Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea

2012-12-07 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
There being no rules about who can form a group does not mean there are no opinions about it, or that nobody should share an opinion. Just the opposite, the community defines itself by sharing opinions and discussing them, not by rules. There is no contradiction between thinking something is a

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4lib Chicago 2013 poster

2012-12-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I like the picture a lot, but I'd take the male/female symbols out of it, I think they're cheesy and the point is better made more subtly and implicitly just by the image itself, rather than beating people over the head with it with the gender symbols. But I also have no idea why open up the

Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results

2012-12-05 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Hmm, it's quite possible you know more about statistics than me, but... Usually equations for calculating confidence level are based on the assumption of a random sample, not a volunteering self-selected sample. If you have a self-selected sample, then the equations for how likely is this to

Re: [CODE4LIB] Help with WordPress for Code4Lib Journal

2012-12-05 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
We've looked at OJS in the past and not been happy with it, we're pretty happy with WordPress, and not really looking to migrate all our operations to different software. But thanks for the suggestion. (I do think there are probably ways we could keep using WP without a custom codebase,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Help with WordPress for Code4Lib Journal

2012-12-04 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
While I agree with ross in general about suggesting technical solutions without suggesting how they are going to be maintained -- agree very strongly -- and would further re-emphasize that it's improtant to remember that ALL software installations are living organisms (Ranganthan represent!),

Re: [CODE4LIB] Choosing fora. was: Proliferation of Code4Lib Channels

2012-12-04 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 12/4/2012 12:10 PM, MJ Ray wrote: Really? I hoped if I wanted to do serious hacking, I could clone it on git.software.coop and send a pull request. If you use github *and insist everyone else does* then you lose all the decentralised networked collaboration benefits of git and it becomes a

Re: [CODE4LIB] Choosing fora. was: Proliferation of Code4Lib Channels

2012-12-04 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Okay, I guess that is a feature. It generates a plain text file you can send to someone else via email; the person can respond by taking manual action on their git command line. Definitely not the github pull requests people are used to. On 12/4/2012 1:16 PM, MJ Ray wrote: Jonathan Rochkind

Re: [CODE4LIB] Help with WordPress for Code4Lib Journal

2012-12-04 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I'd check out the links under Bootcamp here: https://help.github.com/ On 12/4/2012 5:18 PM, Mark Pernotto wrote: As I'm clearly not well-versed in the goings-on of GitHub, I've 'forked' a response, but am not sure it worked correctly. I've zipped up and sent updates to Tom. If anyone could

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library event systems and using your API talents for good

2012-12-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On this thread in general, people may be interested in a previous Code4Lib Journal article on using Google Calendars via it's API to embed library open hours information on a website. (Sorry if this has already been mentioned in this thread!) http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/46 It occurs

Re: [CODE4LIB] Choosing fora. was: Proliferation of Code4Lib Channels

2012-12-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Reddit tends to be a pretty segmented place, there are many subreddits that exist, IMO, as more or less 'culturally autonomous' from the rest of the reddit, with little interaction with other parts of reddit. Just people taking advantage of reddit to do their own thing. Reddit's UI makes it

Re: [CODE4LIB] Choosing fora. was: Proliferation of Code4Lib Channels

2012-12-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 12/2/2012 9:19 PM, Esmé Cowles wrote: I think this raises some interesting questions about community and appropriate use of the code4lib name. I just took a look at the code4lib reddit and there were comments from a handful of people. If a handful of people want to create some new channel

Re: [CODE4LIB] Choosing fora. was: Proliferation of Code4Lib Channels

2012-12-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
require too much maintenance. Looking at the Hacker News source code... anyone know Arc? :) -Shaun On 12/3/12 11:23 AM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: Reddit tends to be a pretty segmented place, there are many subreddits that exist, IMO, as more or less 'culturally autonomous' from the rest

Re: [CODE4LIB] Proliferation of Code4Lib Channels

2012-11-30 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
A final note is that Reddit's source code is up on github. I'm not a python expert, but it could probably be set up in isolation from reddit if that's seen as a problem. It could use whatever authentication the C4L wiki uses. I has a restful API as well, so we could integrate it into the

Re: [CODE4LIB] What is a coder?

2012-11-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
The mission statement on the code4lib website says The Code4Lib Journal exists to foster community and share information among those interested I want to clarify that the Code4Lib Journal is a specific project with a specific list of people on it's editorial board. In this way, it's unlike

Re: [CODE4LIB] What is a coder?

2012-11-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Dude, I'm positive I'm a coder because I spend a whole lot of time coding, and I think I do it pretty decently -- and search in Google is a key part of my workflow! So is debugging. Hopefully copy-and-paste-coding-without-knowing-what-i'm-doing is not, however, true. But no need to be

Re: [CODE4LIB] What is a coder?

2012-11-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
; subscribe to our blogs; or get right to the heart of it in the chat room on IRC. From: Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:02 AM To: Code for Libraries Subject: RE: [CODE4LIB] What is a coder? The mission statement on the code4lib website

Re: [CODE4LIB] What is a coder?

2012-11-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I think that _everyone_ who finds our topics and discussions interesting and useful is welcome at the conference, on the listserv, in IRC, etc. However, at the same time, I will confess that I personally find the proliferation of archival/repository topics at the conference dissapointing. I

Re: [CODE4LIB] tech vs. nursing

2012-11-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 11/29/2012 4:19 PM, Chris Fitzpatrick wrote: departments in kinda interesting ways. There now seems to be things like Metadata or Systems groups that are distinct from Digital Repository or Applications groups. Catalogers and the people who work on the ILS are often completely segregated

Re: [CODE4LIB] What about Code4Lib4Women?

2012-11-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Sounds possibly interesting. Other than a word, what would that be exactly, and what would be the goals of it? Do you mean a different conference, or listserv, or what? On 11/28/2012 3:34 PM, Salazar, Christina wrote: And/or Code4Lib4[I hate that word minority, but cannot think of another

Re: [CODE4LIB] What is a coder?

2012-11-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
A coder is someone who writes code, naturally. :) code is something intended to be interpreted or executed by a computer or a computer program. I think everyone agrees that anyone is welcome at code4lib. However, many want to keep code4lib conference presentations and community focused on

[CODE4LIB]

2012-11-27 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 11/27/2012 4:46 PM, Shaun Ellis wrote: I agree with Tom. If you look at the links Andromeda sent earlier in this thread, both conference organizers reported dramatic increases in the number of under-represented presenters simply by 1) making the proposal authors anonymous during voting

[CODE4LIB] Your proposal wasn't accepted? Consider submitting to the Code4Lib Journal?

2012-11-26 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Are you sad your proposal wasn't accepted to Code4Lib Conference? Please consider submitting it as an article to Code4Lib Journal instead! In fact, you can submit something as an article even if you are presenting at the conf too -- but especially if you aren't, getting an article published

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS

2012-11-21 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
, it's kind of messy to use a title attribute for non-human-readable purposes. And is a large part of the motivation for HTML5 microdata. - Godmar On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: It _IS_ an old unused metadata format that should be replaced

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS

2012-11-20 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
It _IS_ an old unused metadata format that should be replaced by something else (among other reasons because it's actually illegal in HTML5), but I'm not sure there is a something else with the right balance of flexibility, simplicity, and actual adoption by consuming software. But COinS

[CODE4LIB] ruby gem for testing IP addresses for inclusion in sets of non-contiguous address ranges

2012-11-08 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Something we university library folks often need to do, even though it's kind of a ridiculous design. I wrote a ruby convenience gem for it that some may find useful, basically just a convenience method around the ruby IPAddr stdlib, which does the heavy lifting.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Mid-Atlantic Google Group

2012-11-08 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
All it takes is doing it. You can create a wiki page on the code4lib wiki if you want, next to the other regional ones. The wiki is editable by anyone. Then you just have to find other people who live around you, and get them to do code4lib-like activities with you using the code4lib name.

Re: [CODE4LIB] A [Wordpress-based] Alerts Dashboard - Library Closings, etc.

2012-11-07 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
That's a really cool idea Jason! I highly encourage you to write it up for the Code4Lib Journal, sounds like a great (possibly short) article for the journal. Do you do anything with dates, so 'old' alerts/notices aren't shown anymore? Sounds like no, you just display the last 3, in case

Re: [CODE4LIB] one tool and/or resource that you recommend to newbie coders in a library?

2012-11-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
http://journal.code4lib.org On 11/1/2012 4:24 PM, Bohyun Kim wrote: Hi all code4lib-bers, As coders and coding librarians, what is ONE tool and/or resource that you recommend to newbie coders in a library (and why)? I promise I will create and circulate the list and make it into a Code4Lib

[CODE4LIB] Q: Discovery products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Looking at the major 'discovery' products, Summon, Primo, EDS ...all three will provide some results to un-authenticated users (the general public), but have some portions of the corpus that are restricted and won't show up in your results unless you have an authenticated user affiliated

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: Discovery products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 12:16 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Q: Discovery products and authentication (esp Summon) Looking at the major 'discovery' products, Summon, Primo, EDS ...all three will provide some results to un-authenticated users

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: Discovery products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 10/24/2012 2:04 PM, Ben Florin wrote: We use Primo, but we've never bothered with their restricted search scopes. Apparently the answer to my question is that nobody has thought about this before, heh. Primo, by default, will suppress some content from end-users unless they are

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: Discovery products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Good to have some numbers, thanks! Even taking your largest number, 25% + 12% == 37% coming from on-campus is definitely less than half, and not 'most' use being from on-campus -- which does not surprise me at all, it's what I would expect. This is an interesting discussion, I think. Thanks

Re: [CODE4LIB] VPN EZ Proxy

2012-10-18 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
VPN does what EZProxy does already -- make web access appear to come from an on-campus address -- but for ALL web access, not just access that follows links from your web pages using EZProxy. This assumes outgoing traffic from users using the VPN will be on an IP address recognized as

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q.: software for vendor title list processing

2012-10-17 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
a public export page which you might want to know about http://www.kbplus.ac.uk/kbplus/publicExport Tom On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: I think KBART is such an effort. As with most library standards groups, there may not be online documentation

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q.: software for vendor title list processing

2012-10-16 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I think KBART is such an effort. As with most library standards groups, there may not be online documentation of their most recent efforts or successes, but: http://www.uksg.org/kbart http://www.uksg.org/kbart/s5/guidelines/data_format On 10/16/2012 2:16 PM, Godmar Back wrote: Hi, at our

Re: [CODE4LIB] formatting citation output programmatically

2012-10-11 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
There are a billion different citation formats with their own rules. I don't think there is any simple answer to the question you ask. On 10/11/2012 2:45 PM, William Gunn wrote: Hi list! I have a technical question about formatting citation output which some of you may have dealt with in the

Re: [CODE4LIB] Seeking examples of outstanding discovery layers

2012-09-20 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 9/20/2012 1:39 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: So, given this, and given that in a decent-sized catalog users regularly retrieve hundreds or thousands of items, what is the best way to help them grok that set given that the number of records is too large for the user to look at them one-by-one to

Re: [CODE4LIB] Displaying TGN terms

2012-09-17 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
From the examples you've given how about: 1. Start with the first (most detailed) element in the hieararchy. 2. Moving up the hieararchy, add on the first inhabited place found, if any. 3. Continuing to move up the hieararchy, add on the first nation found, if any. On 9/17/2012 3:12 PM,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Random Casual Poll: What abt. Web Services Should You Know?

2012-09-10 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Okay, here's my own reverse survey for you. :) What is web services, what job description or role or responsibilities does a librarian planning to work in web services mean to you? Because I'm not sure myself, nor am I sure everyone else who uses that term agrees. My answer to your survey

Re: [CODE4LIB] U of Baltimore, Final Usability Report, link resolvers -- MIA?

2012-09-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: Hi helpful code4lib community, at one point there was a report online at: http://student-iat.ubalt.edu/students/kerber_n/idia642/Final_Usabilit y_Report.pdf David Walker tells me the report

Re: [CODE4LIB] U of Baltimore, Final Usability Report, link resolvers -- MIA?

2012-09-05 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 9/5/2012 9:04 AM, Emily Lynema wrote: Yes, there were (we used 360 Link during the testing). This is one of the reasons we turned on 1-Click about 6 months ago and have been fairly pleased with the results. What does turn on 1-Click mean with regard to Summon? This has turned into a

Re: [CODE4LIB] U of Baltimore, Final Usability Report, link resolvers -- MIA?

2012-09-05 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Ah, thanks. If you are thinking of using Summon with a different link resolver, you'd have to see if they provide a similar pass-through type service. I *think* that SFX does. SFX indeed does, but I think on the same basis as 360Link -- turn it on or off globally. Umlaut, the open

[CODE4LIB] U of Baltimore, Final Usability Report, link resolvers -- MIA?

2012-09-04 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Hi helpful code4lib community, at one point there was a report online at: http://student-iat.ubalt.edu/students/kerber_n/idia642/Final_Usability_Report.pdf David Walker tells me the report at that location included findings about SFX and/or other link resolvers. I'm really interested in

Re: [CODE4LIB] U of Baltimore, Final Usability Report, link resolvers -- MIA?

2012-09-04 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
/nicole.kerber/idia642/Final_Usability_Report.pdf Thanks, matt On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: Hi helpful code4lib community, at one point there was a report online at: http://student-iat.ubalt.edu/**students/kerber_n/idia642

Re: [CODE4LIB] haititrust

2012-08-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
There is a HathiTrust search API that you can use, in addition to RSS/OpenSearch. I can look up the details when i'm back at work next week if you can't find em googling. In fact, I think there are two seperate HT apis, one that searches HT fulltext and one that just searches metadata. I

Re: [CODE4LIB] haititrust

2012-08-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Not an answer to your question, but if you want to share I'm curious what your use case is where you want to limit to items your library owns. If HathiTrust has em in fulltext -- why would it matter to your patrons if your library has a print copy or not? And if HT does not have them in

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org down?

2012-06-25 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Yeah, the whole server seems to be down, including planet.code4lib.org hosted there, etc. Anyone know what individual we should bring this to their attention? On 6/25/2012 8:30 AM, Ed Summers wrote: Paging Oregon State: do we know why code4lib.org isn't responding? http://code4lib.org/

Re: [CODE4LIB] Academic libraries - Will dev for pay models?

2012-06-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
It seems odd to me for the library to charge individual departments for special projects. Although I realize it can make sense and be reasonable in some cases, I think there are some dangers. I mean, the library is already funded to provide services to the rest of the university, right?

Re: [CODE4LIB] MARC Magic for file

2012-05-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I have become recently unpleasantly aquainted with the world of Marc that is not Marc21, but is ISO 2709. What'll it do on ISO 2709? I might be able to dig up an example. I wonder if it'll claim it's Marc21 (not), or if it's Marc21 Non-confirming (no, it's not quite that either. It's ISO-2709

[CODE4LIB] ruby-marc 0.5.0 released

2012-05-07 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
v0.5.0 - Extensive rewrite of MARC::Reader (ISO 2709 binary reader) to provide a fairly complete and consistent handing of char encoding issues in ruby 1.9. - This code is well covered by automated tests, but ends up complex, there may be bugs, please report them. - May not work

Re: [CODE4LIB] crowdsourced book scanning

2012-04-25 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
ILL at most institutions does not keep scanned copies for future patrons, not even in a database that's not publically searchable. To do so would be of highly questionable legality with regard to copyright. As would be this plan, alas. You can easily violate copyright just sharing within the

Re: [CODE4LIB] more on MARC char encoding

2012-04-19 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
. Likewise, if there was a great enough need, I could provide a canned cleaner in MarcEdit that could fix many of the most common varieties of these smart quotes/values. --TR -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind

Re: [CODE4LIB] more on MARC char encoding

2012-04-19 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 4/19/2012 3:23 PM, LeVan,Ralph wrote: We see Unicode data pasted into MARC8 records all the time. It happens enough that my MARC8-Unicode converter takes a second look at illegal MARC8 bytes and tries a UTF-8 encoding as well. Right. I see it too. I'm arguing that means cataloger entry

[CODE4LIB] ruby-marc, better ruby 1.9 char encoding support, testers wanted

2012-04-19 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I have implemented fairly complete and robust proper support for character encodings in ruby-marc when reading 'binary' marc under ruby 1.9. It's currently in a git branch, not yet released, and not yet in git master. https://github.com/ruby-marc/ruby-marc/tree/char_encodings If anyone who

Re: [CODE4LIB] more on MARC char encoding: Now we're about ISO_2709 and MARC21

2012-04-18 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 4/18/2012 6:04 AM, Tod Olson wrote: It has to mean UTF-8. ISO 2709 is very byte-oriented, from the directory structure to the byte-offsets in the fixed fields. The values in these places all assume 8-bit character data, it's completely baked in to the file format. I'm not sure that

[CODE4LIB] MarcXML and char encodings

2012-04-17 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I know how char encodings work in MARC ISO binary -- the encoding can legally be either Marc8 or UTF8 (nothing else). The encoding of a record is specified in it's header. In the wild, specified encodings are frequently wrong, or data includes weird mixed encodings. Okay! But what's going on

Re: [CODE4LIB] MarcXML and char encodings

2012-04-17 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
is still in force, but everyone ignores it. I hope that helps! Ralph -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:35 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: MarcXML and char encodings I know how

Re: [CODE4LIB] MarcXML and char encodings

2012-04-17 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 4/17/2012 1:57 PM, Kyle Banerjee wrote: In some cases, invalid XML. In an ideal world, the encoding should be included in the declaration. But I wouldn't trust it. kyle So would you use the Marc header payload instead? Or you're just saying you wouldn't trust _any_ encoding declerations

Re: [CODE4LIB] MarcXML and char encodings

2012-04-17 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Okay, maybe here's another way to approach the question. If I want to have a MarcXML document encoded in Marc8 -- what should it look like? What should be in the XML decleration? What should be in the MARC header embedded in the XML? Or is it not in fact legal at all? If I want to have a

Re: [CODE4LIB] MarcXML and char encodings

2012-04-17 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Thanks, this is helpful feedback at least. I think it's completely irrelevant, when determining what is legal under standards, to talk about what certain Java tools happen to do though, I don't care too much what some tool you happen to use does. In this case, I'm _writing_ the tools. I want

Re: [CODE4LIB] MarcXML and char encodings

2012-04-17 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 4/17/2012 3:01 PM, Sheila M. Morrissey wrote: No -- it is perfectly legal - -but you MUST declare the encoding to BE Marc8 in the XML prolog, Wait, how canyou declare a Marc8 encoding in an XML decleration/prolog/whatever it's called? The things that appear there need to be from a

[CODE4LIB] more on MARC char encoding: Now we're about ISO_2709 and MARC21

2012-04-17 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Okay, forget XML for a moment, let's just look at marc 'binary'. First, for Anglophone-centric MARC21. The LC docs don't actually say quite what I thought about leader byte 09, used to advertise encoding: a - UCS/Unicode Character coding in the record makes use of characters from the

Re: [CODE4LIB] Silently print (no GUI) in Windows

2012-04-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
If you had PDFs, you could probably do it. But if you have a bunch of different proprietary application files each one is different, and needs software that can interpret the file and turn it into a print job (postscript, or whatever). Normally this software is the 'full application'

Re: [CODE4LIB] Anyone implementing common LIS applications on PaaS providers?

2012-03-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Older 3.x versions of Blacklight may have put a solrmarc.jar inside your app's ./config/SolrMarc. That may not be caught by your slug ignore. This was an error, it was never meant to do that. If you have one in a BL 3.x you should be safe to remove it. Other than that, I'm curious what's

Re: [CODE4LIB] Anyone implementing common LIS applications on PaaS providers?

2012-03-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 3/29/2012 5:05 PM, Chris Fitzpatrick wrote: locally and push them rather than rely on Heroku to precompile them (currently when I push, Heroku's precompile fails, so it reverts to compile at runtime mode) if anyone has insight into this, please lemme know...I believe having them compile

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q.: MARC8 vs. MARC/Unicode and pymarc and misencoded III records

2012-03-08 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
a) Mis-characterized MARC char encodings are common amongst many of our corpuses and ILS's. It is a common problem. It can be very inconvenient. Not only Marc8 that says it's UTF8 and vice versa, but something that says it's MARC8 or UTF8 but is actually neither. b) While one solution would

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q.: MARC8 vs. MARC/Unicode and pymarc and misencoded III records

2012-03-08 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
instead. Bad marc data, including illegal char encodings, is a continual inconvenience, you work around it in your pymarc-based software, eventually you'll have some other software in a different language that you have to duplicate your workarounds in. On 3/8/2012 3:45 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote

Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Transact-SQL

2012-03-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Then you might be best starting with a really good book on SQL in general, or 'standard' SQL. On 3/6/2012 1:42 PM, Wilfred Drew wrote: It is actually for a job I am interested in. I have no SQL experience in depth at all. Just some using Access. -Original Message- From: Code for

Re: [CODE4LIB] Repositories, OAI-PMH and web crawling

2012-03-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
IF your HTML includes embedded semantic data using HTML5 microdata or RDFa or something similar (using a standard vocabulary -- the standard for repositories seems to be DC-based, since that's often all you can get out of OAI-PMH anyway) --- then web crawling combined with site maps probably

Re: [CODE4LIB] Local catalog records and Google, Bing, Yahoo!

2012-02-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 2/23/2012 1:37 PM, Sean Hannan wrote: Anecdotally, it would appear that bing (and bing-using yahoo) seem to drastically play down catalog records in their results. We're not doing anything to favor a particular search engine; we have a completely open robots.txt file. I think they're

Re: [CODE4LIB] Local catalog records and Google, Bing, Yahoo!

2012-02-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 2/23/2012 2:45 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: This links to thoughts I've had about linked data and finding a way to use library holdings over the Web. Obviously, bibliographic data alone is a full service: people want to get the stuff once they've found out that such stuff exists. So how do we get

[CODE4LIB] How to get from what you've found to access:

2012-02-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Changing the subject line, cause this is an interesting topic on it's own. On 2/23/2012 2:45 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: This links to thoughts I've had about linked data and finding a way to use library holdings over the Web. Obviously, bibliographic data alone is a full service: people want to

Re: [CODE4LIB] Local catalog records and Google, Bing, Yahoo!

2012-02-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 2/23/2012 3:53 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: Jonathan, while having these thoughts your Umlaut service did come to mind. If you ever have time to expand on how it could work in a wide open web environment, I'd love to hear it. (I know you explain below, but I don't know enough about link

Re: [CODE4LIB] Local catalog records and Google, Bing, Yahoo!

2012-02-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 2/23/2012 5:35 PM, Stephen Hearn wrote: But there's a catch--when WorldCat redirects a search to the selected local library catalog, it targets the OCLC record number. If the holding library has included the OCLC record number in its indexed data, the user goes right to the desired record. If

Re: [CODE4LIB] Issue Tracker Recommendations

2012-02-22 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 2/22/2012 5:10 PM, Sebastian Karcher wrote: Because Trac and Git have come up: Zotero has switched from Trac/SVN to Git and I (and I think everyone else involved) much prefers git, not least because of it's better issue handling. I found Trac slow, clumsy, and ugly. I'm confused. Git is a

[CODE4LIB] more on returning partial HTML to javascript

2012-02-20 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
A while ago we had a big debate/argument about whether it makes sense to return partial HTML snippets from ajax (or really, um, ajah, in this case?) requests from javascript; or whether instead modern apps should all move toward javascript MVC models with most logic in the js layer; or

Re: [CODE4LIB] www.code4lib.org down?

2012-02-20 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 2/20/2012 12:54 PM, Cary Gordon wrote: I could also put it on one of my servers. It needs a simple LAMP stack. I think that it requires PHP 5.2.x and might throw errors on 5.3.x. There are some other things running on that server than Drupal. Including the 'planet' aggregator, the wiki,

[CODE4LIB] Pre confirm when where?

2012-02-05 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Is there some obvious way I'm not seei g to figure out when and where the conf pre conf sessions are tomorrow? I can't seem to find it anywhere. I don't even know what time to wake up and go looking for them? Not even positive if they are at the conf hotel?

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib 2012 streaming

2012-02-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Is the video also being recorded for putting up on the web later? On 2/1/2012 11:48 AM, Corey A Harper wrote: Dear All, I'll be managing our attempts to ensure code4lib 2012 is streamed. The plan is to stream all plenary portions of the conference via livestream, and I'll post the channel link

Re: [CODE4LIB] Koha in the Running

2012-01-12 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
The only thing I can say is be careful of PTFS/LibLime as a vendor. There are other vendors that provide Koha support in the US, however. http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2011/09/20/koha-support-or-hosting-options/ On 1/12/2012 1:19 PM, todd.d.robb...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I'm curious to

Re: [CODE4LIB] Obvious answer to registration limitations

2012-01-11 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 1/11/2012 11:31 AM, Jim Safley wrote: I happen to know that Amanda French, THATCamp Coordinator, is interested in talking with the code4lib coordinators about the distributed conference model. Ah, but if you haven't figured it out yet, there pretty much are no such thing as 'code4lib

[CODE4LIB] http://openurl.code4lib.org/ MIA

2012-01-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
there used to be an http://openurl.code4lib.org/ . It's even linked to from a Wikipedia article on OpenURL. I seem to recall it had some useful stuff rsinger put there. It is now MIA. Anyone know what happened to it, and if it's easy to bring it back? rsinger? No big deal, just curious.

[CODE4LIB] re-introducing Umlaut, again

2012-01-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
An alpha release of Umlaut 3.0 is now available. Umlaut is an open source front-end for a link resolver, or: Umlaut is a just-in-time aggregator of last mile specific citation services, taking input as OpenURL, and providing an HTML UI as well as an api suite for embedding Umlaut

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: best practices for *simple* contributor IP/licensing management for open source?

2011-12-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Thanks! I wasn't wanting to invent something new, I was just having trouble finding any light weight processes via googling, thus I figured I'd ask you all. I'll definitely spend some time checking out the DCO process. Hopefully the documents used in it are licensed (creative commons or

Re: [CODE4LIB] conference voting and registration

2011-12-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 12/15/2011 6:07 PM, Francis Kayiwa wrote: Perhaps it has reached a point where regional ones will be the way to go as more and more people get left out. I say if you get left out. Plan to run your $local code4lib to make up for it. Yep, that'd be the party line. You know Code4Lib was

Re: [CODE4LIB] conference voting and registration

2011-12-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 12/15/2011 6:32 PM, Cary Gordon wrote: Pretty much any volunteer position guarantees you a spot. It is up to the organizers to figure out what they need help with. I do not think this is true. Pretty sure Kyle just said as much for this year. I don't think it's been true in past years

[CODE4LIB] Q: best practices for *simple* contributor IP/licensing management for open source?

2011-12-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Also posted on my blog at: http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2011/12/14/practices-for-simple-contributor-management/ So, like many non-huge non-corporate-supported open source projects, many of the open source projects I contribute to go something like this (some of which I was original author,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Sending html via ajax -vs- building html in js (was: jQuery Ajax request to update a PHP variable)

2011-12-08 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 12/8/2011 9:27 AM, Bill Dueber wrote: To these I would add: * Reuse. The call you're making may be providing data that would be useful in other contexts as well. If you're generating application-specific html, that can't happen. Well, if the other contexts are Javascript, and your HTML is

Re: [CODE4LIB] Sending html via ajax -vs- building html in js (was: jQuery Ajax request to update a PHP variable)

2011-12-08 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 12/8/2011 11:19 AM, Robert Sanderson wrote: If you blindly include whatever you get back directly into the page, it might include either badly performing, out of date, or potentially maliciousscript tags that subsequently destroy the page. It's the equivalent of blindly accepting web form

Re: [CODE4LIB] Sending html via ajax -vs- building html in js (was: jQuery Ajax request to update a PHP variable)

2011-12-08 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Godmar Backgod...@gmail.com wrote: If we tell newbies (no offense meant by that term) that AJAX means send a request and then insert a chunk of HTML in your DOM, we're short-changing their view of the type of Rich Internet Application (RIA) AJAX today is equated

Re: [CODE4LIB] Sending html via ajax -vs- building html in js (was: jQuery Ajax request to update a PHP variable)

2011-12-07 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
A fair number? Anyone but Godmar? On 12/7/2011 5:02 PM, Nate Vack wrote: OK. So we have a fair number of very smart people saying, in essence, it's better to build your HTML in javascript than send it via ajax and insert it. So, I'm wondering: Why? Is it an issue of data transfer size? Is

Re: [CODE4LIB] marc in json

2011-12-07 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
of these things. It would be useful, yes. From: Daniel Chudnov [daniel.chud...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 7:27 PM To: Code for Libraries Cc: Jonathan Rochkind Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] marc in json On 12/1/2011 3:24 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: newline

Re: [CODE4LIB] Sending html via ajax -vs- building html in js (was: jQuery Ajax request to update a PHP variable)

2011-12-07 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Also, I've thought of a good reason myself: performance. If I'm adding an item to a list, it's a better user experience to update the display immediately rather than waiting for the server to send back a 200 OK, and handle the error or timeout case specially. While in general I tend toward

Re: [CODE4LIB] jQuery Ajax request to update a PHP variable

2011-12-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Is it too late to dedicate a presentation slot to a performance? (Whoa, actually, seriously, a Code4Lib talent show would be AWESOME.) The rails conf in baltimore a couple years ago had an evening jam session slot. Sadly, it's really a pain bringing the accordion on an airplane.

Re: [CODE4LIB] jQuery Ajax request to update a PHP variable

2011-12-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I'll admit I haven't spent a lot of time investigating/analyzing this particular application -- it's quite possible an all-JS app is the right choice here. I was just responding to the suggestion that returning HTML to AJAX was out of style and shouldn't be done anymore; with the implication

Re: [CODE4LIB] jQuery Ajax request to update a PHP variable

2011-12-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 12/6/2011 1:42 PM, Godmar Back wrote: Current trends certainly go in the opposite direction, look at jQuery Mobile. Hmm, JQuery mobile still operates on valid and functional HTML delivered by the server. In fact, one of the designs of JQuery mobile is indeed to degrade to a non-JS version

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-05 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 12/5/2011 1:40 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: This brings up another point that I haven't fully grokked yet: the use of MARC kept library data consistent across the many thousands of libraries that had MARC-based systems. Well, only somewhat consistent, but, yeah. What happens if we move to

Re: [CODE4LIB] jQuery Ajax request to update a PHP variable

2011-12-05 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I'm not sure what you're trying to do makes sense. You'd have to write some PHP code to receive the AJAX request and use it to update the variable. There's nothing in PHP that will do this automatically. However, since, I believe, PHP variables are usually only 'in scope' for the context of

Re: [CODE4LIB] jQuery Ajax request to update a PHP variable

2011-12-05 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I still like sending HTML back from my server. I guess I never got the message that that was out of style, heh. My server application already has logic for creating HTML from templates, and quite possibly already creates this exact same piece of HTML in some other place, possibly for use with

Re: [CODE4LIB] Pandering for votes for code4lib sessions

2011-12-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I would also mention that we generally expect people voting to either plan to at least potentially attend the conference, or have a prior participation/affiliation/interest in the Code4Lib Community. We're not expecting random people to be voting just for the hell of it, or to help our a

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