On 12/22/22 18:45, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote:
> Shirley none of you are serious about a 32-bit (at least partially)
> operating system being able to execute on a 286 processor.
>
> You couldn't even run Windows 3.1 in Enhanced mode on a 286 processor.
Well, if you want to pedantic about it, you
Anyone partimg with some dang-old thing? It has to work. I'm leaning towards a
mono screen. I'm leaning against Zeniths, got 2 Minisports. But anything is
possible.
IBM produced a Kanji subbish laptop some years ago. I want to say it had a 286.
Anyone know?
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 10:41 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
>
> On Thu, 22 Dec 2022, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
> > You've apparently never heard of Tony Duell: last I read he was running
> > Windows 98 on an IBM PC/XT or something like that :)
>
> Tony,
> are you around?
QSL
The only
Win95/Win98 would be happy with a PC/AT 286, with appropriate RAM
On Thu, 22 Dec 2022, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
I don't think "happy" is how I would describe that.
Would it run? Maybe.
Would I want to run it like that? Nope. Not at all.
I stand corrected.
"Run", no.
"limp along", yes
> On 12/22/2022 8:45 PM CST Glen Slick via cctalk
>
> Shirley none of you are serious about a 32-bit (at least partially)
> operating system being able to execute on a 286 processor.
>
> You couldn't even run Windows 3.1 in Enhanced mode on a 286 processor.
>
> >
Well, there's always Linux
On 12/22/22 17:26, Chris via cctalk wrote:
> You all aren't referring to that hammered look?
>
You used to see the wrinkle coat in black on all manner of WWII military
electronics. Some examples here:
https://www.radioblvd.com/WWII_Communications_%20Equipment.htm
--Chuck
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 6:50 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> There's also a finish you'd often see in car trunks--"spatter coat"--a
> textured finish with multicolored globs of paint. That *is* possible
> with a rattle can.
>
> --Chuck
>
Yes, I've used it, though
Seems a bit impossible to me as well but Fred has made computers do things
that would make ordinary men involuntarily lose their bladder so I look
forward to the story/explanation.
Sellam
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 6:46 PM Glen Slick via cctalk
wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2022, 6:16 PM Fred Cisin
On 12/22/22 17:26, Chris via cctalk wrote:
> You all aren't referring to that hammered look?
No, hammertone is something else. What I'm talking about is the finish
that you'd often see rack panels (I do have a blank in hammertone,
however)., usually black. Kennedy toolboxes (maybe still do) had
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022, 6:16 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> >> Win95/Win98 would be happy with a PC/AT 286, with appropriate RAM
>
> On Thu, 22 Dec 2022, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> > I don't think "happy" is how I would describe that.
> > Would it run? Maybe.
> > Would I want to run it
Win95/Win98 would be happy with a PC/AT 286, with appropriate RAM
On Thu, 22 Dec 2022, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
I don't think "happy" is how I would describe that.
Would it run? Maybe.
Would I want to run it like that? Nope. Not at all.
I stand corrected.
"Run", no.
"limp along",
On 12/22/22 2:24 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
For PC’s, being able to run WinXP is an interesting cutoff
Why use a cut off that's based on a date?
After all, the list is a moving / sliding window.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
On 12/22/22 3:41 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
Win95/Win98 would be happy with a PC/AT 286, with appropriate RAM
I don't think "happy" is how I would describe that.
Would it run? Maybe.
Would I want to run it like that? Nope. Not at all.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
You all aren't referring to that hammered look?
And regarding a textured finish, I have a cheapo Raidmax atx case I got from
Newegg about 4 years ago. 12.09$ after the rebate. Shipped. It and other cases
I've bought in the last few years all seem to habe that slightly gritty
appearance.
On Thu, 22 Dec 2022, Tony Jones via cctalk wrote:
If you can achieve a textured finish using a rattle can you're a better
man than I!
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 5:05 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
I won't claim to be a better man than you, but,
45 some years ago, there were rattle cans of
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 5:05 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
>
> I won't claim to be a better man than you, but,
> 45 some years ago, there were rattle cans of "krinkle finish" sold in auto
> parts stores. Looked OK for valve covers.
>
A wrinkle finish isn't what I thought this was about.
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 4:59 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
Chuck,
You can buy that in a spray can at the hardware store. I've used it before
for some of the replicas I've built. It works great.
On Thu, 22 Dec 2022, Tony Jones via cctalk wrote:
If you can
> On Dec 22, 2022, at 6:30 PM, Will Cooke via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On 12/22/2022 4:34 PM CST Chuck Guzis via cctalk
>> wrote:
>
>>
>> That's not to say that Li-ion cells are without their quirks. I
>> recently almost discarded a AA-sized 14500 cell because the output
>> voltage had
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 4:59 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Chuck,
>
> You can buy that in a spray can at the hardware store. I've used it before
> for some of the replicas I've built. It works great.
>
If you can achieve a textured finish using a rattle can
Chuck,
You can buy that in a spray can at the hardware store. I've used it before
for some of the replicas I've built. It works great.
Sellam
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 4:38 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 12/22/22 15:37, Chris via cctalk wrote:
> > Ok I'll stick
On 12/22/22 15:37, Chris via cctalk wrote:
> Ok I'll stick with rustoleum then. I'll attempt to mimic the original
> texture even if not so perfect.
On the same subject, but slightly off topic, whatever happened to the
"wrinkle finish" (I think that's what it was called) that you'd often
see
On Thu, 22 Dec 2022, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote:
On 12/22/2022 5:02 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
Another possible exception for banning XP:
I think that the OQO is interesting enough to call for inclusion.
It is a handheld, running XP. Screen slides partway off to reveal a
keyboard.
Ok I'll stick with rustoleum then. I'll attempt to mimic the original texture
even if not so perfect.
Have you ever tried to fix textured drywall or lathe/plaster? It's always
down to playing with various settings and trial/error if you want to match
a specific finish. These coatings facilitate a texture but they won't do
it for you. If you apply at a high pressure they're not going to do
> On 12/22/2022 4:34 PM CST Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> That's not to say that Li-ion cells are without their quirks. I
> recently almost discarded a AA-sized 14500 cell because the output
> voltage had suddenly dropped to the point where none of my chargers
> would even see it. So
On 12/22/2022 5:02 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
Another possible exception for banning XP:
I think that the OQO is interesting enough to call for inclusion.
It is a handheld, running XP. Screen slides partway off to reveal a
keyboard.
/me looks at his OQO 2, which still works (and has
On 12/22/22 13:50, Paul Koning wrote:
> Yes, that looks similar to what I read. One interesting point in the
> discussion I saw is that it said slow charging is not recommended for
> NiMH because the right way to detect end of charge is by voltage drop,
> and that drop is even smaller if the
So this polane stuff creates the texture when used with any airgun? Everything
I have is small, not ideal for painting a car, but more then adequate for
covering a 5170 case. Artist equipment. And I have a somewhat larger gun that
has a gravity fed canister that can hold upwards of 4oz. of
We used to shun anything newer than and including the IBM PC but
time.marches on. You're safe if you discuss systems produced before 1990.
After that put an OT in the front of your subject so as not to offend the
purists. Personally I think anything built after 1995 is too new for
cctalk, but
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 2:41 PM Tony Jones wrote:
>
> Polane and Raptor are urethenes. Usually catalyzed.
>
https://industrial.sherwin-williams.com/na/us/en/general-industrial/catalog/product/products-by-industry.11543145/polane-t-polyurethane-enamel.9197969.html
"Widely used for coating
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 2:38 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> I don't know specifically about the IBM PC, but I think what you're
> describing is powder coating.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder_coating
Powder coating is just a durable finish.
On Thu, 22 Dec 2022, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
You've apparently never heard of Tony Duell: last I read he was running
Windows 98 on an IBM PC/XT or something like that :)
Tony,
are you around?
My experience was that Windoze 3.00 was the last that could be installed
on an 8088.
Win
Traditionally Polane was used. (Sherwin Williams)
Raptor is similar.I had a long discussion with their rep along the
lines of "ok, but how much is the paint and how much is the application".
It turns out it's a bit of both.
Obviously you're not going to get texture with a very high
Chris,
I don't know specifically about the IBM PC, but I think what you're
describing is powder coating.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder_coating
Sellam
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 2:36 PM Chris via cctalk
wrote:
> I must have asked numerous times on numerous forums how this is done. Did
>
I must have asked numerous times on numerous forums how this is done. Did you
ever take a close look at the paint on a 5150 or 5170 (or hell even any IBM
monitors that are age appropriate, but those aren't metal). Did you notive the
wormy, orange pealy finish. I don't think anyone has seriously
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 1:31 PM Zane Healy via cctalk
wrote:
> For PC’s, being able to run WinXP is an interesting cutoff, and I think
> makes sense.
Zane
>
You've apparently never heard of Tony Duell: last I read he was running
Windows 98 on an IBM PC/XT or something like that :)
Sellam
> On Dec 22, 2022, at 4:30 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
> On 12/22/22 11:42, Paul Koning wrote:
>> I just read the battery chapter of the ARRL Amateur Radio Handboo, which
>> discusses this particular point at some length.
>> Among many other points it says (a) you can trickle charge a NiCd but
> On Dec 22, 2022, at 3:30 PM, Lee Gleason via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> I'm using several of these, on PRO380s, and on RQDX3s on MicroVAXes
> and a BA23 11/73. Lessee, did you create the container file for the
> disk? And make sure it's the same file name used in the command line that
> starts
On Dec 22, 2022, at 11:29 AM, Ethan Dicks via cctalk
wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 5:35 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk
> wrote:
>> We used to shun anything newer than and including the IBM PC but
>> time.marches on. You're safe if you discuss systems produced before 1990.
>> After that put an
On 12/22/22 11:42, Paul Koning wrote:
> I just read the battery chapter of the ARRL Amateur Radio Handboo,
> which discusses this particular point at some length.
> Among many other points it says (a) you can trickle charge a NiCd but not a
> NiMH, and (b) NiMH requires a more complex charging
> On 12/22/2022 2:33 PM CST Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
> I haven't run across a single IC dedicated to the
> process yet--I suspect there must be one out there somewhere.
>
> FWIW,
> --Chuck
There are quite a few. Mouser lists 278 that claim NiMh capability. All but 9
of
Oops.
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 12:10 PM steve shumaker via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> well.. apologies - this was not intended for the list.
>
> Steve
>
> On 12/22/22 11:49 AM, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote:
> > No kidding! It has been a while. I've pretty much been lurking
>
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 11:49 AM steve shumaker via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> No kidding! It has been a while. I've pretty much been lurking
> without much to say here since I lost all my toys in the fires two years
> ago. Managed to replace a couple Heathkit units since then
I'm using several of these, on PRO380s, and on RQDX3s on MicroVAXes
and a BA23 11/73. Lessee, did you create the container file for the
disk? And make sure it's the same file name used in the command line that starts
up the service? Did you do the command that tells the service to start
at
On 12/22/22 11:42, Paul Koning wrote:
> I just read the battery chapter of the ARRL Amateur Radio Handboo, which
> discusses this particular point at some length.
>
> Among many other points it says (a) you can trickle charge a NiCd but not a
> NiMH, and (b) NiMH requires a more complex charging
well.. apologies - this was not intended for the list.
Steve
On 12/22/22 11:49 AM, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote:
No kidding! It has been a while. I've pretty much been lurking
without much to say here since I lost all my toys in the fires two
years ago. Managed to replace a couple
Thanks - I've never seen that before. It'll definitely help with the
restoration.
Steve
On 12/21/22 11:45 AM, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote:
No personal experience but maybe this'll help:
https://corei64.com/shop/index.php?route=product/product_id=285
Sorry for encouraging inappropriate
> On Dec 22, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> I can't speak with any authority on the NiMH vs. NiCd substitution,
> except that I've replaced them on low-draw devices and used the same
> charger. After 20 years of doing this, I can't claim to have destroyed
> any NiMH,
No kidding! It has been a while. I've pretty much been lurking
without much to say here since I lost all my toys in the fires two years
ago. Managed to replace a couple Heathkit units since then but with
prices what they are, it'll never be what it was.
I did score a PET 2001-8 that
Here here!
On Thursday, December 22, 2022, 02:29:48 PM EST, Bill Degnan via cctalk
wrote:
"what is vintage" has been a discussion since the beginning. It's when no
one asks that I wonder if anyone cares. So I am ok with it. :-)
b
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 2:25 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 5:35 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk
wrote:
> We used to shun anything newer than and including the IBM PC but
> time.marches on. You're safe if you discuss systems produced before 1990.
> After that put an OT in the front of your subject so as not to offend the
> purists.
"what is vintage" has been a discussion since the beginning. It's when no
one asks that I wonder if anyone cares. So I am ok with it. :-)
b
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 2:25 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 11:19 AM Marvin Johnston via cctalk <
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 11:19 AM Marvin Johnston via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> After all is said and done, my observations since the time this
> listserver was up in Washington is that anything OT has a very short
> "shelf life." That would suggest most people here have a working
After all is said and done, my observations since the time this
listserver was up in Washington is that anything OT has a very short
"shelf life." That would suggest most people here have a working brain
and thus, like the definition of pornography, they know OT when they see it.
A long
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022, 9:51 AM Zane Healy wrote:
>
> Having seen another of your posts, I’m left to wonder how many of us had
> our eyes opened by this list back in 1997. In my case having worked on
> some systems decidedly “vintage” systems, prior to joining the list helped
> spark my interest.
Anything up to 64-bit has been on topic over the life of this list. Though
64-bit initially was pushing it, less so now, as I’d definitely consider
something like a Sun Ultra 2, or DEC Alpha to be very much on topic. I
definitely participated in discussions of early Macintosh systems back
> On Dec 21, 2022, at 7:16 PM, Steve Malikoff via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> For a DLV11 EIA serial connection, I am about to wire up a fly lead cable to
> go from an M7940 SLU (no dash version) 40-pin header to a DB25P … I could use
> any colours but I'd really like to use the original colours for
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022, 8:58 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
> Why they're used in a non-rechargable application is anyone's
> guess.
>
Probably because of the characteristic of their discharge in conjunction
with the heating coil.
Sellam
>
I can't speak with any authority on the NiMH vs. NiCd substitution,
except that I've replaced them on low-draw devices and used the same
charger. After 20 years of doing this, I can't claim to have destroyed
any NiMH, though I can certainly appreciate the self-limiting of
overcharge on NiCd
>
> I also have a selection of old PC CPUs ranging from 8088s and V20 compatible
> to early Pentium and compatibles (e.g. AMD K6) If anyone is interested
> contact me off list. I have about 15 total. I can do a quick inventory if
> anyone is interested.
>
> Will
The CPUs are now spoken
> On 12/22/2022 10:02 AM CST Cedric Amand via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Jim, Maybe this is specific to europe but NiCds are hard to come by here,
> they are prohibited since 2008 And even more prohibited since 2017 ( they
> also exclude medical equipment ) I used to source them in ex-ussr
Hi Jim, Maybe this is specific to europe but NiCds are hard to come by here,
they are prohibited since 2008 And even more prohibited since 2017 ( they also
exclude medical equipment ) I used to source them in ex-ussr countries but even
there they are hard to come by nowadays, quite expensive,
On 12/22/2022 4:08 AM, Cedric Amand via cctalk wrote:
Hey everyone, No - I won't ask if this is on topic or not :) I'm currently reparing an ALPS plotter
( a Tandy "ce 150" equivalent ) and it's not the first time I face the same problem ; how
to replace NiCD batteries. In the past what I did
Peter
If you are still listening through the "on topic" noise - see below
Martin
>>I had something similar with a VT220. I didn't get around to investigating
>>it before the flyback transformer failed :-(
>>I can only suggest to run it for a short time with the cover off and the
>>lights
> On 12/22/2022 5:56 AM CST Will Cooke via cctalk wrote:
>
>
>
> I have an assortment of old dynamic RAM chips:
> 1M x 1 approx 35
> 256K x 4 approx 40 to 50
> 256K x 1 approx 80 to 100
>
The RAM chips are all spoken for.
I also have a selection of old PC CPUs ranging from 8088s and
Aw shoot, sorry that went to the whole list
C
Hi Will!
I could use some 256x1 chips to upgrade and fix a pdp11/23+, 40 or so
would do it. US address, we could do a quick paypal for the shipping.
Chris
On 12/22/2022 6:56 AM, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote:
I think my original message didn't go through (forgot to select plain text
instead
I think my original message didn't go through (forgot to select plain text
instead of html.) If it did I apologize for spamming the list.
I'm clearing out some clutter so I can get to some more clutter to clear it
out. Much of my clutter is classic computer related (at least by my
Steve
You will find some additional write up of the DLV11J (M9740) in
LSI11SeytemsServiceManualAug81.pdf page no ~270 et seq
see e.g.
https://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/LSI-11_Systems_Service_Manual_Aug81.pdf
However, additional enlightenment is limited to the cab kit and MP part
numbers,
Hey everyone, No - I won't ask if this is on topic or not :) I'm currently
reparing an ALPS plotter ( a Tandy "ce 150" equivalent ) and it's not the first
time I face the same problem ; how to replace NiCD batteries. In the past what
I did is actually order new NiCd ( you can still find them
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