Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Shawn,

I have unbolted and set aside my keel and can offer my observations. Our boat, 
a 1982 C 37 came with and we sailed with, for many, many years, the infamous 
"C smile.” Every year when pulling the boat out, the front part of the 
keel/keel stub intersection would weep a bit of sea-water. Not optimal but I 
let it go. Of note, no sea-water was finding its way into the bilge from the 
bolts.

Before dropping the keel I envisioned, well, had nightmares actually, that the 
keel bolts would be wasted to the size of a 1/4” x 20 bolt. I was preparing to 
drag the keel up to Mars Metals in Canada in order to have them replaced. It’s 
been awhile but as I recall the cost per bolt to have them replaced was under 
$200/bolt.

Fortunately, this did not come to pass. Yes, there was some wasting on the 
forward keel bolt but not enough to worry about and certainly not in light of 
the good condition on the remaining bolts. I will bolt the keel back on and not 
worry about it. Why, I might even get around to doing that this year…. ;-)

Link  to 
pictures.

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Apr 5, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> After another 4 months of boat searching, I am once again considering the 
> 35-2 "Callisto" which began this old thread from January. I have been 
> thinking about it, and when I saw it at the dock while looking at another 
> boat (Crown 28, yes I am getting desperate...), I realized I had forgotten 
> how nice looking the boat is. It still has a for sale sign, and I am waiting 
> to hear back from the owner. I think at 34K he was asking far too much, but 
> at 20K I could overlook some of the not quite up to my standards work done on 
> it. I will get a survey for sure if he gets back to me, and we can agree on a 
> price.
> Since looking at this boat, I started getting interested in Ericsons, and 
> really liked the idea of the encapsulated keels on their 70s models. We 
> almost bought a 29. But I am realizing that my fear of keel bolts is probably 
> unwarranted, and even Ericson went with bolt on keels by the 80s, and none of 
> them fell off. I hear people talk about replacing keel bolts, but I assume 
> they mean just the nuts, which doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, since the 
> crevice corrosion is likely to a problem with the bolt/stud. Are the bolts J 
> bolts like concrete anchors, or just threaded rod set into lead? I imagine 
> replacing a J bolt would be a huge job. Is replacing them ever actually done? 
> Could you just drill, tap, and thread in new stainless rod in between the 
> original bolts for extra safety? Or am I worrying too much about a mostly 
> non-issue? It's just that most bolt on keel boats I've looked at have water 
> in the bilge meaning the bolts/nuts will stay wet most of the time (probably 
> mainly rainwater/condensation I guess), so it seems like I should be 
> concerned.
> 
> It's interesting also that after a lot of discussion with the Ericson guys 
> (also a great group of owners, like this group), one of the features of the 
> newer Ericson designs which improves comfort is the flared bow (the 80s 
> models), something which the C 35-2 also has. Walking up to this 35-2 a few 
> days ago just reminded me why I was so attracted to it originally. Yes, there 
> are a few things I would do differently, but it's basically ready to sail, as 
> is. 
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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions - now Ericson keels

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Shawn

Encapsulated keels are not a better alternative to bolted on lead keels.  A 
grounding which cracks the skin of the keel will allow water in which can cause 
drastic problems in an encapsulated keel.  Often these are filled with material 
that can rust and cause bulges in the keel.  Be careful when inspecting such a 
boat.

OTOH we have friends with an Aloha 27 from the 70s that has an encapsulated 
keel and they have never had a problem with it

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS
www.hoytsailing.com

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Wright 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2019 12:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

Hello all,

After another 4 months of boat searching, I am once again considering the 35-2 
"Callisto" which began this old thread from January. I have been thinking about 
it, and when I saw it at the dock while looking at another boat (Crown 28, yes 
I am getting desperate...), I realized I had forgotten how nice looking the 
boat is. It still has a for sale sign, and I am waiting to hear back from the 
owner. I think at 34K he was asking far too much, but at 20K I could overlook 
some of the not quite up to my standards work done on it. I will get a survey 
for sure if he gets back to me, and we can agree on a price.
Since looking at this boat, I started getting interested in Ericsons, and 
really liked the idea of the encapsulated keels on their 70s models. We almost 
bought a 29. But I am realizing that my fear of keel bolts is probably 
unwarranted, and even Ericson went with bolt on keels by the 80s, and none of 
them fell off. I hear people talk about replacing keel bolts, but I assume they 
mean just the nuts, which doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, since the 
crevice corrosion is likely to a problem with the bolt/stud. Are the bolts J 
bolts like concrete anchors, or just threaded rod set into lead? I imagine 
replacing a J bolt would be a huge job. Is replacing them ever actually done? 
Could you just drill, tap, and thread in new stainless rod in between the 
original bolts for extra safety? Or am I worrying too much about a mostly 
non-issue? It's just that most bolt on keel boats I've looked at have water in 
the bilge meaning the bolts/nuts will stay wet most of the time (probably 
mainly rainwater/condensation I guess), so it seems like I should be concerned.

It's interesting also that after a lot of discussion with the Ericson guys 
(also a great group of owners, like this group), one of the features of the 
newer Ericson designs which improves comfort is the flared bow (the 80s 
models), something which the C 35-2 also has. Walking up to this 35-2 a few 
days ago just reminded me why I was so attracted to it originally. Yes, there 
are a few things I would do differently, but it's basically ready to sail, as 
is.
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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Shawn:

I purchased, new, a 1979 Ericson 2-30, and sailed and raced her for
twenty-five years. I never had a problem with the keel, and the bilge was
bone dry. I seem to recall that the keel bolts were J bolts. I have never
heard of an Ericson keel falling off. The only problem I had with the boat
was the way the shrouds were bonded to the hull. The tabs on the chain
plates were too small, causing the hull to "oil can" (dimples in the hull
around the chain plates). Whoever bonded the chain plates to the hull,
didn't use enough resin. (Some of the glass mat was not saturated with
resin.) Ericson sent me a retrofit kit which extended the chain plates and
the extensions had longer tabs. I did the work myself, and I didn't have
any further problems. The last I heard, the boat is still sailing in the
Portland area. As an aside, there's an Ericson 30+ listed for sale on
Yachtworld.com for $16,500.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 8:43 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> After another 4 months of boat searching, I am once again considering the
> 35-2 "Callisto" which began this old thread from January. I have been
> thinking about it, and when I saw it at the dock while looking at another
> boat (Crown 28, yes I am getting desperate...), I realized I had forgotten
> how nice looking the boat is. It still has a for sale sign, and I am
> waiting to hear back from the owner. I think at 34K he was asking far too
> much, but at 20K I could overlook some of the not quite up to my standards
> work done on it. I will get a survey for sure if he gets back to me, and we
> can agree on a price.
> Since looking at this boat, I started getting interested in Ericsons, and
> really liked the idea of the encapsulated keels on their 70s models. We
> almost bought a 29. But I am realizing that my fear of keel bolts is
> probably unwarranted, and even Ericson went with bolt on keels by the 80s,
> and none of them fell off. I hear people talk about replacing keel bolts,
> but I assume they mean just the nuts, which doesn't seem to make a lot of
> sense, since the crevice corrosion is likely to a problem with the
> bolt/stud. Are the bolts J bolts like concrete anchors, or just threaded
> rod set into lead? I imagine replacing a J bolt would be a huge job. Is
> replacing them ever actually done? Could you just drill, tap, and thread in
> new stainless rod in between the original bolts for extra safety? Or am I
> worrying too much about a mostly non-issue? It's just that most bolt on
> keel boats I've looked at have water in the bilge meaning the bolts/nuts
> will stay wet most of the time (probably mainly rainwater/condensation I
> guess), so it seems like I should be concerned.
>
> It's interesting also that after a lot of discussion with the Ericson guys
> (also a great group of owners, like this group), one of the features of the
> newer Ericson designs which improves comfort is the flared bow (the 80s
> models), something which the C 35-2 also has. Walking up to this 35-2 a
> few days ago just reminded me why I was so attracted to it originally. Yes,
> there are a few things I would do differently, but it's basically ready to
> sail, as is.
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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Hello all,

After another 4 months of boat searching, I am once again considering the
35-2 "Callisto" which began this old thread from January. I have been
thinking about it, and when I saw it at the dock while looking at another
boat (Crown 28, yes I am getting desperate...), I realized I had forgotten
how nice looking the boat is. It still has a for sale sign, and I am
waiting to hear back from the owner. I think at 34K he was asking far too
much, but at 20K I could overlook some of the not quite up to my standards
work done on it. I will get a survey for sure if he gets back to me, and we
can agree on a price.
Since looking at this boat, I started getting interested in Ericsons, and
really liked the idea of the encapsulated keels on their 70s models. We
almost bought a 29. But I am realizing that my fear of keel bolts is
probably unwarranted, and even Ericson went with bolt on keels by the 80s,
and none of them fell off. I hear people talk about replacing keel bolts,
but I assume they mean just the nuts, which doesn't seem to make a lot of
sense, since the crevice corrosion is likely to a problem with the
bolt/stud. Are the bolts J bolts like concrete anchors, or just threaded
rod set into lead? I imagine replacing a J bolt would be a huge job. Is
replacing them ever actually done? Could you just drill, tap, and thread in
new stainless rod in between the original bolts for extra safety? Or am I
worrying too much about a mostly non-issue? It's just that most bolt on
keel boats I've looked at have water in the bilge meaning the bolts/nuts
will stay wet most of the time (probably mainly rainwater/condensation I
guess), so it seems like I should be concerned.

It's interesting also that after a lot of discussion with the Ericson guys
(also a great group of owners, like this group), one of the features of the
newer Ericson designs which improves comfort is the flared bow (the 80s
models), something which the C 35-2 also has. Walking up to this 35-2 a
few days ago just reminded me why I was so attracted to it originally. Yes,
there are a few things I would do differently, but it's basically ready to
sail, as is.
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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Ted Drossos via CnC-List]

That's a nice looking 36 especially for its age. I was surprised to see a 
tiller and not a wheel. Not a negative, just an observation.
Ted DrossosC 110Lady in Red Long Island, NY___

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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[sender via CnC-List]

Shawn:
Did you see this?
https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/boa/d/surrey-psyche-is-for-sale/6792109649.html

Same year & model as mine.
Eric

On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 5:19 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I've not been on a 27, but I am assuming they will be too small for our
> needs, as that it what everyone says about the Catalina 27 (which I also
> haven't been aboard). I liked the 26, but it was the first boat I looked
> at, and everything since has been larger. The CS27 seemed pretty cramped,
> but the double settee was also pulled out when I looked at it. The awful
> v-berth/head door contraption on that one turned me off. I think the
> Nicholson 31/35 sliding doors are the best solution I've seen, although
> need to make sure they are locked in rough seas!
>
> I don't know how accurate this is, but it shows the 27MK2 as very tender,
> while the Mk1 is very stiff. Not sure where the others fall.
>
> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm
>
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 10:53 AM Paul Baker via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> The 27 would also fit the bill. Mk1/2 are stiffer than the 3/4, but the
>> 3/4 are better in light air. Mk5 is a whole different thing.
>> --
>> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Ronald B.
>> Frerker via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* January 10, 2019 12:23:29 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Ronald B. Frerker
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions
>>
>> I agree.  We had/have three 26s on Carlyle and they're very good boats.
>> The MacGregors are really poorly done and extremely lightly built boats.  I
>> had the 21 as my first boat and comparing it to my next boat, a San Juan
>> 24, was comparing apples and oranges.
>> It's like comparing driving a WW II jeep to a Mercedes.
>> It seems to me, that you should really look at the C 30-1.  While not
>> the greatest in light air for racing, it does move and it can really stand
>> up to a blow.  It responds well, doing exactly what you expect it to do.
>> There were a lot sold, so easier to find and the prices quite frankly are
>> way too cheap.
>> I would look for one with a diesel.
>> Of course, I'm a bit prejudiced since I sail one.
>> If/when I step up, it would be the 35-2.  I raced/cruised on one and it
>> was great and a really beautiful boat to look at.
>> Ron
>> Wild Cheri
>> C 30-1
>> STL
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 10, 2019, 12:00:21 PM CST, Pete Shelquist via
>> CnC-List  wrote:
>>
>>
>> I wouldn’t compare the 26 to a MacGregor.
>>
>>
>>
>> It sounds like you need to get out sailing different boats more to help
>> you decide what’s important, or not.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Shawn
>> Wright via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2019 11:13 AM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Shawn Wright 
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, I am trying to focus on the boat first, starting with a solid
>> hull/deck/rig and a sound design. So far, I have yet to come across a boat
>> with all of these factors - they are usually deficient in one or more
>> areas, with sails being the most common. The last two boats I looked at
>> were mainly motored, so sails were original and they had no furlers. In
>> fact, nearly all the boats I've seen had original or at least 20+ year old
>> sails. The C 37 had a brand new racing main and about 8 other sails, but
>> the boat was a mess. Around here, winds are very light and fickle in the
>> summer, when most people cruise, so many boats are mainly motored unless
>> they venture beyond the inside passage.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's a shame the C 26 isn't a bit stiffer, as it was the first boat I
>> looked at in July, in really nice conditon, and I could have got it for $8K
>> and been sailing already. But it had a wheel, and was really tight in the
>> cockpit as a result, and the idea of a very tender boat doesn't thrill me
>> after sailing a friend's MacGregor.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't want luxury (we've camped as a family of 4 in a Westfalia for 20
>> years), but we will need space for 2 adults to be comfortable inside on
>> rainy days, and to also sail/motor in rough conditions in reasonable
>> comfort. Anything 27'+ has what we need usually, so it's just a matter of
>> getting a solid boat with decent engine, sails and no major flaws that I
>> can't fix easily fix. I am prepared to put in the 

Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

 I sailed on a friends Cat 27 and it was very narrow; more like a Pearson 26 in 
size.  The C 26 is a very wide boat, so much more room.RonWild CheriC 
30-1STL

On Sunday, January 13, 2019, 7:19:55 AM CST, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 I've not been on a 27, but I am assuming they will be too small for our needs, 
as that it what everyone says about the Catalina 27 (which I also haven't been 
aboard). I liked the 26, but it was the first boat I looked at, and everything 
since has been larger. The CS27 seemed pretty cramped, but the double settee 
was also pulled out when I looked at it. The awful v-berth/head door 
contraption on that one turned me off. I think the Nicholson 31/35 sliding 
doors are the best solution I've seen, although need to make sure they are 
locked in rough seas!
I don't know how accurate this is, but it shows the 27MK2 as very tender, while 
the Mk1 is very stiff. Not sure where the others fall. 
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm


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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

No worries. The Catalina 30 is hard to beat for interior space, but the C 
will out-sail and out-last it in every way, and I know which one I'd rather be 
on if the weather turned to crap and I was relying on the boat to keep me safe.
An old saying I try to live by "always approach the dock at the speed you want 
to hit it".


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Shawn Wright via 
CnC-List 
Sent: January 13, 2019 7:53 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

Hi Paul,

Thanks for the clarification on the 27 models, good to know. I looked at very 
nice (nearly mint) 1981 30' today, so it's good to know the 27 interior is much 
the same. It felt quite cramped to me, but this is probably because the last 
two boats I've been aboard are a C 35-2 and a Catalina 30. This 30' was the 
cleanest example topsides of any boat I've seen - the decks looked like new. I 
couldn't believe they hadn't been re-coated or painted, as the anti skid wasn't 
even worn. I looked everywhere and could see no signs of being painted. The 
only flaws were cracks at corners of anchor locker, a few small cracks at 
stanchion bases, and some sheet burn on the cockpit coamings. Nicely done 
synthetic teak sole on the cockpit looked good, and newer teak and holly sole 
inside. The only weaknesses I could find were the RWC 2QM engine, and fairly 
worn sails/covers. Asking $24K CAD.

We had just looked the Cat 30, so the C seemed a lot more cramped (headroom 
at vberth entrance much lower, and I'm only 5'8"), and of course the split 
galley layout is not as nice. It did have a nicely installed power windlass 
tucked inside anchor locker. It had newer frameless lexan ports, which is a 
shame, as I much prefer the older metal frame look.

As a starter boat, I would be afraid of damaging this boat the first time I 
screw up docking it (which will happen I'm sure)... it just seems to much like 
a new boat. I think I need a beater to start with... :)

Also not sure how resale will hold up, as these boats are not getting any 
younger. Although it is an '81, it's basically the same as a '71 layout and 
features.

Thanks


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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Hi Paul,

Thanks for the clarification on the 27 models, good to know. I looked at
very nice (nearly mint) 1981 30' today, so it's good to know the 27
interior is much the same. It felt quite cramped to me, but this is
probably because the last two boats I've been aboard are a C 35-2 and a
Catalina 30. This 30' was the cleanest example topsides of any boat I've
seen - the decks looked like new. I couldn't believe they hadn't been
re-coated or painted, as the anti skid wasn't even worn. I looked
everywhere and could see no signs of being painted. The only flaws were
cracks at corners of anchor locker, a few small cracks at stanchion bases,
and some sheet burn on the cockpit coamings. Nicely done synthetic teak
sole on the cockpit looked good, and newer teak and holly sole inside. The
only weaknesses I could find were the RWC 2QM engine, and fairly worn
sails/covers. Asking $24K CAD.

We had just looked the Cat 30, so the C seemed a lot more cramped
(headroom at vberth entrance much lower, and I'm only 5'8"), and of course
the split galley layout is not as nice. It did have a nicely installed
power windlass tucked inside anchor locker. It had newer frameless lexan
ports, which is a shame, as I much prefer the older metal frame look.

As a starter boat, I would be afraid of damaging this boat the first time I
screw up docking it (which will happen I'm sure)... it just seems to much
like a new boat. I think I need a beater to start with... :)

Also not sure how resale will hold up, as these boats are not getting any
younger. Although it is an '81, it's basically the same as a '71 layout and
features.

Thanks

On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 6:53 PM Paul Baker via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> You'd be hard pressed to know the difference between the 27 and 30
> interiors unless you sat them side-by-side. You asked for something
> comfortable for 2 adults to be inside on rainy days, either fits that
> requirement easily. The stability diagram you linked to shows the C
> designations for the 27. The Mk1 is the Mk1 in either designation. The
> Mk1TM on that diagram is the Mk2 to everyone else, the MkII on that diagram
> is the Mk3/4, and the New 27 is the MkV. Clear eh? 
> Just saying, lots of people buy more boat than they need and then never
> end up sailing because they bought too much boat. Cost for boat bits go up
> exponentially with boat size of course.
> Enjoy whatever you end up with!
>
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Shawn
> Wright via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* January 11, 2019 11:08 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Shawn Wright
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions
>
> I've not been on a 27, but I am assuming they will be too small for our
> needs, as that it what everyone says about the Catalina 27 (which I also
> haven't been aboard). I liked the 26, but it was the first boat I looked
> at, and everything since has been larger. The CS27 seemed pretty cramped,
> but the double settee was also pulled out when I looked at it. The awful
> v-berth/head door contraption on that one turned me off. I think the
> Nicholson 31/35 sliding doors are the best solution I've seen, although
> need to make sure they are locked in rough seas!
>
> I don't know how accurate this is, but it shows the 27MK2 as very tender,
> while the Mk1 is very stiff. Not sure where the others fall.
>
> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm
>
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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

You'd be hard pressed to know the difference between the 27 and 30 interiors 
unless you sat them side-by-side. You asked for something comfortable for 2 
adults to be inside on rainy days, either fits that requirement easily. The 
stability diagram you linked to shows the C designations for the 27. The Mk1 
is the Mk1 in either designation. The Mk1TM on that diagram is the Mk2 to 
everyone else, the MkII on that diagram is the Mk3/4, and the New 27 is the 
MkV. Clear eh? 
Just saying, lots of people buy more boat than they need and then never end up 
sailing because they bought too much boat. Cost for boat bits go up 
exponentially with boat size of course.
Enjoy whatever you end up with!



From: CnC-List  on behalf of Shawn Wright via 
CnC-List 
Sent: January 11, 2019 11:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

I've not been on a 27, but I am assuming they will be too small for our needs, 
as that it what everyone says about the Catalina 27 (which I also haven't been 
aboard). I liked the 26, but it was the first boat I looked at, and everything 
since has been larger. The CS27 seemed pretty cramped, but the double settee 
was also pulled out when I looked at it. The awful v-berth/head door 
contraption on that one turned me off. I think the Nicholson 31/35 sliding 
doors are the best solution I've seen, although need to make sure they are 
locked in rough seas!

I don't know how accurate this is, but it shows the 27MK2 as very tender, while 
the Mk1 is very stiff. Not sure where the others fall.

http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 10:53 AM Paul Baker via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
The 27 would also fit the bill. Mk1/2 are stiffer than the 3/4, but the 3/4 are 
better in light air. Mk5 is a whole different thing.

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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

I've not been on a 27, but I am assuming they will be too small for our
needs, as that it what everyone says about the Catalina 27 (which I also
haven't been aboard). I liked the 26, but it was the first boat I looked
at, and everything since has been larger. The CS27 seemed pretty cramped,
but the double settee was also pulled out when I looked at it. The awful
v-berth/head door contraption on that one turned me off. I think the
Nicholson 31/35 sliding doors are the best solution I've seen, although
need to make sure they are locked in rough seas!

I don't know how accurate this is, but it shows the 27MK2 as very tender,
while the Mk1 is very stiff. Not sure where the others fall.

http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 10:53 AM Paul Baker via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The 27 would also fit the bill. Mk1/2 are stiffer than the 3/4, but the
> 3/4 are better in light air. Mk5 is a whole different thing.
> --
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Ronald B.
> Frerker via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* January 10, 2019 12:23:29 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Ronald B. Frerker
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions
>
> I agree.  We had/have three 26s on Carlyle and they're very good boats.
> The MacGregors are really poorly done and extremely lightly built boats.  I
> had the 21 as my first boat and comparing it to my next boat, a San Juan
> 24, was comparing apples and oranges.
> It's like comparing driving a WW II jeep to a Mercedes.
> It seems to me, that you should really look at the C 30-1.  While not
> the greatest in light air for racing, it does move and it can really stand
> up to a blow.  It responds well, doing exactly what you expect it to do.
> There were a lot sold, so easier to find and the prices quite frankly are
> way too cheap.
> I would look for one with a diesel.
> Of course, I'm a bit prejudiced since I sail one.
> If/when I step up, it would be the 35-2.  I raced/cruised on one and it
> was great and a really beautiful boat to look at.
> Ron
> Wild Cheri
> C 30-1
> STL
>
>
> On Thursday, January 10, 2019, 12:00:21 PM CST, Pete Shelquist via
> CnC-List  wrote:
>
>
> I wouldn’t compare the 26 to a MacGregor.
>
>
>
> It sounds like you need to get out sailing different boats more to help
> you decide what’s important, or not.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Shawn
> Wright via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2019 11:13 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Shawn Wright 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions
>
>
>
> Yes, I am trying to focus on the boat first, starting with a solid
> hull/deck/rig and a sound design. So far, I have yet to come across a boat
> with all of these factors - they are usually deficient in one or more
> areas, with sails being the most common. The last two boats I looked at
> were mainly motored, so sails were original and they had no furlers. In
> fact, nearly all the boats I've seen had original or at least 20+ year old
> sails. The C 37 had a brand new racing main and about 8 other sails, but
> the boat was a mess. Around here, winds are very light and fickle in the
> summer, when most people cruise, so many boats are mainly motored unless
> they venture beyond the inside passage.
>
>
>
> It's a shame the C 26 isn't a bit stiffer, as it was the first boat I
> looked at in July, in really nice conditon, and I could have got it for $8K
> and been sailing already. But it had a wheel, and was really tight in the
> cockpit as a result, and the idea of a very tender boat doesn't thrill me
> after sailing a friend's MacGregor.
>
>
>
> I don't want luxury (we've camped as a family of 4 in a Westfalia for 20
> years), but we will need space for 2 adults to be comfortable inside on
> rainy days, and to also sail/motor in rough conditions in reasonable
> comfort. Anything 27'+ has what we need usually, so it's just a matter of
> getting a solid boat with decent engine, sails and no major flaws that I
> can't fix easily fix. I am prepared to put in the work if the price is
> right; in fact I would prefer it, as I have lots of time, being retired. I
> am not afraid of engine work, so a rebuild doesn't scare me, but the price
> would have to reflect the amount of work needed.
>
>
>
> Thanks for all the tips!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:49 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> If this is what you want:
>
>
>
> "I just want a boat I can sail, and feel safe and confident in."
>
>
>
> For 25k, what I would be focusing on is a bare bones boat - forget about
> water makers, solar p

Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Hi Russ,

Sorry you had to let your 35 go, but thanks for sharing some details. When
I first started looking last May/June there were a lot more boats, so I
assume that will happen again soon. $10K for a 35? I'd be all over that. I
looked at the 37 at SALTS last month (Tigger J), they were asking 18K but
it has soggy decks and not really cared for. But a good inventory of sails,
some brand new. I haven't seen it appear on their site, so either it sold,
or they are spending some time fixing it up to sell for more. The valuation
survey pointed out soggy decks and also a missing keel nut. Apparently it
has a custom deep keel for racing. Didn't get a good feel for it, seemed
like it was raced hard and put away wet. But still quite a bit of boat for
the money.


On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 8:27 AM Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Shawn,
>
> Thanks for the update on Calisto. I almost went down to Esquimalt for a
> look, but better sense got ahold of me.
>
> You see, I sold my beloved 35 mk-1, *Sweet*, last summer because of a
> cruising boat project sitting in my yard. It is no good owning 2 boats. I
> have done that three times now.
> And I have a '83 Westy with the original 1.9 lt waterboxer engine @
> 400,000 km that I need to pull apart for a look some time (before it gives
> me trouble).
>
> I guess last summer you couldn't give a boat away. I let Sweet go for $22k
> and she was in sail-away condition with a perfect Storch Sails tri-radial
> main, furling, refrig, diesel *w *feathering prop, leather upholstery and
> looked great.
> A 30 mk-1 at my Club in perfect condition went for $10k. The old guy
> hardly ever sailed the boat, maybe twice a year, but spent hours each
> weekend puttering around on things like varnish and trinkets.
>
> There is another 30 mk-1 at the Club that was for sale last year that I
> can ask about the next time I'm there. I know of a Peterson 39 but it is a
> little more than $30k.
>
> Cheers, Russ
> ex-* Sweet*, 35 mk-1
>
> P.S. the cruising boat in the yard is a William Atkins design, Margery
> Daw. It is worlds away from a C design.
>
> At 09:12 AM 1/10/2019, you wrote:
>
> Yes, I am trying to focus on the boat first, starting with a solid
> hull/deck/rig and a sound design. So far, I have yet to come across a boat
> with all of these factors - they are usually deficient in one or more
> areas, with sails being the most common. The last two boats I looked at
> were mainly motored, so sails were original and they had no furlers. In
> fact, nearly all the boats I've seen had original or at least 20+ year old
> sails. The C 37 had a brand new racing main and about 8 other sails, but
> the boat was a mess. Around here, winds are very light and fickle in the
> summer, when most people cruise, so many boats are mainly motored unless
> they venture beyond the inside passage.
>
> It's a shame the C 26 isn't a bit stiffer, as it was the first boat I
> looked at in July, in really nice conditon, and I could have got it for $8K
> and been sailing already. But it had a wheel, and was really tight in the
> cockpit as a result, and the idea of a very tender boat doesn't thrill me
> after sailing a friend's MacGregor.Â
>
> I don't want luxury (we've camped as a family of 4 in a Westfalia for 20
> years), but we will need space for 2 adults to be comfortable inside on
> rainy days, and to also sail/motor in rough conditions in reasonable
> comfort. Anything 27'+ has what we need usually, so it's just a matter of
> getting a solid boat with decent engine, sails and no major flaws that I
> can't fix easily fix. I am prepared to put in the work if the price is
> right; in fact I would prefer it, as I have lots of time, being retired. I
> am not afraid of engine work, so a rebuild doesn't scare me, but the price
> would have to reflect the amount of work needed.
>
> Thanks for all the tips!
>
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>
>

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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

The 27 would also fit the bill. Mk1/2 are stiffer than the 3/4, but the 3/4 are 
better in light air. Mk5 is a whole different thing.

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Ronald B. Frerker 
via CnC-List 
Sent: January 10, 2019 12:23:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

I agree.  We had/have three 26s on Carlyle and they're very good boats.  The 
MacGregors are really poorly done and extremely lightly built boats.  I had the 
21 as my first boat and comparing it to my next boat, a San Juan 24, was 
comparing apples and oranges.
It's like comparing driving a WW II jeep to a Mercedes.
It seems to me, that you should really look at the C 30-1.  While not the 
greatest in light air for racing, it does move and it can really stand up to a 
blow.  It responds well, doing exactly what you expect it to do.  There were a 
lot sold, so easier to find and the prices quite frankly are way too cheap.
I would look for one with a diesel.
Of course, I'm a bit prejudiced since I sail one.
If/when I step up, it would be the 35-2.  I raced/cruised on one and it was 
great and a really beautiful boat to look at.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C 30-1
STL


On Thursday, January 10, 2019, 12:00:21 PM CST, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
 wrote:



I wouldn’t compare the 26 to a MacGregor.



It sounds like you need to get out sailing different boats more to help you 
decide what’s important, or not.







From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Shawn Wright via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 11:13 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions



Yes, I am trying to focus on the boat first, starting with a solid 
hull/deck/rig and a sound design. So far, I have yet to come across a boat with 
all of these factors - they are usually deficient in one or more areas, with 
sails being the most common. The last two boats I looked at were mainly 
motored, so sails were original and they had no furlers. In fact, nearly all 
the boats I've seen had original or at least 20+ year old sails. The C 37 had 
a brand new racing main and about 8 other sails, but the boat was a mess. 
Around here, winds are very light and fickle in the summer, when most people 
cruise, so many boats are mainly motored unless they venture beyond the inside 
passage.



It's a shame the C 26 isn't a bit stiffer, as it was the first boat I looked 
at in July, in really nice conditon, and I could have got it for $8K and been 
sailing already. But it had a wheel, and was really tight in the cockpit as a 
result, and the idea of a very tender boat doesn't thrill me after sailing a 
friend's MacGregor.



I don't want luxury (we've camped as a family of 4 in a Westfalia for 20 
years), but we will need space for 2 adults to be comfortable inside on rainy 
days, and to also sail/motor in rough conditions in reasonable comfort. 
Anything 27'+ has what we need usually, so it's just a matter of getting a 
solid boat with decent engine, sails and no major flaws that I can't fix easily 
fix. I am prepared to put in the work if the price is right; in fact I would 
prefer it, as I have lots of time, being retired. I am not afraid of engine 
work, so a rebuild doesn't scare me, but the price would have to reflect the 
amount of work needed.



Thanks for all the tips!



On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:49 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

If this is what you want:



"I just want a boat I can sail, and feel safe and confident in."



For 25k, what I would be focusing on is a bare bones boat - forget about water 
makers, solar panels, and the rest of it. That's just like, my opinion, man. So 
take it for what it's worth. I would avoid that boat at all costs, though I do 
love the MKII. You can cruise without that stuff, it's all just "nice to 
haves". Add as you can down the road. Get a seaworthy boat with solid rigging, 
no soft decks, good sails and a well maintained engine - done. Out here on the 
Lakes there are a lot of racing boats, they are hit or miss. Some of them are 
raced hard and put away wet, others are raced hard and very well cared for. I 
would look for the latter.



Steve







On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 11:04 AM David via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

FYI.



All those power take-offs incrementally reduce the usable HP of the engine, 
presumable sized with one take off, not four.



I chose a 80 amp alternator upgrade in lieu of a 110 amp as I was told by 
Balmar that it might be more relative HP (10%) than you want to lose.  Many of 
our power-plants were not sized on the high side to begin with.



And my only experience with a Pathfinder diesel was not good.



Any boat that gives you a vibe like that...run.  Imagine the stuff/poor 
workmanship you cant see?



David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC

(401) 419-4650

Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Shawn,

Thanks for the update on Calisto. I almost went 
down to Esquimalt for a look, but better sense got ahold of me.


You see, I sold my beloved 35 mk-1, Sweet, last 
summer because of a cruising boat project sitting 
in my yard. It is no good owning 2 boats. I have done that three times now.
And I have a '83 Westy with the original 1.9 lt 
waterboxer engine @ 400,000 km that I need to 
pull apart for a look some time (before it gives me trouble).


I guess last summer you couldn't give a boat 
away. I let Sweet go for $22k and she was in 
sail-away condition with a perfect Storch Sails 
tri-radial main, furling, refrig, diesel w 
feathering prop, leather upholstery and looked great.
A 30 mk-1 at my Club in perfect condition went 
for $10k. The old guy hardly ever sailed the 
boat, maybe twice a year, but spent hours each 
weekend puttering around on things like varnish and trinkets.


There is another 30 mk-1 at the Club that was for 
sale last year that I can ask about the next time 
I'm there. I know of a Peterson 39 but it is a little more than $30k.


Cheers, Russ
ex-Sweet, 35 mk-1

P.S. the cruising boat in the yard is a William 
Atkins design, Margery Daw. It is worlds away from a C design.


At 09:12 AM 1/10/2019, you wrote:
Yes, I am trying to focus on the boat first, 
starting with a solid hull/deck/rig and a sound 
design. So far, I have yet to come across a boat 
with all of these factors - they are usually 
deficient in one or more areas, with sails being 
the most common. The last two boats I looked at 
were mainly motored, so sails were original and 
they had no furlers. In fact, nearly all the 
boats I've seen had original or at least 20+ 
year old sails. The C 37 had a brand new 
racing main and about 8 other sails, but the 
boat was a mess. Around here, winds are very 
light and fickle in the summer, when most people 
cruise, so many boats are mainly motored unless 
they venture beyond the inside passage.


It's a shame the C 26 isn't a bit stiffer, as 
it was the first boat I looked at in July, in 
really nice conditon, and I could have got it 
for $8K and been sailing already. But it had a 
wheel, and was really tight in the cockpit as a 
result, and the idea of a very tender boat 
doesn't thrill me after sailing a friend's MacGregor.Â


I don't want luxury (we've camped as a family of 
4 in a Westfalia for 20 years), but we will need 
space for 2 adults to be comfortable inside on 
rainy days, and to also sail/motor in rough 
conditions in reasonable comfort. Anything 27'+ 
has what we need usually, so it's just a matter 
of getting a solid boat with decent engine, 
sails and no major flaws that I can't fix easily 
fix. I am prepared to put in the work if the 
price is right; in fact I would prefer it, as I 
have lots of time, being retired. I am not 
afraid of engine work, so a rebuild doesn't 
scare me, but the price would have to reflect the amount of work needed.


Thanks for all the tips!
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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

 I agree.  We had/have three 26s on Carlyle and they're very good boats.  The 
MacGregors are really poorly done and extremely lightly built boats.  I had the 
21 as my first boat and comparing it to my next boat, a San Juan 24, was 
comparing apples and oranges.It's like comparing driving a WW II jeep to a 
Mercedes.It seems to me, that you should really look at the C 30-1.  While 
not the greatest in light air for racing, it does move and it can really stand 
up to a blow.  It responds well, doing exactly what you expect it to do.  There 
were a lot sold, so easier to find and the prices quite frankly are way too 
cheap.I would look for one with a diesel.Of course, I'm a bit prejudiced since 
I sail one.If/when I step up, it would be the 35-2.  I raced/cruised on one and 
it was great and a really beautiful boat to look at.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL

On Thursday, January 10, 2019, 12:00:21 PM CST, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 
I wouldn’t compare the 26 to a MacGregor.  

  

It sounds like you need to get out sailing different boats more to help you 
decide what’s important, or not. 

  

  

  

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Shawn Wright via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 11:13 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

  

Yes, I am trying to focus on the boat first, starting with a solid 
hull/deck/rig and a sound design. So far, I have yet to come across a boat with 
all of these factors - they are usually deficient in one or more areas, with 
sails being the most common. The last two boats I looked at were mainly 
motored, so sails were original and they had no furlers. In fact, nearly all 
the boats I've seen had original or at least 20+ year old sails. The C 37 had 
a brand new racing main and about 8 other sails, but the boat was a mess. 
Around here, winds are very light and fickle in the summer, when most people 
cruise, so many boats are mainly motored unless they venture beyond the inside 
passage.

  

It's a shame the C 26 isn't a bit stiffer, as it was the first boat I looked 
at in July, in really nice conditon, and I could have got it for $8K and been 
sailing already. But it had a wheel, and was really tight in the cockpit as a 
result, and the idea of a very tender boat doesn't thrill me after sailing a 
friend's MacGregor. 

  

I don't want luxury (we've camped as a family of 4 in a Westfalia for 20 
years), but we will need space for 2 adults to be comfortable inside on rainy 
days, and to also sail/motor in rough conditions in reasonable comfort. 
Anything 27'+ has what we need usually, so it's just a matter of getting a 
solid boat with decent engine, sails and no major flaws that I can't fix easily 
fix. I am prepared to put in the work if the price is right; in fact I would 
prefer it, as I have lots of time, being retired. I am not afraid of engine 
work, so a rebuild doesn't scare me, but the price would have to reflect the 
amount of work needed.

  

Thanks for all the tips!

  

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:49 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
 wrote:


If this is what you want:

  

"I just want a boat I can sail, and feel safe and confident in."

  

For 25k, what I would be focusing on is a bare bones boat - forget about water 
makers, solar panels, and the rest of it. That's just like, my opinion, man. So 
take it for what it's worth. I would avoid that boat at all costs, though I do 
love the MKII. You can cruise without that stuff, it's all just "nice to 
haves". Add as you can down the road. Get a seaworthy boat with solid rigging, 
no soft decks, good sails and a well maintained engine - done. Out here on the 
Lakes there are a lot of racing boats, they are hit or miss. Some of them are 
raced hard and put away wet, others are raced hard and very well cared for. I 
would look for the latter. 

  

Steve

  

  

  

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 11:04 AM David via CnC-List  
wrote:


FYI.

  

All those power take-offs incrementally reduce the usable HP of the engine, 
presumable sized with one take off, not four.  

  

I chose a 80 amp alternator upgrade in lieu of a 110 amp as I was told by 
Balmar that it might be more relative HP (10%) than you want to lose.  Many of 
our power-plants were not sized on the high side to begin with.

  

And my only experience with a Pathfinder diesel was not good.  

  

Any boat that gives you a vibe like that...run.  Imagine the stuff/poor 
workmanship you cant see?

  

David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC  

(401) 419-4650 

  

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Shawn Wright via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 10:54 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions 

 

Just a bit more info on the C 35-2 'Callisto' that I viewed last week and 
decided to pass on. My wife had the same feeling, but hers was based mainly on 
the interior (which I didn't think was that bad), aside

Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Lee Youngblood via CnC-List]

Hi All,

Don’t pay any attention to Dwight or me!  We love our boats so much we let this 
thread wander along with the wrong heading, (1974 36 mk2) just to stay under 
the radar.  You see we both have 1974 C 35-II’s and know just what an anomaly 
they are in the C line.  Sure other boats are faster, but nothing else has 
the same comfort and performance sweet spot.  Racing & Marketing wanted faster 
boats with flatter bottoms, but we are still in love with the ones we have. . .

OK I will shut up now!
Ha- Lee


 
> On Jan 10, 2019, at 4:59 02AM, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Correct the 35 mkii is very good in light air but that depends on good sails 
> and crew. And also very good in rough seas. The motion comfort factor from 
> the sailing calculator on the cncphotoalbum site predicts very good 
> performance for its length and displacement in rough seas. It is particulary 
> slippery downwind because of that 30 ft 3 inch water line length. Also i 
> happen to really like the boats shear lines and the ample use of teak below 
> decks all fit together flawlessly by what must have been a very good marine 
> carpenter. 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:49 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> I was really focused on rough weather performance when I was shopping but the 
> reality was much different. After some foolhardy excursions we chose not to 
> sail in rough conditions, it wasn't fun. Out there on the West coast you 
> might not have the choice all the time. This is something I would consider 
> more carefully next time I buy. We're coastal cruisers, most anything will do 
> if you pay attention to the weather. I would take that Westsnail completely 
> off the list.
> 
> The CS 36T is a fabulous boat, that's on my short list for next. But I love 
> C, and they're cheaper. 
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 7:04 AM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Try looking at a 34.  Love ours.  We are second owner and had her for 20 
> years.  Great in all conditions excels in light air.  Well built.  
> Traditional layout that just works well.  Large enough for hot water, stove 
> with oven, etc.  Easily handled by couple.  Cruise 4 very comfortably.  
> Normally have Yanmar diesels.  Later builds with (80 to 82) have better 
> interiors
> 
>  
> 
> John and Maryann
> 
> Legacy III
> 
> 1982 C 34
> 
> Noank, CT
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Rod Stright via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:19 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Rod Stright
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions
> 
>  
> 
> In my view, although older, the C 35 Mark 2 is a great all round boat.  We 
> won our class in the Marblehead to Halifax Ocean race in light airs, and on 
> the trip down in strong headwinds and rough seas, the flare forward kept the 
> bow from submarining into the waves when much larger boats couldn’t cope and 
> had to motor sail much slower.  The flare also deflected the waves back down 
> into the sea making for a much dryer ride than other boats.  A lot of room 
> below compared to the 35 mark 1 (3 feet longer on the waterline as I recall). 
>  Very well built hull, decks may have some soft spots but overall they seem 
> to have stood up fairly well.
> 
>  
> 
> Good luck!!
> 
>  
> 
> Rod Stright
> 
> C 99
> 
> Halifax
> 
>  
> 
> From: CnC-List  <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> On Behalf Of dwight veinot via 
> CnC-List
> Sent: January-10-19 5:55 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: dwight veinot mailto:dwight...@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions
> 
>  
> 
> Have you used the sailing calculator under technical info on the cncphoto 
> album site. It allows u to compare boats by the numbers. I have found it very 
> useful
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 12:59 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for the info. I've talked to brokers, but there are so few listings 
> around here that they don't have anything to show me. I have visited and 
> walked every dock within a 2 hour drive from here, but being on an island, 
> that's not a lot of boats, even with cruising grounds in our backyard. There 
> are new private listings starting to appear every day now, but nothing new at 
> the brokers yet. The problem is I have not nailed down what I wan

Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

I wouldn’t compare the 26 to a MacGregor.  

 

It sounds like you need to get out sailing different boats more to help you 
decide what’s important, or not. 

 

 

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Shawn Wright via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 11:13 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

 

Yes, I am trying to focus on the boat first, starting with a solid 
hull/deck/rig and a sound design. So far, I have yet to come across a boat with 
all of these factors - they are usually deficient in one or more areas, with 
sails being the most common. The last two boats I looked at were mainly 
motored, so sails were original and they had no furlers. In fact, nearly all 
the boats I've seen had original or at least 20+ year old sails. The C 37 had 
a brand new racing main and about 8 other sails, but the boat was a mess. 
Around here, winds are very light and fickle in the summer, when most people 
cruise, so many boats are mainly motored unless they venture beyond the inside 
passage.

 

It's a shame the C 26 isn't a bit stiffer, as it was the first boat I looked 
at in July, in really nice conditon, and I could have got it for $8K and been 
sailing already. But it had a wheel, and was really tight in the cockpit as a 
result, and the idea of a very tender boat doesn't thrill me after sailing a 
friend's MacGregor. 

 

I don't want luxury (we've camped as a family of 4 in a Westfalia for 20 
years), but we will need space for 2 adults to be comfortable inside on rainy 
days, and to also sail/motor in rough conditions in reasonable comfort. 
Anything 27'+ has what we need usually, so it's just a matter of getting a 
solid boat with decent engine, sails and no major flaws that I can't fix easily 
fix. I am prepared to put in the work if the price is right; in fact I would 
prefer it, as I have lots of time, being retired. I am not afraid of engine 
work, so a rebuild doesn't scare me, but the price would have to reflect the 
amount of work needed.

 

Thanks for all the tips!

 

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:49 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

If this is what you want:

 

"I just want a boat I can sail, and feel safe and confident in."

 

For 25k, what I would be focusing on is a bare bones boat - forget about water 
makers, solar panels, and the rest of it. That's just like, my opinion, man. So 
take it for what it's worth. I would avoid that boat at all costs, though I do 
love the MKII. You can cruise without that stuff, it's all just "nice to 
haves". Add as you can down the road. Get a seaworthy boat with solid rigging, 
no soft decks, good sails and a well maintained engine - done. Out here on the 
Lakes there are a lot of racing boats, they are hit or miss. Some of them are 
raced hard and put away wet, others are raced hard and very well cared for. I 
would look for the latter. 

 

Steve

 

 

 

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 11:04 AM David via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

FYI.

 

All those power take-offs incrementally reduce the usable HP of the engine, 
presumable sized with one take off, not four.  

 

I chose a 80 amp alternator upgrade in lieu of a 110 amp as I was told by 
Balmar that it might be more relative HP (10%) than you want to lose.  Many of 
our power-plants were not sized on the high side to begin with.

 

And my only experience with a Pathfinder diesel was not good.  

 

Any boat that gives you a vibe like that...run.  Imagine the stuff/poor 
workmanship you cant see?

 

David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC  

(401) 419-4650 

 

  _  

From: CnC-List mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> > on behalf of Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 10:54 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: Shawn Wright
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions 

 

Just a bit more info on the C 35-2 'Callisto' that I viewed last week and 
decided to pass on. My wife had the same feeling, but hers was based mainly on 
the interior (which I didn't think was that bad), aside from the 70s molded 
headliner (complete with many holes from wiring mods and the dodger, etc). That 
weekend I also was invited aboard another 35-2, so I had a feel for the 
interior already. I don't mind it, although I think I am changing my opinion of 
the dinette vs. drop-down table; having been on some boats with the drop-down, 
I prefer it as it can be out of the way quicker when not needed. 

 

Anyway, a few other unique things this boat had installed by the previous owner:

 

- water maker driven off engine pulley (he owns a watermaker company) and 
installed in box to starboard of engine at sole level

- engine driven bilge pump in addition to two electric and manual. Not sure how 
it is engaged/disengaged

- dual 65A alternators - all those extra belts a

Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

For comparison, I looked at this '81 36' last month:

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1981/c-c-36-3240850/?refSource=standard%20listing

Interior seemed very basic, with too much plastic, and the window openings
looked like they forgot to add trim. The baggy fabric covers didn't help,
although I know this is easily fixed. I see it rates PHRF about the same as
the 35-2, despite 2.5' shorter LWL, but it's also 1800 lbs lighter, and 1'
wider. Maybe I should have another look? I don't recall condition of the
sails; at the time I was not impressed based on the $35k CAD asking price.

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 9:12 AM Shawn Wright  wrote:

> Yes, I am trying to focus on the boat first, starting with a solid
> hull/deck/rig and a sound design. So far, I have yet to come across a boat
> with all of these factors - they are usually deficient in one or more
> areas, with sails being the most common. The last two boats I looked at
> were mainly motored, so sails were original and they had no furlers. In
> fact, nearly all the boats I've seen had original or at least 20+ year old
> sails. The C 37 had a brand new racing main and about 8 other sails, but
> the boat was a mess. Around here, winds are very light and fickle in the
> summer, when most people cruise, so many boats are mainly motored unless
> they venture beyond the inside passage.
>
> It's a shame the C 26 isn't a bit stiffer, as it was the first boat I
> looked at in July, in really nice conditon, and I could have got it for $8K
> and been sailing already. But it had a wheel, and was really tight in the
> cockpit as a result, and the idea of a very tender boat doesn't thrill me
> after sailing a friend's MacGregor.
>
> I don't want luxury (we've camped as a family of 4 in a Westfalia for 20
> years), but we will need space for 2 adults to be comfortable inside on
> rainy days, and to also sail/motor in rough conditions in reasonable
> comfort. Anything 27'+ has what we need usually, so it's just a matter of
> getting a solid boat with decent engine, sails and no major flaws that I
> can't fix easily fix. I am prepared to put in the work if the price is
> right; in fact I would prefer it, as I have lots of time, being retired. I
> am not afraid of engine work, so a rebuild doesn't scare me, but the price
> would have to reflect the amount of work needed.
>
> Thanks for all the tips!
>
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:49 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> If this is what you want:
>>
>> "I just want a boat I can sail, and feel safe and confident in."
>>
>> For 25k, what I would be focusing on is a bare bones boat - forget about
>> water makers, solar panels, and the rest of it. That's just like, my
>> opinion, man. So take it for what it's worth. I would avoid that boat at
>> all costs, though I do love the MKII. You can cruise without that stuff,
>> it's all just "nice to haves". Add as you can down the road. Get a
>> seaworthy boat with solid rigging, no soft decks, good sails and a well
>> maintained engine - done. Out here on the Lakes there are a lot of racing
>> boats, they are hit or miss. Some of them are raced hard and put away wet,
>> others are raced hard and very well cared for. I would look for the latter.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 11:04 AM David via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> FYI.
>>>
>>> All those power take-offs incrementally reduce the usable HP of the
>>> engine, presumable sized with one take off, not four.
>>>
>>> I chose a 80 amp alternator upgrade in lieu of a 110 amp as I was told
>>> by Balmar that it might be more relative HP (10%) than you want to lose.
>>> Many of our power-plants were not sized on the high side to begin with.
>>>
>>> And my only experience with a Pathfinder diesel was not good.
>>>
>>> Any boat that gives you a vibe like that...run.  Imagine the stuff/poor
>>> workmanship you cant see?
>>>
>>> *David F. Risch, J. D.*
>>>
>>> *Gulf Stream Associates, LLC*
>>>
>>>
>>> *(401) 419-4650 *
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Shawn
>>> Wright via CnC-List 
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2019 10:54 AM
>>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> *Cc:* Shawn Wright
>>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions
>>>
>>> Just a bit more info on the C 35-2 'Callisto' that I viewed last week
>>> and decided to pass on. My wife had the same feeling, but hers was based
>>> mainly on

Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Yes, I am trying to focus on the boat first, starting with a solid
hull/deck/rig and a sound design. So far, I have yet to come across a boat
with all of these factors - they are usually deficient in one or more
areas, with sails being the most common. The last two boats I looked at
were mainly motored, so sails were original and they had no furlers. In
fact, nearly all the boats I've seen had original or at least 20+ year old
sails. The C 37 had a brand new racing main and about 8 other sails, but
the boat was a mess. Around here, winds are very light and fickle in the
summer, when most people cruise, so many boats are mainly motored unless
they venture beyond the inside passage.

It's a shame the C 26 isn't a bit stiffer, as it was the first boat I
looked at in July, in really nice conditon, and I could have got it for $8K
and been sailing already. But it had a wheel, and was really tight in the
cockpit as a result, and the idea of a very tender boat doesn't thrill me
after sailing a friend's MacGregor.

I don't want luxury (we've camped as a family of 4 in a Westfalia for 20
years), but we will need space for 2 adults to be comfortable inside on
rainy days, and to also sail/motor in rough conditions in reasonable
comfort. Anything 27'+ has what we need usually, so it's just a matter of
getting a solid boat with decent engine, sails and no major flaws that I
can't fix easily fix. I am prepared to put in the work if the price is
right; in fact I would prefer it, as I have lots of time, being retired. I
am not afraid of engine work, so a rebuild doesn't scare me, but the price
would have to reflect the amount of work needed.

Thanks for all the tips!

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:49 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> If this is what you want:
>
> "I just want a boat I can sail, and feel safe and confident in."
>
> For 25k, what I would be focusing on is a bare bones boat - forget about
> water makers, solar panels, and the rest of it. That's just like, my
> opinion, man. So take it for what it's worth. I would avoid that boat at
> all costs, though I do love the MKII. You can cruise without that stuff,
> it's all just "nice to haves". Add as you can down the road. Get a
> seaworthy boat with solid rigging, no soft decks, good sails and a well
> maintained engine - done. Out here on the Lakes there are a lot of racing
> boats, they are hit or miss. Some of them are raced hard and put away wet,
> others are raced hard and very well cared for. I would look for the latter.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 11:04 AM David via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>> FYI.
>>
>> All those power take-offs incrementally reduce the usable HP of the
>> engine, presumable sized with one take off, not four.
>>
>> I chose a 80 amp alternator upgrade in lieu of a 110 amp as I was told by
>> Balmar that it might be more relative HP (10%) than you want to lose.  Many
>> of our power-plants were not sized on the high side to begin with.
>>
>> And my only experience with a Pathfinder diesel was not good.
>>
>> Any boat that gives you a vibe like that...run.  Imagine the stuff/poor
>> workmanship you cant see?
>>
>> *David F. Risch, J. D.*
>>
>> *Gulf Stream Associates, LLC*
>>
>>
>> *(401) 419-4650 *
>>
>> --------------
>> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Shawn
>> Wright via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2019 10:54 AM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Shawn Wright
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions
>>
>> Just a bit more info on the C 35-2 'Callisto' that I viewed last week
>> and decided to pass on. My wife had the same feeling, but hers was based
>> mainly on the interior (which I didn't think was that bad), aside from the
>> 70s molded headliner (complete with many holes from wiring mods and the
>> dodger, etc). That weekend I also was invited aboard another 35-2, so I had
>> a feel for the interior already. I don't mind it, although I think I am
>> changing my opinion of the dinette vs. drop-down table; having been on some
>> boats with the drop-down, I prefer it as it can be out of the way quicker
>> when not needed.
>>
>> Anyway, a few other unique things this boat had installed by the previous
>> owner:
>>
>> - water maker driven off engine pulley (he owns a watermaker company) and
>> installed in box to starboard of engine at sole level
>> - engine driven bilge pump in addition to two electric and manual. Not
>> sure how it is engaged/disengaged
>> - dual 65A alternators - all those extra belts are a bit scary - 4
>> pulleys off the crank
>> - solar panels over cockpit af

Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Sounds nice, but a genset? I'd tear that out and sell it for sure!

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:46 AM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Shame you're on the West Coast.  There's a nice 35-1 for sale in Louisiana
> that's very well equipped.  (It's NOT Touche'!) See:
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1r3tWvusWOJozSlOu6XDUCEZ-nYCSvRhu
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 9:55 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Just a bit more info on the C 35-2 'Callisto' that I viewed last week
>> and decided to pass on. My wife had the same feeling, but hers was based
>> mainly on the interior (which I didn't think was that bad), aside from the
>> 70s molded headliner (complete with many holes from wiring mods and the
>> dodger, etc). That weekend I also was invited aboard another 35-2, so I had
>> a feel for the interior already. I don't mind it, although I think I am
>> changing my opinion of the dinette vs. drop-down table; having been on some
>> boats with the drop-down, I prefer it as it can be out of the way quicker
>> when not needed.
>>
>> Anyway, a few other unique things this boat had installed by the previous
>> owner:
>>
>> - water maker driven off engine pulley (he owns a watermaker company) and
>> installed in box to starboard of engine at sole level
>> - engine driven bilge pump in addition to two electric and manual. Not
>> sure how it is engaged/disengaged
>> - dual 65A alternators - all those extra belts are a bit scary - 4
>> pulleys off the crank
>> - solar panels over cockpit aft on very heavy aluminum I-beams, room for
>> 4 panels and 6x 6V batteries
>> - solent rig with dual furlers, apparently properly braced below deck,
>> although I didn't verify
>> - huge anchor and roller, along with stainless bow eye in hull - he
>> didn't want anchor to slip I guess. Possibly it was on a mooring buoy so
>> the bow eye would make sense.
>>
>> Although some things looked to be fairly well installed, others did not:
>> - poorly finished plywood battery box in port lazarette, along with
>> refrig unit covered in rust (probably not a marine grade unit)
>> - possibly the most annoying were all the holes in the molded headliner,
>> with exposed wiring junctions, etc. I assume some of the wiring is captive
>> so he decided to start cutting small holes. That and the holes for the
>> dodger mounting made it look like swiss cheese. Is the wiring that
>> difficult to upgrade up there? I'd probably try to cover the headliner with
>> panels of white and teak to hide all this, since I'm not a fan of molded
>> liners.
>>
>> The main problem with this boat is that even with all these 'upgrades' in
>> the past 2-3 years, everything from a safety standpoint (at a minimum)
>> becomes suspect to me based on the evidence of questionable workmanship
>> quality. The fact that the VW diesel injection pump was off being repaired
>> was another red flag. I know these engines very well, having rebuilt
>> several, and the injection pumps are bullet proof. Only two things will
>> cause this type of failure: bad fuel, and someone messing with them. My van
>> has an '86 engine with the original pump and >600k kms. It developed a leak
>> this year, but has otherwise been trouble free.
>>
>> It is a shame, because it seems like a solid boat, and the current owner
>> is a very nice guy, but I have too many projects already. I just want a
>> boat I can sail, and feel safe and confident in.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 2:56 PM Shawn Wright 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Had a look at the 35 mk2 in Victoria, and while it will be a great boat
>>> for someone, we've decided it's just not for us. There is a lot of value in
>>> recent upgrades, but the quality of workmanship is not quite what I'd like
>>> to see, and there is a bit too much complexity in the engine compartment,
>>> with dual alternators, watermaker, etc. Having now been on two 35s, I can
>>> say that it is still a contender on our list though. The owner is motivated
>>> to sell, so if you're interested, I can pass along his contact info.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 10:30 AM Shawn Wright 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for all the info. Going to look at the boat today, so I will
 report back. I was invited on board another '74 35 mk2 yesterday, after
 viewing a Catalina (am I allowed to say that here...?) 30 and a CS 27.
 Needless to say, I preferred the C, and it just made me more curious
 about Callisto. If the work done appears to be well executed and not a hack
 job. Will report back...

 On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 9:40 AM Dave S via CnC-List <
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Agree on condition and will add that it’s well Worth paying a bit more
> for a boat with recent upgrades, esp if they are the upgrades you’d make
> anyway.  (The Bimini you’d buy anyway is effectively  free in a used
> boat).

Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

If this is what you want:

"I just want a boat I can sail, and feel safe and confident in."

For 25k, what I would be focusing on is a bare bones boat - forget about
water makers, solar panels, and the rest of it. That's just like, my
opinion, man. So take it for what it's worth. I would avoid that boat at
all costs, though I do love the MKII. You can cruise without that stuff,
it's all just "nice to haves". Add as you can down the road. Get a
seaworthy boat with solid rigging, no soft decks, good sails and a well
maintained engine - done. Out here on the Lakes there are a lot of racing
boats, they are hit or miss. Some of them are raced hard and put away wet,
others are raced hard and very well cared for. I would look for the latter.

Steve



On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 11:04 AM David via CnC-List 
wrote:

> FYI.
>
> All those power take-offs incrementally reduce the usable HP of the
> engine, presumable sized with one take off, not four.
>
> I chose a 80 amp alternator upgrade in lieu of a 110 amp as I was told by
> Balmar that it might be more relative HP (10%) than you want to lose.  Many
> of our power-plants were not sized on the high side to begin with.
>
> And my only experience with a Pathfinder diesel was not good.
>
> Any boat that gives you a vibe like that...run.  Imagine the stuff/poor
> workmanship you cant see?
>
> *David F. Risch, J. D.*
>
> *Gulf Stream Associates, LLC*
>
>
> *(401) 419-4650 *
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Shawn
> Wright via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2019 10:54 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Shawn Wright
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions
>
> Just a bit more info on the C 35-2 'Callisto' that I viewed last week
> and decided to pass on. My wife had the same feeling, but hers was based
> mainly on the interior (which I didn't think was that bad), aside from the
> 70s molded headliner (complete with many holes from wiring mods and the
> dodger, etc). That weekend I also was invited aboard another 35-2, so I had
> a feel for the interior already. I don't mind it, although I think I am
> changing my opinion of the dinette vs. drop-down table; having been on some
> boats with the drop-down, I prefer it as it can be out of the way quicker
> when not needed.
>
> Anyway, a few other unique things this boat had installed by the previous
> owner:
>
> - water maker driven off engine pulley (he owns a watermaker company) and
> installed in box to starboard of engine at sole level
> - engine driven bilge pump in addition to two electric and manual. Not
> sure how it is engaged/disengaged
> - dual 65A alternators - all those extra belts are a bit scary - 4 pulleys
> off the crank
> - solar panels over cockpit aft on very heavy aluminum I-beams, room for 4
> panels and 6x 6V batteries
> - solent rig with dual furlers, apparently properly braced below deck,
> although I didn't verify
> - huge anchor and roller, along with stainless bow eye in hull - he didn't
> want anchor to slip I guess. Possibly it was on a mooring buoy so the bow
> eye would make sense.
>
> Although some things looked to be fairly well installed, others did not:
> - poorly finished plywood battery box in port lazarette, along with refrig
> unit covered in rust (probably not a marine grade unit)
> - possibly the most annoying were all the holes in the molded headliner,
> with exposed wiring junctions, etc. I assume some of the wiring is captive
> so he decided to start cutting small holes. That and the holes for the
> dodger mounting made it look like swiss cheese. Is the wiring that
> difficult to upgrade up there? I'd probably try to cover the headliner with
> panels of white and teak to hide all this, since I'm not a fan of molded
> liners.
>
> The main problem with this boat is that even with all these 'upgrades' in
> the past 2-3 years, everything from a safety standpoint (at a minimum)
> becomes suspect to me based on the evidence of questionable workmanship
> quality. The fact that the VW diesel injection pump was off being repaired
> was another red flag. I know these engines very well, having rebuilt
> several, and the injection pumps are bullet proof. Only two things will
> cause this type of failure: bad fuel, and someone messing with them. My van
> has an '86 engine with the original pump and >600k kms. It developed a leak
> this year, but has otherwise been trouble free.
>
> It is a shame, because it seems like a solid boat, and the current owner
> is a very nice guy, but I have too many projects already. I just want a
> boat I can sail, and feel safe and confident in.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 2:56 PM Shawn Wright 
> wrote:
>
> Hel

Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Shame you're on the West Coast.  There's a nice 35-1 for sale in Louisiana
that's very well equipped.  (It's NOT Touche'!) See:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1r3tWvusWOJozSlOu6XDUCEZ-nYCSvRhu

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 9:55 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Just a bit more info on the C 35-2 'Callisto' that I viewed last week
> and decided to pass on. My wife had the same feeling, but hers was based
> mainly on the interior (which I didn't think was that bad), aside from the
> 70s molded headliner (complete with many holes from wiring mods and the
> dodger, etc). That weekend I also was invited aboard another 35-2, so I had
> a feel for the interior already. I don't mind it, although I think I am
> changing my opinion of the dinette vs. drop-down table; having been on some
> boats with the drop-down, I prefer it as it can be out of the way quicker
> when not needed.
>
> Anyway, a few other unique things this boat had installed by the previous
> owner:
>
> - water maker driven off engine pulley (he owns a watermaker company) and
> installed in box to starboard of engine at sole level
> - engine driven bilge pump in addition to two electric and manual. Not
> sure how it is engaged/disengaged
> - dual 65A alternators - all those extra belts are a bit scary - 4 pulleys
> off the crank
> - solar panels over cockpit aft on very heavy aluminum I-beams, room for 4
> panels and 6x 6V batteries
> - solent rig with dual furlers, apparently properly braced below deck,
> although I didn't verify
> - huge anchor and roller, along with stainless bow eye in hull - he didn't
> want anchor to slip I guess. Possibly it was on a mooring buoy so the bow
> eye would make sense.
>
> Although some things looked to be fairly well installed, others did not:
> - poorly finished plywood battery box in port lazarette, along with refrig
> unit covered in rust (probably not a marine grade unit)
> - possibly the most annoying were all the holes in the molded headliner,
> with exposed wiring junctions, etc. I assume some of the wiring is captive
> so he decided to start cutting small holes. That and the holes for the
> dodger mounting made it look like swiss cheese. Is the wiring that
> difficult to upgrade up there? I'd probably try to cover the headliner with
> panels of white and teak to hide all this, since I'm not a fan of molded
> liners.
>
> The main problem with this boat is that even with all these 'upgrades' in
> the past 2-3 years, everything from a safety standpoint (at a minimum)
> becomes suspect to me based on the evidence of questionable workmanship
> quality. The fact that the VW diesel injection pump was off being repaired
> was another red flag. I know these engines very well, having rebuilt
> several, and the injection pumps are bullet proof. Only two things will
> cause this type of failure: bad fuel, and someone messing with them. My van
> has an '86 engine with the original pump and >600k kms. It developed a leak
> this year, but has otherwise been trouble free.
>
> It is a shame, because it seems like a solid boat, and the current owner
> is a very nice guy, but I have too many projects already. I just want a
> boat I can sail, and feel safe and confident in.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 2:56 PM Shawn Wright 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Had a look at the 35 mk2 in Victoria, and while it will be a great boat
>> for someone, we've decided it's just not for us. There is a lot of value in
>> recent upgrades, but the quality of workmanship is not quite what I'd like
>> to see, and there is a bit too much complexity in the engine compartment,
>> with dual alternators, watermaker, etc. Having now been on two 35s, I can
>> say that it is still a contender on our list though. The owner is motivated
>> to sell, so if you're interested, I can pass along his contact info.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 10:30 AM Shawn Wright 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for all the info. Going to look at the boat today, so I will
>>> report back. I was invited on board another '74 35 mk2 yesterday, after
>>> viewing a Catalina (am I allowed to say that here...?) 30 and a CS 27.
>>> Needless to say, I preferred the C, and it just made me more curious
>>> about Callisto. If the work done appears to be well executed and not a hack
>>> job. Will report back...
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 9:40 AM Dave S via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 Agree on condition and will add that it’s well Worth paying a bit more
 for a boat with recent upgrades, esp if they are the upgrades you’d make
 anyway.  (The Bimini you’d buy anyway is effectively  free in a used
 boat).
 35-2 was on my shortlist when I bought my 33-2.
 Vs Toronto area Price seems a bit high (as you’d expect from any
 seller) but cash is king  he’s seeking reasonable offers.
 Looks like the boat has already been equipped for the uses you have

Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[David via CnC-List]

FYI.

All those power take-offs incrementally reduce the usable HP of the engine, 
presumable sized with one take off, not four.

I chose a 80 amp alternator upgrade in lieu of a 110 amp as I was told by 
Balmar that it might be more relative HP (10%) than you want to lose.  Many of 
our power-plants were not sized on the high side to begin with.

And my only experience with a Pathfinder diesel was not good.

Any boat that gives you a vibe like that...run.  Imagine the stuff/poor 
workmanship you cant see?


David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC

(401) 419-4650


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Shawn Wright via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 10:54 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

Just a bit more info on the C 35-2 'Callisto' that I viewed last week and 
decided to pass on. My wife had the same feeling, but hers was based mainly on 
the interior (which I didn't think was that bad), aside from the 70s molded 
headliner (complete with many holes from wiring mods and the dodger, etc). That 
weekend I also was invited aboard another 35-2, so I had a feel for the 
interior already. I don't mind it, although I think I am changing my opinion of 
the dinette vs. drop-down table; having been on some boats with the drop-down, 
I prefer it as it can be out of the way quicker when not needed.

Anyway, a few other unique things this boat had installed by the previous owner:

- water maker driven off engine pulley (he owns a watermaker company) and 
installed in box to starboard of engine at sole level
- engine driven bilge pump in addition to two electric and manual. Not sure how 
it is engaged/disengaged
- dual 65A alternators - all those extra belts are a bit scary - 4 pulleys off 
the crank
- solar panels over cockpit aft on very heavy aluminum I-beams, room for 4 
panels and 6x 6V batteries
- solent rig with dual furlers, apparently properly braced below deck, although 
I didn't verify
- huge anchor and roller, along with stainless bow eye in hull - he didn't want 
anchor to slip I guess. Possibly it was on a mooring buoy so the bow eye would 
make sense.

Although some things looked to be fairly well installed, others did not:
- poorly finished plywood battery box in port lazarette, along with refrig unit 
covered in rust (probably not a marine grade unit)
- possibly the most annoying were all the holes in the molded headliner, with 
exposed wiring junctions, etc. I assume some of the wiring is captive so he 
decided to start cutting small holes. That and the holes for the dodger 
mounting made it look like swiss cheese. Is the wiring that difficult to 
upgrade up there? I'd probably try to cover the headliner with panels of white 
and teak to hide all this, since I'm not a fan of molded liners.

The main problem with this boat is that even with all these 'upgrades' in the 
past 2-3 years, everything from a safety standpoint (at a minimum) becomes 
suspect to me based on the evidence of questionable workmanship quality. The 
fact that the VW diesel injection pump was off being repaired was another red 
flag. I know these engines very well, having rebuilt several, and the injection 
pumps are bullet proof. Only two things will cause this type of failure: bad 
fuel, and someone messing with them. My van has an '86 engine with the original 
pump and >600k kms. It developed a leak this year, but has otherwise been 
trouble free.

It is a shame, because it seems like a solid boat, and the current owner is a 
very nice guy, but I have too many projects already. I just want a boat I can 
sail, and feel safe and confident in.

Thanks


On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 2:56 PM Shawn Wright 
mailto:shawngwri...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello all,

Had a look at the 35 mk2 in Victoria, and while it will be a great boat for 
someone, we've decided it's just not for us. There is a lot of value in recent 
upgrades, but the quality of workmanship is not quite what I'd like to see, and 
there is a bit too much complexity in the engine compartment, with dual 
alternators, watermaker, etc. Having now been on two 35s, I can say that it is 
still a contender on our list though. The owner is motivated to sell, so if 
you're interested, I can pass along his contact info.

Thanks!

On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 10:30 AM Shawn Wright 
mailto:shawngwri...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks for all the info. Going to look at the boat today, so I will report 
back. I was invited on board another '74 35 mk2 yesterday, after viewing a 
Catalina (am I allowed to say that here...?) 30 and a CS 27. Needless to say, I 
preferred the C, and it just made me more curious about Callisto. If the work 
done appears to be well executed and not a hack job. Will report back...

On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 9:40 AM Dave S via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Agree on condition and will add that it’s well Worth paying a bit more for a 
boat with

Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Just a bit more info on the C 35-2 'Callisto' that I viewed last week and
decided to pass on. My wife had the same feeling, but hers was based mainly
on the interior (which I didn't think was that bad), aside from the 70s
molded headliner (complete with many holes from wiring mods and the dodger,
etc). That weekend I also was invited aboard another 35-2, so I had a feel
for the interior already. I don't mind it, although I think I am changing
my opinion of the dinette vs. drop-down table; having been on some boats
with the drop-down, I prefer it as it can be out of the way quicker when
not needed.

Anyway, a few other unique things this boat had installed by the previous
owner:

- water maker driven off engine pulley (he owns a watermaker company) and
installed in box to starboard of engine at sole level
- engine driven bilge pump in addition to two electric and manual. Not sure
how it is engaged/disengaged
- dual 65A alternators - all those extra belts are a bit scary - 4 pulleys
off the crank
- solar panels over cockpit aft on very heavy aluminum I-beams, room for 4
panels and 6x 6V batteries
- solent rig with dual furlers, apparently properly braced below deck,
although I didn't verify
- huge anchor and roller, along with stainless bow eye in hull - he didn't
want anchor to slip I guess. Possibly it was on a mooring buoy so the bow
eye would make sense.

Although some things looked to be fairly well installed, others did not:
- poorly finished plywood battery box in port lazarette, along with refrig
unit covered in rust (probably not a marine grade unit)
- possibly the most annoying were all the holes in the molded headliner,
with exposed wiring junctions, etc. I assume some of the wiring is captive
so he decided to start cutting small holes. That and the holes for the
dodger mounting made it look like swiss cheese. Is the wiring that
difficult to upgrade up there? I'd probably try to cover the headliner with
panels of white and teak to hide all this, since I'm not a fan of molded
liners.

The main problem with this boat is that even with all these 'upgrades' in
the past 2-3 years, everything from a safety standpoint (at a minimum)
becomes suspect to me based on the evidence of questionable workmanship
quality. The fact that the VW diesel injection pump was off being repaired
was another red flag. I know these engines very well, having rebuilt
several, and the injection pumps are bullet proof. Only two things will
cause this type of failure: bad fuel, and someone messing with them. My van
has an '86 engine with the original pump and >600k kms. It developed a leak
this year, but has otherwise been trouble free.

It is a shame, because it seems like a solid boat, and the current owner is
a very nice guy, but I have too many projects already. I just want a boat I
can sail, and feel safe and confident in.

Thanks


On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 2:56 PM Shawn Wright  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Had a look at the 35 mk2 in Victoria, and while it will be a great boat
> for someone, we've decided it's just not for us. There is a lot of value in
> recent upgrades, but the quality of workmanship is not quite what I'd like
> to see, and there is a bit too much complexity in the engine compartment,
> with dual alternators, watermaker, etc. Having now been on two 35s, I can
> say that it is still a contender on our list though. The owner is motivated
> to sell, so if you're interested, I can pass along his contact info.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 10:30 AM Shawn Wright 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the info. Going to look at the boat today, so I will
>> report back. I was invited on board another '74 35 mk2 yesterday, after
>> viewing a Catalina (am I allowed to say that here...?) 30 and a CS 27.
>> Needless to say, I preferred the C, and it just made me more curious
>> about Callisto. If the work done appears to be well executed and not a hack
>> job. Will report back...
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 9:40 AM Dave S via CnC-List 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Agree on condition and will add that it’s well Worth paying a bit more
>>> for a boat with recent upgrades, esp if they are the upgrades you’d make
>>> anyway.  (The Bimini you’d buy anyway is effectively  free in a used
>>> boat).
>>> 35-2 was on my shortlist when I bought my 33-2.
>>> Vs Toronto area Price seems a bit high (as you’d expect from any seller)
>>> but cash is king  he’s seeking reasonable offers.
>>> Looks like the boat has already been equipped for the uses you have
>>> planned, and that hard dodger may be perfect for what you want, especially
>>> if you can steer from there, sitting in the companionway.  (Under power Via
>>> autopilot)
>>> Curious about the twin furler mod and how the stays are supported.
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Jan 5, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Steve Thomas  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Condition is everything, and that is not a high price for a reasonably
>>> well-equipped boat in good condition, 

Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

Steve,

Have a C Mk2 that we cruise and race in all the different weather 
that we have in New England ( Spring and Fall 15+kts, late July/early 
Aug light air).   One of he great things about her for cruising is that 
I have a 145 cruising roller furl headsail that we use alone (no main) 
in winds above 12kts.  The boat is well balanced under that headsail 
alone and as my wife says we're not as tippy.


In light air her performance is good due to her longer waterline and 
taller rig (if you compare to other boats you find that the Mk2 compares 
favorably with a ~37 footer).  Because of her weight it takes a little 
longer to get her up to speed, but conversely you can ghost from one 
patch of air to the next.


Don Kern
/Fireball /C Mk2
Bristol, RI


On 1/10/2019 7:48 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote:
I was really focused on rough weather performance when I was shopping 
but the reality was much different. After some foolhardy excursions we 
chose not to sail in rough conditions, it wasn't fun. Out there on the 
West coast you might not have the choice all the time. This is 
something I would consider more carefully next time I buy. We're 
coastal cruisers, most anything will do if you pay attention to the 
weather. I would take that Westsnail completely off the list.


The CS 36T is a fabulous boat, that's on my short list for next. But I 
love C, and they're cheaper.


Steve


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Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[robert via CnC-List]

Shawn:

Your on the West Coast, I live on the East Coast.the Great Lakes is 
in the middle and there are a lot of boats on the Great Lakes, possibly 
many for sale.


In 2005 I sold a Kirby 25 and was looking for a C 30 MKI all along the 
East Coastcouldn't find one that I was interested in other than one 
for sale right here in Halifaxit had been extensively updated, 
however, there was a potential buyer in 'front of me'he bought the boat.


I kept looking on Yachtworldthen in early 2006 I saw a 1984 C 32 
in Racine, Wisconsinoriginal owner, well maintained and eager to 
sell (he had bought a new Dufour36)


The point is that after the agree selling price, taxes at the border, 
trucking costs, the C cost me approx. $2,500 more than the local C


However, if your budget won't permit you to go above $25K, doing 
something similar in your case might not be in the cards if trucking 
costs are added to the selling price for a Canadian Great Lake boat.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.

On 2019-01-10 12:58 a.m., Shawn Wright via CnC-List wrote:

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the info. I've talked to brokers, but there are so few 
listings around here that they don't have anything to show me. I have 
visited and walked every dock within a 2 hour drive from here, but 
being on an island, that's not a lot of boats, even with cruising 
grounds in our backyard. There are new private listings starting to 
appear every day now, but nothing new at the brokers yet. The problem 
is I have not nailed down what I want yet, so the boats that have 
interested me are hugely varied, and usually just out of my price 
range - like Westsail 32, Nicholson 35, CS 36T. The CS 36T I have not 
been on board, but there are 5 of them nearby, and the interior photos 
I've seen look great, but it's about double my budget, so I'm now 
considering the CS 30, but they are much less common here. Lots of 
C, but anything over 27' is usually asking too much, like $30K+. I 
even looked at Catalina 30...


The only C 32 listed here currently is asking $40K, and the broker 
says it's because the wife says sell, but the husband doesn't want to, 
so he won't drop the price...
There are a ton of C here (at WestPort in Sidney they are more 
common that Catalinas) but the prices seem higher than most places.


I do need to get on board a few more C to get a feel for them, as I 
have only been on the 26, 35-2 and 37 so far. And yes, a diesel is a 
must. Trouble is, I want a decent light air boat that can also handle 
rough seas that we will sea at times, especially north of Desolation 
Sound. And that usually means at least 32', which is a challenge to 
get for $20-25K CAD.


But I am learning at lot along the way. :)

Thanks




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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Brent Driedger via CnC-List]

I’m a huge fan of the CS30 and have raced on them. I find the cockpit too 
constrictive to be raced efficiently compared to C in that size but they are 
perfect for cruising. The interiors are thoughtful and well put together and 
represent the best of design prior to the trend to move the head back to the 
companionway. But for that money a later version of a C 30 would be equally 
awesome. 

Brent D
27-5
Stiff Lake Winnipeg. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 10, 2019, at 7:14 AM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Shawn, 
>  One of the boats you mention as possible candidates is a CS30. I 
> have considerable experience on a friend's CS30, and I can tell you that they 
> are great boats, well constructed, and eminently suitable both for PHRF 
> racing and couple-of-week cruises. They are very similar to a CS33 in 
> creature comfort but they will save you money in marina fees. The main 
> difference I have found between them and the C's in sailing characteristics 
> is a much greater tendency to round up in a puff, (say 30 knots), so you 
> learn to reef the main first and early. All mainsail control lines are 
> factory led to the cockpit which is a nice feature as well. You only need to 
> go forward to hook the tack reef points. 
> 
> Steve Thomas
> C MKIII
> C


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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

Shawn, 
  One of the boats you mention as possible candidates is a CS30. I 
have considerable experience on a friend's CS30, and I can tell you that they 
are great boats, well constructed, and eminently suitable both for PHRF racing 
and couple-of-week cruises. They are very similar to a CS33 in creature comfort 
but they will save you money in marina fees. The main difference I have found 
between them and the C's in sailing characteristics is a much greater 
tendency to round up in a puff, (say 30 knots), so you learn to reef the main 
first and early. All mainsail control lines are factory led to the cockpit 
which is a nice feature as well. You only need to go forward to hook the tack 
reef points. 

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
C


 Shawn Wright via CnC-List  wrote: 
Hi Steve,

Thanks for the info. I've talked to brokers, but there are so few listings
around here that they don't have anything to show me. I have visited and
walked every dock within a 2 hour drive from here, but being on an island,
that's not a lot of boats, even with cruising grounds in our backyard.
There are new private listings starting to appear every day now, but
nothing new at the brokers yet. The problem is I have not nailed down what
I want yet, so the boats that have interested me are hugely varied, and
usually just out of my price range - like Westsail 32, Nicholson 35, CS
36T. The CS 36T I have not been on board, but there are 5 of them nearby,
and the interior photos I've seen look great, but it's about double my
budget, so I'm now considering the CS 30, but they are much less common
here. Lots of C, but anything over 27' is usually asking too much, like
$30K+. I even looked at Catalina 30...

The only C 32 listed here currently is asking $40K, and the broker says
it's because the wife says sell, but the husband doesn't want to, so he
won't drop the price...
There are a ton of C here (at WestPort in Sidney they are more common
that Catalinas) but the prices seem higher than most places.

I do need to get on board a few more C to get a feel for them, as I have
only been on the 26, 35-2 and 37 so far. And yes, a diesel is a must.
Trouble is, I want a decent light air boat that can also handle rough seas
that we will sea at times, especially north of Desolation Sound. And that
usually means at least 32', which is a challenge to get for $20-25K CAD.

But I am learning at lot along the way. :)

Thanks

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 6:23 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Shawn, talk to some brokers and look at their boats is my advice.
>
> This reminds me of a guy who came out to buy a hatchback I was selling
> recently. The guy drove over an hour out to the countryside where we live
> to look at the car, and to try his kid seat in it. It didn't end up fitting
> how he liked. He would have saved both of us a lot of time if he had just
> gone to a used car lot and done his decision making there. Likewise, you
> can learn a lot walking the docks and talking to other boat owners, or
> calling on brokers and seeing their boats. Those folks are literally paid
> to show boats. Get your short list figured out, buy the first boat that
> meets your requirements and price point. Go sailing.
>
> For what it's worth. This is why I priced my boat low when I sold it, and
> went through a broker. Quick sale, and only the serious buyers will make
> the effort. First guy who looked at it, bought it. Had to rip the bandage
> off, it was a hard decision.
>
> Sorry if my earlier message sounded full of crankitude - I'm boatless, and
> jealous :)
>
> If you're looking at boats in those size ranges, I REALLY loved my C 32.
> And they tend to be priced lower for whatever reason, they're not great
> PHRF boats and it seems around here that's what matters. They are a great
> handling, and sailing boat that one can cruise on in comfort, though. Mine
> was a 1980, later ones came with diesels, mine had an A4. Purchased for
> 18k, sold for 25k five years later (and many, many boat bucks of investment
> and hours of work later - and cruises all over Lake Ontario and Georgian
> Bay). I sold a turn-key boat with new sails, solar panels, electrical,
> plumbing, etc etc etc.
>
> FWIW
>
> Steve
>
>

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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Correct the 35 mkii is very good in light air but that depends on good
sails and crew. And also very good in rough seas. The motion comfort factor
from the sailing calculator on the cncphotoalbum site predicts very good
performance for its length and displacement in rough seas. It is
particulary slippery downwind because of that 30 ft 3 inch water line
length. Also i happen to really like the boats shear lines and the ample
use of teak below decks all fit together flawlessly by what must have been
a very good marine carpenter.

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:49 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I was really focused on rough weather performance when I was shopping but
> the reality was much different. After some foolhardy excursions we chose
> not to sail in rough conditions, it wasn't fun. Out there on the West coast
> you might not have the choice all the time. This is something I would
> consider more carefully next time I buy. We're coastal cruisers, most
> anything will do if you pay attention to the weather. I would take that
> Westsnail completely off the list.
>
> The CS 36T is a fabulous boat, that's on my short list for next. But I
> love C, and they're cheaper.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 7:04 AM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Try looking at a 34.  Love ours.  We are second owner and had her for 20
>> years.  Great in all conditions excels in light air.  Well built.
>> Traditional layout that just works well.  Large enough for hot water, stove
>> with oven, etc.  Easily handled by couple.  Cruise 4 very comfortably.
>> Normally have Yanmar diesels.  Later builds with (80 to 82) have better
>> interiors
>>
>>
>>
>> John and Maryann
>>
>> Legacy III
>>
>> 1982 C 34
>>
>> Noank, CT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Rod
>> Stright via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:19 AM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Rod Stright
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions
>>
>>
>>
>> In my view, although older, the C 35 Mark 2 is a great all round boat.
>> We won our class in the Marblehead to Halifax Ocean race in light airs, and
>> on the trip down in strong headwinds and rough seas, the flare forward kept
>> the bow from submarining into the waves when much larger boats couldn’t
>> cope and had to motor sail much slower.  The flare also deflected the waves
>> back down into the sea making for a much dryer ride than other boats.  A
>> lot of room below compared to the 35 mark 1 (3 feet longer on the waterline
>> as I recall).  Very well built hull, decks may have some soft spots but
>> overall they seem to have stood up fairly well.
>>
>>
>>
>> Good luck!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Rod Stright
>>
>> C 99
>>
>> Halifax
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *dwight
>> veinot via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* January-10-19 5:55 AM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* dwight veinot 
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions
>>
>>
>>
>> Have you used the sailing calculator under technical info on the cncphoto
>> album site. It allows u to compare boats by the numbers. I have found it
>> very useful
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 12:59 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the info. I've talked to brokers, but there are so few
>> listings around here that they don't have anything to show me. I have
>> visited and walked every dock within a 2 hour drive from here, but being on
>> an island, that's not a lot of boats, even with cruising grounds in our
>> backyard. There are new private listings starting to appear every day now,
>> but nothing new at the brokers yet. The problem is I have not nailed down
>> what I want yet, so the boats that have interested me are hugely varied,
>> and usually just out of my price range - like Westsail 32, Nicholson 35, CS
>> 36T. The CS 36T I have not been on board, but there are 5 of them nearby,
>> and the interior photos I've seen look great, but it's about double my
>> budget, so I'm now considering the CS 30, but they are much less common
>> here. Lots of C, but anything over 27' is usually asking too much, like
>> $30K+. I even looked at Catalina 30...
>>
>>
>>
>> The only C 32 listed here currently is asking $40K,

Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

I was really focused on rough weather performance when I was shopping but
the reality was much different. After some foolhardy excursions we chose
not to sail in rough conditions, it wasn't fun. Out there on the West coast
you might not have the choice all the time. This is something I would
consider more carefully next time I buy. We're coastal cruisers, most
anything will do if you pay attention to the weather. I would take that
Westsnail completely off the list.

The CS 36T is a fabulous boat, that's on my short list for next. But I love
C, and they're cheaper.

Steve



On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 7:04 AM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Try looking at a 34.  Love ours.  We are second owner and had her for 20
> years.  Great in all conditions excels in light air.  Well built.
> Traditional layout that just works well.  Large enough for hot water, stove
> with oven, etc.  Easily handled by couple.  Cruise 4 very comfortably.
> Normally have Yanmar diesels.  Later builds with (80 to 82) have better
> interiors
>
>
>
> John and Maryann
>
> Legacy III
>
> 1982 C 34
>
> Noank, CT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Rod
> Stright via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:19 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Rod Stright
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions
>
>
>
> In my view, although older, the C 35 Mark 2 is a great all round boat.
> We won our class in the Marblehead to Halifax Ocean race in light airs, and
> on the trip down in strong headwinds and rough seas, the flare forward kept
> the bow from submarining into the waves when much larger boats couldn’t
> cope and had to motor sail much slower.  The flare also deflected the waves
> back down into the sea making for a much dryer ride than other boats.  A
> lot of room below compared to the 35 mark 1 (3 feet longer on the waterline
> as I recall).  Very well built hull, decks may have some soft spots but
> overall they seem to have stood up fairly well.
>
>
>
> Good luck!!
>
>
>
> Rod Stright
>
> C 99
>
> Halifax
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *dwight
> veinot via CnC-List
> *Sent:* January-10-19 5:55 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* dwight veinot 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions
>
>
>
> Have you used the sailing calculator under technical info on the cncphoto
> album site. It allows u to compare boats by the numbers. I have found it
> very useful
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 12:59 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the info. I've talked to brokers, but there are so few listings
> around here that they don't have anything to show me. I have visited and
> walked every dock within a 2 hour drive from here, but being on an island,
> that's not a lot of boats, even with cruising grounds in our backyard.
> There are new private listings starting to appear every day now, but
> nothing new at the brokers yet. The problem is I have not nailed down what
> I want yet, so the boats that have interested me are hugely varied, and
> usually just out of my price range - like Westsail 32, Nicholson 35, CS
> 36T. The CS 36T I have not been on board, but there are 5 of them nearby,
> and the interior photos I've seen look great, but it's about double my
> budget, so I'm now considering the CS 30, but they are much less common
> here. Lots of C, but anything over 27' is usually asking too much, like
> $30K+. I even looked at Catalina 30...
>
>
>
> The only C 32 listed here currently is asking $40K, and the broker says
> it's because the wife says sell, but the husband doesn't want to, so he
> won't drop the price...
>
> There are a ton of C here (at WestPort in Sidney they are more common
> that Catalinas) but the prices seem higher than most places.
>
>
>
> I do need to get on board a few more C to get a feel for them, as I
> have only been on the 26, 35-2 and 37 so far. And yes, a diesel is a must.
> Trouble is, I want a decent light air boat that can also handle rough seas
> that we will sea at times, especially north of Desolation Sound. And that
> usually means at least 32', which is a challenge to get for $20-25K CAD.
>
>
>
> But I am learning at lot along the way. :)
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 6:23 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Shawn, talk to some brokers and look at their boats is my advice.
>
>
>
> This reminds me of a guy who came out to buy a hatchback I was selling
> recently. The guy drove over a

Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

Try looking at a 34.  Love ours.  We are second owner and had her for 20 years. 
 Great in all conditions excels in light air.  Well built.  Traditional layout 
that just works well.  Large enough for hot water, stove with oven, etc.  
Easily handled by couple.  Cruise 4 very comfortably.  Normally have Yanmar 
diesels.  Later builds with (80 to 82) have better interiors 

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rod Stright 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:19 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rod Stright
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

 

In my view, although older, the C 35 Mark 2 is a great all round boat.  We 
won our class in the Marblehead to Halifax Ocean race in light airs, and on the 
trip down in strong headwinds and rough seas, the flare forward kept the bow 
from submarining into the waves when much larger boats couldn’t cope and had to 
motor sail much slower.  The flare also deflected the waves back down into the 
sea making for a much dryer ride than other boats.  A lot of room below 
compared to the 35 mark 1 (3 feet longer on the waterline as I recall).  Very 
well built hull, decks may have some soft spots but overall they seem to have 
stood up fairly well.

 

Good luck!!

 

Rod Stright

C 99 

Halifax

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of dwight veinot via 
CnC-List
Sent: January-10-19 5:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: dwight veinot 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

 

Have you used the sailing calculator under technical info on the cncphoto album 
site. It allows u to compare boats by the numbers. I have found it very useful

 

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 12:59 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi Steve,

 

Thanks for the info. I've talked to brokers, but there are so few listings 
around here that they don't have anything to show me. I have visited and walked 
every dock within a 2 hour drive from here, but being on an island, that's not 
a lot of boats, even with cruising grounds in our backyard. There are new 
private listings starting to appear every day now, but nothing new at the 
brokers yet. The problem is I have not nailed down what I want yet, so the 
boats that have interested me are hugely varied, and usually just out of my 
price range - like Westsail 32, Nicholson 35, CS 36T. The CS 36T I have not 
been on board, but there are 5 of them nearby, and the interior photos I've 
seen look great, but it's about double my budget, so I'm now considering the CS 
30, but they are much less common here. Lots of C, but anything over 27' is 
usually asking too much, like $30K+. I even looked at Catalina 30... 

 

The only C 32 listed here currently is asking $40K, and the broker says it's 
because the wife says sell, but the husband doesn't want to, so he won't drop 
the price...

There are a ton of C here (at WestPort in Sidney they are more common that 
Catalinas) but the prices seem higher than most places.

 

I do need to get on board a few more C to get a feel for them, as I have 
only been on the 26, 35-2 and 37 so far. And yes, a diesel is a must. Trouble 
is, I want a decent light air boat that can also handle rough seas that we will 
sea at times, especially north of Desolation Sound. And that usually means at 
least 32', which is a challenge to get for $20-25K CAD. 

 

But I am learning at lot along the way. :)

 

Thanks

 

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 6:23 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Shawn, talk to some brokers and look at their boats is my advice. 

 

This reminds me of a guy who came out to buy a hatchback I was selling 
recently. The guy drove over an hour out to the countryside where we live to 
look at the car, and to try his kid seat in it. It didn't end up fitting how he 
liked. He would have saved both of us a lot of time if he had just gone to a 
used car lot and done his decision making there. Likewise, you can learn a lot 
walking the docks and talking to other boat owners, or calling on brokers and 
seeing their boats. Those folks are literally paid to show boats. Get your 
short list figured out, buy the first boat that meets your requirements and 
price point. Go sailing. 

 

For what it's worth. This is why I priced my boat low when I sold it, and went 
through a broker. Quick sale, and only the serious buyers will make the effort. 
First guy who looked at it, bought it. Had to rip the bandage off, it was a 
hard decision. 

 

Sorry if my earlier message sounded full of crankitude - I'm boatless, and 
jealous :)

 

If you're looking at boats in those size ranges, I REALLY loved my C 32. And 
they tend to be priced lower for whatever reason, they're not great PHRF boats 
and it seems around here that's what matters. They are a great handling, and 
sailing boat that one can cruise on in comfort, though. Mine was a 1980, later 
ones came with diesels, mine had an A4. Purchased for 18k, sold for 25k five 
years

Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

In my view, although older, the C 35 Mark 2 is a great all round boat.  We 
won our class in the Marblehead to Halifax Ocean race in light airs, and on the 
trip down in strong headwinds and rough seas, the flare forward kept the bow 
from submarining into the waves when much larger boats couldn’t cope and had to 
motor sail much slower.  The flare also deflected the waves back down into the 
sea making for a much dryer ride than other boats.  A lot of room below 
compared to the 35 mark 1 (3 feet longer on the waterline as I recall).  Very 
well built hull, decks may have some soft spots but overall they seem to have 
stood up fairly well.



Good luck!!



Rod Stright

C 99

Halifax



From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of dwight veinot via 
CnC-List
Sent: January-10-19 5:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: dwight veinot 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions



Have you used the sailing calculator under technical info on the cncphoto album 
site. It allows u to compare boats by the numbers. I have found it very useful



On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 12:59 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Hi Steve,



Thanks for the info. I've talked to brokers, but there are so few listings 
around here that they don't have anything to show me. I have visited and walked 
every dock within a 2 hour drive from here, but being on an island, that's not 
a lot of boats, even with cruising grounds in our backyard. There are new 
private listings starting to appear every day now, but nothing new at the 
brokers yet. The problem is I have not nailed down what I want yet, so the 
boats that have interested me are hugely varied, and usually just out of my 
price range - like Westsail 32, Nicholson 35, CS 36T. The CS 36T I have not 
been on board, but there are 5 of them nearby, and the interior photos I've 
seen look great, but it's about double my budget, so I'm now considering the CS 
30, but they are much less common here. Lots of C, but anything over 27' is 
usually asking too much, like $30K+. I even looked at Catalina 30...



The only C 32 listed here currently is asking $40K, and the broker says it's 
because the wife says sell, but the husband doesn't want to, so he won't drop 
the price...

There are a ton of C here (at WestPort in Sidney they are more common that 
Catalinas) but the prices seem higher than most places.



I do need to get on board a few more C to get a feel for them, as I have 
only been on the 26, 35-2 and 37 so far. And yes, a diesel is a must. Trouble 
is, I want a decent light air boat that can also handle rough seas that we will 
sea at times, especially north of Desolation Sound. And that usually means at 
least 32', which is a challenge to get for $20-25K CAD.



But I am learning at lot along the way. :)



Thanks



On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 6:23 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Shawn, talk to some brokers and look at their boats is my advice.



This reminds me of a guy who came out to buy a hatchback I was selling 
recently. The guy drove over an hour out to the countryside where we live to 
look at the car, and to try his kid seat in it. It didn't end up fitting how he 
liked. He would have saved both of us a lot of time if he had just gone to a 
used car lot and done his decision making there. Likewise, you can learn a lot 
walking the docks and talking to other boat owners, or calling on brokers and 
seeing their boats. Those folks are literally paid to show boats. Get your 
short list figured out, buy the first boat that meets your requirements and 
price point. Go sailing.



For what it's worth. This is why I priced my boat low when I sold it, and went 
through a broker. Quick sale, and only the serious buyers will make the effort. 
First guy who looked at it, bought it. Had to rip the bandage off, it was a 
hard decision.



Sorry if my earlier message sounded full of crankitude - I'm boatless, and 
jealous :)



If you're looking at boats in those size ranges, I REALLY loved my C 32. And 
they tend to be priced lower for whatever reason, they're not great PHRF boats 
and it seems around here that's what matters. They are a great handling, and 
sailing boat that one can cruise on in comfort, though. Mine was a 1980, later 
ones came with diesels, mine had an A4. Purchased for 18k, sold for 25k five 
years later (and many, many boat bucks of investment and hours of work later - 
and cruises all over Lake Ontario and Georgian Bay). I sold a turn-key boat 
with new sails, solar panels, electrical, plumbing, etc etc etc.



FWIW



Steve





On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 5:57 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Hello all,



Had a look at the 35 mk2 in Victoria, and while it will be a great boat for 
someone, we've decided it's just not for us. There is a lot of value in recent 
upgrades, but the quality of workmanship is not quite what I'd like to see, and 
there is a bit t

Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Have you used the sailing calculator under technical info on the cncphoto
album site. It allows u to compare boats by the numbers. I have found it
very useful

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 12:59 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Steve,
>
> Thanks for the info. I've talked to brokers, but there are so few listings
> around here that they don't have anything to show me. I have visited and
> walked every dock within a 2 hour drive from here, but being on an island,
> that's not a lot of boats, even with cruising grounds in our backyard.
> There are new private listings starting to appear every day now, but
> nothing new at the brokers yet. The problem is I have not nailed down what
> I want yet, so the boats that have interested me are hugely varied, and
> usually just out of my price range - like Westsail 32, Nicholson 35, CS
> 36T. The CS 36T I have not been on board, but there are 5 of them nearby,
> and the interior photos I've seen look great, but it's about double my
> budget, so I'm now considering the CS 30, but they are much less common
> here. Lots of C, but anything over 27' is usually asking too much, like
> $30K+. I even looked at Catalina 30...
>
> The only C 32 listed here currently is asking $40K, and the broker says
> it's because the wife says sell, but the husband doesn't want to, so he
> won't drop the price...
> There are a ton of C here (at WestPort in Sidney they are more common
> that Catalinas) but the prices seem higher than most places.
>
> I do need to get on board a few more C to get a feel for them, as I
> have only been on the 26, 35-2 and 37 so far. And yes, a diesel is a must.
> Trouble is, I want a decent light air boat that can also handle rough seas
> that we will sea at times, especially north of Desolation Sound. And that
> usually means at least 32', which is a challenge to get for $20-25K CAD.
>
> But I am learning at lot along the way. :)
>
> Thanks
>
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 6:23 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Shawn, talk to some brokers and look at their boats is my advice.
>>
>> This reminds me of a guy who came out to buy a hatchback I was selling
>> recently. The guy drove over an hour out to the countryside where we live
>> to look at the car, and to try his kid seat in it. It didn't end up fitting
>> how he liked. He would have saved both of us a lot of time if he had just
>> gone to a used car lot and done his decision making there. Likewise, you
>> can learn a lot walking the docks and talking to other boat owners, or
>> calling on brokers and seeing their boats. Those folks are literally paid
>> to show boats. Get your short list figured out, buy the first boat that
>> meets your requirements and price point. Go sailing.
>>
>> For what it's worth. This is why I priced my boat low when I sold it, and
>> went through a broker. Quick sale, and only the serious buyers will make
>> the effort. First guy who looked at it, bought it. Had to rip the bandage
>> off, it was a hard decision.
>>
>> Sorry if my earlier message sounded full of crankitude - I'm boatless,
>> and jealous :)
>>
>> If you're looking at boats in those size ranges, I REALLY loved my C
>> 32. And they tend to be priced lower for whatever reason, they're not great
>> PHRF boats and it seems around here that's what matters. They are a great
>> handling, and sailing boat that one can cruise on in comfort, though. Mine
>> was a 1980, later ones came with diesels, mine had an A4. Purchased for
>> 18k, sold for 25k five years later (and many, many boat bucks of investment
>> and hours of work later - and cruises all over Lake Ontario and Georgian
>> Bay). I sold a turn-key boat with new sails, solar panels, electrical,
>> plumbing, etc etc etc.
>>
>> FWIW
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 5:57 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Had a look at the 35 mk2 in Victoria, and while it will be a great boat
>>> for someone, we've decided it's just not for us. There is a lot of value in
>>> recent upgrades, but the quality of workmanship is not quite what I'd like
>>> to see, and there is a bit too much complexity in the engine compartment,
>>> with dual alternators, watermaker, etc. Having now been on two 35s, I can
>>> say that it is still a contender on our list though. The owner is motivated
>>> to sell, so if you're interested, I can pass along his contact info.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 10:30 AM Shawn Wright 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for all the info. Going to look at the boat today, so I will
 report back. I was invited on board another '74 35 mk2 yesterday, after
 viewing a Catalina (am I allowed to say that here...?) 30 and a CS 27.
 Needless to say, I preferred the C, and it just made me more curious
 about Callisto. If the work done appears to be well executed and not a hack
 job. Will report back...

 On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 

Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the info. I've talked to brokers, but there are so few listings
around here that they don't have anything to show me. I have visited and
walked every dock within a 2 hour drive from here, but being on an island,
that's not a lot of boats, even with cruising grounds in our backyard.
There are new private listings starting to appear every day now, but
nothing new at the brokers yet. The problem is I have not nailed down what
I want yet, so the boats that have interested me are hugely varied, and
usually just out of my price range - like Westsail 32, Nicholson 35, CS
36T. The CS 36T I have not been on board, but there are 5 of them nearby,
and the interior photos I've seen look great, but it's about double my
budget, so I'm now considering the CS 30, but they are much less common
here. Lots of C, but anything over 27' is usually asking too much, like
$30K+. I even looked at Catalina 30...

The only C 32 listed here currently is asking $40K, and the broker says
it's because the wife says sell, but the husband doesn't want to, so he
won't drop the price...
There are a ton of C here (at WestPort in Sidney they are more common
that Catalinas) but the prices seem higher than most places.

I do need to get on board a few more C to get a feel for them, as I have
only been on the 26, 35-2 and 37 so far. And yes, a diesel is a must.
Trouble is, I want a decent light air boat that can also handle rough seas
that we will sea at times, especially north of Desolation Sound. And that
usually means at least 32', which is a challenge to get for $20-25K CAD.

But I am learning at lot along the way. :)

Thanks

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 6:23 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Shawn, talk to some brokers and look at their boats is my advice.
>
> This reminds me of a guy who came out to buy a hatchback I was selling
> recently. The guy drove over an hour out to the countryside where we live
> to look at the car, and to try his kid seat in it. It didn't end up fitting
> how he liked. He would have saved both of us a lot of time if he had just
> gone to a used car lot and done his decision making there. Likewise, you
> can learn a lot walking the docks and talking to other boat owners, or
> calling on brokers and seeing their boats. Those folks are literally paid
> to show boats. Get your short list figured out, buy the first boat that
> meets your requirements and price point. Go sailing.
>
> For what it's worth. This is why I priced my boat low when I sold it, and
> went through a broker. Quick sale, and only the serious buyers will make
> the effort. First guy who looked at it, bought it. Had to rip the bandage
> off, it was a hard decision.
>
> Sorry if my earlier message sounded full of crankitude - I'm boatless, and
> jealous :)
>
> If you're looking at boats in those size ranges, I REALLY loved my C 32.
> And they tend to be priced lower for whatever reason, they're not great
> PHRF boats and it seems around here that's what matters. They are a great
> handling, and sailing boat that one can cruise on in comfort, though. Mine
> was a 1980, later ones came with diesels, mine had an A4. Purchased for
> 18k, sold for 25k five years later (and many, many boat bucks of investment
> and hours of work later - and cruises all over Lake Ontario and Georgian
> Bay). I sold a turn-key boat with new sails, solar panels, electrical,
> plumbing, etc etc etc.
>
> FWIW
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 5:57 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Had a look at the 35 mk2 in Victoria, and while it will be a great boat
>> for someone, we've decided it's just not for us. There is a lot of value in
>> recent upgrades, but the quality of workmanship is not quite what I'd like
>> to see, and there is a bit too much complexity in the engine compartment,
>> with dual alternators, watermaker, etc. Having now been on two 35s, I can
>> say that it is still a contender on our list though. The owner is motivated
>> to sell, so if you're interested, I can pass along his contact info.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 10:30 AM Shawn Wright 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for all the info. Going to look at the boat today, so I will
>>> report back. I was invited on board another '74 35 mk2 yesterday, after
>>> viewing a Catalina (am I allowed to say that here...?) 30 and a CS 27.
>>> Needless to say, I preferred the C, and it just made me more curious
>>> about Callisto. If the work done appears to be well executed and not a hack
>>> job. Will report back...
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 9:40 AM Dave S via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 Agree on condition and will add that it’s well Worth paying a bit more
 for a boat with recent upgrades, esp if they are the upgrades you’d make
 anyway.  (The Bimini you’d buy anyway is effectively  free in a used
 boat).
 35-2 was on my shortlist when I bought my 33-2.
 Vs 

Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Shawn, talk to some brokers and look at their boats is my advice.

This reminds me of a guy who came out to buy a hatchback I was selling
recently. The guy drove over an hour out to the countryside where we live
to look at the car, and to try his kid seat in it. It didn't end up fitting
how he liked. He would have saved both of us a lot of time if he had just
gone to a used car lot and done his decision making there. Likewise, you
can learn a lot walking the docks and talking to other boat owners, or
calling on brokers and seeing their boats. Those folks are literally paid
to show boats. Get your short list figured out, buy the first boat that
meets your requirements and price point. Go sailing.

For what it's worth. This is why I priced my boat low when I sold it, and
went through a broker. Quick sale, and only the serious buyers will make
the effort. First guy who looked at it, bought it. Had to rip the bandage
off, it was a hard decision.

Sorry if my earlier message sounded full of crankitude - I'm boatless, and
jealous :)

If you're looking at boats in those size ranges, I REALLY loved my C 32.
And they tend to be priced lower for whatever reason, they're not great
PHRF boats and it seems around here that's what matters. They are a great
handling, and sailing boat that one can cruise on in comfort, though. Mine
was a 1980, later ones came with diesels, mine had an A4. Purchased for
18k, sold for 25k five years later (and many, many boat bucks of investment
and hours of work later - and cruises all over Lake Ontario and Georgian
Bay). I sold a turn-key boat with new sails, solar panels, electrical,
plumbing, etc etc etc.

FWIW

Steve


On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 5:57 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Had a look at the 35 mk2 in Victoria, and while it will be a great boat
> for someone, we've decided it's just not for us. There is a lot of value in
> recent upgrades, but the quality of workmanship is not quite what I'd like
> to see, and there is a bit too much complexity in the engine compartment,
> with dual alternators, watermaker, etc. Having now been on two 35s, I can
> say that it is still a contender on our list though. The owner is motivated
> to sell, so if you're interested, I can pass along his contact info.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 10:30 AM Shawn Wright 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the info. Going to look at the boat today, so I will
>> report back. I was invited on board another '74 35 mk2 yesterday, after
>> viewing a Catalina (am I allowed to say that here...?) 30 and a CS 27.
>> Needless to say, I preferred the C, and it just made me more curious
>> about Callisto. If the work done appears to be well executed and not a hack
>> job. Will report back...
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 9:40 AM Dave S via CnC-List 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Agree on condition and will add that it’s well Worth paying a bit more
>>> for a boat with recent upgrades, esp if they are the upgrades you’d make
>>> anyway.  (The Bimini you’d buy anyway is effectively  free in a used
>>> boat).
>>> 35-2 was on my shortlist when I bought my 33-2.
>>> Vs Toronto area Price seems a bit high (as you’d expect from any seller)
>>> but cash is king  he’s seeking reasonable offers.
>>> Looks like the boat has already been equipped for the uses you have
>>> planned, and that hard dodger may be perfect for what you want, especially
>>> if you can steer from there, sitting in the companionway.  (Under power Via
>>> autopilot)
>>> Curious about the twin furler mod and how the stays are supported.
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Jan 5, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Steve Thomas  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Condition is everything, and that is not a high price for a reasonably
>>> well-equipped boat in good condition, especially in BC where prices are
>>> generally higher, most likely due to the absurd cost of housing.
>>> >
>>> > Steve Thomas
>>> > C 27MKIII
>>> > C 36
>>> >
>>> >  Shawn Wright via CnC-List  wrote:
>>> > Hello,
>>> >
>>> > I am considering a '74 36' mk2, with several modifications, and I am
>>> > curious about how they might affect the boat in terms of suitability
>>> for
>>> > coastal cruising (BC coast) and possibly a trip around Vancouver
>>> Island.
>>> > Perhaps some here are familiar with the boat 'Callisto' which has:
>>> >
>>> > Twin furlers rigged with 150 genoa and 90 jib.
>>> > VW diesel with dual alternators, reported 4000 hrs.
>>> > Watermaker
>>> > Aluminum framed dodger (not the most attractive, but appears well
>>> built).
>>> >
>>> > The asking price is $32k CAD, which seems high.
>>> > https://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/victoria-bc/c-c-35-mk-ii/1372900178
>>> >
>>> > Interested in thoughts on this boat, and the 35-2 in general.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Shawn Wright
>>> > shawngwri...@gmail.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> ___
>>>
>>> Thanks everyone for supporting this 

Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Hello all,

Had a look at the 35 mk2 in Victoria, and while it will be a great boat for
someone, we've decided it's just not for us. There is a lot of value in
recent upgrades, but the quality of workmanship is not quite what I'd like
to see, and there is a bit too much complexity in the engine compartment,
with dual alternators, watermaker, etc. Having now been on two 35s, I can
say that it is still a contender on our list though. The owner is motivated
to sell, so if you're interested, I can pass along his contact info.

Thanks!

On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 10:30 AM Shawn Wright  wrote:

> Thanks for all the info. Going to look at the boat today, so I will
> report back. I was invited on board another '74 35 mk2 yesterday, after
> viewing a Catalina (am I allowed to say that here...?) 30 and a CS 27.
> Needless to say, I preferred the C, and it just made me more curious
> about Callisto. If the work done appears to be well executed and not a hack
> job. Will report back...
>
> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 9:40 AM Dave S via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>> Agree on condition and will add that it’s well Worth paying a bit more
>> for a boat with recent upgrades, esp if they are the upgrades you’d make
>> anyway.  (The Bimini you’d buy anyway is effectively  free in a used
>> boat).
>> 35-2 was on my shortlist when I bought my 33-2.
>> Vs Toronto area Price seems a bit high (as you’d expect from any seller)
>> but cash is king  he’s seeking reasonable offers.
>> Looks like the boat has already been equipped for the uses you have
>> planned, and that hard dodger may be perfect for what you want, especially
>> if you can steer from there, sitting in the companionway.  (Under power Via
>> autopilot)
>> Curious about the twin furler mod and how the stays are supported.
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jan 5, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Steve Thomas  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Condition is everything, and that is not a high price for a reasonably
>> well-equipped boat in good condition, especially in BC where prices are
>> generally higher, most likely due to the absurd cost of housing.
>> >
>> > Steve Thomas
>> > C 27MKIII
>> > C 36
>> >
>> >  Shawn Wright via CnC-List  wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I am considering a '74 36' mk2, with several modifications, and I am
>> > curious about how they might affect the boat in terms of suitability for
>> > coastal cruising (BC coast) and possibly a trip around Vancouver Island.
>> > Perhaps some here are familiar with the boat 'Callisto' which has:
>> >
>> > Twin furlers rigged with 150 genoa and 90 jib.
>> > VW diesel with dual alternators, reported 4000 hrs.
>> > Watermaker
>> > Aluminum framed dodger (not the most attractive, but appears well
>> built).
>> >
>> > The asking price is $32k CAD, which seems high.
>> > https://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/victoria-bc/c-c-35-mk-ii/1372900178
>> >
>> > Interested in thoughts on this boat, and the 35-2 in general.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > --
>> > Shawn Wright
>> > shawngwri...@gmail.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> ___
>>
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>> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
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>>
>>
>
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
>


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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Thanks for all the info. Going to look at the boat today, so I will
report back. I was invited on board another '74 35 mk2 yesterday, after
viewing a Catalina (am I allowed to say that here...?) 30 and a CS 27.
Needless to say, I preferred the C, and it just made me more curious
about Callisto. If the work done appears to be well executed and not a hack
job. Will report back...

On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 9:40 AM Dave S via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Agree on condition and will add that it’s well Worth paying a bit more for
> a boat with recent upgrades, esp if they are the upgrades you’d make
> anyway.  (The Bimini you’d buy anyway is effectively  free in a used
> boat).
> 35-2 was on my shortlist when I bought my 33-2.
> Vs Toronto area Price seems a bit high (as you’d expect from any seller)
> but cash is king  he’s seeking reasonable offers.
> Looks like the boat has already been equipped for the uses you have
> planned, and that hard dodger may be perfect for what you want, especially
> if you can steer from there, sitting in the companionway.  (Under power Via
> autopilot)
> Curious about the twin furler mod and how the stays are supported.
> Good luck!
>
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 5, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Steve Thomas  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Condition is everything, and that is not a high price for a reasonably
> well-equipped boat in good condition, especially in BC where prices are
> generally higher, most likely due to the absurd cost of housing.
> >
> > Steve Thomas
> > C 27MKIII
> > C 36
> >
> >  Shawn Wright via CnC-List  wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am considering a '74 36' mk2, with several modifications, and I am
> > curious about how they might affect the boat in terms of suitability for
> > coastal cruising (BC coast) and possibly a trip around Vancouver Island.
> > Perhaps some here are familiar with the boat 'Callisto' which has:
> >
> > Twin furlers rigged with 150 genoa and 90 jib.
> > VW diesel with dual alternators, reported 4000 hrs.
> > Watermaker
> > Aluminum framed dodger (not the most attractive, but appears well built).
> >
> > The asking price is $32k CAD, which seems high.
> > https://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/victoria-bc/c-c-35-mk-ii/1372900178
> >
> > Interested in thoughts on this boat, and the 35-2 in general.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > Shawn Wright
> > shawngwri...@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
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> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
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>
>

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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Agree on condition and will add that it’s well Worth paying a bit more for a 
boat with recent upgrades, esp if they are the upgrades you’d make anyway.  
(The Bimini you’d buy anyway is effectively  free in a used boat).
35-2 was on my shortlist when I bought my 33-2.  
Vs Toronto area Price seems a bit high (as you’d expect from any seller) but 
cash is king  he’s seeking reasonable offers.
Looks like the boat has already been equipped for the uses you have planned, 
and that hard dodger may be perfect for what you want, especially if you can 
steer from there, sitting in the companionway.  (Under power Via autopilot) 
Curious about the twin furler mod and how the stays are supported.  
Good luck!

Dave 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 5, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Steve Thomas  wrote:
> 
> 
> Condition is everything, and that is not a high price for a reasonably 
> well-equipped boat in good condition, especially in BC where prices are 
> generally higher, most likely due to the absurd cost of housing. 
> 
> Steve Thomas
> C 27MKIII
> C 36 
> 
>  Shawn Wright via CnC-List  wrote: 
> Hello,
> 
> I am considering a '74 36' mk2, with several modifications, and I am
> curious about how they might affect the boat in terms of suitability for
> coastal cruising (BC coast) and possibly a trip around Vancouver Island.
> Perhaps some here are familiar with the boat 'Callisto' which has:
> 
> Twin furlers rigged with 150 genoa and 90 jib.
> VW diesel with dual alternators, reported 4000 hrs.
> Watermaker
> Aluminum framed dodger (not the most attractive, but appears well built).
> 
> The asking price is $32k CAD, which seems high.
> https://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/victoria-bc/c-c-35-mk-ii/1372900178
> 
> Interested in thoughts on this boat, and the 35-2 in general.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- 
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

Condition is everything, and that is not a high price for a reasonably 
well-equipped boat in good condition, especially in BC where prices are 
generally higher, most likely due to the absurd cost of housing. 

Steve Thomas
C 27MKIII
C 36 

 Shawn Wright via CnC-List  wrote: 
Hello,

I am considering a '74 36' mk2, with several modifications, and I am
curious about how they might affect the boat in terms of suitability for
coastal cruising (BC coast) and possibly a trip around Vancouver Island.
Perhaps some here are familiar with the boat 'Callisto' which has:

Twin furlers rigged with 150 genoa and 90 jib.
VW diesel with dual alternators, reported 4000 hrs.
Watermaker
Aluminum framed dodger (not the most attractive, but appears well built).

The asking price is $32k CAD, which seems high.
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/victoria-bc/c-c-35-mk-ii/1372900178

Interested in thoughts on this boat, and the 35-2 in general.

Thanks

-- 
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com


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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Hi Steve,

I appreciate the direct, no-BS approach, and agree with you, which is why I
haven't gone to see the boat yet. Other boats I've literally run out the
door to see, including a Nicholson 31 which I missed last month because
someone got there first. The owner of this 35 mk2 has sent me a few more
photos, and several pages detailing the boat's inventory, including enough
new gear in the past 2-3 years to probably justify a 25k price. But I agree
on the VW motor, and I'm a VW fanatic... but I don't let anyone touch my
vehicles, which is why they last forever, not because I'm perfect, but
because I know them well, and listen to them when things don't sound right.
That said, if I saw the engine up close and ran it, I might feel
differently. But a custom install done by someone else (dual alternators
and a drive pulley for the watermaker sounds like a nightmare to me) is not
something I'm excited about taking on.
If time allows, I may look at the boat just to get a feel for it, and the
35-2. So far, I've only been on a few C and only looked at a 37 closely.
There is a 37 going for $18K with a custom deep keel and tall mast, but it
has soggy decks and the interior is original so would need a lot of work.
But it has a bunch of really nice sails...

Thanks.


On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 4:48 PM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I like the MKII and I love C as much as any on this list, but he's not
> going to get 30k for that boat. I wouldn't pay 20k for that boat based on
> that ad.
> It's listed since the summer and it's not sold, it's now winter. Private
> seller? How many times do you think he wants to show that boat?
>
> "Contact me for more details and photos." - <-- that right there is a
> non-starter for me.
>
> He thinks he's going to save time answering the same inquiries over and
> over again? Not likely. He's waiting for a buyer that doesn't know what
> questions to ask. That ad is missing a tonne of detail and to me, that's a
> clear indication of a time waster. I think people sell boats privately
> because they don't like the things they hear from brokers, namely, the
> market price of their 45 year old boat.
>
> My opinion is worth what you paid for it and no offence intended for
> anyone on this list. I've been around this block a couple of times now, on
> both ends.
>
> Look at broker boats, if you haven't already. I would forego the luxuries
> entirely with your budget and focus on an updated motor, rigging, a dry
> deck and solid mast step. If you can get a 35 mkII with the above and no
> other "frills", I would call that a good deal at 25k. Solar, batteries and
> cruising niceties can be added as you go, and then you get new stuff, that
> you know how to maintain. The boat in the ad is a project boat. If it
> weren't, he'd be bragging about all the hoses he replaced and how new the
>  the? See my point? 45 year old rod rigging on salt water? Marinized VW
> in a C? That's a replacement motor, last I checked C wasn't putting VWs
> in their boats. This owner didn't put in a Beta, or a Yanmar - he put in a
> used, marinized VW. He doesn't want to pay commission. Too many warning
> signs for my tastes.
>
> But it's got a water maker! never mind that noise
>
> I like the MKII. I hope you find one, and that it serves you well.
> Fair winds.
> Steve
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 2:39 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Russ,
>>
>> Thanks for the reply. It has been listed since the summer, and he seems
>> to be dropping the price; I know he is motivated, but it's still a bit
>> beyond my budget, and moorage will cost a bit more than the 30' boats I've
>> been looking at.
>>
>> I'm very familiar with VW diesels, currently own two, and have had many
>> since the 80s. Not sure how access is since the engine is larger than the
>> A4, and economy is probably not as good as a 2-3 cyl Yanmar, although
>> tuning the IP might help. Just don't see many marine VWs so not sure how
>> they fare in this application - the blocks are bulletproof, but not sure
>> about the marine components, manifold/exchanger, raw water pump etc. Sounds
>> like it may be a custom job also, so if parts are non-standard that could
>> be an issue.
>>
>> I'll probably arrange to see it, and report back. I'm just trying to get
>> the most solid boat I can for about $20-25k CAD, so boats that don't have
>> what I need/want (cockpit enclosure for winter is one), or have a bunch of
>> stuff I don't need, will mean that I must pay more, or allow for additional
>> costs to add things.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 10:18 AM Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Shawn,
>>>
>>> The ad identifies her as a 35 mk-2 and only $30,000.
>>>
>>> Nice set-up for extended B.C. coastal cruising with solar panels, water
>>> maker and Solent jib. The Solent jib is a good choice for short-handed
>>> cruising but a PITA for tacking the genoa if it can't 

Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Steve,

Are you on the West Coast?

Cheers, Russ

At 04:47 PM 1/4/2019, you wrote:
I like the MKII and I love C as much as any 
on this list, but he's not going to get 30k for 
that boat. I wouldn't pay 20k for that boat based on that ad.Â
It's listed since the summer and it's not sold, 
it's now winter. Private seller? How many times 
do you think he wants to show that boat?Â


"Contact me for more details and photos." - <-- 
that right there is a non-starter for me.Â


He thinks he's going to save time answering the 
same inquiries over and over again? Not likely. 
He's waiting for a buyer that doesn't know what 
questions to ask. That ad is missing a tonne of 
detail and to me, that's a clear indication of a 
time waster. I think people sell boats privately 
because they don't like the things they hear 
from brokers, namely, the market price of their 45 year old boat.Â


My opinion is worth what you paid for it and no 
offence intended for anyone on this list. I've 
been around this block a couple of times now, on both ends.Â


Look at broker boats, if you haven't already. I 
would forego the luxuries entirely with your 
budget and focus on an updated motor, rigging, a 
dry deck and solid mast step. If you can get a 
35 mkII with the above and no other "frills", I 
would call that a good deal at 25k. Solar, 
batteries and cruising niceties can be added as 
you go, and then you get new stuff, that you 
know how to maintain. The boat in the ad is a 
project boat. If it weren't, he'd be bragging 
about all the hoses he replaced and how new the 
 the? See my point? 45 year old rod rigging 
on salt water? Marinized VW in a C? That's a 
replacement motor, last I checked C wasn't 
putting VWs in their boats. This owner didn't 
put in a Beta, or a Yanmar - he put in a used, 
marinized VW. He doesn't want to pay commission. 
Too many warning signs for my tastes.Â


But it's got a water maker! never mind that noise

I like the MKII. I hope you find one, and that it serves you well.
Fair winds.Â
Steve


On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 2:39 PM Shawn Wright via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Hi Russ,

Thanks for the reply. It has been listed since 
the summer, and he seems to be dropping the 
price; I know he is motivated, but it's still a 
bit beyond my budget, and moorage will cost a 
bit more than the 30' boats I've been looking at.


I'm very familiar with VW diesels, currently own 
two, and have had many since the 80s. Not sure 
how access is since the engine is larger than 
the A4, and economy is probably not as good as a 
2-3 cyl Yanmar, although tuning the IP might 
help. Just don't see many marine VWs so not sure 
how they fare in this application - the blocks 
are bulletproof, but not sure about the marine 
components, manifold/exchanger, raw water pump 
etc. Sounds like it may be a custom job also, so 
if parts are non-standard that could be an issue.Â


I'll probably arrange to see it, and report 
back. I'm just trying to get the most solid boat 
I can for about $20-25k CAD, so boats that don't 
have what I need/want (cockpit enclosure for 
winter is one), or have a bunch of stuff I don't 
need, will mean that I must pay more, or allow 
for additional costs to add things.Â




On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 10:18 AM Russ & Melody 
via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


Hi Shawn,

The ad identifies her as a 35 mk-2 and only $30,000.

Nice set-up for extended B.C. coastal cruising 
with solar panels, water maker and Solent jib. 
The Solent jib is a good choice for short-handed 
cruising but a PITA for tacking the genoa if it 
can't be moved aft (not practical with the 
furler on it). The dodger is okay and most 
coastal cruiser like them. I don't as a personal 
preference (mostly 'cause they're ugly and 
impair good visibility while sailing.


No stability issues with any of that, or the big 
honking anchor on the bow. And you will sleep well in a blow. :)


The older marinized VW diesels are known for 
cracked head issues but since it is only 
operating at 50% load at max (check the prop 
size) it likely doesn't get hot enough to suffer 
at the head, but continuos running at low load 
can lead to carbon buildups (sticky rings & valve problems).


For a well found cruiser that appears ready to 
go I think $30 grand is a bargain.


        Cheers, Russ
        ex- Sweet, 35 mk-1






At 08:27 AM 1/4/2019, you wrote:

Hello,

I am considering a '74 36' mk2, with several 
modifications, and I am curious about how they 
might affect the boat in terms of suitability 
for coastal cruising (BC coast) and possibly a 
trip around Vancouver Island. Perhaps some here 
are familiar with the boat 'Callisto' which has:


Twin furlers rigged with 150 genoa and 90 jib.
VW diesel with dual alternators, reported 4000 hrs.
Watermaker
Aluminum framed dodger (not the most attractive, but appears well built).

The asking price is 

Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

I like the MKII and I love C as much as any on this list, but he's not
going to get 30k for that boat. I wouldn't pay 20k for that boat based on
that ad.
It's listed since the summer and it's not sold, it's now winter. Private
seller? How many times do you think he wants to show that boat?

"Contact me for more details and photos." - <-- that right there is a
non-starter for me.

He thinks he's going to save time answering the same inquiries over and
over again? Not likely. He's waiting for a buyer that doesn't know what
questions to ask. That ad is missing a tonne of detail and to me, that's a
clear indication of a time waster. I think people sell boats privately
because they don't like the things they hear from brokers, namely, the
market price of their 45 year old boat.

My opinion is worth what you paid for it and no offence intended for anyone
on this list. I've been around this block a couple of times now, on both
ends.

Look at broker boats, if you haven't already. I would forego the luxuries
entirely with your budget and focus on an updated motor, rigging, a dry
deck and solid mast step. If you can get a 35 mkII with the above and no
other "frills", I would call that a good deal at 25k. Solar, batteries and
cruising niceties can be added as you go, and then you get new stuff, that
you know how to maintain. The boat in the ad is a project boat. If it
weren't, he'd be bragging about all the hoses he replaced and how new the
 the? See my point? 45 year old rod rigging on salt water? Marinized VW
in a C? That's a replacement motor, last I checked C wasn't putting VWs
in their boats. This owner didn't put in a Beta, or a Yanmar - he put in a
used, marinized VW. He doesn't want to pay commission. Too many warning
signs for my tastes.

But it's got a water maker! never mind that noise

I like the MKII. I hope you find one, and that it serves you well.
Fair winds.
Steve


On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 2:39 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Russ,
>
> Thanks for the reply. It has been listed since the summer, and he seems to
> be dropping the price; I know he is motivated, but it's still a bit beyond
> my budget, and moorage will cost a bit more than the 30' boats I've been
> looking at.
>
> I'm very familiar with VW diesels, currently own two, and have had many
> since the 80s. Not sure how access is since the engine is larger than the
> A4, and economy is probably not as good as a 2-3 cyl Yanmar, although
> tuning the IP might help. Just don't see many marine VWs so not sure how
> they fare in this application - the blocks are bulletproof, but not sure
> about the marine components, manifold/exchanger, raw water pump etc. Sounds
> like it may be a custom job also, so if parts are non-standard that could
> be an issue.
>
> I'll probably arrange to see it, and report back. I'm just trying to get
> the most solid boat I can for about $20-25k CAD, so boats that don't have
> what I need/want (cockpit enclosure for winter is one), or have a bunch of
> stuff I don't need, will mean that I must pay more, or allow for additional
> costs to add things.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 10:18 AM Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Shawn,
>>
>> The ad identifies her as a 35 mk-2 and only $30,000.
>>
>> Nice set-up for extended B.C. coastal cruising with solar panels, water
>> maker and Solent jib. The Solent jib is a good choice for short-handed
>> cruising but a PITA for tacking the genoa if it can't be moved aft (not
>> practical with the furler on it). The dodger is okay and most coastal
>> cruiser like them. I don't as a personal preference (mostly 'cause they're
>> ugly and impair good visibility while sailing.
>>
>> No stability issues with any of that, or the big honking anchor on the
>> bow. And you will sleep well in a blow. :)
>>
>> The older marinized VW diesels are known for cracked head issues but
>> since it is only operating at 50% load at max (check the prop size) it
>> likely doesn't get hot enough to suffer at the head, but continuos running
>> at low load can lead to carbon buildups (sticky rings & valve problems).
>>
>> For a well found cruiser that appears ready to go I think $30 grand is a
>> bargain.
>>
>> Cheers, Russ
>> ex-* Sweet*, 35 mk-1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 08:27 AM 1/4/2019, you wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am considering a '74 36' mk2, with several modifications, and I am
>> curious about how they might affect the boat in terms of suitability for
>> coastal cruising (BC coast) and possibly a trip around Vancouver Island.
>> Perhaps some here are familiar with the boat 'Callisto' which has:
>>
>> Twin furlers rigged with 150 genoa and 90 jib.
>> VW diesel with dual alternators, reported 4000 hrs.
>> Watermaker
>> Aluminum framed dodger (not the most attractive, but appears well built).
>>
>> The asking price is $32k CAD, which seems high.
>> 

Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Hi Russ,

Thanks for the reply. It has been listed since the summer, and he seems to
be dropping the price; I know he is motivated, but it's still a bit beyond
my budget, and moorage will cost a bit more than the 30' boats I've been
looking at.

I'm very familiar with VW diesels, currently own two, and have had many
since the 80s. Not sure how access is since the engine is larger than the
A4, and economy is probably not as good as a 2-3 cyl Yanmar, although
tuning the IP might help. Just don't see many marine VWs so not sure how
they fare in this application - the blocks are bulletproof, but not sure
about the marine components, manifold/exchanger, raw water pump etc. Sounds
like it may be a custom job also, so if parts are non-standard that could
be an issue.

I'll probably arrange to see it, and report back. I'm just trying to get
the most solid boat I can for about $20-25k CAD, so boats that don't have
what I need/want (cockpit enclosure for winter is one), or have a bunch of
stuff I don't need, will mean that I must pay more, or allow for additional
costs to add things.



On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 10:18 AM Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Shawn,
>
> The ad identifies her as a 35 mk-2 and only $30,000.
>
> Nice set-up for extended B.C. coastal cruising with solar panels, water
> maker and Solent jib. The Solent jib is a good choice for short-handed
> cruising but a PITA for tacking the genoa if it can't be moved aft (not
> practical with the furler on it). The dodger is okay and most coastal
> cruiser like them. I don't as a personal preference (mostly 'cause they're
> ugly and impair good visibility while sailing.
>
> No stability issues with any of that, or the big honking anchor on the
> bow. And you will sleep well in a blow. :)
>
> The older marinized VW diesels are known for cracked head issues but since
> it is only operating at 50% load at max (check the prop size) it likely
> doesn't get hot enough to suffer at the head, but continuos running at low
> load can lead to carbon buildups (sticky rings & valve problems).
>
> For a well found cruiser that appears ready to go I think $30 grand is a
> bargain.
>
> Cheers, Russ
> ex-* Sweet*, 35 mk-1
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 08:27 AM 1/4/2019, you wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am considering a '74 36' mk2, with several modifications, and I am
> curious about how they might affect the boat in terms of suitability for
> coastal cruising (BC coast) and possibly a trip around Vancouver Island.
> Perhaps some here are familiar with the boat 'Callisto' which has:
>
> Twin furlers rigged with 150 genoa and 90 jib.
> VW diesel with dual alternators, reported 4000 hrs.
> Watermaker
> Aluminum framed dodger (not the most attractive, but appears well built).
>
> The asking price is $32k CAD, which seems high.
> https://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/victoria-bc/c-c-35-mk-ii/1372900178
>
> Interested in thoughts on this boat, and the 35-2 in general.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Shawn,

The ad identifies her as a 35 mk-2 and only $30,000.

Nice set-up for extended B.C. coastal cruising with solar panels, 
water maker and Solent jib. The Solent jib is a good choice for 
short-handed cruising but a PITA for tacking the genoa if it can't be 
moved aft (not practical with the furler on it). The dodger is okay 
and most coastal cruiser like them. I don't as a personal preference 
(mostly 'cause they're ugly and impair good visibility while sailing.


No stability issues with any of that, or the big honking anchor on 
the bow. And you will sleep well in a blow. :)


The older marinized VW diesels are known for cracked head issues but 
since it is only operating at 50% load at max (check the prop size) 
it likely doesn't get hot enough to suffer at the head, but continuos 
running at low load can lead to carbon buildups (sticky rings & valve 
problems).


For a well found cruiser that appears ready to go I think $30 grand 
is a bargain.


Cheers, Russ
ex-Sweet, 35 mk-1






At 08:27 AM 1/4/2019, you wrote:

Hello,

I am considering a '74 36' mk2, with several modifications, and I am 
curious about how they might affect the boat in terms of suitability 
for coastal cruising (BC coast) and possibly a trip around Vancouver 
Island. Perhaps some here are familiar with the boat 'Callisto' which has:


Twin furlers rigged with 150 genoa and 90 jib.
VW diesel with dual alternators, reported 4000 hrs.
Watermaker
Aluminum framed dodger (not the most attractive, but appears well built).

The asking price is $32k CAD, which seems high.
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/victoria-bc/c-c-35-mk-ii/1372900178

Interested in thoughts on this boat, and the 35-2 in general.

Thanks

--
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shawngwri...@gmail.com
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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

 I raced on a friend's 35-2 and it was a delight to sail.  Did reasonably well 
in light air and could fly in a blow.Also thought it was the prettiest looking 
boat on the lake.  Too bad it wasn't red!The second prettiest is the 
30-1.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL

On Friday, January 4, 2019, 10:28:07 AM CST, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Hello,
I am considering a '74 36' mk2, with several modifications, and I am curious 
about how they might affect the boat in terms of suitability for coastal 
cruising (BC coast) and possibly a trip around Vancouver Island. Perhaps some 
here are familiar with the boat 'Callisto' which has:
Twin furlers rigged with 150 genoa and 90 jib.VW diesel with dual alternators, 
reported 4000 hrs.WatermakerAluminum framed dodger (not the most attractive, 
but appears well built).
The asking price is $32k CAD, which seems 
high.https://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/victoria-bc/c-c-35-mk-ii/1372900178

Interested in thoughts on this boat, and the 35-2 in general.

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Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Hello,

I am considering a '74 36' mk2, with several modifications, and I am
curious about how they might affect the boat in terms of suitability for
coastal cruising (BC coast) and possibly a trip around Vancouver Island.
Perhaps some here are familiar with the boat 'Callisto' which has:

Twin furlers rigged with 150 genoa and 90 jib.
VW diesel with dual alternators, reported 4000 hrs.
Watermaker
Aluminum framed dodger (not the most attractive, but appears well built).

The asking price is $32k CAD, which seems high.
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/victoria-bc/c-c-35-mk-ii/1372900178

Interested in thoughts on this boat, and the 35-2 in general.

Thanks

-- 
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
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