Re: CF Builder 3

[Roger Austin]

I would let it expire and see if you need the license. I use the expired trial 
and it does everything I need. It isn't worth spending the $300 unless you use 
the extra tooling.

 William Seiter  wrote: 
> 
> Good Afternoon,
> 
> I have been playing with the mobile abilities of CF11 recently and just
> noticed that my trial copy of the CFB is coming to an end soon.
> 
> Does anyone have an extra license for CFB 3 that they would be willing to
> part with?
> 
> I don't want to pay the full retail price for something I am just 'playing
> with' yet.
> 
> Thanks,
> William
> 
> 
> --
> William Seiter 
> 
> 
> 

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CF Builder 3

[William Seiter]

Good Afternoon,

I have been playing with the mobile abilities of CF11 recently and just
noticed that my trial copy of the CFB is coming to an end soon.

Does anyone have an extra license for CFB 3 that they would be willing to
part with?

I don't want to pay the full retail price for something I am just 'playing
with' yet.

Thanks,
William


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Re: CF Builder 3

[Casey Dougall]

Serialisly

No sorry...

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015, 7:37 AM Uwe Degenhardt  wrote:

>
> Hi Casey, this is awesome !
> Thanks for sharing this link with us. :-)
>
> Do you have a HomeSite+-licence-serial you can sell me ?
> Uwe
> > My memory isn't what it use to be...
>
> > Good thing we have a nice archive now...
>
> > https://www.copy.com/s/nhIbHZYZnmPN/ColdFusion%20Repo
> > On Jan 15, 2015 4:20 PM, "Michael Grant"  wrote:
>
> >>
> >> I seem to remember TopStyle being on the CF5 discs along with CF
> Studio. Or
> >> was it CF 6, which was MX wasn't it? I can't remember. That was ages
> ago.
> >>
> >> What I do remember is that I absolutely loved the RDS features on CF
> >> Studio. I was gutted when I had to stop using CF Studio for lack of
> >> compatibility when I upgraded to a newer version of Windows.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:46 PM, M.A. Kruger 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Andrew,
> >> >
> >> > I seem to remember that topstyle shipped "with" cf studio and with
> >> > homesite. how could homesite be a later version of topstyle?
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> > > On Jan 14, 2015, at 7:16 PM, Andrew Scott 
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > And for fuck sake my name is not Scott, but then if you can get that
> >> > wrong
> >> > > you can get your facts wrong about Studio as well.
> >> > >
> >> > > Regards,
> >> > > Andrew Scott
> >> > > WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> >> > > Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Andrew Scott <
> >> andr...@andyscott.id.au>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Wil,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I am not sadly misinformed at all.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Nick Bradley created a product called Top Style, which I used
> >> > extensively
> >> > >> in those days. Allaire then purchased that program from Nick and
> >> > rebadged
> >> > >> it as Homesite, Homesite Studio was the first version which
> followed
> >> by
> >> > the
> >> > >> free version called Homesite. Studio did things that Homesite could
> >> not
> >> > do.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Studio was then let go in favor of making Homesite more powerful,
> >> hence
> >> > >> HomeSite+, problem was that the best features of Studio where lost
> >> > forever.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> So how is that misinformed?
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Regards,
> >> > >> Andrew Scott
> >> > >> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> >> > >> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Wil Genovese <
> jugg...@trunkful.com>
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Scott,
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> You are sadly misinformed.  Nick Bradbury created Homesite and
> then
> >> > sold
> >> > >>> it to Allaire. Later Nick also created Top Style as a stand alone
> CSS
> >> > >>> Editor.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Homesite was originally developed in Borland Delphi in 1995 by
> Nick
> >> > >>> Bradbury. Bradbury wrote HomeSite after using HotDogand being
> >> > frustrated
> >> > >>> with it. In March 1997 Allaire Corporation from Cambridge,
> >> > Massachusetts
> >> > >>> (founded by brothers Jeremy and J.J. Allaire) acquired HomeSite
> and
> >> > Nick
> >> > >>> Bradbury joined Allaire. After leaving Allaire in 1998, Bradbury
> went
> >> > on to
> >> > >>> work on the CSS/xHTML editor TopStyle and the RSS reader
> FeedDemon.
> >> > >>> Macromedia acquired Allaire in 2001 and was in turn acquired by
> Adobe
> >> > in
> >> > >>> 2005.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Even Wikipedia has it right
> >> > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macromedia_HomeSite
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Wil Genovese
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> One man with courage makes a majority.
> >> > >>> -Andrew Jackson
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
> >> > >>>
> >> >  On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Andrew Scott <
> andr...@andyscott.id.au>
> >> > >>> wrote:
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> >  And it was called Top Style before Allaire bought it and
> rebranded
> >> it
> >> > as
> >> >  Homesite Studio in 1996.
> >> > 
> >> >  Regards,
> >> >  Andrew Scott
> >> >  WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> >> >  Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> >  On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Andrew Scott <
> >> > andr...@andyscott.id.au
> >> > 
> >> >  wrote:
> >> > 
> >> > > Sorry that should be 1996 not 1995
> >> > >
> >> > > Regards,
> >> > > Andrew Scott
> >> > > WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> >> > > Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Andrew Scott <
> >> > >>> andr...@andyscott.id.au>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> I don't know about pre dating it, I have been using Studio
> since
> >> > 1995,
> >> > >> when 

Re: CF Builder 3

[Uwe Degenhardt]

Hi Casey, this is awesome !
Thanks for sharing this link with us. :-)

Do you have a HomeSite+-licence-serial you can sell me ?
Uwe
> My memory isn't what it use to be...

> Good thing we have a nice archive now...

> https://www.copy.com/s/nhIbHZYZnmPN/ColdFusion%20Repo
> On Jan 15, 2015 4:20 PM, "Michael Grant"  wrote:

>>
>> I seem to remember TopStyle being on the CF5 discs along with CF Studio. Or
>> was it CF 6, which was MX wasn't it? I can't remember. That was ages ago.
>>
>> What I do remember is that I absolutely loved the RDS features on CF
>> Studio. I was gutted when I had to stop using CF Studio for lack of
>> compatibility when I upgraded to a newer version of Windows.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:46 PM, M.A. Kruger 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Andrew,
>> >
>> > I seem to remember that topstyle shipped "with" cf studio and with
>> > homesite. how could homesite be a later version of topstyle?
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > > On Jan 14, 2015, at 7:16 PM, Andrew Scott 
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > And for fuck sake my name is not Scott, but then if you can get that
>> > wrong
>> > > you can get your facts wrong about Studio as well.
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Andrew Scott
>> > > WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>> > > Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Andrew Scott <
>> andr...@andyscott.id.au>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Wil,
>> > >>
>> > >> I am not sadly misinformed at all.
>> > >>
>> > >> Nick Bradley created a product called Top Style, which I used
>> > extensively
>> > >> in those days. Allaire then purchased that program from Nick and
>> > rebadged
>> > >> it as Homesite, Homesite Studio was the first version which followed
>> by
>> > the
>> > >> free version called Homesite. Studio did things that Homesite could
>> not
>> > do.
>> > >>
>> > >> Studio was then let go in favor of making Homesite more powerful,
>> hence
>> > >> HomeSite+, problem was that the best features of Studio where lost
>> > forever.
>> > >>
>> > >> So how is that misinformed?
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Regards,
>> > >> Andrew Scott
>> > >> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>> > >> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Wil Genovese 
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Scott,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> You are sadly misinformed.  Nick Bradbury created Homesite and then
>> > sold
>> > >>> it to Allaire. Later Nick also created Top Style as a stand alone CSS
>> > >>> Editor.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Homesite was originally developed in Borland Delphi in 1995 by Nick
>> > >>> Bradbury. Bradbury wrote HomeSite after using HotDogand being
>> > frustrated
>> > >>> with it. In March 1997 Allaire Corporation from Cambridge,
>> > Massachusetts
>> > >>> (founded by brothers Jeremy and J.J. Allaire) acquired HomeSite and
>> > Nick
>> > >>> Bradbury joined Allaire. After leaving Allaire in 1998, Bradbury went
>> > on to
>> > >>> work on the CSS/xHTML editor TopStyle and the RSS reader FeedDemon.
>> > >>> Macromedia acquired Allaire in 2001 and was in turn acquired by Adobe
>> > in
>> > >>> 2005.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Even Wikipedia has it right
>> > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macromedia_HomeSite
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Wil Genovese
>> > >>>
>> > >>> One man with courage makes a majority.
>> > >>> -Andrew Jackson
>> > >>>
>> > >>> A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
>> > >>>
>> >  On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Andrew Scott 
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> >  And it was called Top Style before Allaire bought it and rebranded
>> it
>> > as
>> >  Homesite Studio in 1996.
>> > 
>> >  Regards,
>> >  Andrew Scott
>> >  WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>> >  Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>> > 
>> > 
>> >  On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Andrew Scott <
>> > andr...@andyscott.id.au
>> > 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > > Sorry that should be 1996 not 1995
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Andrew Scott
>> > > WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>> > > Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Andrew Scott <
>> > >>> andr...@andyscott.id.au>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I don't know about pre dating it, I have been using Studio since
>> > 1995,
>> > >> when Allaire purchased it. They then decided to release Homesite
>> and
>> > >>> then
>> > >> Homesite+
>> > >>
>> > >> The only difference between the two, was that Studio had far more
>> > >> features. When Studio was discontinued, they then decided to
>> release
>> > >> homesite+
>> > >>
>> > >> I still have the Homesite Studio Disc with the copyright of 1994
>> on
>> > >>> it.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Regards,
>> > >

Re: CF Builder 3

[Casey Dougall]

My memory isn't what it use to be...

Good thing we have a nice archive now...

https://www.copy.com/s/nhIbHZYZnmPN/ColdFusion%20Repo
On Jan 15, 2015 4:20 PM, "Michael Grant"  wrote:

>
> I seem to remember TopStyle being on the CF5 discs along with CF Studio. Or
> was it CF 6, which was MX wasn't it? I can't remember. That was ages ago.
>
> What I do remember is that I absolutely loved the RDS features on CF
> Studio. I was gutted when I had to stop using CF Studio for lack of
> compatibility when I upgraded to a newer version of Windows.
>
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:46 PM, M.A. Kruger 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Andrew,
> >
> > I seem to remember that topstyle shipped "with" cf studio and with
> > homesite. how could homesite be a later version of topstyle?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jan 14, 2015, at 7:16 PM, Andrew Scott 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > And for fuck sake my name is not Scott, but then if you can get that
> > wrong
> > > you can get your facts wrong about Studio as well.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Andrew Scott
> > > WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> > > Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Andrew Scott <
> andr...@andyscott.id.au>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Wil,
> > >>
> > >> I am not sadly misinformed at all.
> > >>
> > >> Nick Bradley created a product called Top Style, which I used
> > extensively
> > >> in those days. Allaire then purchased that program from Nick and
> > rebadged
> > >> it as Homesite, Homesite Studio was the first version which followed
> by
> > the
> > >> free version called Homesite. Studio did things that Homesite could
> not
> > do.
> > >>
> > >> Studio was then let go in favor of making Homesite more powerful,
> hence
> > >> HomeSite+, problem was that the best features of Studio where lost
> > forever.
> > >>
> > >> So how is that misinformed?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Andrew Scott
> > >> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> > >> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Wil Genovese 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> Scott,
> > >>>
> > >>> You are sadly misinformed.  Nick Bradbury created Homesite and then
> > sold
> > >>> it to Allaire. Later Nick also created Top Style as a stand alone CSS
> > >>> Editor.
> > >>>
> > >>> Homesite was originally developed in Borland Delphi in 1995 by Nick
> > >>> Bradbury. Bradbury wrote HomeSite after using HotDogand being
> > frustrated
> > >>> with it. In March 1997 Allaire Corporation from Cambridge,
> > Massachusetts
> > >>> (founded by brothers Jeremy and J.J. Allaire) acquired HomeSite and
> > Nick
> > >>> Bradbury joined Allaire. After leaving Allaire in 1998, Bradbury went
> > on to
> > >>> work on the CSS/xHTML editor TopStyle and the RSS reader FeedDemon.
> > >>> Macromedia acquired Allaire in 2001 and was in turn acquired by Adobe
> > in
> > >>> 2005.
> > >>>
> > >>> Even Wikipedia has it right
> > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macromedia_HomeSite
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Wil Genovese
> > >>>
> > >>> One man with courage makes a majority.
> > >>> -Andrew Jackson
> > >>>
> > >>> A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
> > >>>
> >  On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Andrew Scott 
> > >>> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >  And it was called Top Style before Allaire bought it and rebranded
> it
> > as
> >  Homesite Studio in 1996.
> > 
> >  Regards,
> >  Andrew Scott
> >  WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> >  Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> > 
> > 
> >  On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Andrew Scott <
> > andr...@andyscott.id.au
> > 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > Sorry that should be 1996 not 1995
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Andrew Scott
> > > WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> > > Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Andrew Scott <
> > >>> andr...@andyscott.id.au>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I don't know about pre dating it, I have been using Studio since
> > 1995,
> > >> when Allaire purchased it. They then decided to release Homesite
> and
> > >>> then
> > >> Homesite+
> > >>
> > >> The only difference between the two, was that Studio had far more
> > >> features. When Studio was discontinued, they then decided to
> release
> > >> homesite+
> > >>
> > >> I still have the Homesite Studio Disc with the copyright of 1994
> on
> > >>> it.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Andrew Scott
> > >> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> > >> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:51 AM, Dave Watts 
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> >  I can never understand why Homesite was 

Re: CF Builder 3

[Michael Grant]

I seem to remember TopStyle being on the CF5 discs along with CF Studio. Or
was it CF 6, which was MX wasn't it? I can't remember. That was ages ago.

What I do remember is that I absolutely loved the RDS features on CF
Studio. I was gutted when I had to stop using CF Studio for lack of
compatibility when I upgraded to a newer version of Windows.

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:46 PM, M.A. Kruger  wrote:

>
> Andrew,
>
> I seem to remember that topstyle shipped "with" cf studio and with
> homesite. how could homesite be a later version of topstyle?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 14, 2015, at 7:16 PM, Andrew Scott 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > And for fuck sake my name is not Scott, but then if you can get that
> wrong
> > you can get your facts wrong about Studio as well.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew Scott
> > WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> > Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Andrew Scott 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Wil,
> >>
> >> I am not sadly misinformed at all.
> >>
> >> Nick Bradley created a product called Top Style, which I used
> extensively
> >> in those days. Allaire then purchased that program from Nick and
> rebadged
> >> it as Homesite, Homesite Studio was the first version which followed by
> the
> >> free version called Homesite. Studio did things that Homesite could not
> do.
> >>
> >> Studio was then let go in favor of making Homesite more powerful, hence
> >> HomeSite+, problem was that the best features of Studio where lost
> forever.
> >>
> >> So how is that misinformed?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Andrew Scott
> >> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> >> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Wil Genovese 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Scott,
> >>>
> >>> You are sadly misinformed.  Nick Bradbury created Homesite and then
> sold
> >>> it to Allaire. Later Nick also created Top Style as a stand alone CSS
> >>> Editor.
> >>>
> >>> Homesite was originally developed in Borland Delphi in 1995 by Nick
> >>> Bradbury. Bradbury wrote HomeSite after using HotDogand being
> frustrated
> >>> with it. In March 1997 Allaire Corporation from Cambridge,
> Massachusetts
> >>> (founded by brothers Jeremy and J.J. Allaire) acquired HomeSite and
> Nick
> >>> Bradbury joined Allaire. After leaving Allaire in 1998, Bradbury went
> on to
> >>> work on the CSS/xHTML editor TopStyle and the RSS reader FeedDemon.
> >>> Macromedia acquired Allaire in 2001 and was in turn acquired by Adobe
> in
> >>> 2005.
> >>>
> >>> Even Wikipedia has it right
> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macromedia_HomeSite
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Wil Genovese
> >>>
> >>> One man with courage makes a majority.
> >>> -Andrew Jackson
> >>>
> >>> A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
> >>>
>  On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Andrew Scott 
> >>> wrote:
> 
> 
>  And it was called Top Style before Allaire bought it and rebranded it
> as
>  Homesite Studio in 1996.
> 
>  Regards,
>  Andrew Scott
>  WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>  Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> 
> 
>  On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Andrew Scott <
> andr...@andyscott.id.au
> 
>  wrote:
> 
> > Sorry that should be 1996 not 1995
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew Scott
> > WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> > Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Andrew Scott <
> >>> andr...@andyscott.id.au>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I don't know about pre dating it, I have been using Studio since
> 1995,
> >> when Allaire purchased it. They then decided to release Homesite and
> >>> then
> >> Homesite+
> >>
> >> The only difference between the two, was that Studio had far more
> >> features. When Studio was discontinued, they then decided to release
> >> homesite+
> >>
> >> I still have the Homesite Studio Disc with the copyright of 1994 on
> >>> it.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Andrew Scott
> >> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> >> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:51 AM, Dave Watts 
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
>  I can never understand why Homesite was so popular, it's bigger
> >>> brother was
>  the better of the two. Which was Studio.
> >>>
> >>> My memory here is a little hazy, as I haven't used either one for a
> >>> long time, but I recall it being a little more complicated than
> that.
> >>>
> >>> As Wil mentioned, Homesite predated CF Studio. Allaire purchased it
> >>> and kept Nick on to make future versions. The next version was CF
> >>> Studio, which was basically Homesite with RDS functionality and
> >>> CF-specific code generato

Re: CF Builder 3

[Andrew Scott]

Ok it appears I have my dates wrong.

Homesite was 1995, ColdFusion studio was 1996 and Homesite+ was 1998. But
it still doesn't excuse the fact that Studio was the better of them all, it
had more features than Homesite put together and Homesite+ when introduced,
did not have everything that Studio had, it may have over time or years
later. But the damage was done and I moved onto another product that would
do that at the time. Dreamweaver was the one that came closest to having
those project like Source control IDE feeling that Homesite/Homesite+
lacked at that time.

Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411


On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Wil Genovese  wrote:

>
> I guess we could just ask Nick  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Bradbury
>
> Who knew he had his own Wikipedia page?
>
>
>
>
> Wil Genovese
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 2015, at 8:52 PM, Andrew Scott 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Because Homesite and Studio where to be its replacement and when Nick
> > wasn't happy with Macromedia he left and continued development on
> Topstyle.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew Scott
> > WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> > Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 1:46 PM, M.A. Kruger 
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Andrew,
> >>
> >> I seem to remember that topstyle shipped "with" cf studio and with
> >> homesite. how could homesite be a later version of topstyle?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jan 14, 2015, at 7:16 PM, Andrew Scott 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> And for fuck sake my name is not Scott, but then if you can get that
> >> wrong
> >>> you can get your facts wrong about Studio as well.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Andrew Scott
> >>> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> >>> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Andrew Scott <
> andr...@andyscott.id.au>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  Wil,
> 
>  I am not sadly misinformed at all.
> 
>  Nick Bradley created a product called Top Style, which I used
> >> extensively
>  in those days. Allaire then purchased that program from Nick and
> >> rebadged
>  it as Homesite, Homesite Studio was the first version which followed
> by
> >> the
>  free version called Homesite. Studio did things that Homesite could
> not
> >> do.
> 
>  Studio was then let go in favor of making Homesite more powerful,
> hence
>  HomeSite+, problem was that the best features of Studio where lost
> >> forever.
> 
>  So how is that misinformed?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Regards,
>  Andrew Scott
>  WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>  Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> 
> 
>  On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Wil Genovese 
>  wrote:
> 
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > You are sadly misinformed.  Nick Bradbury created Homesite and then
> >> sold
> > it to Allaire. Later Nick also created Top Style as a stand alone CSS
> > Editor.
> >
> > Homesite was originally developed in Borland Delphi in 1995 by Nick
> > Bradbury. Bradbury wrote HomeSite after using HotDogand being
> >> frustrated
> > with it. In March 1997 Allaire Corporation from Cambridge,
> >> Massachusetts
> > (founded by brothers Jeremy and J.J. Allaire) acquired HomeSite and
> >> Nick
> > Bradbury joined Allaire. After leaving Allaire in 1998, Bradbury went
> >> on to
> > work on the CSS/xHTML editor TopStyle and the RSS reader FeedDemon.
> > Macromedia acquired Allaire in 2001 and was in turn acquired by Adobe
> >> in
> > 2005.
> >
> > Even Wikipedia has it right
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macromedia_HomeSite
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wil Genovese
> >
> > One man with courage makes a majority.
> > -Andrew Jackson
> >
> > A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
> >
> >> On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Andrew Scott 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> And it was called Top Style before Allaire bought it and rebranded
> it
> >> as
> >> Homesite Studio in 1996.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Andrew Scott
> >> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> >> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Andrew Scott <
> >> andr...@andyscott.id.au
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sorry that should be 1996 not 1995
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Andrew Scott
> >>> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> >>> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Andrew Scott <
> > andr...@andyscott.id.au>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  I don't know about pre dating it, I have been using Studio since
> >> 1995,
>  when Allai

Re: CF Builder 3

[Wil Genovese]

I guess we could just ask Nick  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Bradbury  

Who knew he had his own Wikipedia page?




Wil Genovese


> On Jan 14, 2015, at 8:52 PM, Andrew Scott  wrote:
> 
> 
> Because Homesite and Studio where to be its replacement and when Nick
> wasn't happy with Macromedia he left and continued development on Topstyle.
> 
> Regards,
> Andrew Scott
> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 1:46 PM, M.A. Kruger  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Andrew,
>> 
>> I seem to remember that topstyle shipped "with" cf studio and with
>> homesite. how could homesite be a later version of topstyle?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2015, at 7:16 PM, Andrew Scott 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And for fuck sake my name is not Scott, but then if you can get that
>> wrong
>>> you can get your facts wrong about Studio as well.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Andrew Scott
>>> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>>> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Andrew Scott 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Wil,
 
 I am not sadly misinformed at all.
 
 Nick Bradley created a product called Top Style, which I used
>> extensively
 in those days. Allaire then purchased that program from Nick and
>> rebadged
 it as Homesite, Homesite Studio was the first version which followed by
>> the
 free version called Homesite. Studio did things that Homesite could not
>> do.
 
 Studio was then let go in favor of making Homesite more powerful, hence
 HomeSite+, problem was that the best features of Studio where lost
>> forever.
 
 So how is that misinformed?
 
 
 
 
 
 Regards,
 Andrew Scott
 WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
 Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
 
 
 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Wil Genovese 
 wrote:
 
> 
> Scott,
> 
> You are sadly misinformed.  Nick Bradbury created Homesite and then
>> sold
> it to Allaire. Later Nick also created Top Style as a stand alone CSS
> Editor.
> 
> Homesite was originally developed in Borland Delphi in 1995 by Nick
> Bradbury. Bradbury wrote HomeSite after using HotDogand being
>> frustrated
> with it. In March 1997 Allaire Corporation from Cambridge,
>> Massachusetts
> (founded by brothers Jeremy and J.J. Allaire) acquired HomeSite and
>> Nick
> Bradbury joined Allaire. After leaving Allaire in 1998, Bradbury went
>> on to
> work on the CSS/xHTML editor TopStyle and the RSS reader FeedDemon.
> Macromedia acquired Allaire in 2001 and was in turn acquired by Adobe
>> in
> 2005.
> 
> Even Wikipedia has it right
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macromedia_HomeSite
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Wil Genovese
> 
> One man with courage makes a majority.
> -Andrew Jackson
> 
> A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Andrew Scott 
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> And it was called Top Style before Allaire bought it and rebranded it
>> as
>> Homesite Studio in 1996.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Andrew Scott
>> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Andrew Scott <
>> andr...@andyscott.id.au
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry that should be 1996 not 1995
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Andrew Scott
>>> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>>> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Andrew Scott <
> andr...@andyscott.id.au>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I don't know about pre dating it, I have been using Studio since
>> 1995,
 when Allaire purchased it. They then decided to release Homesite and
> then
 Homesite+
 
 The only difference between the two, was that Studio had far more
 features. When Studio was discontinued, they then decided to release
 homesite+
 
 I still have the Homesite Studio Disc with the copyright of 1994 on
> it.
 
 
 Regards,
 Andrew Scott
 WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
 Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
 
 
 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:51 AM, Dave Watts 
> wrote:
 
> 
>> I can never understand why Homesite was so popular, it's bigger
> brother was
>> the better of the two. Which was Studio.
> 
> My memory here is a little hazy, as I haven't used either one for a
> long time, but I recall it being a little more complicated than
>> that.
> 
> As Wil mentioned, Homesite predated CF Studi

Re: CF Builder 3

[Andrew Scott]

Because Homesite and Studio where to be its replacement and when Nick
wasn't happy with Macromedia he left and continued development on Topstyle.

Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411


On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 1:46 PM, M.A. Kruger  wrote:

>
> Andrew,
>
> I seem to remember that topstyle shipped "with" cf studio and with
> homesite. how could homesite be a later version of topstyle?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 14, 2015, at 7:16 PM, Andrew Scott 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > And for fuck sake my name is not Scott, but then if you can get that
> wrong
> > you can get your facts wrong about Studio as well.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew Scott
> > WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> > Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Andrew Scott 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Wil,
> >>
> >> I am not sadly misinformed at all.
> >>
> >> Nick Bradley created a product called Top Style, which I used
> extensively
> >> in those days. Allaire then purchased that program from Nick and
> rebadged
> >> it as Homesite, Homesite Studio was the first version which followed by
> the
> >> free version called Homesite. Studio did things that Homesite could not
> do.
> >>
> >> Studio was then let go in favor of making Homesite more powerful, hence
> >> HomeSite+, problem was that the best features of Studio where lost
> forever.
> >>
> >> So how is that misinformed?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Andrew Scott
> >> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> >> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Wil Genovese 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Scott,
> >>>
> >>> You are sadly misinformed.  Nick Bradbury created Homesite and then
> sold
> >>> it to Allaire. Later Nick also created Top Style as a stand alone CSS
> >>> Editor.
> >>>
> >>> Homesite was originally developed in Borland Delphi in 1995 by Nick
> >>> Bradbury. Bradbury wrote HomeSite after using HotDogand being
> frustrated
> >>> with it. In March 1997 Allaire Corporation from Cambridge,
> Massachusetts
> >>> (founded by brothers Jeremy and J.J. Allaire) acquired HomeSite and
> Nick
> >>> Bradbury joined Allaire. After leaving Allaire in 1998, Bradbury went
> on to
> >>> work on the CSS/xHTML editor TopStyle and the RSS reader FeedDemon.
> >>> Macromedia acquired Allaire in 2001 and was in turn acquired by Adobe
> in
> >>> 2005.
> >>>
> >>> Even Wikipedia has it right
> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macromedia_HomeSite
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Wil Genovese
> >>>
> >>> One man with courage makes a majority.
> >>> -Andrew Jackson
> >>>
> >>> A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
> >>>
>  On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Andrew Scott 
> >>> wrote:
> 
> 
>  And it was called Top Style before Allaire bought it and rebranded it
> as
>  Homesite Studio in 1996.
> 
>  Regards,
>  Andrew Scott
>  WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>  Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> 
> 
>  On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Andrew Scott <
> andr...@andyscott.id.au
> 
>  wrote:
> 
> > Sorry that should be 1996 not 1995
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew Scott
> > WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> > Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Andrew Scott <
> >>> andr...@andyscott.id.au>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I don't know about pre dating it, I have been using Studio since
> 1995,
> >> when Allaire purchased it. They then decided to release Homesite and
> >>> then
> >> Homesite+
> >>
> >> The only difference between the two, was that Studio had far more
> >> features. When Studio was discontinued, they then decided to release
> >> homesite+
> >>
> >> I still have the Homesite Studio Disc with the copyright of 1994 on
> >>> it.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Andrew Scott
> >> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> >> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:51 AM, Dave Watts 
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
>  I can never understand why Homesite was so popular, it's bigger
> >>> brother was
>  the better of the two. Which was Studio.
> >>>
> >>> My memory here is a little hazy, as I haven't used either one for a
> >>> long time, but I recall it being a little more complicated than
> that.
> >>>
> >>> As Wil mentioned, Homesite predated CF Studio. Allaire purchased it
> >>> and kept Nick on to make future versions. The next version was CF
> >>> Studio, which was basically Homesite with RDS functionality and
> >>> CF-specific code generators and wizards. But after a while, the
> >>> product was renamed Homesite+, and sti

Re: CF Builder 3

[Andrew Scott]

​Dave,

I don't recall what the features where, but I tried to upgrade to Homesite+
and all the features that I came used too, where not in Homesite+ when
Studio was discontinued.

That was when I switched to Dreamweaver, but I can dig up the emails where
I asked Macromedia to include those in the new Homesite+ if you want or
really need it.

Top Style was the reason Allaire bought the product, when he came over to
Allaire they then worked on ColdFusion studio as well as Homesite. I
remember the reps coming into our work place and demoing the new products
for ColdFusion 3.1 and ColdFusion studio was one of those products. I was a
paid user on Top style, so when ColdFusion studio was released it was right
up there.

When Macromedia bought Allaire, they decided Studio was no longer a good
fit and then released Homesite+, with which I still have all the
promotional emails in my archives somewhere. And like I said I still have
the Orignal ColdFusion Studio disc in my collection.











​

Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411


On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Dave Watts  wrote:

>
> > Nick Bradley created a product called Top Style, which I used extensively
> > in those days. Allaire then purchased that program from Nick and rebadged
> > it as Homesite, Homesite Studio was the first version which followed by
> the
> > free version called Homesite. Studio did things that Homesite could not
> do.
> >
> > Studio was then let go in favor of making Homesite more powerful, hence
> > HomeSite+, problem was that the best features of Studio where lost
> forever.
> >
> > So how is that misinformed?
>
> Nick created Homesite long before TopStyle. TopStyle was a CSS editor
> (thus the name, "TopStyle", I guess). After he started with Allaire,
> CF-specific functionality was added to give us CF Studio. Later on, CF
> Studio was rebranded as Homesite+.
>
> I defy you to find one feature in CF Studio that doesn't also exist in
> Homesite+.
>
> But you don't have to trust me, just go to Nick Bradbury's personal
> site (http://nickbradbury.com/), where he describes himself:
>
> "I created HomeSite, TopStyle & FeedDemon for Windows and developed
> the Android version of Glassboard. I'm now a mobile developer at
> Automattic."
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> 1-202-527-9569
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> http://training.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software is a Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small Business
> (SDVOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-
> authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.
>
> 

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Re: CF Builder 3

[M.A. Kruger]

Andrew, 

I seem to remember that topstyle shipped "with" cf studio and with homesite. 
how could homesite be a later version of topstyle?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 14, 2015, at 7:16 PM, Andrew Scott  wrote:
> 
> 
> And for fuck sake my name is not Scott, but then if you can get that wrong
> you can get your facts wrong about Studio as well.
> 
> Regards,
> Andrew Scott
> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Andrew Scott 
> wrote:
> 
>> Wil,
>> 
>> I am not sadly misinformed at all.
>> 
>> Nick Bradley created a product called Top Style, which I used extensively
>> in those days. Allaire then purchased that program from Nick and rebadged
>> it as Homesite, Homesite Studio was the first version which followed by the
>> free version called Homesite. Studio did things that Homesite could not do.
>> 
>> Studio was then let go in favor of making Homesite more powerful, hence
>> HomeSite+, problem was that the best features of Studio where lost forever.
>> 
>> So how is that misinformed?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Andrew Scott
>> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Wil Genovese 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> You are sadly misinformed.  Nick Bradbury created Homesite and then sold
>>> it to Allaire. Later Nick also created Top Style as a stand alone CSS
>>> Editor.
>>> 
>>> Homesite was originally developed in Borland Delphi in 1995 by Nick
>>> Bradbury. Bradbury wrote HomeSite after using HotDogand being frustrated
>>> with it. In March 1997 Allaire Corporation from Cambridge, Massachusetts
>>> (founded by brothers Jeremy and J.J. Allaire) acquired HomeSite and Nick
>>> Bradbury joined Allaire. After leaving Allaire in 1998, Bradbury went on to
>>> work on the CSS/xHTML editor TopStyle and the RSS reader FeedDemon.
>>> Macromedia acquired Allaire in 2001 and was in turn acquired by Adobe in
>>> 2005.
>>> 
>>> Even Wikipedia has it right
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macromedia_HomeSite
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Wil Genovese
>>> 
>>> One man with courage makes a majority.
>>> -Andrew Jackson
>>> 
>>> A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
>>> 
 On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Andrew Scott 
>>> wrote:
 
 
 And it was called Top Style before Allaire bought it and rebranded it as
 Homesite Studio in 1996.
 
 Regards,
 Andrew Scott
 WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
 Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
 
 
 On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Andrew Scott >>> 
 wrote:
 
> Sorry that should be 1996 not 1995
> 
> Regards,
> Andrew Scott
> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Andrew Scott <
>>> andr...@andyscott.id.au>
> wrote:
> 
>> I don't know about pre dating it, I have been using Studio since 1995,
>> when Allaire purchased it. They then decided to release Homesite and
>>> then
>> Homesite+
>> 
>> The only difference between the two, was that Studio had far more
>> features. When Studio was discontinued, they then decided to release
>> homesite+
>> 
>> I still have the Homesite Studio Disc with the copyright of 1994 on
>>> it.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Andrew Scott
>> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:51 AM, Dave Watts 
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
 I can never understand why Homesite was so popular, it's bigger
>>> brother was
 the better of the two. Which was Studio.
>>> 
>>> My memory here is a little hazy, as I haven't used either one for a
>>> long time, but I recall it being a little more complicated than that.
>>> 
>>> As Wil mentioned, Homesite predated CF Studio. Allaire purchased it
>>> and kept Nick on to make future versions. The next version was CF
>>> Studio, which was basically Homesite with RDS functionality and
>>> CF-specific code generators and wizards. But after a while, the
>>> product was renamed Homesite+, and still had the RDS functionality
>>> and
>>> CF-specific stuff. So for me at least, I think of all three as
>>> "Homesite", because they're all basically the same thing. Homesite+
>>> was the final version released by Macromedia, and I think it was
>>> still
>>> supported for a while after the Adobe acquisition.
>>> https://www.adobe.com/support/homesite/releasenotes/plus/releasenotes_plus.html
>>> 
>>> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>>> 1-202-527-9569
>>> http://www.figleaf.com/
>>> http://training.figleaf.com/
>>> 
>>> Fig Leaf Software is a Service-Disable

Re: CF Builder 3

[Dave Watts]

> hotdog? homesite? geez, kids today don't know how lucky they got it.
>
> hands up if you remember the 1st commercial windows webserver (hint it wasn't 
> IIS)?

In fairness, Bob Denny's WebSite Pro was around about the same time -
in fact, there was some sort of bundling available with it and CF from
O'Reilly - so if you remember HotDog and Homesite you probably
remember it too. I still have my WebSite Pro books - they were really
well written!

My first web site used WebSite Pro on NT 3.51, and CGI code written in
... Visual Basic. Good times!

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1-202-527-9569
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http://training.figleaf.com/

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Re: CF Builder 3

[Paul Hastings]

On 1/15/2015 8:24 AM, Dave Watts wrote:
> I know about it, because I used Homesite before Allaire bought it. I
> switched from HotDog to Homesite before Allaire got involved. After

hotdog? homesite? geez, kids today don't know how lucky they got it.

hands up if you remember the 1st commercial windows webserver (hint it wasn't 
IIS)?

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Re: CF Builder 3

[Dave Watts]

> Nick Bradley created a product called Top Style, which I used extensively
> in those days. Allaire then purchased that program from Nick and rebadged
> it as Homesite, Homesite Studio was the first version which followed by the
> free version called Homesite. Studio did things that Homesite could not do.
>
> Studio was then let go in favor of making Homesite more powerful, hence
> HomeSite+, problem was that the best features of Studio where lost forever.
>
> So how is that misinformed?

Nick created Homesite long before TopStyle. TopStyle was a CSS editor
(thus the name, "TopStyle", I guess). After he started with Allaire,
CF-specific functionality was added to give us CF Studio. Later on, CF
Studio was rebranded as Homesite+.

I defy you to find one feature in CF Studio that doesn't also exist in
Homesite+.

But you don't have to trust me, just go to Nick Bradbury's personal
site (http://nickbradbury.com/), where he describes himself:

"I created HomeSite, TopStyle & FeedDemon for Windows and developed
the Android version of Glassboard. I'm now a mobile developer at
Automattic."

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
1-202-527-9569
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

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(SDVOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-
authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.

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Re: CF Builder 3

[Dave Watts]

> I don't know about pre dating it, I have been using Studio since 1995, when
> Allaire purchased it. They then decided to release Homesite and then
> Homesite+

I know about it, because I used Homesite before Allaire bought it. I
switched from HotDog to Homesite before Allaire got involved. After
Allaire purchased Homesite, I'm not entirely sure whether they
continued to offer Homesite along with CF Studio, but I think they may
have. After the Macromedia acquisition, around the timeframe of the CF
6 release if I recall correctly, they dropped CF Studio in favor of
Homesite+ - which again was the same thing as CF Studio had been (RDS,
CF wizards, etc).

The Homesite product line (Homesite, CF Studio, Homesite+) were
written in Delphi, and I think no one at Macromedia really wanted to
support that once Nick Bradbury left.

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Re: CF Builder 3

[Andrew Scott]

And for fuck sake my name is not Scott, but then if you can get that wrong
you can get your facts wrong about Studio as well.

Regards,
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On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Andrew Scott 
wrote:

> Wil,
>
> I am not sadly misinformed at all.
>
> Nick Bradley created a product called Top Style, which I used extensively
> in those days. Allaire then purchased that program from Nick and rebadged
> it as Homesite, Homesite Studio was the first version which followed by the
> free version called Homesite. Studio did things that Homesite could not do.
>
> Studio was then let go in favor of making Homesite more powerful, hence
> HomeSite+, problem was that the best features of Studio where lost forever.
>
> So how is that misinformed?
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Andrew Scott
> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Wil Genovese 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> You are sadly misinformed.  Nick Bradbury created Homesite and then sold
>> it to Allaire. Later Nick also created Top Style as a stand alone CSS
>> Editor.
>>
>> Homesite was originally developed in Borland Delphi in 1995 by Nick
>> Bradbury. Bradbury wrote HomeSite after using HotDogand being frustrated
>> with it. In March 1997 Allaire Corporation from Cambridge, Massachusetts
>> (founded by brothers Jeremy and J.J. Allaire) acquired HomeSite and Nick
>> Bradbury joined Allaire. After leaving Allaire in 1998, Bradbury went on to
>> work on the CSS/xHTML editor TopStyle and the RSS reader FeedDemon.
>> Macromedia acquired Allaire in 2001 and was in turn acquired by Adobe in
>> 2005.
>>
>> Even Wikipedia has it right
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macromedia_HomeSite
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Wil Genovese
>>
>> One man with courage makes a majority.
>> -Andrew Jackson
>>
>> A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
>>
>> > On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Andrew Scott 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > And it was called Top Style before Allaire bought it and rebranded it as
>> > Homesite Studio in 1996.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Andrew Scott
>> > WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>> > Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Andrew Scott > >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Sorry that should be 1996 not 1995
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Andrew Scott
>> >> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>> >> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Andrew Scott <
>> andr...@andyscott.id.au>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I don't know about pre dating it, I have been using Studio since 1995,
>> >>> when Allaire purchased it. They then decided to release Homesite and
>> then
>> >>> Homesite+
>> >>>
>> >>> The only difference between the two, was that Studio had far more
>> >>> features. When Studio was discontinued, they then decided to release
>> >>> homesite+
>> >>>
>> >>> I still have the Homesite Studio Disc with the copyright of 1994 on
>> it.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>> Andrew Scott
>> >>> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>> >>> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:51 AM, Dave Watts 
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> 
>> > I can never understand why Homesite was so popular, it's bigger
>>  brother was
>> > the better of the two. Which was Studio.
>> 
>>  My memory here is a little hazy, as I haven't used either one for a
>>  long time, but I recall it being a little more complicated than that.
>> 
>>  As Wil mentioned, Homesite predated CF Studio. Allaire purchased it
>>  and kept Nick on to make future versions. The next version was CF
>>  Studio, which was basically Homesite with RDS functionality and
>>  CF-specific code generators and wizards. But after a while, the
>>  product was renamed Homesite+, and still had the RDS functionality
>> and
>>  CF-specific stuff. So for me at least, I think of all three as
>>  "Homesite", because they're all basically the same thing. Homesite+
>>  was the final version released by Macromedia, and I think it was
>> still
>>  supported for a while after the Adobe acquisition.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.adobe.com/support/homesite/releasenotes/plus/releasenotes_plus.html
>> 
>>  Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>>  1-202-527-9569
>>  http://www.figleaf.com/
>>  http://training.figleaf.com/
>> 
>>  Fig Leaf Software is a Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small Business
>>  (SDVOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-
>>  authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.
>> 
>> 
>> >
>> >
>>
>> 

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Re: CF Builder 3

[Andrew Scott]

Wil,

I am not sadly misinformed at all.

Nick Bradley created a product called Top Style, which I used extensively
in those days. Allaire then purchased that program from Nick and rebadged
it as Homesite, Homesite Studio was the first version which followed by the
free version called Homesite. Studio did things that Homesite could not do.

Studio was then let go in favor of making Homesite more powerful, hence
HomeSite+, problem was that the best features of Studio where lost forever.

So how is that misinformed?





Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411


On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Wil Genovese  wrote:

>
> Scott,
>
> You are sadly misinformed.  Nick Bradbury created Homesite and then sold
> it to Allaire. Later Nick also created Top Style as a stand alone CSS
> Editor.
>
> Homesite was originally developed in Borland Delphi in 1995 by Nick
> Bradbury. Bradbury wrote HomeSite after using HotDogand being frustrated
> with it. In March 1997 Allaire Corporation from Cambridge, Massachusetts
> (founded by brothers Jeremy and J.J. Allaire) acquired HomeSite and Nick
> Bradbury joined Allaire. After leaving Allaire in 1998, Bradbury went on to
> work on the CSS/xHTML editor TopStyle and the RSS reader FeedDemon.
> Macromedia acquired Allaire in 2001 and was in turn acquired by Adobe in
> 2005.
>
> Even Wikipedia has it right
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macromedia_HomeSite
>
>
>
>
> Wil Genovese
>
> One man with courage makes a majority.
> -Andrew Jackson
>
> A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
>
> > On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Andrew Scott 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > And it was called Top Style before Allaire bought it and rebranded it as
> > Homesite Studio in 1996.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew Scott
> > WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> > Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Andrew Scott 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Sorry that should be 1996 not 1995
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Andrew Scott
> >> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> >> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Andrew Scott  >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I don't know about pre dating it, I have been using Studio since 1995,
> >>> when Allaire purchased it. They then decided to release Homesite and
> then
> >>> Homesite+
> >>>
> >>> The only difference between the two, was that Studio had far more
> >>> features. When Studio was discontinued, they then decided to release
> >>> homesite+
> >>>
> >>> I still have the Homesite Studio Disc with the copyright of 1994 on it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Andrew Scott
> >>> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> >>> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:51 AM, Dave Watts 
> wrote:
> >>>
> 
> > I can never understand why Homesite was so popular, it's bigger
>  brother was
> > the better of the two. Which was Studio.
> 
>  My memory here is a little hazy, as I haven't used either one for a
>  long time, but I recall it being a little more complicated than that.
> 
>  As Wil mentioned, Homesite predated CF Studio. Allaire purchased it
>  and kept Nick on to make future versions. The next version was CF
>  Studio, which was basically Homesite with RDS functionality and
>  CF-specific code generators and wizards. But after a while, the
>  product was renamed Homesite+, and still had the RDS functionality and
>  CF-specific stuff. So for me at least, I think of all three as
>  "Homesite", because they're all basically the same thing. Homesite+
>  was the final version released by Macromedia, and I think it was still
>  supported for a while after the Adobe acquisition.
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.adobe.com/support/homesite/releasenotes/plus/releasenotes_plus.html
> 
>  Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>  1-202-527-9569
>  http://www.figleaf.com/
>  http://training.figleaf.com/
> 
>  Fig Leaf Software is a Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small Business
>  (SDVOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-
>  authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.
> 
> 
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: CF Builder 3

[Wil Genovese]

Scott,

You are sadly misinformed.  Nick Bradbury created Homesite and then sold it to 
Allaire. Later Nick also created Top Style as a stand alone CSS Editor.  

Homesite was originally developed in Borland Delphi in 1995 by Nick Bradbury. 
Bradbury wrote HomeSite after using HotDogand being frustrated with it. In 
March 1997 Allaire Corporation from Cambridge, Massachusetts (founded by 
brothers Jeremy and J.J. Allaire) acquired HomeSite and Nick Bradbury joined 
Allaire. After leaving Allaire in 1998, Bradbury went on to work on the 
CSS/xHTML editor TopStyle and the RSS reader FeedDemon. Macromedia acquired 
Allaire in 2001 and was in turn acquired by Adobe in 2005.

Even Wikipedia has it right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macromedia_HomeSite




Wil Genovese

One man with courage makes a majority.
-Andrew Jackson

A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. 

> On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Andrew Scott  wrote:
> 
> 
> And it was called Top Style before Allaire bought it and rebranded it as
> Homesite Studio in 1996.
> 
> Regards,
> Andrew Scott
> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Andrew Scott 
> wrote:
> 
>> Sorry that should be 1996 not 1995
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Andrew Scott
>> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Andrew Scott 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't know about pre dating it, I have been using Studio since 1995,
>>> when Allaire purchased it. They then decided to release Homesite and then
>>> Homesite+
>>> 
>>> The only difference between the two, was that Studio had far more
>>> features. When Studio was discontinued, they then decided to release
>>> homesite+
>>> 
>>> I still have the Homesite Studio Disc with the copyright of 1994 on it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Andrew Scott
>>> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>>> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:51 AM, Dave Watts  wrote:
>>> 
 
> I can never understand why Homesite was so popular, it's bigger
 brother was
> the better of the two. Which was Studio.
 
 My memory here is a little hazy, as I haven't used either one for a
 long time, but I recall it being a little more complicated than that.
 
 As Wil mentioned, Homesite predated CF Studio. Allaire purchased it
 and kept Nick on to make future versions. The next version was CF
 Studio, which was basically Homesite with RDS functionality and
 CF-specific code generators and wizards. But after a while, the
 product was renamed Homesite+, and still had the RDS functionality and
 CF-specific stuff. So for me at least, I think of all three as
 "Homesite", because they're all basically the same thing. Homesite+
 was the final version released by Macromedia, and I think it was still
 supported for a while after the Adobe acquisition.
 
 
 https://www.adobe.com/support/homesite/releasenotes/plus/releasenotes_plus.html
 
 Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
 1-202-527-9569
 http://www.figleaf.com/
 http://training.figleaf.com/
 
 Fig Leaf Software is a Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small Business
 (SDVOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-
 authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.
 
 
> 
> 

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Re: CF Builder 3

[Andrew Scott]

And it was called Top Style before Allaire bought it and rebranded it as
Homesite Studio in 1996.

Regards,
Andrew Scott
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On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Andrew Scott 
wrote:

> Sorry that should be 1996 not 1995
>
> Regards,
> Andrew Scott
> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Andrew Scott 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't know about pre dating it, I have been using Studio since 1995,
>> when Allaire purchased it. They then decided to release Homesite and then
>> Homesite+
>>
>> The only difference between the two, was that Studio had far more
>> features. When Studio was discontinued, they then decided to release
>> homesite+
>>
>> I still have the Homesite Studio Disc with the copyright of 1994 on it.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrew Scott
>> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:51 AM, Dave Watts  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> > I can never understand why Homesite was so popular, it's bigger
>>> brother was
>>> > the better of the two. Which was Studio.
>>>
>>> My memory here is a little hazy, as I haven't used either one for a
>>> long time, but I recall it being a little more complicated than that.
>>>
>>> As Wil mentioned, Homesite predated CF Studio. Allaire purchased it
>>> and kept Nick on to make future versions. The next version was CF
>>> Studio, which was basically Homesite with RDS functionality and
>>> CF-specific code generators and wizards. But after a while, the
>>> product was renamed Homesite+, and still had the RDS functionality and
>>> CF-specific stuff. So for me at least, I think of all three as
>>> "Homesite", because they're all basically the same thing. Homesite+
>>> was the final version released by Macromedia, and I think it was still
>>> supported for a while after the Adobe acquisition.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.adobe.com/support/homesite/releasenotes/plus/releasenotes_plus.html
>>>
>>> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>>> 1-202-527-9569
>>> http://www.figleaf.com/
>>> http://training.figleaf.com/
>>>
>>> Fig Leaf Software is a Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small Business
>>> (SDVOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-
>>> authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.
>>>
>>> 

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Re: CF Builder 3

[Andrew Scott]

Sorry that should be 1996 not 1995

Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411


On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Andrew Scott 
wrote:

> I don't know about pre dating it, I have been using Studio since 1995,
> when Allaire purchased it. They then decided to release Homesite and then
> Homesite+
>
> The only difference between the two, was that Studio had far more
> features. When Studio was discontinued, they then decided to release
> homesite+
>
> I still have the Homesite Studio Disc with the copyright of 1994 on it.
>
>
> Regards,
> Andrew Scott
> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:51 AM, Dave Watts  wrote:
>
>>
>> > I can never understand why Homesite was so popular, it's bigger brother
>> was
>> > the better of the two. Which was Studio.
>>
>> My memory here is a little hazy, as I haven't used either one for a
>> long time, but I recall it being a little more complicated than that.
>>
>> As Wil mentioned, Homesite predated CF Studio. Allaire purchased it
>> and kept Nick on to make future versions. The next version was CF
>> Studio, which was basically Homesite with RDS functionality and
>> CF-specific code generators and wizards. But after a while, the
>> product was renamed Homesite+, and still had the RDS functionality and
>> CF-specific stuff. So for me at least, I think of all three as
>> "Homesite", because they're all basically the same thing. Homesite+
>> was the final version released by Macromedia, and I think it was still
>> supported for a while after the Adobe acquisition.
>>
>>
>> https://www.adobe.com/support/homesite/releasenotes/plus/releasenotes_plus.html
>>
>> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>> 1-202-527-9569
>> http://www.figleaf.com/
>> http://training.figleaf.com/
>>
>> Fig Leaf Software is a Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small Business
>> (SDVOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-
>> authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.
>>
>> 

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Re: CF Builder 3

[Andrew Scott]

I don't know about pre dating it, I have been using Studio since 1995, when
Allaire purchased it. They then decided to release Homesite and then
Homesite+

The only difference between the two, was that Studio had far more features.
When Studio was discontinued, they then decided to release homesite+

I still have the Homesite Studio Disc with the copyright of 1994 on it.


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On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:51 AM, Dave Watts  wrote:

>
> > I can never understand why Homesite was so popular, it's bigger brother
> was
> > the better of the two. Which was Studio.
>
> My memory here is a little hazy, as I haven't used either one for a
> long time, but I recall it being a little more complicated than that.
>
> As Wil mentioned, Homesite predated CF Studio. Allaire purchased it
> and kept Nick on to make future versions. The next version was CF
> Studio, which was basically Homesite with RDS functionality and
> CF-specific code generators and wizards. But after a while, the
> product was renamed Homesite+, and still had the RDS functionality and
> CF-specific stuff. So for me at least, I think of all three as
> "Homesite", because they're all basically the same thing. Homesite+
> was the final version released by Macromedia, and I think it was still
> supported for a while after the Adobe acquisition.
>
>
> https://www.adobe.com/support/homesite/releasenotes/plus/releasenotes_plus.html
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> 1-202-527-9569
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> http://training.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software is a Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small Business
> (SDVOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-
> authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.
>
> 

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Re: CF Builder 3

[Dave Watts]

> I can never understand why Homesite was so popular, it's bigger brother was
> the better of the two. Which was Studio.

My memory here is a little hazy, as I haven't used either one for a
long time, but I recall it being a little more complicated than that.

As Wil mentioned, Homesite predated CF Studio. Allaire purchased it
and kept Nick on to make future versions. The next version was CF
Studio, which was basically Homesite with RDS functionality and
CF-specific code generators and wizards. But after a while, the
product was renamed Homesite+, and still had the RDS functionality and
CF-specific stuff. So for me at least, I think of all three as
"Homesite", because they're all basically the same thing. Homesite+
was the final version released by Macromedia, and I think it was still
supported for a while after the Adobe acquisition.

https://www.adobe.com/support/homesite/releasenotes/plus/releasenotes_plus.html

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
1-202-527-9569
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

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Re: CF Builder 3

[Wil Genovese]

Starting way back in 1996 Homesite was the popular HTML editor BEFORE Allaire 
bought it from Nick Bradbury. It was in heavy competition with HotDog HTML 
Editor. Allaire made a deal with Nick and brought Homesite and him to Allaire. 
Then they made the CFStudio variant of Homesite. So Homesite had a huge 
following before Studio even existed.





Wil Genovese

One man with courage makes a majority.
-Andrew Jackson

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> On Jan 14, 2015, at 8:38 AM, Russ Michaels  wrote:
> 
> 
> because it was FREE and used to come on CD with Dreamweaver and CF I believe
> 
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 4:11 AM, Andrew Scott 
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I can never understand why Homesite was so popular, it's bigger brother was
>> the better of the two. Which was Studio. But as it is old and ancient and
>> not being updated any more, feel free to use 20 year old software.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Andrew Scott
>> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Rob Voyle  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Aaron
>>> 
>>> After much frustration I found that you need to select "wrap search" in
>> the
>>> options box for the find to work.
>>> 
>>> Still prefer homesite for project wide find and replace when upgrading an
>>> entire
>>> site.
>>> 
>>> Rob
>>> Robert J. Voyle, Psy.D.
>>> Director, Clergy Leadership Institute
>>> For Coaching and Training in Appreciative Inquiry
>>> Author: Restoring Hope: Appreciative Strategies
>>>to Resolve Grief and Resentment
>>> http://www.appreciativeway.com/
>>> 503-647-2378 or 503-647-2382
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 13 Jan 2015 at 15:21, Aaron Rouse wrote:
>>> 
 
 I have had horrible luck with the CFBuilder Find.  Just as one
 short
 example, last quarter I was asked to find some emails in a big
 project that
 the support person no longer was available for.  My workstation at
 home has
 CFBuilder on it and it could not find one CFMail tag(or just the
 text
 cfmail) in there.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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Re: CF Builder 3

[Rob Voyle]

I had problems with studio on win 7 freezing when doing extended 
search/replace which was what I continued to use homesite for.
Rob 

On 15 Jan 2015 at 2:57, Andrew Scott wrote:

> 
> So was Studio as it was shipped with ColdFusion 5.
> 



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Re: CF Builder 3

[Andrew Scott]

So was Studio as it was shipped with ColdFusion 5.

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On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 1:38 AM, Russ Michaels  wrote:

>
> because it was FREE and used to come on CD with Dreamweaver and CF I
> believe
>
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 4:11 AM, Andrew Scott 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I can never understand why Homesite was so popular, it's bigger brother
> was
> > the better of the two. Which was Studio. But as it is old and ancient and
> > not being updated any more, feel free to use 20 year old software.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew Scott
> > WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> > Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Rob Voyle  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Aaron
> > >
> > > After much frustration I found that you need to select "wrap search" in
> > the
> > > options box for the find to work.
> > >
> > > Still prefer homesite for project wide find and replace when upgrading
> an
> > > entire
> > > site.
> > >
> > > Rob
> > > Robert J. Voyle, Psy.D.
> > > Director, Clergy Leadership Institute
> > > For Coaching and Training in Appreciative Inquiry
> > > Author: Restoring Hope: Appreciative Strategies
> > > to Resolve Grief and Resentment
> > > http://www.appreciativeway.com/
> > > 503-647-2378 or 503-647-2382
> > >
> > >
> > > On 13 Jan 2015 at 15:21, Aaron Rouse wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I have had horrible luck with the CFBuilder Find.  Just as one
> > > > short
> > > > example, last quarter I was asked to find some emails in a big
> > > > project that
> > > > the support person no longer was available for.  My workstation at
> > > > home has
> > > > CFBuilder on it and it could not find one CFMail tag(or just the
> > > > text
> > > > cfmail) in there.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: CF Builder 3

[Russ Michaels]

because it was FREE and used to come on CD with Dreamweaver and CF I believe

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 4:11 AM, Andrew Scott 
wrote:

>
> I can never understand why Homesite was so popular, it's bigger brother was
> the better of the two. Which was Studio. But as it is old and ancient and
> not being updated any more, feel free to use 20 year old software.
>
> Regards,
> Andrew Scott
> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Rob Voyle  wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Aaron
> >
> > After much frustration I found that you need to select "wrap search" in
> the
> > options box for the find to work.
> >
> > Still prefer homesite for project wide find and replace when upgrading an
> > entire
> > site.
> >
> > Rob
> > Robert J. Voyle, Psy.D.
> > Director, Clergy Leadership Institute
> > For Coaching and Training in Appreciative Inquiry
> > Author: Restoring Hope: Appreciative Strategies
> > to Resolve Grief and Resentment
> > http://www.appreciativeway.com/
> > 503-647-2378 or 503-647-2382
> >
> >
> > On 13 Jan 2015 at 15:21, Aaron Rouse wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I have had horrible luck with the CFBuilder Find.  Just as one
> > > short
> > > example, last quarter I was asked to find some emails in a big
> > > project that
> > > the support person no longer was available for.  My workstation at
> > > home has
> > > CFBuilder on it and it could not find one CFMail tag(or just the
> > > text
> > > cfmail) in there.
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: CF Builder 3

[Andrew Scott]

I can never understand why Homesite was so popular, it's bigger brother was
the better of the two. Which was Studio. But as it is old and ancient and
not being updated any more, feel free to use 20 year old software.

Regards,
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On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Rob Voyle  wrote:

>
> Hi Aaron
>
> After much frustration I found that you need to select "wrap search" in the
> options box for the find to work.
>
> Still prefer homesite for project wide find and replace when upgrading an
> entire
> site.
>
> Rob
> Robert J. Voyle, Psy.D.
> Director, Clergy Leadership Institute
> For Coaching and Training in Appreciative Inquiry
> Author: Restoring Hope: Appreciative Strategies
> to Resolve Grief and Resentment
> http://www.appreciativeway.com/
> 503-647-2378 or 503-647-2382
>
>
> On 13 Jan 2015 at 15:21, Aaron Rouse wrote:
>
> >
> > I have had horrible luck with the CFBuilder Find.  Just as one
> > short
> > example, last quarter I was asked to find some emails in a big
> > project that
> > the support person no longer was available for.  My workstation at
> > home has
> > CFBuilder on it and it could not find one CFMail tag(or just the
> > text
> > cfmail) in there.
>
>
> 

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Re: CF Builder 3

[Andrew Scott]

Prior to CFB 3.0, yes if you used the Aptana search it had issues. The idea
is to use the search from Eclipse itself.

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On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Aaron Rouse  wrote:

>
> I have had horrible luck with the CFBuilder Find.  Just as one short
> example, last quarter I was asked to find some emails in a big project that
> the support person no longer was available for.  My workstation at home has
> CFBuilder on it and it could not find one CFMail tag(or just the text
> cfmail) in there.  I am not on that machine right now so can't say the
> exact wording for the Finds I tried but I know it was both the Adobe and
> Eclipse ones.  As I recall I used Homesite+ since found a copy in my desk
> and installed it.  I am on my laptop right now which has DW CS5 installed
> and I just checked, it finds 
> Inconsistent and incorrect finding across projects with CF Builder has been
> the one thorn in my side that prevents me from relying on using it daily as
> a primary IDE.  For whatever reasons it seems I quite often need to find
> things across projects. Actually rather disappointing because I bought CFB
> for that workstation since my copies of DW would not install in 64-bit
> Windows 8 and figured it would force me to learn/use CFB.  I still randomly
> use it when at home and need to make a quick edit but just do not use it as
> my primary or actually ever during the day.
>
> --
> Aaron
>
> On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Andrew Scott 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 4:23 AM, Rob Voyle  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Steve
> > > I use cfbuilder 3 on my local development of applications (Win 7
> > machine).
> > > Having migrated from using Homesite (which I still use for its ease of
> > > extended
> > > find/replace across entire web projects)
> > >
> > >
> > ​The find/replace is very simple in Builder, in fact I would go as far as
> > to say its better than Homesite/Studio (which was way better than
> > Homesite)​
> >
> >
>
>
> 

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Re: CF Builder 3

[Rob Voyle]

Hi Aaron

After much frustration I found that you need to select "wrap search" in the 
options box for the find to work.

Still prefer homesite for project wide find and replace when upgrading an 
entire 
site.

Rob
Robert J. Voyle, Psy.D.
Director, Clergy Leadership Institute
For Coaching and Training in Appreciative Inquiry
Author: Restoring Hope: Appreciative Strategies
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503-647-2378 or 503-647-2382


On 13 Jan 2015 at 15:21, Aaron Rouse wrote:

> 
> I have had horrible luck with the CFBuilder Find.  Just as one
> short
> example, last quarter I was asked to find some emails in a big
> project that
> the support person no longer was available for.  My workstation at
> home has
> CFBuilder on it and it could not find one CFMail tag(or just the
> text
> cfmail) in there.  


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Re: CF Builder 3

[Aaron Rouse]

I have had horrible luck with the CFBuilder Find.  Just as one short
example, last quarter I was asked to find some emails in a big project that
the support person no longer was available for.  My workstation at home has
CFBuilder on it and it could not find one CFMail tag(or just the text
cfmail) in there.  I am not on that machine right now so can't say the
exact wording for the Finds I tried but I know it was both the Adobe and
Eclipse ones.  As I recall I used Homesite+ since found a copy in my desk
and installed it.  I am on my laptop right now which has DW CS5 installed
and I just checked, it finds 
wrote:

>
> On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 4:23 AM, Rob Voyle  wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Steve
> > I use cfbuilder 3 on my local development of applications (Win 7
> machine).
> > Having migrated from using Homesite (which I still use for its ease of
> > extended
> > find/replace across entire web projects)
> >
> >
> ​The find/replace is very simple in Builder, in fact I would go as far as
> to say its better than Homesite/Studio (which was way better than
> Homesite)​
>
>


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Re: CF Builder 3-2

[Rob Voyle]

Hi Steve
As I recall it was only on things like cffile or cfcontent where I was 
manipulating 
file names. cfinclude was not impacted. Unfortunately I had got a bit lazy in 
my 
code having moved from a unix platform to windows about 8 years ago.
Rob
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On 10 Jan 2015 at 21:35, Steve LaBadie wrote:

> 
> Thanks Ron i didn't know that cf11 could be case sensitive.
> 
> 



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Re: CF Builder 3

[Andrew Scott]

On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 4:23 AM, Rob Voyle  wrote:

>
> Hi Steve
> I use cfbuilder 3 on my local development of applications (Win 7 machine).
> Having migrated from using Homesite (which I still use for its ease of
> extended
> find/replace across entire web projects)
>
>
​The find/replace is very simple in Builder, in fact I would go as far as
to say its better than Homesite/Studio (which was way better than Homesite)​



> While you can select a range of editor preferences color coding etc. You
> will have
> varying and frustrating results with many preferences not sticking after
> you close
> and reopen the program.
>
>
​Can't say I have this problem, I have custom colors/fonts etc., with no
issues what so ever.​



> The syntax error reporting and color coding is insanely erroneous and
> unhelpful.
>
>
​This is an Eclipse feature that CF Builder leverages off, this really
needs better work and customization options.​



> Many of these bugs have had multiple bug reports made at Adobe but nothing
> has been done
>
> The built in FTP is so complex to setup, I gave up and went back to an
> external
> FileZilla program.
>
>
​Actually it is not that complicated to set up at all, not sure why you
think that.​ But personally, I use Scooter's Beyond Compare. When pushing
changes on a daily basis with many other changes not approved. One really
needs a better sync program to do that. Relying on just using FTP can be a
asking for trouble, especially if you have many changes and some should not
be pushed.



> For a relative beginner to the deeper complexity and power of CF (despite
> having
> used it for many years) I found it very difficult to find the settings
> that control
> many of the preferences. Seemed like I am using "confusion builder" rather
> than
> "coldfusion builder"
>
>
​That is an issue with Eclipse and not ColdFusion Builder, but it can be
very powerful IDE if used right and Adobe get their act together and make
it that way.​

​

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RE: CF Builder 3-2

[Steve LaBadie]

Thanks Ron i didn't know that cf11 could be case sensitive.


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 Original message 
From: Rob Voyle
Date:01/10/2015 12:30 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF Builder 3-2


Hi Steve

One other thing if you are using a windows platform.
CF11 is now built on Tomcat. Not much of a problem EXCEPT that some (but not
all) file names will be case sensitive in some applications. Wasted a day on 
that
one trying to debug an application that had worked fine on CF9.

Rob

On 6 Jan 2015 at 18:18, Steve LaBadie wrote:

>
> We just purchased CF 11 and we also received a license for Builder
> 3. I don't know anything about the product and wanted to know if it
> something that should be installed. Does it get installed on the
> server or desktop?





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Re: CF Builder 3

[Russ Michaels]

I have tried out a few editors and stuck with sublime as my general all
round text editor. But the tag/function insight and completion for cfml is
not complete and unless you know every attribute of every tag and function
then you have to resort to docs.
I have to say I still have a preference for Dreamweaver, it still does a
good job even in the code editor.


On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 17:52 PM, John M Bliss  wrote:


I'll add: while you're checking stuff out, be sure to check out:
http://brackets.io  Has a CFML extension, is super-fast & lightweight, has
great find-and-replace, and has amazing front-end dev tools.

On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Rob Voyle > wrote:

>
> Hi Steve
> I use cfbuilder 3 on my local development of applications (Win 7 machine).
> Having migrated from using Homesite (which I still use for its ease of
> extended
> find/replace across entire web projects)
>
> I am not very impressed with cfbuilder. It could be very useful and has
> some
> promise but I would not pay money for it again, and if you already have a
> template editor you like don't waste your time trying to get a free
version
> working.
>
> While you can select a range of editor preferences color coding etc. You
> will have
> varying and frustrating results with many preferences not sticking after
> you close
> and reopen the program.
>
> The syntax error reporting and color coding is insanely erroneous and
> unhelpful.
>
> Many of these bugs have had multiple bug reports made at Adobe but nothing
> has been done
>
> The built in FTP is so complex to setup, I gave up and went back to an
> external
> FileZilla program.
>
> For a relative beginner to the deeper complexity and power of CF (despite
> having
> used it for many years) I found it very difficult to find the settings
> that control
> many of the preferences. Seemed like I am using "confusion builder" rather
> than
> "coldfusion builder"
>
> Rob
> Robert J. Voyle, Psy.D.
> Director, Clergy Leadership Institute
> For Coaching and Training in Appreciative Inquiry
> Author: Restoring Hope: Appreciative Strategies
> to Resolve Grief and Resentment
> http://www.appreciativeway.com/
> 503-647-2378 or 503-647-2382
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6 Jan 2015 at 18:18, Steve LaBadie wrote:
>
> >
> > We just purchased CF 11 and we also received a license for Builder
> > 3. I don't know anything about the product and wanted to know if it
> > something that should be installed. Does it get installed on the
> > server or desktop?
>
>
>
>



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Re: CF Builder 3

[John M Bliss]

I'll add: while you're checking stuff out, be sure to check out:
http://brackets.io  Has a CFML extension, is super-fast & lightweight, has
great find-and-replace, and has amazing front-end dev tools.

On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Rob Voyle  wrote:

>
> Hi Steve
> I use cfbuilder 3 on my local development of applications (Win 7 machine).
> Having migrated from using Homesite (which I still use for its ease of
> extended
> find/replace across entire web projects)
>
> I am not very impressed with cfbuilder. It could be very useful and has
> some
> promise but I would not pay money for it again, and if you already have a
> template editor you like don't waste your time trying to get a free version
> working.
>
> While you can select a range of editor preferences color coding etc. You
> will have
> varying and frustrating results with many preferences not sticking after
> you close
> and reopen the program.
>
> The syntax error reporting and color coding is insanely erroneous and
> unhelpful.
>
> Many of these bugs have had multiple bug reports made at Adobe but nothing
> has been done
>
> The built in FTP is so complex to setup, I gave up and went back to an
> external
> FileZilla program.
>
> For a relative beginner to the deeper complexity and power of CF (despite
> having
> used it for many years) I found it very difficult to find the settings
> that control
> many of the preferences. Seemed like I am using "confusion builder" rather
> than
> "coldfusion builder"
>
> Rob
> Robert J. Voyle, Psy.D.
> Director, Clergy Leadership Institute
> For Coaching and Training in Appreciative Inquiry
> Author: Restoring Hope: Appreciative Strategies
> to Resolve Grief and Resentment
> http://www.appreciativeway.com/
> 503-647-2378 or 503-647-2382
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6 Jan 2015 at 18:18, Steve LaBadie wrote:
>
> >
> > We just purchased CF 11 and we also received a license for Builder
> > 3. I don't know anything about the product and wanted to know if it
> > something that should be installed. Does it get installed on the
> > server or desktop?
>
>
>
> 

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Re: CF Builder 3-2

[Rob Voyle]

Hi Steve

One other thing if you are using a windows platform.
CF11 is now built on Tomcat. Not much of a problem EXCEPT that some (but not 
all) file names will be case sensitive in some applications. Wasted a day on 
that 
one trying to debug an application that had worked fine on CF9.

Rob 

On 6 Jan 2015 at 18:18, Steve LaBadie wrote:

> 
> We just purchased CF 11 and we also received a license for Builder
> 3. I don't know anything about the product and wanted to know if it
> something that should be installed. Does it get installed on the
> server or desktop?



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Re: CF Builder 3

[Rob Voyle]

Hi Steve
I use cfbuilder 3 on my local development of applications (Win 7 machine).
Having migrated from using Homesite (which I still use for its ease of extended 
find/replace across entire web projects)

I am not very impressed with cfbuilder. It could be very useful and has some 
promise but I would not pay money for it again, and if you already have a 
template editor you like don't waste your time trying to get a free version 
working.

While you can select a range of editor preferences color coding etc. You will 
have 
varying and frustrating results with many preferences not sticking after you 
close 
and reopen the program.

The syntax error reporting and color coding is insanely erroneous and unhelpful.

Many of these bugs have had multiple bug reports made at Adobe but nothing 
has been done

The built in FTP is so complex to setup, I gave up and went back to an external 
FileZilla program.

For a relative beginner to the deeper complexity and power of CF (despite 
having 
used it for many years) I found it very difficult to find the settings that 
control 
many of the preferences. Seemed like I am using "confusion builder" rather than 
"coldfusion builder"

Rob
Robert J. Voyle, Psy.D.
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On 6 Jan 2015 at 18:18, Steve LaBadie wrote:

> 
> We just purchased CF 11 and we also received a license for Builder
> 3. I don't know anything about the product and wanted to know if it
> something that should be installed. Does it get installed on the
> server or desktop?



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RE: CF Builder 3

[Steve LaBadie]

Thanks everyone for responding

Happy New Year

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-Original Message-
From: Byron Mann [mailto:byronos...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 1:41 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF Builder 3


I use Sublime as well and love it for its simplicity.

However, believe you can do real debugging with CF Builder. That may be a perk 
worth consideration.

I do agree, changing dev methodologies can be time consuming, so maybe start 
off using it in your free time to get used to things.

Byron Mann
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Re: CF Builder 3

[Byron Mann]

I use Sublime as well and love it for its simplicity.

However, believe you can do real debugging with CF Builder. That may be a
perk worth consideration.

I do agree, changing dev methodologies can be time consuming, so maybe
start off using it in your free time to get used to things.

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Re: CF Builder 3

[J.J. Merrick]

It really depends on your development workflow. If you already have an IDE
that you use to create you CF pages than you might not want to change. It's
worth installing and seeing if you like it since you get a license anyways.

Personally I really like the speed of Sublime Text and use that instead.

On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Steve LaBadie 
wrote:

>
> Is it worth installing/using?
>
> Steve LaBadie, Web Manager
> East Stroudsburg University
> 570-422-3999
> slaba...@esu.edu
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@trunkful.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 1:23 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: CF Builder 3
>
>
> ColdFusion Builder 3 is an IDE based on Eclipse.  You can install as
> standalone or as a plugin for an existing Eclipse setup. - oh and desktop
> NOT the server.
>
> Regards,
> Wil
>
>
> Wil Genovese
> Sr. Web Application Developer/
> Systems Administrator
> CF Webtools
> www.cfwebtools.com
>
> wilg...@trunkful.com
> www.trunkful.com
>
> > On Jan 6, 2015, at 12:18 PM, Steve LaBadie 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > We just purchased CF 11 and we also received a license for Builder 3. I
> don't know anything about the product and wanted to know if it something
> that should be installed. Does it get installed on the server or desktop?
> >
> > Steve LaBadie, Web Manager
> > East Stroudsburg University
> > 570-422-3999
> > slaba...@esu.edu<mailto:slaba...@esu.edu>
> >
> > [facebook-16x16]<http://www.facebook.com/eaststroudsburguniversity>
> [twitter-16x16] <http://twitter.com/esuniversity>   [youtube-16x16] <
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: CF Builder 3

[Byron Mann]

Builder is a desktop development environment (IDE), based on Eclipse.

If you have not used Eclipse with CFEclipse or Builder, I would recommend
giving it a go.

Byron Mann
Lead Engineer & Architect
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On Jan 6, 2015 1:20 PM, "Steve LaBadie"  wrote:

>
> We just purchased CF 11 and we also received a license for Builder 3. I
> don't know anything about the product and wanted to know if it something
> that should be installed. Does it get installed on the server or desktop?
>
> Steve LaBadie, Web Manager
> East Stroudsburg University
> 570-422-3999
> slaba...@esu.edu
>
> [facebook-16x16]
> [twitter-16x16]    [youtube-16x16] <
> http://www.youtube.com/user/esuedu>
>
>
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> 

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RE: CF Builder 3

[Steve LaBadie]

Is it worth installing/using?

Steve LaBadie, Web Manager
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-Original Message-
From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@trunkful.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 1:23 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF Builder 3


ColdFusion Builder 3 is an IDE based on Eclipse.  You can install as standalone 
or as a plugin for an existing Eclipse setup. - oh and desktop NOT the server.

Regards,
Wil


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Systems Administrator
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> On Jan 6, 2015, at 12:18 PM, Steve LaBadie  wrote:
> 
> 
> We just purchased CF 11 and we also received a license for Builder 3. I don't 
> know anything about the product and wanted to know if it something that 
> should be installed. Does it get installed on the server or desktop?
> 
> Steve LaBadie, Web Manager
> East Stroudsburg University
> 570-422-3999
> slaba...@esu.edu<mailto:slaba...@esu.edu>
> 
> [facebook-16x16]<http://www.facebook.com/eaststroudsburguniversity>  
> [twitter-16x16] <http://twitter.com/esuniversity>   [youtube-16x16] 
> <http://www.youtube.com/user/esuedu>
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Re: CF Builder 3

[Wil Genovese]

ColdFusion Builder 3 is an IDE based on Eclipse.  You can install as standalone 
or as a plugin for an existing Eclipse setup. - oh and desktop NOT the server.

Regards,
Wil


Wil Genovese
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Systems Administrator
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www.cfwebtools.com

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> On Jan 6, 2015, at 12:18 PM, Steve LaBadie  wrote:
> 
> 
> We just purchased CF 11 and we also received a license for Builder 3. I don't 
> know anything about the product and wanted to know if it something that 
> should be installed. Does it get installed on the server or desktop?
> 
> Steve LaBadie, Web Manager
> East Stroudsburg University
> 570-422-3999
> slaba...@esu.edu
> 
> [facebook-16x16]  
> [twitter-16x16]    [youtube-16x16] 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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CF Builder 3

[Steve LaBadie]

We just purchased CF 11 and we also received a license for Builder 3. I don't 
know anything about the product and wanted to know if it something that should 
be installed. Does it get installed on the server or desktop?

Steve LaBadie, Web Manager
East Stroudsburg University
570-422-3999
slaba...@esu.edu

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Re: CF Builder 3 frustrates!!!

[Andrew Scott]

Can I just say this, there are dangers to just using the same workspace.

These dangers are not just limited to the fact that plugins etc., and
Eclipse itself stores a lot of information in here that could very easily
be out of date for any updates to either Eclipse or any of the related
plugins.

The official way to do this, is just the import previous installation from
the import options. Then from here all you need to do is actually use the
import project.

There is no need for any plugins, or external tools to do the job, it is
all done from within Eclipse.

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On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Gerald Guido  wrote:

>
> >> Also, you can use the AnyEditTools plugin (
> http://andrei.gmxhome.de/anyedit/)
>
> Excellent! Thanx for sharing!
>
> G!
>
> --
> Gerald Guido
>
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>
> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Dean Lawrence  wrote:
>
> >
> > Also, you can use the AnyEditTools plugin (
> > http://andrei.gmxhome.de/anyedit/)
> > to export / import any working sets that you have defined. This works
> great
> > if you use the same workspace that you had for your previous CFB or
> Eclipse
> > installation.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Carl Von Stetten <
> vonner.li...@vonner.net
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > You can actually import your entire CFB2 workspace if you want
> (projects
> > > included).  By default (and on Windows), CFB2 put the workspace in
> > > C:\Users\Username\Adobe ColdFusion Builder Workspace. You can point
> CFB3
> > > to that same workspace if you want, or copy it into the one created by
> > > CFB3 (probably in a similar place).
> > >
> > > At least that worked with the Thunder Beta version I have.
> > >
> > > -Carl V.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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Re: CF Builder 3 frustrates!!!

[Gerald Guido]

>> Also, you can use the AnyEditTools plugin (
http://andrei.gmxhome.de/anyedit/)

Excellent! Thanx for sharing!

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On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Dean Lawrence  wrote:

>
> Also, you can use the AnyEditTools plugin (
> http://andrei.gmxhome.de/anyedit/)
> to export / import any working sets that you have defined. This works great
> if you use the same workspace that you had for your previous CFB or Eclipse
> installation.
>
>
> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Carl Von Stetten  >wrote:
>
> >
> > You can actually import your entire CFB2 workspace if you want (projects
> > included).  By default (and on Windows), CFB2 put the workspace in
> > C:\Users\Username\Adobe ColdFusion Builder Workspace. You can point CFB3
> > to that same workspace if you want, or copy it into the one created by
> > CFB3 (probably in a similar place).
> >
> > At least that worked with the Thunder Beta version I have.
> >
> > -Carl V.
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: CF Builder 3 frustrates!!!

[Dean Lawrence]

Also, you can use the AnyEditTools plugin (http://andrei.gmxhome.de/anyedit/)
to export / import any working sets that you have defined. This works great
if you use the same workspace that you had for your previous CFB or Eclipse
installation.


On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Carl Von Stetten wrote:

>
> You can actually import your entire CFB2 workspace if you want (projects
> included).  By default (and on Windows), CFB2 put the workspace in
> C:\Users\Username\Adobe ColdFusion Builder Workspace. You can point CFB3
> to that same workspace if you want, or copy it into the one created by
> CFB3 (probably in a similar place).
>
> At least that worked with the Thunder Beta version I have.
>
> -Carl V.
>
>
> 

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Re: CF Builder 3 frustrates!!!

[Carl Von Stetten]

You can actually import your entire CFB2 workspace if you want (projects 
included).  By default (and on Windows), CFB2 put the workspace in 
C:\Users\Username\Adobe ColdFusion Builder Workspace. You can point CFB3 
to that same workspace if you want, or copy it into the one created by 
CFB3 (probably in a similar place).

At least that worked with the Thunder Beta version I have.

-Carl V.


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Re: CF Builder 3 frustrates!!!

[Andrew Scott]

That is actually a good question. In Eclipse the way you do this is go to
import, which will open up the type of import. You then go to install and
select from previous installation. I have done this with CFB2 when it was
running as a plugin to an Eclipse Installation, but I just tried to do this
with Thunder and it really doesn't want to do this...

My guess this is something that Adobe should have in CFB right from the
word go and I will be very unhappy if I have to go an reset all this up
again.

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On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Justin Scott  wrote:

>
> > I have never been a fan of the sync in CFB, I have always used
> > Scooters Beyond Compare. ...
>
> +1 for Beyond Compare, it's awesome.
>
> On an unrelated note, is there something I'm missing during the CF
> Builder 3 setup process to import settings and projects and such from
> Builder 2?  I have everything there set up the way I want it (custom
> colors, editor settings, projects, etc) and it would be a pain to have
> to re-set up everything in Builder 3...  did I miss a "transfer
> settings" option somewhere?  I imported a couple of projects I work on
> regularly and it didn't even keep the project names in the project
> list (used the folder name and refuses to let me rename the project
> with an error).  I like Builder, but the move from 2 to 3 could be a
> lot smoother.
>
>
> -Justin
>
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Re: CF Builder 3 frustrates!!!

[Justin Scott]

> I have never been a fan of the sync in CFB, I have always used
> Scooters Beyond Compare. ...

+1 for Beyond Compare, it's awesome.

On an unrelated note, is there something I'm missing during the CF
Builder 3 setup process to import settings and projects and such from
Builder 2?  I have everything there set up the way I want it (custom
colors, editor settings, projects, etc) and it would be a pain to have
to re-set up everything in Builder 3...  did I miss a "transfer
settings" option somewhere?  I imported a couple of projects I work on
regularly and it didn't even keep the project names in the project
list (used the folder name and refuses to let me rename the project
with an error).  I like Builder, but the move from 2 to 3 could be a
lot smoother.


-Justin

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Re: CF Builder 3 frustrates!!!

[Andrew Scott]

I have never been a fan of the sync in CFB, I have always used Scooters
Beyond Compare. The main reason is that most sync's in IDE's like this
don't allow for the line differences in the files, I haven't used
dreamweaver for a long time either and I doubt Adobe would have put that
sort of feature into Dreamweaver, but I could be wrong.


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On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Mike K  wrote:

>
> I have taken the advice of several members of this list   and installed
> ColdFusion Builder 3.   For the last hour I have been frustrated, trying to
> upload a single file to my production server.
>
> It's quite likely I'm coming at this from the wrong angle (i'm a CFBuilder
> novice after all) but from what I can see, CFBuilder will only upload any
> files if it has uploaded them all.   Apparently, you have to either upload
> the entire project,  or a file that has been uploaded previously by
> CFBuilder but changed since it last uploaded the project. If it didnt
> upload the project last time (because it's on the production server
> already)  you can't upload anything.
>
> Or have it missed something?
>
> I even tried deleting everything off the production server, so CFBuilder
> could upload them all and then be happy.  But it didnt like that either.
>  It says the local folder is already mapped to something else and wont
> upload anything. And not only that, when I try to cancel the ftp
> upload, it asks if i want CFBuilder to remember and wont accept anything
> but 'yes'.  In other words,  you'd better get all the details right first
> time or you're screwed.
>
> Are there any help files that are more than utter basic kindergarten files
> yet?   OR tutorials?The only tutorials I've found are either for
> previous versions,  or are telling me how to install everything.   I dont
> need that.  I need to know how to use this damned application, since Adobe
> are now preventing me using Dreamweaver for CF applications.
>
> How do I tame the FTP and synchronising functions?
>
> --
> Cheers
> Mike Kear
> Windsor, NSW, Australia
> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
> AFP Webworks
> http://afpwebworks.com
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>
>
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CF Builder 3 frustrates!!!

[Mike K]

I have taken the advice of several members of this list   and installed
ColdFusion Builder 3.   For the last hour I have been frustrated, trying to
upload a single file to my production server.

It's quite likely I'm coming at this from the wrong angle (i'm a CFBuilder
novice after all) but from what I can see, CFBuilder will only upload any
files if it has uploaded them all.   Apparently, you have to either upload
the entire project,  or a file that has been uploaded previously by
CFBuilder but changed since it last uploaded the project. If it didnt
upload the project last time (because it's on the production server
already)  you can't upload anything.

Or have it missed something?

I even tried deleting everything off the production server, so CFBuilder
could upload them all and then be happy.  But it didnt like that either.
 It says the local folder is already mapped to something else and wont
upload anything. And not only that, when I try to cancel the ftp
upload, it asks if i want CFBuilder to remember and wont accept anything
but 'yes'.  In other words,  you'd better get all the details right first
time or you're screwed.

Are there any help files that are more than utter basic kindergarten files
yet?   OR tutorials?The only tutorials I've found are either for
previous versions,  or are telling me how to install everything.   I dont
need that.  I need to know how to use this damned application, since Adobe
are now preventing me using Dreamweaver for CF applications.

How do I tame the FTP and synchronising functions?

-- 
Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month


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