[CODE4LIB] Ulrich's new platform, direct link

2011-03-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Has anyone figured out a URL platform for the new Ulrich's platform at https://ulrichsweb.serialssolutions.com https://ulrichsweb.serialssolutions.com/, that allows direct linking (aka deep linking) to a particular known ISSN record? For use, for instance, with the SFX ulrich's target?

[CODE4LIB] facets in Atom feeds

2011-03-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Someone recently on this list was saying something about ways to embed facets in for instance Atom feeds. I was reminded of that, because checking out an Atom feed from Google Books Data API, in Internet Explorer... Internet Explorer displays 'facet' type restrictions for it, under a heading

Re: [CODE4LIB] facets in Atom feeds

2011-03-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
2:42 PM, LeVan,Ralph wrote: -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind [I agree that simply copying the Solr API for a standard like SRU is not the way to go -- Solr is an application that supports various low-level

Re: [CODE4LIB] XML Schema vs Library APIs (OAI-PMH/SRU/unAPI)

2011-02-24 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I've thought about/messed with this stuff before, and come up with no good elegant solution. It is indeed kind of a mess. On 2/24/2011 12:03 PM, Robert Sanderson wrote: That is (still) incorrect. A single schema may contain multiple namespaces, and there isn't a unique identifier for a

[CODE4LIB] EZB

2011-02-17 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Interesting, does their link resolver API do article-level links, or just journal title level links? I/you/one could easily write a plugin for Umlaut for their API, would be an interesting exersize. On 2/17/2011 1:18 AM, Markus Fischer wrote: The cheapest and best A to Z list i know is the

Re: [CODE4LIB] EZB

2011-02-17 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
No documentation in English, huh? This is a very interesting service I had not previously been aware of, indeed quite powerful. It's free for libraries to register their own holdings with EZB? Even American libraries? Does the API by chance cover that registration of holdings too, so

Re: [CODE4LIB] GPL incompatible interfaces

2011-02-17 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 2/17/2011 12:50 PM, Eric Hellman wrote: If list members would like to name and shame GPL incompatible interfaces that they're stuck working with, have at it. If I'm mistaken and there are none left, then I'd like to know it. Well, the problem with viral licenses like GPL is that other

Re: [CODE4LIB] A to Z lists

2011-02-16 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
We have Metalib and use Xerxes as a front-end to Metalib, so we just use Xerxes as our A-Z list, or directory or databases too. But what I'd really like to do is just _use the catalog_. If there was a good interface for the catalog, and these resources were included in it's search... why

Re: [CODE4LIB] A to Z lists

2011-02-16 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Yeah, as one of the developers of Xerxes, I've been meaning to fix that long-page problem. If any other PHP developers want to contribute a patch, please feel free. It won't take any herculean RD to fix that feature, just figuring out what the interface ought to look like and making it so.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Ranking factors for library resources: Who really uses what?

2011-02-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
A bunch of us are using Solr/lucene for discovery over library bibliographic records, which is based on the basic tf*idf weighting type algorithm, with a bunch of tweaks. So all of us doing that, and finding it pretty successful, are probably surprised to hear that this approach won't work

Re: [CODE4LIB] to link or not to link: PURLs

2011-01-27 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
will -- then by all means do that. If you can also attempt to future-proof your URL space with something like ARKs [2], then I think it is the best of all worlds. [1] http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI [2] https://confluence.ucop.edu/display/Curation/ARK Peter On Jan 26, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Jonathan

Re: [CODE4LIB] to link or not to link: PURLs

2011-01-26 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Seems like your link abstraction layer should be baked into your system, so the URL your users see in the location bar IS the one that your link abstraction layer is handling and you are committing to persisting. There's no reason a URL has to begin with 'purl.org' to be part of a persisting

Re: [CODE4LIB] to link or not to link: PURLs

2011-01-26 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Yep,using a globally unique identifier like an ARK is better than my /records/12345 example,that's a better way to do it for sure. So in that example, http://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth60974/ is what you access, http://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth60974/ is what

Re: [CODE4LIB] to link or not to link: PURLs

2011-01-26 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
What some in this thread are frowning on is having an abstraction layer such that the persistent URL for your web page or resource is not the URL that typical users see in their browser location bar when viewing that resource or web page. If your abstraction layer can make that so, then I

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib 2011 Update

2011-01-18 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 1/18/2011 9:05 AM, Richard, Joel M wrote: Our central wireless group has recommended that if everyone has an 802.11n card (5Ghz radio spectrum) in their device that they will likely have a much better experience for connectivity – it does not mean that you have to have one it will just

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Community Sponsorship

2011-01-13 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I'm honestly not sure why we are fund-driving this from individuals, when the conference is, according to it's organizers, already sufficiently funded. So, no, I see no reason to up the goal. On 1/13/2011 10:25 AM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: Great job Code4Lib! You've collectively contributed

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Presenters - a shared presentation machine? really????

2011-01-13 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Might be worth finding some people from previous years; I think previous years managed recording of presentation projection (if not live screencast), despite presenters swapping out machines. They did it somehow. From: Code for Libraries

Re: [CODE4LIB] data export help: line breaks on tab-delimited download

2011-01-12 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
/plain did *not* fix the problem in Notepad, and I do wonder what it would take to make that program happy, but in this case it doesn't much matter.) Thanks for the help Ken -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent

Re: [CODE4LIB] data export help: line breaks on tab-delimited download

2011-01-12 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
for the help Ken -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:41 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] data export help: line breaks on tab-delimited download line breaks don't

Re: [CODE4LIB] javascript testing?

2011-01-12 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
As far as I can tell, while there are several, there are none that are actually Just Work good. It seems to be an area still in flux, people coming up with an open source way to do that that is reliable and easy to use and just works. The main division in current approaches seems to be

Re: [CODE4LIB] data export help: line breaks on tab-delimited download

2011-01-11 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
line breaks don't appear when you view it with what software? Can you have your browser save it to disk after it prompts you to do so, and open with a reliable text editor you know how to use and confirm if \n is really still in the file or not? If you are viewing it in your web brower, then

Re: [CODE4LIB] An alternate presentation of Code4Lib Journal

2011-01-04 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
The Journal actually is hosted on WordPress, although I'm not sure if it's a recent enough version for the plug-in. I had the impression looking at it before that Anthologize would only make an 'anthology' of your entire wordpress site. Is there any easy way to get it to, for instance, make

Re: [CODE4LIB] An alternate presentation of Code4Lib Journal

2011-01-04 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
/11 10:45 AM, Eric Lease Morganemor...@nd.edu wrote: On Jan 4, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: ...Is there any easy way to get it to, for instance, make an anthology of all the posts with a certain WordPress tag or category instead?... Based on my (poor) recollection of playing

Re: [CODE4LIB] An alternate presentation of Code4Lib Journal

2011-01-02 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Sweet, if you have an automated process that produces these reliably, or once you do, please let us know on the Journal list, and we'll see if we can integrate it into our regular production process and provide links to epubs from the journal home pages.

Re: [CODE4LIB] An alternate presentation of Code4Lib Journal

2010-12-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I'm not sure, there are definitely some tricks there. But if you do come up with some CSS that works robustly (your rough cut demo is doing some odd things, cutting text off in the middle of paragraphs, putting scrollbars in the middle of the page, etc), we at the journal would probably be

Re: [CODE4LIB] Announcing OLAC's prototype FRBR-inspired moving image discovery interface

2010-12-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
In my opinion, the best way to understand Work is as the set of all expressions/manifestations that... belong to that Work. Work is sort of a culturally constructed concept, but we know it when we see it. But I think the WEMI heirarchy is best understood as set relationships -- while not

Re: [CODE4LIB] Which O'Reilly books should we give away at Code4Lib 2011?

2010-12-08 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
If you're looking for suggestions on other publishers to solicit (not that you asked : ) ), Manning, publisher of Erik Hatcher's Lucene in Action among other useful titles. Pragmatic Bookshelf, publisher of the canonical Rails books, among other useful titles. [ But I don't mean to add

[CODE4LIB] Fwd: Code4lib 2011 Conference Registration

2010-12-08 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Original Message Subject:Code4lib 2011 Conference Registration Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 11:40:53 -0500 From: mcdonald rhmcdon...@gmail.com Reply-To: code4lib...@googlegroups.com code4lib...@googlegroups.com To: code4libcon code4lib...@googlegroups.com As

Re: [CODE4LIB] HTML Load Time

2010-12-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
There is no magic way to make a 2.5M file load quickly in a browser -- let alone be actually useable once in a browser window. (What human is going to read 40 or 50 or 100 pages all at once in a browser window?). 2.5M is just too big for a web page. You're going to have to split it up. On

Re: [CODE4LIB] detecting user copying URL?

2010-11-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
No tasteful way, no. And probably no way at all when it's on a third party website like LexisNexis -- short of getting the user to install a browser plugin maybe, which will require different code for every browser, which is a lot of work to go to for a feature that I predict will really

Re: [CODE4LIB] Let's go somewhere [was PHP vs. Python...]

2010-11-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I would be very unlikely to use someone's homegrown library specific scripting language. However, if you want to make a library for an existing popular scripting language that handles your specific domain well, I'd be quite likely to use that if I had a problem with your domain and I was

Re: [CODE4LIB] mailing list administratativia

2010-10-27 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Alexander Johannesen wrote: Is it to throttle spam or something? 50 seems rather low, and it's rather depressing to have a lively discussion throttled like that. Not Pretty sure it wasn't depressing to the vast majority of the listserv audience. That was/is a discussion that benefited

Re: [CODE4LIB] Simple Flexible ILS written in Django

2010-10-25 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Neat, if you put this into production at a public URL anytime, do let us know. Elliot Hallmark wrote: Re: simple, flexible ILS for small library hello all, Just wanted to mention that I did decide to code an ILS for a book sharing library. Tweaking conventional ILS or bartering software

Re: [CODE4LIB] Help with DLF-ILS GetAvailability

2010-10-25 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Emily Lynema wrote: standardized metadata! While we had envisioned using something like MARCXML or ISO Holdings here to express things like serial runs, there Kind of a side note, but please consider ONIX Serial Holdings for expressing serial runs! It is by far the best schema I've seen

Re: [CODE4LIB] MARCXML - What is it for?

2010-10-25 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Yes, it is designed to be a round-trippable expression of ordinary marc in XML. Some reasons this is useful: 1. No maximum record length, unlike actual marc which tops out at ~10k. 2. You can use XSLT and other XML tools to work with it, and store it in stores optimized for XML (or that only

Re: [CODE4LIB] MARCXML - What is it for?

2010-10-25 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
MODS was an attempt to mostly-but-not-entirely-roundtrippably represent data in MARC in a format that's more 'normal' XML, without packed bytes in elements, with element names that are more or less self-documenting, etc. It's caught on even less than MARCXML though, so if you find MARCXML

Re: [CODE4LIB] MARCXML - What is it for?

2010-10-25 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Marc in JSON can be a nice middle-ground, faster/smaller than MarcXML (although still probably not as binary), based on a standard low-level data format so easier to work with using existing tools (and developers eyes) than binary, no maximum record length. There have been a couple competing

Re: [CODE4LIB] MARCXML - What is it for?

2010-10-25 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Tim Spalding wrote: Does processing speed of something matter anymore? You'd have to be doing a LOT of processing to care, wouldn't you? Yes,which sometimes you are. Say, when you're indexing 2 or 3 or 10 million marc records into, say, solr. Which is faster depends on what language and

Re: [CODE4LIB] Help with DLF-ILS GetAvailability

2010-10-21 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I don't think that's an abuse. I consider dlf:holdings to be for information about a holdingset, or some collection of items, while dlf:item is for information about an individual item. I think regardless of what you do you are being over-optimistic in thinking that if you just do dlf, your

Re: [CODE4LIB] Help with DLF-ILS GetAvailability

2010-10-20 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I believe you are correct. The ils-di stuff is just kind of a framework starting point, not (yet) a complete end-to-end standards-constrained solution. I believe you will find my thoughts and experiences on this issue helpful. My own circumstances did not involve collection-level anything,

Re: [CODE4LIB] LDAP Issues

2010-10-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Is there a unique ID delivered by your LDAP that is different from the username, and could the apps be using that unique ID to match to accounts instead of username? Some weird alphanumeric string that is only used internally, but when they recreated her account she got a different one?

Re: [CODE4LIB] Systems Tracker

2010-10-04 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
That continues to be an awesome resource, Marshall, thanks for maintaining it. Breeding, Marshall wrote: Since it has been mentioned a couple of times in this thread, here is some additional information about lib-web-cats and Library Technology Guides. (http://www.librarytechnology.org) The

Re: [CODE4LIB] simple,flexible ILS for a small library.

2010-09-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Others of us have no problem with pseudonymous or anonymous subscriptions to the listserv, I hadn't been aware that there was any general disapproval of this, although of course everyone can have their own opinion. It is however, I agree, nice to develop professional relationships with

Re: [CODE4LIB] Looking for OAuth experts

2010-09-20 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Can you give some details (or references) to justify the belief that OAuth isn't ready yet? (The fact that Twitter implemented it poorly does not seem apropos to me, that's just a critique of Twitter, right?). I don't agree or disagree, just trying to take this from fud-ish rumor to facts to

Re: [CODE4LIB] Looking for OAuth experts

2010-09-20 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
of that with an automatic solution that will Just Work without thinking. But your arguments are not against OAuth. Maybe they're against trying to do remote authentication between two servers AT ALL because of the inherent problems with such, heh. Jonathan MJ Ray wrote: Jonathan Rochkind wrote: Can you

Re: [CODE4LIB] Looking for OAuth experts

2010-09-20 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
The thing this conversation (and Twitter) is missing, is that the OAuth protocol neither requires nor relies upon each piece of client software having a key of any kind. Twitter wants it to, so it can disable a certain application (distributed and used by many people) if they decide that app

Re: [CODE4LIB] Looking for OAuth experts

2010-09-20 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
that (eg) Jonathan Rochkind has given authorization to Software A, to access API services that read and write to confidential information associated with Jonathan Rochkind's account on Server B. Server B can be sure that Jonathan Rochkind authorized Software A to do that. (Or someone that knew

Re: [CODE4LIB] mobile web design: resources?

2010-08-25 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
This Code4Lib Journal article might be helpful: http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/2055 Issue 8, 2009-11-23 http://journal.code4lib.org/issues/issue8 library/mobile: Tips on Designing and Developing Mobile Web Sites Mobile applications can support learning by making library resources

Re: [CODE4LIB] mobile web design: resources?

2010-08-25 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
And Michael Doran's own Code4Lib conference presentation is also worth a glance, if you like (or are neutral towards) videos instead of texts. Oops, except it looks like maybe video isn't available yet? What ever happened to the video from the last conf? Or is it available but not linked to

Re: [CODE4LIB] Linking Sakai 'Citation Helper' to other systems

2010-08-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Hey Owen, this sounds like it would make a pretty good Code4Lib Journal article, if you're interested. Sending this to the public list becuase, hey, which of YOU has something that would make a good Code4Lib Journal article too? Please consider it. Jonathan Owen Stephens wrote: I'm part of

Re: [CODE4LIB] EAD in Blacklight (was: Re: [CODE4LIB] Batch loading in fedora)

2010-08-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I wonder how the field collapsing patch holds up on an index that contains 3 million documents, probably larger than your EAD-only one, but thinking about combining EAD in an index with many many other documents (like with a library catalog). Might be fine, might not. (Even without field

Re: [CODE4LIB] EAD in Blacklight (was: Re: [CODE4LIB] Batch loading in fedora)

2010-08-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
] Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 12:41 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] EAD in Blacklight (was: Re: [CODE4LIB] Batch loading in fedora) On Aug 6, 2010, at 8:07 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: I've been brainstorming other weird ways to do this. This one is totally wacky

Re: [CODE4LIB] schema for some web page

2010-07-08 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
In my experience, you can't tell much about what you'd really want to know for user needs from the indicators or subfield 3's, at least in my catalog. FRBR relationships probably don't work because the destination of an arbitrary 856 is not neccesarily a FRBR entity, and even if it is

[CODE4LIB] schema for some web page

2010-07-07 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
So in our marc records, we have these 856 links, the meaning of which is basically some web page related to the entity at hand. You don't really know the relation, the granularity is not there. So, fine, data is data, there ought to be some way to model this in standard XML/RDF/DC/whatever,

Re: [CODE4LIB] DIY aggregate index

2010-07-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
The argument I've tried to make to content vendors (just in casual conversation, never in actual negotiations) is that we'll still send the user to their platform for actually accessing the text, we just want the metadata (possibly including textual fulltext for searching) for _searching_. So

[CODE4LIB] citation reference services

2010-07-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Blake, Miriam E wrote: Also, thinking about the kinds of services that users want from this data, we've found the biggest need is to focus on citation references if you can get them. (e.g. ISI) Kind of a different topic, but my open source Umlaut software, which can be thought of as a link

Re: [CODE4LIB] locator

2010-06-30 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
One case study on this very topic was published in the recent Code4Lib Journal, it may be of use: http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/3072 From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Vanmechelen

Re: [CODE4LIB] DIY aggregate index

2010-06-30 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Cory Rockliff wrote: Do libraries opt for these commercial 'pre-indexed' services simply because they're a good value proposition compared to all the work of indexing multiple resources from multiple vendors into one local index, or is it that companies like iii and Ex Libris are the only ones

Re: [CODE4LIB] Planet Code4Lib RSS feed

2010-06-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
the aggregated feed as a whole. -Ross. On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: Code4libbers, anyone want to help out debugging this? I'm kind of the 'steward' of the planet code4lib, but haven't really spent much time with it understanding it technically

Re: [CODE4LIB] Planet Code4Lib RSS feed

2010-06-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
technical stuff myself. I think there are way newer version of the planet software that it might be nice to migrate to. Jonathan Gregory McClellan wrote: I'd be willing to volunteer. -Greg On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.eduwrote: Thanks very much Ross

Re: [CODE4LIB] new version of cql-ruby

2010-06-16 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Jakob Voss wrote: Is there a nice piece of code or a tutorial or example how to easily wrap your Solr instance to get a full SRU/SRW and/or OpenSearch interface? Converting CQL to Solr query format is just one part of a wrapper isn't it? You are right, this is a building block, not a

[CODE4LIB] new version of cql-ruby

2010-06-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
cql-ruby is a ruby gem for parsing CQL, and serializing parse trees back to CQL, to xCQL, or to a solr query. A new version has been released, 0.8.0, available from gem update/install. The new version improves greatly on the #to_solr serialization as a solr query, providing support for

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ? On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: The trick here is that traditional library metadata practices make it _very hard_ to tell if a _specific volume/issue_ is held by a given library. And those

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
When I've tried to do this, it's been much harder than your story, I'm afraid. My library data is very inconsistent in the way it expresses it's holdings. Even _without_ missing items, the holdings are expressed in human-readable narrative form which is very difficult to parse reliably.

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I'm not sure what you mean by complete holdings? The library holds the entire run of the journal from the first issue printed to the last/current? Or just holdings that dont' include missing statements? Perhaps other institutions have more easily parseable holdings data (or even holdings data

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat as an OpenURL endpoint ?

2010-06-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
pieces and just need a schema and representation format, Onix Serial Holdings is nice! Jonathan Kyle Banerjee wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.eduwrote: I'm not sure what you mean by complete holdings? The library holds the entire run of the journal

Re: [CODE4LIB] Inlining HTTP Headers in URLs

2010-06-02 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Joe Hourcle wrote: On Tue, 1 Jun 2010, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: Accept-Ranges is a response header, not something that the client's supposed to be sending. Weird. Then can anyone explain why it's included as a request parameter in the SRU 2.0 draft? Section 4.9.2. Jonathan

Re: [CODE4LIB] SRU 2.0 / Accept-Ranges

2010-06-02 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
(was: Inlining HTTP Headers in URLs ) On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: Joe Hourcle wrote: Accept-Ranges is a response header, not something that the client's supposed to be sending. Weird. Then can anyone explain why it's included as a request

Re: [CODE4LIB] Inlining HTTP Headers in URLs

2010-06-02 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Erik Hetzner wrote: Accept-Encoding is a little strange. It is used for gzip or deflate compression, largely. I cannot imagine needing a link to a version that is gzipped. It is also hard to imagine why a link would want to specify the charset to be used, possibly overriding a client’s

Re: [CODE4LIB] Inlining HTTP Headers in URLs

2010-06-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
You could do this using mod_rewrite in apache alone, if you can find no better way to do it, if your app is apache-fronted. But it's not as obvious to me as it is to you that you ought to be able to do everything through a URL that you can using a complete interface to HTTP. I guess it is

Re: [CODE4LIB] Multi-server Search Engine response times: was - OASIS SRU and CQL, access to most-current drafts

2010-05-19 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Wait, but in the case you suspect is common, where you return results as soon as the first resource is returned, and subsequent results are added to the _end_ of the list I'm thinking that in most of these cases, the subsequent results will be several pages in, and the user will never

Re: [CODE4LIB] OASIS SRU and CQL, access to most-current drafts

2010-05-18 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
What terms do you suggest, Mike? I think we're doomed no matter what with these, after certain communities started to use federated search and metasearch in directly opposite ways. I also was told recently that what is called an accordion in English is called a bandoneon in Spanish, and

Re: [CODE4LIB] OASIS SRU and CQL, access to most-current drafts

2010-05-18 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Mike Taylor wrote: What communities? All I know is we here on this very list had some people _insisting_ that federated search _really_ meant aggregated index, and meta search _really_ meant broadcast search, and other people insisting the opposite. Both sides had citations to the

Re: [CODE4LIB] OASIS SRU and CQL, access to most-current drafts

2010-05-18 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Jakub Skoczen wrote: I wonder if someone, like Kuba, could design an 'extended async SRU' on top of SRU, that is very SRU like, but builds on top of it to add just enough operations for Kuba's use case area. I think that's the right way to approach it. Is there a particular

Re: [CODE4LIB] Query LCSH terms at id.loc.gov by modification date

2010-05-17 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I'm interested in hearing more about what you're doing with your solr index of LCSH terms. Do you have an application with documents _using_ those LCSH terms in Solr? I'm trying to figure out how to deal with an index of LCSH terms updated from 'authorities' like id.loc.gov, in an

Re: [CODE4LIB] Buy, Borrow, or Build

2010-05-10 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Yup. Buy, build, and borrow are pretty good categories. But sometimes you _think_ you're buying, but you really end up borrowing or even building. Other times, you can know and plan on borrowing or building even when you buy a proprietary vendor product. And as Ed mentions, another very

Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Service Outage Update

2010-05-10 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I _believe_ that the OCLC FirstSearch shibboleth server is still down, for anyone who tries to send their users to FirstSearch via Shibboleth. Simon Spero wrote: At least it wasn't a totally transparent UPS test scheduled for the Thursday of Thanksgiving weekend. My personal philosophy is

Re: [CODE4LIB] Open Source Federated Library Search

2010-05-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Theoretically, it sounds like Xerxes could maybe be rewritten to make PazPar2 an alternate metasearch engine, instead of Metalib as it uses now. The intended goal of Xerxes and PazPar2 complicate each other nicely and would work together well. Just another one to add to the list of cool

Re: [CODE4LIB] it's cool to hate on OpenURL (was: Twitter annotations...)

2010-05-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Here is the API response Umlaut provides to OpenURL requests with standard scholarly formats. This API response is of course to some extent customized to Umlaut's particular context/use cases, it was not neccesarily intended to be any kind of standard -- certainly not with as wide-ranging

Re: [CODE4LIB] SRU/ZeeRex explain question : record schemas

2010-05-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
=marcxml titleMARCXML/title /schema Is this what you're looking for? --Ray - Original Message - From: Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:57 PM Subject: [CODE4LIB] SRU/ZeeRex explain question : record schemas This page: http

Re: [CODE4LIB] SRU/ZeeRex explain question : record schemas

2010-05-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Denenberg, Library of Congress wrote: From: Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu Another question though. I note when looking up schemaInfo... I'm a bit confused by the sort attribute. How could you sort by a schema? What is this attribute actually for? Well indulge me, this is best

Re: [CODE4LIB] MODS and DCTERMS

2010-05-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I'm still confused about all this stuff too, but I've often see the oai_dc format (for OAI/PMH I think?) used as a 'standard' way to expose simple DC attributes. One thing I was confused about was whether the oai_dc format _required_ the use of the old style DC uri's, or also allowed the use

[CODE4LIB] SRU/ZeeRex explain question : CQL version?

2010-05-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
. Okay in the SRU/ZeeRex explain document, how do you advertise which version of CQL you support, 1.1 or 1.2? Or is this just implied by which version of SRU you support, 1.1 or 1.2? How do you advertise THAT in an SRU/ZeeRex explain? Jonathan Jonathan Rochkind wrote: I think

Re: [CODE4LIB] Handling non-Unicode characters (was: Unicode persistence)

2010-05-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Hmm, you could theoretically assign chars in the private unicode area to the chars you need -- but then have your application replace those chars by small images on rendering/display. This seems as clean a solution as you are likely to find. Your TEI solution still requires chars-as-images

Re: [CODE4LIB] A call for your OPAC (or other system) statistics! (Browse interfaces)

2010-05-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
When it's actually a reference librarian using it for reference/research tasks, I think it can be a legitimate use case -- so long as you remember that it is representative of only a certain type of expert searcher (not neccesarily even every searcher requiring sophisticated or complex

[CODE4LIB] SRU/ZeeRex explain question : record schemas

2010-04-30 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
This page: http://www.loc.gov/standards/sru/resources/schemas.html says: The Explain document lists the XML schemas for a given database in which records may be transferred. Every schemas is unambiguously identified by a URI and a server may assign a short name, which may or may not be the

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I agree that OpenURL is crappy. My point was that the problem case -- 'identifying' (or describing an element sufficient for identification, if you like to call it that) publications that do not have standard identifiers -- is a real one. OpenURL _does_ solve it. You _probably_ don't want

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Yes, what MJ said is indeed exactly my perspective as well. MJ Suhonos wrote: It's not that it's cool to hate on OpenURL, but if you've really worked with it it's easy to grow bitter. Well, fair enough. Perhaps what I'm defending isn't OpenURL per se, but rather the concept of being

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I wouldn't count on the community using anything, just because random people on the listserv voted on it. If you're coding it, you should take account of the feedback, and then go on and create something that YOU will use, and makes sense to you. And then hope other people do too. That's

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Benjamin Young wrote: Additionally (as someone outside of the library community proper), OpenURL's dependence on resolvers would be the largest concern. This is a misconception. An OpenURL context object can be created to provide structured semantic citation information, without any

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Jakob Voss wrote: I. Identifiy publication = this can *only* be done seriously with identifiers like ISBN, DOI, OCLCNum, LCCN etc. Ah, but for better or for worse, that's not the world we live in. We have LOTS of publications that either lack such identifiers altogether, or where

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Jakob Voss wrote: There are lookup services to get a standard identifier when only some bibliographic data is known - mainly OpenURL. A standard identifier is not always _available_ -- even if you have access to a service to look up standard identifiers ( a not neccesarily realistic

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Has anyone actually gotten up a _server-side_ process that uses CSL to produce formatted citations? Using the citeproc-js with a certain custom compiled js interpreter, or anything else? This is what I'm interested in -- I'm not concerned with making it run in a browser, so custom compiled

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Jakob Voss wrote: Call me pedantic but if you do not have an identifier than there is no hope to identity the publication by means of metadata. You only *describe* it with metadata and use additional heuristics (mostly search engines) to hopefully identify the publication based on the

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib server downtime needed

2010-04-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Eh, just do it when you've got to do it, says me. Just let us know in advance when you're scheduling to do it, and how long you think the outage will be, and maybe remind us what services are effected if you know either! Please don't wake up at 4am for your unpaid gig for us, we've got to do

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-21 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
So almost all of those identifiers can be formatted as a URI. Although sometimes it takes an info: uri, which some people don't like, but I like, for reasons relevant to their usefulness here. ISBN, ISSN, LCCN, and OCLCnum all have registered info: URI sub-schemes. I once tried to figure

Re: [CODE4LIB] What do you want out of a frbrized data web service?

2010-04-21 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
, it requires an interative process of people trying to use it and seeing what they need. I know this makes things hard from a grant-funded project management perspective. Jonathan Riley, Jenn wrote: On 4/20/10 7:18 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: But first, to really

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-21 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
another URL, at least in the first instance. That at least doubles the calls involved, and makes whatever you build dependent on lots of external services that may or may not work. Best, Tim On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: So almost all of those

Re: [CODE4LIB] What do you want out of a frbrized data web service?

2010-04-20 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I started preparing a longer answer to this, and still will provide one eventually. But first, to really answer the question, we need some more information from you. What data do you actually have of value? Just saying we have FRBRized data doesn't really tell me, FRBRized data can be almost

Re: [CODE4LIB] SerSol 360Link API?

2010-04-19 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
replacement for 360 Link. If anyone's already done that, I'd be keen to hear more. regards Dave Pattern University of Huddersfield From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind [rochk...@jhu.edu] Sent: 19 April 2010 03

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