Stus-List Right of way?

I missed that discussion.. Sups, kayaks, anybody else except sailors on a starboard tack: Get the bleep outa my way if I'm racing ! If I'm cruising.. I'm a little more cordial.lol -Francois 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, GA Sent from IBM Verse

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Sam What's the name of your 35-3? I race my 29-1 out of Tiburon YC and I always pay attention to C's. I do the big races, the Great Vallejo Race, the YRA 2nd half opener and the Season closer as well as the Jazz Cup so encounters with container ships and tankers are common. I went to a

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I had an exciting freighter experience this past weekend. I went for a leisurely sunset sail with a couple of friends on Saturday from San Francisco (where I had parked the boat for a few days) across the bay to Emeryville (where I am permanently berthed). We were probably about a half-mile

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Here's the link to the video of the idiotic sailor who tried to cross in front of a freighter during Cowes Week in 2011. The skipper was fined GBP 3000! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_tUoUxzt9sI -- Jonathan Indigo C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Jun 9, 2016, at 16:01, robert via CnC-List

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-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List *Sent:* June-09-16 09:40 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Right of way (ROW) discussion Chuck It seems that Pilot boats use horn signals and that Container ships trump all vessels. Last evening during

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, NS. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List Sent: June-09-16 09:40 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Re: Stus-List Right of way (ROW) discussion Chuck It seems that Pilot boats use horn signals and that Container

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[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 7:35 PM To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list Cc: Chuck S Subject: Re: Stus-List Right of way (ROW) discussion I took all the coast guard and power squadron courses and learned all the regs and rules

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..@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "ALAN BERGEN" <trya...@alumni.usc.edu> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 1:33:59 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Right of way (ROW) discussion It seems to me that there are a number of people on this list who don't know the rule

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I completely agree that you should do your best not to hit them, but the colregs do not recognize common sense as a legal justification for anything. That is true of most of law, on land as well as on sea. You are obligated to do as the law says, not as you feel about what it says. When

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Common sense and government regulation?  Yeah, we all know to avoid killing swimmers and paddleboarders​, but not because the regs tell us that. Joel On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:39 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Manual propelled vessels and swimmers don't have to

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Manual propelled vessels and swimmers don't have to be listed in the colregs in order for them to qualify as privileged. Common sense tells me that when approaching them in a sail or power boat, they are privileged and I am burdened. Alan Bergen On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Bill Bina -

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They are not part of the pecking order, and I do not believe human-powered mechanisms count as "propelled by machinery" anywhere in the colregs. The rig on a sailboat is also machinery in that sense. It's not a winning argument. Dictionary definitions have no bearing on definitions in the

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Bill, You are correct that they are not mentioned, but they are still vessels: (a) The word “vessel” includes every description of water craft, including nondisplacement craft, WIG craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water. Are they "powered" by

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The Colregs do not include rowboats, kayaks, canoes and paddleboards in the pecking order, which means they have no specific priority over other vessels. There was a time, when seaplanes were not included either. Seaplanes were obligated to avoid interfering with any other vessel. Swimmers,

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It seems to me that there are a number of people on this list who don't know the rules. Perhaps it's time to read Chapman's "Piloting, Seamanship and Small Boat Handling". The pecking order is: rowboats (including kayaks, canoes, paddle boards), sailboats, powerboats. Then there are

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From Urban Dictionary: dufus dummy, fool, idiot OR doofus <> Someone who hasn't got a clue! They live in blissful ignorance of the world, fashion, personal hygiene and

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I have a friend who writes and gives Connecticut SafeBoating classes - needed for operating boats in CT. Just asked him as to the pecking order of manually propelled vessels. He replied that they are treated as sailing vessels. Which is fine provided that the meeting is between a power vessel

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have. Rick Brass USCG Master 2878278 Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Indigo via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:10 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Indigo <ind...@thethomsons.us> Subject: Re: Stus-List Right of way (ROW) disc

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mail" <billbinal...@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 6:32:10 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Right of way (ROW) discussion The problem in my local area is kayak and SUP rentals, where the renters of the kayaks are completely oblivious to any rules, or their immediate surroundi

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As far as I know, speed of vessel plays no part in determining ROW. If it did, a power boat with a displacement hull would be able to claim ROW over one with a planning hull. Maritime attorneys may argue over "restricted in manouverabity" but I think it would be safe to say that if the

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Jonathan, While what you say may be true, it is also true that a slow moving (manually propelled) vessel would have a very hard time getting out of the way of a faster vessel. It's sort of like a pedestrian in a crosswalk. Gary S/V Kaylarah '90 C 37+ East Greenwich, RI, USA

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Most of us sailing out of the city refer to kayaks as "speed bumps". All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B C 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile

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The problem in my local area is kayak and SUP rentals, where the renters of the kayaks are completely oblivious to any rules, or their immediate surroundings. I can be motoring in my dinghy in the same direction as a pack of them and they will suddenly, and sharply, veer directly across my bow

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. Sent from my Samsung device Original message From: RANDY via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 2016-06-07 23:12 (GMT-04:00) To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: RANDY <randy.staff...@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Stus-List Right of way (ROW) discuss

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I stand corrected (and better informed). I was only thinking of meeting situations in harbors / channels which is where I usually run into (not literally) paddle boarders and kayakers. In open waters it makes perfect sense that they would have right of way. -- Jonathan Indigo C 35III

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Only skilled kayakers and competitive rowers can achieve speeds regarded as "maneuverable", in the sense of Colregs. I regard small or slow moving vessels as obstructions and treat them as such. And of course, kayaks being referred to as "speed bumps" may illicit a laugh or two. :)

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Interesting. I'd always learned that rowboats, canoes and the like had the right of way over sail, motor, etc, at least when meeting in open water free of obstructions. That usually seems to make sense, as a sailboat with a decent breeze can usually avoid the paddler easily. Here's a reference

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essage > From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Date: 6/7/2016 8:46 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: CnClist <CnC-List@cnc-list.com> > Cc: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com> > Subject: Stus-List Right of way (ROW) discussion >

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<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: "cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Indigo" <ind...@thethomsons.us> Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 7:23:13 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Right of way (ROW) discussion I would think that "manually propelled" vessels form

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I would think that "manually propelled" vessels form a different class of vessels. When two vessels belonging to different classes meet, the vessel belonging to the more maneuverable class is the "give way" vessel. In general, manually propelled vessels have minimal draft, and can therefor go

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Cc: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com> Subject: Stus-List Right of way (ROW) discussion Saw a post on a local yacht club board this week.  Seems a sailboat was approaching a group of stand up paddle boarders (SUP's).  Sailor didn't know who had ROW.  As he went by the SUP's, h

Stus-List Right of way (ROW) discussion

Saw a post on a local yacht club board this week. Seems a sailboat was approaching a group of stand up paddle boarders (SUP's). Sailor didn't know who had ROW. As he went by the SUP's, he asked them. They didn't know either. With the exception of required lights, the rules seem to be minimal