Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
Both the unlocking and jailbreaking are done with software? Depends on the phone. Some phones need a special SIM to unlock, others must be connected by cable to a PC with bluetooth turned off. Some phones all you need is an unlock code which is calculated using the IMEI, model number, carrier and an algorithm which generates the code [easier than it sounds]. Jailbreaking is done with software like quickpwn. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
I believe that after a given period of time they are required to give you an unlock code to allow you open your phone up for any service provider that fits. (In this case GSM) you can then subscribe to a service and put in the SIM card. I think that you should be able to use any hardware present service within the phone without a problem. ATT and TMo use different frequencies for 3G. Euro iPhone might work on Tmo 3G, but US iPhone won't. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] droid self-photography?
He might have been wanting to take screenshots You mean like on the iPhone and iPod Touch? That's build-in, no extra app needed. Can Droid do screenshots too? Can it select and save images? Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] 'Clean Instal' W7 Upgrades Illegal
I have no idea what you're talking about, unless you're just being sarcastic. But I thought I'd point out that an annual re-installation of the OS hasn't been advisable since the old Win9x days. The whole WinNT line has always normally been stable enough to run for years. On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: > So, once you have done an OS upgrade on your machine, you can no longer do an > annual re-installation of the OS on a reformatted drive. And if the drive on > which the upgrade was done suffers a hardware failure, it is illegal to > install the upgrade OS on the new hard drive? (unless, of course, you first > install the old OS and then perform an upgrade to it?) Why does MS insist > that one go through the more lengthy process?? What is to be accomplished > except harassing the customer? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] DROID killer [was: It's monotheist versus pagan (It's a Windows Mobile killer)]
First, I forgot that the Droid is by Motorola. Could this be that company's last gasp at mobile phones? My Moto SLVR was a very attractive phone that made me sound like I was calling from an undersea cave--on both Cingular and T-Mobile networks, plus Vodafone, Orange, Telefonica in Europe. Its menus were voluminous/tedious, more than anyone could ever need and a real waste of time. Only my Samsung was worse. Maybe the Droid will be a big improvement? iPhone on Verizon: Depends on whether Apple wants to work from scratch or borrow from existing multiband phones. Coordinating data and voice will be the main problem. Here's a phone from Hong Kong that does quadband GSM and dual CDMA, http://www.emixt.com/china-mobile-phone-gsm-and-cdma-dual-mode-bluetooth-2-4-inch-lcd-quad-band-r85d-.html. These phones have been around for several years in east Asia. Verizon sometimes sells at least one at their stores for customers who travel outside the US, like the Moto and Samsung versions. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] 'Clean Instal' W7 Upgrades Illegal
So, once you have done an OS upgrade on your machine, you can no longer do an annual re-installation of the OS on a reformatted drive. And if the drive on which the upgrade was done suffers a hardware failure, it is illegal to install the upgrade OS on the new hard drive? (unless, of course, you first install the old OS and then perform an upgrade to it?) Why does MS insist that one go through the more lengthy process?? What is to be accomplished except harassing the customer? Fred Holmes At 04:39 PM 11/8/2009, tjpa wrote: >Always doing its best to be helpful, M$ wants to let you know that if >you want to install W7 on a new drive you are a dirty rotten crook. > >Windows 7 upgrade 'hacks' not legal, Microsoft suggests >http://gcn.com/articles/2009/11/02/windows-7-upgrade-hacks-not-legal.aspx?s=gcndaily_041109 > >"Over the past several days, there have been various posts [showing] >that a Windows 7 Upgrade disc can perform a 'clean' installation of >Windows 7 on a blank drive from a technical perspective," Ligman wrote >last week in a Microsoft small-to-medium business blog. "Of course, >from the posts I saw, they often forgot to mention a very basic, yet >very important, piece of information 'Technically possible' does >not always mean legal." > >WFBs will of course take umbrage at the site of us ROTFLOLing, but we >just can't help it. You dirty rotten crooks! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] 'Clean Instal' W7 Upgrades Illegal
It would be difficult to find someone that didn't have a copy of win2k/winxp or vista and be qualified. I have to say, those who bought full versions of vista, should have free upgrades or perhaps 20 dollar upgrades. On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Tony B wrote: > It's only illegal if you don't already own a qualifying product. You > may remember when I installed Win7 on this machine I had to call MS. > They specifically walked me through installing my upgrade product to a > new bare drive. But I was replacing Vista; just not to the same drive. > > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:39 PM, tjpa wrote: > > Always doing its best to be helpful, M$ wants to let you know that if you > > want to install W7 on a new drive you are a dirty rotten crook. > > > > Windows 7 upgrade 'hacks' not legal, Microsoft suggests > > > http://gcn.com/articles/2009/11/02/windows-7-upgrade-hacks-not-legal.aspx?s=gcndaily_041109 > > > > "Over the past several days, there have been various posts…[showing] that > a > > Windows 7 Upgrade disc can perform a 'clean' installation of Windows 7 on > a > > blank drive from a technical perspective," Ligman wrote last week in a > > Microsoft small-to-medium business blog. "Of course, from the posts I > saw, > > they often forgot to mention a very basic, yet very important, piece of > > information 'Technically possible' does not always mean legal." > > > > WFBs will of course take umbrage at the site of us ROTFLOLing, but we > just > > can't help it. You dirty rotten crooks! > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] 'Clean Instal' W7 Upgrades Illegal
It's only illegal if you don't already own a qualifying product. You may remember when I installed Win7 on this machine I had to call MS. They specifically walked me through installing my upgrade product to a new bare drive. But I was replacing Vista; just not to the same drive. On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:39 PM, tjpa wrote: > Always doing its best to be helpful, M$ wants to let you know that if you > want to install W7 on a new drive you are a dirty rotten crook. > > Windows 7 upgrade 'hacks' not legal, Microsoft suggests > http://gcn.com/articles/2009/11/02/windows-7-upgrade-hacks-not-legal.aspx?s=gcndaily_041109 > > "Over the past several days, there have been various posts…[showing] that a > Windows 7 Upgrade disc can perform a 'clean' installation of Windows 7 on a > blank drive from a technical perspective," Ligman wrote last week in a > Microsoft small-to-medium business blog. "Of course, from the posts I saw, > they often forgot to mention a very basic, yet very important, piece of > information 'Technically possible' does not always mean legal." > > WFBs will of course take umbrage at the site of us ROTFLOLing, but we just > can't help it. You dirty rotten crooks! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] MobileMe [Was COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest …]
No, I think it was only Exchange support and some of the new MobileMe web apps that they had extended problems with when Apple was transitioning from .Mac to MobileMe. Mail, storage and syncing went almost completely unaffected and have remained so. Apple's failures were with new features that no one had yet come to rely on, unlike the Google, Sidekick and R.I.M. failures. Apple paid handsomely for its problems in rolling out new features by giving MobileMe customers 90 days free. But the bad server administration of those few new things apparently put Tom off MobileMe for everything. From:John Duncan Yoyo Subject: Re: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 7 Nov 2009 - Special issue (#2009-996) On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:17 AM, David K Watson wrote: I am not going to argue any general claims, but in this case go back and read Tom's posts when MobileMe was having all its service problems the first times Apple tried to put in Exchange support. Tom was at least as unhappy with Apple over that as he was over MS's recent problems with Sidekick phone data. Consider also that Google has had several notable service failures a couple of times since then, particularly with email and search, but I don't recall Tom being nearly so critical about that. So it is possible to argue that in this case, Tom is harder on Apple than he is on Google. Some of that is the duration of the outages. The Sidekick mess was a few a week or two, Mobileme was prolonged. Google was out for what a few hours? Every one is going to have server problems but the time it takes to remedy the situation should be part of the outrage level. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] macheist bundle for free
On Nov 8, 2009, at 3:48 PM, mike wrote: macheist.com is adverting a pack of free programs, some of you mac users might be interested. This is real software. I guess their hope is to get you hooked and then you'll pay for the next upgrade. Life is especially tough these days for small developers. Budgets are tight and there is so much FOSS competition. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] 'Clean Instal' W7 Upgrades Illegal
Always doing its best to be helpful, M$ wants to let you know that if you want to install W7 on a new drive you are a dirty rotten crook. Windows 7 upgrade 'hacks' not legal, Microsoft suggests http://gcn.com/articles/2009/11/02/windows-7-upgrade-hacks-not-legal.aspx?s=gcndaily_041109 "Over the past several days, there have been various posts…[showing] that a Windows 7 Upgrade disc can perform a 'clean' installation of Windows 7 on a blank drive from a technical perspective," Ligman wrote last week in a Microsoft small-to-medium business blog. "Of course, from the posts I saw, they often forgot to mention a very basic, yet very important, piece of information 'Technically possible' does not always mean legal." WFBs will of course take umbrage at the site of us ROTFLOLing, but we just can't help it. You dirty rotten crooks! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
1000 mins/ mo. That's about 1/2 hr a day on the cell phone... db tjpa wrote: On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:48 PM, db wrote: T-Mobile does not have roll over minutes so $45 is for 1000 mins /mo ... use them or lose them. 1000 minutes/month. That would require that I spend around 4 per cent of my waking hours every single day yacking on the cell phone. Heck, I'm no teenager. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] macheist bundle for free
macheist.com is adverting a pack of free programs, some of you mac users might be interested. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear
We all bow to your obvious superior knowledge of all things. Blah. On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:28 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Nov 8, 2009, at 2:32 PM, mike wrote: > >> Safeway customers now just feel reinforced in their belief Safeway is the >> place to be. >> > > And they were happy to be ripped off by Safeway. That tells you something > about their smarts. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear
On Nov 8, 2009, at 2:32 PM, mike wrote: Safeway customers now just feel reinforced in their belief Safeway is the place to be. And they were happy to be ripped off by Safeway. That tells you something about their smarts. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
On Nov 8, 2009, at 2:43 PM, mike wrote: For those who do support by phone, this isn't anything. An hour a day in a ten hour workday spent on the phone is 1200 minutes a month. I do Mac support. Don't need that many minutes. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
I responded, in detail. Try reading the posts. On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 1:18 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:38 PM, mike wrote: > >> I read carefully your uninformed bullshit. You cry someone misunderstands >> what you say just when you know they've got it exactly, stick and move, >> never admit you are wrong... >> > > Precisely my point. Asked to present facts, Mike responds with a long > incoherent rant. Q.E.D. > > I me really hoping that Android is a success. Apple needs the competition > and Google is known for doing good work. However I do think Verizon's ads > are off the mark and anybody posting here about the Driod's super powers > before the product even shipped was just being silly. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone multitasking
On Nov 8, 2009, at 2:43 PM, MrMike6by9 wrote: Just a brief comment. If I switch to another app on the iPhone from a Apple native app such as Safari, Safari will bring up the last page viewed when I return to it. The iPod player works the same way. Non-native apps "start from the beginning". I can listen to a radio station with Ootunes on the phone but I cannot read my email at the same time. When I return to Ootunes, it does resume that last station but it cannot play in the background while I'm viewing email. The Sirius app has the same limitation. The iPhone does multitask but only with the default, native apps. I suspect this is a marketing tactic. Apple adds features to its iPods and iPhones quite regularly, but seems to be in no hurry. I guess they don't need to hurry as long as they have no real competition. Instead they make each successive mode a little more appealing than the previous. This encourages people to upgrade. Put another way: Apple's only competition is Apple so they can manage the introduction of features at a rate that benefits them the most. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:38 PM, mike wrote: I read carefully your uninformed bullshit. You cry someone misunderstands what you say just when you know they've got it exactly, stick and move, never admit you are wrong... Precisely my point. Asked to present facts, Mike responds with a long incoherent rant. Q.E.D. I me really hoping that Android is a success. Apple needs the competition and Google is known for doing good work. However I do think Verizon's ads are off the mark and anybody posting here about the Driod's super powers before the product even shipped was just being silly. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone multitasking
YMMV for sure. I don't want apps to stop when I move to another, that's the point. It's not multitasking, it's resuming. On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:43 PM, MrMike6by9 wrote: > Just a brief comment. If I switch to another app on the iPhone from a > Apple native app such as Safari, Safari will bring up the last page > viewed when I return to it. The iPod player works the same way. > Non-native apps "start from the beginning". I can listen to a radio > station with Ootunes on the phone but I cannot read my email at the > same time. When I return to Ootunes, it does resume that last station > but it cannot play in the background while I'm viewing email. The > Sirius app has the same limitation. The iPhone does multitask but only > with the default, native apps. > > YMMV > > -- > It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument. > - William G. McAdoo > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
Correction, the samsung moment has an 800mhz CPU, one of the fastest on the market be it iphone, blackberry or android. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:26 PM, mike wrote: > That was all on my phone, an HTC Hero. The moto droid can do the same, all > the android phones are similiar hardware except for the moto droid having a > better screen and the samsung moment having 8 gigs of built in memory. > There are something on the order of 100,000 apps for iphone, I think at last > count 20,000 were either tip calculators or flashlight apps. Tongue in > cheek of course...there are thousands of android apps, and I can't say I've > gone looking for an app and not found something suitable. So far so good. > > I broke my foot in four places a few weeks ago, so I've gotten to know my > couch far better then it or I ever hoped. That said I have spent a lot of > time on my semi new phone putting it to the test. As far as if I multitask > well...you did see i was on IRC right? Not exactly a brain taxer...same > with twitter. Both are more time wasters, leftovers from being on the net > so long. It's a nice distraction while I keep my foot up, and even nicer I > don't need to sign out of twitter, IM or IRC and just play around on > whatever I want keeping them all open while also looking at an occasional > email or engadget page. > > > > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 9:33 PM, David K Watson > wrote: > >> That is the kind of answer I've been looking for, that I haven't >> seen at all anywhere else. Whatever works for you, fine. You >> make a good case for your phone. (Was all that on your phone, >> or was it at your computer and you are giving an example of >> what you'd like your phone to do?) However, do you know that >> the Droid can do all that now or at least will be able to do that if the >> right apps are made for it? If so, then there is definitely a >> place for it at the smartphone table. >> >> On a side note, what are you, a hyperactive teenager? You >> sound like one seriously distracted dude, dude, if that is >> representative of more than a tiny fraction of your day. >> Live your life however you want, but I hope that you know >> that there's lots of cognitive science which says that kind of >> multitasking seriously impairs your critical thinking, memory >> and mood. Science also says that no one does multitasking >> anywhere nearly as well as they think that they do. >> >> From:mike >>> Subject: Re: Moto droid by Andy ihnatko >>> >>> In answer to your specific question, at the time I sent the last email >>> where >>> I said I want to be able to multitask, I was answering an email, on three >>> IRC networks (talking in two channels actively), on IM with a friend in >>> London and checking twitter for a search I'd done. If I'm on IRC on the >>> iphone, I can't switch back and forth to IM without shutting down the >>> other >>> app...I can't answer an email without shutting down other apps. >>> Disconnecting from IM and IRC every time I want to read an email would be >>> tiresome, I've done it. I like my little cell phone world I can create >>> on a >>> phone I can multitask on, do I *need* it? Of course not. But combine >>> that >>> advantage on a network that is MUCH cheaper and I'm very satisfied with >>> my >>> choice knowing I've lost some things and gained some things. >>> >> >> >> * >> ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** >> ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** >> * >> > > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone multitasking
Just a brief comment. If I switch to another app on the iPhone from a Apple native app such as Safari, Safari will bring up the last page viewed when I return to it. The iPod player works the same way. Non-native apps "start from the beginning". I can listen to a radio station with Ootunes on the phone but I cannot read my email at the same time. When I return to Ootunes, it does resume that last station but it cannot play in the background while I'm viewing email. The Sirius app has the same limitation. The iPhone does multitask but only with the default, native apps. YMMV -- It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument. - William G. McAdoo * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
For those who do support by phone, this isn't anything. An hour a day in a ten hour workday spent on the phone is 1200 minutes a month. On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:35 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:48 PM, db wrote: > >> T-Mobile does not have roll over minutes so $45 is for 1000 mins /mo ... >> use them or lose them. >> > > 1000 minutes/month. That would require that I spend around 4 per cent of my > waking hours every single day yacking on the cell phone. Heck, I'm no > teenager. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear
On Nov 8, 2009, at 2:14 PM, mike wrote: Sounds like she needs medication and maybe a life outside of her job. She probably realized after the fact she lost all her personal stuff she wasn't supposed to leave on her work machine in the first place. Ignorant remark. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 7 Nov 2009 - Special issue (#2009-996)
The point isn't that Tom can prove what he said, he is merely rewriting history to suit his needs now. Just a day or two ago I was lying about running multiple apps on my phone...a phone he's probably never even seen in pictures but knows more about then it's own users know becanse Tom Says So. On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: > > At the time I posted about the M$ $idekick $crewup the story was that > > there was no backup and all user files were permanently lost. Only > > WFBs thought that was hokedokey. > > Who thought that, exactly? What quote can you provide to back that up? > Here's part of my post: > > "This was just horrendous mismanagement by MS." > > Now, who thought it was "hokey-dokey", and what exactly did he or she say? > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:48 PM, db wrote: T-Mobile does not have roll over minutes so $45 is for 1000 mins / mo ... use them or lose them. 1000 minutes/month. That would require that I spend around 4 per cent of my waking hours every single day yacking on the cell phone. Heck, I'm no teenager. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear
Well that's the difference isn't it? When a company you already favor, like apple touts a change you believe in all of it's goodiness...when a company like Safeway or MS who you believe to already be ripping you off does it, you take a negative approach. The cycle is very difficult to break. I can't see how it's possible for a company to make improvements, advertise those improvements and not run into this pitfall in approaching customers who don't like them already. Safeway customers now just feel reinforced in their belief Safeway is the place to be. On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:22 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Nov 8, 2009, at 7:07 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Not at all. It is almost unheard of for a manufacturer to advertise >> the shortcomings of their product. In that vein I actually commend >> Microsoft for being so forthright, even if it is being done in order >> to promote and sell the new version of their operating system. >> > > That is a tough tactic to succeed with. Right now in DC the Safeway stores > are running an ad campaign based on "we've changed" that touts their lower > prices. My immediate reaction is: "So you now admit that you have been > ripping us off all these years." I don't know if I want to do business with > a company that has such a bad history. Can I trust them? Will the lower > prices come from selling spoiled goods? I still remember when Food Lion got > caught pouring bleach on spoiled meat so they could keep trying to sell it. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 7 Nov 2009 - Special issue (#2009-996)
> At the time I posted about the M$ $idekick $crewup the story was that > there was no backup and all user files were permanently lost. Only > WFBs thought that was hokedokey. Who thought that, exactly? What quote can you provide to back that up? Here's part of my post: "This was just horrendous mismanagement by MS." Now, who thought it was "hokey-dokey", and what exactly did he or she say? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear
On Nov 8, 2009, at 7:07 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Not at all. It is almost unheard of for a manufacturer to advertise the shortcomings of their product. In that vein I actually commend Microsoft for being so forthright, even if it is being done in order to promote and sell the new version of their operating system. That is a tough tactic to succeed with. Right now in DC the Safeway stores are running an ad campaign based on "we've changed" that touts their lower prices. My immediate reaction is: "So you now admit that you have been ripping us off all these years." I don't know if I want to do business with a company that has such a bad history. Can I trust them? Will the lower prices come from selling spoiled goods? I still remember when Food Lion got caught pouring bleach on spoiled meat so they could keep trying to sell it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear
On Nov 8, 2009, at 8:06 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Implicit is not the same thing as making direct and unmistakable references to something. That difference is what I was pointing out in the current crop of televised Microsoft ads for Windows 7. It is a bit different in the case of M$ because Vista really sucked. Reviews of W7 seem to indicate that W7 is just Vista cleaned up. Some reviewers say things like "What Vista should have been." That is a tepid endorsement and does not at all justify the high price that M$ is charging for what amounts to a service pack. Remember what Honest Abe opined: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 7 Nov 2009 - Special issue (#2009-996)
Then stop doing it. On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:01 PM, tjpa wrote: > In the technical discussions conducted on this list this tactic is > especially idiotic. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear
Sounds like she needs medication and maybe a life outside of her job. She probably realized after the fact she lost all her personal stuff she wasn't supposed to leave on her work machine in the first place. On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:04 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Nov 8, 2009, at 12:34 AM, David K Watson wrote: > >> Don't be so hard on her, Tom. >> She has a brother to do all her computer service for her, for free. >> > > As I said, "unwilling convert." > > This reminds me of a tearful phone call I took one Monday morning from a > designer. Over the weekend her company's IT fools had removed her Mac and > substituted a PC. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear
On Nov 8, 2009, at 12:34 AM, David K Watson wrote: Don't be so hard on her, Tom. She has a brother to do all her computer service for her, for free. As I said, "unwilling convert." This reminds me of a tearful phone call I took one Monday morning from a designer. Over the weekend her company's IT fools had removed her Mac and substituted a PC. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 7 Nov 2009 - Special issue (#2009-996)
On Nov 8, 2009, at 1:03 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: Some of that is the duration of the outages. The Sidekick mess was a few a week or two, Mobileme was prolonged. Google was out for what a few hours? Every one is going to have server problems but the time it takes to remedy the situation should be part of the outrage level. At the time I posted about the M$ $idekick $crewup the story was that there was no backup and all user files were permanently lost. Only WFBs thought that was hokedokey. But this is a standard tactic of the radical right. Just look at how they go after Nancy Polosy. They hardly ever take her on over any specific issue. They attack her solely because she exists. In the technical discussions conducted on this list this tactic is especially idiotic. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 7 Nov 2009 - Special issue (#2009-996)
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:17 AM, David K Watson wrote: > I am not going to argue any general claims, but in this case go > back and read Tom's posts when MobileMe was having all its > service problems the first times Apple tried to put in Exchange > support. Tom was at least as unhappy with Apple over that as > he was over MS's recent problems with Sidekick phone data. > > Consider also that Google has had several notable service > failures a couple of times since then, particularly with email > and search, but I don't recall Tom being nearly so critical > about that. So it is possible to argue that in this case, Tom > is harder on Apple than he is on Google. > > Some of that is the duration of the outages. The Sidekick mess was a few a week or two, Mobileme was prolonged. Google was out for what a few hours? Every one is going to have server problems but the time it takes to remedy the situation should be part of the outrage level. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Moto droid by Andy ihnatko
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:59 PM, db wrote: > REALLY??? > > Does that mean I could get an iPhone and find someone to unlock it and put > my chip in it for $49??? > Uh Oh! ... Just realized ... I guess as it stands now I would have to > contractually pay ATT/Apple until my 2 yr. contract ran out anyway. > And I would have to buy a T-Mobile data plan too. That would be $39. > $49 + $39 = $90 which is a lot better than ATT's $130 ... but the ATT > contract is the killer for now. > I will have to wait until Apple sells the iPhone to the other carriers. > I did a quick google last night for this and it appears they use different kinds of 3g networks. The older iPhones or a 3g with the 3g turned off can be made to work. I think means it is only using the EDGE network. Anyone know when that will be? > > When Steve tells us so. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: > I don't think so. > > Ever seen an auto company advertising improved fuel economy, better handling, > etc.? > > Ever seen "New & Improved! 25% More Fiber!" on a cereal box? > > This is a constant theme, and the previous "shortcomings" are implicit. Implicit is not the same thing as making direct and unmistakable references to something. That difference is what I was pointing out in the current crop of televised Microsoft ads for Windows 7. Once again, and for all those who are touchy on this subject, I was not making a complaint about the Microsoft ads nor was I denigrating their product. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear
> > My point of course being that everything that sells a newer version says the > > same thing. > > Not at all. It is almost unheard of for a manufacturer to advertise > the shortcomings of their product. I don't think so. Ever seen an auto company advertising improved fuel economy, better handling, etc.? Ever seen "New & Improved! 25% More Fiber!" on a cereal box? This is a constant theme, and the previous "shortcomings" are implicit. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zire 31 project
Try Tech Republic (ZDNet). They often times have videos on all these devices and their inner workings. From: "Stephen Brownfield" Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:41 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [CGUYS] Zire 31 project I have a couple of old Palm Zire 31 PDAs. I am planing on taking them apart and seeing if I can put one working PDA together from the peices. Does anyone know where I might be able to get some schematics of the Zire 31 to use as a guide for this project? Thanks Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Real Windows 7 Reviews Start to Appear
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:04 PM, mike wrote: > My point of course being that everything that sells a newer version says the > same thing. Not at all. It is almost unheard of for a manufacturer to advertise the shortcomings of their product. In that vein I actually commend Microsoft for being so forthright, even if it is being done in order to promote and sell the new version of their operating system. > They marketed snow cat among other ways by saying it didn't > take up gigs of diskspace like leopard did. It didn't suck as much. They > also marketed it as faster then previous versions, which MS does with > 7...but of course you only go after MS. It would be a more genuine > complaint if you didn't ignore it from one company and point at it with > another as if it's a bad thing. Again, it is not a bad thing that Microsoft is indicating, by way of their ads for Windows 7, the shortcomings of previous operating system offerings. It is only a bit odd in the advertising world to do so, especially in light of the fact that most users of those previous versions of Windows swear by it, continue to stick with Windows and seem to think it works just fine. Just read what Windows users have to say on this list and one would begin to wonder why Microsoft felt they had to release a new version at all. Also, Apple's new version of their OS is called Snow Leopard, not snow cat. Their advertisements do not refer to the "gigs of diskspace" that Leopard required nor do they hint at how much Leopard sucked. Their ads do not contain references from Mac users about problems they had with previous OS X releases. Perhaps it is just that I have not seen those ads that you speak of. To be factual about it, I was not issuing a complaint as you have suggested. I was merely commenting about the unusual step that Microsoft had taken in the manner by which they constructed their current television ad campaign for Windows 7. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
