Listers:
I have a question for you engineer types. I recently
noticed a nick in one of my rod rigging shrouds. I don't know much about
rod rigging failure considerations, but I do recall reading awhile back that
nicks are bad. Is there anything that can be done (short of
New-Richmond, Qc
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Joe,
2 years ago I had my rod rigging replaced plus a bunch of other
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What would it cost to have a C with rod rigging inspected? Reheaded? Rod
replaced?
It makes
Thanks Mike! Love this group!
> On May 20, 2020, at 8:09 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
> wrote:
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> Thanks Michael. The photos are a great help for what to look for.
>
> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R, Pasadena Md
>> On May 20, 2020 at 11:24 AM Michael Brannon via CnC-List
>>
Thanks Michael. The photos are a great help for what to look for.
Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C 34R, Pasadena Md
> On May 20, 2020 at 11:24 AM Michael Brannon via CnC-List
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> James, there is no reason why you cannot do your own. Before going
> out and purchasing a dye
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James, there is no reason why you cannot do your own. Before going out and
purchasing a dye penetrant kit I would
James, there is no reason why you cannot do your own. Before going out and
purchasing a dye penetrant kit I would polish the heads and the areas around
them. Once polished look for visible cracks. Often they show as a corrosion
line or will snag your fingernail. If you see one then you
Thanks Jack. That’s a good contact for me. There may be folks on the West
Coast with that supply line as well if I need to look at new.
> On May 19, 2020, at 3:41 PM, Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List
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> I replaced the Navtec rod heads on Honey's rigging twice in the first 35
>
I replaced the Navtec rod heads on Honey's rigging twice in the first 35
years of owning her, finally had enough due to price & the PITA factor of
having to ship the rigging back to Navtec and wait for it's return. So I
had UK Sailmakers in Charleston, SC replace all of her standing rigging
with
I'm no expert but a Navtec rep told me the rod lasts forever. It's the end
fittings that can develop cracks and need inspecting. The rod can be reheaded.
This process causes a loss of one inch of length, but longer turnbuckles can
be purchased or adding a toggle can counter that length
Thanks!
> On May 19, 2020, at 2:38 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List
> wrote:
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> James,
>
> Great article on that here:
>
> https://www.boatus.com/seaworthy/magazine/2016/january/inspecting-sailboat-rigging.asp
>
>
James,
Great article on that here:
https://www.boatus.com/seaworthy/magazine/2016/january/inspecting-sailboat-rigging.asp
All the best,
Edd
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Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
C 37+ | Sail No.: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
Chuck and I have been engaged in too many exclusive conversations regarding
repairing deck core on our boats since we’re going through the exercise at the
same time….realized some of this conversation should be shared with the broader
C group as it always goes into good reading for the
What did you end up finding/doing? Just pull and it came out straight?
Josh
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 1:21 PM MAURICE POULIN via CnC-List <
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> Thank you all, worked out well and ready to go! Cheers
>
> Envoyé de mon iPhone
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> Le 1 juill. 2019 à 07:23, Michael Brannon
Thank you all, worked out well and ready to go! Cheers
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> Le 1 juill. 2019 à 07:23, Michael Brannon via CnC-List
> a écrit :
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> Maurice, the stem ball fittings rotate as they are tightened. They are
> basically threaded to a spacer piece which goes through the mast
Maurice, the stem ball fittings rotate as they are tightened. They are
basically threaded to a spacer piece which goes through the mast and allows
them to move. I’m making the assumption that you still have the original rod
and fittings.
Mike
Mikel Brannon
Virginia Lee 93295
C 36 CB
I believe that the stem ball fittings at the mast should allow the rod to
articulate and exit in a straight line. I also believe that the stem balls
can slide out of place when not under tension. It may be as easy as
pulling/twisting on the rod to get them to align and drop into place. If
that
Hello all,
I raised tha mast today and rigged the shrouds except for the lowers on both
side. These two shrouds have a curve where they enter into the mast. I am not
sure if they are well positionned so did not want to tighten the turnbuckles
and kink the rod at those curves. Would anyone
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod rigging
It was for performance. I have wire and am getting it inspected in the spring.
Just wanted to know if anyone had changed to Rod Rigging for racing.
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There is no such thing as "too strong". The only downside is availability,
availability of repair parts, difficulty of repair (particularly underway
or in foreign ports), inability to inspect or predict failure, special
(expensive) tension gauge, and added cost. The upsides include reduced
; Melody
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod rigging
Hi Glen,
I don't recall this discussion happening yet.
So, are you looking at a change from wire to rod as performance increase or
reliability aspect?
As for your question, rod will not be too strong for the chainplates. In
designing rigs the term
I'm kinda with Russ, why do you want to do that?
Touche' has a rod backstay but I can't think of any good reason why unless
it was because the boat came with a Head Seafoil (essentially a rod
extrusion). I have since replaced it with a wire forestay.
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
Hi Glen,
I don't recall this discussion happening yet.
So, are you looking at a change from wire to rod as performance
increase or reliability aspect?
As for your question, rod will not be too strong for the chainplates.
In designing rigs the terminations tend to be the stronger parts of
I am sure this issue has been discussed ad nauseum, but does anyone know
whether Rod Rigging for a C MK I has any downside. Specifically will it be
too strong for the chain plates.
Regards
Freya IV
Glen Eddie
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nesday, June 14, 2017 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod Rigging Tension C 32
I have a 1971 C 35 mk1 with an old style rig tension gauge (see pics as
follow
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/y2fsam4l5vrvz7v/AAAzwvyuC7njm3lEGi3xNJ1SaAnyone have
instructions on how to use this old style gauge?
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All, I can share my recent experience on this. I had Loos gauges for
my old Catalina with stranded riggi
the readings. This will give you easily repeatable settings
Mike
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I have a 1971 C 35
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All, I can share my recent experience on this. I had Loos g
was not sure how long it would last, so I am now the owner of an RT-10.Jim Reinardy C 30-2 "Firewater"Milwaukee, WI
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Date: Wed, June 14, 2017 7:55 am
microbends certainly got unbent, and the unseated was seated.
Dave
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Dave:
I can't add much
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Hugh:
Your rod rigging is probably the same as minehopefully your
Loos gauge can measure 'rod tension' and not si
Hugh:
Your rod rigging is probably the same as minehopefully your Loos
gauge can measure 'rod tension' and not simply 'wire'. I have the Loos
RT 10 gauge.
According to NavTec, the breaking point of the rod is 8,000 lbs. and
they recommend not exceeding 25% or 2,000 lbs. in our case
I used the Loos guidance which states between 10%and 15% of break
strength. I started with 10% on all of my shrouds, made sure they were
equal port and starboard, and recorded the values. I've been sailing and
observed the performance of the rig. The Owners manuals and collective
wisdom of the
Hello I am the proud new owner of a 1981 C 32 and am trying to set up the
standing rigging. I have the use of a Loos Gauge and would like to know what
the tension should be set at. I initially set it at 15 and went sailing. The
rig has lost a few points and now reads at about 13. Are there
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Steve Roberts
Pearl
1980 CNC 36 CB
Palm Coast, FL (Daytona Beach)
I am currently working towards re-stepping the mast on Pearl. The mast was
damaged when Hurricane Mathew came through. She was on jack stands in a marina
up North at the time, but fell over, her mast’s upper spreader hit
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> Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod rigging.
> I just saw something on sailing-anarchy that said that it's just the US
> side of NavTec that is closing up.
>
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Steve,
My name is also Steve, and I am also fixing up a 1980 C 36, so it
would help to reduce confusion if you would provide a little more
identification in your posts. Most of listers have adopted the convention of
signing with our boat model and location, or something along that
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I read on SA that Navtec US closed, but the French operation is still ongoing.
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List
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Mike's information?
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>> Rick Brass
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> Can anyone confirm Mike's information?
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> All. NAVTEC has gone out of business. At the moment it looks like Hayn
> is trying to take up the slack. You should be able to have the balls made
> by
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All. NAVTEC has gone out of business. At the moment it looks like Hayn is
trying to take up the slack. You should be able to have the balls made by a
local machinist
y, February 13, 2017 3:50 PM
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> Subject: Stus-List Rod rigging.
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> My newly acquired 1980 CNC 36 had the heads cut off of the intermediate
> shrouds. In trying to get them re-headed I discovered I'm missing 1 ball from
> under the cap. The
nswer your questions.
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Subject: Stus-List Rod rigging.
My newly acquired 1980 CNC 36 had the heads cut off of the intermediate
shrouds. In trying to get them re-headed I disc
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> My newly acquired 1980 CNC 36 had the heads cut off
My newly acquired 1980 CNC 36 had the heads cut off of the intermediate
shrouds. In trying to get them re-headed I discovered I'm missing 1 ball from
under the cap. The through bolt needs replacing as well as possibly the caps.
Question is, did Navtec go to a different option because of the
As Navtec parts and material get harder to find and more expensive, are
any other vendors stepping in to fill the gap for rod rigging
components?
What has been the experience with converting rod standing rigging to a
wire-based system?
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Subject: Stus-List Rod rigging replacement
As Navtec parts and material get harder to find and more expensive, are any
other vendors stepping in to fill the gap for rod rigging components?
What has been the experience
Well, in my case it was just my radar reflector. Those little wires
just broke. I'm going to replace them with dyneema.
Wal
Rick Brass wrote:
... snip I heard a sound like a shot from a .22 and thought Crap, something just
broke!
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I ended up using Dyform wire instead of conventional
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Subject: Re: Stus-List rod rigging versus wire replacement experiences please
A couple of summers ago, while sailing in significant slop and 16 to 20 knot
winds on Pamlico
, 2014 12:57 AM
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Subject: Stus-List rod rigging versus wire replacement experiences
please
Greetings:
For a 1988 C and C Mk2, the cost to replace the original rod rigging is
about $2000 more than switching to wire.
Has anyone had to make this decision and if you went the wire
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 09:36:39 -0300
From: mike.h...@impgroup.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List rod rigging versus wire replacement experiences please
CC what? Lots of CC models had a mark 2. Please tell us which boat?
I think
To me, the advantages of rod rigging apply only to racing. For cruising,
wire is preferable for a few reasons. One of the biggies is that wire
often gives you warning before failure, while rod can visually look
perfect up until the moment it suddenly fails. It is also a lot easier
to carry a
Gordon,
Most rod failures happen at the head. Many on this list have opted to have
the existing rod re-headed. This will shorten the rod and may require the
addition of a toggle but the cost of re-heading may be close to or less
than replacing with wire. Rod rigging will keep the resale value
Navtec recommends that rod be re-headed every 10 years. I think the cost
was about $2,000 3 years ago.
Joel
35/3
The Office
Annapolis
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com wrote:
Gordon,
Most rod failures happen at the head. Many on this list have opted to
have the
Gordon has a CC 30-2.
The field replaceability of wire vs rod is really no longer valid. A
piece of spectra long enough to replace any stay will replace any damaged
rod, and it can be spliced in place easily without any special fittings.
Because of the major difference in cost, I would be
A couple of summers ago, while sailing in significant slop and 16 to 20 knot
winds on Pamlico Sound, I heard a sound like a shot from a .22 and thought
Crap, something just broke!
The jump stay waving back and forth and banging into the mast certainly
elevated the priority on the inspection I
Greetings:
For a 1988 C and C Mk2, the cost to replace the original rod rigging is about
$2000 more than switching to wire.
Has anyone had to make this decision and if you went the wire route are there
any regrets?
Are there any other pros and cons?
This is a cruising boat so speed is not
I have a rob ball Baltic 39 and I am replacing the discontinuous rigging except
the forestay. New turnbuckles mast tangs and rod for a bit less than 5k. It
seems like a reasonable number considering the current rigging is from 1978 the
year of build
John Maturo
203-494-6782
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