Re: [CGUYS] epson workforce 610

2010-01-11 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I know that many of us (Except a few on this list) are constrained by 
budgets when we choose computer accessories.


But I have found that when I buy a budget printer I get exactly what 
I paid for.


The Workforce line from Epson is supposed to be pretty good.

Also look at the HP office jet line.  The L series is extremely 
good.  Duplexing, networking etc.  Plus it uses multiple cartridges 
(4 color) not AIO color carts.


I bought a L7650 this summer for just over $100, it was a refurb.  I 
have been extremely pleased with it, plus I got an extra paper tray 
for $25 and put it on.


Their newer series is 8500 series.  Look closely and figure out how 
much you really want to pay for this printer.  Spend a little more 
and get what you need, you are investing money in this thing.  You 
want one that will last a few years.


Check Epsons and see what they have in refurbs.  the RX700 I bought 
was a refurb, and it sold for over 200 new but I paid just over 100 
and free shipping from Epson.


Check HP's refurbs (I have found their prices are usually not a great deal.)

Finally check out www.compgeek.com for refurb printers.

Most of all read reviews of any printer you want to buy FIRST.  You 
will be reading real peoples reactions to these printers.


Look long and hard before you leap.

Stewart


At 10:22 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote:

Talk to others first and read reviews.

One of my members bought one of these and returned it he was that 
disappointed.


Ended up getting an HP.

Stewart


At 10:15 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote:

Ok...now I can't make up any mind.  Fry's electronics has a refurb to
factory spec samsung color laser for 110 dollars.  This seems closer to our
need, will give us some color when we need it, but will also handle the
output for my wife's school needs.



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Re: [CGUYS] epson workforce 610

2010-01-11 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

Talk to others first and read reviews.

One of my members bought one of these and returned it he was that disappointed.

Ended up getting an HP.

Stewart


At 10:15 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote:

Ok...now I can't make up any mind.  Fry's electronics has a refurb to
factory spec samsung color laser for 110 dollars.  This seems closer to our
need, will give us some color when we need it, but will also handle the
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Re: [CGUYS] epson workforce 610

2010-01-11 Thread mike
Ok...now I can't make up any mind.  Fry's electronics has a refurb to
factory spec samsung color laser for 110 dollars.  This seems closer to our
need, will give us some color when we need it, but will also handle the
output for my wife's school needs.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Darrell Anon wrote:

> On 1/11/10, Rev. Stewart Marshall  wrote:
> > I do both.
> >
> > I have a B&W laser that I urge the family to use for everyday
> > printing that does not need color.
> >
> > However when it is time for color I like the AIO.
> >
> > The fax works great especially for RECEIVING FAXES.  Very rarely do I
> > send one, but I do get them in.  Computers do not work for this much
> > anymore (unless you have a fax modem installed)
> >
> > Plus the AIO's are great document scanners.  I love having the ADF's
> > on them for doing a lot of scanning work.  I cannot buy a flat bed
> > with ADF for less than the AIO's and often they are much
> > cheaper.  Plus I have had the printer fail before the scanner in many
> cases.
> >
> > And just for discussion sake.  I much prefer the Epson scanners to the
> HP's.
> >
> > If I have to scan in a picture etc.  I will use my Epson and not the
> > HP.  Documents HP is OK.  I think it is in the software, I have seen
> > numerous comments that their software interface sucks.
> >
> > To add to this discussion.  For bulk scanning of documents.  Which do
> > you prefer, Omnipage, Abby Press or Paperport?
> >
> > Stewart
> >
> >
> > At 04:40 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote:
> >>Mike
> >>
> >>While AIO and wireless are attractive features, do you really need
> >>color? I just bought two laser cartridges for our printers, one was
> >>$25 for 2000+ copies, the other was on sale for <$20 for 2500+
> >>copies. Color inkjet cartridges cost many times more. Is it worth it?
> >>
> >>Do you really need an all-in-one? When was the last time you sent a
> >>fax that wasn't created on your computer? My Mac has built-in fax
> >>software. I have a separate scanner, too. When the scanner and/or
> >>fax break in the AIO will you buy a new one? Scanner bulbs burn out.
> >>Then you're left with an oversized printer.
> >>
> >>We have a Brother wireless printer--no fax, no scanner. Works great.
> >>Small footprint. Inexpensive to buy and to use.
> >>
> >>Betty
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Re: [CGUYS] Canon i9900 prints reds and pinks where gray should be.

2010-01-11 Thread Robert Carroll

rocky lee wrote:

I have a Canon i9900 that is printing reds and pinks where it should be 
printing grays. I tried flipping and switching color space and profiles, but 
what it came down to was paper selection.

If 'plain' paper is chosen, the colors print pretty close to what I see.

If any other choice of paper, photo, photo glossy, photo matte, etc. is 
selected, the images get a rose colored tint.

I suspected a bad color profile, but then I switched the printer to another 
computer and it repeated the tinting. On plain paper, it was fine.
On the others, the color was skewed.

Any thoughts or ideas?

Thanks,

Rocky
  
Did you simply switch paper (only), did you switch the media type in the 
properties section without changing paper, or did you match the media 
type with the actual paper being printed upon?


If the media type doesn't match the kind of paper in the printer, a 
slight change in color may be expected. 

If the color change is large, then probably the print head needs 
cleaning.  Use the maintenance section of the printer properties to 
print first a nozzle check, then followed by cleaning or deep cleaning 
if warranted.  You may have to clean several times before more drastic 
action is required. 

The nozzle check will surely tell you if the print head is clogged.  If 
not clogged, or the colors appear right on the nozzle check then suspect 
some other problem than the nozzle.  There is a possibility that 
something else is wrong with the printer other than the nozzle, either 
hardware or software.  Investigate this before proceeding.


If the printer is under warranty, try to get a replacement from Canon.  
Be sure to remove all non-Canon ink cartridges and replace with Canon 
cartridges before taking/sending for warranty repair. 

If not under warranty, you will have to remove the print head and 
clean.  Observe how it fits in the tray so that you can replace it after 
removal.  Do the removal as a last resort, and be gentle.Try a 
bottle of compressed air first; don't blow too close to the print head, 
and blow into the nozzles from the nozzle side, not the ink side. 
Replace & see if the problem is fixed.  If needed soak the print head by 
putting several paper towels, folded, on a plate and wet them well with 
water.  Place the nozzle area onto the towels and let them soak for one 
or two hours.  Let head dry completely, and see if OK.  If not, then add 
some Windex Original Formula to the water and try soaking again, using a 
new paper towel.  If this still doesn't work, you likely need to buy a 
new print head, so you can throw caution to the wind.  Repeat the 
soaking but with some household ammonia added to the water in the 
towels.  If this still doesn't work, there is probably no hope for the 
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Re: [CGUYS] epson workforce 610

2010-01-11 Thread Darrell Anon
On 1/11/10, Rev. Stewart Marshall  wrote:
> I do both.
>
> I have a B&W laser that I urge the family to use for everyday
> printing that does not need color.
>
> However when it is time for color I like the AIO.
>
> The fax works great especially for RECEIVING FAXES.  Very rarely do I
> send one, but I do get them in.  Computers do not work for this much
> anymore (unless you have a fax modem installed)
>
> Plus the AIO's are great document scanners.  I love having the ADF's
> on them for doing a lot of scanning work.  I cannot buy a flat bed
> with ADF for less than the AIO's and often they are much
> cheaper.  Plus I have had the printer fail before the scanner in many cases.
>
> And just for discussion sake.  I much prefer the Epson scanners to the HP's.
>
> If I have to scan in a picture etc.  I will use my Epson and not the
> HP.  Documents HP is OK.  I think it is in the software, I have seen
> numerous comments that their software interface sucks.
>
> To add to this discussion.  For bulk scanning of documents.  Which do
> you prefer, Omnipage, Abby Press or Paperport?
>
> Stewart
>
>
> At 04:40 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote:
>>Mike
>>
>>While AIO and wireless are attractive features, do you really need
>>color? I just bought two laser cartridges for our printers, one was
>>$25 for 2000+ copies, the other was on sale for <$20 for 2500+
>>copies. Color inkjet cartridges cost many times more. Is it worth it?
>>
>>Do you really need an all-in-one? When was the last time you sent a
>>fax that wasn't created on your computer? My Mac has built-in fax
>>software. I have a separate scanner, too. When the scanner and/or
>>fax break in the AIO will you buy a new one? Scanner bulbs burn out.
>>Then you're left with an oversized printer.
>>
>>We have a Brother wireless printer--no fax, no scanner. Works great.
>>Small footprint. Inexpensive to buy and to use.
>>
>>Betty
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Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...

2010-01-11 Thread mike
Or are they answering a request by Ford etc?

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 6:40 PM, t.piwowar  wrote:

> On Jan 11, 2010, at 1:12 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> One of the bigger news stories coming out of the Consumer
>> Electronics Show in Las Vegas is the huge emphasis on the part of car
>> makers to provide drivers with full blown internet connectivity while
>> they are driving.
>>
>
> Isn't M$ the one making the major push to get this into cars?
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Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...

2010-01-11 Thread t.piwowar

On Jan 11, 2010, at 1:12 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

One of the bigger news stories coming out of the Consumer
Electronics Show in Las Vegas is the huge emphasis on the part of car
makers to provide drivers with full blown internet connectivity while
they are driving.


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Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...

2010-01-11 Thread Eric S. Sande

I dont live in a high traffic area.  (Southern Alabama lets get real)


I ride a bicycle in DC traffic.  Have for years.  Successfully, so far.

I see people yakking on handheld cells all the time (which is allegedly
illegal) while driving.

The cops don't do anything about it.  A cyclist sees a lot of this craziness 
going on.  I happened to be in Tennessee when I saw a guy

nearly collide his Lexus into a semi at 70 mph.  No, I wasn't on a
bicycle at the time.  I was in a Ford.  But that kind of thing happens all 
the time.


In aviation, it's called "task load".  You can pick and train the absolute
elite people and build the best interfaces possible and there will still be 
a

point at which the user will be overwhelmed or distracted.

The classic case is flight 401.

http://www.freshgasflow.com/flight401.htm

There was no attenrion to anything but a burned out lightbulb.

It's VERY hard to concentrate on what's actually important when
the device is demanding attention.


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Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...

2010-01-11 Thread chad evans wyatt
Steve, meet the folks who would tell you that all you saw was a chimera, 
dodging your gps-obsessed vaneer:  http://www.ce.org/

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, phartz...@gmail.com  wrote:

From: phartz...@gmail.com 
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 6:29 PM

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Mike Sloane  wrote:

> A distraction is a distraction, whether it is spoken or poking buttons. The
> skills of the average driver these days are bad enough without adding this
> kind of foolishness.

  Last Monday, I was a passenger in a car and I observed a fellow in
front of us who was trying to input some information into a GPS unit
that was mounted on his windshield as he was moving down the road at
about 45 mph.  I had noticed his vehicle, a minivan, weaving around as
the car I was riding in kept getting closer, and at first I assumed he
was on a cell phone.  Getting closer revealed that the he was working
with his GPS unit, and that was the cause of his weaving about on the
roadway.  He suddenly weaved to the right again, this time forcing
someone in a pickup truck in the right lane to have to dodge onto the
shoulder of the road in order to avoid a collision.  The guy farting
around with the GPS unit remained totally unaware and apparently
oblivious to the problems he was creating.  A pox on all these
electronic and other distracting devices in vehicles.  A pox on those
who futz around with them while driving as well.

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Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...

2010-01-11 Thread rleesimon
Anyone got Jupiter Jack?  Is that thing any good?

-Original Message-
From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 1:13 PM
Subject: Cars and the CES...

  One of the bigger news stories coming out of the Consumer
Electronics Show in Las Vegas is the huge emphasis on the part of car
makers to provide drivers with full blown internet connectivity while
they are driving.  Ford is pushing their Internet Dashboard which will
let drivers Tweet, to update their Facebook page, write and receive
e-mails, watch Youtube videos, search the internet, or do anything
else that they would normally do while they safely sit at a desk at
home.  Critics say the auto industry must be deaf, dumb and blind to
safety issues already made perfectly obvious by drivers who use their
cell phones or other electronic devices while operating their
vehicles, or do other things that distract them while behind the
wheel.  Critics are calling this a disaster in the making while the
industry says they are just trying to sell cars by meeting the
"demands" of consumers.

  Yeah, all my friends and acquaintances have been screaming bloody
murder for years to be able to use the internet while driving, haven't
yours?

  Steve

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Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...

2010-01-11 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Mike Sloane  wrote:

> A distraction is a distraction, whether it is spoken or poking buttons. The
> skills of the average driver these days are bad enough without adding this
> kind of foolishness.

  Last Monday, I was a passenger in a car and I observed a fellow in
front of us who was trying to input some information into a GPS unit
that was mounted on his windshield as he was moving down the road at
about 45 mph.  I had noticed his vehicle, a minivan, weaving around as
the car I was riding in kept getting closer, and at first I assumed he
was on a cell phone.  Getting closer revealed that the he was working
with his GPS unit, and that was the cause of his weaving about on the
roadway.  He suddenly weaved to the right again, this time forcing
someone in a pickup truck in the right lane to have to dodge onto the
shoulder of the road in order to avoid a collision.  The guy farting
around with the GPS unit remained totally unaware and apparently
oblivious to the problems he was creating.  A pox on all these
electronic and other distracting devices in vehicles.  A pox on those
who futz around with them while driving as well.

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Re: [CGUYS] Re-pairing Bluetooth headphones with the transmitter

2010-01-11 Thread MrMike6by9
You might want to see if other bluetooth devices are in the immediate
surroundings.

A couple of years ago, I shared a hotel room with a friend whilst on
vacation. I was trying to help him pair his new headset to his new
phone. It didn't work at first but I soon realized that the headset
had paired with my laptop across the room from us.

Similarly, I've gone to my car to pre heat it to clean the windscreen,
etc. I've seen it acknowledge the presence of my phone even though
that phone was still in my house at the time.

YMMV

> Subject: Re-pairing Bluetooth headphones with the transmitter
>
> I recently tried pairing my Bluetooth headphones with my laptop, with 
> intermittent success.  Now I can't get the 'phones re-paired with the 
> transmitter that plugs into my iPod.  I followed the instructions for 
> re-pairing the 2 units, but no luck.  This is a LogitechFreePulse Wireless, 
> about 3 years old.  tia.
>

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Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...

2010-01-11 Thread rleesimon
Let the bumper cars game begin!!

Wasn't there one company who wanted to put a holographic overlay on the
windshield so you could drive and surf at the same time??

In this area, you can get a full ticket (not a secondary offense) for using
the fone or having the phone in your hand (must be speakerphone or hands
free and must be put down somewhere) ...they instituted the law and many
thousands of tickets have been written but just about half or more of the
drivers I encounter on the road have their cell glued to their ear with
their hand to it ...especially school bus drivers, oil&gas truck drivers,
teen girls in noisy cars, and just about every police car I see.

The thing is out of control.  A kid on a fone rear ended our car with
whiplash to my wife and never got a ticket for it.

Of course, the police chief of that town is now in jail for stealing money
from a charity...

Sometimes life is to ridiculous to live...

-Original Message-
From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 1:13 PM
Subject: Cars and the CES...

  One of the bigger news stories coming out of the Consumer
Electronics Show in Las Vegas is the huge emphasis on the part of car
makers to provide drivers with full blown internet connectivity while
they are driving.  Ford is pushing their Internet Dashboard which will
let drivers Tweet, to update their Facebook page, write and receive
e-mails, watch Youtube videos, search the internet, or do anything
else that they would normally do while they safely sit at a desk at
home.  Critics say the auto industry must be deaf, dumb and blind to
safety issues already made perfectly obvious by drivers who use their
cell phones or other electronic devices while operating their
vehicles, or do other things that distract them while behind the
wheel.  Critics are calling this a disaster in the making while the
industry says they are just trying to sell cars by meeting the
"demands" of consumers.

  Yeah, all my friends and acquaintances have been screaming bloody
murder for years to be able to use the internet while driving, haven't
yours?

  Steve

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Re: [CGUYS] epson workforce 610

2010-01-11 Thread mike
Yes we've been tossing around the same questions.  We have a small HP laser,
refills locally at a dealer are 65 bux.  We think the drum may be going out
because for about the last 3rd of the cycle it's been dropping toner on the
left side.  I faxed today...last week twice.

But yes, these things you list are on our minds.  Thanks for putting it out
there.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:40 PM, b_s-wilk  wrote:

> Mike
>
> While AIO and wireless are attractive features, do you really need color? I
> just bought two laser cartridges for our printers, one was $25 for 2000+
> copies, the other was on sale for <$20 for 2500+ copies. Color inkjet
> cartridges cost many times more. Is it worth it?
>
> Do you really need an all-in-one? When was the last time you sent a fax
> that wasn't created on your computer? My Mac has built-in fax software. I
> have a separate scanner, too. When the scanner and/or fax break in the AIO
> will you buy a new one? Scanner bulbs burn out. Then you're left with an
> oversized printer.
>
> We have a Brother wireless printer--no fax, no scanner. Works great. Small
> footprint. Inexpensive to buy and to use.
>
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Re: [CGUYS] epson workforce 610

2010-01-11 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

I do both.

I have a B&W laser that I urge the family to use for everyday 
printing that does not need color.


However when it is time for color I like the AIO.

The fax works great especially for RECEIVING FAXES.  Very rarely do I 
send one, but I do get them in.  Computers do not work for this much 
anymore (unless you have a fax modem installed)


Plus the AIO's are great document scanners.  I love having the ADF's 
on them for doing a lot of scanning work.  I cannot buy a flat bed 
with ADF for less than the AIO's and often they are much 
cheaper.  Plus I have had the printer fail before the scanner in many cases.


And just for discussion sake.  I much prefer the Epson scanners to the HP's.

If I have to scan in a picture etc.  I will use my Epson and not the 
HP.  Documents HP is OK.  I think it is in the software, I have seen 
numerous comments that their software interface sucks.


To add to this discussion.  For bulk scanning of documents.  Which do 
you prefer, Omnipage, Abby Press or Paperport?


Stewart


At 04:40 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote:

Mike

While AIO and wireless are attractive features, do you really need 
color? I just bought two laser cartridges for our printers, one was 
$25 for 2000+ copies, the other was on sale for <$20 for 2500+ 
copies. Color inkjet cartridges cost many times more. Is it worth it?


Do you really need an all-in-one? When was the last time you sent a 
fax that wasn't created on your computer? My Mac has built-in fax 
software. I have a separate scanner, too. When the scanner and/or 
fax break in the AIO will you buy a new one? Scanner bulbs burn out. 
Then you're left with an oversized printer.


We have a Brother wireless printer--no fax, no scanner. Works great. 
Small footprint. Inexpensive to buy and to use.


Betty



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Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...

2010-01-11 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

I dont live in a high traffic area.  (Southern Alabama lets get real)

But 9 times out of 10 when someone cuts me off, or does something 
stupid while driving I see the * phone plastered to their face.


What is even worse is parking lots, where they make stupid decisions 
and pay no attention to anything around them except that phone.


Stewart


At 04:35 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote:
A distraction is a distraction, whether it is spoken or poking 
buttons. The skills of the average driver these days are bad enough 
without adding this kind of foolishness. I firmly believe that when 
you are behind the wheel of a powered vehicle, that is you whole job 
of the moment, and nothing else should be occupy your attention. 
Maybe the traffic around Washington DC is more forgiving, but here 
in NJ, it is bumper to bumper 4 lanes wide at 70+ mph. You cannot 
let your mind off the road even for a couple of seconds, let alone 
minutes. I am not a Luddite, but I think that "social networking" 
technology has its place, and vehicle operation has its place, but 
they do not overlap.


Mike


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net
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Re: [CGUYS] epson workforce 610

2010-01-11 Thread b_s-wilk

Mike

While AIO and wireless are attractive features, do you really need 
color? I just bought two laser cartridges for our printers, one was $25 
for 2000+ copies, the other was on sale for <$20 for 2500+ copies. Color 
inkjet cartridges cost many times more. Is it worth it?


Do you really need an all-in-one? When was the last time you sent a fax 
that wasn't created on your computer? My Mac has built-in fax software. 
I have a separate scanner, too. When the scanner and/or fax break in the 
AIO will you buy a new one? Scanner bulbs burn out. Then you're left 
with an oversized printer.


We have a Brother wireless printer--no fax, no scanner. Works great. 
Small footprint. Inexpensive to buy and to use.


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Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...

2010-01-11 Thread Mike Sloane
A distraction is a distraction, whether it is spoken or poking buttons. 
The skills of the average driver these days are bad enough without 
adding this kind of foolishness. I firmly believe that when you are 
behind the wheel of a powered vehicle, that is you whole job of the 
moment, and nothing else should be occupy your attention. Maybe the 
traffic around Washington DC is more forgiving, but here in NJ, it is 
bumper to bumper 4 lanes wide at 70+ mph. You cannot let your mind off 
the road even for a couple of seconds, let alone minutes. I am not a 
Luddite, but I think that "social networking" technology has its place, 
and vehicle operation has its place, but they do not overlap.


Mike

John Duncan Yoyo wrote:

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:12 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:


 One of the bigger news stories coming out of the Consumer
Electronics Show in Las Vegas is the huge emphasis on the part of car
makers to provide drivers with full blown internet connectivity while
they are driving.  Ford is pushing their Internet Dashboard which will
let drivers Tweet, to update their Facebook page, write and receive
e-mails, watch Youtube videos, search the internet, or do anything
else that they would normally do while they safely sit at a desk at
home.  Critics say the auto industry must be deaf, dumb and blind to
safety issues already made perfectly obvious by drivers who use their
cell phones or other electronic devices while operating their
vehicles, or do other things that distract them while behind the
wheel.  Critics are calling this a disaster in the making while the
industry says they are just trying to sell cars by meeting the
"demands" of consumers.

FWIW the big Ford selling point is voice recognition.  The SYNC which gives

speech to text a whole new meaning.  It will also read your text messages to
you if you have a compatible phone.  I can also find songs in your iPod for
you by a vocal request.  They currently have versions with a screen and
without.

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Re: [CGUYS] epson workforce 610

2010-01-11 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

I remember that but it was only for newer carts.

My RX700 does not use a chip so I have had no problems.

the CX8400 does have a chip and I am pretty sure these are from off 
shore.  They are a two piecer.  A tank  with ink, plus a shell with the chip.


They are not the same quality as Epson but they last just as long and 
are about 1/4 the price.  This is not my main printer so I am not as concerned.


I have an HP 7650 which is my main color ink jet (Office class from 
HP) and the refills for this are pretty inexpensive and I get more 
mileage from it.


Stewart

At 04:13 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote:

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:08 PM, mike  wrote:

> I know this is anecdotal, but I do have one friend who refuses to buy third
> party inks after one exploded in a printer bascially and ruined the
> printer.  Third party ink experiences?  Good or bad?  Company names?  I
> think barring an epson horror story we will probably get this printer...

  Epson won a lawsuit in the Unites States a few years ago that bars
third parties from replicating their cartridges, filling them with ink
and selling them.  A couple of companies designed carts that, while
not closely replicating the Epson ones, do work just fine in the
printers they were designed for.  Epson fumed a bit, but could not
really do anything about it.  However, because of that lawsuit, Epson
third party carts are hard to come by these days.  To my knowledge, no
other major printer makers have filed similar lawsuits.

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Re: [CGUYS] Canon i9900 prints reds and pinks where gray should be.

2010-01-11 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 4:52 PM, rocky lee  wrote:

> I have a Canon i9900 that is printing reds and pinks where it should be 
> printing grays. I tried flipping and switching color space and profiles, but 
> what it came down to was paper selection.
>
> If 'plain' paper is chosen, the colors print pretty close to what I see.
>
> If any other choice of paper, photo, photo glossy, photo matte, etc. is 
> selected, the images get a rose colored tint.
>
> I suspected a bad color profile, but then I switched the printer to another 
> computer and it repeated the tinting. On plain paper, it was fine.
> On the others, the color was skewed.
>
> Any thoughts or ideas?

  I have seen this before with Canon printers.  I am going to suggest
that you remove the printhead, if it is user removable, and a number
of Canon models do have easily removable printheads, and clean it out.
 Use distilled water.  You can find instructions on how to do this on
the internet.  Said instructions may not be exact per your printer,
but the methodology is about the same.  Inject the water into the
printhead, thus flushing it out well, let 'er dry, pop the head back
in, load your carts and see what transpires.  You can probaly find
instructions of you search on something like "clean canon printhead."
I have found these instruction previously, so I know they are out
there and folks say it worked for them.

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Re: [CGUYS] epson workforce 610

2010-01-11 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:08 PM, mike  wrote:

> I know this is anecdotal, but I do have one friend who refuses to buy third
> party inks after one exploded in a printer bascially and ruined the
> printer.  Third party ink experiences?  Good or bad?  Company names?  I
> think barring an epson horror story we will probably get this printer...

  Epson won a lawsuit in the Unites States a few years ago that bars
third parties from replicating their cartridges, filling them with ink
and selling them.  A couple of companies designed carts that, while
not closely replicating the Epson ones, do work just fine in the
printers they were designed for.  Epson fumed a bit, but could not
really do anything about it.  However, because of that lawsuit, Epson
third party carts are hard to come by these days.  To my knowledge, no
other major printer makers have filed similar lawsuits.

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Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...

2010-01-11 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
 wrote:

> Passengers yes, drivers no.

  Car makers want to say passengers yes and drivers yes.

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[CGUYS] Canon i9900 prints reds and pinks where gray should be.

2010-01-11 Thread rocky lee
I have a Canon i9900 that is printing reds and pinks where it should be 
printing grays. I tried flipping and switching color space and profiles, but 
what it came down to was paper selection.

If 'plain' paper is chosen, the colors print pretty close to what I see.

If any other choice of paper, photo, photo glossy, photo matte, etc. is 
selected, the images get a rose colored tint.

I suspected a bad color profile, but then I switched the printer to another 
computer and it repeated the tinting. On plain paper, it was fine.
On the others, the color was skewed.

Any thoughts or ideas?

Thanks,

Rocky



  


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[CGUYS] Re-pairing Bluetooth headphones with the transmitter

2010-01-11 Thread David Turk
I recently tried pairing my Bluetooth headphones with my laptop, with 
intermittent success.  Now I can't get the 'phones re-paired with the 
transmitter that plugs into my iPod.  I followed the instructions for 
re-pairing the 2 units, but no luck.  This is a LogitechFreePulse Wireless, 
about 3 years old.  tia.

  david

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Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...

2010-01-11 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:12 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

>  One of the bigger news stories coming out of the Consumer
> Electronics Show in Las Vegas is the huge emphasis on the part of car
> makers to provide drivers with full blown internet connectivity while
> they are driving.  Ford is pushing their Internet Dashboard which will
> let drivers Tweet, to update their Facebook page, write and receive
> e-mails, watch Youtube videos, search the internet, or do anything
> else that they would normally do while they safely sit at a desk at
> home.  Critics say the auto industry must be deaf, dumb and blind to
> safety issues already made perfectly obvious by drivers who use their
> cell phones or other electronic devices while operating their
> vehicles, or do other things that distract them while behind the
> wheel.  Critics are calling this a disaster in the making while the
> industry says they are just trying to sell cars by meeting the
> "demands" of consumers.
>
> FWIW the big Ford selling point is voice recognition.  The SYNC which gives
speech to text a whole new meaning.  It will also read your text messages to
you if you have a compatible phone.  I can also find songs in your iPod for
you by a vocal request.  They currently have versions with a screen and
without.

www.*ford*vehicles.com/discover*sync*/

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Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...

2010-01-11 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
I will update my bumper sticker ASAP: "Jesus loves you: Text to meet
him!"

Thank you, 
Mark Snyder 

-Original Message- 
One of the bigger news stories coming out of the Consumer
Electronics Show in Las Vegas is the huge emphasis on the part of car
makers to provide drivers with full blown internet connectivity while
they are driving.  Ford is pushing their Internet Dashboard which will
let drivers Tweet, to update their Facebook page, write and receive
e-mails, watch Youtube videos, search the internet, or do anything
else that they would normally do while they safely sit at a desk at
home.  Critics say the auto industry must be deaf, dumb and blind to
safety issues already made perfectly obvious by drivers who use their
cell phones or other electronic devices while operating their
vehicles, or do other things that distract them while behind the
wheel.  Critics are calling this a disaster in the making while the
industry says they are just trying to sell cars by meeting the
"demands" of consumers.

  Yeah, all my friends and acquaintances have been screaming bloody
murder for years to be able to use the internet while driving, haven't
yours?


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Re: [CGUYS] epson workforce 610

2010-01-11 Thread mike
probably only comes .53 percent full too..

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Tony B  wrote:

> That's right, these things are under some pressure, aren't they? This
> Epson comes with full cartridges, but it tells you half of the first
> is needed for 'charging'.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:08 PM, mike  wrote:
> > I know this is anecdotal, but I do have one friend who refuses to buy
> third
> > party inks after one exploded in a printer bascially and ruined the
> > printer.  Third party ink experiences?  Good or bad?  Company names?  I
> > think barring an epson horror story we will probably get this printer...
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:54 AM, phartz...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:49 PM, David Turk 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Normally, I don't recommend using generic ink, but if you're not going
> >> for excellent color reproduction or archival quality, generics can save
> you
> >> $.
> >>
> >>   There are companies, but not a lot of them, that make "generic" inks
> >> for many printers that provide for better color reproduction and a
> >> higher degree of archival quality than the inks offered by the printer
> >> makers themselves.  These ink makers do not primarily cater to folks
> >> who are simply looking for cheaper inks for their printers, but rather
> >> to folks who seek very high quality inks for purposes usually related
> >> to the production of artwork.  Some of their basic are less expensive
> >> then what is offered by the printer manufacturer, while many of their
> >> higher-end inks are not, and some of their ink sets are not even
> >> offered by the printer maker, probably most specifically the quadtone
> >> inksets and carbon-based inks for black and white imaging.  These
> >> carbon-based inks can create b&w images that are virtually
> >> indistinguishable from real photographic silver prints.  Higher end
> >> inks are usually paired up with certain papers using ICC color
> >> profiles to be able to achieve the intended final result.
> >>
> >>  My point is that third-party ink makers are not necessarily
> >> providers of lesser quality inks.  However, most generic ink makers do
> >> not provide inks that are the equivalent of the original inks made by
> >> the printer manufacturer.  The best generic ink suppliers will give
> >> you information about how their inks stack up against the originals.
> >> They will do this by comparing the chemical analysis of their inks
> >> against the inks made by the printer manufacturer, including two
> >> important points, the viscosity and ph factors of the ink.
> >>
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Re: [CGUYS] epson workforce 610

2010-01-11 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

At present I have three different Epson printers.

RX700
R300
CX8400

I use generic cartridges in all.

The CX8400 uses chips and they have made a system that works 
successfully with the chips but it is not perfect.


Matter of fact the refills I got for the CX are from Ebay.

No blow ups no out right failures.

Just be aware that Epsons seems to go through a lot of ink.  Read 
reviews on Cnet first.


You should be able to get a comparable HP for a similar price and 
their cartridges seem to last longer.  (I have a few of those also)


Stewart




At 01:08 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote:

I know this is anecdotal, but I do have one friend who refuses to buy third
party inks after one exploded in a printer bascially and ruined the
printer.  Third party ink experiences?  Good or bad?  Company names?  I
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Re: [CGUYS] epson workforce 610

2010-01-11 Thread Tony B
That's right, these things are under some pressure, aren't they? This
Epson comes with full cartridges, but it tells you half of the first
is needed for 'charging'.


On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:08 PM, mike  wrote:
> I know this is anecdotal, but I do have one friend who refuses to buy third
> party inks after one exploded in a printer bascially and ruined the
> printer.  Third party ink experiences?  Good or bad?  Company names?  I
> think barring an epson horror story we will probably get this printer...
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:54 AM, phartz...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:49 PM, David Turk 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Normally, I don't recommend using generic ink, but if you're not going
>> for excellent color reproduction or archival quality, generics can save you
>> $.
>>
>>   There are companies, but not a lot of them, that make "generic" inks
>> for many printers that provide for better color reproduction and a
>> higher degree of archival quality than the inks offered by the printer
>> makers themselves.  These ink makers do not primarily cater to folks
>> who are simply looking for cheaper inks for their printers, but rather
>> to folks who seek very high quality inks for purposes usually related
>> to the production of artwork.  Some of their basic are less expensive
>> then what is offered by the printer manufacturer, while many of their
>> higher-end inks are not, and some of their ink sets are not even
>> offered by the printer maker, probably most specifically the quadtone
>> inksets and carbon-based inks for black and white imaging.  These
>> carbon-based inks can create b&w images that are virtually
>> indistinguishable from real photographic silver prints.  Higher end
>> inks are usually paired up with certain papers using ICC color
>> profiles to be able to achieve the intended final result.
>>
>>  My point is that third-party ink makers are not necessarily
>> providers of lesser quality inks.  However, most generic ink makers do
>> not provide inks that are the equivalent of the original inks made by
>> the printer manufacturer.  The best generic ink suppliers will give
>> you information about how their inks stack up against the originals.
>> They will do this by comparing the chemical analysis of their inks
>> against the inks made by the printer manufacturer, including two
>> important points, the viscosity and ph factors of the ink.
>>
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Re: [CGUYS] epson workforce 610

2010-01-11 Thread mike
I know this is anecdotal, but I do have one friend who refuses to buy third
party inks after one exploded in a printer bascially and ruined the
printer.  Third party ink experiences?  Good or bad?  Company names?  I
think barring an epson horror story we will probably get this printer...

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:54 AM, phartz...@gmail.com
wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:49 PM, David Turk 
> wrote:
>
> > Normally, I don't recommend using generic ink, but if you're not going
> for excellent color reproduction or archival quality, generics can save you
> $.
>
>   There are companies, but not a lot of them, that make "generic" inks
> for many printers that provide for better color reproduction and a
> higher degree of archival quality than the inks offered by the printer
> makers themselves.  These ink makers do not primarily cater to folks
> who are simply looking for cheaper inks for their printers, but rather
> to folks who seek very high quality inks for purposes usually related
> to the production of artwork.  Some of their basic are less expensive
> then what is offered by the printer manufacturer, while many of their
> higher-end inks are not, and some of their ink sets are not even
> offered by the printer maker, probably most specifically the quadtone
> inksets and carbon-based inks for black and white imaging.  These
> carbon-based inks can create b&w images that are virtually
> indistinguishable from real photographic silver prints.  Higher end
> inks are usually paired up with certain papers using ICC color
> profiles to be able to achieve the intended final result.
>
>  My point is that third-party ink makers are not necessarily
> providers of lesser quality inks.  However, most generic ink makers do
> not provide inks that are the equivalent of the original inks made by
> the printer manufacturer.  The best generic ink suppliers will give
> you information about how their inks stack up against the originals.
> They will do this by comparing the chemical analysis of their inks
> against the inks made by the printer manufacturer, including two
> important points, the viscosity and ph factors of the ink.
>
>  Steve
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Re: [CGUYS] epson workforce 610

2010-01-11 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:49 PM, David Turk  wrote:

> Normally, I don't recommend using generic ink, but if you're not going for 
> excellent color reproduction or archival quality, generics can save you $.

  There are companies, but not a lot of them, that make "generic" inks
for many printers that provide for better color reproduction and a
higher degree of archival quality than the inks offered by the printer
makers themselves.  These ink makers do not primarily cater to folks
who are simply looking for cheaper inks for their printers, but rather
to folks who seek very high quality inks for purposes usually related
to the production of artwork.  Some of their basic are less expensive
then what is offered by the printer manufacturer, while many of their
higher-end inks are not, and some of their ink sets are not even
offered by the printer maker, probably most specifically the quadtone
inksets and carbon-based inks for black and white imaging.  These
carbon-based inks can create b&w images that are virtually
indistinguishable from real photographic silver prints.  Higher end
inks are usually paired up with certain papers using ICC color
profiles to be able to achieve the intended final result.

  My point is that third-party ink makers are not necessarily
providers of lesser quality inks.  However, most generic ink makers do
not provide inks that are the equivalent of the original inks made by
the printer manufacturer.  The best generic ink suppliers will give
you information about how their inks stack up against the originals.
They will do this by comparing the chemical analysis of their inks
against the inks made by the printer manufacturer, including two
important points, the viscosity and ph factors of the ink.

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Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...

2010-01-11 Thread Tony B
At least Ford had the decency to disable some functions while the car
is in motion. But I hear some others haven't even bothered with that.

No, I haven't seen a huge desire to surf the web while driving. But if
you widen the definition to include voice and text then yes, people
fell for these very quickly.


On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:12 PM, phartz...@gmail.com
 wrote:
>  One of the bigger news stories coming out of the Consumer
> Electronics Show in Las Vegas is the huge emphasis on the part of car
> makers to provide drivers with full blown internet connectivity while
> they are driving.  Ford is pushing their Internet Dashboard which will
> let drivers Tweet, to update their Facebook page, write and receive
> e-mails, watch Youtube videos, search the internet, or do anything
> else that they would normally do while they safely sit at a desk at
> home.  Critics say the auto industry must be deaf, dumb and blind to
> safety issues already made perfectly obvious by drivers who use their
> cell phones or other electronic devices while operating their
> vehicles, or do other things that distract them while behind the
> wheel.  Critics are calling this a disaster in the making while the
> industry says they are just trying to sell cars by meeting the
> "demands" of consumers.
>
>  Yeah, all my friends and acquaintances have been screaming bloody
> murder for years to be able to use the internet while driving, haven't
> yours?
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Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...

2010-01-11 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

Passengers yes, drivers no.

Stewart


At 12:12 PM 1/11/2010, you wrote:

  One of the bigger news stories coming out of the Consumer
Electronics Show in Las Vegas is the huge emphasis on the part of car
makers to provide drivers with full blown internet connectivity while
they are driving.  Ford is pushing their Internet Dashboard which will
let drivers Tweet, to update their Facebook page, write and receive
e-mails, watch Youtube videos, search the internet, or do anything
else that they would normally do while they safely sit at a desk at
home.  Critics say the auto industry must be deaf, dumb and blind to
safety issues already made perfectly obvious by drivers who use their
cell phones or other electronic devices while operating their
vehicles, or do other things that distract them while behind the
wheel.  Critics are calling this a disaster in the making while the
industry says they are just trying to sell cars by meeting the
"demands" of consumers.

  Yeah, all my friends and acquaintances have been screaming bloody
murder for years to be able to use the internet while driving, haven't
yours?

  Steve

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[CGUYS] Cars and the CES...

2010-01-11 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
  One of the bigger news stories coming out of the Consumer
Electronics Show in Las Vegas is the huge emphasis on the part of car
makers to provide drivers with full blown internet connectivity while
they are driving.  Ford is pushing their Internet Dashboard which will
let drivers Tweet, to update their Facebook page, write and receive
e-mails, watch Youtube videos, search the internet, or do anything
else that they would normally do while they safely sit at a desk at
home.  Critics say the auto industry must be deaf, dumb and blind to
safety issues already made perfectly obvious by drivers who use their
cell phones or other electronic devices while operating their
vehicles, or do other things that distract them while behind the
wheel.  Critics are calling this a disaster in the making while the
industry says they are just trying to sell cars by meeting the
"demands" of consumers.

  Yeah, all my friends and acquaintances have been screaming bloody
murder for years to be able to use the internet while driving, haven't
yours?

  Steve

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Re: [CGUYS] epson workforce 610

2010-01-11 Thread David Turk
Normally, I don't recommend using generic ink, but if you're not going for 
excellent color reproduction or archival quality, generics can save you $.  
Innovera makes inks for several Epson models, & so far I haven't had a problem. 
 Nobody's going to give you a page count/cartridge figure.  The only way I 
calculated ours was to keep track for the first cartridge set vs. page count, & 
come up with a (very rough) estimate.  Of course, we'd already bought the 
printer.

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Subject: Re: [CGUYS] epson workforce 610

Oh I know that's how they make the money.  It looks on first glance about 65
bux to replace all four cartridges.  What I am having a hard time finding is
what kind of output I'm looking at for say just text, I really have no
idea.  200 pages on one black cartridge?  Less?  More?  I've either got to
spend 65 or 70 and replace out toner in the little laser we have...and hope
the drum isn't going out because it's printing..strangely...or get this
epson and deal with the increased ink costs but have the advantages of an
AIO and WIFI.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Tony B  wrote:

> That's the going price these days - Staples is also $99. As with all
> inkjets, where they make their profit is by selling you the ink
> cartridges. I can't imagine wireless setup would be easy if you
> couldn't do it via a control panel over USB. I mean, I can't imagine
> myself standing there and trying to manually key in our 64 bit WPA
> key.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:23 AM, mike  wrote:
> >
> http://www.amazon.com/Epson-Workforce-Wireless-Printer-C11CA50201/dp/B002JM1XOY
> >
> > That's 99 bux at fry's electronics, anyone have opinions?  Any reason NOT
> to
> > jump on this at that price?  Replacing a tired one my wife uses almost
> > exclusively for school.  Any thoughts appreciated.
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Re: [CGUYS] epson workforce 610

2010-01-11 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Ink jets I always look for individual color ink tanks.  I go through
yellow faster than everything else and on three ink tank would only half
empty the other two.  I tried to standardize to one brand of printer in the
house because I have Ink that works on both printers.

My Canon's have two black ink tanks a big one and a smaller one.  Downside
is that it still won't print if the black 5 tank is empty and the black 8
tank is full.
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Re: [CGUYS] epson workforce 610

2010-01-11 Thread mike
Oh I know that's how they make the money.  It looks on first glance about 65
bux to replace all four cartridges.  What I am having a hard time finding is
what kind of output I'm looking at for say just text, I really have no
idea.  200 pages on one black cartridge?  Less?  More?  I've either got to
spend 65 or 70 and replace out toner in the little laser we have...and hope
the drum isn't going out because it's printing..strangely...or get this
epson and deal with the increased ink costs but have the advantages of an
AIO and WIFI.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Tony B  wrote:

> That's the going price these days - Staples is also $99. As with all
> inkjets, where they make their profit is by selling you the ink
> cartridges. I can't imagine wireless setup would be easy if you
> couldn't do it via a control panel over USB. I mean, I can't imagine
> myself standing there and trying to manually key in our 64 bit WPA
> key.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:23 AM, mike  wrote:
> >
> http://www.amazon.com/Epson-Workforce-Wireless-Printer-C11CA50201/dp/B002JM1XOY
> >
> > That's 99 bux at fry's electronics, anyone have opinions?  Any reason NOT
> to
> > jump on this at that price?  Replacing a tired one my wife uses almost
> > exclusively for school.  Any thoughts appreciated.
>
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Re: [CGUYS] epson workforce 610

2010-01-11 Thread Tony B
That's the going price these days - Staples is also $99. As with all
inkjets, where they make their profit is by selling you the ink
cartridges. I can't imagine wireless setup would be easy if you
couldn't do it via a control panel over USB. I mean, I can't imagine
myself standing there and trying to manually key in our 64 bit WPA
key.


On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:23 AM, mike  wrote:
> http://www.amazon.com/Epson-Workforce-Wireless-Printer-C11CA50201/dp/B002JM1XOY
>
> That's 99 bux at fry's electronics, anyone have opinions?  Any reason NOT to
> jump on this at that price?  Replacing a tired one my wife uses almost
> exclusively for school.  Any thoughts appreciated.


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