HI Skip,I know those waters well. I spent about 4 years sailing mount hope
bay. Nice job on the resurrection of you boat! Have you named her?
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From: Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Maiden
Can anybody give me the sailplan for my boat? What sail to use under what
wind condition. What is the comfort rating, tern over ratio. I have no
paper work with this boat that shows this information. It would be nice to
have a printed version of this information.
example on sail -plan
The sail
Hi all,
I'm currently in a Viking 33. I am 6'-0 tall and I cannot stand up in most of
the boat and I'm tired of hitting my head. The wife and I are starting to
cruise more and find that after 3 days on board we NEED to get off. I love how
this boat sails! she handles beautifully and has a very
I am 5-10 and I clear the overhead by more than 2 inches while below on my 35.
FYI
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
CC 35 MK I
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Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 11:01 AM
To:
Danny, Check out this blog
http://sailingsaralane.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2012-01-01T00:00:00-05:00updated-max=2013-01-01T00:00:00-05:00max-results=27
The CC 40 meets all your criteria except the swim platform. here's how a
friend of mine solved that before he took off for the
Andy:
For what its worth we love our CC 121. Not quite the woodwork quality of the
original but a very comfortable good performing boat with many of the features
you mention. The 110 (36’) is similar if you can live without much galley
storage.
Any number of later CC’s will also fit the
I have a 1985 cc 37 I bought 2 years ago and was planning to keep forever,
but we just accepted job offers in Cincinnati and are moving inland. I've
really enjoyed sailing her, and my 3 year-old loves nothing more than to go
sleep on the boat. I haven't listed it yet or taken pictures or
There is a CC 36XL in Toronto
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1996/C%26C-36XL-2527557/toronto/Canada#.U_NvE010zmE
Pierre Tremblay
Avalanche #54988
CC38-3 WK, hull #76
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Envoyé le : mardi 19 août 2014 11h01
Objet :
I am back from the Lake Ontario Short Handed Racing Series 100 and the results
are in.
Great to see a few CC boats out and doing so well.
DH Spin 1 - no CC
DH Spin 2 - CC 99 won, beat a DASH 34 by 8 minutes
DH Spin 3 - no CC
DH Spin 4 - CC 30-1 won, beat a Hunter 27X by a minute
SH Spin 1 - CC
Hi Bill, Where is the boat? I'd love to consider it. It would be going to a
good home, you can be assured of that! Danny
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From: William Hall via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
To: Burt Stratton bstrat...@falconnect.com, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com
This is pretty much a universal rule of thumb.
Reduce sail area when you loose helm, rail starts going in the water, or
the wife starts screaming.
Add sail area until one of the above occurs.
In actuality reef early and often is a better rule.
Additionally, any more than ~20° of heel is when
The 37 is a great boat! Layout is very similar to the 40. Very usable
galley, drop down center table in the salon and headroom. You might have
to duck going into the vee berth, but otherwise plenty of headroom!
Joel
35/3
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:35 AM, William Hall via CnC-List
You are missing a vital point. Charter cats NEED a written sailplan. They have
little to no steering feel and don't heel until it is too late. If you leave
too much sail up they might just round up against full rudder, go really fast
but ruin the sails*, break something, or perhaps capsize. It
We looked at a 85 cc 41 off the weekend. It is in really good shape but
they're asking $80k. Kinda steep...
From my Android phone
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From: John Pennie via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: 08/19/2014 11:33 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
The recommended sail plan would need to factor in what type of sails you have,
the condition
of the sails, what the Apparent Wind Angle is, and also what you are trying to
accomplish.
Getting the last 0.1 kt of speed in a race versus taking a conservative choice
for a cruise will
give different
I second Pierre's suggestion
That CC 36XL in Toronto looks really good.
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1996/C%26C-36XL-2527557/toronto/Canada#.U_NvE010zmE
As a current owner of a 34+ (Same boat, might have a slightly different
rig)It seems it would fit the bill.
Points like nobody's business,
Good point Joe. I did make the assumption that he was talking about a
monohull despite referencing a catamaran.
Josh
P.S. So the charter companies don't like seeing their boats sailed
properly?
On Aug 19, 2014 12:20 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
You are
Depends on the condition Danny.
On Aug 19, 2014 12:32 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
We looked at a 85 cc 41 off the weekend. It is in really good shape but
they're asking $80k. Kinda steep...
From my Android phone
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From:
Danny,
I think you would find everything you are looking for in a 38 Landfall -except
the swim platform. And as the long term owner of a regular 38, I'm happy with a
swim ladder off the transom.
There is a very nice Landfall in my area that has just been reduced in price -
to $27k. I was
Okay, that is Beautiful!! I wonder what it would take to get a boat from there
to here?
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Upsizing boats
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:38:02 -0500
I
overland? some $5-$6k. Unless you find some special deals.
Marek
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Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:02 PM
To: jfriv...@us.ibm.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Upsizing boats
Okay, that is Beautiful!!
I wonder what it would take to get a boat
I was cruising around Narragansett Bay last week and crossed wakes with
the new CC 30 One Design. Didn't look like it had a whole lot of
headroom down below!
Bill Bina
On 8/19/2014 1:02 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:
Danny,
I think you would find everything you are looking for in a 38
Or - For just a little more you can go with the next generation…
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1999/C%26C-110-2733617/Vermilion/OH/United-States#.U_OEuUuRPwI
On Aug 19, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:
Okay, that is Beautiful!!
I wonder what it
Danny it wouldn't take much to get the boat here. I've just done that trip
a couple of times. I can help you out with logistics if you jump (but it'll
mean coming to Newport and getting together for a beer). And the trip is
easy and beautiful. Don't be put off by that.
Andy
CC 40
Peregrine
On
Yeeea, Maybe I was not clear on my point.I am kinda just looking for
written speck's on the boat. I wanted to have it in my book. I wanted the
official CC version. I would like to see how the numbers measure up other
boats. Not looking for sailing advise. I know when to shake one out or the
fly
I saw this boat on line and I love it...I would even keep the name! I saw that
it was in Ohio and stopped looking but, I may be changing my mind on that...
Here is a bigger boat that looks pretty sharp!
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2003/C%26C-121-2738099/Salem/MA/United-States#.U_OGEPldXi0
You can find a sail plan as in the drawings and dimensions easy enough, but a
this much sail in this much wind written plan is something I never even knew
existed until I sailed a charter cat. We had an easier way anyway with the big
cat - just watch the rudder angle and reef anytime it got to
Thanks Michael, This was a great help.
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeeea, Maybe I was not clear on my point.I am kinda just looking for
written speck's on the boat. I wanted to have it in my book. I wanted the
official CC version. I would like to see how
I spent a week in Baddeck, Nova Scotia sailing on our friends CC99
“Prospector”. It has the cut out transom and in the past we have swam off it
very easily. I am 6’ 1” and I can stand anywhere in the boat. On top of that
is a very nice sailing boat. If you want bigger the 115 is also great
Josh,
The term sail plan should be a giveaway. properly speaking a sailplane is the
diagram we have all downloaded fron the Photoalbum that gives I,J,P,AND E for
our boats. What Curtis provided would be more properly termed a sail usage
guide.
A cat won't point like one of our boats. Going
Fred,
I thought the cushions looked fairly new, but you are right about updating the
electronics. The boat looked like the owners had spent money on her before they
brought her down from DC area about three years ago. Seemed like nice folks
when they joined the country club about three years
too much fun doing it on its own bottom to send the boat overland.
Andy
CC 40
Peregrine
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
overland? some $5-$6k. Unless you find some special deals.
Marek
*From:* Danny Haughey via CnC-List
I am hoping that someone can clarify the actual rules related to an incident
that I was involved in last weekend. The race was a “fun” race, so no yelling,
but I did not know who had rights. We had huge wind shifts approaching the
windward mark and I was in a position where I was close
David,
If you both entered the zone at the same time, you are entitled to mark
room. Furthermore, you were the leeward boat. So, raise that red flag and bitch
slap him in the protest room. Oh, you said it was a fun race? In that case,
raise the flag and politely demonstrate your
Curtis, I have the owners manual for Penniless and there is no mention of a
'sail plan'. The pictures show what looks like a 140 or 150 and that is about
it.
For your information, I use the 155 up to about 15 - 18 apparent, then drop to
the 140. Unless I am racing, and then sometimes I'll reef
18.1 When Rule 18 Applies
Rule 18 applies between boats when they are required to leave a
mark on the same side and at least one of them is in the zone.
18.2 Giving Mark-Room
(a) When boats are overlapped the outside boat shall give the
inside boat mark-room, unless rule 18.2(b) applies.
(b) If
Like Edd said, you had rights as the leeward boat and, as leeward boat
entering the two boat length circle, you carried those rights into the
circle.
I would place less emphasis on rights as inside boat unless you are
ABSOLUTELY positive you were laying the mark. Consider this, a boat
That’s an interesting comment. My initial reaction was the leeward boat
argument was the stronger hand but you’re absolutely right. In any event…
bitch slap him.
John
On Aug 19, 2014, at 5:35 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:
Like Edd said, you had rights as the
I was worried about the definition of overlap in this rule. Since we were
effectively 90 degrees to each other, I did not know how you would define
“overlap”. If you project an orthogonal line outward from the bow and stern,
they would not intersect the other boat. Also, Dennis, I did lay
David
Agreed you are entitled to room- at least enough for a seamanlike
rounding - Another way to look at it is that you had an overlap -
probably well outside of the zone. Draw a line perpendicular across his
stern and your whole boat was likely in front because of the very different
angles
David,
I agree with Kim - look up the definition of overlap. If he was bearing
down on you on the same tack the line through his stern, perpendicular to
the centerline of *his* boat should be behind your stern, and likewise a
line through your stern perpendicular to *your* centerline would be
You guys seem to know your racing rules well... before I could fairly judge
that situation I would like to see a diagram showing the mark and the 2
boats relative to each other and I would also like to hear the story from
the other boat...I wonder if each of you would draw the same diagram
Dwight
Not much question here Dwight:
if the other boat was sailing a lower course to the mark there was overlap
unless the other boat was clear ahead
if the other boat was sailing faster and there was any concern about
overlap at the mark then the boats were overlapped at the circle or David
was clear
All the drawings in the world and it would most likely still be a he said
she said. In that case, the race judges will default to less arbitrary
facts than who was in the zone at what time and whether or not they were
overlapped. As Edd said, close hulled AND windward. It is hard to
Now whether or not it is worth the fight is a whole other story. Maybe they
will be in a position to give you a little leeway on the next leg.
At a mark rounding I once told a Melges 32 helmsman he would need a liferaft
before a protest flag if he stuck his nose in there.
With mixed fleets
Try having two clubs use the same government buoy as a mark with one fleet
rounding to stbd and the other rounding to port.
It definitely makes things interesting.
Rick Taillieu
Nemesis
'75 CC 25 #371
Shearwater Yacht Club
Halifax, NS.
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If you're inside and not laying the mark you can head up--as long as you don't
go past head-to-wind and still be entitled to room.
Sailing in a 30-boat one design fleet will expose you to pretty much all these
situations!
Andy
CC 40
Peregrine
Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI
USA
Had that happen earlier this summer. As you say, interesting and a trifle
loud, too!
Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI
USA02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260
On Aug 19, 2014, at 19:21, Rick Taillieu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
The Sloop Tavern Yacht Club puts on a race named “The Three Buoy Fiasco”. The
race uses a reverse order start; you can start/finish in either direction, and
can round the marks in any order or direction.
The options regarding wind and tide lead to entertaining strategies. Last year
Calypso
Okay so, I'm concentrating on the 34plus and the 37plus. I think either of
these boats could fit the bill. I just need to get on board them and see how
we like them. These are cored hulls, right? This always worries me... should
it?
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From: Andrew Burton
Sailed a j133 back from Bermuda recently. Prominently taped to the inside of
the companionway was a pretty neat diagram / graph. X axis was wind speed y
axis was wind angle (forget if true or apparent). The rectangle was filled with
multiple adjoining shapes each representing a particular head
Not really, IMHO.
Just about any modern sailboat (or performance oriented power boat of any size)
is going to have a cored hull.
And any sailboat without a cored hull is likely to fall into one of two
categories: heavy as crap and slow, or light and really bendy.
I hear a lot today about
Nothing wrong with a cored hull - significantly lighter and stronger than a
solid hull. Each core material has advantages disadvantages. The common
theme to all is the potential for de-lamination. Balsa is probably still the
best in terms of strength but it has a nasty habit of rotting
Curtis,
I still have the original instruction manual for my CC 30-1 (1973), and there
is no such thing in the manual.
These sail reduction pattern were popular in the era of hank-on sails, when
boats were carrying more than half a dozen sails to cover various wind
conditions.
I guess such a
So which one do all the classic CCs fall into with their solid hulls? ;-)
Paul.
Orange Crush
27MkII, Sidney, BC
On 14-08-19 07:38 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:
Not really, IMHO.
Just about any modern sailboat (or performance oriented power boat of any size)
is going to have a cored
Actually, you had an inside overlap. There is no requirement for boats to be in
close proximity to one another for an overlap to exist. You were clear ahead
until the other boat established an overlap to windward of you. The only way
for the other boat to have had rights would be if it became
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