On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:22:21 -0700, Dick Applebaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a way, it is analogous to the SQL specification(s) and
> implementations
In other words "Yes, you can write portable JMS code if you know what
you're doing"...
> 1) I can't make anything work on JRUn JMS
I've sent
On Aug 20, 2004, at 3:16 PM, Sean Corfield wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:44:04 -0700, Dick Applebaum
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > JMS, in particular is dependent on the implementation of the
> specific
> > JMS provider. (JBoss, JRun, IBM, etc all have different
> interfaces).
>
> That
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:44:04 -0700, Dick Applebaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> JMS, in particular is dependent on the implementation of the specific
> JMS provider. (JBoss, JRun, IBM, etc all have different interfaces).
That isn't really true: if you program against the javax.jms
specification y
On Aug 20, 2004, at 8:59 AM, Sean Corfield wrote:
>
> True but using one of the out-of-the-box gateways does not nor will
> using any 3rd party gateways that people write. The end result will be
> access to a large number of protocols with no knowledge of Java
> required - for example, my JMS
I think Vince is making some very good points here - remember that New
Atlanta have always said that they are going after a slightly
different audience to Macromedia and therefore the features they add
for their customer base are likely to be slightly different to those
added by Macromedia for thei
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:41:10 -0400, Matt Liotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Writing an event gateway requires knowledge of Java therefore yours is not a
> valid argument.
True but using one of the out-of-the-box gateways does not nor will
using any 3rd party gateways that people write. The end re
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:00:05 -0400, Alexander Sherwood
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If the gateway doesn't support FuseBox 4.5 circuits and the FLiP process (not to mention .qry and .dsp files), then MACR should go with Mach-II listeners.
Funny you should mention that - I'm currently building a pr
On Wednesday 18 Aug 2004 18:23 pm, S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
> Except that I have yet to find a way to instantiate a cfquery object
> using a Java Resultset that works consistently and efficiently (or at
Why not just return a structure that looks like a query ?
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> LOL
> tony u can speak 4 me anytime, gives me more time to go
> fishin!
>
> overcast AND season NEQ winter>
Syntax is a bit odd... not sure it will work that way, try this:
:)
s. isaac dealey 954.927.5117
new epoch : isn't it time for a change?
add features without fixtures wit
LOL
tony u can speak 4 me anytime, gives me more time to go fishin!
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From: Tony Weeg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:38:08 -0400
>you know what man, i dont want, wait a minute,
>YOU CANT DO
> Not at all! This is the perfect time to air concerns regarding
> Blackstone as it allows Macromedia time to address them before the
> product ships if they choose to. They may have already addressed the
> issue or they may not have thought of it. Better to be safe and discuss
> it now.
I don'
> You are missing the context of the thread though.
Maybe I am. I don't think so, but it's always possible. :) This thread has
been very long, and, as most mailing list conversations go, it's covered
quite a bit of territory.
> The original statement was as follows.
Which itself was a reply to p
NDA reminder here for anyone under NDA.
Thanks
>> In that case, isn't it too early to be having this discussion? Or at
>Not at all! This is the perfect time to air concerns regarding Blackstone as
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> In that case, isn't it too early to be having this discussion? Or at
> least,
> to expect it to be a meaningful discussion?
>
Not at all! This is the perfect time to air concerns regarding Blackstone as
it allows Macromedia time to address them before the product ships if they
choose to. They ma
> That is a fair argument, but I think it is too early to tell whether
> the event gateway will provide this consistency.
In that case, isn't it too early to be having this discussion? Or at least,
to expect it to be a meaningful discussion?
> Again, the framework it provides could be great, but
LLC
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From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 1:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article
Hmm, that's an interesting point on flash generation... Did New
Atlan
Why? They're all fine frameworks. No gasket-blowing in sight (unless
one considers your random irrational generalizations as blowing a
gasket).
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From: Alexander Sherwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:53:19 -0400
Subject: RE: BLACKSTON
> Didn't realize it was in that context... but okay -- since I read the
> other one where you quoted the context you were speaking within
> specifically -- the _minor_ revision then is -- "if you don't like the
> way the pre-built gateways work, buy or use one someone else has
> built", which is st
Nothing wrong with Fusebox. Nothing wrong with any framework or
methodology... Whatever works for ya.
Michael T. Tangorre
> I'm sorry...I just can't help myself. As I was typing the
> above response, I could see a red-faced "FuseBoxer" knee-deep
> in a "nested circuit" just blowing a gasket a
At 01:46 PM 8/18/2004, you wrote:
>> It has to do with Mach-II blowing all other frameworks away. That is,
>> except Java Server Faces and Struts.
>>
>Glad you cleared that up. ;)
I'm sorry...I just can't help myself. As I was typing the above response, I could see a red-faced "FuseBoxer" knee-de
>> Excuse me? MM is providing a handful of pre-built
>> gateways to begin with, much less having a consistent
>> interface provided by MM which allows others who are
>> Java knowledgeable to create, package and distribute
>> additional gateways. At which point, yes, it is a very
>> valid argument.
> It has to do with Mach-II blowing all other frameworks away. That is,
> except Java Server Faces and Struts.
>
Glad you cleared that up. ;)
-Matt
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Hmm, that's an interesting point on flash generation... Did New Atlanta just get left behind big time in the compatability dept?
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From: Matt Liotta
Date: 8/18/04 8:59 am
To: CF-Talk
Subj: RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article
I don't know
At 01:35 PM 8/18/2004, you wrote:
>> Probably. But very few (if any) are using their own application
>> schemes instead of .
>>
>What does that have to do with cflogin or frameworks?
>
>-Matt
It has to do with Mach-II blowing all other frameworks away. That is, except Java Server Faces and Struts
> Excuse me? MM is providing a handful of pre-built gateways to begin
> with, much less having a consistent interface provided by MM which
> allows others who are Java knowledgeable to create, package and
> distribute additional gateways. At which point, yes, it is a very
> valid argument. The end
> On Wednesday 18 Aug 2004 17:28 pm, S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
>> And use that for cfquery how? ... I know that I can
>> connect to
> Well, either write your own cf_query, or a cfquery
> object/UDF to behave like
> cfquery did back when CF support DSN-less nativly (4.5
> ?)... all you are
> doing wit
>> Like all things CF, it's more accessible to people who
>> aren't Java experts.
>>
> Writing an event gateway requires knowledge of Java
> therefore yours is not a valid argument.
Excuse me? MM is providing a handful of pre-built gateways to begin
with, much less having a consistent interface pr
On Wednesday 18 Aug 2004 17:28 pm, S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
> And use that for cfquery how? ... I know that I can connect to
Well, either write your own cf_query, or a cfquery object/UDF to behave like
cfquery did back when CF support DSN-less nativly (4.5 ?)... all you are
doing with hacking the
> On Wednesday 18 Aug 2004 14:34 pm, S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
>> CF-Admin... If I could get DSN-less connections with
>> CFMX, I'd be all
>> over it.
> Umm, you can, with the service factory java objects...
And use that for cfquery how? ... I know that I can connect to
datasources without using a D
> Declaring that it's not a valid argument does not make it so. As many
> people
> have already stated, there will be several built in gateways. ColdFusion
> developers will be able to start using these from day one with no
> knowledge
> of Java.
>
You are missing the context of the thread though.
> > Like all things CF, it's more accessible to people who aren't Java
> > experts.
> >
> Writing an event gateway requires knowledge of Java therefore yours is not
> a valid argument.
Declaring that it's not a valid argument does not make it so. As many people
have already stated, there will be
>
>Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:00:05 -0400
>Subject: RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article
>To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>At 09:56 AM 8/18/2004, you wrote:
>>> matt, i respect your intelligence, i respect your message,
>>> you are way off
n with my applications, that will be seen when the full
documentation or product is ready for testing.
Gavin
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Sent: 18 August 2004 15:49
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article
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From: Micha Schopman
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:10 AM
Subject: RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development
> Like all things CF, it's more accessible to people who aren't Java
> experts.
>
Writing an event gateway requires knowledge of Java therefore yours is not a
valid argument.
> After all, a structure is just a Java object. So what makes CF
> structures any better than using the underlying Java ob
What are you talking about? If you're being serious, this doesn't make
any sense at all. If you're joking, it's not funny.
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From: Alexander Sherwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 10:00:05 -0400
Subject: RE: BLACKSTONE: Software De
On Wednesday 18 Aug 2004 14:34 pm, S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
> CF-Admin... If I could get DSN-less connections with CFMX, I'd be all
> over it.
Umm, you can, with the service factory java objects...
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> If the gateway doesn't support FuseBox 4.5 circuits and
> the FLiP process (not to mention .qry and .dsp files),
> then MACR should go with Mach-II listeners.
> Mach-II is really the best choice to build the forthcoming
> remote Java --> CFC invocation event-based gateway, by
> far.
Ummm... no.
I'm more silenced at the notion of Tony representing the "soft spoken" :)
(but while there is a short silence, I'm going to throw in a soft spoken
request that this thread move to community?)
Alexander Sherwood wrote:
>At 09:56 AM 8/18/2004, you wrote:
>
>
>>>matt, i respect your intelligenc
At 09:56 AM 8/18/2004, you wrote:
>> matt, i respect your intelligence, i respect your message,
>> you are way off the scales on the iq chart im sure,
>> butyour delivery sucks.
>> if your personality was half of what your intelligence was,
>> man, im sure you could be president. i hope th
> matt, i respect your intelligence, i respect your message,
> you are way off the scales on the iq chart im sure,
> butyour delivery sucks.
> if your personality was half of what your intelligence was,
> man, im sure you could be president. i hope this doesnt
> offend you, its not intend
you know what man, i dont want, wait a minute,
YOU CANT DO ANYTHING WITH ME, you dont have that option, friend, sorry.
now, mike d, he could throw him off the list, sure...
im not here to get into a pissing match with you matt, i just tend to
be the voice of
the soft spoken crowd. the crowd that
>> Think about this... don't like the way CFMX handles
>> webservices?
>> Thinks its buggy and a pain to use? Just don't want to
>> use Axis
>> because you have a better idea? Write your own event
>> gateway for
>> webservices and that utilizes some other SOAP engine.
>> Want to
>> implement SOAP
Personally, the moment BlueDragon came out I thought.. "those guys actually give us what the community always wanted". BlueDragon just filled up that spot which has always been on the request list of many developers.
And also personally, I don't think I will ever use Flash forms, or auto-generated
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Tony Weeg
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:46 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article
>
> is the underlying factor here some problem with how B
is the underlying factor here some problem with how BD wont be able to
piggyback the event gateway or use it or steal it?
must be something like this, or else i dont think matt's panties would
be in a bunch like this...they only tend to get into this sorta snag
when something like this is happenin
> Blackstone will ship with a number of out-of-the-box gateways that
> connect to a number of protocols - meaning ColdFusion developers don't
> need to write them. That in itself is a win.
>
Agreed, but Macromedia could have supplied protocol handlers without
building an event gateway. Instead, th
At 03:53 PM 8/17/2004, Joe Rinehart wrote:
>I think you left off my favorite:
>
>
I start every program with:
T
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> Matt, don't you realize that the event gateway IS external Java
> invocation of CFCs? I remember you complaining about not being able
> to to this without really digging really deep and that it really
> wasn't recommened due to its fragile and tricky nature. Isn't nice
> that MM has provided a p
On Tuesday 17 Aug 2004 15:31 pm, Matt Liotta wrote:
> Compare this with an event gateway, which is still undefined,
Speak for yourself.
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:03:56 -0400, Matt Liotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> However, the only
> missing piece currently is Java invocation of CFCs.
See Ben Forta's tour report:
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/blackstone.html
In particular:
"Lots of Other Goodies
Big an
Matt, don't you realize that the event gateway IS external Java
invocation of CFCs? I remember you complaining about not being able
to to this without really digging really deep and that it really
wasn't recommened due to its fragile and tricky nature. Isn't nice
that MM has provided a public, doc
matt,
does anything make u happy?
my god man
what can we do 2 put some sunshine up yer bum?
-- Original Message --
From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:03:56 -0400
>> I'd already built a standard CF
On Aug 17, 2004, at 7:03 PM, Matt Liotta wrote:
> > I'd already built a standard CF app that took XML files and imported
> > them into Oracle Applications via the database. The event gateway
> has
> > allowed me to receive XML messages asynchronously and use the same
> > code to process them a
> I'd already built a standard CF app that took XML files and imported
> them into Oracle Applications via the database. The event gateway has
> allowed me to receive XML messages asynchronously and use the same
> code to process them as I was already using for the XML files. JMS is
> much more rel
On Aug 17, 2004, at 5:02 PM, Sean Corfield wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:33:37 -0400, Whittingham, P
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I personally feel that features like event gateway, once we
> 'understand' its details will have features to integrate 3rd party
> vendors. I am curious how
>
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:33:37 -0400, Whittingham, P
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I personally feel that features like event gateway, once we 'understand' its details will have features to integrate 3rd party vendors. I am curious how
> Sean Cornfield implemented it against Oracle Financial, since we
' against maybe an OLAP or
Content Management sysytem.
Patrick Whittingham
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From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article
In regards to the event gateway fe
, August 17, 2004 1:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
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> the Event Gateway decouples a cfmx app from the browser -- that means:
>
It does no such thing since a CFML application was never coupled with the
browser in the first place.
> 1) you can
I think you left off my favorite:
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From: Matt Liotta
Date: 8/17/04 1:42 pm
To: CF-Talk
Subj: RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article
> the Event Gateway decouples a cfmx app from the browser -- th
Now that was some funny shit. LOL
-Mike
> CF Isn't perfect, but BlueDragon is.
>
> Instead of investing in gateways and silly things like
> flash-based forms, New Atlanta included the tag.
>
> This is the first Web application server with a truly "mass
> appeal" feature: pickup your dry cl
essage -
From: Matt Liotta
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:42 PM
Subject: RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article
I disagree. CFML is well suited for what it was designed for. In fact, I
would go as far as to say that CFML is the best scripting language
> the Event Gateway decouples a cfmx app from the browser -- that means:
>
It does no such thing since a CFML application was never coupled with the
browser in the first place.
> 1) you can run a cf app anywhere that meets the requirements
>
You can do that now.
> 2) The CF developer will be ab
At 01:31 PM 8/17/2004, you wrote:
CF Isn't perfect, but BlueDragon is.
Instead of investing in gateways and silly things like flash-based forms, New Atlanta included the tag.
This is the first Web application server with a truly "mass appeal" feature: pickup your dry cleaning. You still have to
Matt Liotta wrote:
>
> Sure, but the question is always how many. If most people feel that
> way then
> it was a waste of time. If most people don't feel that way then it likely
> wasn't a waste of time. My assertion is that features like Flash-based
> forms
> have much wider appeal.
Let's find
On Aug 17, 2004, at 10:04 AM, Matt Liotta wrote:
> I didn't state I wouldn't use this feature. I simply responded to the
> notion
> that is an important feature. I don't think it is.
>
Matt
My opinion is just the opposite.
the Event Gateway decouples a cfmx app from the browser -- that means
Fair enough.
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:04:44 -0400, Matt Liotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Matt, I might be wrong here, but I don't think it's Macromedia's intention
> > to make it COMPULSORY for you to use the new feature.
> >
> I don't think anyone even implied that.
>
> > I think you could ta
> Matt, I might be wrong here, but I don't think it's Macromedia's intention
> to make it COMPULSORY for you to use the new feature.
>
I don't think anyone even implied that.
> I think you could take almost any aspect of ColdFusion and there would be
> people who would say "I have no idea why the
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To: CF-Talk
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From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2004 1:41 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article
> But I think it is not unrealistic to expect the built-in gateways
On Aug 17, 2004, at 9:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> The Blackstone feature set will without a doubt let CF developers
> think outside the web app box. Web apps are great, but the world is
> increasingly wireless, mobile and instant. Now and in the future, I
> believe
On Aug 17, 2004, at 9:13 AM, Matt Liotta wrote:
> Wow, that company was able to do all that without event gateways. They
> must
> be an organization with extensive resources and specialized expertise.
No, Matt, just a small very-talented staff.
This was CF 3.x
The person who conceived and imp
>>Hopefully, they won't spend too much time on a feature without mass appeal.
We're definitely trying to spend our resources as wisely as possible.
We've held back talking about the Event Gateway and IM/SMS feature set during the early tours, etc for a number of reasons, but you'll be hearing m
ust 17, 2004 12:08 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article
>
> On Aug 17, 2004, at 8:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > We always welcome ideas, so if you have some for Gateways, we'd love
> > to hea
Matt Liotta wrote:
>> But I think it is not unrealistic to expect the built-in gateways
>> (plus a few extensions that will undoubtedly be released) will do
>> the majority of what the majority of developers need. It will be
>> a while before the average developer wants more then say IM, SMS,
>> SN
On Aug 17, 2004, at 8:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> We always welcome ideas, so if you have some for Gateways, we'd love
> to hear them. I'm sure if there's demand, there will be enterprising
> 3rd parties anxious to meet the demand. In fact, it's already
> happening :
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Sweet! Of course you do 2-way as well, so you could respond and DO something about it from your phone.
Don't wake a sleeping BOFH ;-)
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At 11:46 AM 8/17/2004, you wrote:
LMAO!
TTFN,
Alex
>That was the best acronym-ed post this list has ever seen
>
>Ray
>http://www.crystalvision.org
>
>At 11:40 AM 8/17/2004, you wrote:
>> > But I think it is not unrealistic to expect the built-in gateways
>> > (plus a few extensions that will
That was the best acronym-ed post this list has ever seen
Ray
http://www.crystalvision.org
At 11:40 AM 8/17/2004, you wrote:
> > But I think it is not unrealistic to expect the built-in gateways
> > (plus a few extensions that will undoubtedly be released) will do
> > the majority of what the
> But I think it is not unrealistic to expect the built-in gateways
> (plus a few extensions that will undoubtedly be released) will do
> the majority of what the majority of developers need. It will be
> a while before the average developer wants more then say IM, SMS,
> SNMP and maybe telnet and
At 11:36 AM 8/17/2004, you wrote:
>This seems to be a very hot topic, so, I have to jump on this wagon too :)
>all right, in all earnestness, how about adding a feature to allow a developer to be able to distribute his/her app (eval copy, expires in 30 days etc. flexible, so he or she can set any e
This seems to be a very hot topic, so, I have to jump on this wagon too :)
all right, in all earnestness, how about adding a feature to allow a developer to be able to distribute his/her app (eval copy, expires in 30 days etc. flexible, so he or she can set any exp. days of choice), now, would this
Sweet! Of course you do 2-way as well, so you could respond and DO something about it from your phone.
>A SNMP trap gateway. Mainly receiving, so I can forward traps
>collected by the SNMP gateway through the SMS gateway to my
>mobile phone, but sending traps might be usefull for people who
>w
Matt Liotta wrote:
>> Of course, the architecture is extensible, so if you need a Gateway to
>> something and we don't include it, if you have Java skills, you can build
>> your own for CFML developers to use.
>
> That is the key point, it requires Java skills if one of the built-in
> gateways doe
If Macromedia provides us with the tools, to create such, I see no
problem. Maybe it would become in like
action="">
event="network/io/db/memory/etc"
task="cfc">
And the use CFC's to handle the events. So the gateway only is a
observer, and triggers cfc's
If the source code is provided I think it is likely that more people
will try to develop their own if the situation arises where they need
something different. I know sometimes people just need a solid
starting block, though I agree with Matt's skepticism.
Adam
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:26:56 -0400
I would think you guys would be excited by this new functionality and what this will mean for you and your customers. Am I missing something here?
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> We always welcome ideas, so if you have some for Gateways, we'd love to hear them.
A SNMP trap gateway. Mainly receiving, so I can forward traps
collected by the SNMP gateway through the SMS gateway to my
mobile phone, but sending traps might be us
> Matt, what exactly is your point... besides that the Event Gateway
> isn't that great of an idea? Are you just trying to be contrary?
>
I thought I stated my point clearly; the event gateway doesn't seem that
interesting of a feature for the greater CFML community especially when
compared to th
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 11:08 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article
>
> Analogies aside, th
the
> built-in gateways, then the chances it does what you need are really good.
>
> Sam
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:08 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE:
Analogies aside, the Event Gateway makes CF natively extensible and enables capabilities previously only available to organizations with access to extensive resources and specialized expertise.
The best part is you'll be able to build these apps (or add these capabilities to existing apps) liter
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> Subject: RE: BLACKSTONE: Software Development Times Article
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> > Of course, the architecture is extensible, so if you need a
> Gateway to
> > something and we don't include it, if you have Java skills,
> you can build
> > your own for CFML developers to use.
> A similar analogy might be the use vs creation of a JDBC driver:
>
> You definitely want to use one, but you probably don't want to write one.
>
I completely disagree. What possible reason would a CFML developer have for
creating a JDBC driver? Every major database provides one, Macromedia
prov
This is one of our sample Gateways provided for demonstration purposes and is provided with source code. It will likely be useful for some folks, however. When you give folks an open API, it sometimes surprising what they dream and come up with!
>> The article says that you can set up a hot f
A similar analogy might be the use vs creation of a JDBC driver:
You definitely want to use one, but you probably don't want to write one.
The Gateways we provide will be well suited to their tasks, well tested, highly scalable and robust. But we recognize it's a big world out there, and ther
> Of course, the architecture is extensible, so if you need a Gateway to
> something and we don't include it, if you have Java skills, you can build
> your own for CFML developers to use.
>
That is the key point, it requires Java skills if one of the built-in
gateways doesn't do what you need. Wha
> The article says that you can set up a hot folder -- any time
> something is saved/changes in the folder it can fire a gateway event
> that triggers a CFC. ... no JMS there
>
How is that new? You can do that today without an event gateway.
-Matt
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