Here Thomas, this one is from this century, and actually relevant:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pwn2own-mac-hack,2254.html
It turns out that Miller, a Mac user, says what we PC Weenies have been
saying all along: you rob banks because that's where the money is (oh, and
Macs are safer throu
Constance, if she only has $1,000, she only has $1,000.
Since Microsoft bought the computer for her she now has
$1000 and a computer.
This guy will GIVE her a 17" screen G4 Macbook.
http://i.gizmodo.com/5187031/lauren-we-have-someone-whod-like-to-talk-to-you
If she sells the one Microsoft bou
PC: Acer 2.8 quad core, Vista premium
Mac: iMac 2.4 dual core OSX 10.5.6
Printer: Epson R800 (connected to iMac)
I think I've checked all the appropriate boxes, allowed all the
appropriate permissions, I've tried Bonjour, I've turned off both
firewalls. And yet I still can't print from my PC to
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:46:08 -0400, Chris Dunford wrote:
>> >Please point out what solution to this set of needs Apple provides:
>>
>> You forgot to insist that it must be brown.
>
>What a silly, meaningless response this is.
I have this image of Tom sitting at home being deliberately obtuse,
se
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:30:57 -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote:
>http://daringfireball.net/2007/04/interview_dino_dai_zovi
>
>He did not break in until the second round, when the original rules had
>been relaxed.
>
>"Two minutes" is meaningless. The exploit was a JavaScript hole in
>QuickTime triggered b
>This rather skirts the fact that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of
>not-weightlifters do this every day, don't it?
I used to carry around a big, bulky, heavy terminal. I know first hand
how miserable it is. People do it because they have to. Buying such an
albatross is nothing to crow
>Can walk into a store and buy it off the shelf?
Don't try this at Giant or Safeway.
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>Which only makes Windows harder to hack, at least according to the man who
>pwned the Mac in less than 2 minutes.
More dishonest propaganda from the WFBs.
http://daringfireball.net/2007/04/interview_dino_dai_zovi
He did not break in until the second round, when the original rules had
been rela
>Yeah it is called chopped steak!
Extra Value Meal?
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>Now, if Apple wants to run a commercial where someone is looking for a
>PC and is sold on the Mac's features and buys one. . .fine! It's really
>unrealistic to expect Microsoft to pay for an Apple commercial.
I don't expect them to. I do expect them to make a better case for
getting a PC. What i
>You really just don't seem to get that you can't take your iMac to class or
>on a plane, do you? Is it THAT difficult a concept?
You really just don't seem to get that carrying around an 8-pound big and
bulky is a misery. Even more miserable than using Vista.
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>Please point out what solution to this set of needs Apple provides:
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She wanted a LAPTOP!!!
Do you not understand that some people need a machine they can use in
the classroom, or on a plane, or working from their hotel room when
traveling. Surely you are not ignorant of the many reasons for the use
of a laptop.
Why do you repeated tell her she can't have one
Tom, read the subject line!
Tom Piwowar wrote:
Constance, if she only has $1,000, she only has $1,000.
20-inch iMac is $999 at the Apple Online Store today. Right on the home
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On Mar 30, 2009, at 9:33 PM, Chris Dunford wrote:
Speaking only for myself I start with a list of:
1. What capabilities I need.
2. What capabilities I want.
3. What capabilities would be nice.
That is exactly the point. You don't start off saying I need a
"laptop." You start with capabilit
> >Speaking only for myself I start with a list of:
> >
> >1. What capabilities I need.
> >2. What capabilities I want.
> >3. What capabilities would be nice.
>
> That is exactly the point. You don't start off saying I need a
> "laptop." You start with capabilities and needs.
Yes, and if your
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:05:09 -0400, Constance Warner wrote:
>Well, if she started out her quest [for a laptop] with a set of
>inflexible requirements that the real world might not be able to
>meet--including parts of the real world like computer stores--she's
>limited her options and determi
> You are the one who are not being honest. Nobody, but a weightlifter,
> carries around a "laptop" that is that bulky and that heavy.
This rather skirts the fact that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of
not-weightlifters do this every day, don't it?
**
> >Constance, if she only has $1,000, she only has $1,000.
>
> 20-inch iMac is $999 at the Apple Online Store today. Right on the home
> page.
You really just don't seem to get that you can't take your iMac to class or
on a plane, do you? Is it THAT difficult a concept?
Yeah it is called chopped steak!
Stewart
At 07:23 PM 3/30/2009, you wrote:
>Constance I am not sure how you shop but I shop with a budget and a list.
>I have a preconceived idea of what I need and want before I go
>shopping. Ever go to a grocery store without a list? How much do
>you spend w
>What it IS about is whether or not you can get a laptop at all if you only
>have $1,000 to spend. I don't see why this is so difficult for McFans to
>understand.
An 8-pound "laptop" is a laptop in name only. If you are going to stretch
to call that a laptop then I could stretch things too and cl
Can walk into a store and buy it off the shelf?
Donna
In a message dated 3/30/2009 8:43:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
t...@tjpa.com writes:
>Constance, if she only has $1,000, she only has $1,000.
20-inch iMac is $999 at the Apple Online Store today. Right on the home
page.
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20-inch iMac is $999 at the Apple Online Store today. Right on the home
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Constance I am not sure how you shop but I shop with a budget and a
list.
I have a preconceived idea of what I need and want before I go
shopping. Ever go to a grocery store without a list? How much do
you spend without a list versus with a list.
When I go shopping for a car I have a budge
>I think I've found Tom's problem. He needs to eat better, he is obviously
>in a very weakened state and thinks 6-7 pounds is heavy.
I challenge you to start the day with 2 six-packs under you arm and carry
them whereever you go (no you can't drink the contents). This is just
another example of
>Now you get the point of the commercial! She couldn't seriously consider
>a Mac, as there were zero options, given her budget and requirements.
Now you don't get the point. The requirements were artificially contrived
to exclude a very good and appropriate computer that Apple does make that
c
> Or you say "I need a compact one-piece computer that won't clutter my
> house with computer hardware." For that need an 8-pound "laptop" may be
> just fine. The 20-inch iMac would also be fine.
>
> My point is that saying it must be a laptop makes as much sense as
> saying
> your MP3 player must
> This is pointless name calling. The Mac is the cheap seats. The Mac
> would
> come with the iWork productivity suite and iLife media suite. All
> excellent programs.
That's called "competing," and that's good. Apple is trying to create value
for their customers and I won't criticize them for t
>Constance I am not sure how you shop but I shop with a budget and a list.
>I have a preconceived idea of what I need and want before I go
>shopping. Ever go to a grocery store without a list? How much do
>you spend without a list versus with a list.
Do you go shopping for a steak dinner with
Download Open Office? :-)
Donna
In a message dated 3/30/2009 8:11:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
t...@tjpa.com writes:
>Nope. But, when you publicly sneer at those who don't have any choice
>but to sit in the cheaper seats, then yes, you are an elitist snob.
This is pointless name call
>Speaking only for myself I start with a list of:
>
>1. What capabilities I need.
>2. What capabilities I want.
>3. What capabilities would be nice.
That is exactly the point. You don't start off saying I need a "laptop."
You start with capabilities and needs.
You say "I need a small, light c
>Nope. But, when you publicly sneer at those who don't have any choice
>but to sit in the cheaper seats, then yes, you are an elitist snob.
This is pointless name calling. The Mac is the cheap seats. The Mac would
come with the iWork productivity suite and iLife media suite. All
excellent progr
Malwarebytes Anti-Malware
Super Antispyware
Plus I do recommend Avast as a good basic anti-virus program.
Stewart
At 03:07 PM 3/30/2009, you wrote:
Kept gripping about how badly his system was
running how it was a piece of trash and you know the drill. Well
when he went to work on Friday we
As well as rootkit. I was using AVG free till it stopped doing full
protection for free users. Avast is a good solution for home users.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 1:14 PM, db wrote:
> Install the Free AVAST antivirus software (be sure to uninstall what you
> have now first). It has malware and s
Install the Free AVAST antivirus software (be sure to uninstall what
you have now first). It has malware and spyware protection...
db
Gail.Miller wrote:
Kept gripping about how badly his system was
running how it was a piece of trash and you know the drill. Well
when he went to work on Frid
Kept gripping about how badly his system was
running how it was a piece of trash and you know the drill. Well when he
went to work on Friday we got his laptop and I installed two clean up
programs (anti-malware and super anti spyware) and cleaned up his system.
Hi ...
Would you be kind enou
Can anyone recommend an OS X font manager that would be appropriate for
a graphics designer (Tiger system soon to be upgraded to Leopard) and is
as trouble free as possible?
I see from googling around that Extensis Fusion might be a contender...
db
> Having worked hardware support many eons ago, The biggest problem with
> getting things to work is not those who do not know what they are doing, but
> working with the individual who assumes they know everything.
Yeah, there is that too.
Our CEO came from a smaller organization where they outs
:-)
Stewart
At 02:19 PM 3/30/2009, you wrote:
Rev...they aren't *macs*, they are crap...bottom feeder hardware..oh wait I
mean scum sucking bottom feeder hardware. At least to our friends on the
other side.
Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net
Prince of Peace www.princeo
Rev...they aren't *macs*, they are crap...bottom feeder hardware..oh wait I
mean scum sucking bottom feeder hardware. At least to our friends on the
other side.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Constance I can go to Wal-Marts site right n
Having worked hardware support many eons ago, The biggest problem
with getting things to work is not those who do not know what they
are doing, but working with the individual who assumes they know everything.
The toughest problems we had in support was with the Doctors and
staff who "knew" ho
> Subject: Re: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters] Puhleze stop
Seconded!
>
> I'm glad I get the digest version of the list. I think I'd have to
> stop collecting my email otherwise.
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> That can be a self fulfilling limitation though - the TCO appears high
> because of the labor, limiting the number management will purchase, with the
> limited number being used to justify not buying the one unit and application
> that would lower the TCO ...
Matthew - Yes I do know this alread
That is strange but I think I preached on part of this topic yesterday! :-)
Stewart
At 01:39 PM 3/30/2009, you wrote:
> So, if I order anything other than the cheapest thing on the menu, I am
> _elitist_?
Nope. But, when you publicly sneer at those who don't have any choice
but to sit in th
> Oh, a factory or business shop full of idiots who know very little,
> making you look the quintessential fountain of knowledge.
Actually, yes. That's my job; to be the resident IT expert. I also
believe in the division of labor, so that we get the highest return on
investment in staff. We have
That can be a self fulfilling limitation though - the TCO appears high
because of the labor, limiting the number management will purchase,
with the limited number being used to justify not buying the one unit
and application that would lower the TCO ...
Matthew
On Mar 30, 2009, at 2:36 PM,
> I've been using Macs since 1988
>
> I'm ready to put gaff tape over all of the Apple logos on every
> computer I own. I'm ready to send an award to the advertising agency
> that created this infamous advert. It gets an A++ for effectiveness
> even if it never sells a single extra copy of Windo
Speaking only for myself I start with a list of:
1. What capabilities I need.
2. What capabilities I want.
3. What capabilities would be nice.
Then I figure out what it costs to get first 1, then to add on 2, then
to add on 3. Only at that point do I decide what I am willing to
spend to
Constance I can go to Wal-Marts site right now and buy a Dell Studio
17" laptop which is their latest model and available for under $1K.
And yes I do know Dells and own three of them right now. I have
found them to be virtually problem free.
Stewart
At 11:23 AM 3/30/2009, you wrote:
You
> So, if I order anything other than the cheapest thing on the menu, I am
> _elitist_?
Nope. But, when you publicly sneer at those who don't have any choice
but to sit in the cheaper seats, then yes, you are an elitist snob.
> What kind of warped logic is that? Are you getting
> desperate?
I d
> You do? Then you are not using the correct management tools.
I fully understand that, but we don't have enough Macs on the network
to justify the cost at this point.
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Ah, now we get to it...anyone not running Apple hardware is, let me get this
right...scum sucking bottom feeders, or is it anyone not running Apple
hardware *likes* scum sucking bottom feeder hardware? I can't tell exactly
how you were insulting anyone without macs.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:11
Again, changing the facts won't win your argument.
She got what she wanted, for the price she wanted...just because your
irritated it wasn't a mac doesn't mean she didn't.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Constance Warner wrote:
>
>
> You don't have to be rich to afford a Mac. But to demand th
Constance I am not sure how you shop but I shop with a budget and a list.
I have a preconceived idea of what I need and want before I go
shopping. Ever go to a grocery store without a list? How much do
you spend without a list versus with a list.
When I go shopping for a car I have a budget
Oh, a factory or business shop full of idiots who know very little,
making you look the quintessential fountain of knowledge.
Any system can be set up to run successfully, if anyone bother to set it
up. I suppose you must now judge no group capable of administering
their own computers.
Jeff,
> We had the seniority to tell the administrator what his priorities were;
> we defined his job and had him document any new processes we hadn't
> already documented as we set things up.
>
>> If I had a quarter for every question that I answered with "Did you
> read the email I sent out about this
You do? Then you are not using the correct management tools.
Matthew
On Mar 30, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Jeff Wright wrote:
with my
Macs I have to visit every machine individually to patch it. That's
about 10x as much time per machine for me.
That's right: MS can only brag about low-priced combos of their OS
running on cheap hardware. They are down to that, nothing else left,
except maybe sucks a little less than what we have out now?
So, if I order anything other than the cheapest thing on the menu, I am
_elitist_? What kind of warpe
Now you get the point of the commercial! She couldn't seriously consider
a Mac, as there were zero options, given her budget and requirements.
She obviously didn't know that, else why would she have traveled to the
Apple Store. So she must have learned that fact there, hence the short
visit.
No. So they show adds of people buying _laptops_ and showing how much
cheaper they are (with scum-sucking bottom feeder hardware).
You are very astute.
Thank you,
Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
MS doesn't offer laptops. They offer an operating system that runs on
low end laptops (and,
> I learned long ago to not count on staff doing your work for you.
That's the easiest way to get burned.
We had the seniority to tell the administrator what his priorities were;
we defined his job and had him document any new processes we hadn't
already documented as we set things up.
> If I had
> If all MS has to offer is cheap (and only mention purchase price), then
> they are in more trouble than I imagined.
>
> Buy a Yugo or a Chrysler-Fiat; nobody (who advertizes) will sell you one
> cheaper. Wow. Are they chasing Walmart?
I take it that the Mac camp is OK with being seen as elitis
"From: "Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)"
To:
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:24:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
If all MS has to offer is cheap (and only mention purchase price), then
they are in more trouble than I imagined.
Buy a Yugo or a Chrysler-Fiat; nobody (who advertizes)
MS doesn't offer laptops. They offer an operating system that runs on
low end laptops (and, in addition, midrange and high end). Apple offers
an OS and hardware only in the midrange and high end.
Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote:
If all MS has to offer is cheap (and only mention purchase price),
I've been using Macs since 1988 - ever since going up to the counter
of the little computer store and telling them that I figured out just
fine the computer with the folders and tiny pictures of pages on the
screen but that the other computer with the black screen and the
green letters seemed t
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
wrote:
> My company follows all of the mandatory MS patches, which come out a
> little over one a month and push them down to desktops and servers.
>
> My experience with Macs in corporate world was with power-users (all
> engineers) who di
My company follows all of the mandatory MS patches, which come out a
little over one a month and push them down to desktops and servers.
My experience with Macs in corporate world was with power-users (all
engineers) who did our own patching. An administrator would notify us
of patches and we'd l
Obviously I'm not saying that I or anyone else should have ZERO
criteria when shopping. What I am saying is that if you demand
EVERYTHING you want at a totally unrealistic price, you're going to
be disappointed.
And as for "money is no object": my first Mac laptop, for which I
waited MAN
If Lady Shopright has only $1K to buy a computer with, and economy is
her SOLE AND MAJOR consideration, she can get a refurb Mac laptop for
less--probably a 17" to boot. When making a purchasing decision,
there is always a balancing of factors. If Lady Shopright insists on
17", laptop in
I have been thinking about how much information about myself to
Put on the internet, I wanted know if any who as put their resume
Online had any problems, with ID thieves or any problems.
I wanted List my ability and how I over came and solved problems in
accounting, Computer, patent law, tax law
> As someone who spends 90% of computing time on W-XP, but prefers Apple
> (and has for my own compute time), I find your WFB rants a bit
> disingenuous. I don't spend near as much maintaining my OS X computer
> as the company spends on this W XP laptop. You just come off sounding
> ignorant to s
If all MS has to offer is cheap (and only mention purchase price), then
they are in more trouble than I imagined.
Buy a Yugo or a Chrysler-Fiat; nobody (who advertizes) will sell you one
cheaper. Wow. Are they chasing Walmart?
Thank you,
Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
Mark, it's not ab
> No you are not. WFBs are just stuck on the old (and dumb) idea that a
> compact home computer should be a fat laptop. That just demonstrates a
> lack of imagination on the part of Windows computer manufacturers. Apple
> took the trouble to think the problem through and came up with a much
> bette
> This ad contains one manipulative lie after another.
Of course, the Apple ad showing MS spending literally all of its money on
marketing, that wasn't a manipulative lie at all, no no no.
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> I still say, that going shopping with preconceived notions and
> requirements is fundamentally unrealistic
Constance, if she only has $1,000, she only has $1,000. No amount of "Mac is
better" fattens her wallet. McFans' protest notwithstanding, there is
nothing unrealistic about this. Not every
Constance, when you go shopping are you saying you have ZERO criteria?
NONE? You must be unbelievably rich. For the rest of us who have normal
jobs, make normal amounts of money...money does have to come into play at
some point.
Not everyone can live with the 'money is no object' attitude some h
I think I've found Tom's problem. He needs to eat better, he is obviously
in a very weakened state and thinks 6-7 pounds is heavy. I happen to have
an HP DV series laptop...my wife uses it every day. She is able, despite
her 5'1" 120lb frame to take this laptop with ease from kitchen table to
de
Like the Apple ads? You can spot em
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
> >Betty, do you think that the woman with the Swiffer actually cleans her
> >house with that thing? Or that it is actually her house? Or that it is a
> >house at all, not a stage set?
>
> For starters the S
> For this class of computer Apple has a better idea and it
> is the 20-inch iMac.
Jeff is right, this whole thing is too funny for words. The idea of carting
a 20" iMac to class or Starbucks, along with the 20-foot orange extension
cord required to plug it in somewhere, well, stop it, you're kil
>So far so good, don't jinx it with probing questions.
You are no fun at all.
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> As someone who spends 90% of computing time on W-XP, but prefers Apple
> (and has for my own compute time), I find your WFB rants a bit
> disingenuous. I don't spend near as much maintaining my OS X computer
> as the company spends on this W XP laptop. You just come off sounding
> ignorant to s
I still say, that going shopping with preconceived notions and
requirements is fundamentally unrealistic. The real world does not
organize itself according to our wishes. If she's even thinking of
buying a Mac [which from context it's clear that she's NOT] she
needs to look at Macs overal
>What you can't dance around, and what not a single one of you have been
>able to admit, is that if you want a 17" notebook and all you have is a
>thousand bucks, you can choose between dozens of Windows laptops or zero
>Macs.
Those "notebooks" are not really notebooks. They are compact desktop
>Since I am an idiot, I will respond...
>Disclaimer 1: My desktop is my main machine and I would not put Win7
>beta on it.
This disqualifies you from the idiot contest. You will have to try harder
and but the beta on your main machine.
**
>You folks have danced around this thing in every conceivable way. She's an
>actress. She didn't go into the store (which you don't know). Her HP is
>too heavy (it's certainly heavier than the equivalent Mac, which doesn't
>exist). It's an old model (it's not). She should've gotten an iMac (to
>Betty, do you think that the woman with the Swiffer actually cleans her
>house with that thing? Or that it is actually her house? Or that it is a
>house at all, not a stage set?
For starters the Swiffer ad is not presented as being documentary. The
Laptop Hunters ad rings false from the first
>Constance, wanting a laptop for under $1,000 is neither unreasonable nor
>impossible. The parts of the real world that are unable to meet her
>requirements are not "computer stores" but "Apple stores".
You are a victim of the Microsoft reality distortion field.
We have already established that:
>The commercial had one, simple premise: if you have a budget of $1,000 and
>17" laptop is your target device, you are out of luck with Apple. (That
>reminds me of the old adage, "If you have to ask the price...").
No you are not. WFBs are just stuck on the old (and dumb) idea that a
compact h
As someone who spends 90% of computing time on W-XP, but prefers Apple
(and has for my own compute time), I find your WFB rants a bit
disingenuous. I don't spend near as much maintaining my OS X computer
as the company spends on this W XP laptop. You just come off sounding
ignorant to someone who
> I'm more worried that WIN7 has reached the pin the old feature on the
> new OS
> stage. This is where the other units at M$ get a whack at adding back
> old
> things that mess up the OS.
Everything I've read in statements from MS is that Win7 is feature complete.
OTOH, never rule out scope cree
> I'm more worried that WIN7 has reached the pin the old feature
> on the new OS stage. This is where the other units at M$ get
> a whack at adding back old things that mess up the OS.
No, Win 7 has been feature-frozen for a long time. Nobody has added anything
of any significance to it for mon
> Macintosh machines do cost more than Windows machines of
> the same basic physical size.
Steve, congratulations on being the first to even come close to
acknowledging reality. You follow it up with the inevitable "But...", yet
this is a good first step in the twelve-step program for MFBs. :)
>
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Chris Dunford wrote:
> > How long out of the box is long enough? I usually wait a
> > SP or two with M$ products to see if they can fix it up to
> > run well. Win7 may be ripe by fall 2010.
>
> I think it's important to note that both the development process and
> How long out of the box is long enough? I usually wait a
> SP or two with M$ products to see if they can fix it up to
> run well. Win7 may be ripe by fall 2010.
I think it's important to note that both the development process and the
beta process were quite different for Win 7 as opposed to
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote:
>
> Win 7 may be the greatest thing since sliced bread but it's in an
> early beta phase right now. This may seem somewhat conservative
> to you but when I have a solid OS (and XP Pro wasn't always solid,
> need I remind you) I am not going t
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Chris Dunford wrote:
> What you can't dance around, and what not a single one of you have been able
> to admit, is that if you want a 17" notebook and all you have is a thousand
> bucks, you can choose between dozens of Windows laptops or zero Macs.
Macintos
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Richard P. wrote:
> I think Asus was making some monitors which were wide than normal to
> accommodate the sidebar. Don't know if they were a hit or not, or if
> they still exist.
>
Some of the Widescreen monitors were wide for watching widescreen movies and
just
> Well, if she started out her quest [for a laptop] with a set of
> inflexible requirements that the real world might not be able to
> meet--including parts of the real world like computer stores--she's
> limited her options and determined the outcome of her shopping trip
> before she's even starte
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