Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Andy Green wrote:
|> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
|> |> And temp in 0.25 Kelvin
|> |> steps --> Celcius in 0.1 steps.  But this is basically scaling up
|> |> operation and you see otherwise unmassaged data.
|> |
|> | ?
|> | 1K step = 1 degree Celsius step
|>
|> "Scaling up operation" refers to the sentence before that you snipped:
|>
|> ''Some of the coulomb counter data is actually directly provided in very
|> funny units relative to a sense resistor outside the chip (20mR in our
|> case), the driver does the recommended computation and normalizes them
|> to uV and uA as required by power_supply APIs.''
|
| So this is not saying that a .25K step is a .1C step?

Wow no, the guy on top of these quotes was asking if we send raw data
from Coulomb Counter chip down /sys.  What I was explaining is it is
pretty raw, but power_supply mandates we report in 0.1C steps and the
chip gives us 0.25K steps, therefore we rebase Kelvin to Centigrade and
then convert the granularity to 0.1C, itself actually a "scaling up
operation", ie we are not losing information.  You can see all this in
the link I gave to the driver:

~ 245 case POWER_SUPPLY_PROP_TEMP:
~ 246 v = hdq_read16(di, BQ27000_TEMP_L);
~ 247 if (v < 0)
~ 248 return v;
~ 249 /* K (in 0.25K units) is 273.15 up from C (in 0.1C)*/
~ 250 /* 10926 = 27315 * 4 / 10 */
~ 251 val->intval = (((long)v * 10l) - 10926) / 4;
~ 252 break;

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Re: Max seep of the SD slot?

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| | access let me know what the max speed of the Glamo's MicroSD card
| | controller is?  looking for MB/s, or something like that.
|
| It's just slightly under 25MHz SD Clock, we round it up and call it 25MHz.

| What is that in MB/s?

Well, a good rule of thumb for generic 1-bit transfer is divide by 10
for the max speed in Bytes/sec you could expect, here we have 4-bit so
the peak raw trasfer speed is ~10MBytes/sec *BUT* after Glamo pulls the
data from the card, we have to sit there dragging it into the CPU
memory, on top of card latencies and command setup the speed is way
slower, still a decent ~2MBytes/sec each way IIRC.

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Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

[Timo Jyrinki]

2008/7/24 Al Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> fixed a long way back in the route. I didn't have a tile cached for the area
> I had walked into. When I zoomed out to a scale where I did have a tile
> cached it redrew the track, this time following the route I had walked
> without jumping.

Actually if you do not have the area cached, it will just stay at the
previous zoom level map tile wise if you zoom in and draw a new trace
line on top of the old one. Ie. it is just messing up the display.

-Timo

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Re: strange problem with Intenso 4GB SDHC card

[Doug Jones]

Mikael Berthe wrote:
> * Doug Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-07-24 01:21 +0200]:
>> There have been some indications that partition type may have some 
>> effect on this problem on the OLPC.
> 
> I doubt it.
> 
>> So, shrink the default vfat partition that came on the card and put
>> an ext3 on there too.  If you want to be adventurous, try some other
>> types.
> 
> Happens to me with ext3 partitions as well (or mixed vfat/ext3
> partitions).
> 
> However if I restore the partition table the data are not corrupted,
> at least so far it's been all right...


Most people who use SD cards on OLPC are leaving them formatted as vfat, 
because Sugar can't see any other type.  I don't recall seeing any 
reports of partition table mangling from these people, who are the vast 
majority of OLPC users.

It's when they try something other than vfat that the corruption occurs. 
  When it happened to me, I had one vfat and one ext3 on there.

So on the OLPC at least, the corruption does seem to be correlated with 
partition type.


Because the number of people trying different file systems on the SD 
card was relatively small, and because the corruption was happening sort 
of randomly, it's been difficult to figure out what's happening.  Sample 
size too small.

People were making all kinds of assumptions based on the limited 
reports, some of them wrong.  If you look through that bug ticket and 
also various reports on forums and lists, you find contradictory 
information regarding which builds were affected, which file systems 
were affected, and so on.  This kind of noise makes it a lot harder to 
debug.  It's still not clear that this problem is understood, even six 
months later.

This is why I suggested that lots of people try various file systems in 
their Neos, even if they don't need to have a card in there right now. 
If there is indeed an SD problem in the Neo, we need lots of reports, 
otherwise the sampling size problem might drag out the debugging for 
months as happened with OLPC.

If there is no problem with SD, then there's no harm done.  You'll just 
have a lot of people walking around with SD cards they aren't using yet 
sitting inside their phones.



And of course it's entirely possible that the OLPC / SD problem has 
nothing to do with the Neo.

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Re: Upgrading issue: kernel-module-ext2

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg upgrade
| Upgrading kernel-module-ext2 on root from 1:2.6.24+git20080424-r0 to
| 2:2.6.24+git20+287b292cf95edbd82dc63085ae5f0167a6e8141f-r0...
| Collected errors:
|  * ERROR: Package kernel-module-ext2 (parent kernel-module-ext2) is
| not available from any configured src.
|  * Failed to download kernel-module-ext2. Perhaps you need to run
'opkg update'?
|
| I've run the update, this has been around for a couple days.  Is this
| package important?

This is OK in itself... I moved ext2 and ext3 support into the
monolithic kernel so we can now do ext2 / 3 SD Card boot.  You need to
update the bootloader to play that game (but, it is a really fun game).

What the effect of that is on the package state with opkg is I dunno.
rpm (that I do know) has "obsoletes" tag one would add to the main
kernel package so it would have deleted the ext2 module package on upgrade.

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Re: Public build host (proposal)

[Asheesh Laroia]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Christ van Willegen wrote:

> Well, that's about it :-) A simple Ubuntu- or Debian-machine 'out
> there' on the Internet with up-to-date bild env and the poosibility to
> scp files over would be ideal now :-)

You can borrow an account on my machine for now if you like.  Email me 
off-list.

(Keeping the list in the loop for some reason.)

-- Asheesh.

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Re: No start icon in home screen

[Jacob Peterson]

There was another thread on launching apps in ASU not too long ago.  I think
it was determined that by default Illume is restricted to only certain
categories by the /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu file.  Some applications
.desktop files such as openmoko-terminal2's do not include any of the
categories specified in the xdg applications.menu file.  If you look in
/usr/share/applications there should be files such as
openmoko-terminal2.desktop.  I modified the Categories line in
openmoko-terminal2.desktop to look like:

Categories=Network;

As soon as you save it should appear on the main screen in ASU.

-Jacob

I don't think this got through the first time, sorry if there is a double
post.

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>  Hi all
>
> when i install new applications sometimes there are no icons for this app
> (openmoko-terminal2 for example) in the ASU home screen.
>
> Does somebody now how to correct this?
>
> Quippini
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Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

[Marcus Bauer]

On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 21:03 +0200, Yorick Moko wrote:
> i tried to walk with tangogps and sometimes i jumed 1-2 km in a random
> direction and kept drifting
> there were no roads in openstreetmaps for my location, could this influence 
> it?

No, that is definitely not the case. But occasionally I have seen this
behaviour too on my FR, yet never on the Neo1973s. 

One interesting observation I made is that my FR has in the beginning
often a GPS time offset 15 seconds into the future. It does so even if I
feed the time by AGPS.

It takes 10-15 minutes until this is corrected by the chip.


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Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

[Mikael Berthe]

* Yorick Moko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-07-23 21:03 +0200]:
> i tried to walk with tangogps and sometimes i jumed 1-2 km in a random
> direction and kept drifting
> there were no roads in openstreetmaps for my location, could this
> influence it?

I don't think so so.

As far as I can tell, tango GPS just uses the data provided by the GPS
chip (via gpsd) and displays your location on the top of the map.
It doesn't care if the map is empty, or whatever it contains...

Regards,
-- 
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Re: strange problem with Intenso 4GB SDHC card

[Mikael Berthe]

* Doug Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-07-24 01:21 +0200]:
> 
> There have been some indications that partition type may have some 
> effect on this problem on the OLPC.

I doubt it.

> So, shrink the default vfat partition that came on the card and put
> an ext3 on there too.  If you want to be adventurous, try some other
> types.

Happens to me with ext3 partitions as well (or mixed vfat/ext3
partitions).

However if I restore the partition table the data are not corrupted,
at least so far it's been all right...
-- 
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openmoko-panel-applet for custom scripts

[Michael Kluge]

Hi all,

is there already an applet for the panel that loads some

 

pairs from a config file and shows  in the menu and executes 
 if I click on ? Or should this be integrated into 
the aux/power-button menus?


Michael

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Re: Public build host (proposal)

[Christ van Willegen]

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 2:16 AM, Marek Lindner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> since it seems to be extremely difficult to build software for the
>> OpenMoko on my home machine, perhaps it would be usefull if someone
>> (within OpenMoko?) would set up a globally reachable build host with
>> an openembedded and toolchain environment on it.
>
> could you describe what kind of problems you experience ? The only way to
> improve the situation is by naming the issues at hand.  :-)

I tried to tell you a few times, but I'll rephrase.

I have an iMac G5, rev C (with iSight built-in). That is a PowerPC64
architecture.

- There is no native Mokomakefile support for this machine
- I tried running VirtualPC to emulate an i386 processor so that I
could install Ubuntu. This works, but is _terribly_ slow. Also,
getting Ubuntu 8 on it is something I didn't try. But, building
Mokomakefile took days to get to step 1500.
- I eventually found out how to install Debian etch on my PC
(natively), but running Mokomakefile's 'make build-devel-image' gave
me an error 'don't know what to do with powerpc64 architecture'.
- The toolchain explicitly states that it needs i386. I could build
from source, but openmokoui-2.0-dev is also only available for i386.

Well, that's about it :-) A simple Ubuntu- or Debian-machine 'out
there' on the Internet with up-to-date bild env and the poosibility to
scp files over would be ideal now :-)

I hope this sums up the problems well enough.

Christ van Willegen
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Re: Public build host (proposal)

[Kalle Happonen]

John Mark Walker wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Yorick Moko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> by "gratis" he means "without cost"
>>
>> 
>
> Oops... :)  Yes, I mean "free as in beer."
>
>   
Not to be a nitpick, but I think the official quote is "free as in free 
beer" which makes much more sense :). In general I have a way too hard 
time to find free beer.


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Re: Why is Qtopia much faster?

[Yaroslav Halchenko]

just my few cents... please be gentle if I reveal some ignorance in any
part of my expressions

such a topic could go forever and include thousands of replies because
it debates some basic decisions which had been made and which have
sufficient amount of pros and cons for the each side of the debate.
Such segmentation of the 'human mass' could be partially attributed to
the heterogeneity of opensource community (among which as you see
there might co-exist different senses of freedom --- no pun intended,
thus don't continue on this topic). It would better be characterized
with a single neutral-tone summary on wiki listing the aspects of
different distributions, their current abilities, range of available
applications, and future possible improvements.

in my summary: QT with qtopia offers to a generic public a convenient,
somewhat well-established, somewhat featurefull, consistently looking,
opensource way to develop the applications for the phones. I really
appreciated and liked their qtopia distro for FR when I tried it
recently. BUT to get such responsive UI sacrifices had been made, thus
there is no X (I do not even want to touch GPL vs BSD/... issue here).
Such a choice has strong advantages (qtopia on FR looks and seems to be
working quite well), but it also imposes limitations on what part of
existing applications base can be easily ported or supported to co-exist
with native QT apps on such a box... actually it just limits apps to QT
apps. and that is imho the end of discussion -- at this moment it is
just the situation which has to be accepted.

But once again, many people like/develop apps which are not based on QT
due to various reasons (again... lets omit license issues), thus
their choice would be a generic X-based distribution such as 2007.2 and
ASU. Now they would lack (hopefully for not too long) consistent and
stable appearance/performance/API, but that is once again the choice
which had been made.

I really appreciate work of Trolltech ... Nokia toward making pure
qtopia available for Freerunner. Probably the suite of QT apps available
for qtopia would be sufficient for a large portion of FR owners, but
would not satisfy all of them. But that again simply comes to the
heterogeneity of the FR community. I can only hope that qtopia will be
kept constantly updated and enhanced for a long period of time, and that
some new gadget from Nokia will not shift the focus away from FR ;-)

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Cédric Berger wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 00:42, Torfinn Ingolfsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > People, this discussion has turned _very_ off topic now.
> > Could you all please take further discussion on this subject in a
> > place where it is more on topic?

> > Thank you.


> Well not so off topic since we are at a point where choices are made
> about what direction development on openmoko will take... (even if
> maybe there will be several directions in parallel)
> (I mean not only for the OS and base applis, but also for applications
> one would want to develop)
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Re: Problem upgrading ncurses

[Craig B. Allen]

I believe that '-force-overwrite' allows the upgrade to proceed
without necessitating an uninstall.

Since OM documentation is so sparse, I have assumed that Debian dpkg
command line options would work, as long as you get the syntax right.

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Dale Schumacher
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> There's a bug in TRAC for this:
>> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1569
>>
>> The fix there went from "in testing" to bug "closed" in the last couple of
>> days, so presumably it works. Please confirm.
>
> This is exactly the problem.  I applied the recommended fix:
>
> opkg -force-depends remove libncurses5
> opkg install ncurses libncurses5
>
> Now everything seems to be up-to-date.  Thanks!
>
> Should this be in the wiki somewhere, or will new users not have this
> problem if they update/upgrade directly from the factory image?
>
>> Also, could you possibly post to the list in plain text, not HTML?
>
> Sure, I could.  I thought it would be more clear to post the transcript in
> fixed font.  Doesn't it come through as multi-part-alternative anyway, so
> you should have a plain-text version too?  It seems the richer markup is
> often useful.
>
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Icons Missing.

[Donnie Jones]

Hello,

I upgraded my Freerunner packages with opkg, and now all the icons are
showing up as 'X's.
The steps I performed were:
  opkg update
  opkg install dropbear
  opkg upgrade

I also tried re-installing some of the packages, such as
openmoko-icon-theme-standard2, and restaring the X server and rebooting the
phone, but none of this fixed the icons.  I don't know what package(s) I
should re-install to get the icons back.
Any help would be great.  Thank you.
__
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No start icon in home screen

[Andreas Hennig]

Hi all
when i install new applications sometimes there are no icons for this app 
(openmoko-terminal2 for example) in the ASU home screen.
Does somebody now how to correct this?

Quippini
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Upgrading issue: kernel-module-ext2

[Steven Kurylo]

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg upgrade
Upgrading kernel-module-ext2 on root from 1:2.6.24+git20080424-r0 to
2:2.6.24+git20+287b292cf95edbd82dc63085ae5f0167a6e8141f-r0...
Collected errors:
 * ERROR: Package kernel-module-ext2 (parent kernel-module-ext2) is
not available from any configured src.
 * Failed to download kernel-module-ext2. Perhaps you need to run 'opkg update'?

I've run the update, this has been around for a couple days.  Is this
package important?
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Re: Rogers SIM (Canada) causing crash on Dialer

[Steven Kurylo]

I'm getting the same issue with my rogers sim.  Did you ever figure
anything out?  I have two sims which display the same issue.  The GUI
says I've registered (I even received some SMS messages) but the
dialer crashes.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# libgsmd-tool -m shell
libgsm-tool - (C) 2006-2007 by Harald Welte and OpenMoko, Inc.
This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY

P
# # Read current opername
Our current operator is Rogers Wireless
nr
# Query network registration
registered (home network)
#
D250589
Dial 250589
RSTR=`OK'
EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: UNKNOWN
EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: REJECT
EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: RELEASE
D+1250589
# Dial +1250589
RSTR=`OK'
EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: UNKNOWN
EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: REJECT
EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: RELEASE


On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Sparrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Christopher,
>
>I think my phone has registered with my provider, just not letting me
> dial out.  From running "libgsmd-tool -m shell" here is what I am
> getting:

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[Adam Talbot]

Picked up a pile of SIM cards from a local junk dealer.  Turns out all
the older cards work just fine.  My carrier is AT&T so I can not
activate an old SIM. The newer AT&T cards are model 71234G and 71234D do
not work at all.  But people are reporting the 71234O working.  So I
find one.  It works... Mostly.  After a while the phone goes back to a
"registering" state.  At this point it will not reconnect.  But If I
pull the SIM and put it back into my old Nokia, let it boot, then
shutdown and move the SIM back to the FR, it works fine... For a few
hours. That sounds like a connection issue.  So the same test with out
the Nokia.  Just reset the card.  No good.  My normal test it to run at
+cimi.  No good.  Fine I will by an old ATT wireless SIM card.  AT&T
will not activate the old SIM because AT&T is not ATT Wireless.  This is
just a pain.  Wondering what the status on the new GSM firmware? 

Could I get around this with a SIM card burner?  Is there such a thing?
Copy the 71234O SIM onto one of my old SIMs?
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Re: HTML messages to mailing lists. Problem upgrading ncurses

[Steven Kurylo]

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Stroller
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 24 Jul 2008, at 01:09, Dale Schumacher wrote:
>>
>>> Also, could you possibly post to the list in plain text, not HTML?
>>
>> Sure, I could.  I thought it would be more clear to post the
>> transcript in fixed font.  Doesn't it come through as multi-part-
>> alternative anyway, so you should have a plain-text version too?
>> It seems the richer markup is often useful.
>
>
> The fixed-width font you chose ("courier new,monospace"?) is
> honoured, but comes up as greyish on my mail client (Apple's Mail)
> and is difficult to read.

So it sounds the problem is with your client.  Tell your client,
assuming its a reasonable client, to only show plain text and not the
HTML.

The only argument to skip html is disk space/bandwidth which is rarely
an issue these days.

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Re: GPS software fix, just CRUFT?

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
> Am Di  22. Juli 2008 schrieb Scott Derrick:
>   
>> With the GPS hardware fix done(10pf cap installed) are the software
>> changes to the kernel/modules just added cruft?  IE. do they add
>> anything useful?
>> 
>
> SW is definitely better than C, it works on data-rails as well. Those might 
> spill GPS during access even while the clock is fixed by a C.
> /jOERG
>   
Was that yes or no?
SW = Software ?
C = Cap or the language?

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Re: Problem upgrading ncurses

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Dale Schumacher wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Stroller 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> There's a bug in TRAC for this:
> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1569
>
> The fix there went from "in testing" to bug "closed" in the last
> couple of days, so presumably it works. Please confirm.
>
>
> This is exactly the problem.  I applied the recommended fix:
>
> opkg -force-depends remove libncurses5
> opkg install ncurses libncurses5
>
> Now everything seems to be up-to-date.  Thanks!
>
> Should this be in the wiki somewhere, or will new users not have this 
> problem if they update/upgrade directly from the factory image?
opkg update, opkg upgrade still results in the same error

But the forced remove above resolves it for me also, a subseqent update, 
upgrade gives no errors.

It needs to go somewhere, anyone upgrading actory-installed 2007.2 image 
without re-flashing will hit this error message until the forced remove 
is done.

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Re: GPS software fix, just CRUFT?

[Joerg Reisenweber]

Am Di  22. Juli 2008 schrieb Scott Derrick:
> With the GPS hardware fix done(10pf cap installed) are the software
> changes to the kernel/modules just added cruft?  IE. do they add
> anything useful?

SW is definitely better than C, it works on data-rails as well. Those might 
spill GPS during access even while the clock is fixed by a C.
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External GSM Antenna Connector

[Scott]

Anybody know what the connector type is for connecting an external GSM 
antenna?


I've searched the wiki multiple times to no avail.

Scott



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Re: HTML messages to mailing lists. Problem upgrading ncurses

[Stroller]

On 24 Jul 2008, at 01:09, Dale Schumacher wrote:
>
>> Also, could you possibly post to the list in plain text, not HTML?
>
> Sure, I could.  I thought it would be more clear to post the  
> transcript in fixed font.  Doesn't it come through as multi-part- 
> alternative anyway, so you should have a plain-text version too?   
> It seems the richer markup is often useful.


The fixed-width font you chose ("courier new,monospace"?) is  
honoured, but comes up as greyish on my mail client (Apple's Mail)  
and is difficult to read.

Generally speaking, posting in plain text allows me to view messages  
on my computer as I wish. HTML messages allow you to set a font that  
is unreadable in my machine, so I have to click extra buttons or  
keyboard shortcuts in order to make them viewable. This is usually  
more obvious when people set a font SIZE which is perfect on their PC  
but too small on my monitor.

I would _love_ a mail standard which allows setting bold, underline,  
italics and fixed-font without all the other rubbish that HTML email  
introduces. This would allow _you_ to set fixed-font and allow _me_  
to choose whether I wish to display it in courier, lucidia console or  
whatever (and presumably at full blackness rather than greyish).  
Unfortunately this would require co-operation from all the authors of  
email clients, so it's never likely to happen.

I don't really mind Amazon's HTML emails because they clearly have  
usability or web-design experts who spend hours on choosing fonts or  
how they specify them in their messages. In any case messages from  
Amazon, and most other online stores are always readable, so I don't  
block incoming HTML. But for mailing lists, plain-text is always safe  
and "right".

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Re: Max seep of the SD slot?

[Adam Talbot]

What is that in MB/s?

On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 21:05 +0100, Andy Green wrote:
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> | I do not have the data sheets for the Glamo 3362, can some one, who has
> | access let me know what the max speed of the Glamo's MicroSD card
> | controller is?  looking for MB/s, or something like that.
> 
> It's just slightly under 25MHz SD Clock, we round it up and call it 25MHz.
> 
> You can read about how to change the clock here:
> 
> http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commit;h=ef2376d29e996d9d21a9e5798cb88aa73f734c83
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Re: Public build host (proposal)

[Marek Lindner]

Hi,

> since it seems to be extremely difficult to build software for the
> OpenMoko on my home machine, perhaps it would be usefull if someone
> (within OpenMoko?) would set up a globally reachable build host with
> an openembedded and toolchain environment on it.

could you describe what kind of problems you experience ? The only way to 
improve the situation is by naming the issues at hand.  :-)


Marek

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Re: Problem upgrading ncurses

[Dale Schumacher]

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> There's a bug in TRAC for this:
> https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1569
>
> The fix there went from "in testing" to bug "closed" in the last couple of
> days, so presumably it works. Please confirm.


This is exactly the problem.  I applied the recommended fix:

opkg -force-depends remove libncurses5
opkg install ncurses libncurses5

Now everything seems to be up-to-date.  Thanks!

Should this be in the wiki somewhere, or will new users not have this
problem if they update/upgrade directly from the factory image?

Also, could you possibly post to the list in plain text, not HTML?


Sure, I could.  I thought it would be more clear to post the transcript in
fixed font.  Doesn't it come through as multi-part-alternative anyway, so
you should have a plain-text version too?  It seems the richer markup is
often useful.
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Re: Problem upgrading ncurses

[Stroller]

On 24 Jul 2008, at 00:43, Dale Schumacher wrote:

> Going through my daily ritual of update and upgrade, I've been  
> having trouble with ncurses.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /proc/version
> Linux version 2.6.24 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version  
> 4.1.2) #1 PREEMPT Tue Jul 22 02:21:01 CEST 2008
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg upgrade
> Upgrading ncurses on root from 5.4-r14 to 5.4-r15...
> Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/ 
> ncurses_5.4-r15_armv4t.ipk
> Collected errors:
>  * Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5
> But that file is already provided by package  * libncurses5
>
> This has persisted for at least the last 24 hours.  Is anyone else  
> seeing this problem?

There's a bug in TRAC for this:
https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1569

The fix there went from "in testing" to bug "closed" in the last  
couple of days, so presumably it works. Please confirm.

Also, could you possibly post to the list in plain text, not HTML?

Stroller.


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Re: Problem upgrading ncurses

[Steven Kurylo]

> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg upgrade
> Upgrading ncurses on root from 5.4-r14 to 5.4-r15...
> Downloading
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/ncurses_5.4-r15_armv4t.ipk
> Collected errors:
>  * Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5
> But that file is already provided by package  * libncurses5
>
> This has persisted for at least the last 24 hours.  Is anyone else seeing
> this problem?

I had it.  I forcibly removed libncurses5 and everything is fine.
ncurses no longer depends on libncurses5.

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Re: Problem upgrading ncurses

[Joseph Jon Booker]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:43:54 -0500
"Dale Schumacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Going through my daily ritual of update and upgrade, I've been having
> trouble with ncurses.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /proc/version
> Linux version 2.6.24 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 4.1.2)
> #1 PREEMPT Tue Jul 22 02:21:01 CEST 2008
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg upgrade
> Upgrading ncurses on root from 5.4-r14 to 5.4-r15...
> Downloading
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/ncurses_5.4-r15_armv4t.ipk
> Collected errors:
>  * Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5
> But that file is already provided by package  * libncurses5
> 
> This has persisted for at least the last 24 hours.  Is anyone else
> seeing this problem?

I'm not sure, since I reflashed since experiencing this problem, but I
was getting that on the same setup as I have now but with
http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/celtune-rabenfrost.conf in /etc/opkg.

Perhaps the ncurses from that repo is broken?

-- 
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Re: Problem upgrading ncurses

[alex . fitzpatrick]

- Original Message -
From: Dale Schumacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 19:44
Subject: Problem upgrading ncurses
To: List for Openmoko community discussion 

> Going through my daily ritual of update and upgrade, I've been having trouble 
> with ncurses.

> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /proc/version 
> Linux version 2.6.24 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 4.1.2) #1 PREEMPT Tue 
> Jul 22 02:21:01 CEST 2008
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg upgrade
> Upgrading ncurses on root from 5.4-r14 to 5.4-r15...
> Downloading 
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/ncurses_5.4-r15_armv4t.ipk
>  Collected errors:
>  * Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5
>     But that file is already provided by package  * libncurses5

> This has persisted for at least the last 24 hours.  Is anyone else seeing 
> this problem?
 
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At the risk of sounding like an AOLer: 

    Me too!

Also in the same time frame as you report.

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Re: InvisibleShield discounts!

[Stroller]

On 23 Jul 2008, at 13:04, Sven Klomp wrote:

> On Wednesday 23 July 2008 13:55:33 Mikko Rauhala wrote:
>> On ke, 2008-07-23 at 13:43 +0200, Bastian Feder wrote:
>>> Take them and use them wisely.
>>> (If you've used one, please write back to community there would  
>>> be no
>>> discount code collision).
>>
>> Meh. Please, when sharing discount codes, take the time to dish  
>> them out
>> yourself privately. The community list is stuffed enough as it is,  
>> and
>> throwing around one-use codes and notes about them being used  
>> publically
>> is somewhat superfluous.
>
> Or setting up a Wiki page. If someone uses that code, he can  
> directly remove
> it from the page...

Someone has done this today:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Zagg_Protection_Discount_Number

When ordering please use the oldest numbers first, taking them from  
the top. When adding numbers please add them to the bottom.

I would be grateful if people could post their numbers to this wiki  
page and no longer clutter the list with them. (But this is only my  
opinion, and I can't make you do so!)

If you're starting a new thread about the Zagg invisibleSHIELD then I  
would be grateful if you could post the link to this wiki page so  
that it gets widely publicised.

Stroller.


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Problem upgrading ncurses

[Dale Schumacher]

Going through my daily ritual of update and upgrade, I've been having
trouble with ncurses.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /proc/version
Linux version 2.6.24 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 4.1.2) #1
PREEMPT Tue Jul 22 02:21:01 CEST 2008
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg upgrade
Upgrading ncurses on root from 5.4-r14 to 5.4-r15...
Downloading
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/ncurses_5.4-r15_armv4t.ipk
Collected errors:
 * Package ncurses wants to install file /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5
But that file is already provided by package  * libncurses5

This has persisted for at least the last 24 hours.  Is anyone else seeing
this problem?
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Re: Why is Qtopia much faster?

[Cédric Berger]

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 00:42, Torfinn Ingolfsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> People, this discussion has turned _very_ off topic now.
> Could you all please take further discussion on this subject in a
> place where it is more on topic?
>
> Thank you.


Well not so off topic since we are at a point where choices are made
about what direction development on openmoko will take... (even if
maybe there will be several directions in parallel)
(I mean not only for the OS and base applis, but also for applications
one would want to develop)

It is not so bad that it is clear for everyone what the strengths and
specifics of each choices are.

And even if it is not a new problematic, not everyone is fully aware
of it. And when comes the time to decide to investigate/develop on one
architecture, it is good to fully understand what they imply. Better
than only deciding on, say, the look of existing applications.

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Re: strange problem with Intenso 4GB SDHC card

[Doug Jones]

Stefan Fröbe wrote:
> Thanks for the link, seems to be quite valuable to me as it explains the 
> background quite well!
> 
> Something similar has been happening with SD cards on the OLPC laptop
> (another example of hardware specifically designed for the FOSS world)
> for at least the last six months.  Last time I checked, there was still
> no real fix.  
> 
>  
> Well, from recent comments it looks like a 400ms delay (yuck!) in
> drivers/mmc/core/sd.c is a temporary workaround, but the root cause (as 
> Andy already suggested) seems to be related to the resume cycle.
> 
> Has been a major pain for people who want to multiboot  --
>  forces them to use storage devices that don't fit inside the case.
> 
> http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6532
> 
>  
> At least it doesn't look like a HW issue with the card, then.
> 
> Stefan


Just spent some time looking at that bug ticket again.  I've been trying 
to follow this story ever since my OLPC trashed the partition table on 
my 16GB SDHC card back in January.

A consensus seems to be building that suspend/resume is involved.  But I 
don't think anybody really understands what's going on, and people have 
been bashing their heads against this again and again for six months.

If something like this is happening in the Neo, then this could turn 
into a world of hurt.


Recommendation:


Everybody, get a Micro-SD card and stick it in your Neo.  Put some 
random files on it, you don't have to do anything serious with it, just 
let it sit in there for a while.  Periodically check that you can still 
see those files.  If you lose those files, post about it.  Maybe we 
should start a new thread to keep track of this data.

There have been some indications that partition type may have some 
effect on this problem on the OLPC.  So, shrink the default vfat 
partition that came on the card and put an ext3 on there too.  If you 
want to be adventurous, try some other types.

If more people start seeing problems like this, we ought to start 
comparing notes with the OLPC people who are working on this.  And 
Pierre Ossman too, he did a lot of work on SD support in the kernel.


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Re: Terminal for ASU

[The Rasterman]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:01:15 +0100 Michael Sheldon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:

> Dale Schumacher wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 4:40 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > 
> > edje_decc (from edj-utils) the illume.edj file (enligtenment theme
> > installed
> > in /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes). in the directory find the
> > .edc file -
> > edit. search for a comment string "don't look at me".  here are 3 of
> > them.
> > notice the line above i the same entry - just commented out with a
> > different
> > value. comment out the line with the "don't look at me" comment and
> > UNCOMMENT
> > the line above. you'll get a keyboard button. rebuild the file
> > (build.sh or
> > edje_cc file.edc) and copy the .edj file back on top of the
> > original... restart
> > E (killall -HUP enlightenment will do the job - along with a dozen other
> > mechanisms... all but 1 disabled). :)
> > 
> > 
> > ...and then post the results somewhere the user community can get it.
> 
> http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/illume.edj
> 
> This restores the button for me, but I'm in the same situation as a few 
> other people whereby the keyboard doesn't appear under any 
> circumstances, whether triggered by an entry field or by pressing the 
> restored "qwerty" button.

thats because the keyboard that is internal is currently turned off in code -
you require an external one (matchbox qwerty and multitap will work - and
qtopia now provides one).

-- 
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

[Andy Green]

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| <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
|
| That's right, to start Freerunner needs a battery in and the battery
| needs some decent charge left in it, for the reason briefly during
| startup it needs to eat more current that it is allowed via USB.  It
| causes a "brownout" at that time since the USB current limit does its
| job well, it chokes and restarts repeatedly.
|
|
| Does the latest u-boot
|
<http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080723/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr6+ba029a1426bfca169572bf80d50a8b190a6b0e19-r0.bin>

| contain the start-up current limiting code that keeps <100mA during
| boot?  If so, does that mean we should be able to boot from USB power
only?

It looks like it does have those patches in, but this "brownout" problem
is coming before the CPU gets started even, so they don't help.

Those patches are aimed at even allowing us to run with 100mA USB
current limit.  Other problems we didn't solve yet will also conspire
against not having a battery in there in U-Boot and kernel, so I can
just say "you need a battery in Freerunner".

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Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

[Dale Schumacher]

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That's right, to start Freerunner needs a battery in and the battery
> needs some decent charge left in it, for the reason briefly during
> startup it needs to eat more current that it is allowed via USB.  It
> causes a "brownout" at that time since the USB current limit does its
> job well, it chokes and restarts repeatedly.
>

Does the latest u-boot <
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200807/20080723/u-boot-gta02v5-1.3.1+gitr6+ba029a1426bfca169572bf80d50a8b190a6b0e19-r0.bin>
contain the start-up current limiting code that keeps <100mA during boot?
If so, does that mean we should be able to boot from USB power only?
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Re: New Freerunner, factory image - "Registering..."

[Michael Shiloh]

arne anka wrote:
>> I'll work on it and report back.  Are we compiling a database of which
>> SIMs work, which don't and which need to be fooled with a little?
> 
> 
> what we came up with until now was:
> 3g (umts) sim with 1.8V are known to fail. om is working to fix that.

The database is at

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards

I'd like to add a column indicating voltage. How do you determine this? 
(I.e. is it listed somewhere or do you recognize model number or do you 
possess secret industry secrets?)

Michael

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Re: Terminal for ASU

[Michael Sheldon]

Dale Schumacher wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 4:40 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> 
> edje_decc (from edj-utils) the illume.edj file (enligtenment theme
> installed
> in /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes). in the directory find the
> .edc file -
> edit. search for a comment string "don't look at me".  here are 3 of
> them.
> notice the line above i the same entry - just commented out with a
> different
> value. comment out the line with the "don't look at me" comment and
> UNCOMMENT
> the line above. you'll get a keyboard button. rebuild the file
> (build.sh or
> edje_cc file.edc) and copy the .edj file back on top of the
> original... restart
> E (killall -HUP enlightenment will do the job - along with a dozen other
> mechanisms... all but 1 disabled). :)
> 
> 
> ...and then post the results somewhere the user community can get it.

http://www.mikeasoft.com/~mike/illume.edj

This restores the button for me, but I'm in the same situation as a few 
other people whereby the keyboard doesn't appear under any 
circumstances, whether triggered by an entry field or by pressing the 
restored "qwerty" button.

Cheers,
  Mike.

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Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[Michael Shiloh]

Stroller wrote:
> 
> On 23 Jul 2008, at 22:55, Michael Shiloh wrote:
> 
>> Brenda has set up a wiki page to list these problem cards
>>
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unalbe_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards
>>
>> (Roh, is it problematic to fix that spelling error?)
>>
>> Michael
> 
> If you mean the misspelling of "unalbe" then the page was already moved 
> some days ago:
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards
> 
> If you're accessing the page via the misspelled link (as quoted in your 
> post above) then the page simply redirects to the correctly-spelled URL.
> 
> On my browser the misspelling persists in the browser's address bar, but 
> if you click on the "edit" link then you'll see that you're editing the 
> correctly-spelled version of the page (and if, from the "edit" page you 
> click on the "page" tab then it takes you back to the correctly-spelled 
> URL).


Yes, that's exactly what's happening. Thanks!

So why aren't we seeing in the table all the 3G cards we heard about on 
the list a few weeks ago?

M

M

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Re: Terminal for ASU

[Dale Schumacher]

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 4:40 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> edje_decc (from edj-utils) the illume.edj file (enligtenment theme
> installed
> in /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes). in the directory find the .edc
> file -
> edit. search for a comment string "don't look at me".  here are 3 of them.
> notice the line above i the same entry - just commented out with a
> different
> value. comment out the line with the "don't look at me" comment and
> UNCOMMENT
> the line above. you'll get a keyboard button. rebuild the file (build.sh or
> edje_cc file.edc) and copy the .edj file back on top of the original...
> restart
> E (killall -HUP enlightenment will do the job - along with a dozen other
> mechanisms... all but 1 disabled). :)
>

...and then post the results somewhere the user community can get it.
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Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| I also tried 2) and can confirm this. It sounds like it tries to power on,
| but does not have enough power. I think it is not so strange, since the
| charger cannot provide enough current. Remember that the PSU tries
| to power on everything at once, so you basically get the spikes from
| all the components at once.
|
| I think this was mentioned before. IIRC, the problem is that it is not
| possible to tell the PSU not to power on everything at the same time.

That's right, to start Freerunner needs a battery in and the battery
needs some decent charge left in it, for the reason briefly during
startup it needs to eat more current that it is allowed via USB.  It
causes a "brownout" at that time since the USB current limit does its
job well, it chokes and restarts repeatedly.

The source of that clicking noise is pretty amusing.  I spent days
trying to figure out where it came from.  I removed the mic and the
other transducers.  It's actually the ceramic caps we use, the ones that
get a high change in current during these events flex because the stuff
they are made of is piezoelectric.  If you press certain caps gently
with a probe the noise gets louder as it conducts the twitch to the PCB
better then.

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Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[Stroller]

On 23 Jul 2008, at 22:55, Michael Shiloh wrote:

> Brenda has set up a wiki page to list these problem cards
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ 
> FreeRunner_unalbe_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards
>
> (Roh, is it problematic to fix that spelling error?)
>
> Michael

If you mean the misspelling of "unalbe" then the page was already  
moved some days ago:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ 
FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards

If you're accessing the page via the misspelled link (as quoted in  
your post above) then the page simply redirects to the correctly- 
spelled URL.

On my browser the misspelling persists in the browser's address bar,  
but if you click on the "edit" link then you'll see that you're  
editing the correctly-spelled version of the page (and if, from the  
"edit" page you click on the "page" tab then it takes you back to the  
correctly-spelled URL).

Stroller.
  

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Re: strange problem with Intenso 4GB SDHC card

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Thanks for the link, seems to be quite valuable to me as it explains the
| background quite well!
|
| Something similar has been happening with SD cards on the OLPC laptop
| (another example of hardware specifically designed for the FOSS world)
| for at least the last six months.  Last time I checked, there was
still
| no real fix.
|
|
| Well, from recent comments it looks like a 400ms delay (yuck!) in
| drivers/mmc/core/sd.c is a temporary workaround, but the root cause (as
| Andy already suggested) seems to be related to the resume cycle.
|
| Has been a major pain for people who want to multiboot  --
|  forces them to use storage devices that don't fit inside the case.
|
| http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6532
|
|
| At least it doesn't look like a HW issue with the card, then.

Yes when we originally had this problem I found OLPC had it and indeed
Eee PC at that time.  What "cured" it for us was removing the low level
debug config option in the kernel, but that really is all about changing
timing too.

There's another complicated problem that can be related about the
relationship between the PMU and the Glamo.  The PMU device is only
created really late in boot because it is on I2C bus.  That means it is
suspended very early in suspend, yanking a lot of power rails (including
the CPU core power!  But it goes on long enough from caps) before the
MMC stack has a chance to talk to the card and close it down gently.

Although suspend / resume has been acting well these last weeks it is
fragile and we'll be doing a lot more work on it.

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Re: Why is Qtopia much faster?

[Torfinn Ingolfsen]

Hello,

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 12:21 AM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> By releasing something that allows closed source linking, you are restricting 
> your users rights to
> recompile all the software. How is that giving your users more rights?
> If you don't like free software, why the heck are you developing for a 'free 
> your phone' phone?
>
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-not-lgpl.html

People, this discussion has turned _very_ off topic now.
Could you all please take further discussion on this subject in a
place where it is more on topic?

Thank you.
-- 
Regards,
Torfinn Ingolfsen

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Re: Why is Qtopia much faster?

[The Rasterman]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:21:21 +1000 Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:

> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:42:19 +1000 Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > babbled:
> > 
> >> Holger Freyther wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday 23 July 2008 01:38:35 Lorn Potter wrote:
> >>>
> > i never mentioned commercial apps nor money.
>  Yes you did. "pay for a license' implies both money and you needing a
>  commercial license, which implies you intend on producing closed source
>  applications.
> >>> maybe he just wants commercial support? So that someone looks at the
> >>> patches he sends?
> >> Neuros uses the GPL license and has a support package.
> >>
> >> and we do look at patches you send.
> > 
> > again - i said nothing of a closed or commercial app and charging for it -
> > is said that i would HAVE to pay a license fee to get qt under a license
> > OTHER than GPL so *I* can release my software under a non-GPL infested
> > license (eg MIT-X11, BSD, etc. etc.). my point being that not all type of
> > open are the same
> > - and people prefer different levels of freedom and openness. i prefer to
> > give my users more freedom of choice than you give yours. thuds my choice
> > would always be to not use qt as it would restrict my freedoms to only be
> > the kind of freedom you want, and in turn restrict my users too.
> > 
> 
> By releasing something that allows closed source linking, you are restricting
> your users rights to recompile all the software. How is that giving your
> users more rights? If you don't like free software, why the heck are you

as i said - YOU subscribe to one kind of freedom - i subscribe to another. mine
allows a developer to create a closed application or library if they want to -
that gives them freedom. THIS app and THIS library now cannot be considered
open. but i do not begrudge them the freedom to do so.

i very much align myself with Voltaire - not RMS.

"I disagree with what you have to say but will fight to the death to protect
your right to say it".

or in software terms:

"I disagree with you making your software that uses mine closed source, but I
will fight to the death to protect your right to do so".

I believe in true freedom - and true freedom does NOT impose someone elses
ideas of freedom on others. That is what I believe.

So in the case of a closed app or lib built on top - well then, it is still the
choice of a user to not use that app or library, but i sure am not going to
force a particular brand of open (GPL in this case) down the throats of people.
LGPL is definitely acceptable. as is BSD, MIT-X11 as the limitations of the
license do not virally spread beyond the boundaries of the actual piece of
software released and licensed under it. :)

-- 
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Re: strange problem with Intenso 4GB SDHC card

[Stefan Fröbe]

Thanks for the link, seems to be quite valuable to me as it explains the
background quite well!

Something similar has been happening with SD cards on the OLPC laptop
> (another example of hardware specifically designed for the FOSS world)
> for at least the last six months.  Last time I checked, there was still
> no real fix.


Well, from recent comments it looks like a 400ms delay (yuck!) in
drivers/mmc/core/sd.c is a temporary workaround, but the root cause (as Andy
already suggested) seems to be related to the resume cycle.

Has been a major pain for people who want to multiboot  --
>  forces them to use storage devices that don't fit inside the case.
>
> http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6532


At least it doesn't look like a HW issue with the card, then.

Stefan
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Re: FreeBSD / dfu-util

[Torfinn Ingolfsen]

Hello,

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> have you got libusb somewhere?  OSX needs it too, btw ..

libusb is available in ports on FreeBSD: http://www.freshports.org/devel/libusb/


HTH
-- 
Regards,
Torfinn Ingolfsen

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Re: Operation without battery (GTA02) / sysfs wiki page

[Michael Shiloh]

Andy Green wrote:
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> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> 
> | | Is there a Wiki page or docs that explain what each register is and
> | the units it refers to?
> | | especially in the .../power_supply/bat/... area which seems to have
> | very pertinent information.
> |
> | I think I will start one.  There's some real gold down the /sys mine if
> | you are interested in meddling.
> 
> I made a start on documenting the more interesting /sys files here:
> 
> ~ http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs

Excellent. Much needed. THanks!

M

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Re: Why is Qtopia much faster?

[Lorn Potter]

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:42:19 +1000 Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> 
>> Holger Freyther wrote:
>>> On Wednesday 23 July 2008 01:38:35 Lorn Potter wrote:
>>>
> i never mentioned commercial apps nor money.
 Yes you did. "pay for a license' implies both money and you needing a
 commercial license, which implies you intend on producing closed source
 applications.
>>> maybe he just wants commercial support? So that someone looks at the
>>> patches he sends?
>> Neuros uses the GPL license and has a support package.
>>
>> and we do look at patches you send.
> 
> again - i said nothing of a closed or commercial app and charging for it - is
> said that i would HAVE to pay a license fee to get qt under a license OTHER
> than GPL so *I* can release my software under a non-GPL infested license (eg
> MIT-X11, BSD, etc. etc.). my point being that not all type of open are the 
> same
> - and people prefer different levels of freedom and openness. i prefer to give
> my users more freedom of choice than you give yours. thuds my choice would
> always be to not use qt as it would restrict my freedoms to only be the kind 
> of
> freedom you want, and in turn restrict my users too.
> 

By releasing something that allows closed source linking, you are restricting 
your users rights to 
recompile all the software. How is that giving your users more rights?
If you don't like free software, why the heck are you developing for a 'free 
your phone' phone?

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-not-lgpl.html



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Re: strange problem with Intenso 4GB SDHC card

[Matt Luzum]

Andy Green wrote:
> There's a race of some kind in suspend / resume that can do this, the
> signature effect of it is on resume your device comes back as mmcblk1
> and the logical filesystem in memory is corrupted.  We didn't see this
> for a long time though.  Maybe keep an eye out for such shenanigans on
> resume.

I just thought I'd mention that I had a similar thing happen.  Three 
times in the past couple days, my 8 GB A-Data microSDHC card somehow 
seemed to have its partition table deleted.  No partitions would show up 
on my card anyway, although I could make new partitions and read and 
write from them with a card reader.  I haven't had time to investigate 
more thoroughly, so I don't know whether it happens on resume or if it 
only happens when I'm doing something in particular.  I've had the 
original half gig card in there since yesterday and it hasn't had any 
problems, even though the SDHC card previously had problems several 
times in short order, so there might be some difference there.

Sorry I can't be of more help with specifics, but I can confirm that 
there's someone else having this problem.

Matt


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Re: strange problem with Intenso 4GB SDHC card

[Doug Jones]

Stefan Fröbe wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> just a quick observation from my side that could possibly be related:
> Until yesterday, my 4GB SanDisk card worked fine with a recent (e.g. 
> 2008-07-22 or 21) kernel - after an opkg upgrade this morning that got 
> me a new kernel I was surprised to see the card not beeing recognized 
> anymore - furthermore, its MBR was zeroed out, and no tool could read or 
> reformat it except a SD-Card recovery tool by Panasonic ( sdfv2003.exe 
> running only under Windows, of course ) !
> 
> I now backup'ed the partition table and mbrs in hope to be able to dd it 
> back, should this happen again. Sorry, but I haven't got any logs as I 
> was busy recovering what was left, but I'll surly save them next time ...
> 
> Stefan
> 
> uname -a
> Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jul 23 06:34:19 CEST 2008 armv4tl 
> unknown


Not sure if this is connected with what you are seeing, but...

Something similar has been happening with SD cards on the OLPC laptop 
(another example of hardware specifically designed for the FOSS world) 
for at least the last six months.  Last time I checked, there was still 
no real fix.  Has been a major pain for people who want to multiboot  -- 
  forces them to use storage devices that don't fit inside the case.

http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6532

I am getting the impression that interfacing to SD cards is hard.



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Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show and discuss at LinuxWorld

[Michael Shiloh]

That is a wonderful story. Thanks for sharing!

So, will the baby be named in some way for Openmoko :-)?

Thanks for the great story and the great smile, and best of luck!

Michael



Michele Renda wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> 
> I hope this story will not put you all to smile too much because I don't
> think it merit too much to be discussed at LinuxWorld :)
> 
> I and my girlfriend decided to have a baby. Until now we used a online
> service that was telling us when is the best moment to get it.
> The only problem was that usually we don't have always internet with us,
> expecially when we need.
> 
> So, I decided to write an application for Freerunner that can help us: I
>  *never* wrote an application for Linux. I knew only Java / VB / PHP.
> 
> I watched around and I read that FreeRunner will support Python and
> PyGtk: I decided to use it (gtk) becuase in my desktop I use gnome
> (Ubuntu 8.04 and Fedora 9), and python because seem to be enougth easy.
> I started to write it 3 days ago and now it is almost ready :)
> 
> I think it was a good choose for these reasons:
> 
> 1. I had the possibility to write it using a complete and fully
> documented language ( with google you can solve almost all the problems)
> 
> 2. I can use my application also on my Desktop
> 
> 3. I can use a high level - interpreted language that make programming
> easier (and a bit less clean :)
> 
> I will receive my FreeRunner next week, but for now I am surprised how
> look on Gnome.
> 
> I'd like to release it under GPL. For me was wonderful to know that in
> three days I had the possibility to make my custom application, without
> the need to use a particular language / toolkit, without need to pay a
> lot of money for producer SDK, and to be able to give it to a my friend
> without the need to upload it to a store!
> 
> This for me mean freedom and this is the added value of Openmoko Freerunner.
> 
> 
> Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> Michele,
>>
>> This sounds excellent.
>>
>> I should add for all of you to consider: interesting is not just the 
>> application, but perhaps the ease with which you were able to develop, 
>> the convenience of testing, perhaps simply the inspiration of an open 
>> phone. And the challenges and difficulties as well for that matter.
>>
>> These all make excellent topics for discussion when skeptics ask me 
>> what's so special about Openmoko.
>>
>> So tell me your stories! They are valuable content for my talks.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> Michele Renda wrote:
>> Hi Michael
>>
>> I am just finishing my first application for the Freerunner. It is
>> python written and use gtk.
>>
>> Are these toolkits allowed to the "campain"?
>>
>> It is a very simple application, require no connectivity or big
>> resource, but I never saw something like this in a phone.
>>
>> I will give more details in the list when it will be ready
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Re: Sean: Please authorise the release of GTA01 schematics

[Michael Shiloh]

Charles Pax wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:24 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> 
>   He asked for GTA01. WE are giving GTA02.
> 
> 
> I look forward to printing them out and rolling around on them.

Be sure to post the video.

M

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Re: strange problem with Intenso 4GB SDHC card

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Hi,
|
| just a quick observation from my side that could possibly be related:
| Until yesterday, my 4GB SanDisk card worked fine with a recent (e.g.
| 2008-07-22 or 21) kernel - after an opkg upgrade this morning that got
| me a new kernel I was surprised to see the card not beeing recognized
| anymore - furthermore, its MBR was zeroed out, and no tool could read or
| reformat it except a SD-Card recovery tool by Panasonic ( sdfv2003.exe
| running only under Windows, of course ) !
|
| I now backup'ed the partition table and mbrs in hope to be able to dd it
| back, should this happen again. Sorry, but I haven't got any logs as I
| was busy recovering what was left, but I'll surly save them next time ...

There's a race of some kind in suspend / resume that can do this, the
signature effect of it is on resume your device comes back as mmcblk1
and the logical filesystem in memory is corrupted.  We didn't see this
for a long time though.  Maybe keep an eye out for such shenanigans on
resume.

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Re: strange problem with Intenso 4GB SDHC card

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Hi Andy,
|
| thanks for the quick reply.
|
| Andy Green schrieb:
|> | mmc0: new high speed SDHC card at address b368
|> | mmcblk0: mmc0:b368 SD3931136KiB
|> |  mmcblk0:<6>glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8310
|> | mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
|>
|> This first real error is ETIMEDOUT.  It can be a genuine timeout because
|> your card is a bit slow, but it could also mean communication problems.
| Not really good timing would probably be a good guess since "Intenso" is
| a low cost brand around here (germany).

I found that the timeout code doesn't take care if the MMC stack asks it
for a bigger timeout than it can handle in Glamo hardware, also another
unlikely issue to do with giving enough clocks after powerup I will make
patches for tonight.

|> | 2) I can trick it to work doing the following steps:
|> |- re-set it to this (or possibly any other) value
|> |  >[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# echo 0 >
|> /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_drive
| Thanks for your guidance. It's _not_ the sd_drive parameter.
|
| It's actually just waiting for about 1-2min. After that the device is
| readily accessible. (Need to force a re-read of the partition table to
| mount though.)
|
| Anyways I made sure that the data I wrote to the card yesterday is still
| OK (md5sum) - although it's only around 1MB. I can do more tests
tomorrow...

Thanks, these kind of issues are obviously pretty interesting right now.

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Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?

[Michael Shiloh]

Brenda has set up a wiki page to list these problem cards

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unalbe_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards

(Roh, is it problematic to fix that spelling error?)

Michael

steve wrote:
> Ah,
> 
>  perhaps the best approach then would be a line up of known criminals.
> 
>  That is a gallery ( pictures etc) of SIM cards that are known to misbehave 
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Joachim Steiger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 5:18 PM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Cc: Michael Shiloh; Brenda Wang; steve; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
> 
> steve wrote:
>> Michael and Brenda.  I want a Page on the wiki showing which carriers 
>> have issues,  a table by country by carrier.
> 
> hi steve, michael, brenda, community.
> 
> that does not make real sense.
> the issues we are seeing with some sim-cards are not carrier-related, but
> related to which specific model of sim-card they bought.
> 
> currently it seems that old gemplus sim-cards have this issue, but we need
> more people with and without problems to submit pictures of the contact-side
> if the sim.
> the only universal way we currently have to identify which manufacturer and
> model the sim really is, is to have a scan/sharp photo.
> the numbers on it are not unified and thus cannot be universally used to
> look up which type it is.
> also carriers tend to have multiple types of sim in use over the years and
> also switch manufacturers from time to time.
> 
> see the attached pictures on ticket 666
> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/666
> 
> at the moment i am not yet sure if we have a electrical or mechanical
> problem, but the current state from my point of view is: 'some type of
> gemplus simcards (the 2 different types with round edges/ contact
> plates) give trouble/do not work.
> 
>> This is vital for solving those cases where folks have problems and 
>> for advising people prior to purchase.
> 
> indeed. also this needs more samples of which sims work and not work to
> finally know whats going on and what to tell people to do as workaround.
> 
> so please do a shot like this:
> 
> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/666/sim1.jpg
> 
> sharp, contact side. label the file as 'sim working' or 'sim notworking'
> and attach it to this ticket in the wiki.
> 
> also would be nice to have some comment about which carrier, and when it was
> given out, if you think its a '3g sim' and, if you want, the numbers on it.
> but thats 'cream on top', not essential, since this is a carrier-independant
> problem it seems.
> 
> kind regards.
> 
> 
> ps: because it seems a often asked question:
> the numbers of the sim are not directly 'secret' or need to be kept
> confidential.
> one cannot clone or locate your sim/phone with knowledge of these.
> only the carrier who gave the sim out could identify or duplicate the sim,
> and would not need the numbers on the original for that because that
> information which one could look up is in their databases already.
> so no harm done by having them in a photo.
> 
> 

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Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

[Flemming Richter Mikkelsen]

On 2008-07-23, Yorick Moko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i can reproduce "2"
> but i won't do it again :)
>
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Alexey Feldgendler
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have two 100% reproducible issues with my GTA02.
> >
> > 1. When running with the battery in (charged enough) and a USB cable
> > plugged into a computer, removing the battery makes the phone die. It
> > seems to turn off several seconds after the battery is removed. If the
> > battery is replaced quickly enough, the phone doesn't turn off. While the
> > battery is disconnected, some things still run and some seem to stop; e.g.
> > the GPS chip stops sending NMEA sentences but continues doing so when the
> > battery is put back.
> >
> > 2. When the phone is off with no battery in it, plugging the USB cable
> > connected to a computer makes the phone emit a buzzing noise. The noise
> > continues until the cable is disconnected. The phone won't start up in
> > this state, not even in the NOR menu. I remember a similar issue in GTA01,
> > but GTA02 was supposed to work without a battery.
> >
> > Can anybody reproduce?
I also tried 2) and can confirm this. It sounds like it tries to power on,
but does not have enough power. I think it is not so strange, since the
charger cannot provide enough current. Remember that the PSU tries
to power on everything at once, so you basically get the spikes from
all the components at once.

I think this was mentioned before. IIRC, the problem is that it is not
possible to tell the PSU not to power on everything at the same time.

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Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show and discuss at LinuxWorld

[Michele Renda]

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I hope this story will not put you all to smile too much because I don't
think it merit too much to be discussed at LinuxWorld :)

I and my girlfriend decided to have a baby. Until now we used a online
service that was telling us when is the best moment to get it.
The only problem was that usually we don't have always internet with us,
expecially when we need.

So, I decided to write an application for Freerunner that can help us: I
 *never* wrote an application for Linux. I knew only Java / VB / PHP.

I watched around and I read that FreeRunner will support Python and
PyGtk: I decided to use it (gtk) becuase in my desktop I use gnome
(Ubuntu 8.04 and Fedora 9), and python because seem to be enougth easy.
I started to write it 3 days ago and now it is almost ready :)

I think it was a good choose for these reasons:

1. I had the possibility to write it using a complete and fully
documented language ( with google you can solve almost all the problems)

2. I can use my application also on my Desktop

3. I can use a high level - interpreted language that make programming
easier (and a bit less clean :)

I will receive my FreeRunner next week, but for now I am surprised how
look on Gnome.

I'd like to release it under GPL. For me was wonderful to know that in
three days I had the possibility to make my custom application, without
the need to use a particular language / toolkit, without need to pay a
lot of money for producer SDK, and to be able to give it to a my friend
without the need to upload it to a store!

This for me mean freedom and this is the added value of Openmoko Freerunner.


Michael Shiloh wrote:
> Michele,
> 
> This sounds excellent.
> 
> I should add for all of you to consider: interesting is not just the 
> application, but perhaps the ease with which you were able to develop, 
> the convenience of testing, perhaps simply the inspiration of an open 
> phone. And the challenges and difficulties as well for that matter.
> 
> These all make excellent topics for discussion when skeptics ask me 
> what's so special about Openmoko.
> 
> So tell me your stories! They are valuable content for my talks.
> 
> Michael
> 
> Michele Renda wrote:
> Hi Michael
> 
> I am just finishing my first application for the Freerunner. It is
> python written and use gtk.
> 
> Are these toolkits allowed to the "campain"?
> 
> It is a very simple application, require no connectivity or big
> resource, but I never saw something like this in a phone.
> 
> I will give more details in the list when it will be ready
>>
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Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

[Yorick Moko]

i can reproduce "2"
but i won't do it again :)

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Alexey Feldgendler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have two 100% reproducible issues with my GTA02.
>
> 1. When running with the battery in (charged enough) and a USB cable
> plugged into a computer, removing the battery makes the phone die. It
> seems to turn off several seconds after the battery is removed. If the
> battery is replaced quickly enough, the phone doesn't turn off. While the
> battery is disconnected, some things still run and some seem to stop; e.g.
> the GPS chip stops sending NMEA sentences but continues doing so when the
> battery is put back.
>
> 2. When the phone is off with no battery in it, plugging the USB cable
> connected to a computer makes the phone emit a buzzing noise. The noise
> continues until the cable is disconnected. The phone won't start up in
> this state, not even in the NOR menu. I remember a similar issue in GTA01,
> but GTA02 was supposed to work without a battery.
>
> Can anybody reproduce?
>
>
> --
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> [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com
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Re: Terminal for ASU

[The Rasterman]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:54:49 -0700 Ken Restivo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:

> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:16:22PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> > 
> > > IMO it's crazy for you (the senior developer to ASU? you're surely  
> > > the most active?) to have his hands tied by these shadowy "designers"  
> > > who can interfere apparently on a whim. Especially when they're  
> > > coming up with crazy decisions that are technically poor!!
> > 
> > welcome to openmoko. i get paid to program. i am not a designer (as i have
> > been told) and thus am not qualified to make decisions there (so i have been
> > informed). i am paid to program. so that is what i will do.
> >
> 
> If you've been mismanaged/micromanaged so badly that you've had to adopt what
> Neitzche called the "Sklavmoral"-- or  "I'm not paid to think, I'm only paid
> to wash the floors"-- attitude in order to survive, it doesn't bode well for
> OpenMoko.
> 
> In any case, you're doing great work, so "illigitimum non carborundum".  I
> can't tell you how delighted I was when I saw the "qwerty" button suddenly
> appear after doing an opkg upgrade! And the ability to choose different
> keyboard layouts from a pop-up menu was great. I thought to myself, "now THIS
> is a well-managed project, critical features that I need are being added
> without even asking for them, and the progress is daily!". And now of course
> it is gone.

sorry to give false hope - that was just me... doing things... things slipped
through - i enable the button so i can do debugging and play with the keyboard
without having to go run or write special apps (i also have a special app to
test auto-keyboard hint properties too - but that's another matter). :) i
actually don't really intend for a lot of he current ugly guts of kbd changes
to be seen as well - it's all a work in progress, but the illume keyboard now
has everything except:

1. actual dictionary lookup + correction. (got the infra - just missing the
dict bit).
2. the ability to either enable or disable it and optionally run another
keyboard app (illume's keyboard won't always be what you want. it's really
meant to be the no-frills "really efficient" keyboard that comes for free (so to
speak) with your desktop env at very little overhead). it likely will never do
handwriting recognition or try emulate dasher... or many things, but for a
basic nuts and bolts inputs mechanism that is easily extended by users with new
layouts and gets the job done, its here and comes for "free" (as such if the
keyboard is never shown the code is never paged in and it uses no memory
resources. even if used - code is dynamically paged, so its paged out again when
not used).

> Can someone please document what hack is necessary to add that button back
> in? And, yes, if anyone wants to please fork the necessary package, I will
> subscribe to that feed instead, because the ability to use an on-screen
> keyboard on a Linux phone is a must-have for me. The Illume keyboard with
> Full-QWERTY is excellent and I love it. I need to be able to launch it
> manually in order to use it with Minimo and openmoko-terminal2-- the two apps
> I purchased the phone to use.

unfortunately you're out of luck. people who pay me want qtopia's keyboard -
and so they shall get it. illume's internal keyboard is/will be disabled. i
haven't had time to make any way to enable illume's internal one by config yet.

> If some more "elegant" method is designed later on, and works, I'll switch to
> it. But for now I need a working keyboard in the terminal, and web browser,
> and all the other apps.
> 
> I'm sure all this will get sorted out eventually, and rough going like this
> is normal in the early days, so no big deal.

edje_decc (from edj-utils) the illume.edj file (enligtenment theme installed
in /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes). in the directory find the .edc file -
edit. search for a comment string "don't look at me".  here are 3 of them.
notice the line above i the same entry - just commented out with a different
value. comment out the line with the "don't look at me" comment and UNCOMMENT
the line above. you'll get a keyboard button. rebuild the file (build.sh or
edje_cc file.edc) and copy the .edj file back on top of the original... restart
E (killall -HUP enlightenment will do the job - along with a dozen other
mechanisms... all but 1 disabled). :)

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Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

[Charles-Henri Gros]

Andy Green wrote:
> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> |> And temp in 0.25 Kelvin
> |> steps --> Celcius in 0.1 steps.  But this is basically scaling up
> |> operation and you see otherwise unmassaged data.
> |
> | ?
> | 1K step = 1 degree Celsius step
> 
> "Scaling up operation" refers to the sentence before that you snipped:
> 
> ''Some of the coulomb counter data is actually directly provided in very
> funny units relative to a sense resistor outside the chip (20mR in our
> case), the driver does the recommended computation and normalizes them
> to uV and uA as required by power_supply APIs.''

So this is not saying that a .25K step is a .1C step?

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Re: ANNOUNCE: Software equalizer for openmoko

[Russell Sears]

Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> Am Mittwoch 23 Juli 2008 09:11:20 schrieb Russell Sears:
>> I've modified gst-plugin-equalizer to use fixed-point arithmetic.  This
>> means that it's (barely) fast enough to provide bass, midrange and
>> treble control for ogg files played back via alsa.
>>
>> Here's a link to binaries (compiled for the factory image) and the patch:
>>
>> http://hedora.ath.cx/moko/
> 
> Amazing work. I'll add this to OpenEmbedded, so all platforms will get the 
> benefits.
> 

Please do, but wait a few days; I want to test it with a real music 
player, fix comments, etc.

> Since you already took a look into GStreamer, could you check why ogg is
> taking so many resources? Do we use vorbis/tremor or not? Is there any chance 
> for a speedup?

I'm working on it.  We're using tremor, but there are some things that 
might help it, in the order I'd like to try them:

- LOW_MEM branch, which reduces memory utilization (and perhaps cache 
misses).
- Tremolo, which is a branch of tremor which gives up on portability and 
targets ARM.  It incorporates the LOW_MEM changes.  The author claims a 
15-20% speed improvement.
- _LOW_ACCURACY_ flag, which can flip a few of the least significant 
bits but is faster.

-Rusty


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Re: Public build host (proposal)

[John Mark Walker]

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Yorick Moko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> by "gratis" he means "without cost"
>

Oops... :)  Yes, I mean "free as in beer."


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Re: Public build host (proposal)

[Yorick Moko]

by "gratis" he means "without cost"

y

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:04 PM, John Mark Walker
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:59 AM, John Mark Walker
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> greetings,
>>
>> collabnet, my employer, might be willing to provide cubit, a
>> virtualized build and environment. if you're interested, I can ask.
>>
>> -john mark walker
>> opencollabnet community manager
>
>
> I should note that I would request this to be gratis for Openmoko.
>
> -JM
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Re: Why is Qtopia much faster?

[The Rasterman]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:42:19 +1000 Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:

> Holger Freyther wrote:
> > On Wednesday 23 July 2008 01:38:35 Lorn Potter wrote:
> > 
> >>> i never mentioned commercial apps nor money.
> >> Yes you did. "pay for a license' implies both money and you needing a
> >> commercial license, which implies you intend on producing closed source
> >> applications.
> > 
> > maybe he just wants commercial support? So that someone looks at the
> > patches he sends?
> 
> Neuros uses the GPL license and has a support package.
> 
> and we do look at patches you send.

again - i said nothing of a closed or commercial app and charging for it - is
said that i would HAVE to pay a license fee to get qt under a license OTHER
than GPL so *I* can release my software under a non-GPL infested license (eg
MIT-X11, BSD, etc. etc.). my point being that not all type of open are the same
- and people prefer different levels of freedom and openness. i prefer to give
my users more freedom of choice than you give yours. thuds my choice would
always be to not use qt as it would restrict my freedoms to only be the kind of
freedom you want, and in turn restrict my users too.

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Re: Official Openmoko Forums

[Leonti]

Finally! That's what I was talking about.
I don't have mail client on my comp, so nabble is a really cool thing for
me! :-D

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Re: Terminal for ASU

[David Samblas]

Ken, I think you have read my mind , translate it to english, and post
in the list, well maybe the latin sentences and references to kant are
replaced by basic complain :) 
El mié, 23-07-2008 a las 13:54 -0700, Ken Restivo escribió:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:16:22PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> > 
> > > IMO it's crazy for you (the senior developer to ASU? you're surely  
> > > the most active?) to have his hands tied by these shadowy "designers"  
> > > who can interfere apparently on a whim. Especially when they're  
> > > coming up with crazy decisions that are technically poor!!
> > 
> > welcome to openmoko. i get paid to program. i am not a designer (as i have 
> > been
> > told) and thus am not qualified to make decisions there (so i have been
> > informed). i am paid to program. so that is what i will do.
> >
> 
> If you've been mismanaged/micromanaged so badly that you've had to adopt what 
> Neitzche called the "Sklavmoral"-- or  "I'm not paid to think, I'm only paid 
> to wash the floors"-- attitude in order to survive, it doesn't bode well for 
> OpenMoko.
> 
> In any case, you're doing great work, so "illigitimum non carborundum".  I 
> can't tell you how delighted I was when I saw the "qwerty" button suddenly 
> appear after doing an opkg upgrade! And the ability to choose different 
> keyboard layouts from a pop-up menu was great. I thought to myself, "now THIS 
> is a well-managed project, critical features that I need are being added 
> without even asking for them, and the progress is daily!". And now of course 
> it is gone.
> 
> Can someone please document what hack is necessary to add that button back 
> in? And, yes, if anyone wants to please fork the necessary package, I will 
> subscribe to that feed instead, because the ability to use an on-screen 
> keyboard on a Linux phone is a must-have for me. The Illume keyboard with 
> Full-QWERTY is excellent and I love it. I need to be able to launch it 
> manually in order to use it with Minimo and openmoko-terminal2-- the two apps 
> I purchased the phone to use.
> 
> If some more "elegant" method is designed later on, and works, I'll switch to 
> it. But for now I need a working keyboard in the terminal, and web browser, 
> and all the other apps.
> 
> I'm sure all this will get sorted out eventually, and rough going like this 
> is normal in the early days, so no big deal.
> 
> -ken
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Re: strange problem with Intenso 4GB SDHC card

[Stefan Fröbe]

Hi,

just a quick observation from my side that could possibly be related:
Until yesterday, my 4GB SanDisk card worked fine with a recent (e.g.
2008-07-22 or 21) kernel - after an opkg upgrade this morning that got me a
new kernel I was surprised to see the card not beeing recognized anymore -
furthermore, its MBR was zeroed out, and no tool could read or reformat it
except a SD-Card recovery tool by Panasonic ( sdfv2003.exe running only
under Windows, of course ) !

I now backup'ed the partition table and mbrs in hope to be able to dd it
back, should this happen again. Sorry, but I haven't got any logs as I was
busy recovering what was left, but I'll surly save them next time ...

Stefan

uname -a
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Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

[Al Johnson]

On Wednesday 23 July 2008, Yorick Moko wrote:
> i tried to walk with tangogps and sometimes i jumed 1-2 km in a random
> direction and kept drifting
> there were no roads in openstreetmaps for my location, could this influence
> it?

I saw something similar yesterday with tangogps. The red track looked like it 
had been jumping around a lot, but with my indicated location apparently 
fixed a long way back in the route. I didn't have a tile cached for the area 
I had walked into. When I zoomed out to a scale where I did have a tile 
cached it redrew the track, this time following the route I had walked 
without jumping. 

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Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show and discuss at LinuxWorld

[Michael Shiloh]

Michele,

This sounds excellent.

I should add for all of you to consider: interesting is not just the 
application, but perhaps the ease with which you were able to develop, 
the convenience of testing, perhaps simply the inspiration of an open 
phone. And the challenges and difficulties as well for that matter.

These all make excellent topics for discussion when skeptics ask me 
what's so special about Openmoko.

So tell me your stories! They are valuable content for my talks.

Michael

Michele Renda wrote:
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> Hi Michael
> 
> I am just finishing my first application for the Freerunner. It is
> python written and use gtk.
> 
> Are these toolkits allowed to the "campain"?
> 
> It is a very simple application, require no connectivity or big
> resource, but I never saw something like this in a phone.
> 
> I will give more details in the list when it will be ready
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Re: Public build host (proposal)

[John Mark Walker]

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:59 AM, John Mark Walker
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> greetings,
>
> collabnet, my employer, might be willing to provide cubit, a
> virtualized build and environment. if you're interested, I can ask.
>
> -john mark walker
> opencollabnet community manager


I should note that I would request this to be gratis for Openmoko.

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Re: strange problem with Intenso 4GB SDHC card

[David Meder-Marouelli]

Hi Andy,

thanks for the quick reply.

Andy Green schrieb:
> | mmc0: new high speed SDHC card at address b368
> | mmcblk0: mmc0:b368 SD3931136KiB
> |  mmcblk0:<6>glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8310
> | mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
>
> This first real error is ETIMEDOUT.  It can be a genuine timeout because
> your card is a bit slow, but it could also mean communication problems.
Not really good timing would probably be a good guess since "Intenso" is
a low cost brand around here (germany).

> | 2) I can trick it to work doing the following steps:
> |- re-set it to this (or possibly any other) value
> |  >[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# echo 0 >
> /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_drive
Thanks for your guidance. It's _not_ the sd_drive parameter.

It's actually just waiting for about 1-2min. After that the device is
readily accessible. (Need to force a re-read of the partition table to
mount though.)

Anyways I made sure that the data I wrote to the card yesterday is still
OK (md5sum) - although it's only around 1MB. I can do more tests tomorrow...

Cheers,

David



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Re: Terminal for ASU

[Ken Restivo]

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:16:22PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> 
> > IMO it's crazy for you (the senior developer to ASU? you're surely  
> > the most active?) to have his hands tied by these shadowy "designers"  
> > who can interfere apparently on a whim. Especially when they're  
> > coming up with crazy decisions that are technically poor!!
> 
> welcome to openmoko. i get paid to program. i am not a designer (as i have 
> been
> told) and thus am not qualified to make decisions there (so i have been
> informed). i am paid to program. so that is what i will do.
>

If you've been mismanaged/micromanaged so badly that you've had to adopt what 
Neitzche called the "Sklavmoral"-- or  "I'm not paid to think, I'm only paid to 
wash the floors"-- attitude in order to survive, it doesn't bode well for 
OpenMoko.

In any case, you're doing great work, so "illigitimum non carborundum".  I 
can't tell you how delighted I was when I saw the "qwerty" button suddenly 
appear after doing an opkg upgrade! And the ability to choose different 
keyboard layouts from a pop-up menu was great. I thought to myself, "now THIS 
is a well-managed project, critical features that I need are being added 
without even asking for them, and the progress is daily!". And now of course it 
is gone.

Can someone please document what hack is necessary to add that button back in? 
And, yes, if anyone wants to please fork the necessary package, I will 
subscribe to that feed instead, because the ability to use an on-screen 
keyboard on a Linux phone is a must-have for me. The Illume keyboard with 
Full-QWERTY is excellent and I love it. I need to be able to launch it manually 
in order to use it with Minimo and openmoko-terminal2-- the two apps I 
purchased the phone to use.

If some more "elegant" method is designed later on, and works, I'll switch to 
it. But for now I need a working keyboard in the terminal, and web browser, and 
all the other apps.

I'm sure all this will get sorted out eventually, and rough going like this is 
normal in the early days, so no big deal.

-ken

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Re: Import contacts qtopia

[Ole Kliemann]

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 07:46:42PM +0200, Holger Freyther wrote:
> On Friday 18 July 2008 20:32:50 Ole Kliemann wrote:
> > Not sure whether I missed something. I am looking for a way to import
> > VCF into qtopia. I could only find the discussion on this list, which, as
> > far as I understand, covers importing VCF to the GTK addressbook only.
> >
> > There is also a howto on importing Blackberry contacts to qtopia. It
> > could be helpful if one were able to convert VCF to sqlite.
> >
> > Any hints appreciated.
> 
> 
> Unofficial answer (as this is not tested by us... it is the code from 
> trolltech as is so is likely to have issues)
> 
> 1.) copy the the file vcf to the device
> 2.) /opt/Qtopia/bin/addressbook /path/to/vcf-file (will get deleted)
> 3.) GUI makes some stuff... asks you to import..
> 4.) You might need to restart afterwards

This works fine. Thanks! :)

Ole


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Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

[Peter Kraker]

It's more likely you were too slow for Kalman filtering to do its magic.

Peter Kraker

Yorick Moko pravi:

i tried to walk with tangogps and sometimes i jumed 1-2 km in a random
direction and kept drifting
there were no roads in openstreetmaps for my location, could this influence it?

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 7:51 PM, atweb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Hi,

The last 50 Minutes I drived 8 km around with my bike for catch coordinates
for OpenStreetmap.
I was carefully with Tangogps, so only the one Map came from SD-Card but the
Track was written to the Flash.
The Track looks very good.

cu
Markus



steve schrieb:

I have mail from Wolfy indicating that Andy's magic SW fix works.

So, contact AG on this matter.

-Original Message-
From: Michael Shiloh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:58 PM
To: steve
Cc: 'Joerg Reisenweber'; community@lists.openmoko.org; 'C R McClenaghan';
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Andy Green'
Subject: Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

I have not had time to test any. But I could.

M

steve wrote:


Michael do you have any phones that fail GPS test?

-Original Message-
From: Michael Shiloh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:10 PM
To: steve
Cc: 'Joerg Reisenweber'; community@lists.openmoko.org; 'C R
McClenaghan'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Andy Green
Subject: Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

ave ceasar!

steve wrote:


Then I am Rome.

  The SOP needs to be reviewed. Basically, I will need to hear from
jOERG, Werner,
  Micheal, Andy.

  I would like to have micheal test the SOP.

  Then  I can figure out how to offer the repair.


  1. Give people a free repair kit?
  2. work with distributors to do repair.
  3. Host repair PARTIES! Woo hoo. Bring your own soldering iron.
BYOSI



-Original Message-
From: Michael Shiloh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:18 AM
To: Joerg Reisenweber
Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org; steve; C R McClenaghan;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

...and Michael goes to Steve, so all roads lead to Steve.

Expect a reply from Steve very shortly (if he hasn't already done so).

Michael

Joerg Reisenweber wrote:


This should go to Steve and Michael, I guess


Am Fr  18. Juli 2008 schrieb C R McClenaghan:


Tony,

Will OpenMoko offer this repair to Freerunner owners? How and under
what terms?

Chris

On Jul 18, 2008, at 2:28 AM, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote:



Dear Community:

For GTA02 SD card interference GPS issue, our hardware team
provide a hardware fix/workaround for this coexistence bug. Sorry
post it late, because we have to make sure this fix works and
don't have side effects.

Here is the fix:

http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf

This fix could give almost same performance with SD card out of case.

But this work still not suggest do by yourself, also, this fix
need proper size capacitor (10 pf with 0402 package), and some
solder technique.

We saw people ask about service issues of Openmoko devices, and we
are working on it. Our sales discussing with our distributor about
proper services model, but do not have consensus yet, I will keep
update


it.


Thanks,

Tony Tu

Openmoko, Inc.

Support

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Re: Why is Qtopia much faster?

[Lorn Potter]

Holger Freyther wrote:
> On Wednesday 23 July 2008 01:38:35 Lorn Potter wrote:
> 
>>> i never mentioned commercial apps nor money.
>> Yes you did. "pay for a license' implies both money and you needing a
>> commercial license, which implies you intend on producing closed source
>> applications.
> 
> maybe he just wants commercial support? So that someone looks at the patches 
> he sends?

Neuros uses the GPL license and has a support package.

and we do look at patches you send.



-- 
Lorn 'ljp' Potter
Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company

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Re: FreeBSD / dfu-util

[Ben Cadieux]

Thanks for the replies everyone.  Yes, I was booting up; I wasn't
reading carefully enough I guess :( --- but it doesn't really matter
from the looks of it, seeing as how one can't flash from fbsd yet
anyway.

As far as libusb goes, it's in the FreeBSD ports tree (I think it was
devel/libusb)

Best Regards,
Ben Cadieux

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Re: debugging pppd

[Timo Jyrinki]

2008/7/22 Michael Kluge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> OK, found it myself. A different syslog.conf helps.

It also helps calling pppd like pppd debug nodetach call gprs together
with chat scripts being executed with -v -s like at
http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/entry/5 (that didn't work for
me, but the chat script under "GPRS working with SIMYO" topic worked).

-Timo

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Re: strange problem with Intenso 4GB SDHC card

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x120
| glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8120
| glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x120
| glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8120
| glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x120

This bit is normal, it's the Linux MMC / SD stack seeing if it is an
SDIO card.

| glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 1kHz div=2 (req:
| 1kHz). Bus width=2

This bit is a good sign, it was able to complete getting recognized by
the stack and put into 4-bit mode at 16MHz SD_CLK.

| mmc0: new high speed SDHC card at address b368
| mmcblk0: mmc0:b368 SD3931136KiB
|  mmcblk0:<6>glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8310
| mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command

This first real error is ETIMEDOUT.  It can be a genuine timeout because
your card is a bit slow, but it could also mean communication problems.

| 2) I can trick it to work doing the following steps:
|- check sd_drive parameter (not required)
|  >[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_drive
|  >0
|- re-set it to this (or possibly any other) value
|  >[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# echo 0 > /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_drive
|- now the device works fine:

I don't see how that can impact it, none of our code runs when you
change that, it simply gets written to the int that holds sd_drive
behind our back.  And when you catted it, that is the real value of that
int, it doesn't keep a copy somewhere.  Maybe something else in the
threshing around helped.

|  >[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0
|
| Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 4025 MB, 4025483264 bytes
| 126 heads, 61 sectors/track, 1022 cylinders
| Units = cylinders of 7686 * 512 = 3935232 bytes
|
| Device Boot  Start End  Blocks  Id System
| /dev/mmcblk0p1   11022 3927515+ 83 Linux
| ==
|
| A suspend/resume cycle seems to do the trick as well.
| I think that some parameter connected to sd_drive might be uninitialised
| before sd_drive is explicitly rewritten.

I don't see it can be uninitialzed data, it is more likely working or
not working according to its own plan.

Once you formatted it, can you write reliably to it and read stuff back
with same md5sum after umount to flush the cache?

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Re: FreeBSD / dfu-util

[Jay Vaughan]

> Here are the binaries (for both 6.3 and 7.0) I managed to build:
> http://www.heesakkers.info/showandtell/dfu/


have you got libusb somewhere?  OSX needs it too, btw ..

;
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Re: sysfsutils -- the script

[Steven **]

Don't you have access to the wiki?

-Steven

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:03 PM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> somebody with access to the wiki might put the following there ...

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strange problem with Intenso 4GB SDHC card

[David Meder-Marouelli]

Hi,

I observed an interesting phenomenon with my newly bought Intenso 4GB
SDHC card.

While the 512MB card shipped with my Freerunner runs reliably and stable
the new card shows the following behaviour:

1) Errors during boot process:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# dmesg |grep -E "glamo|mmc"
glamo3362 glamo3362.0: Detected Glamo core 3650 Revision 0002
(49119232Hz CPU / 81887232Hz Memory)
glamo3362 glamo3362.0: Glamo core now 49119232Hz CPU / 81887232Hz Memory)
glamo-spi-gpio glamo-spi-gpio.0: registering c0373838: jbt6k74
glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: glamo_mci driver (C)2007 Openmoko, Inc
glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: probe: mapped mci_base:c8864400 irq:0.
glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: glamo_mci_set_ios: power down.
glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: initialisation done.
mmc_set_power(power_mode=1, vdd=20
glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 0kHz div=255 (req: 0kHz).
Bus width=0
glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 195kHz div=255 (req:
195kHz). Bus width=0
glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 195kHz div=255 (req:
195kHz). Bus width=0
glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 195kHz div=255 (req:
195kHz). Bus width=0
glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x120
glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8120
glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x120
glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8120
glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x120
glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 195kHz div=255 (req:
195kHz). Bus width=0
glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 195kHz div=255 (req:
195kHz). Bus width=0
glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 195kHz div=255 (req:
195kHz). Bus width=0
glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 195kHz div=255 (req:
195kHz). Bus width=0
glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 195kHz div=255 (req:
195kHz). Bus width=0
glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 1kHz div=2 (req:
1kHz). Bus width=0
glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: powered (vdd = 20) clk: 1kHz div=2 (req:
1kHz). Bus width=2
mmc0: new high speed SDHC card at address b368
mmcblk0: mmc0:b368 SD3931136KiB
 mmcblk0:<6>glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x8310
mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command
end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 0
Buffer I/O error on device mmcblk0, logical block 0
glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x120
glamo-mci glamo-mci.0: Error after cmd: 0x122
mmcblk0: error -84 sending read/write command

[many more of the last few lines following]

2) I can trick it to work doing the following steps:
   - check sd_drive parameter (not required)
 >[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_drive
 >0
   - re-set it to this (or possibly any other) value
 >[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# echo 0 > /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_drive
   - now the device works fine:
 >[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0

Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 4025 MB, 4025483264 bytes
126 heads, 61 sectors/track, 1022 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 7686 * 512 = 3935232 bytes

Device Boot  Start End  Blocks  Id System
/dev/mmcblk0p1   11022 3927515+ 83 Linux
==

A suspend/resume cycle seems to do the trick as well.
I think that some parameter connected to sd_drive might be uninitialised
before sd_drive is explicitly rewritten.

Any ideas?

Cheers,

David



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Re: Max seep of the SD slot?

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| I can see that the MicroSD card is hooked it through the Glamo.
| http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:SimpleComponentDiagram.jpg
| I do not have the data sheets for the Glamo 3362, can some one, who has
| access let me know what the max speed of the Glamo's MicroSD card
| controller is?  looking for MB/s, or something like that.

It's just slightly under 25MHz SD Clock, we round it up and call it 25MHz.

You can read about how to change the clock here:

http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commit;h=ef2376d29e996d9d21a9e5798cb88aa73f734c83

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Re: invisibleSHIELD discount

[Søren Kristiansen]

I have 2 too. Just note that you get 20% discount if you buy 2 shields and
30% if you buy 3 so it might not be worth it to use a code :-)

I ordered 3 (2x full, 1x screen), got 30% off and free shipping


Daniel Wassenberg wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> I just ordered a invisibleSHIELD for my FR and got two discount codes that
> will get you 20% off. Both of them are up for grabs to the first two to
> respond.
> 
> -- Daniel
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Re: Has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the freerunner?

[Adrian Brunton]

I assume the general consensus is that the screen only protector is more
desirable than then full body one? Is the full body one necessary? I'm
worried about it being to rubbery to easily slide into a pocket or
something. I'm also worried that the rubbery texture will make the screen
too hard to use, but I guess something will be needed to protect the screen.

Please let me know you thoughts - especially if you got the full body
protector.

2008/7/23 Brian C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Søren Kristiansen wrote:
> > Hello
> >
> > As the subject says, has anyone tried the invisibleSHIELD on the
> > freerunner?
>
> I received the full-body invisibleSHIELD recently.  I don't have a lot
> of patience for tasks like this, but I found the back cover useful and
> the screen protector good.  The front cover piece is so flimsy that I
> could never get it in the right position and when I came close, to me it
> just made the FreeRunner look horrible, so I took it off.  I never even
> bothered with the side pieces.  I'm going to have to try to re-apply the
> screen piece a few more times because I couldn't get all the air bubbles
> out the first time, so those spots will eventually drive me crazy, but I
> don't think the glare issue is too bad.  I would prefer a little of that
> to a scratched-up screen, anyway.
>
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Re: FreeBSD / dfu-util

[Oliver Heesakkers]

Op Tuesday 22 July 2008 19:45:20 schreef Ben Cadieux:
> I notice some comments in there with regards to FBSD, so maybe it does
> work and I'm screwing something up :)
>

Here are the binaries (for both 6.3 and 7.0) I managed to build:

http://www.heesakkers.info/showandtell/dfu/

They manage to list the device, but not flash the device, because dfu-util 
needs to call usb_reset, which isn't implemented on BSD. I posted a question 
on freebsd-usb about this and the only response so far is:

"The official USB stack has no IOCTL for this. What you can do is to turn off 
the port power on the HUB manually, using an USB control request."
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-usb/2008-July/005212.html

I don't know how to hack this properly. Simply removing the usb_reset call did 
not work (naturally).

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Max seep of the SD slot?

[Adam Talbot]

I can see that the MicroSD card is hooked it through the Glamo.  
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:SimpleComponentDiagram.jpg
I do not have the data sheets for the Glamo 3362, can some one, who has
access let me know what the max speed of the Glamo's MicroSD card
controller is?  looking for MB/s, or something like that.
-Adam


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openmoko-panel-applet for custom scripts

[Michael Kluge]

Hi all,

is there already an applet for the panel that loads some

 

pairs from a config file and shows  in the menu and executes 
 if I click on ? Or should this be integrated into 
the aux/power-button menus?


Michael

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Re: Public build host (proposal)

[Vijay Vaidyanathan]

On 7/23/08, Vijay Vaidyanathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have images available as an Amazon EC2 AMI. If you are familiar
> with Amazon EC2 (it is really easy to set yourself up if you are not)
> let me know and I shall send you the details.
>
> It isnt free (it costs about $.10 per hour for the "standard"
> machine) but you only pay for when you are using it.

Oh ... and if it wasn't obvious, I am not the one charging the $.1  
per hour, it goes to Amazon, and they keep it :-) I'd just be the one  
creating and making the image available to the public.

details are at http://www.amazon.com/ec2/ and I'm just a satisfied  
customer etc etc.

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Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue

[Yorick Moko]

i tried to walk with tangogps and sometimes i jumed 1-2 km in a random
direction and kept drifting
there were no roads in openstreetmaps for my location, could this influence it?

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 7:51 PM, atweb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The last 50 Minutes I drived 8 km around with my bike for catch coordinates
> for OpenStreetmap.
> I was carefully with Tangogps, so only the one Map came from SD-Card but the
> Track was written to the Flash.
> The Track looks very good.
>
> cu
> Markus
>
>
>
> steve schrieb:
>
> I have mail from Wolfy indicating that Andy's magic SW fix works.
>
> So, contact AG on this matter.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Shiloh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:58 PM
> To: steve
> Cc: 'Joerg Reisenweber'; community@lists.openmoko.org; 'C R McClenaghan';
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Andy Green'
> Subject: Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
>
> I have not had time to test any. But I could.
>
> M
>
> steve wrote:
>
>
> Michael do you have any phones that fail GPS test?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Shiloh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:10 PM
> To: steve
> Cc: 'Joerg Reisenweber'; community@lists.openmoko.org; 'C R
> McClenaghan'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Andy Green
> Subject: Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
>
> ave ceasar!
>
> steve wrote:
>
>
> Then I am Rome.
>
>   The SOP needs to be reviewed. Basically, I will need to hear from
> jOERG, Werner,
>   Micheal, Andy.
>
>   I would like to have micheal test the SOP.
>
>   Then  I can figure out how to offer the repair.
>
>
>   1. Give people a free repair kit?
>   2. work with distributors to do repair.
>   3. Host repair PARTIES! Woo hoo. Bring your own soldering iron.
> BYOSI
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Shiloh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:18 AM
> To: Joerg Reisenweber
> Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org; steve; C R McClenaghan;
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
>
> ...and Michael goes to Steve, so all roads lead to Steve.
>
> Expect a reply from Steve very shortly (if he hasn't already done so).
>
> Michael
>
> Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
>
>
> This should go to Steve and Michael, I guess
>
>
> Am Fr  18. Juli 2008 schrieb C R McClenaghan:
>
>
> Tony,
>
> Will OpenMoko offer this repair to Freerunner owners? How and under
> what terms?
>
> Chris
>
> On Jul 18, 2008, at 2:28 AM, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear Community:
>
> For GTA02 SD card interference GPS issue, our hardware team
> provide a hardware fix/workaround for this coexistence bug. Sorry
> post it late, because we have to make sure this fix works and
> don't have side effects.
>
> Here is the fix:
>
> http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf
>
> This fix could give almost same performance with SD card out of case.
>
> But this work still not suggest do by yourself, also, this fix
> need proper size capacitor (10 pf with 0402 package), and some
> solder technique.
>
> We saw people ask about service issues of Openmoko devices, and we
> are working on it. Our sales discussing with our distributor about
> proper services model, but do not have consensus yet, I will keep
> update
>
>
> it.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tony Tu
>
> Openmoko, Inc.
>
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Re: Public build host (proposal)

[John Mark Walker]

greetings,

collabnet, my employer, might be willing to provide cubit, a
virtualized build and environment. if you're interested, I can ask.

-john mark walker
opencollabnet community manager

On 7/23/08, Vijay Vaidyanathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jul 23, 2008, at 5:01 AM, Christ van Willegen wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> since it seems to be extremely difficult to build software for the
>> OpenMoko on my home machine, perhaps it would be usefull if someone
>> (within OpenMoko?) would set up a globally reachable build host with
>> an openembedded and toolchain environment on it.
>
> I have images available as an Amazon EC2 AMI. If you are familiar
> with Amazon EC2 (it is really easy to set yourself up if you are not)
> let me know and I shall send you the details.
>
> It isnt free (it costs about $.10 per hour for the "standard"
> machine) but you only pay for when you are using it.
>
> - VV
> 
>
>>
>> That way, people with less experience setting up a build environment,
>> or people not having the possibility to have one, could also build
>> software.
>>
>> Let's hear a vote or proposal!
>>
>> Christ van Willegen
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Re: ANNOUNCE: Software equalizer for openmoko

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Am Mittwoch 23 Juli 2008 09:11:20 schrieb Russell Sears:
> I've modified gst-plugin-equalizer to use fixed-point arithmetic.  This
> means that it's (barely) fast enough to provide bass, midrange and
> treble control for ogg files played back via alsa.
>
> Here's a link to binaries (compiled for the factory image) and the patch:
>
> http://hedora.ath.cx/moko/

Amazing work. I'll add this to OpenEmbedded, so all platforms will get the 
benefits.

Since you already took a look into GStreamer, could you check why ogg is 
taking so many resources? Do we use vorbis/tremor or not? Is there any chance 
for a speedup?

Thanks again,

Mickey.

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Re: Operation without battery (GTA02) / sysfs wiki page

[Jim Morris]

Andy Green wrote:

> 
> I made a start on documenting the more interesting /sys files here:
> 
> ~ http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs
> 

Excellent thank you exactly what I was looking for!

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Re: GPS success: updated default software stack with no antenna

[Jay Vaughan]

> Successfully tracked and mapped my daily commute!


Me too, daily, twice a day since Monday ..

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Re: Problem Making Keyboard Dissapear

[reaper527]

Charles-Henri Gros wrote:
> 
> reaper527 wrote:
>> I am currently using the multi-touch keyboard, and am having a hard time
>> making the keyboard disappear when I use the webbrowser (in my case,
>> minimo). 
>> 
>> I have tried altering the /etc/matchbox/session file, as the toggle
>> switch
>> guide suggested, but I am not seeing a button to enable/disable the
>> keyboard. the following is the contents of my session file
> 
> You'll need the matchbox-keyboard-applet package. I don't know if it
> works with multitouch keyboard though (I've only tried with matchbox
> keyboard)
> 
> Apparently X in the applet list requires /usr/lib/matchbox-panel/libX.so
> 
> So you need
> /usr/lib/matchbox-panel/libkeyboard.so
> 
> 
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that did the trick, thanks for the guidance :)

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invisibleSHIELD discount

[Daniel Wassenberg]

Hey everyone,

I just ordered a invisibleSHIELD for my FR and got two discount codes that
will get you 20% off. Both of them are up for grabs to the first two to
respond.

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