Jeff Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
...
Alternatively..
Let's abandon all this wishy-washy 'community' guff and focus on what
matters: the code. As Coding Machines, I say each new committer be
assigned a serial number by which they are addressed publicly. With
luck, we can eliminate any
Daniel Rall wrote:
Jeff Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
...
Alternatively..
Let's abandon all this wishy-washy 'community' guff and focus on what
matters: the code. As Coding Machines, I say each new committer be
assigned a serial number by which they are addressed publicly. With
luck, we
Sam Ruby wrote:
The ASF I wish to be a part of is one and/or create is one that
tolerates differences in points of view or approach to solving problems.
Amen.
--
Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Right, well the home pages are there now. And right now they are more
closely associated with Apache itself than community.apache.org would.
You're bringing up a new issue as to whether they should be taken away.
The matter at hand is the creation of a new alias to in a way make them
more
You have a corporate viewpoint of how Apache's relationship with Sun
should be managed. I tend to think letting them know is fine. (Somehow
any explanation of this would probably start sounding like the cluetrain
manifesto...which I never read because it was too long winded, but
On Sunday, December 1, 2002, at 06:01 PM, Ben Hyde wrote:
I've attempted to enumerate some of my concerns ..
I'm done. - ben
On Sunday, December 1, 2002, at 06:01 PM, Ben Hyde wrote:
I've attempted to enumerate some of my concerns ..
I'm done. - ben
I find myself (sadly) once again agreeing with you...
david
--On Sunday, December 1, 2002 8:25 PM -0500 Andrew C. Oliver
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So Sam Ruby is the ECMA conveiner for the .NET CLI.. I propose
(since its well known) that he's an apache committer and the PMC
chair of Jakarta that he be told he can't do that anymore.
Ugh! No, you are
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
The foundation is responsible for everything on our servers. I don't
care for it to be associated with *personal* views. Go find a different
soapbox to stand on top of. Your contributions to the ASF don't merit
you getting a personal bully pulpit. -- justin
There
--On Sunday, December 1, 2002 7:23 PM -0800 Stefano Mazzocchi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are 450 people with commit access. Each one of them can put
something in our servers that can screw the ASF, including web
sites.
Why is this any different?
Because of community oversight. There are no
Sam Ruby wrote:
The ASF has supportted .forward files for e-mail for quite some time.
Would the mere act of putting a one line .forward file into your
~/public_html directory with your favorite URL be OK?
A bit more work for httpd than your ~name/public_html/community or some
such proposal,
On Sunday, December 1, 2002, at 01:28 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
I think you're missing the point here. Regardless of the verbiage
used, if this whole community thing comes to fruition, it becomes a de
facto representation of the face of the Apache community.
FWIW, I'm -1 on the whole thing.
On Sunday, December 1, 2002, at 01:39 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Our mission. Creating great software. Puzzling out how to do that
productively in cooperative volunteer teams. Releasing that widely
under a license that is both open. Crafting an effective open
license.
One that doesn't
It has been implied by those who contribute massive amounts
of their time to maintain our systems, that as soon as
a secure and manageable system for revision control
comes along that does not require local accounts
(like subversion), then they will stop creating
login accounts and might possibly
Aaron Bannert wrote:
That is a noble goal, and I support this goal, although I do not think
that an organized soapbox is the right way to do this. The short little
here's the link to my homepage, oh and I work on this and that project
pages are great. Anything other than that is off limits in my
Justin Erenkrantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
--On Monday, December 2, 2002 8:39 AM +0100 Nicola Ken Barozzi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think we are talking about complete personal websites with
blogs and such, with rants and honeymoon pictures, but about some
pages that explain
--On Monday, December 2, 2002 10:56 AM -0500 Sam Ruby
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Justin, if you would like to put forward a set of rules,
guidelines, and suggest an enforcement mechanism, I would be
inclined to endorse it if it would further consensus.
As I have said before, what I would prefer is
From: Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 December 2002 22:23
Sander Striker wrote:
Which is simply not the case if not all committers and members are
represented
on there.
Here is an effort that I made last year http://cvs.apache.org/~rubys/
Here is much move visually
From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 December 2002 22:49
Sander Striker wrote:
Right now the homepages aren't linked to from anywhere and certainly
not promoted. Creating the dns entry will seem like promoting the use
of the homepages.
Yes, that's exactly the
From: Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 December 2002 16:56
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
--On Monday, December 2, 2002 8:39 AM +0100 Nicola Ken Barozzi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think we are talking about complete personal websites with
blogs and such, with rants and
Sander Striker wrote:
My point is that quite a number of people won't have the time
(or inclination) to do so. And because they don't, they aren't
listed*.
:
Currently the list (auto created) on Kens page holds about
40 committers. How many committers do we have in total?
Justin, if you would like to put forward a set of rules,
guidelines, and suggest an enforcement mechanism, I would be
inclined to endorse it if it would further consensus.
It occurs to me that if people want to guide the content of the ASF hosted
personal page, there could be a DTD, and the
ROUS wrote:
uniform education of (new) committers is one of the purposes of the
incubator
project. documenting these things for all, including existing committers,
is as well.
As a new committer, I not only appreciate that view, I want to know where to
find the info! :-)
--- Noel
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
As a new committer, I not only appreciate that view, I want to
know where to find the info! :-)
keep an eye on incubator.apache.org
Aaron Bannert wrote:
To me it seems we are trying to solve two problems here:
1) A place to put homepages and personal content, including
(but not limited to) ASF-related activities and project proposals,
as well as individual interests.
2) A catalog of the people representing the ASF
On Monday, December 2, 2002, at 12:55 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
[long quote omitted]
Please refrain from copying every line of a post in your reply.
It is best to only quote what you are replying to.
-aaron
Aaron Bannert wrote:
As Justin pointed out, we get automatic oversight right now when someone
makes a change to a project website, including the contributor listings.
This works very well for code commits, so whatever we come up with should
probably have the same level of oversight.
Justin has a
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
I would like to propose the creation of such a virtual host so that all
apache homepages will be hosted at
http://community.apache.org/~name
That page should be hosted on your public_html directory on your
cvs.apache.org account (all committers have one, unlike
From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 December 2002 16:34
Yeah.. I'm confused...what does ANY of the issues brought up have to do
with creating the dns entry? It seems some folks are voting/debating
the home directories themselves. Those are already there and I assume
From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 December 2002 18:56
Sander Striker wrote:
Right now the homepages aren't linked to from anywhere and certainly
not promoted.
url:http://cvs.apache.org/~coar/people.html, updated nightly, and
certainly transformable into a
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
If Ken puts a little more description on the page, the keywords should
get picked up by google. My blog seems to be well regarded by google.
i'd rather address the issue of those people who use their directories
for non-about-me stuff first.. there. anyone who
* Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
considering that.. making this an opt-in by checking for a .publish file
might be a better approach. that way, anyone who wants to be listed
has to take an explicit step to make it happen, rather than being listed
without necessarily even knowing about it.
From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 December 2002 19:43
Sander Striker wrote:
url:http://cvs.apache.org/~coar/people.html, updated nightly, and
certainly transformable into a more 'official' process.
Should've seen that one comming. However, you have to know
--On Sunday, December 1, 2002 1:53 PM -0500 Rodent of Unusual Size
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ick to what? its existence, or the format? :-)
Its existence and the fact that Andy is on a campaign to get Google
to pick up on it. -- justin
Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
These are the homepages and voices of the Apache Community. These
pages represent the committers and members of the Apache Software
Foundation.
Which is simply not the case if not all committers and members are represent
ed
on there.
Lets
Sander Striker wrote:
Which is simply not the case if not all committers and members are
represented
on there.
Here is an effort that I made last year http://cvs.apache.org/~rubys/
Here is much move visually appealing and more maintained version:
http://www.apache.org/~jim/committers.html
Would
Ben Hyde wrote:
On Sunday, December 1, 2002, at 06:04 AM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Ben Hyde wrote:
'community.apache.org' web site.
-1
Uh, thanks Ben. That helped a lot understanding the reasons behind
your negative vote.
My prior post regarding this enthusiasm follows...
Ok, cool. See my
Sam Ruby wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
I would like to propose the creation of such a virtual host so that
all apache homepages will be hosted at
http://community.apache.org/~name
That page should be hosted on your public_html directory on your
cvs.apache.org account (all committers have
Sander Striker wrote:
From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 December 2002 16:34
Yeah.. I'm confused...what does ANY of the issues brought up have to do
with creating the dns entry? It seems some folks are voting/debating
the home directories themselves. Those are already
//www.apache.org/foundation/members.html
I'd be more comfortable if the individual committer pages were
hosted outside the apache.org domain, as is the case with this
example. - ben
On Sunday, December 1, 2002, at 04:28 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Wow.. I really do feel like I'm at the Congress of Vienna.
huh? (and yes I know what the congress of vienna was).
It keeps coming back down to this:
open (we sit on the left)
closed (you sit on the right)
and it really keeps
Ben Hyde wrote:
//www.apache.org/foundation/members.html
I'd be more comfortable if the individual committer pages were
hosted outside the apache.org domain, as is the case with this
example. - ben
With a few notable exceptions, for example: http://www.apache.org/~fielding/
- Sam Ruby
On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 03:13:26PM -0600, B. W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
snip
I think you're missing the point here. Regardless of the verbiage
used, if this whole community thing comes to fruition, it becomes a de
facto representation of the face of the Apache community.
Indeed - all projects
Ben Hyde wrote:
On Sunday, December 1, 2002, at 04:28 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Wow.. I really do feel like I'm at the Congress of Vienna.
huh? (and yes I know what the congress of vienna was).
conservatives sat on the left and the more liberal sat on the left
(hence where the terms right and
Sam Ruby wrote:
Ben Hyde wrote:
//www.apache.org/foundation/members.html
I'd be more comfortable if the individual committer pages were
hosted outside the apache.org domain, as is the case with this
example. - ben
With a few notable exceptions, for example:
http://www.apache.org/~fielding/
or
Victor J. Orlikowski wrote:
Apache is about two things, as I see it: primarily, software and,
as a consequence of that software, people.
I see it exactly the other way around. Great communities always create
great software. The opposite is not always true (see sourceforge).
--
Stefano Mazzocchi
My opinions exactly match Ken's below.
- Sam Ruby
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
it looks like several issues are getting conflated again.
1. should people be permitted to have/publish *.apache.org/~name pages?
2. should they follow any sort of guidelines?
3. should there be a list of them?
4.
it looks like several issues are getting conflated again.
sarcasm ONBig suprise./sarcasm off
1. should people be permitted to have/publish *.apache.org/~name pages?
2. should they follow any sort of guidelines?
3. should there be a list of them?
4. should a list be mandatory or opt-in only?
Sam Ruby wrote:
My opinions exactly match Ken's below.
Same here.
- Sam Ruby
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
it looks like several issues are getting conflated again.
1. should people be permitted to have/publish *.apache.org/~name pages?
2. should they follow any sort of guidelines?
3. should there
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Victor J. Orlikowski wrote:
Apache is about two things, as I see it: primarily, software and,
as a consequence of that software, people.
I see it exactly the other way around. Great communities always create
great software. The opposite is not always true (see
--On Sunday, December 1, 2002 6:01 PM -0500 Rodent of Unusual Size
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
5. is it an all-or-nothing proposition (everyone has them or no-one
does)?
-1. someone tries to force its opinion on me about how i may
choose to express myself and describe my participation in the asf,
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
it looks like several issues are getting conflated again.
1. should people be permitted to have/publish *.apache.org/~name pages?
2. should they follow any sort of guidelines?
3. should there be a list of them?
4. should a list be mandatory or opt-in only?
5. is it an
David Reid wrote:
file://www.apache.org/foundation/members.html
I'd be more comfortable if the individual committer pages were
hosted outside the apache.org domain, as is the case with this
example. - ben
With a few notable exceptions, for example:
http://www.apache.org/~fielding/
Ben Hyde wrote:
'community.apache.org' web site.
-1
Uh, thanks Ben. That helped a lot understanding the reasons behind your
negative vote.
Several things were put on the table:
1) potential non-asf-ralated material
2) content imposition
3) fact - vote
4) -1 without reason
5) automatic
Sylvain Wallez wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Dear ASF citizens,
I would like to propose the creation of the 'community.apache.org'
web site.
Currently, some people have their apache homepage on
www.apache.org/~name and some on cvs.apache.org/~name and some don't
have it.
This creates
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
You have a vanity license plate don't you? ;-)
May be ;--)
From: Justin Erenkrantz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 27 November 2002 23:30
--On Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:34:00 -0800 Stefano Mazzocchi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to propose the creation of the 'community.apache.org' web
site.
Currently, some people have their
On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 02:30:24PM -0800, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
--On Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:34:00 -0800 Stefano Mazzocchi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to propose the creation of the 'community.apache.org' web
site.
+1
Currently, some people have their apache homepage
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
+1 on the alias. 0 on the content suggestion (I don't think we should
vote on what people put on their page, certainly make it a
strong suggestion -- I don't actually how people botch my name ;-) )
I totally agree with Andrew: +1
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
snip/
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
(Note: on infrastructure@, Stephen brought up ASF-wide blogs - my reply
was essentially the same as this.) -- justin
That's _Steven_, so now we are pretty sure we need that .au file and
some phonetical representation of each committers' name! ;-D
/Steven
--
Steven
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
http://community.apache.org/~name
and
http://www.apache.org/~name http://cvs.apache.org/~name
are automatically redirected there.
+1
That page should be hosted on your public_html directory on your
cvs.apache.org account (all committers have one, unlike
www.apache.org
I would like to propose the creation of such a virtual host so that
all apache homepages will be hosted at
http://community.apache.org/~name
+1, although I would prefer a shorter name like people that was
proposed at some time.
I've make a dream :
http://name.apache.org/
ie:
* Henri Gomez wrote:
I've make a dream :
yes...
http://name.apache.org/
...a nightmare ;-)
nd
--
Treat your password like your toothbrush. Don't let anybody else
use it, and get a new one every six months. -- Clifford Stoll
(found in
+1
People would be something else than a name or an email address ;).
Eric.
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Dear ASF
citizens,
I would like to propose the creation of the 'community.apache.org' web
site.
Currently, some people have their apache homepage on
www.apache.org/~name and some on
Dear ASF citizens,
I would like to propose the creation of the 'community.apache.org' web site.
Currently, some people have their apache homepage on
www.apache.org/~name and some on cvs.apache.org/~name and some don't
have it.
This creates fragmentation and confusion.
I would like to propose
+1
--
Mike Braden
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 3:34 PM
To: community@apache.org
Subject: [proposal] creation of communitity.apache.org
Dear ASF citizens,
I
Ditto.
-Original Message-
From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 3:49 PM
To: community@apache.org
Subject: Re: [proposal] creation of communitity.apache.org
+1 on the alias. 0 on the content suggestion (I don't think we should vote
on what
I'm also +1 on community.apache.org and the redirects, but I'm quite
unsure if we really should place such preconditions on all the
committers. We certainly have to establish some basic 'rules' or may be
only strong suggestions as Andy stated. however, IMO the requirements
should be preferably
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Dear ASF citizens,
I would like to propose the creation of the 'community.apache.org' web
site.
+1!
Ciao,
--
Gianugo Rabellino
--On Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:34:00 -0800 Stefano Mazzocchi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to propose the creation of the 'community.apache.org' web
site.
Currently, some people have their apache homepage on www.apache.org/~name
and some on cvs.apache.org/~name and some don't have
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