018-11-13 Thread Phil
MTZ was always 32 bit floats for the main data, with ASCII headers at the end Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Nov 2018, at 21:29, Ethan A Merritt wrote: > >> On Tuesday, November 13, 2018 1:06:01 PM PST Zhijie Li wrote: >> Hi Ethan, >> Thanks for the information. My guess is that in MTZ only

Re: [ccp4bb] Combining MR and SIR phases

2019-07-23 Thread Phil
Nomenclature: pure SIR or MIR without anomalous has almost never been used, since the beginning of macromolecular crystallography (why would you?). So those of us who are lazy have often used SIR/MIR when we meant SIRAS/MIRAS: we should be more precise. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On 23

Re: [ccp4bb] aimless outputs mean intensities for friedel pairs

2020-03-31 Thread Phil
Indeed, centric reflections should have no anomalous signal after merging Phil Sent from my iPhone > On 31 Mar 2020, at 05:48, Kevin Jude wrote: > >  > I've had two more helpful responses to this off-list. My crystal is P43212, > so there are large swaths of centric ref

Re: [ccp4bb] Scaling problem with multiple crystals

2013-05-10 Thread Phil Evans
than Scala in some cases Other things to try. If you have several crystals, one (or more) may just be bad. You can try scaling them separately, or using the scale constant option just to diagnose which crystals would be better omitted Phil On 10 May 2013, at 16:04, amit sharma amit_sps2

Re: [ccp4bb] reference for true multiplicity?

2013-05-14 Thread Phil Evans
of anomalous differences (ANOMALOUS MATCH) but all the tests I've done using this option gave worse results than just merging everything. For this reason I haven't implemented the option in Aimless. Phil On 14 May 2013, at 12:07, Frank von Delft frank.vonde...@sgc.ox.ac.uk wrote: It's not about

Re: [ccp4bb] High Rwork/Rfree values

2013-06-24 Thread Phil Jeffrey
the space group by inspection afterwards Phil Jeffrey Princeton

Re: [ccp4bb] HKL2000 sigma cutoff

2013-07-05 Thread Phil Jeffrey
the TRUNCATE YES option in Truncate ? Does the output MTZ from Scalepack2mtz show the number of reflections you expect ? Phil Jeffrey Princeton On 7/5/13 3:24 PM, Ursula Schulze-Gahmen wrote: Sorry for the non-CCP4 question. I am confused about the sigma cutoff used by HKL2000 for scaling. I scaled

[ccp4bb] Use Pointless to prepare XDS files for Aimless, not Combat

2013-07-10 Thread Phil Evans
Scalepack files and ShelX files: these are not normally suitable for scaling, but may be used for statistical analysis in Aimless with SCALES CONSTANT or ONLYMERGE options Combat may be useful for conversion of other file formats not read by Pointless, but caveat emptor Phil

Re: [ccp4bb] frosted crystals during storage in pucks

2013-07-17 Thread Phil Evans
In response I felt I had to post the low-tech version (not mine)PhilOn 16 Jul 2013, at 11:57, Edward Lowe edward.l...@bioch.ox.ac.uk wrote:At Elspeth's request, here's a link to a picture of the rack we use fordrying out shipping

Re: [ccp4bb] mmCIF as working format?

2013-08-05 Thread Phil Jeffrey
) Using mmCIF as an archive format makes sense, but I doubt it's going to make building structures any easier except for particularly large structures where some extended-PDB format might work just as well or better. Phil Jeffrey Princeton On 8/5/13 9:53 AM, Pavel Afonine wrote: Editing

Re: [ccp4bb] mmCIF as working format?

2013-08-08 Thread Phil Evans
I hope that some [X]Emacs expert can rewrite Charlie Bond's wonderful pdb-mode to work with mmCIF files (or at least the coordinate bits) … for exactly the reasons Phil Jeffrey points out Phil On 8 Aug 2013, at 00:54, Jeffrey, Philip D. pjeff...@princeton.edu wrote: Nat Echols wrote

Re: [ccp4bb] mmCIF as working format?

2013-08-08 Thread Phil Jeffrey
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Re: [ccp4bb] Error running Pointless in CCP4-6.3 OSX (10.8)

2013-08-12 Thread Phil Evans
://ftp.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/pub/pre/pointless-1.8.7.osx10.8static which may help Phil On 12 Aug 2013, at 11:01, Sheena McGowan (Med) sheena.mcgo...@monash.edu wrote: Hi Thanks for that. The latest build of OSX pointless gave us the same error (dyld: Symbol not found: __ZNSt11range_errorD1Ev

Re: [ccp4bb] Rmerge of the last shell is zero

2013-08-14 Thread Phil Evans
multiplicity = 1.0? On 14 Aug 2013, at 15:59, Yafang Chen yafangche...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, I recently processed a dataset, in which I/sigmaI of the last shell is 2.3, while Rmerge of the last shell is 0. Does anyone know why the Rmerge is 0? The completeness is 100 (100). Thank

Re: [ccp4bb] Resolution, R factors and data quality

2013-08-27 Thread Phil Evans
The question you should ask yourself is why would omitting data improve my model? Phil On 27 Aug 2013, at 02:49, Emily Golden 10417...@student.uwa.edu.au wrote: Hi All, I have collected diffraction images to 1 Angstrom resolution to the edge of the detector and 0.9A to the corner.I

Re: [ccp4bb] Resolution, R factors and data quality

2013-08-28 Thread Phil Evans
the name CC_IMEAN. It's now called CC1/2 in Aimless (and Scala) following Kai's excellent suggestion. Phil On 28 Aug 2013, at 08:21, Bernhard Rupp hofkristall...@gmail.com wrote: Based on the simulations I've done the data should be cut at CC1/2 = 0. Seriously. Problem is figuring out where

Re: [ccp4bb] Resolution, R factors and data quality

2013-08-28 Thread Phil Evans
Aimless does indeed calculate the point at which CC1/2 falls below 0.5 but I would not necessarily suggest that as the best cutoff point. Personally I would also look at I/sigI, anisotropy and completeness, but as I said at that point I don't think it makes a huge difference Phil On 28 Aug

Re: [ccp4bb] from sca to CC1/2

2013-09-18 Thread Phil Evans
As long as the .sca file is scaled but unmerged, then one way is pointless -copy scain denzo.sca hklout denzo.mtz aimless hklin denzo.mtz EOF scales constant onlymerge EOF Phil On 18 Sep 2013, at 11:21, Francesco Angelucci francesco.angelu...@uniroma1.it wrote: Dear All, I am wondering

Re: [ccp4bb] Code to handle the syntax of (mm)CIF data correctly.

2013-09-18 Thread Phil Evans
ones should I expect? And is there a distinction between merged and unmerged data? confused (easily) Phil On 17 Sep 2013, at 15:30, Peter Keller pkel...@globalphasing.com wrote: Dear all, At Global Phasing, we have seen that there are still issues with the way that different applications

Re: [ccp4bb] Code to handle the syntax of (mm)CIF data correctly.

2013-09-18 Thread Phil Evans
quotes if they occur at both ends of the token will probably fall over somewhere Phil On 18 Sep 2013, at 15:41, Peter Keller pkel...@globalphasing.com wrote: Hi Phil, I agree that the issue that you raise (about the need to define the data items and categories propery) is an important one

Re: [ccp4bb] Code to handle the syntax of (mm)CIF data correctly.

2013-09-19 Thread Phil Evans
range) and speed. A quick comparison (using Pointless) Read 5.3e6 reflections from a formatted XDS INTEGRATE.HKL file, 608MB, 15 secs Read equivalent binary MTZ file, 262MB, 2.6 secs Phil On 18 Sep 2013, at 15:58, yayahjb yaya...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Colleagues, There are two major issues

Re: [ccp4bb] Code to handle the syntax of (mm)CIF data correctly.

2013-09-19 Thread Phil Evans
) may have multiple indices hkl attached to it, and this doesn't fit neatly into a rectangular array without padding. Phil On 19 Sep 2013, at 12:11, Eugene Krissinel eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Completely agree. Perhaps there could be a distinction between working and deposition formats

Re: [ccp4bb] how to cut back resolution of a well-refined model

2013-10-10 Thread Phil Evans
Please explain how you think that cutting back the resolution will improve your model Phil On 10 Oct 2013, at 21:57, Yafang Chen yafangche...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I have a structure at 2.45A which has been well refined. However, since the R-merge at the last shell is above 1 (although

Re: [ccp4bb] A case of perfect pseudomerehedral twinning?

2013-10-15 Thread Phil Jeffrey
of the P21 asymmetric unit if it was really P212121 and you could overlap the maps corresponding to the different monomers using those programs. Phil Jeffrey Princeton

Re: [ccp4bb] Problematic PDBs

2013-10-17 Thread Phil Jeffrey
: ftp://ftp.rcsb.org/pub/pdb/data/structures/obsolete/XML/js/1jsq.xml.gz‎ Phil Jeffrey Princeton On 10/17/13 10:26 AM, Nat Echols wrote: On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Lucas lucasbleic...@gmail.com mailto:lucasbleic...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if there's a list of problematic structures

Re: [ccp4bb] Tool to compute F/FP from F(+) / F(-)

2013-10-25 Thread Phil Evans
That won't work. Aimless expects intensities not Fs. I would think you could do it with sftools Phil On 25 Oct 2013, at 09:54, Tim Gruene t...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Rojan, I would try aimless with the option 'onlymerge'. Best

Re: [ccp4bb] Conflicting Qt on OS X 10.6

2013-10-28 Thread Phil Evans
I had this problem last week but it seems to have been solved by reinstalling the ccp4 6.4.0 package today, slightly updated I believe There was message from Eugene Krissinel which may be relevant to this Phil On 28 Oct 2013, at 16:00, Dmitry Rodionov d.rodio...@gmail.com wrote: Good day

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Citing Aimless

2013-11-07 Thread Phil Evans
It should be printed at the end of the log file P.R.Evans and G.N.Murshudov, 'How good are my data and what is the resolution?' Acta Cryst. D69, 1204-1214 (2013). Phil On 8 Nov 2013, at 11:35, Zheng Zhou zhengzho...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all I am also looking for aimless reference

Re: [ccp4bb] observed criterion sigma

2013-11-14 Thread Phil Evans
Always deprecated, hopefully never common! On 14 Nov 2013, at 11:27, Mark J van Raaij mjvanra...@cnb.csic.es wrote: It used to be common to only include reflections for which I x sigma(I) in refinement, with x often being 3. However, nowadays this is not considered good practise, as

Re: [ccp4bb] Weird MR result

2013-11-14 Thread Phil Jeffrey
hope you don't have something like that, but it's possible. Phil Jeffrey Princeton On 11/14/13 5:22 PM, Niu Tou wrote: Dear All, I have a strange MR case which do not know how to interpret, I wonder if any one had similar experiences. The output model does not fit into the map at all, as shown

Re: [ccp4bb] ccp4 man-pages

2013-11-15 Thread Phil Evans
AFAICS the .doc files look as if they were auto-generated from the .html files in 6.3.0. Certainly the only documentation I have written for Pointless and Aimless is in html Phil On 15 Nov 2013, at 14:33, Edward A. Berry ber...@upstate.edu wrote: (assuming of course the .doc files aren't

Re: [ccp4bb] 100% Rmerge in high resolution shell

2013-11-19 Thread Phil Evans
I've generally found that adding lines to the standard table works, and they are not removed by editors On 19 Nov 2013, at 09:32, Tim Gruene t...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Graeme, On 11/19/2013 09:02 AM, Graeme Winter wrote: [...]

Re: [ccp4bb] How can I find the other molecule in the asymmetric unit?

2013-11-21 Thread Phil Jeffrey
that the fourth molecule is not what you think it is, or may be statistically disordered Phil Jeffrey Princeton On 11/21/13 12:35 PM, Meisam wrote: Dear CCP4ers I have a data set that diffracts 1.96 Å. It scales in P21 Space group with 7% linear Rfactor. The Mattew coefficient gives 10% probability for 3

Re: [ccp4bb] Orientation of molecules

2013-11-21 Thread Phil Jeffrey
I use emacs and/or grep for this. Phil Jeffrey Princeton 11/21/13 1:11 PM, Appu kumar wrote: Dear All, I think i have not explained my problem precisely. This may be weird one but let me elaborate more. I have have a protein moleculeA, having N-term, and C-term end

Re: [ccp4bb] Experience with Biomek 2000 liquid-handling system

2013-12-09 Thread Phil Bourne
, Phil Bourne -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Anton Meinhart Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 8:25 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Experience with Biomek 2000 liquid-handling system Dear all, does anyone have experience

Re: [ccp4bb] scala discrepancy between versions

2013-12-10 Thread Phil Evans
Scala. I will investigate, but in the meantime you could just copy an old version of Scala into the updated ccp4 directory (i.e. into $CBIN == CCP4/bin/) Phil On 10 Dec 2013, at 04:05, Jens Kaiser kai...@caltech.edu wrote: Dear developers, We have been doing the local scaling with scala

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: undefined edensity blob at glutamine sidechain

2013-12-10 Thread Phil Jeffrey
the expedient thing and drop an Au in there with e.g. 0.5 occupancy (or a range of occupancies) and see what the refinement does. Phil Jeffrey Princeton On 12/10/13 7:44 AM, PriyankMaindola wrote: ​ dear members i am trying to solve this crystal structure but ​I am puzzled with an​ undefined blob

Re: [ccp4bb] determining best of alternative indexes with POINTLESS

2014-01-16 Thread Phil Evans
Indeed that is a bug. I've never tried that combination before. I'll fix it Phil On 16 Jan 2014, at 20:32, wtempel wtem...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, using merged scalepack intensities and a reference MTZ file as inputs, I would like to prepare an MTZ of scalepack intensities reindexed so

Re: [ccp4bb] I/sigmaI or I/sigmaI

2014-02-12 Thread Phil Evans
I/sigmaI On 12 Feb 2014, at 11:43, Cai Qixu caiq...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, Does the I/sigmaI in “Table 1” mean for I/sigmaI or I/sigmaI ? Thanks for your answer. Best wishes, Qixu Cai

Re: [ccp4bb] KD of dimerization, off topic

2014-02-14 Thread Phil Jeffrey
the Kd in the injector. That's not exactly the same situation, but 80x vs 170x suggests the the considerations are much the same. Phil Jeffrey Princeton On 2/14/14 12:52 PM, Keller, Jacob wrote: What a nice idea this ITC dilution is--a great example of a wet lab technique learned en passant

Re: [ccp4bb] pairwise CCano

2014-03-14 Thread Phil Evans
If you assigns them to different datasets in Pointless, then Aimless will give you the cross-dataset correlations. By default it will scale them to together first, but you can skip that if you want It might not scale well to a large number of files (OK up to about 10 I guess) Phil On 14 Mar

Re: [ccp4bb] difference between polar angle and eulerian angle

2014-03-27 Thread Phil Evans
The polar angles ϕ, ω define the direction of an axis about which a rotation by angle κ occurs, i.e. a single rotation around a defined axis. This is different from Eulerian angles which define 3 successive rotations around principal axes On 27 Mar 2014, at 06:11, Qixu Cai caiq...@gmail.com

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4i aimless problem, no HKLIN

2014-04-08 Thread Phil Evans
Just tested with a clean binary install on a Mac (running 10.8), and it works for me Phil On 8 Apr 2014, at 15:19, Björn Kauppi bjorn.kau...@karobio.se wrote: Hi I run latest CCP4 as of today, 6.4.0 update 12 and CCP4i 2.2.1 When trying to run pointless/aimless from the interface

Re: [ccp4bb] anomalous signal

2014-04-26 Thread Phil Evans
usually the best thing to do to start with Phil On 26 Apr 2014, at 14:38, Faisal Tarique faisaltari...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Eleanor and Tim. i have reprocessed the data through imosflm and run the aimless through the unmerged output mtz..i am attaching the output log file of the aimless

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-14 Thread Phil Jeffrey
with the relevant PDB file(s). Phil Jeffrey Princeton On 5/14/14 1:37 PM, Gloria Borgstahl wrote: I vote for Z's idea On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Zachary Wood z...@bmb.uga.edu mailto:z...@bmb.uga.edu wrote: Hello All, Instead of placing the additional burden of policing on the good

Re: [ccp4bb] C2/I2 space groups

2014-05-21 Thread Phil Evans
I2 and C2 are different settings of the same group. The official IUCr convention is to use the one which gives the beta angle closer to 90 degrees. As far as I know all programs should now be able to use the I2 setting, but if it worries you, you can reindex to C2 Phil On 21 May 2014, at 17

Re: [ccp4bb] Potentially serious if unusual bug in handling symmetry

2014-05-23 Thread Phil Evans
Surely Refmac or any other program should honour the symmetry operators in the MTZ file - that's why they are there! Phil On 23 May 2014, at 12:34, Eleanor Dodson eleanor.dod...@york.ac.uk wrote: Someone here has seen his Rfactors leap from 18% to 42% and was naturally distressed! We

Re: [ccp4bb] Potentially serious if unusual bug in handling symmetry

2014-05-23 Thread Phil Evans
don't know how to make an mtz file with P 2 21 21 /sgn 18, but I will look into it Phil On 23 May 2014, at 12:34, Eleanor Dodson eleanor.dod...@york.ac.uk wrote: Someone here has seen his Rfactors leap from 18% to 42% and was naturally distressed! We have tracked down the problem

Re: [ccp4bb] (high) values of R-factors in outermost resolution shell

2014-06-02 Thread Phil Evans
That looks good to me Mean(I/sigma) = 2.0, CC1/2 0.74 See endless discussions on this BB about the uselessness of Rmerge as a resolution criterion Phil On 2 Jun 2014, at 09:27, sreetama das somon_...@yahoo.co.in wrote: Dear All, What are reasonable values of Rmerge

Re: [ccp4bb] merging of reflection with identical indices

2014-06-10 Thread Phil Evans
(and a few other conditions, e.g. total fraction). Output from COMBAT may be wrong in this respect Phil On 10 Jun 2014, at 17:23, wtempel wtem...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, suppose I extracted H K L Intensity sigma[Intensity] from a file of unmerged intensities, such XDS_ASCII.HKL or scalepack

Re: [ccp4bb] m_range_check error in aimless

2014-06-13 Thread Phil Evans
What version of Aimless are you running? I thought I had fixed that bug Phil On 13 Jun 2014, at 11:59, Andreas Förster docandr...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, I'm trying to scale/merge mtz files in ccp4 (Pointless/Aimless/ctruncate/Rfree pipeline) and keep getting an UNHANDLED EXCEPTION

Re: [ccp4bb] Proper detwinning?

2014-07-11 Thread Phil Jeffrey
and probably consider using NCS to reduce the random deviation between monomers that actually are identical by symmetry. You may have assigned the crystallographic 21 down the wrong unit cell axis in that P21 test case. Phil Jeffrey Princeton On 7/11/14 7:33 PM, Chris Fage wrote: Nat and Misha

Re: [ccp4bb] mtz2cif capable of handling map coefficients

2012-04-05 Thread Phil Jeffrey
map coefficients - so I don't see the benefit of Fc. The map coefficients, on the other hand, are a checkpoint of the maps being looked at by the author at the time of deposition and don't require programs beyond a typical visualization program (i.e. Coot) to view. Phil Jeffrey Princeton On 4/5

Re: [ccp4bb] Error in Scala

2012-04-06 Thread Phil Evans
Do run the data through Pointless before Scala to check the point group. Try scales constant just to check that things aren't completely hopeless Phil On 6 Apr 2012, at 20:29, Yuri Pompeu wrote: Hi everyone, Sorry for the newbie type problems, but I am just starting to use ccp4 for data

Re: [ccp4bb] scala - handling of anomalous data

2012-04-06 Thread Phil Evans
I wouldn't recommend this option Phil On 6 Apr 2012, at 21:41, Matthew Chu wrote: Hi all, Can someone kindly explain what is that match pairs related by inversion of indices option doing for handling anomalous data? If I have collected the inverse beam data, does it mean I have to use

Re: [ccp4bb] very informative - Trends in Data Fabrication

2012-04-09 Thread Phil Evans
tells us how many data were used, not their quality nor the quality of the model. Phil

Re: [ccp4bb] very informative - Trends in Data Fabrication

2012-04-09 Thread Phil Evans
I've done that in papers The more fundamental problem is in the end what we want to know are things like is residue 43 close to residue 146?, which side chains interact with the ligand? etc etc and resolution is only a very rough guide to the correctness of such conclusions Phil On 9 Apr

Re: [ccp4bb] iMosflm version 1.0.6 Mosflm version 7.0.8

2012-04-16 Thread Phil Evans
or unmerged data (MTZ or Scalepack format, or both) Phil On 16 Apr 2012, at 15:42, Jacob Keller wrote: Where can one find a discussion of the differences between Aimless and Scala? JPK On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Harry Powell ha...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk wrote: Dear all We are pleased

Re: [ccp4bb] indexing(?) question in P21

2012-04-19 Thread Phil Jeffrey
Wolfram, Did you solve these structures independently by molecular replacement ? It sounds like your two solutions might be related by alternative origins (0,1/2 along a,c). If you translate the second example along the a axis by -a/2 does it refine with similar R-factors ? Phil Jeffrey

Re: [ccp4bb] table 1 and scalar

2012-05-06 Thread Phil Evans
Yes Sent from my iPhone On 6 May 2012, at 11:21, Acoot Brett acootbr...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear All, In the crystallography paper table 1, there is Values in parentheses are for the highest resolution shell. Is this highest resolution shell same as the OuterShell for the analysis result

Re: [ccp4bb] P21221 to P21212 conversion

2012-05-07 Thread Phil Jeffrey
Scalepack differs depending on what space group you tell it, since systematic absences along h00, 0k0 and 00l in P2x2x2x are not written out. The number of reflections affected is quite small, of course. Phil Jeffrey Princeton On 5/7/12 4:48 PM, Jacob Keller wrote: Is it true that HKL

Re: [ccp4bb] zero mosaicity

2012-05-25 Thread Phil Evans
SCALA doesn't do anything with the mosaicity, it just reports what was passed from the integration program. On 25 May 2012, at 17:12, Ed Pozharski wrote: I should do more digging, but I hope maybe there is a simple explanation and someone has seen this before. On some datasets (collected at

Re: [ccp4bb] P321 space group reindex problem

2012-05-29 Thread Phil Evans
program itself inverted the hand due to a bug (this has been know, but not for a long time) Phil On 29 May 2012, at 12:55, Mark J van Raaij wrote: In different datasets of P321 crystals, when you index them separately, the hand may be different and you may need to invert it for some

Re: [ccp4bb] P321 space group reindex problem

2012-05-29 Thread Phil Evans
On 29 May 2012, at 15:02, Ian Tickle wrote: Phil, On 29 May 2012 14:08, Phil Evans p...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk wrote: NO do NOT invert the hand. If you do you will end up with left-handed helices etc Surely not if you take care to also change the signs of the anomalous differences? I

Re: [ccp4bb] P321 space group reindex problem

2012-05-29 Thread Phil Evans
a.u. of the _different_ setting! Apologies, you are right, for 321 the reindexing operator is (-h,-k,l). But Pointless will do it correctly (I believe!) Phil On 29 May 2012, at 14:29, George Sheldrick wrote: Which programs require that the data be the 'standard' a.u.? None of mine require

Re: [ccp4bb] P321 space group reindex problem

2012-05-29 Thread Phil Evans
Phil On 29 May 2012, at 16:29, Qixu Cai wrote: Dear all, thank you for your help. I think I must describe my case in detail. I collected a native dataset and two heavy atom derivant datasets (in fact, i don not know whether these two kind of heavy atom have soked into the crystal, i just

Re: [ccp4bb] Death of Rmerge

2012-06-01 Thread Phil Evans
Merritt We should also encourage people not to confuse the quality of the data with the quality of the model. Phil On 1 Jun 2012, at 18:59, aaleshin wrote: Please excuse my ignorance, but I cannot understand why Rmerge is unreliable for estimation of the resolution? I mean, from

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-06 Thread Phil Evans
No they were not useless! I used them (probably better now with cryo data though) Phil On 6 Jun 2012, at 16:02, Dyda wrote: I suspect that pure MIR (without anomalous) was always a fiction. I doubt that anyone has ever used it. Heavy atoms always give an anomalous signal Phil I

Re: [ccp4bb] Fun Question - Is multiple isomorphous replacement an obsolete technique?

2012-06-13 Thread Phil Evans
to be real signal. SCALA allows you the (unrecommended) option to separate I+ and I- in scaling, but I haven't programmed this in AIMLESS since I have never seen a case where it would be a good idea. As far as I know, in CCP4 you only lose I+ and I- if you explicitly remove them. Phil On 13 Jun

Re: [ccp4bb] Requesting old data sets

2012-07-03 Thread Phil Evans
Personally I'd be happy to share my old datasets if I could find them Phil On 3 Jul 2012, at 03:39, Bosch, Juergen wrote: Dear CCP4 community, what's the general opinion regarding sharing old published data sets ? Would you be offended if I asked you for your raw images from say a 5-10 year

[ccp4bb] SCALA keywords for merging Scalepack (no merge original index) data ?

2012-07-03 Thread Phil Jeffrey
to avoid applying things twice. Thanks Phil Jeffrey Princeton

Re: [ccp4bb] value of observed criterion sigma

2012-07-31 Thread Phil Jeffrey
reported by Scalepack in the log file is I/sigma(I) and not I/sigma(I) for the shell. The PDB format in REMARK 200 wants the latter. One of these days one hopes RCSB might include Rmeas in REMARK 200. Phil Jeffrey Princeton On 7/31/12 8:54 AM, Faisal Tarique wrote: Dear all i have two basic

Re: [ccp4bb] Process multiple data sets

2012-08-01 Thread Phil Evans
programs work perfectly well) However, Pointless may still be useful to check that you have indexed them consistently Phil On 1 Aug 2012, at 14:36, Harry Powell wrote: Hi I'd process (i.e. index, refine, integrate) each data set individually, check that (at least) they all have the same crystal

Re: [ccp4bb] Process multiple data sets

2012-08-02 Thread Phil Evans
prevent their merging. The program Pointless would sort that out for you. Phil On 2 Aug 2012, at 00:45, Edwin Pozharski wrote: The unit cells is slightly different from each other. For example, one has a/b/c @ 79/126/83. The other has a/b/c @ 84/127/90. Although they are collected from

Re: [ccp4bb] SCALA bugs in CCP4 6.3.0?

2012-08-04 Thread Phil Evans
This must be a problem on Windows as it doesn't show up on OSX or Linux, and this code hasn't changed for a long time, I think David I guess you will feed this back to me: I don't have any way of testing on Windows Anyway, Aimless should be better :-) Phil On 4 Aug 2012, at 14:26, David

Re: [ccp4bb] Re-processing HKL3000 reduced data using Mosfilm to obtain Rmeas

2012-08-16 Thread Phil Evans
wouldn't recommend it Phil On 16 Aug 2012, at 16:12, Ryan Bauer wrote: I am working with CCP4 6.1.13 and want to re-process my raw image files to obtain the multiplicity-weighed Rmeas/Rrim from SCALA. The .x files were previously processed using HKL3000 at the Advanced Photon Source at Argonne

Re: [ccp4bb] Angle between monomer of a dimer

2012-08-24 Thread Phil Evans
the angle of rotation is kappa = 160.045deg in this case On 24 Aug 2012, at 04:33, Appu kumar wrote: Sir one more help plz i have the following matrix which one shall i use to calculate the angle. INFO:: coordinates transformed by orthonal matrix: | -0.6927, -0.7191,0.0564| |

Re: [ccp4bb] Determining Rpim value

2012-09-04 Thread Phil Jeffrey
constant exclude sdmin 2.0 sdcorrection fixsdb noadjust norefine both 1.0 0.0 anomalous off EOF Corrections, comments or outright repudiation of this script quite welcome - this was my first attempt. Phil Jeffrey Princeton On 9/4/12 6:14 PM, Michelle Deaton wrote: I am trying to obtain an Rpim

Re: [ccp4bb] Compounded problems for molecular replacement

2012-10-26 Thread Phil Jeffrey
Hello Jose, Depending on what data integration program you used, trying XDS may help you out a little with spot overlap. Example #3 in my rather out-of-date page: http://xray0.princeton.edu/~phil/Facility/Guides/MolecularReplacement.html illustrates how you could find 8 domains, especially

Re: [ccp4bb] vitrification vs freezing

2012-11-15 Thread Phil Jeffrey
Perhaps it's an artisan organic locavore fruit cake. Either way, your *crystal* is not vitrified. The solvent in your crystal might be glassy but your protein better still hold crystalline order (cf. ice) or you've wasted your time. Ergo, cryo-cooled is the description to use. Phil Jeffrey

Re: [ccp4bb] Does Scala merge anomalous/non-anomalous?

2012-12-05 Thread Phil Evans
anyway) will automatically switch on the Anomalous flag if there appears to be a significant anomalous signal, unless you explicitly tell it not to (to avoid accidentally rejecting good anomalous differences as outliers) Phil On 5 Dec 2012, at 09:35, Tim Gruene wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED

Re: [ccp4bb] thanks god for pdbset

2012-12-05 Thread Phil Evans
not god I don't think I wrote that bit! Phil On 5 Dec 2012, at 15:06, Ed Pozharski wrote: Francois, I did not realize Phil Evans is god (perhaps a minor one as he did not yet earn a capital G). I do concur that insertion code is evil. I had to re-refine an old antibody structure

Re: [ccp4bb] refining against weak data and Table I stats

2012-12-07 Thread Phil Evans
It is internally consistent, though not necessarily correct On 7 Dec 2012, at 16:23, Alan Cheung wrote: Related to this, I've always wondered what CC1/2 values mean for low resolution. Not being mathematically inclined, I'm sure this is a naive question, but i'll ask anyway - what does

Re: [ccp4bb] How to merge data from 2 separate sections of same crystal

2012-12-11 Thread Phil Evans
The Pointless and the Pointless/Aimless tasks in ccp4i will allow multiple input MTZ (or XDS) files to be combined and scaled together. The combining is done in the program Pointless On 11 Dec 2012, at 03:51, Yuri Pompeu wrote: Thanks for all the suggestions on and off BB. I used the GUI

[ccp4bb] Today ...

2012-12-20 Thread Phil Evans
… is 20.12.2012 Happy Christmas everyone! Phil

Re: [ccp4bb] Which program sequence to use in transforming from P1 to orthorhombic?

2013-02-12 Thread Phil Evans
You can do much the same with Aimless but I'm not sure about ctruncate. No access to documentation at present If the Is came from Fs by squaring them in Pointless then it is important not to truncate them, just square root them Phil Sent from my iPhone On 12 Feb 2013, at 19:46, Clemens

Re: [ccp4bb] Child Killed error in SCALA

2013-03-08 Thread Phil Evans
It's nothing to do with Scala! It's something to do with chaining successive programs in a task I think. I have seen it happen but I can't remember what the cause is Phil On 8 Mar 2013, at 11:49, Frank von Delft frank.vonde...@sgc.ox.ac.uk wrote: (Is it time to change the macabre title

Re: [ccp4bb] space group determination problem

2013-03-15 Thread Phil Evans
what happened to all the even l h reflections? Phil On 15 Mar 2013, at 15:09, gengxiang zhao gzh...@gmail.com wrote: Dear CCP4s, I am looking for more experienced concerns to determine which space group my crystal is. At present, we take it as P42212 (#94). HKL is below

Re: [ccp4bb] refinement protein structure

2013-03-27 Thread Phil Jeffrey
the molecular replacement solution (or, perhaps with it stripped to ALA). While you could use Autobuild, this is the CCP4 list and so you should use CCP4 programs. Phil Jeffrey Princeton On 3/27/13 12:22 PM, Tom Van den Bergh wrote: Dear members of ccp4bb, I need some help with the refinement

Re: [ccp4bb] Off-topic: PDB statistics

2013-04-15 Thread Phil Jeffrey
that RCSB gives about this field is very weak, which accounts for the variation. I'm interested in what ab initio phasing really means, but I've been too lazy to mine the actual entries for details. Phil Jeffrey Princeton On 4/15/13 9:48 AM, Raji Edayathumangalam wrote: Hi Folks, Does anyone know

Re: [ccp4bb] refinement hanging--what am I missing?

2013-04-26 Thread Phil Jeffrey
or Xtriage I wouldn't suggest that. A final question is how much disordered structure is missing from your models ? Could a partly ordered but unmodeled segment be driving up R-free ? Cheers Phil Jeffrey Princeton On 4/26/13 5:38 PM, Patrick Loll wrote: Hi all, Here is a problem that's been

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