Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Jakob Voss jakob.v...@gbv.de wrote: If you want to put bibliographic metadata into twitter annotations (good idea) you first need to clarify the basic purpose of embedding this information. I see two of them: I. Identification: To identify other tweets and resources that refer to the same publication II. Description: To nicely show which publication someone refers to. I think this is right. I wonder, would you consider a potential use case for Description to also provide machine readable data for a resource when a standard identifier is not known? It would be interesting to explore what identifiers + csl (and other options) would look like in a twitter annotation if you had time to mock something up in a wiki somewhere :-) //Ed [1] http://citationstyles.org/citation-style-language/schema/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software
Hi it's funny how quickly you vote against BibTeX, but at least it is a format that is frequently used in the wild to create citations. If you call BibTeX undocumented and garbage then how do you call MARC which is far more difficult to make use of? My assumption was that there is a specific use case for bibliographic data in twitter annotations: I. Identifiy publication = this can *only* be done seriously with identifiers like ISBN, DOI, OCLCNum, LCCN etc. II. Deliver a citation = use a citation-oriented format (BibTeX, CSL, RIS) I was not voting explicitly for BibTeX but at least there is a large community that can make use of it. I strongly favour CSL (http://citationstyles.org/) because: - there is a JavaScript CSL-Processor. JavaScript is kind of a punishment but it is the natural environment for the Web 2.0 Mashup crowd that is going to implement applications that use Twitter annotations - there are dozens of CSL citation styles so you can display a citation in any way you want As Ross pointed out RIS would be an option too, but I miss the easy open source tools that use RIS to create citations from RIS data. Any other relevant format that I know (Bibont, MODS, MARC etc.) does not aim at identification or citation at the first place but tries to model the full variety of bibliographic metadata. If your use case is III. Provide semantic properties and connections of a publication Then you should look at the Bibliographic Ontology. But III does *not* just subsume usecase II. - it is a different story that is not beeing told by normal people but only but metadata experts, semantic web gurus, library system developers etc. (I would count me to this groups). If you want such complex data then you should use other systems but Twitter for data exchange anyway. A list of CSL metadata fields can be found at http://citationstyles.org/downloads/specification.html#appendices and the JavaScript-Processor (which is also used in Zotero) provides more information for developers: http://groups.google.com/group/citeproc-js Cheers Jakob P.S: An example of a CSL record from the JavaScript client: { title: True Crime Radio and Listener Disenchantment with Network Broadcasting, 1935-1946, author: [ { family: Razlogova, given: Elena } ], container-title: American Quarterly, volume: 58, page: 137-158, issued: { date-parts: [ [2006, 3] ] }, type: article-journal } -- Jakob Voß jakob.v...@gbv.de, skype: nichtich Verbundzentrale des GBV (VZG) / Common Library Network Platz der Goettinger Sieben 1, 37073 Göttingen, Germany +49 (0)551 39-10242, http://www.gbv.de
Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 4:17 AM, Jakob Voss jakob.v...@gbv.de wrote: P.S: An example of a CSL record from the JavaScript client: { title: True Crime Radio and Listener Disenchantment with Network Broadcasting, 1935-1946, author: [ { family: Razlogova, given: Elena } ], container-title: American Quarterly, volume: 58, page: 137-158, issued: { date-parts: [ [2006, 3] ] }, type: article-journal } This looks really nice for the Description side. Has the JSON serialization for CSL been detailed anywhere yet? //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software
We've had problems with RIS on a recent project. Although there is a specification (http://www.refman.com/support/risformat_intro.asp), it is (I feel) lacking enough rigour to ever be implemented consistently. The most common issue in the wild that I've seen is use of different tags for the same information (which the specification does not nail down enough to know when each should be used): Use of TI or T1 for primary title Use of AU or A1 for primary author Use of UR, L1 or L2 to link to 'full text' Perhaps more significantly the specification doesn't include any field specifically for a DOI, but despite this EndNote (owned by ISI ResearchSoft, who are also responsible for the RIS format specification) includes the DOI in a DO field in its RIS output - not to specification. Owen On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Jakob Voss jakob.v...@gbv.de wrote: Hi it's funny how quickly you vote against BibTeX, but at least it is a format that is frequently used in the wild to create citations. If you call BibTeX undocumented and garbage then how do you call MARC which is far more difficult to make use of? My assumption was that there is a specific use case for bibliographic data in twitter annotations: I. Identifiy publication = this can *only* be done seriously with identifiers like ISBN, DOI, OCLCNum, LCCN etc. II. Deliver a citation = use a citation-oriented format (BibTeX, CSL, RIS) I was not voting explicitly for BibTeX but at least there is a large community that can make use of it. I strongly favour CSL ( http://citationstyles.org/) because: - there is a JavaScript CSL-Processor. JavaScript is kind of a punishment but it is the natural environment for the Web 2.0 Mashup crowd that is going to implement applications that use Twitter annotations - there are dozens of CSL citation styles so you can display a citation in any way you want As Ross pointed out RIS would be an option too, but I miss the easy open source tools that use RIS to create citations from RIS data. Any other relevant format that I know (Bibont, MODS, MARC etc.) does not aim at identification or citation at the first place but tries to model the full variety of bibliographic metadata. If your use case is III. Provide semantic properties and connections of a publication Then you should look at the Bibliographic Ontology. But III does *not* just subsume usecase II. - it is a different story that is not beeing told by normal people but only but metadata experts, semantic web gurus, library system developers etc. (I would count me to this groups). If you want such complex data then you should use other systems but Twitter for data exchange anyway. A list of CSL metadata fields can be found at http://citationstyles.org/downloads/specification.html#appendices and the JavaScript-Processor (which is also used in Zotero) provides more information for developers: http://groups.google.com/group/citeproc-js Cheers Jakob P.S: An example of a CSL record from the JavaScript client: { title: True Crime Radio and Listener Disenchantment with Network Broadcasting, 1935-1946, author: [ { family: Razlogova, given: Elena } ], container-title: American Quarterly, volume: 58, page: 137-158, issued: { date-parts: [ [2006, 3] ] }, type: article-journal } -- Jakob Voß jakob.v...@gbv.de, skype: nichtich Verbundzentrale des GBV (VZG) / Common Library Network Platz der Goettinger Sieben 1, 37073 Göttingen, Germany +49 (0)551 39-10242, http://www.gbv.de -- Owen Stephens Owen Stephens Consulting Web: http://www.ostephens.com Email: o...@ostephens.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software
Ed Summers wrote: II. Description: To nicely show which publication someone refers to. I think this is right. I wonder, would you consider a potential use case for Description to also provide machine readable data for a resource when a standard identifier is not known? There are lookup services to get a standard identifier when only some bibliographic data is known - mainly OpenURL. I have not investigated whether you can easily map CSL format to OpenURL or if you need to also embed the OpenURL as twitter annotation. However all lookup services that I know are either crapy or proprietary or both. This is not a technical issue but just based on a lack of data (hopefully to get better with more linked open data). Given enough open bibliographic data anyone can create a lookup service where you throw in some title, author and this stuff and get back an identified record. I think there also are some services called library catalog for this purpose. Anyway this os nothing that can be solved with a bibliographic data format alone. Either you have a standard identifier or you have not. If you have not, you must rely on third party services that run independent of your bibliographic data. It would be interesting to explore what identifiers + csl (and other options) would look like in a twitter annotation if you had time to mock something up in a wiki somewhere :-) I summarized my findings on CSL at http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Citation_Style_Language and included some ideas of CSL and other data in twitter annotations. Feel free to modify! Cheers Jakob -- Jakob Voß jakob.v...@gbv.de, skype: nichtich Verbundzentrale des GBV (VZG) / Common Library Network Platz der Goettinger Sieben 1, 37073 Göttingen, Germany +49 (0)551 39-10242, http://www.gbv.de
Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software
I was also just working on DOI with RIS. It looks like both Endnote and Refworks recognize 'DO' for DOIs. But apparently Zotero does not. If Zotero supported it, I'd say we'd have a de facto standard on our hands. In fact, I couldn't figure out how to pass a DOI to Zotero using RIS. Or, at least, in my testing I never saw the DOI show-up in Zotero. I don't really use Zotero, so I may have missed it. --Dave == David Walker Library Web Services Manager California State University http://xerxes.calstate.edu From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Owen Stephens [o...@ostephens.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:26 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software We've had problems with RIS on a recent project. Although there is a specification (http://www.refman.com/support/risformat_intro.asp), it is (I feel) lacking enough rigour to ever be implemented consistently. The most common issue in the wild that I've seen is use of different tags for the same information (which the specification does not nail down enough to know when each should be used): Use of TI or T1 for primary title Use of AU or A1 for primary author Use of UR, L1 or L2 to link to 'full text' Perhaps more significantly the specification doesn't include any field specifically for a DOI, but despite this EndNote (owned by ISI ResearchSoft, who are also responsible for the RIS format specification) includes the DOI in a DO field in its RIS output - not to specification. Owen On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Jakob Voss jakob.v...@gbv.de wrote: Hi it's funny how quickly you vote against BibTeX, but at least it is a format that is frequently used in the wild to create citations. If you call BibTeX undocumented and garbage then how do you call MARC which is far more difficult to make use of? My assumption was that there is a specific use case for bibliographic data in twitter annotations: I. Identifiy publication = this can *only* be done seriously with identifiers like ISBN, DOI, OCLCNum, LCCN etc. II. Deliver a citation = use a citation-oriented format (BibTeX, CSL, RIS) I was not voting explicitly for BibTeX but at least there is a large community that can make use of it. I strongly favour CSL ( http://citationstyles.org/) because: - there is a JavaScript CSL-Processor. JavaScript is kind of a punishment but it is the natural environment for the Web 2.0 Mashup crowd that is going to implement applications that use Twitter annotations - there are dozens of CSL citation styles so you can display a citation in any way you want As Ross pointed out RIS would be an option too, but I miss the easy open source tools that use RIS to create citations from RIS data. Any other relevant format that I know (Bibont, MODS, MARC etc.) does not aim at identification or citation at the first place but tries to model the full variety of bibliographic metadata. If your use case is III. Provide semantic properties and connections of a publication Then you should look at the Bibliographic Ontology. But III does *not* just subsume usecase II. - it is a different story that is not beeing told by normal people but only but metadata experts, semantic web gurus, library system developers etc. (I would count me to this groups). If you want such complex data then you should use other systems but Twitter for data exchange anyway. A list of CSL metadata fields can be found at http://citationstyles.org/downloads/specification.html#appendices and the JavaScript-Processor (which is also used in Zotero) provides more information for developers: http://groups.google.com/group/citeproc-js Cheers Jakob P.S: An example of a CSL record from the JavaScript client: { title: True Crime Radio and Listener Disenchantment with Network Broadcasting, 1935-1946, author: [ { family: Razlogova, given: Elena } ], container-title: American Quarterly, volume: 58, page: 137-158, issued: { date-parts: [ [2006, 3] ] }, type: article-journal } -- Jakob Voß jakob.v...@gbv.de, skype: nichtich Verbundzentrale des GBV (VZG) / Common Library Network Platz der Goettinger Sieben 1, 37073 Göttingen, Germany +49 (0)551 39-10242, http://www.gbv.de -- Owen Stephens Owen Stephens Consulting Web: http://www.ostephens.com Email: o...@ostephens.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software
Unfortunately RefWorks only imports DO - not exports! We now recommend using RefWorks XML when exporting (for our project) - which is fine, but not publicly documented as far as I know :( Zotero recommend using BibTex for importing from RefWorks I think Owen On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Walker, David dwal...@calstate.edu wrote: I was also just working on DOI with RIS. It looks like both Endnote and Refworks recognize 'DO' for DOIs. But apparently Zotero does not. If Zotero supported it, I'd say we'd have a de facto standard on our hands. In fact, I couldn't figure out how to pass a DOI to Zotero using RIS. Or, at least, in my testing I never saw the DOI show-up in Zotero. I don't really use Zotero, so I may have missed it. --Dave == David Walker Library Web Services Manager California State University http://xerxes.calstate.edu From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Owen Stephens [o...@ostephens.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:26 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software We've had problems with RIS on a recent project. Although there is a specification (http://www.refman.com/support/risformat_intro.asp), it is (I feel) lacking enough rigour to ever be implemented consistently. The most common issue in the wild that I've seen is use of different tags for the same information (which the specification does not nail down enough to know when each should be used): Use of TI or T1 for primary title Use of AU or A1 for primary author Use of UR, L1 or L2 to link to 'full text' Perhaps more significantly the specification doesn't include any field specifically for a DOI, but despite this EndNote (owned by ISI ResearchSoft, who are also responsible for the RIS format specification) includes the DOI in a DO field in its RIS output - not to specification. Owen On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Jakob Voss jakob.v...@gbv.de wrote: Hi it's funny how quickly you vote against BibTeX, but at least it is a format that is frequently used in the wild to create citations. If you call BibTeX undocumented and garbage then how do you call MARC which is far more difficult to make use of? My assumption was that there is a specific use case for bibliographic data in twitter annotations: I. Identifiy publication = this can *only* be done seriously with identifiers like ISBN, DOI, OCLCNum, LCCN etc. II. Deliver a citation = use a citation-oriented format (BibTeX, CSL, RIS) I was not voting explicitly for BibTeX but at least there is a large community that can make use of it. I strongly favour CSL ( http://citationstyles.org/) because: - there is a JavaScript CSL-Processor. JavaScript is kind of a punishment but it is the natural environment for the Web 2.0 Mashup crowd that is going to implement applications that use Twitter annotations - there are dozens of CSL citation styles so you can display a citation in any way you want As Ross pointed out RIS would be an option too, but I miss the easy open source tools that use RIS to create citations from RIS data. Any other relevant format that I know (Bibont, MODS, MARC etc.) does not aim at identification or citation at the first place but tries to model the full variety of bibliographic metadata. If your use case is III. Provide semantic properties and connections of a publication Then you should look at the Bibliographic Ontology. But III does *not* just subsume usecase II. - it is a different story that is not beeing told by normal people but only but metadata experts, semantic web gurus, library system developers etc. (I would count me to this groups). If you want such complex data then you should use other systems but Twitter for data exchange anyway. A list of CSL metadata fields can be found at http://citationstyles.org/downloads/specification.html#appendices and the JavaScript-Processor (which is also used in Zotero) provides more information for developers: http://groups.google.com/group/citeproc-js Cheers Jakob P.S: An example of a CSL record from the JavaScript client: { title: True Crime Radio and Listener Disenchantment with Network Broadcasting, 1935-1946, author: [ { family: Razlogova, given: Elena } ], container-title: American Quarterly, volume: 58, page: 137-158, issued: { date-parts: [ [2006, 3] ] }, type: article-journal } -- Jakob Voß jakob.v...@gbv.de, skype: nichtich Verbundzentrale des GBV (VZG) / Common Library Network Platz der Goettinger Sieben 1, 37073 Göttingen, Germany +49 (0)551 39-10242, http://www.gbv.de -- Owen Stephens Owen Stephens Consulting Web: http://www.ostephens.com Email: o...@ostephens.com -- Owen Stephens Owen Stephens Consulting Web: http://www.ostephens.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software
- there is a JavaScript CSL-Processor. JavaScript is kind of a punishment but it is the natural environment for the Web 2.0 Mashup crowd that is going to implement applications that use Twitter annotations A quick word of caution here; we got excited about citeproc-js until learning that it actually requires a specific extension compiled into the Javascript interpreter, E4X: http://gsl-nagoya-u.net/http/pub/citeproc-doc.html#javascript-interpreters This is fine and cool, but is not as widely supported as Javascript itself; eg. Internet Explorer, Chrome, Safari, and a number of server-side Javascript engines do not have E4X support: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E4x That said, I'm very excited about CSL in general and this thread in particular — structured citation parsing is what I dream about at night. Great stuff. MJ
[CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity
I¹m looking for some background information on Microsoft¹s Zentity (their digital repository software). If anyone has first-hand experience working with it, or if you know of institutions that have implemented it, please contact me. Thanks, Andy Ashton Senior Research Programmer Center for Digital Scholarship, Brown University Library andrew_ash...@brown.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity
Andy, It is a highly extensible platform, based on .NET and windows. It is also open source! We did install it and have a play around with it. But not as much as we would have liked, primarily because of skillset and resource issues here. Microsoft have come late into the repository space, and have had a really good look at the kinds of mistakes others have made. Let us know how you get on. David. On 28 April 2010 14:54, Andrew Ashton andrew_ash...@brown.edu wrote: I¹m looking for some background information on Microsoft¹s Zentity (their digital repository software). If anyone has first-hand experience working with it, or if you know of institutions that have implemented it, please contact me. Thanks, Andy Ashton Senior Research Programmer Center for Digital Scholarship, Brown University Library andrew_ash...@brown.edu -- David Kane Systems Librarian Waterford Institute of Technology Ireland http://library.wit.ie/ davidfk...@googlewave.com T: ++353.51302838 M: ++353.876693212
Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software
Jakob Voss wrote: I. Identifiy publication = this can *only* be done seriously with identifiers like ISBN, DOI, OCLCNum, LCCN etc. Ah, but for better or for worse, that's not the world we live in. We have LOTS of publications that either lack such identifiers altogether, or where information about identifiers is not available. (Mostly the former). That we need to identify. This is an actual use case, you can't just dismiss it by saying it can't be done! The biggest example is pretty much every scholarly journal article. (A significant _minority_ have DOI or pmid; the majority have neither). And we DO identify these articles, by a description meant to serve as identification, often by using OpenURL.Maybe we're not doing it seriously, but it's a real use case, and it's being done in the wild in production. Jonathan
Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software
Jakob Voss wrote: There are lookup services to get a standard identifier when only some bibliographic data is known - mainly OpenURL. A standard identifier is not always _available_ -- even if you have access to a service to look up standard identifiers ( a not neccesarily realistic expectation for real world use cases) , not every publication HAS a standard identifier. Jonathan
Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity
Zentity is entirely consistent with their market strategy. It would be defeatist of them to take such an attitude. Why would they write software for a non-microsoft platform? They have made some good software, which should be useful and is in a good position to leverge the functionality of other Microsoft products. For example, integrating the office suite into the academic publishing lifecycle could be very useful for academics. David. The On 28 April 2010 15:17, Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that the major flaw of the software is that it isn't cross-platform, which comes as no surprise. But I feel Microsoft didn't do their market research. While the financial and business sectors are heavily reliant on Microsoft servers, American universities, and by extension, research libraries, are not. If they really wanted to make a commitment to support the academic community as they say on the Zentity website, they would have developed it for a platform that the academic community actually uses. Ethan On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:11 AM, David Kane dk...@wit.ie wrote: Andy, It is a highly extensible platform, based on .NET and windows. It is also open source! We did install it and have a play around with it. But not as much as we would have liked, primarily because of skillset and resource issues here. Microsoft have come late into the repository space, and have had a really good look at the kinds of mistakes others have made. Let us know how you get on. David. On 28 April 2010 14:54, Andrew Ashton andrew_ash...@brown.edu wrote: I¹m looking for some background information on Microsoft¹s Zentity (their digital repository software). If anyone has first-hand experience working with it, or if you know of institutions that have implemented it, please contact me. Thanks, Andy Ashton Senior Research Programmer Center for Digital Scholarship, Brown University Library andrew_ash...@brown.edu -- David Kane Systems Librarian Waterford Institute of Technology Ireland http://library.wit.ie/ davidfk...@googlewave.com T: ++353.51302838 M: ++353.876693212 -- David Kane Systems Librarian Waterford Institute of Technology Ireland http://library.wit.ie/ davidfk...@googlewave.com T: ++353.51302838 M: ++353.876693212
Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity
On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:25 AM, David Kane wrote: Why would they write software for a non-microsoft platform? I'll just point out that other OS vendors (Apple, Sun, Ubuntu, etc.) write software for other platforms. -Esme -- Esme Cowles escow...@ucsd.edu Men feared witches and burnt women. -- Louis Brandeis, Whitney v. California, concurring
Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity
So what? On 28 April 2010 15:37, Cowles, Esme escow...@ucsd.edu wrote: On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:25 AM, David Kane wrote: Why would they write software for a non-microsoft platform? I'll just point out that other OS vendors (Apple, Sun, Ubuntu, etc.) write software for other platforms. -Esme -- Esme Cowles escow...@ucsd.edu Men feared witches and burnt women. -- Louis Brandeis, Whitney v. California, concurring -- David Kane Systems Librarian Waterford Institute of Technology Ireland http://library.wit.ie/ davidfk...@googlewave.com T: ++353.51302838 M: ++353.876693212
[CODE4LIB] Job Posting: Repository manager (library)
http://www.upei.ca/humanres/44E10 Date of Posting: Apr 23 2010 ROBERTSON LIBRARY / OFFICE OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT ISLANDORA PROJECT / REPOSITORY MANAGER (LIBRARY) FULL-TIME TEMPORARY TERM POSITION Competition Number: 44E10 The Robertson Library is seeking applications for a qualified individual to work under the direction of the Islandora AIF Principal Investigator. DUTIES: The successful candidate will be responsible for coordinating the Islandora AIF Project including: providing technical and management requirements of the AIF project, supervision of AIF team, providing advice and strategic planning, coordinating activities around the development and maintenance of selected Library's existing VREs as well as new VREs, coordination with research teams; maintaining the Islandora project site and elements of the Islandora website including advice and strategic planning and its interaction with the existing Library team; liaison with the UPEI development team as well as the larger open source Islandora community on the development of the Islandora network, open source software and associated projects; providing training and/or presentations on the Islandora software as required. Management responsibilities will include: track all contractual agreements, reports, budgets to ensure compliance with funds from the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency (ACOA) and UPEI administrative officials. Works with project members and other staff in the Library on a variety of activities as needed to achieve the goals of the projects. QUALIFICATIONS: The successful applicant will possess: A post-secondary degree in computer/information technology, as well as an undergraduate degree; equivalent experience, would be considered; 5 year's experience working as a supervisor in an information management environment, either in a general or subject-specific domain; Experience with project management and team building, especially in an open source context; Knowledge of the development and maintenance of data repositories, especially those based on Fedora; Experience with data modeling and the development of models for digital and research data collections; Experience with the open source community, philosophy and LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP/Python/Perl) tools; Strong commitment to enhancing service through teamwork and responsiveness to clients; Knowledge of the Islandora software suite would be an asset. Applicants must have ability to: communicate effectively with UPEI staff, members of the Islandora open source community, as well as staff at other universities; maintain a project budget and bookkeeping; and create appropriate reports/materials as required for the project. Advanced communication, organizational, and collaborative skills are essential and experience working in an academic library setting would be an asset. Hours of Work: 37.5 hours per week (May be required to work flexible hours if/when required) Term: From date of hire to March 31, 2013 with possibility of extension (depending on satisfactory performance, available funding, and project requirements) Salary: Commensurate with education and experience Closing Date: May 5 2010 Application Instructions: Please submit a letter of application, quoting the competition number, a resume and references to be received no later than the closing date to employm...@upei.ca. PDF format is preferred. Please ensure that your first and last name and the competition number are included in the email subject line. You can also apply in person to the Human Resources Department, Kelley Building, University of Prince Edward Island, 550 University Avenue, Charlottetown, PEI C1A 4P3, Fax Number (902) 894-2895. In accordance with Canadian immigration requirements, all qualified candidates are encouraged to apply; however, Canadian citizens and permanent residents will be given priority. The University of Prince Edward Island is committed to gender equity in employment. Only those applicants who are invited to an interview will be acknowledged. --- Alexander O'Neill Programmer / Analyst Robertson Library University of Prince Edward Island
Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software
Has anyone actually gotten up a _server-side_ process that uses CSL to produce formatted citations? Using the citeproc-js with a certain custom compiled js interpreter, or anything else? This is what I'm interested in -- I'm not concerned with making it run in a browser, so custom compiled JS interpreter isn't a showstopper. But is still something that I'm not familiar with doing, so is going to take me a while to figure out how to set up. If anyone has already set anything up (using citeproc-js or anything else we may not know about), can you let us know, and maybe share your tips/instructions/code? Jonathan MJ Suhonos wrote: - there is a JavaScript CSL-Processor. JavaScript is kind of a punishment but it is the natural environment for the Web 2.0 Mashup crowd that is going to implement applications that use Twitter annotations A quick word of caution here; we got excited about citeproc-js until learning that it actually requires a specific extension compiled into the Javascript interpreter, E4X: http://gsl-nagoya-u.net/http/pub/citeproc-doc.html#javascript-interpreters This is fine and cool, but is not as widely supported as Javascript itself; eg. Internet Explorer, Chrome, Safari, and a number of server-side Javascript engines do not have E4X support: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E4x That said, I'm very excited about CSL in general and this thread in particular — structured citation parsing is what I dream about at night. Great stuff. MJ
Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity
David is right that Microsoft would never develop for multiple platforms because that would undermine their business model, which is of course, to duplicate efforts and reject international standards (or make Microsoft the standard for everything). Fortunately, Microsoft is losing its grip on that strategy. Back to the topic of Zentity, perhaps it would run in Mono, but then you are caught in a situation where you are reliant on Novell also. However, I think tools should be chosen largely to fit the skillsets of staff. If an institution has a staffing of .NET developers, it makes sense. I can't think of a single person with ASP, .NET experience here, so Zentity *should* never be considered an option at my institution. Ethan On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:48 AM, David Kane dk...@wit.ie wrote: So what? On 28 April 2010 15:37, Cowles, Esme escow...@ucsd.edu wrote: On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:25 AM, David Kane wrote: Why would they write software for a non-microsoft platform? I'll just point out that other OS vendors (Apple, Sun, Ubuntu, etc.) write software for other platforms. -Esme -- Esme Cowles escow...@ucsd.edu Men feared witches and burnt women. -- Louis Brandeis, Whitney v. California, concurring -- David Kane Systems Librarian Waterford Institute of Technology Ireland http://library.wit.ie/ davidfk...@googlewave.com T: ++353.51302838 M: ++353.876693212
Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software
Jonathan Rochkind wrote: Jakob Voss wrote: I. Identifiy publication = this can *only* be done seriously with identifiers like ISBN, DOI, OCLCNum, LCCN etc. Ah, but for better or for worse, that's not the world we live in. We have LOTS of publications that either lack such identifiers altogether, or where information about identifiers is not available. (Mostly the former). That we need to identify. This is an actual use case, you can't just dismiss it by saying it can't be done! Call me pedantic but if you do not have an identifier than there is no hope to identity the publication by means of metadata. You only *describe* it with metadata and use additional heuristics (mostly search engines) to hopefully identify the publication based on the description. But these additional heuristics are not part of the metadta while a well-defined identifier implies a standard of how the identifier had been created and how it can be looked up. The last hope if there is no identifier is to create one. For instance our library system creates internal record numbers (such as OCLC numbers) which can be reused. You can also define an algorithm that creates a hash as identifier like the bibkey I mentioned. But as long as there is no identifier there is no identification independent from a bibliographic database that already contains the record to search in. Jakob -- Jakob Voß jakob.v...@gbv.de, skype: nichtich Verbundzentrale des GBV (VZG) / Common Library Network Platz der Goettinger Sieben 1, 37073 Göttingen, Germany +49 (0)551 39-10242, http://www.gbv.de
Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Houghton,Andrew hough...@oclc.org wrote: If its open source, I assume that it could be adapted to run under Mono and then you could run it on Linux, Macs, etc. It may even run under Mono, don't know, haven't played with it. Well, it requires SQLServer, so I think this is probably going to be much more difficult than it's worth. -Ross.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software
Jakob Voss wrote: Call me pedantic but if you do not have an identifier than there is no hope to identity the publication by means of metadata. You only *describe* it with metadata and use additional heuristics (mostly search engines) to hopefully identify the publication based on the description. But the entire OpenURL infrastructure DOES this, and does it without using search engines. It's a real world use case that has a solution in production! So, yeah, I call you pedantic for wanting to pretend the use case and the real world solution doesn't exist. :) You can call it description rather than identification if you like, that is a question of terminology. But it's description that is meant to uniquely identify a particular publication, and that a whole bunch of software in use every day succesfully uses to identify a particular publication. It IS a hacky and error-prone solution, to be sure. But it's the best solution we've got, because it's simply a fact that we have many publications we want to identify that lack standard identifiers. If a twitter annotation setup wants to be able to identify publications that don't have standard identifiers, then you don't want to ignore this use case and how actually in production software currently deals with it. You can perhaps find a better way to deal with it -- I'm certainly not arguing for OpenURL as the be all end all, I rather hate OpenURL actually. But dismissing it as impossible is indeed pedantic, since it's being done! Jonathan
Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity
Well... it kind of requires SQL Server. The project page says that it uses the Entity Framework and Link, and that means you can use MySQL or Oracle since there is an ADO.NET adapter for them. Microsoft has a plugable data layer that anyone can write an adapter for. Andy. -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Ross Singer Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:23 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Houghton,Andrew hough...@oclc.org wrote: If its open source, I assume that it could be adapted to run under Mono and then you could run it on Linux, Macs, etc. It may even run under Mono, don't know, haven't played with it. Well, it requires SQLServer, so I think this is probably going to be much more difficult than it's worth. -Ross.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that the major flaw of the software is that it isn't cross-platform, which comes as no surprise. But I feel Microsoft didn't do their market research. While the financial and business sectors are heavily reliant on Microsoft servers, American universities, and by extension, research libraries, are not. If they really wanted to make a commitment to support the academic community as they say on the Zentity website, they would have developed it for a platform that the academic community actually uses. This seems like sort of a snotty answer, honestly, and I find three flaws with it: 1) Research and intellectual output is not exclusive to large, research university which means repositories should not be exclusive to ARL libraries 2) There are lots of academic Microsoft shops, esp. at the campus IT (or departmental IT) level. It's not beyond reason to think that a smaller university would prefer the repository be hosted by central IT (or that the chemistry department or engineering school in a larger university host their own repository). 3) E-Prints, for example, seems to be making an effort to commodotize and democratize the repository space a bit by making it as simple as possible to run an IR. MS is making this even simpler for places that already have Windows servers (which is a lot). There are plenty of reasons to criticize Microsoft, but I just don't see how Zentity is one of them. -Ross.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity
Ross Singer wrote: On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that the major flaw of the software is that it isn't cross-platform, which comes as no surprise. But I feel Microsoft didn't do their market research. While the financial and business sectors are heavily reliant on Microsoft servers, American universities, and by extension, research libraries, are not. Is this really true? My current University (including the Library) use a number of Windows Servers. Would I prefer a different platform for our Windows servers? Yes. However some are running applications that don't run on other platforms and the others were implemented before I got here and they are working so there is no reason to change them at this time. While I know many libraries/universities use Novel, Solaris, Linux, etc. I have serious doubts that a majority of American Universities don't use Microsoft servers to some degree. As an example, I often see people on the Voyager ILS listserv wanting to run there ILS on Windows because that is what is supported by campus IT. If they really wanted to make a commitment to support the academic community as they say on the Zentity website, they would have developed it for a platform that the academic community actually uses. This seems like sort of a snotty answer, honestly, and I find three flaws with it: 1) Research and intellectual output is not exclusive to large, research university which means repositories should not be exclusive to ARL libraries 2) There are lots of academic Microsoft shops, esp. at the campus IT (or departmental IT) level. It's not beyond reason to think that a smaller university would prefer the repository be hosted by central IT (or that the chemistry department or engineering school in a larger university host their own repository). 3) E-Prints, for example, seems to be making an effort to commodotize and democratize the repository space a bit by making it as simple as possible to run an IR. MS is making this even simpler for places that already have Windows servers (which is a lot). Should we criticize Koha because (I believe) it doesn't have an up-to-date Windows version? How about Evergreen? No one is forcing you to use Zentity if you don't want to use Windows. If it doesn't fit in your environment, don't use it, but that isn't a reason to criticize it. I bet that more places can handle a Windows server rather then those that can handle a Linux server. If only because a competent Linux Admin can almost always manage a Windows server (maybe not MS applications like Exchange, etc.) with little or no training, but this does not necessarily work the other way around. Sure, the Linux Admin might moan and groan about this (I know from experience), but they can do it. There are plenty of reasons to criticize Microsoft, but I just don't see how Zentity is one of them. Agreed. Edward -Ross.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity
Microsoft certainly has developed for other platforms in the past, but they've greatly reduced that activity. Keep in mind that one of the key aspects of Zentity is its integration with Microsoft desktop products. If the goal is to get faculty to deposit their own content -- simplifying their workflows by allowing them to deposit files from the applications they use to produce some of their content -- then Microsoft has done its market research. Watching their live demo in May 2009 at Open Repositories was eye-opening in that regard. Their add-ons for Office support linking of Creative Commons licenses, ontology management, deposit to Zentity (and any other repo that supports SWORD) should be of interest to many. Sometimes I think we all forget that the first goal is to get faculty content INTO IRs. We're going to be managing empty IRs if there aren't easy deposit tools. As to American universities not running Microsoft servers, I have personally worked at major research universities (and research libraries) that do run them alongside their unix environment, usually because there is some aspect of the business operations that requires it. And many smaller colleges and cultural heritage organizations absolutely do run Microsoft. And every time I'm on a search panel for a programmer I see lots of applicants with .NET and ASP skills. Leslie -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Ethan Gruber Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:03 AM To: Johnston, Leslie; Code for Libraries Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity David is right that Microsoft would never develop for multiple platforms because that would undermine their business model, which is of course, to duplicate efforts and reject international standards (or make Microsoft the standard for everything). Fortunately, Microsoft is losing its grip on that strategy. Back to the topic of Zentity, perhaps it would run in Mono, but then you are caught in a situation where you are reliant on Novell also. However, I think tools should be chosen largely to fit the skillsets of staff. If an institution has a staffing of .NET developers, it makes sense. I can't think of a single person with ASP, .NET experience here, so Zentity *should* never be considered an option at my institution. Ethan On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:48 AM, David Kane dk...@wit.ie wrote: So what? On 28 April 2010 15:37, Cowles, Esme escow...@ucsd.edu wrote: On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:25 AM, David Kane wrote: Why would they write software for a non-microsoft platform? I'll just point out that other OS vendors (Apple, Sun, Ubuntu, etc.) write software for other platforms. -Esme -- Esme Cowles escow...@ucsd.edu Men feared witches and burnt women. -- Louis Brandeis, Whitney v. California, concurring -- David Kane Systems Librarian Waterford Institute of Technology Ireland http://library.wit.ie/ davidfk...@googlewave.com T: ++353.51302838 M: ++353.876693212
[CODE4LIB] Job Posting: Library Applications Developer at Brown University
The Brown University Library invites applications for a talented software developer to design new and innovative web-based library services, systems, and tools which anticipate the needs of library users. In addition to developing new applications, the incumbent makes creative use of APIs and continually enhances and extends commercial software applications to make new and improved services available to users and works with library departments to develop tools which increase internal workflow efficiencies. Required Qualifications: Bachelor's degree in Computer Science, Information Science, or a related field, or the equivalent combination of education and experience. Experience of 3-5 years in the design and manipulation of relational databases; demonstrated proficiency in developing and maintaining database-driven web applications. Experience developing and coding interactive web applications using PHP, Python, Ruby, Perl, HTML, XML, CSS, SQL, JavaScript, JQuery, AJAX, and/or other common tools. Demonstrated experience with Unix or Linux server platforms, related software, and basic system administration utilities. In-depth knowledge of website design, development, implementation, standards, and accessibility/usability guidelines. Experience with service-oriented architecture and with designing and implementing web services. Excellent communication, interpersonal, and organizational skills. Creativity and strong analytical and problem-solving skills. Ability to learn new technical skills quickly; ability to meet deadlines; strong service-orientation. Ability to adapt emerging technologies to new domains. Preferred Qualifications: MLS from an ALA accredited university. Hands-on experience implementing library enterprise systems. To apply for this position (JOB#B01156), please visit Brown’s Online Employment website (https://careers.brown.edu), complete an application online, attach documents, and submit for immediate consideration. Documents should include cover letter, resume, and names and e-mail addresses of three references. Review of applications will begin on April 28, 2010, and will continue until the position is filled. Brown University is an Equal Opportunity/ Affirmative Action Employer. Jean Rainwater Head, Integrated Technology Services Brown University Library Box A / 10 Prospect Street Providence, Rhode Island 02912 jean_rainwa...@brown.edu
[CODE4LIB] MODS and DCTERMS
Hi all, I'm digging into earlier threads on Code4Lib and NGC4lib and trying to get some concrete examples around the DCTERMS element set — maybe I haven't been a subscriber for long enough. What I'm looking for in particular are things I can work with *in code/implementation*, most notably: - does there exist a MODS-to-DCTERMS (or vice-versa) crosswalk anywhere? I see one for collections: http://www.loc.gov/standards/mods/v3/mods-collection-description.html and http://www.loc.gov/marc/marc2dc.html for MARC but my ideal use case is, eg. an XSLT to turn a MODS document into an XML-encoded DCTERMS document. Surely someone has done this? (I'm sure I've oversimplified or misunderstood something, but hopefully the general approach is understandable) - for that matter, is there a good example of how to properly serialize DCTERMS for eg. a converted MARC/MODS record in XML (or RDF/XML)? I see, eg. http://dublincore.org/documents/dcq-rdf-xml/ which has been replaced by http://dublincore.org/documents/dc-rdf/ but I'm not sure if the latter obviates the former entirely? Also, the examples at the bottom of the latter don't show, eg. repeated elements or DCMES elements. Do we abandon http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/ entirely? For example, is this valid? rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf=http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#; xmlns:dcterms=http://purl.org/dc/terms/; xmlns:dc=http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/ rdf:Description rdf:about=http://example.org/123; dc:title xml:lang=enLearning Biology/dcterms:title dcterms:title xml:lang=enLearning Biology/dcterms:title dcterms:alternative xml:lang=enA primer on biological processes/dcterms:title dcterms:creator xml:lang=enBar, Foo/dcterms:creator dcterms:creator xml:lang=enSmith, Jane/dcterms:creator dc:creator xml:lang=enBar, Foo/dc:creator dc:creator xml:lang=enSmith, Jane/dc:creator /rdf:Description /rdf:RDF Apologies for any questions that seem silly or naive — I think i have a pretty firm grasp on the levels of abstraction involved, but for the life of me, I can't find much solid stuff about DCTERMS outside of the DCMI website, which can be a bit of a challenge to navigate at times. Thanks, MJ
Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity
At Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:11:39 +0100, David Kane wrote: Andy, It is a highly extensible platform, based on .NET and windows. It is also open source! […] Here is the license: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/downloads/48e60ac1-a95a-4163-a23d-28a914007743/Research-Output%20Repository%20Platform%20EULA%20%282008-06-06%29.txt This is not an open source license. best, Erik Hetzner ;; Erik Hetzner, California Digital Library ;; gnupg key id: 1024D/01DB07E3 pgpVPPJvvYS4q.pgp Description: PGP signature
[CODE4LIB] code4lib server downtime needed
I need to move the server that hosts the code4lib.org website into another rack to make room for some other equipment, when is a good time to do this? -- Ryan Ordway E-mail: rord...@oregonstate.edu Unix Systems Administrator rord...@library.oregonstate.edu OSU Libraries, Corvallis, OR 97331Office: Valley Library #4657
[CODE4LIB] Job Posting: Electronic Resources Librarian - Western State College of Colorado
Please excuse the cross-postings: Electronic Resources Librarian, Leslie J. Savage Library, Western State College of Colorado Western State College of Colorado seeks a dynamic, service-oriented librarian to provide leadership in organizing and providing access to the library's electronic resources collection (databases and journals). This position is also responsible for managing the library's web site using the Plone content management system. In collaboration with the technical services librarian and staff from the integrated library system's consortium (Marmot Library Network), the electronic resources librarian will participate in developing a next-generation online public access catalog. This position also manages the college's federal and state depository program. Additional duties include staffing the reference desk in rotation with other library staff; hiring, training, and supervising student staff as needed; providing virtual reference services; and participating with other library staff in collection development, committee work, and setting goals and objectives for the library. Night and weekend work is required in rotation with other librarians. The electronic resources librarian reports to the director of library services. For a complete job description, qualifications, and application procedures, please see the job announcement available at http://www.western.edu/administration/hr/Applicants/job-listings.html. Screening of applications will begin May 24, 2010 and continue until the position is filled. Western is a residential, four-year public undergraduate college with an enrollment of 2,300 students who come from across Colorado and all fifty states. The college is located in Gunnison, Colorado, a rural community 200 miles southwest of Denver. At an elevation of 7,700 feet in the southern Rocky Mountains, the Gunnison Valley provides significant year-round outdoor recreational opportunities. Employees have chosen Western because of the quality of life combined with rewarding careers. Visit http://www.western.edu/ to learn more about Western. Western State College of Colorado is an affirmative action/equal opportunity educator and employer. Nancy Gauss Director of Library Services Leslie J. Savage Library Western State College of Colorado Gunnison, CO 81231 (970) 943-2278 (voice) (970) 943-2042 (fax) nga...@western.edumailto:nga...@western.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib server downtime needed
Late February or so would be ideal. -Mike On Apr 28, 2010 3:15 PM, Ryan Ordway rord...@oregonstate.edu wrote: I need to move the server that hosts the code4lib.org website into another rack to make room for some other equipment, when is a good time to do this? -- Ryan Ordway E-mail: rord...@oregonstate.edu Unix Systems Administrator rord...@library.oregonstate.edu OSU Libraries, Corvallis, OR 97331Office: Valley Library #4657
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib server downtime needed
Eh, just do it when you've got to do it, says me. Just let us know in advance when you're scheduling to do it, and how long you think the outage will be, and maybe remind us what services are effected if you know either! Please don't wake up at 4am for your unpaid gig for us, we've got to do that too often on our paid gigs already. :) Jonathan Michael J. Giarlo wrote: Late February or so would be ideal. -Mike On Apr 28, 2010 3:15 PM, Ryan Ordway rord...@oregonstate.edu wrote: I need to move the server that hosts the code4lib.org website into another rack to make room for some other equipment, when is a good time to do this? -- Ryan Ordway E-mail: rord...@oregonstate.edu Unix Systems Administrator rord...@library.oregonstate.edu OSU Libraries, Corvallis, OR 97331Office: Valley Library #4657
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib server downtime needed
I vote for Christmas morning. Seriously, whenever is good for you is fine, just let the list know a little in advanced. Edward Michael J. Giarlo wrote: Late February or so would be ideal. -Mike On Apr 28, 2010 3:15 PM, Ryan Ordway rord...@oregonstate.edu wrote: I need to move the server that hosts the code4lib.org website into another rack to make room for some other equipment, when is a good time to do this? -- Ryan Ordway E-mail: rord...@oregonstate.edu Unix Systems Administrator rord...@library.oregonstate.edu OSU Libraries, Corvallis, OR 97331Office: Valley Library #4657
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib server downtime needed
Alternatively, just do it anytime and suggest a temporary network issue that you don't have time to investigate probably was to blame if anyone whines On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Edward M. Corrado ecorr...@ecorrado.uswrote: I vote for Christmas morning.
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib server downtime needed
I second Kyle's suggestion. On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Kyle Banerjee kyle.baner...@gmail.comwrote: Alternatively, just do it anytime and suggest a temporary network issue that you don't have time to investigate probably was to blame if anyone whines On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Edward M. Corrado ecorr...@ecorrado.us wrote: I vote for Christmas morning.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software
I mean, really, if the folks at RefWorks, EndNote, Papers, Zotero and LibX don't have crash programs underway to integrate Twitter clients into their software to send and receive reference metadata payloads they can use in the Twitter annotation field, they really ought to hire me to come and bash some sense into them. Really. I still think by-reference payloads would got the farthest, as described at http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/2010/04/when-shall-we-link.html would go the farthest, but surely these folks know very well what they can send and receive. Eric On Apr 28, 2010, at 4:17 AM, Jakob Voss wrote: Hi it's funny how quickly you vote against BibTeX, but at least it is a format that is frequently used in the wild to create citations. If you call BibTeX undocumented and garbage then how do you call MARC which is far more difficult to make use of? My assumption was that there is a specific use case for bibliographic data in twitter annotations: I. Identifiy publication = this can *only* be done seriously with identifiers like ISBN, DOI, OCLCNum, LCCN etc. II. Deliver a citation = use a citation-oriented format (BibTeX, CSL, RIS) I was not voting explicitly for BibTeX but at least there is a large community that can make use of it. I strongly favour CSL (http://citationstyles.org/) because: - there is a JavaScript CSL-Processor. JavaScript is kind of a punishment but it is the natural environment for the Web 2.0 Mashup crowd that is going to implement applications that use Twitter annotations - there are dozens of CSL citation styles so you can display a citation in any way you want As Ross pointed out RIS would be an option too, but I miss the easy open source tools that use RIS to create citations from RIS data. Any other relevant format that I know (Bibont, MODS, MARC etc.) does not aim at identification or citation at the first place but tries to model the full variety of bibliographic metadata. If your use case is III. Provide semantic properties and connections of a publication Then you should look at the Bibliographic Ontology. But III does *not* just subsume usecase II. - it is a different story that is not beeing told by normal people but only but metadata experts, semantic web gurus, library system developers etc. (I would count me to this groups). If you want such complex data then you should use other systems but Twitter for data exchange anyway. A list of CSL metadata fields can be found at http://citationstyles.org/downloads/specification.html#appendices and the JavaScript-Processor (which is also used in Zotero) provides more information for developers: http://groups.google.com/group/citeproc-js Cheers Jakob P.S: An example of a CSL record from the JavaScript client: { title: True Crime Radio and Listener Disenchantment with Network Broadcasting, 1935-1946, author: [ { family: Razlogova, given: Elena } ], container-title: American Quarterly, volume: 58, page: 137-158, issued: { date-parts: [ [2006, 3] ] }, type: article-journal } -- Jakob Voß jakob.v...@gbv.de, skype: nichtich Verbundzentrale des GBV (VZG) / Common Library Network Platz der Goettinger Sieben 1, 37073 Göttingen, Germany +49 (0)551 39-10242, http://www.gbv.de Eric Hellman President, Gluejar, Inc. 41 Watchung Plaza, #132 Montclair, NJ 07042 USA e...@hellman.net http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib server downtime needed
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, Ryan Ordway wrote: I need to move the server that hosts the code4lib.org website into another rack to make room for some other equipment, when is a good time to do this? You power down machines when moving them? Oh, sure, do it the easy way. (After waiting 2 months for the university I was working for to approve a maintenance window, as we had a machine lift and the machine had two power taps, I ran an extension cord and a long ethernet cable, swapped them in, pulled the machine as far out of the rack as it'd extend on its rails, brought the lift up from under it, ejected it from the rails, rolled it out the way, moved the rails to the new rack, rolled the lift over to the new place, cranked the lift to the new height, re-ingaged the rails, and then swapped back to the new rack's power and patch panel. Only ~ 2 min of downtime, and that was because the switch took 60 sec to test to make sure there wasn't a loop when you changed connections.) -Joe
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib server downtime needed
With redundant power supplies and trunked network interfaces I could do it with zero downtime. But I'm lazy. :) -- Ryan Ordway E-mail: rord...@oregonstate.edu Unix Systems Administrator rord...@library.oregonstate.edu OSU Libraries, Corvallis, OR 97331Office: Valley Library #4657 On Apr 28, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Joe Hourcle wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, Ryan Ordway wrote: I need to move the server that hosts the code4lib.org website into another rack to make room for some other equipment, when is a good time to do this? You power down machines when moving them? Oh, sure, do it the easy way. (After waiting 2 months for the university I was working for to approve a maintenance window, as we had a machine lift and the machine had two power taps, I ran an extension cord and a long ethernet cable, swapped them in, pulled the machine as far out of the rack as it'd extend on its rails, brought the lift up from under it, ejected it from the rails, rolled it out the way, moved the rails to the new rack, rolled the lift over to the new place, cranked the lift to the new height, re-ingaged the rails, and then swapped back to the new rack's power and patch panel. Only ~ 2 min of downtime, and that was because the switch took 60 sec to test to make sure there wasn't a loop when you changed connections.) -Joe