No 400 small blocks were put into any 68-72 Chevelles...there may have been a SB 400 in a 73-75, but I'm not sure of that either. I know the 454 was available til late 1974.
Kelly Jana Hanna
www.hannawoodworks.com
The 400 small block is not listed for 70 Chevelle. In the Chevy literature
the 400 small block was called Turbo Fire and the 400 big block was called
the Turbo Jet. The Chevy engine line up was a confusing situation in 1970.
They had a non-SS 400 330hp Chevelle engine that was really a 402.
i guess so...but then i would probably want to
restore it...lol
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Chad my be you could buy an unrestored
i guess so...but then i would probably want to restore it...lol
Chad,
Although the urge to cruise in a big block is great, you should resist for several reasons...the first is money. If you had the money to build or buy one and then got it out on the street, chances are you'd not have the
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i am going to have to disagree with the fact that small block 400 did not
come in Chevelles. i have seen several that have. They were available in
70-73 Chevelles. The casting number is 3951511,
To all and any, I see a lot of postings referring to a 'crate motor' and
'build sheets', would someone define these terms and how do you go about
acquiring a build sheet?
Thank all.
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To all and any, I see a lot of postings referring to a 'crate motor' and
'build sheets', would someone define these terms and how do you go about
acquiring a build sheet?
A crate motor example is here
http://www.sdpc2000.com/cart.asp?action=catalog_startcatid=63
A build sheet is a piece
I belong to the Mid America Chevelle Club, last night
we had a Chevelle only cruise and this was an
oppertunity to ask this very question around the
various members, no one had everheard of a 400 small
block in a Chevelle, and I also never heard of a 400
Chevelle as a model of car or seen any
My Chevrolet Parts Manual confirms the 400-2Bbl engine for 70 and 71
Chevelles with the codes listed by Brad even though the engines are NOT
listed in the GM Restoration Kit information.
All small blocks were listed as Turbo-Fire and big blocks had the Turbo-Jet
designation; 6-cyls were
Build sheets were the paperwork used by the line workers to ensure the
correct parts were installed on the car as it was assembled. These were
usually stuffed (1) behind or under the rear seat, (2) in door panels, (3)
under/in the front seats...generally wherever the last assembly point
decided
GM shows them in their Parts Manual but that doesn't mean any were ever
produced - although some folks here on the list will attest to them. That
same GM Parts Manual also shows two engine codes for 71 454/460 HP engines
that never made production in Chevelles, CPP for manual trans and CPR (I
Where can you get an LS6 or 7 crate?
Larry (z)
And the first thing tom always mentions is that it is a clone.
Larry (z)
The LS6 or 7 isn't available over the counter anymore. Actually hasn't been for years. you do see one for sale every once in a while in the parts for sale section of Team Chevelle.
Larry (Z)
But it wont make the torque of the big block :)
Larry (z)
lol the last LS6 el camino i saw for sale was 55000 dollars
Larry (z)
Tom:
the BB 400 also came in full boat big cars.
Larry (z)
Hi,
I searched for some stuff in my Speedway motors catalog, they list front a
arms in various measures for $40 each (for racing) anyone out there know if
they fit chvelles and if theyre usable on the street ?
John.
please drop me a line off list as I need a quote on some parts.
Thanks !
Kind
I found two build sheets for my car.
http://webpages.charter.net/perfmark/cars/chevelle/buildsheet/build_sheet_fo
und.htm
Good luck.
Mark
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Dave,
I have
a 12 bolt rear, polygraphite bushings, boxed lower arms (stock) and boxed upper
arms (my modification). Gas charged Delco shocks. New stock rear
springs. Stock size tires. 468 with 700r4.
Currently lays rubber through first and second, no
wheel hop.
(I had
bad wheel hop
The
ones in the Year One catalog look like they do. Unless the picture is
wrong.
Mark
As Mark Weber said in a
previous post
How I would do it again:
2. Buy new kit that extends further up the back wall and further up and over the rear axle hump. Don't worry if it costs
Update.
I had a bad wheel hop problem on my restoration with new springs, boxed
upper and lower control arms, and three inch spacers under the spring (were
there when I bought the car, I did not know they did not belong).
Yesterday I removed the 3 spacers and now the car sits level, rides
A short block is a complete engine minus
the heads, intake, carb, dist, etc. It is basically the block, rods, crank,
pistons, cam, etc.
A long block is a short block plus the
heads (still minus the intake all the bolt on stuff)
Don
also, i have more questions - whats a short
block,
Hey, Thank you. Jim
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Generally 10.0-10.5 compression will run on 92 no porblem. I ran 11.3 to 1 with iron heads and a zero deck and it loved 92, even on 95 degree days. CC designs such as the vortecs allow about an extra .8 of a point of compression on the same octane. A 38-45 quench will also help detination. Alum
Yeah it amazing what you lose on the way to the wheels. It is also amazing how funny it is when people say they figure they have 500 rear wheel hp and then pull a 300. I'd say your numbers are pretty respectable if your car is as streetable as it sounds. It sounds like it was a fun weekend...
Most long blocks also include a cam, lifters, and misc valvetrain components. Mikey - Original Message - From: Don Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 3:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Ignorant older guy A short block is a complete engine minus the heads, intake,
The secondaries on Quads are very large and are known to make the howl you are referring to by design. The 850 cfm quads (found on many 400,403, 455 olds/buick/pontiac's,and 472 500 Caddys)seem to make the most noise, but it is hard to say for sure. Holleys are designed differently and most have
opps... that was Chevy High Performance. I was flipping through a Hot Rod at the supermarket today and must of been brain washed :P Mikey
thanks for your information, this is greatly
appreciated! i think 400 ft - lbs is plenty, if not too much. im
looking for 330 - 400 foot of torque. how do i learn what combos work real
well?
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so a good thing to do would be to get a short
block? cause i figure, if you get the crate motor, you need to put
EVERYTHING on it, but if you buy a short or long block, its already mostly put
into the motor.
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Chad,
I must admit, 454's are a blast to drive. My 66 has one, with a 4spd. Wouldnt make for a very good daily driver right? Har Har Har, it is my daily driver. Yes, it gets horrible gas mileage. But how horrible depends on if you have a lead foot. Average, it gets about 7 MPG in the city. On the
Chad,
Most crate motors are already assembled. Its basically you put it in the car, and start it. Some dont come with carb's, but for the most part, a crate motor is a complete motor.
-Tim
Can anyone else hear when the secondaries are opened up and the engine is
running under load?
Almost all four barrels do that when the secondaries open, in fact I've never heard one that didn't (with an open element air cleaner)...I'll ask my buddy in Michigan who has the same carb and see what
Well basically... do your research. I'd really suggest finding some old school books and articles by some of the greats like Grumpy Jinkens (sp?) and Smokey Yunick. You also can ask local dyno/race motor shops. Most of those guys have seen everything and will tell you what is good and what is a
That is probably total ignition timing. Generally 32-36 total ignition timing is a rule of thumb out there. Mikey - Original Message - From: Chad Playso Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 4:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] LS - 6 or Clone/compression ratio oh kool!
so a good thing to do would be to get a short block?cause i figure, if you get the crate motor, you need to put
EVERYTHING on it, but if you buy a short or long block, its already mostly put into the motor.
Crate motors are about the same as long blocks...some are more complete than others.
woah, 7 mpg? thats TERRIBLE, lol.men dont
have a lead foot, only women do... again, good luck with your knocking
problem...only wish i could help :(
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O, i see, so a crate is better than a
shortblock...for me it is. thanks so much!
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Chad,Most crate
was there a 396 produced in 71 and 72? i just passed
a 72 chevelle that looked like a SS and it said SS 396? i thought the only
things they produced for SS were 350's and 454s? correct me
please.
I don't get a howl from either my Holley or Barry Grant when the secondaries
open up. Never have.
Certainly not like the Quadrajets.
"Kelly C. Hanna" wrote:
>Can anyone else hear when the
secondaries are opened up and the engine is
>running under load?Almost
all four barrels do that when the
I don't get a howl from either my Holley or Barry Grant when the secondaries open up.Never have.
Wow, that's kinda disappointing. I've grown to love the howl of the Edelbrock. I wonder if the Demon does it.
Kelly Jana Hanna
www.hannawoodworks.com
I thought a crate motor just referred to the factor
that the motor block / head were complete and sold in a wooden crate. A crate
motor is a motor which has all the major machining completed. A motor which
usually includes the block,crank,cam,heads, but can come in more completed
stages.
NO, a crate motor is a complete almost
ready to run engine, usually minus the carb headers.
Don
so a good thing to do would be to get a short
block? cause i figure, if you get the crate motor, you need to put
EVERYTHING on it, but if you buy a short or long block, its already
Made it to the show and was it cool, the big
block factory cars were my favorites. These guys with the club have their stuff
together . You could see the dedication of the voluteers at this show , i think
that is what made it neat. Met Z16 Larry there what a cool person !!! He had his
hands
thank you.
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NO, a crate motor is a complete almost
ready to run engine, usually minus the carb
headers.
Don
I know that was their first show. Big learning curve. I bet
they have tales to tell about the good the bad. Now you better
be nice to the daughter.
rick
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Made it to the show and was it cool, the big
block factory
The engines actually displaced 402 cubic inches but the "SS396"
was such a recognizable name, GM kept it. The 402 came in to being in late
'69 I think replacing the ~real~ 396 cubic inch engine.
Dale
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What I do to test the secondaries of the Holley is take a small paper clip
and bend it so it clips lightly on the rod that connects the vacuum diaphragm
to the secondary butterfly shaft. Clip it on the rod in a way so after a test
drive if the secondary opened you will see the clip has moved
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Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Get a howl from a Holley?
and see what he says (my Edelbrock 1406 is the howliest I've
ever heard since it doesn't have the flapper that the other
carbs do).
Did you remove it? My 1406s
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The engines actually displaced 402 cubic inches but the SS396 was such
a recognizable name, GM kept it. The 402 came in to being in late '69 I
think replacing the ~real~ 396
Only the 454 did. Side emblems were SS only unless the 454 was ordered.
Dale
was there a 396 produced in 71 and 72? i just passed a 72 chevelle that
looked like a SS and it said SS 396? i thought the only things they
Question...was the displacement shown on the SS badges in '71-72? I
I could use some help and advice. I am thinking of powder coating my 65 Malibu's frame and would like to know pros and cons of doing it, where to look to have it done (I am in Las Vegas, NV), and cost. Would I be better off sand blasting the frame and painting it? Any help is welcome. Thanks.
Bob
Title: Re: [Chevelle-List] powder coating 65 frame
Bob,
From what Ive heard and read, powder coating is a better process than painting, unless you are going for originality. I sandblasted and painted the frame of my 69 and it turned out great. But who knows how long the finish will last on the
well i met Doug fugere today at our first annual Oregon chevelle and el camino show. what a super nice guy. we walked around and i looked at his nice 69 SS 396 El Camino. i took some pictures of his car and will include it with the pictures i took at the show. anyway we had 138 cars register and i
Did you remove it? My 1406s (1 on the truck, 1 parts carb) have
counterweighted secondary air valves that sit above the secondary throttle
blades. The valve is apparently sensitive to engine vacuum but
non-tuneable unless grinding metal off the weights is an option.
No, it was like that when I
You buy a car that 35 years ago they put one under the seat or gas tank or in the door etc. during assembly :)
Larry (z)
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