[CODE4LIB] SerSol 360Link API?

2010-04-18 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Is anyone using the SerSol 360Link API in a real-world production or near-production application? If so, I'm curious what you are using it for, what your experiences have been, and in particular if you have information on typical response times of their web API. You could reply on list or off

Re: [CODE4LIB] A newbie question

2010-04-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
The other confusing thing is it depends on what you mean by Dublin Core. The phrase has been used to refer to _at least_ two entirely different things: 1) A (very) simple list of data elements, that is a controlled vocabulary for fields. 2) A much more complex standard way of building out

Re: [CODE4LIB] NoSQL - is this a real thing or a flash in the pan?

2010-04-12 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
The thing is, the NoSQL stuff is pretty much just a key-value store. There's generally no way to query the store, instead you can simply look up a document by ID. If this meets the needs of your application, all you need is a key-value store, and not any kind of query, then it's definitely

Re: [CODE4LIB] NoSQL - is this a real thing or a flash in the pan?

2010-04-12 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: The thing is, the NoSQL stuff is pretty much just a key-value store. There's generally no way to query the store, instead you can simply look up a document by ID. Actually, this depends largely on the NoSQL DBMS in question. Some are key

Re: [CODE4LIB] NoSQL - is this a real thing or a flash in the pan?

2010-04-12 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
There are at least TWO good marc2json formats, and several open source scripts at least for Bill Dueber's, no? Benjamin Young wrote: On 4/12/10 4:47 PM, Ryan Eby wrote: You could put your logs, marc records broken out by fields or arrays/hashes (types in couchdb) in any of them but the

Re: [CODE4LIB] Next-generation policy for WorldCat records?open for community review

2010-04-11 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I'm trying to get a handle on the new policy as compared to the old policy, and what it really means. All in all, it seems much more vague than the first draft, no longer trying to be an obligatory legal contract like the first draft was -- in this way more similar to the old 1987 policy. If

Re: [CODE4LIB] local c4l chatter and the listserv

2010-04-10 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
to announce things on the main list, such as we're holding this here event, and/or if you are interested in this event, sign up on this related discussion list. I'm not a big fan of architecting to an end case, and it feels like that's what this is. -- jaf On Apr 9, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Jonathan

Re: [CODE4LIB] OpenURL aggregator not doing so well

2010-04-09 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I live in fear of the day that spammers discover they can get on planet.code4lib.org (actually a fairly highly google ranked page) by tagging on delicious. Probably have to drop delicious from the planet.code4lib at that point. From: Code for

[CODE4LIB] local c4l chatter and the listserv

2010-04-09 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
We are stuck between two problems, with some people thinking only one of these is/would be a problem, and others not caring at all either way: * Local conference/meetup planning chatter overwhelms the listserv when it's on the main listserv * People don't find out about local

Re: [CODE4LIB] Recent Digital Library/Library IT Jobs on DigitalKoans

2010-04-07 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
For that matter, if you're interested in managing a jobs.code4lib.org site, we could probably do something like that. Ed Summers wrote: Hey Charles, How do these jobs end up on your blog again? It seems like you have a lot of good content. Given the number of jobs that are posted on here and

[CODE4LIB] Zotero, unapi, and formats?

2010-04-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Anyone know if there's any developer documentation for Zotero on it's use of unAPI? Alternately, anyone know where I can find the answers to these questions, or know the answers to these questions themselves? 1. What formats will Zotero use via unAPI. What mime content-types does it use to

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero, unapi, and formats?

2010-04-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
/extension/trunk/translators/unAPI.js i'd say: ad 1. RECOGNIZABLE_FORMATS = [mods, marc, endnote, ris, bibtex, rdf] also see function checkFormats ad 2. the order listed above ad 4.: from my experience the unapi scraper takes precedence over coins On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero, unapi, and formats?

2010-04-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: Wait, does it actually recognize the format by the format _name_ used, and not by a mime content-type? Like unless my unAPI server calls the endnote format endnote, it won't recognize it? That would be odd, and good to know. I thought the unAPI format

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero, unapi, and formats?

2010-04-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
RIS output is better than my endnote output, but there's no way for me to tell Zotero that. For Mirlyn I ended up just having exactly one format listed in my unapi-server file. Which is dumb. But I'm not sure what else to do. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote

Re: [CODE4LIB] Looking for advice for project to tranform MARC bib data into work records

2010-04-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I don't have enough experience with that problem area to be sure of what's out there and what would work, but I was pretty impressed with the presentation on the XC Metadata Toolkit at the recent Code4Lib conference, I think it is designed to do at least some, if not all, of your tasks you

Re: [CODE4LIB] Works API

2010-03-30 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Karen Coyle wrote: The OL only has full text links, but the link goes to a page at the Internet Archive that lists all of the available formats. I would prefer that the link go directly to a display of the book, and offer other formats from there (having to click twice really turns people

Re: [CODE4LIB] planet code4lib code

2010-03-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Ah, I hadn't known about Oloh, that looks pretty nice thanks Galen. What sorts of repos can oloh work with? Or does oloh not even get into the repo level, it's just a registration of projects or something? Galen Charlton wrote: Hi, On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia external links and linked data

2010-03-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Hmm, just because a given page is linked to from a wikipedia page, can one assume that the target of the link is about the same thing as the original page? I'm not sure how often this assumption would be violated? Ed Summers wrote: On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Lars Aronsson

Re: [CODE4LIB] planet code4lib code (was: newbie)

2010-03-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Plus'ing it is one thing, but I have no idea what such a thing would actually look like (interface-wise), or how it would be accomplished. I'm not sure what it means exactly. It's an interesting idea, but anyone have any idea what it would actually look like? Hmm, an aggregated feed of the

Re: [CODE4LIB] valueforkey in javascript

2010-03-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Are you sure you're talking Javascript, and not Java? I'm used to valueForKey from Apple Objective C and Java code. It's a pattern/idea originally imported from NextStep/Objective C, and put into Apple classes even in Java. something.valueForKey(key) is nothing more or less than calling

Re: [CODE4LIB] planet code4lib code (was: newbie)

2010-03-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
code4lib code (was: newbie) Quoting Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu: Hmm, an aggregated feed of the commit logs (from repos that offer feeds, as most do), of open source projects of interest to the code4lib community. Would that be at all useful? I think that's a start but I'd imagine

Re: [CODE4LIB] Variations/FRBR project relases FRBR XML Schemas

2010-03-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
not seeing a problem. Jonathan Karen Coyle wrote: Quoting Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu: A big mistake, if it means what we think it means, that RDA has decided that a given Manifestation can not contain several Expressions. I'm not sure they've actually stated that, although that seems

Re: [CODE4LIB] Variations/FRBR project releases FRBR XML Schemas

2010-03-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
If you model work of works MobyDick+A, then you've simply got to make sure the contains relationship is there to the simple work Moby Dick, right? Then that would allow the particular manifestation of MobyDick+A to be grouped with all the MobyDicks, since the system knows it contains a

Re: [CODE4LIB] Variations/FRBR project relases FRBR XML Schemas

2010-03-22 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
A big mistake, if it means what we think it means, that RDA has decided that a given Manifestation can not contain several Expressions. Riley, Jenn wrote: What the RDA folks (that is, the folks who have created RDA, the JSC members) said (some of them off-list to me), is that if your

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies

2010-03-20 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
¹ (etc.) * Names that haven¹t made it into an authority record are definitely helpful, but can we suggest a way to sort and rank them more usefully (for the user) on the page? Your thoughts? Ya¹aqov On 3/19/10 2:35 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: I don't think

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies

2010-03-20 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
¹ (etc.) * Names that haven¹t made it into an authority record are definitely helpful, but can we suggest a way to sort and rank them more usefully (for the user) on the page? Your thoughts? Ya¹aqov On 3/19/10 2:35 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: I don't think

Re: [CODE4LIB] WorldCat Terminologies

2010-03-19 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I don't think the inclusion of non-NAF headings in Identities is a flaw, it's a benefit to the purpose of Identities not to be held back by the somewhat glacial pace of change in NAF. But you're right, the right tool for the job, I don't know that any of the existing OCLC free (or included

Re: [CODE4LIB] Variations/FRBR project relases FRBR XML Schemas

2010-03-18 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Karen Coyle wrote: Quoting Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu: So there's no way to call an aggregate a Work/Expression _instead of_ a manifestation, if that aggregate is an actual physical item in your hand. No, no one said instead of. What the RDA folks (that is, the folks who

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: XML2JSON converter [MARC-JSON]

2010-03-18 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
cares much. I would like to see ind1 and ind2 get their own fields, though, for easier use of stuff like jsonpath in json-centric nosql databases. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.eduwrote: I would just ask why you didn't use Bill Dueber's already existing proto

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: XML2JSON converter [MARC-JSON]

2010-03-18 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
was specifically looking for a mention of collections. newline-delimited JSON would work, yes, and probably be easier / faster / less memory-intensive to parse. Dan Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu 03/18/10 10:41 AM So do you think the marc-hash-to-json proto-spec should suggest

Re: [CODE4LIB] Variations/FRBR project relases FRBR XML Schemas

2010-03-18 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Joe Hourcle wrote: The group's two proposals were to model aggregates as works, or as manifestatons, so RDA seems to be on their own modeling them as expressions: See, this is what I don't understa.d As works, or as manifestations?? In the FRBR model, every single manifestation belongs

Re: [CODE4LIB] Variations/FRBR project relases FRBR XML Schemas

2010-03-17 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Karen Coyle wrote: And if the individual things inside the aggregate ALSO exist on their own independently (or in OTHER aggregations)... and you want to model that (which you may NOT want to spend time modelling in the individual cases, depending on context)... dont' those individual things

Re: [CODE4LIB] Variations/FRBR project relases FRBR XML Schemas

2010-03-17 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Karen Coyle wrote: I think this becomes a question of how we express WEMI -- you can always link from/to any WEMI using contains or contained in -- so you can always link to all of the Works in an aggregate. What I would like to achieve is for different decisions (like one community

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: XML2JSON converter [MARC-JSON]

2010-03-16 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Bill's format would allow there to be a control field and a data field with the same tag, however, so it's all good either way. Ere Maijala wrote: On 03/15/2010 06:22 PM, Houghton,Andrew wrote: Secondly, Bill's specification looses semantics from ISO 2709, as I previously pointed out. His

Re: [CODE4LIB] Variations/FRBR project relases FRBR XML Schemas

2010-03-16 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
If a text aggregate is an expression -- that expression must belong to SOME work though, right? And if the individual things inside the aggregate ALSO exist on their own independently (or in OTHER aggregations)... and you want to model that (which you may NOT want to spend time modelling in

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: XML2JSON converter [MARC-JSON]

2010-03-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I would just ask why you didn't use Bill Dueber's already existing proto-spec, instead of making up your own incomptable one. I'd think we could somehow all do the same consistent thing here. Since my interest in marc-json is getting as small a package as possible for transfer accross the

Re: [CODE4LIB] Conference followup; open position at Google Cambridge

2010-03-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Michael Beccaria wrote: We will be switching over to VuFind this summer and I will likely use GB in a similar way with that interface as well. I plan (hopefully this summer) to build a web service that uses OCLC Web Services, Open Library, Hathi Trust, and Google Books to search for and return

[CODE4LIB] questions about 2011 conference proposal

2010-03-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
(Code4Lib listserv, Robert McDonald CC'd). I have a question about the Bloomington Code4Lib conference proposal. (I would personally be quite happy for the conference to be in Bloomington). I note that the actual IU conference center has under 200 rooms. Probably not enough for all attendees

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.hu meetup

2010-03-10 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
There's nobody to ask formal permission for, but I think you've done the right thing by suggesting it on this listserv and seeing what the community thinks. As one member of the community, I think that's a great idea and an appropriate use of the code4Lib name, and I expect that everyone else

[CODE4LIB] ignore my last message

2010-03-08 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
As usual, I'm great at sending the WORST messages to the wrong list. My email client is messing up all over. Please do not reply to that one on list, please ignore it, and Eric please remove it from teh archives is possible. Man, today is not my day. I've got to stop using email for a year

Re: [CODE4LIB] ignore my last message

2010-03-08 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
In this case, I have nobody to blame but my email client autocomplete, and the fact that i had to try to send the message like five times to get it to go through, and one of those times didn't catch my autocomplete doing the wrong thing. Mike Taylor wrote: On 8 March 2010 17:04, Jonathan

Re: [CODE4LIB] [WC-DEVNET-L] SpringerLink eBooks for SUNY

2010-03-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Plus I believe you are prohibited by terms of service from using the Terminologies service for cataloging. So let's say that in some cases, if you aren't using it for cataloging, and are willing to deal with no service assurance, Terminologies service can replace other databases. I'm sure

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

2010-03-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
If you live on the same continent as me, I'm pretty sure Asheville NC is a lot closer to the east coast than to the west, no? It was, however, in West Carolina, a state I hadn't previously known existed. (Just kidding). From: Code for Libraries

Re: [CODE4LIB] Planet code4lib - FLICKR

2010-03-02 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
to removing delicious as well +1 to jrochkind using his discretion -Mike On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:36, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: Yep, I agree, I'll remove flickr from the planet. CC'ing code4lib listserv in case anyone cares, you can make your

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals

2010-03-02 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Why would the fact that they are both in Canada make you (or anyone else) have to choose between them? I'm not following. One is in Feb, one is in (what?) September. If you can go to two confs one in Feb and one in Sep when one is in somewhere in Canada and one is in somewhere in the US...

Re: [CODE4LIB] Planet code4lib - FLICKR

2010-03-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
, if photos must be posted, can they be posted to a single web page so that feed readers don't get clogged up with 200 or so photos. There must have been at least that many in these past few days. I'm sorry, but I am unable to help you in this regard. Maybe Jonathan Rochkind rochk

Re: [CODE4LIB] Planet code4lib - FLICKR

2010-03-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:36, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: Yep, I agree, I'll remove flickr from the planet. CC'ing code4lib listserv in case anyone cares, you can make your case (on list or in private email to me), but at the moment as 'editor' of the planet I'm exersizing my editorial

Re: [CODE4LIB] HathiTrust API

2010-02-24 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Do you mean what's the mime-type for RIS files? (RIS != Refworks, I forget what RIS stands for, but it's used by many reference managers, and may have originally been invented by EndNote?) There isn't a registered MIME type for RIS. Googling around, it looks like the preferred one is:

Re: [CODE4LIB] HathiTrust API

2010-02-24 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
send Refworks their preferred tagged format now, I just don't know what MIME type to use. On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: Do you mean what's the mime-type for RIS files? (RIS != Refworks, I forget what RIS stands for, but it's used by many reference

Re: [CODE4LIB] Van Departure list updated...

2010-02-18 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Awesome, thanks so much Jill. I am on a manifest for Sunday airport-to-hotel. When arriving at the Asheville airport, how do I find this van? [ This info may be on the wiki somewhere I'm missing, sorry! ] Jonathan Jill Ellern wrote: Hey Code4Lib attendees, Well I spend another day in

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: MARC formats in XML

2010-02-16 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Do you mean MARC-XML? http://www.loc.gov/standards/marcxml/ But I'm not sure schemas exist that will actually validate the semantic content you want validated. Jonathan Houghton,Andrew wrote: Does anybody know whether the MARC formats at: http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/

[CODE4LIB] marc documentation?

2010-01-27 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I know I've seen documetnation on the LC site before for since-abandoned marc bib tags, like 400. But I can't for the life of me find it now navigating around the website or googling. does anyone know where this is? Jonathan

Re: [CODE4LIB] marc documentation?

2010-01-27 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
== David Walker Library Web Services Manager California State University http://xerxes.calstate.edu From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind [rochk...@jhu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:59 AM

Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-25 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Ha! Are librarians known subversives or something? Or maybe it just sounded like the sort of thing you'd be bringing large amounts of merchandise back from, that you might be trying to escape paying import taxes on. Sounded erroneously like that, in fact, because even ALA is not generally

Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Americans can no longer get into Canada without passports, even driving accross the border. Not even a birth certificate will do anymore. Officially this went into effect last spring sometime, but they had a delayed grace period, which I'm guessing is up, or at least I wouldn't want to risk

Re: [CODE4LIB] Choosing development platforms and/or tools, how'd you do it?

2010-01-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Taking time to explore is rarely a a waste of time in this area, because exploring is how you learn in programming/software engineering. marijane white wrote: I may have worded that poorly, abstract reasons to choose a language was exactly what I was looking for. Your suggestion matches my

[CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Journal, article accepted, Open Source in Name, but not in Nature

2010-01-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
if it doesn't! Please note that final drafts must always be approved by a vote of the Editorial Committee before being published; in this case we'll definitely want to make sure the article is constructive and not an attack. Looking forward to working with you, Jonathan Rochkind

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Something I tried to write about in my article in LJ, is, yes, every project needs to start somewhere. But you need to evaluate your own capacity, and compare that against the maturity of the software and the community. You need more internal capacity to deal with immature software with an

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I think you may find yourself somewhat in the minority in thinking Apache is bad software. (I certainly have my complaints about it, but in general I find it more robust, flexible, and bug-free than just about any other software I work with). But aside from getting into a war about some

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Francis Kayiwa wrote: IMHO good open source software is driven by people with an itch to fix. The community develops and can be cultivated around this itch rather than world domination. The project _MUST_ well documented [0] ideally actively maintained. The support of this software will

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Quality of code in general: How well-designed is the code architecture, for maintenance and debugging? [This not only matters if you plan to do in-house development with it, but matters for predicting how likely the product is to stay 'alive' and continue to evolve with the times, instead

Re: [CODE4LIB] yaoss4ll

2009-12-22 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Putting it on a wiki anyone can edit makes it, perhaps, somewhat more likely that it ends up maintained longer, making it easier for other people to get involved in maintaining it without technological barriers or proprietary feelings getting in the way. Jonathan Eric Lease Morgan wrote: On

Re: [CODE4LIB] character-sets for dummies?

2009-12-16 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
So, character encodings are really confusing, even for those who have dealt with them before. I'm not sure if there is a good 'dealing with character encodings for dummies' book, but if there is, I think I could use it too! But from your case, I can say:Ideally your source records are in

Re: [CODE4LIB] University of Rochester Releases IR+ Institutional Repository System

2009-12-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I would appreciate that too. And if you want to write an article for the Code4Lib Journal on how it differs from other IR software, why you did it, and how you did it, it would be welcome. :) Jonathan Michael Beccaria wrote: Nathan, Can you summarize how the IR+ software is different than

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: Well, here's the trick about handles, as I understand it. A handle, for instance, a DOI, is 10.1074/jbc.M004545200. Well, actually, it could be: 10.1074/jbc.M004545200 doi:10.1074/jbc.M004545200 info:doi/10.1074

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
of obliquely say this. http://www.handle.net/factsheet.html Anyway, good to have it made explicit. Tom On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: The actual handle ...

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
/46087 I suppose I should have understood this point since the Handle service does sort of obliquely say this. http://www.handle.net/factsheet.html Anyway, good to have it made explicit. Tom On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: The actual handle ...

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-17 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
So I have no actual experience with this. But you have to pay for DOI's. I've never done it, but I don't think you neccesarily have to run your own purl server -- CrossRef takes care of it. Of course, if your documents are going to be moving all over the place, if you run your own purl

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-17 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Bucknell, Terry wrote: Note that as well as registering DOIs for the articles in LLT, LLT would be obliged to link to the articles cited by LLT articles (for cited articles that have DOIs too). Huh, I didn't know that. I understand the motivation, but investigating whether every cited

Re: [CODE4LIB] deadline for preconference proposals

2009-11-12 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
As a practical matter, I need to get my travel approvals and make my travel plans quite in advance. I can only get approval for a pre-conf I know about, so if a pre-conf comes too late, it won't be something I can possibly attend. I expect I am not alone here. I would suggest that you should

Re: [CODE4LIB] svn repos for CONTENTdm configurable files

2009-10-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Cloutman, David wrote: of software.) However, because of the way the application is architected, there are some key parts of the application that I do not want loaded into the repository, such as temporary files that store a PID. You may be able to simply use svn-ignore settings to

Re: [CODE4LIB] AquaBrowser Libraries Group

2009-10-26 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
But that doesnt' prevent people discussing AquaBrowser in other forums as well, does it? Joe Atzberger wrote: I'm fairly confident there is not, just that the new list intends to (self-) select just licensed users. --Joe On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Cloutman, David

[CODE4LIB] help on displaying lcsh from MARC

2009-09-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Hi all, I'm writing some marc record display code, and I have a question about the 'right' way to display LCSH headings. LCSH headings are typically displayed with -- between components. But looking at the MARC, it looks like the -- punctuation isn't actually in the MARC field. (A rare

Re: [CODE4LIB] help on displaying lcsh from MARC

2009-09-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
associated with the content of subfield $v, $x, $y, and $z. From http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd600.html -Tod On Sep 23, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: Hi all, I'm writing some marc record display code, and I have a question about the 'right' way to display LCSH headings

Re: [CODE4LIB] help on displaying lcsh from MARC

2009-09-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
/bibliographic/bd600.html -Tod On Sep 23, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: Hi all, I'm writing some marc record display code, and I have a question about the 'right' way to display LCSH headings. LCSH headings are typically displayed with -- between components. But looking

Re: [CODE4LIB] Implementing OpenURL for simple web resources

2009-09-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
O.Stephens wrote: True. How, from the OpenURL, are you going to know that the rft is meant to represent a website? I guess that was part of my question. But no one has suggested defining a new metadata profile for websites (which I probably would avoid tbh). DC doesn't seem to offer a

Re: [CODE4LIB] Implementing OpenURL for simple web resources

2009-09-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Wait, are you really going to try to do this with _SFX_ too? I missed that part. Oh boy. Seriously, I think you are in for a world of painful hacky kludge. Rosalyn Metz wrote: Owen, The reason I suggest a source parser rather than a target parser is that handling the openurl based on the

Re: [CODE4LIB] Implementing OpenURL for simple web resources

2009-09-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
O.Stephens wrote: Thanks Rosalyn, As you say we could push a custom value into rfr_genre. I'm a bit torn on this, as I guess I'm trying to do something that isn't 'hacky' - or at least not from the OpenURL end of it. It might be that this is just wishful thinking, and that I'm just trying to

Re: [CODE4LIB] Implementing OpenURL for simple web resources

2009-09-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Most link resolvers aren't going to know what to do with that -- they aren't going to know that that OpenURL is meant to represent a web page, and that the URL in rft_id should be provided to the user. In general, identifiers in URI form are put in rft_id that are NOT meant for providing to

Re: [CODE4LIB] Implementing OpenURL for simple web resources

2009-09-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
, out of curiosity, will your own link resolver software automatically take rft_id's and display them to the user as links? Jonathan Eric Hellman wrote: Could you give us examples of http urls in rft_id that are like that? I've never seen such. On Sep 14, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Jonathan Rochkind

Re: [CODE4LIB] Implementing OpenURL for simple web resources

2009-09-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Eric Hellman wrote: http://catalog.library.jhu.edu/bib/NUM identifies a catalog record- I mean what else would you use to id the catalog record. unless you've implemented the http-range 303 redirect recommendation in your catalog (http://www.w3.org/TR/cooluris/), it shouldn't be construed

Re: [CODE4LIB] Implementing OpenURL for simple web resources

2009-09-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
be a good one for it. just my 2 cents. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.eduwrote: Well, in the 'wild' I barely see any rft_id's at all, heh. Aside from the obvious non-http URIs in rft_id, I'm not sure if I've seen http URIs that don't resolve to full text

Re: [CODE4LIB] Implementing OpenURL for simple web resources

2009-09-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Yes, what Nate said is what I'm trying to say. Nate, they aren't _trying_ to use the target URL as a uniquely identifying key. They're _trying_ to use it as... a target URL! They just can't find anywhere but rft_id to stick a target URL. But the problem with that is exactly what Nate

Re: [CODE4LIB] Implementing OpenURL for simple web resources

2009-09-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
to do. On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: Eric Hellman wrote: http://catalog.library.jhu.edu/bib/NUM identifies a catalog record- I mean what else would you use to id the catalog record. unless you've implemented the http-range 303 redirect recommendation

Re: [CODE4LIB] Implementing OpenURL for simple web resources

2009-09-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
other than OpenURL to use, especially one that's not just library world and (unlike OpenURL IMO) makes easy things simple and provides flexibility to do more complicated things more complicatedly... I'd never consider using OpenURL. Jonathan Mike Taylor wrote: 2009/9/14 Jonathan Rochkind

Re: [CODE4LIB] Implementing OpenURL for simple web resources

2009-09-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Yep, that's a pretty good summary of my personal advice Joe, thanks. Obviously others like Eric may have other opinions, that's just mine. Joe Hourcle wrote: On Mon, 14 Sep 2009, Mike Taylor wrote: 2009/9/14 Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu: Seriously, don't use OpenURL unless you

Re: [CODE4LIB] Implementing OpenURL for simple web resources

2009-09-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
to discover whether a url leads somewhere or not. On Sep 14, 2009, at 2:23 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: I disagree. Putting URIs that unamiguously identify the referent, and in some cases provide additional 'hooks' by virtue of additional identifiers (local bibID, OCLCnum, LCCN, etc

Re: [CODE4LIB] Implementing OpenURL for simple web resources

2009-09-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
O.Stephens wrote: I guess it is part of the reason that I'm asking the question, as if we also know that the rft was a website, it would be very odd behaviour (I think) to use an http URI in the rft_id that wasn't the website URL? True. How, from the OpenURL, are you going to know that the

Re: [CODE4LIB] Implementing OpenURL for simple web resources

2009-09-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I still think that rft_id IS meant to be a unique identifier! Again, 5.2.1 of z3988 says of the *_id fields: An Identifier Descriptor unambiguously specifies the Entity by means of a Uniform Resource Identifier (URI). I guess 'unambiguous' isn't exactly the same thing as 'unique',

Re: [CODE4LIB] Book recommendation

2009-09-09 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I am a big fan of the original Design Patterns book, myself. http://www.amazon.com/Design-Patterns-Elements-Reusable-Object-Oriented/dp/0201633612 But just reading the book alone won't do as much as reading the book AND working with code that is written using the lessons of the book. The

Re: [CODE4LIB] FW: PURL Server Update 2

2009-09-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Duplantis, Patricia A. wrote: On- and off-site redundant back-up of all critical hardware and systems is and will continue to be performed by GPO. I don't really understand how this is consistent with: Though the hardware configuration was restored, GPO has worked continuously, including

[CODE4LIB] XML schemas question

2009-07-27 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Anyone familiar with XML schemas (.xsd)? Can you help me figure something out. Is there something in the schema that specifies what elements can serve as the 'root node'... or is any element described in the schema avaialable for use as a 'root node', and it'll still validate? Thanks for

Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: [NGC4LIB] Integrating with your ILS through Web services and APIs

2009-07-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Eric Lease Morgan wrote: I heard someplace recently that APIs are the newest form of vendor lock-in. What's your take? When they are custom vendor-specific APIs and not standards-based APIs, they can definitely function that way. I'm still not sure if even a vendor-specific API is more or

Re: [CODE4LIB] Suggest a keynote speaker for Code4Lib 2010!

2009-07-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Yeah, just to counter the pro-Stallman mania, I personally would be completely non-plussed by Stallman as a keynote speaker, based on my experience seeing him before. But I guess that's why we vote. David Fiander wrote: If you were to invite Stallman as your keynote, that would certainly make

Re: [CODE4LIB] Long way to be a good coder in library

2009-07-22 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I do think that what language you choose to learn in will effect what you learn though. As someone else mentioned, which was a good point, being exposed to good code is the best thing to help you learn to write it. And on that basis, PHP is maybe not a good choice, and Perl can be...

[CODE4LIB] speaking of code4lib wiki pages on programming...

2009-07-22 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Also note, as far as wiki posts, for those at a slightly more intermediate level, me and BillDueber tried starting this out, to try and develop some common knowledge about how to make a shared open source codebase that can actually be shared and not forked. Please feel free to add to or edit

Re: [CODE4LIB] Setting users google scholar settings

2009-07-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
When I've experimented with this, I haven't been able to figure out a way to set my institution in their preferences, without _removing_ any existing institutions they may have already chosen. I don't want to over-write their existing preferences, if any, I just want to add my institution to

Re: [CODE4LIB] tricky mod_rewrite

2009-07-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Apache docs say: *Notice:* If your webserver's URLs are *not* directly related to physical file paths, you have to use |RewriteBase| in every |.htaccess| files where you want to use |RewriteRule| directives. So probably not. I don't use .htaccess files that much myself. But I've run into

Re: [CODE4LIB] tricky mod_rewrite

2009-07-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
If you do find the answer, let me know. I've been looking for a while too, and unsuccesful. Thanks for that pointer to that weird workaround to variables in the right-hand side, I didn't know about that and it could be useful. mod_rewrite totally drives me to mythical sendmail levels of

Re: [CODE4LIB] HTML mark-up in MARC records

2009-06-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I agree with Ere that XML isn't the real issue here, in understanding why embedding HTML in MARC is nevertheless something to be avoided if at all possible. :) Ere Maijala wrote: Jon Gorman wrote: You could substitute XML with e.g. Base64 encoding if it makes thinking about this stuff

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