Re: Micro Fiche Library.

[Antonio Carlini]

On 04/10/16 05:49, Rod Smallwood wrote:

Hi All

I have just had a huge DEC Miro Fiche library  given to me.

It has the portable (weighs a ton) reader with it.

On trying it out.  I found the results were awful.
A good clean of the light path and removal of some disintegrating foam 
improved things no end.

That left two issues:

 1.The reader was for x 42 but the fiches are  x52.

 2.The plastic fiche holder consisting of two sheets of stiff 
and clear plastic connected together at one end is scratched to hell.


Any idea eactly which fiche reader you have? I have one that DEC FS used 
to lug around on site visits.
I'll dig it out tomorrow (if I remember) and make a note of exactly 
which one I have.


I've never noticed an issue with reading the fiche I have - but then 
most of my fiche came with the reader and so
obviously matched up. But I do have some fiche that came to me 
separately (not all DEC fiche, but all DEC-related)

and that all looks good too.

How can you tell whether fiche is intended for 42x or 52x or whatever? 
(I had a quick look at one or two and I couldn't

see anythig obvious ...)

BTW: I did semi-catalogue what I have (i.e. listing the fiche part 
number and the documents contained therein).

Has anyone thought of putting together some sort of registry?

Antonio

--
Antonio Carlini
arcarl...@iee.org

Re: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!])

[Pontus Pihlgren]

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 08:37:33PM -0700, Zane Healy wrote:
> 
> PDP-11:
> Pac-Man (cool to see on a VT)
> 

Where could I get a hold of this?

/P

RE: Remember Data Printer Corp?

[Rich Alderson]

From: Paul Koning
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 7:09 AM

> Speaking of printer widths, the Dutch computer company Electrologica was
> odd in that their systems came with line printers that were 144 columns
> wide.  I've never seen that anywhere else.

The IBM 1443 printer, originally part of the 1440 system but available on
the 1800 system as well, was 144 columns wide.  Type bar rather than a
train like the 1403; moved back and forth as hammers struck the desired
letter.  Ugly ugly type face.

Rich


Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computer Museum
2245 1st Avenue S
Seattle, WA 98134

mailto:ri...@livingcomputermuseum.org

http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/

Re: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [

[Pontus Pihlgren]

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 08:23:35AM -0500, Geoffrey Oltmans wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Adam Sampson  wrote:
> 
> >
> > On the Amiga, our favourites included: Lemmings (two mice), Stunt Car
> > Racer (serial link), Gravity Power, Blob Kombat, Space Taxi, XTreme
> > Racing, and Super Skidmarks (all two joysticks). On Unix machines, hunt
> > (terminal) and XPilot (X).
> >
> 
> 
> There was a port of Space Taxi for the Amiga? Interesting. One of my
> favorites on the C-64. Off the top of my head another favorite vintage game
> is Dino Eggs, which I believe the creator is working on releasing for
> mobile platforms right now.

+1 for dino eggs. very cute :) I played it a lot with my sister.

/P

Re: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!])

[Pontus Pihlgren]

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 12:57:13PM -0500, Adrian Stoness wrote:
>
> Oils well

Oil's Well is great on the C64.

/P

Re: Highway interface [warning contains an ebay ref], but is an old VMS network interface

[ethan]

I found an interface I've never seen, a Fisher Rosemont Highway interface.  I 
don't know much in the history of Dec / VMS, but am guessing this is for Vax 
system only.

HIGHWAY-INTERFACE-49A8569X052-62-FISHER-ROSEMOUNT-DC6450X1-HA5-40B1745-W-CABKIT-/
http://www.ebay.com/itm/371645465846
I found this flyer sheet about it with the info on the interface. I'm 
guessing if you don't have one of the central boxes, you have some expensive 
gold scrap in these boards.


Some years ago I was talking to Virginia DOT about access to camera feeds 
in the Hampton Roads (Southeastern Virginia) region. I eventually got 
access to the ftp site where the pics were dumped out every 5 minutes.


The listing of cameras was screen shots taken from an OpenVMS control 
application that had the camera names and locations on maps, as well as 
digital signage and some other functions. I was kind of surprised since 
this was late in the VMS game, perhaps mid 2000's. And the system was 
still being built.


Not sure if that board is a part of that setup but it was VMS. Probably 
still have the screenshots somewhere.



--
Ethan O'Toole

Video clip from ABC Nightline 1981 with Steve Jobs

[jim stephens]

If you read further, I decided to post because of the number of machines 
I've either worked on or owned which were in this.


I think for instance the terminals @ about 1:29 are Datamedia.  I had 
several of the beasts.  "Academic researchers... is the narration"


https://youtu.be/3H-Y-D3-j-M

Laughed at some of the discussions in the last half, but worth 
watching.  Has about as much of Job's in it as one can stomach.  And is 
probably before the cult of the Fruit company thing was taking hold.


Scenes showing the Apple2 or ][ as some will want, and the Apple3 are 
shown from the factory.  Also appears that Apple was operating out of a 
hive of buildings, not a central one at the time.  Five years into 
Apple's operation.


Thanks
jim

Re: Highway interface [warning contains an ebay ref], but is an old VMS network interface

[Fred Cisin]

Could Traf-o-data be revived?

Re: 11/35 on eBait

[Glen Slick]

On Oct 2, 2016 11:03 AM, "Noel Chiappa"  wrote:
>
> So there's another 11/35 up on eBait:
>
>   http://www.ebay.com/itm/142135416325
>

Went unsold at $3500. Relisted, this time at $5000.

Buy it this time before it goes up to $6500 next time???

http://www.ebay.com/itm/142146207101

Re: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [

[Jerry Kemp]

For anyone interested in exploring some of this stuff further, I (first) found 
lots of dead links, but came up with this one with binaries for Sun, SGI and the 
original NeXT format.




I still have a SparcStation 10 + a Leo/ZX frame buffer that I spent a lot of 
time hunting down back in the day to work with the Sun stuff on.  I was a little 
sad to see comments that performance on the Leo framebuffer was not very impressive.



Jerry


On 10/11/16 02:22 PM, Adam Sampson wrote:

Liam Proven  writes:


As far as Doom, not long after I became a Sun employee in Mountain
View in '94-95, we played Doom Arena, a networked, multiplayer
version of Doom.

I think you might be conflating 2 games here.


Nope:
http://www.sirbooga.com/doomarena.html

Re: 11/35 on eBait

[jim stephens]

On 10/12/2016 2:02 AM, Dave Wade wrote:

> >http://www.ebay.com/itm/142146207101


>Surely if someone asks a simple question like that then how difficult could it
>be to accomodate? Obviously too much effort for that seller it seems.

I just wonder if they have seen that PDP/11 panels fetch stupid amounts and 
hoping a panel collector will buy it


Dave
I think he expected a bidding war to end up @ 5k.  I think he does not 
realize what an auction kill that no shipping is.  There are also two 
nice RL02's that are pickup only in New Jersey I'd probably bid on, but 
no ship.  No interest in what the hands off Freighters and Craters would 
add to the cost.


I recommended them to a previous list member's query, and the quote was 
$8500 for his quote.  I didn't hear if they'd do part of the work only, 
or not, or give a breakdown, but in the RL02 case I suspect I'd have to 
have it all done for a huge price.


Probably the same with the 11/35.

I did get one of three 11/84's that sold recently and it was shipped in 
a box, but the weight may be lower on that system box than the 11/35 is.


I may let him simmer and maybe sell it and make an offer near the end 
if  it just sits there.  The 11/04 is still sitting as well at the price 
they want for it several months on, and it isn't anywhere near as high, 
so these listings do sit around.

thanks
jim

Re: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!])

[emanuel stiebler]

On 2016-10-12 09:21, Eric Smith wrote:

DEC PDP-10:
MACRO-10

CP/M:
Turbo Pascal

(These are significantly more challenging than most of the other games
that have been mentioned, but with more subjective scoring.)


Good one ;-)

Re: Remember Data Printer Corp?

[jim stephens]

I had a 133 column line printer, and an 80 column Data Printer, Data 
products interfaces.  Both drums.  They could both move 3 x 5 cards at 
1+ lines / min when printing < 20 columns.  They were variable 
speed, so when something fired on the first 20 columns, such as for 
addressing, the thing move like lighting.


Very nice printers.  wish I could have held onto them, but they were 
sold for good $$.


the 80 column one probably printed some junk mail for you, was bought by 
a labeling company for a mass mailer of technical journals here in 
Orange Country.


thanks
Jim

On 10/11/2016 9:29 PM, Richard Loken wrote:

While falling over Sun and DEC manuals I also found a complete set of
manuals for a great and massive Data Printer Corporation line printer
in four volumes:

Data Printer Corp Chaintrain Line Printer
Models CT-4964 CT-6644 CT-7484

parts and diagrams
operating
maintenance
principles of operation

Yours for the postage but I doubt anybody wants them.

Re: Any Kryoflux, Discferret, Catweasel, or other floppy flux images wanted

[Eric Smith]

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Al Kossow  wrote:
> Do you have a prefered CW transition image format?

My preference is Discferret.

PDP 8/A H221A 8K word memory

[jim stephens]

I won't bother posting a link to the auction, but have a question. Why 
would someone want $3,500 for this board over what H219's go for which 
are also 8K words?


Just curious.  Only obvious difference is a different core stack.

thanks
Jim

Re: Any Kryoflux, Discferret, Catweasel, or other floppy flux images wanted

[Eric Smith]

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Fred Cisin  wrote:
> What Eric is working on is software that can decode disk formats that are
> NOT necessarily WD/NEC FDC compatible!  And writing a file similar to the
> one created by IMD.
>
> That will most certainly NOT then be convertible by IMD into a Victor 9000
> disk!

That's a good explanation.  I was thinking of it as non-standard use
of IMD format; the resulting IMD file would contain the logical
contents of the Victor 9000 disk, but because the IMD format doesn't
(yet) have suitable definitions for Victor 9000 format, the file would
purport to contain IBM-compatible MFM sectors.

I don't really have any plan for a way to convert these Victor 9000
pseudo-IMD files back into actual diskettes. I could write an
imdtoflux program as a counterpart to the fluxtoimd program, which
would help with a portion of the problem.

> However, OTHER software, that understands the file systems could then
> extract files.  For example, if it is successful, then it might be possible
> to take the Victor9000 IMD file produced by fluxtoimd, run it through IMD to
> write that content onto a disk in a WD/NEC compatible format with
> similarities of parameters other than encoding (eg. Chromemco?), and then
> read files from that disk using XenoCopy or equivalent.

I'm not sure how flexible XenoCopy is, but Victor 9000 format used
Zoned CAV, so tracks have varying numbers of sectors, from 11 to 19.
The pseudo-IMD file will preserve that organization. If the IMDU
program doesn't get upset by the variable number of sectors per track,
it might be able to extract the sector data into a raw binary
filesystem image. Assuming that MS-DOS on the Victor 9000 uses the
obvious mapping of FAT cluster numbers to track/head/sector, the
resulting raw binary filesystem image might be usable with existing
utilities for FAT filesystems, such as mtools.

There's always been such a bewildering variety of mappings of CP/M
blocks to track/head/sector that I wouldn't put any money on the same
conversion working for Victor 9000 CP/M-86 disks.

In both cases (MS-DOS and CP/M-86), if it proves necessary I'll whip
up another simple utility to convert the pseudo-IMD file into a usable
raw binary filesystem image.

Re: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!])

[Peter Coghlan]

>
> >
> > As far as Doom, not long after I became a Sun employee in Mountain View
> > in '94-95, we played Doom Arena, a networked, multiplayer version of Doom.
> >
>
> I think you might be conflating 2 games here.
>
> Doom was *always* multiplayer and network aware. Doom 1.0 for DOS used
> IPX networking and allowed 4 players to deathmatch.
>

I can't remember whether it was Doom or something that looked similar
with a different name but I do remember an early first person shootemup
game for PCs which was made playable over a network by someone whose main
skills were obviously not in the area of networking.  They must not have
wanted to go to the trouble of figuring out how to address their packets
to the other players machines because they just sent everything to the
ethernet broadcast address.  That way everything would definately get
there!

This caused a lot of problems with the almost completely bridged campus
network in use at the college where I worked.  On one memorarble occasion,
the college president or some such dignitary was visiting the computer
centre and was supposed to be admiring the new network management system.
Sticking out like a sore thumb was the just turned flashing red icon
representing the sole 64K bridged link to an off-campus faculty which was
getting swamped with broadcast packets.

The network manager muttered some excuse to the president about having
to get someone to look into this fault and as soon as he departed a squad
of computer centre staff decended on the computer lab in the science
building where the offending game players were located.  The students
involved managed to hit the boss key or do whatever to make it look like
they were plausably engaged in something productive but it was clear that
they were very shocked to see so many support staff arrive together to
help them with their projects.

Regards,
Peter Coghlan

Highway interface [warning contains an ebay ref], but is an old VMS network interface

[jim stephens]

I found an interface I've never seen, a Fisher Rosemont Highway 
interface.  I don't know much in the history of Dec / VMS, but am 
guessing this is for Vax system only.


HIGHWAY-INTERFACE-49A8569X052-62-FISHER-ROSEMOUNT-DC6450X1-HA5-40B1745-W-CABKIT-/

http://www.ebay.com/itm/371645465846

I found this flyer sheet about it with the info on the interface. I'm 
guessing if you don't have one of the central boxes, you have some 
expensive gold scrap in these boards.


http://emersonprocess.com/systems/support/documentation/provox/docvue/Product%20Data%20Sheets/Communications/buDH6032.pdf

The fact this reference is where it is suggests there must be embedded 
systems using it to justify the price though.  Also the other manual 
referred to indicates that there is something that runs on NT, as well 
as a mention of AIX.


http://emersonprocess.com/systems/support/documentation/provox/docvue/CHIP/P4_0/pnCHIP_NTp4.pdf

thanks
Jim

RE: PDP 8/A H221A 8K word memory

[Paul Birkel]

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of jim stephens
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 4:01 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: PDP 8/A H221A 8K word memory

I won't bother posting a link to the auction, but have a question. Why would 
someone want $3,500 for this board over what H219's go for which are also 8K 
words?

Just curious.  Only obvious difference is a different core stack.

thanks
Jim

-
Irrational Exuberance.

It's also 18-bit and goes into a PDP-11.  But that's not any concern of the 
seller, evidently :->.

-

Re: large Wire wrap cards

[Eric Smith]

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 4:06 PM, jim stephens  wrote:
> The edge looks like Multibus, but the height looks too tall for standard
> Multibus form factor.

True, but it's not entirely uncommon for there to be over-height
prototyping cards.

Re: large Wire wrap cards

[jim stephens]

On 10/12/2016 2:42 AM, Eric Smith wrote:

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 4:06 PM, jim stephens  wrote:

The edge looks like Multibus, but the height looks too tall for standard
Multibus form factor.

True, but it's not entirely uncommon for there to be over-height
prototyping cards.
I was at a friend's scrap operation, and in a 40 gallon drum of breakage 
there were three multibus boards in the pile.  If one of them had not 
had a number of pins badly clobbered, I might have carried them off.


FWIW the DIPs are not worth salvaging, going in the gold scrap bin now.  
with the boards.  He has 6 bin boxes completely full of many years of 
salvage, starting to get to that backlog.


thanks
Jim

BTW, toy du jour

http://jimsoldtoys.blogspot.com/2016/10/part-of-satellite-spectral-analyzer.html

Re: Getting out of the hobby

[jim stephens]

On 10/11/2016 1:07 PM, Seth Morabito wrote:

Hey folks,

Recent activity on the list, especially the "Ka... ching!" thread, has
had me reevaluating a lot of what I get out of this hobby. I think there
are two things going on that make it less fun for me now: The money,
and the age of the stuff. I'll try to explain.

Seth, as others said, sorry to hear you are losing interest, and don't 
want to suggest that you should not move on to another interest.  I had 
a friend who went from competitive shooting (45ACP) to Skeet shooting 
(3rd in the US), to racing boats (had at one time the US speed record 
for a 6 cyl outboard), to Astronomy, and then on to cameras.  So one can 
evolve in the hobbies and move on.


I find that the thing I like that will suck me in forever is both the 
thrill of the chase of finding something, and being really satisfied 
when I find some collection of parts, or just a system that works.  in 
the former, I've bought interesting gizmos and years later have found 
parts that complemented or were parts of the system, or even completed 
it.  In the latter, finding something and examining it after getting it 
is the other part.


Just my $0.02 worth.  I will probably thin the herd too, as since my 
interest lies in some amount of the thrill of the chase, once I have 
something, I hope to pass it along to someone else to enjoy.


The thing here that is unique to this list and other places is just the 
collection of knowledge.  I hope we don't lose out on what you've known 
and you keep some connection to pass on what you've learned.


Best in your collecting.  I'll be watching and be interested in your stuff.

thanks
Jim

RE: 11/35 on eBait

[Dave Wade]

> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of
> ste...@malikoff.com
> Sent: 12 October 2016 07:45
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> 
> Subject: Re: 11/35 on eBait
> 
> > On Oct 2, 2016 11:03 AM, "Noel Chiappa" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> So there's another 11/35 up on eBait:
> >>
> >>   http://www.ebay.com/itm/142135416325
> >>
> >
> > Went unsold at $3500. Relisted, this time at $5000.
> >
> > Buy it this time before it goes up to $6500 next time???
> >
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/142146207101
> 
> In the original listing a polite enquiry had been made to list the module
> numbers but the seller's reply was basically 'figure it out yourself from 
> photo
> x'.

I think that most are pretty visible. When you sell something you get enough 
trolls as it is...

> Surely if someone asks a simple question like that then how difficult could it
> be to accomodate? Obviously too much effort for that seller it seems.

I just wonder if they have seen that PDP/11 panels fetch stupid amounts and 
hoping a panel collector will buy it

> 
> Steve.
> 
> 
Dave

Re: Mark-8 opinion question

[william degnan]

My opinion...build it right using a reasonable set of parts from the era or
just leave the boards alone.  I would be wary of winging it.

b

Re: Mark-8 opinion question

[Brad H]

Nice!  I see you even got fab house marks!  Where did you get the PCB stock?  I 
hate how modern the stuff I've found looks.


Sent from my Samsung device

 Original message 
From: Nick Allen  
Date: 2016-10-12  7:14 AM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org 
Subject: Re: Mark-8 opinion question 

I have built as reproduction Mark8, as accurate as possible.  Check the 
link out below to see photos.  Would be happy to help you in your 
journey to building a complete system, let me know I can help!

https://goo.gl/photos/X6rXFrVMoJvRXGAe7

-Nick

RE: Mark-8 opinion question

[Brad H]

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of william degnan
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:04 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
Subject: Re: Mark-8 opinion question

 Original message 
From: william degnan 
Date: 2016-10-12  7:33 AM  (GMT-08:00)
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" < cctalk@classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Mark-8 opinion question

My opinion...build it right using a reasonable set of parts from the era or 
just leave the boards alone.  I would be wary of winging it.

b

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Brad H < vintagecompu...@bettercomputing.net> 
wrote:

>
>
> That's pretty much my attitude.  I would never even consider building 
> these without correct, vintage parts.  And I can already see a number 
> of show stoppers.. including the 8263s.  I have some of those but 
> they're all
> 1977 vintage, which is okay for a clone but totally wrong otherwise.
>
>
>
>Basically you're in the position of having to source all of the parts from 
>that boards year, or earlier.  Then buy solder >from 1974.  When will it end?  
>How perfect?  Then what do you have?  This subject has come up before.

>If I was really into this project (I already have plenty!)...I'd make an 
>exhibit featuring the unpopulated boards next to a >replica that is running 
>with a teletype..

>b

I think there is a tiny bit of leeway.  I have read of Mark-8s that were built 
as late as 1976.   This is kind of where all this stuff gets fuzzy.  Is a 1974 
Mark-8 project built in 1976 an 'original'?  Then supposing you have a 1974 
unit and one of the hard to replace chips dies.. I think standard practice is 
to replace it with whatever is available to get it working while keeping the 
original for show.  So there's a bit of wiggle room there also.

But taking a soldering iron to those pristine boards.  That's where I feel a 
line being drawn.

I kind of like your idea.  As a matter of fact, I just bought an ASR33 which is 
arriving today.  

Re: Mark-8 opinion question

[Brad H]

That's pretty much my attitude.  I would never even consider building these 
without correct, vintage parts.  And I can already see a number of show 
stoppers.. including the 8263s.  I have some of those but they're all 1977 
vintage, which is okay for a clone but totally wrong otherwise. 


Sent from my Samsung device

 Original message 
From: william degnan  
Date: 2016-10-12  7:33 AM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"  
Subject: Re: Mark-8 opinion question 

My opinion...build it right using a reasonable set of parts from the era or
just leave the boards alone.  I would be wary of winging it.

b

Re: Mark-8 opinion question

[william degnan]

 Original message 
From: william degnan 
Date: 2016-10-12  7:33 AM  (GMT-08:00)
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <
cctalk@classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Mark-8 opinion question

My opinion...build it right using a reasonable set of parts from the era or
just leave the boards alone.  I would be wary of winging it.

b

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Brad H <
vintagecompu...@bettercomputing.net> wrote:

>
>
> That's pretty much my attitude.  I would never even consider building
> these without correct, vintage parts.  And I can already see a number of
> show stoppers.. including the 8263s.  I have some of those but they're all
> 1977 vintage, which is okay for a clone but totally wrong otherwise.
>
>
>
Basically you're in the position of having to source all of the parts from
that boards year, or earlier.  Then buy solder from 1974.  When will it
end?  How perfect?  Then what do you have?  This subject has come up
before.

If I was really into this project (I already have plenty!)...I'd make an
exhibit featuring the unpopulated boards next to a replica that is running
with a teletype..

b

Re: Remember Data Printer Corp?

[Paul Koning]

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 3:29 AM, jim stephens  wrote:
> 
> I had a 133 column line printer, and an 80 column Data Printer, Data products 
> interfaces.  Both drums.  They could both move 3 x 5 cards at 1+ lines / 
> min when printing < 20 columns.  They were variable speed, so when something 
> fired on the first 20 columns, such as for addressing, the thing move like 
> lighting.

The early PDP11 line printers were like that (20 column buffer for the 80 
column model; 24 column buffer for the 132 column model).  Later on they 
apparently went to full line buffering because the performance oddity you 
mentioned disappeared.

Speaking of printer widths, the Dutch computer company Electrologica was odd in 
that their systems came with line printers that were 144 columns wide.  I've 
never seen that anywhere else.

paul

Re: Mark-8 opinion question

[Nick Allen]

I have built as reproduction Mark8, as accurate as possible.  Check the 
link out below to see photos.  Would be happy to help you in your 
journey to building a complete system, let me know I can help!


https://goo.gl/photos/X6rXFrVMoJvRXGAe7

-Nick

Re: Highway interface [warning contains an ebay ref], but is an old VMS network interface

[jim stephens]

On 10/12/2016 12:57 AM, jim stephens wrote:
I found an interface I've never seen, a Fisher Rosemont Highway 
interface.  I don't know much in the history of Dec / VMS, but am 
guessing this is for Vax system only.


HIGHWAY-INTERFACE-49A8569X052-62-FISHER-ROSEMOUNT-DC6450X1-HA5-40B1745-W-CABKIT-/ 



http://www.ebay.com/itm/371645465846

I found this flyer sheet about it with the info on the interface. I'm 
guessing if you don't have one of the central boxes, you have some 
expensive gold scrap in these boards.


http://emersonprocess.com/systems/support/documentation/provox/docvue/Product%20Data%20Sheets/Communications/buDH6032.pdf 



The fact this reference is where it is suggests there must be embedded 
systems using it to justify the price though.  Also the other manual 
referred to indicates that there is something that runs on NT, as well 
as a mention of AIX.


http://emersonprocess.com/systems/support/documentation/provox/docvue/CHIP/P4_0/pnCHIP_NTp4.pdf 



thanks
Jim
I found an Allen Bradley box which uses this, not sure if it needs a 
hub, but points to the use of the hardware.


Allen-Bradley-Data-Highway-Communication-Interface-1770-KF2-Ser-B-Rev-D-/

http://www.ebay.com/itm/391591793086

Re: Highway interface [warning contains an ebay ref], but is an old VMS network interface

[Adrian Graham]

I used to service a VAX 4000-200 that had one of those in, monitoring
17,000 endpoints in an oil refinery and crunching the numbers for a daily
report to the site manager. If you don't have the peerway at the other end
and the custom software it won't do anything.

That machine's probably still in its home behind the panels in the control
room. I had to head over there every january to do a PM on it even after
the chap who ran it left and they didn't replace him. One year I 'serviced'
it (not much to do, it was clean and dust free) then went back the next
year to find the Dead Sergeant prompt (>>>). Booting it back up I
discovered it had crashed 3 days after my previous visit and nobody noticed.

Not much point in going back after that!

On 12 October 2016 at 13:18, jim stephens  wrote:

>
>
> On 10/12/2016 12:57 AM, jim stephens wrote:
>
>> I found an interface I've never seen, a Fisher Rosemont Highway
>> interface.  I don't know much in the history of Dec / VMS, but am guessing
>> this is for Vax system only.
>>
>> HIGHWAY-INTERFACE-49A8569X052-62-FISHER-ROSEMOUNT-DC6450X1-HA5-40B1745-W-CABKIT-/
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/371645465846
>>
>> I found this flyer sheet about it with the info on the interface. I'm
>> guessing if you don't have one of the central boxes, you have some
>> expensive gold scrap in these boards.
>>
>> http://emersonprocess.com/systems/support/documentation/prov
>> ox/docvue/Product%20Data%20Sheets/Communications/buDH6032.pdf
>>
>> The fact this reference is where it is suggests there must be embedded
>> systems using it to justify the price though.  Also the other manual
>> referred to indicates that there is something that runs on NT, as well as a
>> mention of AIX.
>>
>> http://emersonprocess.com/systems/support/documentation/prov
>> ox/docvue/CHIP/P4_0/pnCHIP_NTp4.pdf
>>
>> thanks
>> Jim
>>
> I found an Allen Bradley box which uses this, not sure if it needs a hub,
> but points to the use of the hardware.
>
> Allen-Bradley-Data-Highway-Communication-Interface-1770-KF2-Ser-B-Rev-D-/
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/391591793086
>
>
>


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Re: 11/35 on eBait

[steven]

> On Oct 2, 2016 11:03 AM, "Noel Chiappa"  wrote:
>>
>> So there's another 11/35 up on eBait:
>>
>>   http://www.ebay.com/itm/142135416325
>>
>
> Went unsold at $3500. Relisted, this time at $5000.
>
> Buy it this time before it goes up to $6500 next time???
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/142146207101

In the original listing a polite enquiry had been made to list the module 
numbers but
the seller's reply was basically 'figure it out yourself from photo x'.
Surely if someone asks a simple question like that then how difficult could it 
be to
accomodate? Obviously too much effort for that seller it seems.

Steve.

Re: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!])

[Eric Smith]

DEC PDP-10:
MACRO-10

CP/M:
Turbo Pascal

(These are significantly more challenging than most of the other games
that have been mentioned, but with more subjective scoring.)

Re: DECwriter II and Decwriter III engineering drawings

[Paul Anderson]

Hi Richard,

Are they spoken for?

Thanks, Paul

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:26 PM, Richard Loken  wrote:

> I have fallen a across a bound set of LA36 and LA120 engineering drawings.
> Anybody want them for the cost of mailing them?
>
> Remember the good old days when you not only got a printer but detailed
> service information including a big set of engineering drawings?  Sigh.
>
> --
>   Richard Loken VE6BSV, Systems Programmer - VMS   : "...underneath those
>   Athabasca University : tuques we wear, our
>   Athabasca, Alberta Canada: heads are naked!"
>   ** rllo...@telus.net ** :- Arthur Black
>

Re: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!])

[Tapley, Mark]

Hm. I played “air traffic controller” on Mac Plus for a while. Was there an 
earlier screen-terminal version of that? Would be a completetly different game 
without the mouse, but …?

- Mark
210-522-6025 office 
210-379-4635cell



On Oct 12, 2016, at 4:42 PM, Ethan Dicks  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Pontus Pihlgren  wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 08:37:33PM -0700, Zane Healy wrote:
>>> 
>>> PDP-11:
>>> Pac-Man (cool to see on a VT)
>>> 
>> 
>> Where could I get a hold of this?
> 
> Googling for pacman.sav and RT-11 got me these:
>http://pdp-11.org.ru/~form/rtgames/
>
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/rt/games/
> 
> -ethan

Re: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!])

[geneb]

On Wed, 12 Oct 2016, Jerry Kemp wrote:


This discussion is stirring up so many old memories.

I distinctively recall, back at the time that this was relevant, that the 
(DOS) network game play was disrupting/saturating networks, because, if I 
recall the article correctly, the game was communicating with other nodes 
using broadcast packets, vs unicast or multicast packets.



If memory serves it caused quite a stir at Intel at one point. :)

g.

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Re: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!])

[Jerry Kemp]

This discussion is stirring up so many old memories.

I distinctively recall, back at the time that this was relevant, that the (DOS) 
network game play was disrupting/saturating networks, because, if I recall the 
article correctly, the game was communicating with other nodes using broadcast 
packets, vs unicast or multicast packets.


Off to Duckduckgo to see if I can find that article.

Jerry



On 10/12/16 04:22 AM, Peter Coghlan wrote:








Doom was *always* multiplayer and network aware. Doom 1.0 for DOS used
IPX networking and allowed 4 players to deathmatch.

Re: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!])

[Jerry Kemp]

supporting links, but not the original article from back in the day.







<>

On 10/12/16 11:55 AM, Jerry Kemp wrote:

This discussion is stirring up so many old memories.

I distinctively recall, back at the time that this was relevant, that the (DOS)
network game play was disrupting/saturating networks, because, if I recall the
article correctly, the game was communicating with other nodes using broadcast
packets, vs unicast or multicast packets.

Off to Duckduckgo to see if I can find that article.

Jerry



On 10/12/16 04:22 AM, Peter Coghlan wrote:








Doom was *always* multiplayer and network aware. Doom 1.0 for DOS used
IPX networking and allowed 4 players to deathmatch.

Re: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!])

[Ethan Dicks]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Jerry Kemp  wrote:
> This discussion is stirring up so many old memories.
>
> I distinctively recall, back at the time that this was relevant, that the
> (DOS) network game play was disrupting/saturating networks, because, if I
> recall the article correctly, the game was communicating with other nodes
> using broadcast packets, vs unicast or multicast packets.

My memories of multiplayer Doom on DOS machines go back to IPX over
Arcnet because at the time, Arcnet cards were much cheaper than
Ethernet, plus a simple 4-port Arcnet hub was 4 BNCs and 4 resistors.
The game networking code could be disruptive because it was common to
be on a private network.  That expectation did not extend to playing
on an office or campus Ethernet network.  I think later versions of
Doom toned the broadcast traffic down a bit.

When I was at McMurdo in the late 1990s, the network engineer could
always tell when someone was playing Doom, even solo, because the
version at the time would kick off a broadcast storm to look for
visible nodes and other players then settle down, and that left a
characteristic pattern of fireworks on his OpsView console.

-ethan

Re: large Wire wrap cards

[Chuck Guzis]

On 10/12/2016 02:42 AM, Eric Smith wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 4:06 PM, jim stephens 
> wrote:
>> The edge looks like Multibus, but the height looks too tall for
>> standard Multibus form factor.
> 
> True, but it's not entirely uncommon for there to be over-height 
> prototyping cards.


Indded.  The rationale was that when it was time to go from WW to PCB,
you'd get the same functionality in a standard-sized PCB.

--Chuck

Re: Gaming on old systems (was Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!])

[Charles Anthony]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Tapley, Mark  wrote:

> Hm. I played “air traffic controller” on Mac Plus for a while. Was there
> an earlier screen-terminal version of that? Would be a completetly
> different game without the mouse, but …?
>

There should be a UNIX curses version in bsdgames.

-- Charles

Re: Manuaal for the original Sun Workstation

[Richard Loken]

I received seven requests for the Sun Workstation manual.  I guess I will
draw a name from a hat or something...

--
  Richard Loken VE6BSV, Systems Programmer - VMS   : "...underneath those
  Athabasca University : tuques we wear, our
  Athabasca, Alberta Canada: heads are naked!"
  ** rllo...@telus.net ** :- Arthur Black

Re: DECwriter II and Decwriter III engineering drawings

[John H. Reinhardt]

On 10/12/2016 9:30 PM, Richard Loken wrote:

And five requests for these manuals.


Is someone going to scan them?  Have they been scanned already?  I guess I 
should look :-P

I just picked up a LA120 that's been in a storage unit since the mid 90's and I 
'll need to debug it.

John H. Reinhardt

Re: Highway interface [warning contains an ebay ref], but is an old VMS network interface

[Charles Dickman]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 8:18 AM, jim stephens  wrote:

> I found an Allen Bradley box which uses this, not sure if it needs a hub,
> but points to the use of the hardware.
>
> Allen-Bradley-Data-Highway-Communication-Interface-1770-KF2-Ser-B-Rev-D-/
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/391591793086
>
>

Data Highway brings back memories that aren't that old really. Its an
industrial communications network produced by Allen Bradley. I've used
it mostly for what would be called a machine cell: HMI connected to a
machine controller and then some ancillary equipment. It was 156k bps
(there were other speeds too depending on cable length), token
passing, multi-drop network over shielded twisted pair. The 1770-KF2
is sort of AUI for Data Highway. It allowed a computer or PLC with a
serial port to communicate on the network.

I remember the Pyramid Integrator advertisements that include VAX
connections. PLC programming software was offered for VMS. That was
all too high end for the industries we were involved in. We used
Compaq Portable 3 with 1784-KT cards in the 3 slot ISA box that
plugged on the back.

Data Highway was still reasonably current with Rockwell until ethernet
became dirt cheap and ubiquitous.

-chuck

Re: Remember Data Printer Corp?

[Richard Loken]

The offer of DPC manuals led to many happy reminscenses but only one
request for the manuals (with a promise to scan them).

Are there scans of these manuals available on-line?

--
  Richard Loken VE6BSV, Systems Programmer - VMS   : "...underneath those
  Athabasca University : tuques we wear, our
  Athabasca, Alberta Canada: heads are naked!"
  ** rllo...@telus.net ** :- Arthur Black

Re: DECwriter II and Decwriter III engineering drawings

[Richard Loken]

And five requests for these manuals.

--
  Richard Loken VE6BSV, Systems Programmer - VMS   : "...underneath those
  Athabasca University : tuques we wear, our
  Athabasca, Alberta Canada: heads are naked!"
  ** rllo...@telus.net ** :- Arthur Black

Re: DECwriter II and Decwriter III engineering drawings

[Richard Loken]

On Wed, 12 Oct 2016, John H. Reinhardt wrote:



On 10/12/2016 9:30 PM, Richard Loken wrote:

And five requests for these manuals.

Is someone going to scan them?  Have they been scanned already?  I guess I 
should look :-P


I too would like to know if these manuals have been scanned already.  If
good scans are already available I can send them off to somebody without
any guilt but otherwise I should send them who intends to see them
scanned.

--
  Richard Loken VE6BSV, Systems Programmer - VMS   : "...underneath those
  Athabasca University : tuques we wear, our
  Athabasca, Alberta Canada: heads are naked!"
  ** rllo...@telus.net ** :- Arthur Black

Re: NWA auctions

[Josh Dersch]

On 10/12/16 9:13 PM, Al Kossow wrote:

https://grafeauction.proxibid.com/asp/catalog.asp?aid=117590=288#288

someone needs to grab those 11/45's!




Thanks for the tip!  Against my better judgement I put in a bid on the 
one without the trim on the faceplate...


- Josh

Re: NWA auctions

[Jason T]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 11:13 PM, Al Kossow  wrote:
> https://grafeauction.proxibid.com/asp/catalog.asp?aid=117590=288#288

There are a lot of interesting items/lots in this auction.  I hope
whoever ends up with the main bits finds the extras as well.  Wonder
if the /45 controlled their flight simulator...

Re: Manuaal for the original Sun Workstation

[Jerry Kemp]

any chance that it could be scanned, then shared that way?

Thanks,

Jerry


On 10/12/16 08:28 PM, Richard Loken wrote:

I received seven requests for the Sun Workstation manual.  I guess I will
draw a name from a hat or something...

Re: NWA auctions

[jim stephens]

On 10/12/2016 9:37 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:


On 10/12/16 9:13 PM, Al Kossow wrote:

https://grafeauction.proxibid.com/asp/catalog.asp?aid=117590=288#288

someone needs to grab those 11/45's!




Thanks for the tip!  Against my better judgement I put in a bid on the 
one without the trim on the faceplate...


- Josh


Will you help get one of the 747 full motion boxes back to my house?  
they have several of those, plus several DC-9 simulators. :-)


Anyone interested in Gould or in Evans & Sutherland should look thru all 
the listings.  There is one tall cabinet that appears full of E equipment.


thanks
Jim

NWA auctions

[Al Kossow]

https://grafeauction.proxibid.com/asp/catalog.asp?aid=117590=288#288

someone needs to grab those 11/45's!

Re: Manuaal for the original Sun Workstation

[jim stephens]

On 10/12/2016 9:47 PM, Jerry Kemp wrote:

any chance that it could be scanned, then shared that way?

Thanks,

Jerry

Something like what is on this page?

http://www.solivant.com/sun100/

Bitsavers:

http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/sun/sun1/

thanks
Jim

Re: Highway interface [warning contains an ebay ref], but is an old VMS network interface

[Cameron Kaiser]

> Some years ago I was talking to Virginia DOT about access to camera feeds 
> in the Hampton Roads (Southeastern Virginia) region. I eventually got 
> access to the ftp site where the pics were dumped out every 5 minutes.
> 
> The listing of cameras was screen shots taken from an OpenVMS control 
> application that had the camera names and locations on maps, as well as 
> digital signage and some other functions. I was kind of surprised since 
> this was late in the VMS game, perhaps mid 2000's. And the system was 
> still being built.
> 
> Not sure if that board is a part of that setup but it was VMS. Probably 
> still have the screenshots somewhere.

I'm sure there are fellow roadgeeks on this list, so I find VMS(*) in this
context to be thoroughly ambiguous. :)

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(*) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable-message_sign