Re: [CGUYS] An internet pioneer rethinks his position
Not surprising, he is also a musician (which neither confirms nor invalidates his opinion). - Original Message From: Constance Warner cawar...@his.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 12:55:07 AM Subject: [CGUYS] An internet pioneer rethinks his position A provocative article in Tuesday's Science Times (the New York Times Science pages, http://www.nytimes.com/pages/science/): The Madness of Crowds and an Internet Delusion by John Tierney Internet pioneer Jaron Lanier is having second thoughts about the brave new world of the Internet, for example: His new book, You Are Not a Gadget, is a manifesto against 'hive thinking' and 'digital Maoism,' by which he means the glorification of open-source software, free information and collective work at the expense of individual creativity...He acknowledges the examples of generous collaboration, like Wikipedia, but argues that the mantras of 'open culture' and 'information wants to be free' have produced a destructive new social contract. 'The basic idea of this contract,' he writes, 'is that authors, journalists, musicians and artists are encouraged to treat the fruits of their intellects and imaginations as fragments to be given without pay to the hive mind. Reciprocity takes the form of self-promotion. Culture is to become precisely nothing but advertising...Creative people--the new peasants--come to resemble animals converging on shrinking oases of old media in a depleted desert...' Mr. Lanier, once an advocate for piracy but now one of its strongest critics, argues that the ability of consumers to copy music and other artistic products without paying for them--or adequately compensating the artists in any other way--has effectively frozen music and other arts in their pre-digital format. He asserts that most of the acts that have done well by selling t-shirts on the Web, or offering downloads for what the consumer wants to pay for them, were actually well established before music and other arts were fully digital and downloadable. Denied meaningful compensation for their efforts, artists have little reason to put out anything really new and different, and new groups have a much harder time getting established. Food for thought. --Constance Warner * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives
How can FireWire be superior to eSata? I thought eSata made your external essentially the same as one installed inside the case. - Original Message From: Reid Katan ka...@his.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wed, December 2, 2009 1:12:35 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives Quoting b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es: FireWire is far superior to USB and eSATA, but if you don't know about it or don't have FW peripherals or video cameras, you won't demand the best and will be stuck with the usual L.C.D. if Apple decides to discontinue FW in the future. The one advantage I've noticed for FireWire is that, on my iBook, it spun down the drive after a certain time of inactivity. I never noticed that (with the same drive) on my Windows machines with USB. I don't know if it's an OS or FW/USB thing or what, but it sure would be nice to have them spin down if I'm not using them for a while. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] A Tale of Two Hard Drives: Apple's Secret Wea pon?
I bought Cyberpower a number of years ago and am gratified to hear they are still in business. I once bought a Mac mini and though it is a nice little machine, I did resent the hard sell to sign up for Apple support plan (I don't consider that an anectdote because it undoubtedly reflects a company policy - imho). I need to choose a settop and thought about a mini, but then checked out System76 for a linux machine. The used to have a mini competitor (same form factor) and I was disappointed to see it removed from the product line-up. They did have a small form factor box that was obviously a set-top (Meerkat Ion, the Meerkat is even cheaper). It comes installed with Ubuntu and it is a really sweet machined. Souped up with 4GB and as 320G hd it came in at the starting price for a mini and has a broad array of ports for media.(HDMI, AVI, DVI, 6 usb, esata) It has worked great for general uses (haven't tried development, and am not interested in gaming - bought an PS2 cheap for the kids to that purpose). Firefox works so much better under Ubuntu than Windows. I am stoked. The only things I miss from the mini are the remote (though I bought a streamzap which I have yet to install though a wireless kbd-mouse I might prefer) and then theres the issue of iTunes and my downloaded tv shows. I am going to try to see how intunes on XP under VMWARE works as a solution. If it is does, absolutely no regrets. It is going to be my recommendation for the next grandma machine someone solicits. - Original Message From: mike xha...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Sun, November 29, 2009 7:18:54 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] A Tale of Two Hard Drives: Apple's Secret Wea pon? The cyberpower I mentioned does audio also thru the port. Something also to keep in mind, as of now and any time in the future, you can't play 1080p content from any mac unless you've ripped it from another source. Friend of mine just built a small rig for behind his new 1080p monitor in the living room, blu ray reader/burner, HDMI out, full surround sound. All for around 600 bux. As I said it depends on the job and the customer, to believe any one brand/machine is right for everyone is asinine. On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Check the HDMI output of the computer. My system at home has HDMI but it is video only. No Audio. So I use a DVI-HDMI cable. If the system puts out HDMI to include Audio the video device would either have to have built in speakers, or a splitter with audio cables. Most computers (Laptops) are putting out Video only on an HDMI output as it is smaller, and more easily mounted onto a laptop board than a DVI port. Stewart At 05:36 PM 11/29/2009, you wrote: Yeah, I thought about this when I sent the email, I was properly corrected. There is the point though that HDMI carries surround sound audio, so you could drive a big screen tv with this single cord as well as surround sound. So if you are one that is into say watching movies this connector would be much handier. Does the macbook pro output digital surround sound? I think it does. So two cables, and adapter will do it on the macbook. Single cable no adapter if you have HDMI. Six of one, half dozen... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Android feedback
Recently got a G1 and returned it for a Cliq (much more usable with navigation keys and a better keyboard). How are people feeling about their android phones? I really am glad I have an alternative to the touch screen and the apps have been really cool so far. Is that what iPhone people feel? - Original Message From: mike xha...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 11:27:48 PM Subject: [CGUYS] a twofer update http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/03/mactracker_gets_apple_images/ Apple's App Store police have again exhibited a brush with common sense, and allowed another iPhone app to display previously forbidden images of Cupertino hardware. Check out the pics in the link...Apple wasn't going to allow images of it's own products in an app celebrating...it's own products. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/03/ms_google_bribes_nixed/ The title says it all, our furor over so called ethics must have swayed them...will Tom now say MS is the bastion of ethical goodness, or are they still just neomicrosoftians? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
Tom, Pardon the ignorant question, is there a direct channel from the controller to the hard drive? Otherwise, you bottlenecks somewhere in the pipe? -PJM - Original Message From: tjpa t...@tjpa.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 9:32:20 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what? On Nov 17, 2009, at 7:49 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for answering my questions. Your usage of eSata is a good example of when high rates of data transfer can be of note. My sole point was that, for the most part in daily computer use, it isn't really going to matter or be noticeable. It also demonstrated that WFBs have a tenuous grasp on technology. Why am I not surprised? The transfer rate for the latest FireWire and eSATA versions don't matter much because both are high enough to not be creating the data-transfer bottleneck. That is why faster versions of these standards have been proposed BUT NOT IMPLEMENTED. It would be a waste of effort to do so. If anybody bothered to look at the charts on tomshardware that I linked to they would have seen both FireWire and eSATA drives in mixed order at the top of the charts. This amply demonstrates that FireWire vs eSATA does not matter. Other parts of the data channel are what is limiting the data rate. One example. Both FireWire and SCSI control the data flow in hardware. ATA and eSATA have the CPU managing the data transfer. So FireWire and SCSI can maintain a high data rate irrespective of what is happening in the CPU and ATA and eSATA can't. That may account for the inconsistent eSATA results that were observed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Java C++ - Quickest way to learn
Old topic, I know but I am cleaning out my folders. Basic and Fortran are very different animals from object oriented languages. Books on design patterns in those languages will really get you to understand why o-o is useful. C++ FAQ is a greatly educative and easier to read book. C# is pretty once you know C++. - Original Message From: Allen Firstenberg cg...@addventure.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Mon, May 18, 2009 3:18:06 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Java C++ - Quickest way to learn Java has always been easy to learn since they have always given both the compiler and a set of tutorials away. Not to mention that the API documentation is also publicly (and freely) available. The tutorials (called the trails) are available at http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/ I have never found a book that does any better, and many are substantially worse. Keep in mind that Java is... huge. Beyond the language itself there are truly a massive number of libraries, APIs, specifications, and editions (and implementations of same) that are available and which some people will assume you know. On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Michael Drabick m.drab...@hdhcci.comwrote: I am looking for the quickest way to get up to speed on these two programing languages, as I have become one of the victims of this troubled economy. I have been to a few Job fairs and every one wants Java and C++/C# programmers with clearances. It seems the government is the only one with money to spend and they want their projects done in those languages. I learned Fortran Basic decades ago so this shouldn't be that difficult. Any advise would be appreciated. Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Advertising for cell phones
Parents who have enough money to spend thousands on their kids electronics are probably spending ungodly hours at work in the first place to be able to afford it. Kids of successful parents typically feel ignored, or worse, don't realize what they've missed. Not a choice I would make personally. - Original Message From: Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:21:21 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Advertising for cell phones These days a $1,600 computer for a nine year old is par for the course, along with the cellphone, the game machine. the digital camera and Lord knows what else. And we wonder why so many seem to need special ed to know the difference betewwn work and play? Even then, there are levels of magnitude in kid-dom. My kids having been using computers since they were 2. I feel it's important for them to have that skill. They get my hand-built hand-me-downs. I bought an 4-year old Xbox from a cousin for $75. My son used his allowance to buy a used Gamecube the other day. It's probably 5 or 6 years old, but he loves playing Mario Bros Smash. They have limits on playing time. No gaming during the week while school's in and bad grades will make the games disappear altogether. TV is heavily controlled. Good behavior is rewarded. Bad behavior, not so much. My daughter has a 2 Gig Sansa Clip, that she got for Xmas and has a $50, bottom-of-the-line digital camera to encourage her creative side, which is quite creative. She uses it all the time, making stop-motion movies with it. I might give my son my old 1 Gig Sansa. They don't have cell phones, PSPs, Nintendo DSi's, a Wii nor an iPhone nor any of the other gold plated gadgets that all their friends seem to have. They read quite a bit, play outside and play with Legos, too. My daughter writes poetry, makes films, draws prodigiously and my son, well, he's not too creative, but he loves playing sports. I believe that everything can be done in moderation without them becoming complete slackers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Email virus??
Dear All, Mesages to my dad's podunk ISP keep bouncing saying that the email has a virus. I am sending text email with no attachments from gmail. No other email has bounced so far. Is a real infection possible? AVG is running as we speak. (Maybe I'll try mailing from this account). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] crazy fast
SSD have to fragment in the same way memory fragments, due to the Alloc-Delete-Realloc cycle. I.e., doesn't there have to be garbage collection? - Original Message From: Roger D. Parish rogerd.par...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15:51 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] crazy fast At 7:39 AM -0400 3/10/09, Jeff Wright wrote: Cool, The defrag was impressive. I hear you have to that a lot with SSD right now. I was looking at SSD prices recently and for a decent size they are above 10x the cost of a conventional drive. But it WAS very cool. WAY cool. I've read that you shouldn't defrag an SSD because A) it doesn't actually do any good, and B) it actually reduces the lifespan of the drive since SSD's have a finite read/write lifespan. No idea if B is actually true, but I've read it enough times to lead me to believe that it is. I've heard/read that SSD's (even thumb drives) actually randomize the physical location of written data in order to spread out the writing, so a given memory cell doesn't wear out before any other. Seems like it was Steve Gibson (grc.com) on Security Now podcast that explained this. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ergonomic keyboard for broken arm
There are also chording input devices, some of them are meant to be used one-handed or doubly fast with two. You have to learn the chords but, iirc or am just ad-gullible, the chording is supposed to quite speedy even one-handed. - Original Message From: db db...@att.net To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:55:20 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Ergonomic keyboard for broken arm Constance, Sorry that when I made my suggestion I didn't read all of your email ... the part about the rotation issue. I guess what you really need is one of those split vertical keyboards that you mention. They exist ... I've seen pictures of them but that's all Check out: http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=split+vertical+keyboardbtnG=Google+Searchaq=foq= db Constance Warner wrote: Thanks for the suggestion! --Constance On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:34 PM, db wrote: How about piece of plywood 3 ft. square with a U shape cut out of it ... big enough for you and your chair... then place it on your desk with the computer/ monitor and keyboard sitting on the part without the cutout. It should wrap around you and provide support for your arm and cast. If you make another cut out the shape and location of your keyboard, the keyboard will be somewhat recessed and allow you to more easily place your fingers on the keyboard. Just an idea... db Constance Warner wrote: Hello everyone--I'm looking for an ergonomic keyboard I can use with a broken arm. My fingers stick out of the end of the cast and I can sort of wiggle them, maybe enough to type on a computer keyboard. (I'm using one hand to type this, and it's slow and laborious.) The one insurmountable problem: I can't rotate my forearm so that my palm faces downward, so that I can actually type with my left hand. To be usable, the keyboard would have to be tilted at a 45 to 90 degree angle (with the high point towards the center of the keyboard) for the left hand, but with the right-hand portion of the keyboard remaining flat, in the normal position. I've seen pictures of odd-looking ergonomic keyboards IN TWO PARTS, or that are tilted on an angle. (If a keyboard were in two parts, I could use it at a normal angle for my right hand, but tilt it to a 45 or 90 degree angle for my left.) I've seen flexible keyboards in stores, but I don't know if one of those flexible keyboards would work if you bent it in the middle--or even if flexible keyboards work well under any circumstances. I really need to be able to type, because I got laid off and I need to send out resumes and letters of application. For my own writing and for first drafts, I can use Dragon Naturally Speaking; but I've never gotten the error rate down to the point where I could use Dragon for job application stuff. Any suggestions? Do such keyboards exist, and if so, where can you get them? Thanks! --Constance Warner * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] DC or suburbs rec
for system builders. I am looking for a shop that will build a machine to specs. FYI, I am going to build a Vista class machine with Linux compatible hardware and various bell and whistles. -Paul Meyer * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DC or suburbs rec
I have in the past, but I would be willing to pay someone not to have to do the research. There must be online places that do this to. It is just harder to communicate and establish trust, etc. --- On Tue, 2/24/09, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: From: mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DC or suburbs rec To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 11:09 AM I'm wondering, why not build it yourself? On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Paul Meyer paulj...@yahoo.com wrote: for system builders. I am looking for a shop that will build a machine to specs. FYI, I am going to build a Vista class machine with Linux compatible hardware and various bell and whistles. -Paul Meyer * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc
Except that there is no prosecution in a civil suit. There is a plaintiff, someone who thinks they need compensation or some other sort of injuctive relief. No one goes to jail or has a criminal record from a civil trial. Go bankrupt? Well yeah. - Original Message From: Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:13:41 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc http://news.cnet.com/2010-12-950229.html Note that article written by a CNET political correspondent, hardly an authority on law or computers. Note that article says fears of legal action *may* not all be justified (emphasis mine). So even the author isn't full standing behind the assertion. Note that rules of evidence and grounds for conviction in civil suits are much more in favor of the prosecution. http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revealed.htm And you ignored http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revisited.htm Did you read the site's disclaimer and suggestion that you go someplace else? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Recs on Component Video to VGA?
I am wanting to play video from a set-top dvd player thru my lcd monitor. (It turns out that the players do play dvd's much more cleanly/smooth than my computer/drives - perhaps the PC is reading in high-def?) Apparently I need a converter (Dell sells one made by Startech - $135 with discount). Anyone have any practical experience. -Paul Meyer * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Recs on Component Video to VGA?
The monitor I want to plug it into is 22(+?), and I paid $300 for it. I see ads for converters under a $100, I just have no way to gauge reliability etc. -Paul --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Recs on Component Video to VGA? To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 4:35 PM If you're going to spend $135 for an adapter you may as well just buy another monitor. Last monitor I tried hooking to a DVD player had composite inputs on it, making it easy. On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Paul Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am wanting to play video from a set-top dvd player thru my lcd monitor. (It turns out that the players do play dvd's much more cleanly/smooth than my computer/drives - perhaps the PC is reading in high-def?) Apparently I need a converter (Dell sells one made by Startech - $135 with discount). Anyone have any practical experience. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LHC
Okay, hearing about the CERN astrophysicist who shot himself in the nose with a spear gun is one of the funniest (though perhaps I should be disturbed) stories in a long time. I do have to ask, what is that rap video? --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Arthur Poudrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Arthur Poudrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] LHC To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 7:35 AM At 08:02 PM 9/9/2008, you wrote: My brother the astrophysicist and my friend's brother who works at CERN seem to be calm. On the other hand my brother shot himself in the nose with a spear gun when he was 16 (no kidding) and my friend's brother was involved in that rap video. Worst case is that they'll create a SMALL black hole, which will then likely drop directly through the Earth's center of mass...and start oscillating back and forth, sucking up mass as it goes, getting bigger all the time. As has been pointed out this will take a while. You'll likely have time to order breakfast, at least. Yes, but the question remains, Big Bang Breakfast Bar or The Restaurant at the End of the Universe? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Chrome glitches?
Anyone had glitches with chrome? I had 6-8 tabs open in FF the other day, all the sites become unreachable, except that I notice gmail was still up. I decided to uninstall Chrome (this is XP)and I don't even think I rebooted and the sites were all back up. Could be coincidence. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Movies on PC DVD drives
I have been having lots of bad luck viewing DVD's sometimes straight out of the box (these are either poorly manufactured or being resold from somewhere like Netflix). I have to assume it the quality of the DVD's because I try them on two different drives and some dvd's work okay. It does make me wonder though if there is a marginal improvement in reading movie DVD on stand alone dvd players than in my PC drives. Is the reverse true? Are they any higher quality dvd drives that make be able to read more or the data? Or is it more likely that I am just buying/playing lemons? -Paul Meyer . * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Aside-Puritans at the helm...
Regards the connection between pornography and politics, historically in Europe there was often a conflation of the p-word and political diatribes (often anti-clerical). Of course I guess there aren't too many sites like that these days.. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Need ?mail server?
I would like to have something that could handle custom forwarding requests. I want it to run on my desktop and read the mail in my existing account(s) and then redirect certain messages on the basis of an embedded tag. I don't want to setup a mail server per se, I want to use existing accounts. Need to run over XP, but I could go with Linux. Any ideas? -Paul Meyer * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] The blessed ones [and more Eeepc info]
I think it is blue-toothless. Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org --- On Tue, 7/22/08, db [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: db [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] The blessed ones [and more Eeepc info] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 11:02 AM The folding Palm infrared keyboard is quite nice to type on but the infrared would rule it out. Other manufacturers make blue tooth... does the eepc have that? db Constance Warner wrote: I tried a full-size folding USB plug-in keyboard and it worked, but the more gear you have to carry along with a micro computer like the Eeepc, the more you defeat the purpose of having a tiny portable machine. (Also, the keyboard was expensive.) One of those flexible keyboards might work, too, but I can't see it working on your lap on a bus. I haven't tried one of those small folding keyboards that are used with PDA's, and I don't know if they would connect with the Eeepc (even if they're still available). If there were a very small folding USB keyboard, it might be worth a try. --Constance On Jul 21, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Admiral Harris wrote: Would one of those regular sized rollup USB keyboards work with an Eeepc? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Recovering lost Word file
There is also a directory in which temp files produced by autosave get placed. I think this directory is specified in the registry, the last time I had to figure this out I googled. Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org --- On Tue, 7/22/08, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Recovering lost Word file To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 7:27 PM Can we assume that he looked in Recent Documents and in Word's list of recently opened files? I refer to a client who lost a Word file. He said that he either did not save them correctly or misplaced his edited version since he can no longer find it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] The blessed ones
I just got my eeepc. High five! It turn out my Dell E310 (a bargain basement desktop) was my first Linux box if and only if I installed Fedora (nothing supported the USB controller). Dell and Red Hat were once cozy. -Paul Meyer Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Constance Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Constance Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] The blessed ones To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 1:02 PM Well, the Eumenides are also known (in translation) as The Friendly Ones and a translation of eumenides is, roughly, the pleasant ones. So maybe we should think about that when talking about Mac versus PC. BTW, I use PC at work and (mostly) Mac at home. I just got my first Linux box, an Aesus Eeepc. So I guess dogs, cats, and penguins can play together. --Constance On Jul 19, 2008, at 12:44 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: There's probably some kind of analogy to the present situation, to the actual topic of this thread, but I don't want to think about it. I think you're overanalyzing this but your point is clear. Sometimes the Mac people come off as Eumenides to the non-Mac people. That much is apparent. But it is also true that the construction blessed ones can be construed as a satirical or deprecating reference as in you think you are the Eumenides but you are actually nothing more than dogshit. I think that nobody intended to deconstruct that to this level. I think that dogs and cats can play together. Good classical scholarship, by the way. It never would have occurred to me if you hadn't brought it up. ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Process name (null) on OS X
No geeks here, just fan bois and glitterati. And A intersect B :- Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org --- On Tue, 7/15/08, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Process name (null) on OS X To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 8:00 PM No comments on this issue, eh? I suppose you'd have to be a serious OS X geek to know about something like this. No geeks here, just fan bois and glitterati. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] The blessed ones
I like it, it does have a small screen and keyboard. The Xandros based interface is a little rinky-dink so I want to try Ubuntu (the common practice is run that OS off a thumb drive or SD card). I also have yet to see how it fares as as pseudo- desktop by connecting to external monitor, keyboard, hard drive etc. As a portable device is pretty satisfying. (Unfortunately I bought the cheap 1.4 hour batteries). -PJM Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org --- On Sun, 7/20/08, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] The blessed ones To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 12:27 PM I just got my eeepc. High five! Do we get a review? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OMG! Gates Agrees With Tom
Tom, The UI which you claims suck in osx actually comes from Darwin (iirc) and not BSD per se. I don't know any compelling technical reason why a OS9 not UI could be implemented on top of BSD (even on top of *nix, X-Windows based technology). Listening to you OSX critiques, I could never quite figure out if Apple was having trouble trying to merge to two different UI's, or if the BSD (Darwin/Gnome?) UI sucked all by itself, or if Apple has just lost focus on the UI. (Of course I am not too qualified to comment on the classic Apple UI, since I just figured out that my apple mouse actually does have two buttons) -Paul Meyer Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org --- On Tue, 7/1/08, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] OMG! Gates Agrees With Tom To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 1:04 PM During his farewell event at Microsoft this morning, Gates referred to this, and poked a little fun at us: One of the newspapers had some e-mail that I sent about how maybe Windows could have been better at something, and they said, 'This is a shocking e-mail. Shocking!' And I said, 'What do you think I do all day? Sending an e-mail like that, that is my job. That's what it's all about. We're here to make things better. Okay. He doesn't completely agree with me. He knows Windows sucks, but mistakenly thinks he can apply band aids to make it better. I guess he either did not read or did not understand Demming. Demming teaches that quality is not something you lard on afterwards, you have to build it in from the start. A great example is Apple's OS X. OS X sucks because it is based on BSD Unix, which sucks. After eight years of trying to paper over the problems OS X still sucks. OS 9, while now outdated, was much better because they got the critical user interface things right the first time. This weekend I got my wife to upgrade from 9 to X and having to explain the OS X UI absurdities was maddening. iPod was so great because Apple got the UI right from the beginning. iPhone I don't know. If it is based on OS X it may very well suck too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies
My clear preference is for FIOS over comcast for internet. The FIOS tv service left somethings to be desired. The cable box and its software is c-r-*-p (yes, it is crop). Perhaps unrelated to the set-top problems is that channels (particularly the local channels, and PBS) drop out all the time. You have never lived unless you try to delete a failed DVR recording from a FIOS cable box. I don't think the On demand offerings are as extensive (except in the area of porn). -Paul Meyer Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org --- On Thu, 6/26/08, gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 2:12 PM http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/03/31/comcast-degrades-hd.html http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271 i have comcast in dc. my sister has fios in dallas, which was very much better. the differences i saw in the tv images was considerable. almost the same as the spread between regular and hd on a dvd. the ball at tennis is no longer round, and is fuzzy on comcast. for internet service comcast is much more than adequate for home and small office. At 10:01 PM 6/25/2008, you wrote: Cable ads attacking Verizon confuse consumers http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080621/ap_on_hi_te/tec_cable_vs_fiber_ads Cable companies are running ads with a curiously similar message, emphasizing that cable networks are fiber-optic, even though none of the companies draw fiber all the way to the home, like Verizon does in most cases when it installs FiOS. This allows for higher Internet speeds and, according to Consumer Reports, better picture quality. Cable is deploying the rhetoric instead of the technology, said Verizon spokeswoman Bobbi Henson. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies
Is cable really supposed to have faster speeds? If so, that has to assume no contention with other users. Isn't FIOS bandwidth allocated on a per-connection basis? -Paul Meyer Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org --- On Fri, 6/27/08, Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 9:50 AM I haven't been paying attention, but I think it's a bit of a leap to say that FIOS is inferior to cable (if anyone has?). Cable seems capable of faster speeds, but will they offer those better speeds at better prices is the question. the entire effort of the advertising industry is to convince the marketplace that an inferior product is the product of need. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies
Good point Tom. Advertising would not be a massive industry if it did not affect market outcomes (all hail the sovereign consumer!) Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org --- On Thu, 6/26/08, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 7:08 PM Let the product do the talking and let the marketplace decide is my philosophy. Looks to me like engineer logic, but the market works with marketing logic. That is why this story caught my attention. The marketeers list features that are irrelevant to how their product performs and swift boat the competition with bizarre claims. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] External Terabyte hard drives - recommendations please
I just bought a 500 gb MyBook. Taking it to the counter, the clerk said he had owned a MyBook for years and was pleased. That's half way there. It was 150 Cheneys, give or take. Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org --- On Fri, 6/20/08, Phil Marchetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Phil Marchetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CGUYS] External Terabyte hard drives - recommendations please To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 8:11 AM Anyone have a favorite brand or model of this kind of drive ? A good magazine article review ? Besides terabyte, I am looking for FireWire 400 USB 2 at a minimum, external reliable. Thanks in advance for your advice. Phil * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac OS on a PC
I don't know if someone else already pointed this out, but it seems like a really misguided idea.nbsp; For a number of reasons, Linux (Ubuntu, Linux Mint) would a superior alternative to OSX on PC hardware. Secondly, the real advantage of the Mac/OSX combo is the hardware. If the goal is supporting OSX apps on a PC platform, is the bleeding edge adjustment worth the difference in hardware costs? Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org --- On Fri, 6/13/08, Tony B lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Tony B lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Mac OS on a PC To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 11:46 AM You should have capitalized Real Soon Now. Or better yet, pointed out this is from the I'll believe it when I see it department. On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Steve Rigby lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: gt; Run the Mac OS on a PC. No hacks. No muss, no fuss. Allegedly. Coming gt; real soon now. gt; gt; http://www.efi-x.com/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting
The google products search on Nikon D70 turn up listings in the first half page for about $900 from numerous different stores. Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org --- On Thu, 6/5/08, Larry Sacks lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Larry Sacks lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 12:34 PM Tom makes an excellent point. Nearly all point and shoot digital cameras go to work once you press the shutter release button down to take the picture. You can defeat that somewhat by anticipating the shot. Of course, that works a lot easier with subjects that are going on a predictable course - like say cars on a track. With kids, pets, birds, etc, it becomes more of a challenge since just because they're going in one direction at the time, doesn't mean they'll continue on that path in the next millisecond. As someone else said, FPS does not necessarily equate to a better camera. FPS is if you just want to throw frames at an event - but that doesn't guarantee you'll actually get the shot you want. In my photography business (and for the work I do for paper), I rarely shoot in burst mode.Ken Rockwell's website (www.kenrockwell.com) is definitely a great place to go look for information. Ken is a into cameras and buys equipment as soon as it's available. While he's mostly looked at Nikons in the past, he's not a Nikon bigot. He's got lots of good, practical advice. The D70 and the D40 are both great cameras. I have a D70 and my brother has a D40. I've put about 25,000 (or so) shots through my D70. My brother recently got his D40 and I've used it too.The D70 you're looking at is almost definitely used as the D70 line was dropped in around 2005 or so. The D40 is newer and somewhat lighter. In your original email, you said the D40 was about $500 less.I'd go with the D40. You could probably use the savings (if you're okay with stimulating the economy and spending money you were thinking of spending) and get one of the D40 kits. Most come with an 18-55mm lens (either VR or non-VR) or the 18-55mm and the 55-200mm (also VR or non-VR). (VR is Nikon's Vibration Resistance technology - sort of an image stabilization but it's minimizes shake when taking pictures under certain circumstances. Just know that it works really nicely). OR... you could spend a bit more, get the D40 with the 18-55mm lens and then get Nikon's 18-200mm VR lens. That's a fantastic lens and it'll handle 99.999% of what you need to shoot. The only catch is the 18-200mm VR goes for about $679.95 (yeah, it's an expensive lens).Just out of curiosity, what store is selling the D70 and for how much? Larry P.S. Don't forget to get a UV filter for any and all lenses you get. Some camera shops will try to sell you something *really* expensive, but you don't need to spend all that much money on it. The UV filter is there to protect the lens from things that might strike the glass. It also does a dandy job on fingerprints (smudges like that are too close to the lens when they're on the filter, so they won't affect the shot. Smudges on the lens however, will). And it's far, far better and cheaper to have a $30 UV filter get broken than a $700 lens. -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 7:34 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting gt;Camera newbie question.amp;nbsp; I hate shutter lag in digital cameras.amp;nbsp; gt;The frames per secondamp;nbsp; rate in the Nikon D70amp;nbsp; 3 fps whereas the gt;D40 specs claims 2.5 fps. Note that shutter lag and frames per second are not related. Shutter lag depends on how quickly the camera sets up for the shot (focus, metering, etc.) while FPS depends on how well the camera disposes of the shot (size of internal buffer, transfer speed to memory card, etc.). Plus the kind of memory card you use will affect the FPS rating. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ **
Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting
Camera newbie question.nbsp; I hate shutter lag in digital cameras.nbsp; The frames per secondnbsp; rate in the Nikon D70nbsp; 3 fps whereas the D40 specs claims 2.5 fps. Given that the D40 is about $500 less,nbsp; how adequate (e.g. for shooting pictures of one's children) is the D40'snbsp; shooting rate? -Paul Meyer Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org --- On Wed, 5/28/08, Richard P. lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Richard P. lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [CGUYS] over shooting To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 1:32 PM I was referring to point-and-shoot digital cameras that have the lag. It's good to know that DSLR's don't have this issue, but until their price gets down to a more reasonable level, I'll have to wait. Thanks for the clarification. Richard P. gt; Are we talking DSLR's or point and shoot Digitals? gt; gt; With a DSLR, the shutter lag is practically non-existent. I shoot with gt; a Nikon D70 DSLR that I use for everything from sports, racing, gt; weddings, fires, etc. gt; gt; With a point-and-shoot digital, the shutter lag can be very frustrating. gt; I used one every now and then and have found you have to anticipate the gt; shot - get the focal point preset and wait for the action to come to gt; you. Of course it's easier for racing photography than for a football gt; game. :-) gt; gt; Larry gt; gt; gt; The digital shutter lag is something I was never able to overcome. By gt; the time the camera had figured out that it was taking a picture, the gt; moment was over. Now I use digital for primarily still/staged shots. If gt; I capture a moment in digital, it is more often accidental, as opposed gt; gt; to a mechanical shutter which one could anticipate and depend upon. gt; gt; Richard P. gt; gt; gt; gt; * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] AVG
My In-laws are getting a popup message from AVG that 7.5 is going obsolete and they should update to 8.0 (which of course is for pay). Any reason they can't keep using the free version? Should they download the latest version of whatever's free? -PJM Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Wonk Stuff, What are AVG objects
I am AVG scan a version of Tex that I downloaded. While the test is running it claims to have scan over 10K objects in the directory but Explorer (under XP) claims there are only 1100 files. What gives? Are files composed of many objects? -Paul Meyer Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org - Original Message From: John Duncan Yoyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:43:19 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Signs of the arrival of FIOS Are you talking about the Jitterbug cell phone? Someone in an another group I frequent had an awful time getting one of those to work. On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Jeff Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, what's that one advertised all the time? It has big buttons and is only a cell phone without all the gimmicks like camera and web access, etc. And they advertise it has plans as low as $9.95/mo. It's called the skipper, or some stupid name like that. I'll have to wait for the commercial again to give you the exact name. Jeff M On Apr 15, 2008, at 3:09 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Tom, in DC Economy 1 service costs $6.00 a month. No bells and whistles and you pay 6 cents a call. Local calling only. With taxes and surcharges that's no more than $12.00 a month. Thanks Eric. My Mom is in New York and we have spent many hours talking to Verizon/MCI trying to get her a service plan that is appropriate to her needs. The best we could find was MCI's Neighborhood Talk plan for $25 plus $17 in taxes and surcharges for a total of $42 a month just to have a phone in the house for emergencies and us calling her. I could get her a pay-go cell phone for a lot less than that, but a cell phone takes too much care to maintain and is too tiny for an old lady to use. I also don't want to change her phone number at this late stage of life. Has anyone ever seen a large cell phone? \ -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Disc vs. Disk
Is disk easier to type because it is under the right middle finger (as opposed to moving the right index over 'c')? Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org - Original Message From: Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Monday, April 7, 2008 10:47:46 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Disc vs. Disk I've always used disc for optical media and disk for hard drives etc. And you would be right. These are not interchangeable, except by those who think all words interchangeable and simply grunt. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In the market for a mouse
Logitech had a large ball trackball that I loved. They don't sell it anymore, so now I have kensington which is pretty decent. Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One other suggestion on the trackball: I used the Logitech one everyone else is recommending and I liked it. But my thumb didn't like it after a while so I tried this one: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/trackballs/devices/189cl=us,en I like this one even better and some of the extra buttons are great. Ralph wrote: My new (2-year old) MacBook Pro touchpad is driving me crazy. It had been my intention to work with it until I got it down-cold, but I'm ready to hang it up. I have to do a lot of right-clicking while working with Win-XP and when I do the three-finger click, the cursor sometimes jumps to another part of the screen. I doubt there's any work-around - I think the answer is to just get a windows compatible mouse. Any suggestions? Ralph * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Why not the US?
Orphan drug availability. In the EU, Finland,France, Germany and Sweden supply the most orphan drugs (20-21 out of 22) affordably. The UK supplies only 15 and makes patients pay for up to 94% per cent of the cost. --- Paul Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry to hear about your health situation. I think you are drawing exactly the wrong conclusions about the conclusions for the health care system. First of all, I agree that the UK, Canada, Australia are all unnecessarily stingy health care system. The reason for that (as far as I can tell) is because their political system tend to unduly favor conservatives who in turn try to keep Health Service funds low (compared to the other health systems in the First World - all of them except the US, government run) Do you know how, for instance, what the situation in Germany is like for orphan drugs? (I don't, I should look it up). Anyway, orphan drugs is actually an example of market failure and a good case could be made that the government should have a nationalized pharmaceutical company to manufacturing them and the RD expense of developing should come out of the government RD budgets - which, IIRC, is where most of the expense of orphan drugs comes from. It also occurs to me, that jacking up the price on a drug for which there is no market allows the drug companies to get bigger tax breaks when they give it away. Even so, medical resources are expensive, involving both material and labor inputs that can be exceedingly scarce. If it were in principle possible to allocate all the money needed to avoid tough, who lives, who dies, rationing dilemmas, it would still takes year to put such a system into place (assuming it is possible). My brother-in-law died in his early 30's because he had decided to pay for a crappy insurance policy and it delayed him from getting to doctor in a timely way (it wasn't cancer but DVT, a doctor's visit days before his death literally might have saved his life). As many as 200,000 people in the US die from it each year. That's my health care story. --- Admiral Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like your in-depth analysis: The healthcare guys. Do they carry around a big bag of healthcare to dole out skimpily to the poor and needy? Lemme tell you a REAL healthcare story. I have whatcha call one of those orphan diseases. It's incurable, it's progressive, but it's treatable, to slow down my imminent demise. My pharmacy bill ran over $300k last year, because most of the drugs I take are only taken by the few of us who have this disease (you DO remember the economy of scale, don't you?). It will likely cost that much annually for the rest of my life. If I had no insurance, the companies would give it to me. If I had lousy insurance, there are foundations which will help with the costs. However, in the UK, that paragon of the National Health Service, they've just decided not to carry five of the six medications for my disease. If that one that's left doesn't treat you, then you're sunk. Canada? One of my pals died there last year because the health board fiddled around too long to get her proper treatment. Australia? One of my pals died there because not only would the government not buy the drug from overseas because of the cost, they wouldn't let him buy any with his own money and import it. Yeah, it's not great here, but like Churchill said, it's better than the alternatives. Ellen H. - Original Message - From: Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Why not the US? The healthcare guys are doing it too. They make the cost so high that people will inevitably die. And they skim lots of money off the top to support their own lavish lifestyles. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Why not the US?
Mostly because they could not afford the home on the terms they agreed to and thus never should have purchased them. Who is objectively supposed to assess which applicant's can and cannot afford a home? The banks always have before (is it a legal mandate or fiduciary responsibility, or both?) Seems a little simplistic to pin it on home buyers, especially since they have the least resources and no surfeit of objectivity. Of course, that's the problem with cheap money, it robs the financial industry of objectivity as well. Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Why not the US?
That delivers care of sufficient quality (to those who can pay) that folks come here to get what they can not get from their national systems. Did you read the recent study about how many women in labor had to be turned away from British maternity wards for lack of beds? high energy prices, Funny thing is, all the other rich countries have national systems and it is hard to make an intellectually honest case that the US is unambiguously better. General health statistics and outcomes are not better in the US as a whole. The US doesn't even have more high-tech diagnostic equipment (Japan does). It is easy to pick on Britain for it long lines or other aspects of rationing, it is easy because it has always been one of the least under-funded national health systems (and that has been true under Labor let alone Thatcher). Brits also go to national healt services on the Continent when they can't get what they want in Britain (and it get paid for). Unfortunately, all health care systems ration, we do it by ability to pay. Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Why not the US?
contaminated food stuffs, Because those pesky consumers have largely valued low price above every other consideration. Makes about as much sense as the idea that smokers freely express their preference when buying cigarettes. There is no free choice in the face of inadequate information and most economists will admit that mostly consumers don't have adequate information. Arguing that the economy and society is simply the sum total of a bunch of choices freely made by consumers is... well, I hope that notion at least helps you sleep at night. Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Why not the US?
What is right about the majority voting to tax the minority for the enefit of that majority? That is the very antithisis of liberty. The very anti-thesis? I would say the anti-thesis is the minority voting to tax the majority for the benefit of the minority is even more anti-thetical (which sadly is a more accurate description of what happens in the US). The only alternative to majority rule is no one rules (wake me when that happens) or minority rule. Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] IT Jobs DC
Any good sources for getting a sense of the DC job market. I have spent five years as the stay at home parent and really need to move back into support myself. Experience is as a software developer, mainly C++, database apps, Winitel architectures, 15 years used to have a clearance etc. Any advice welcome. -PJM b_s-wilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rev. Stewart Marshall escribió: What I read (and I think it was on this list) is that they disable the POTS service from the box or father back. It is their way of cutting back on service for that type of line etc. Keep a cell phone handy. The FCC is requiring (and the cell companies are fighting) long term back ups at all Cell towers. No electricity = no phone service after only a few hours of blackout. No power = maybe no cellular service either. FCC attempted to take over the shortwave bands so nobody would have emergency communication [they failed, thank goodness]. I have a cell phone. I even use it at home. I could also use a Kaito emergency radio that charges cell phones using solar or wind-up. I also have a land line that doesn't go down when our power does. That's one of the major reasons I wouldn't consider FIOS unless the telco forced it by disconnecting all POTS service in our neighborhood. FIOS service has a short-lived battery backup. If the telco also provided an inexpensive solar charger for the backup batteries, like the PV trickle chargers that I've seen at the VW dealers, then FIOS would be a more appealing service--after they cut prices and speed up broadband. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] new life circumstances
For someone who is getting separated and who rather spend money on computer equipment than TV equipment (and has access to his old residence in a very friendly arrangement) Who has experience with the OSD device for snatching video? Any experience with tuner cards should a live tv feed be desirable? Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Alternative (was Dell laptops?)
Ausus eeePC. $200-$400. Subcompact. If you can see using linux, (though people are loading XP on them). get a extra keyboard, monitor, external drive and it is a desktop replacement (for standard business/school applications - not for graphic intensive stuff like games). If you can get used to the smaller keyboard (which apparently is doable), it is super-portable, for toting to class. It is the biggest selling item in ASUS history. --- Eric S. Sande [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't expect it to outperform a desktop or even equal it. I just have trouble with how under performing most average laptops are these days. (Even WITH adequate RAM) Well, you can buy a pretty fast laptop with a honking processor and a better than average video subsystem. These are generically known as gaming laptops. Problems are that they are heavy and they burn through a battery charge in a very short period of time, typically about an hour. Also they are expensive. These are pretty much desktop replacements in actual fact. If you keep them tethered to the wall they do fine, but that pretty much kills the whole point of a portable computer, doesn't it? Chip technology (die size) has to come down and battery technology has to improve (very slow progress on this) before there will be a revolution in laptop performance. Displays and memory also need to become more efficient, power-wise. For right now it's accepted that the more power efficient CPUs and lesser graphics chips represent an acceptable compromise for laptops. You have to trade off somewhere if you want an acceptable battery life. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Doctor Who (Was Re: [CGUYS] Torchwood)
I would be polite and not say anymore on this thread
except I just (season opener?) Torchwood. James Effing Marsters!
--- katan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:47:42 -0800, Paul Meyer wrote:
My Who education post Baker is vastly incomplete.
oh yeah, Computers!
Don't worry, you're not missing much. Peter Davison was okay. Colin
Baker was *horrible*. I liked Sylvester McCoy. He was good, but (to
me)
he had some really crappy stories to work with. Then there was the
one-off Who movie that had Paul McGann. He was alright, I guess, but
didn't really get much of a chance. Eric Roberts played The Master in
that one.
Companions didn't do much better either. After Tom's last companions
(Nyssa, Tegan and Adric {they actually *killed* Adric}) left they
were
pretty annoying until Ace came along.
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Re: [CGUYS] Torchwood (Was Re: [CGUYS] MS Yahoo!)
Some of the really good writing in T'wood gets thrown away maybe because C.J. is as authorative as the Doctor (e.g. his explanation of Torchwood's 1,2 4) I read that T'wood was in part inspired by the success of Buffy/Angel but particularly the latter. I can definitely see that but what is ironic is that Dr. Who actually blazed the trail for Buffy (e.g. long, long story arcs, creation of mythos, genre-bending, humour - especially T. Baker). Partly because of the B/A influence, they seem to dip into fantasy/occult stuff without even attempting sci-fi windowdressing. Seems a departure from the Who-ian canon. Still I like it. My Who education post Baker is vastly incomplete. ... oh yeah, Computers! --- Reid Katan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Paul Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Any Doctor Who fans following Torchwood? Me me me. I don't like it as much as Dr Who. Cap'n Jack was so much better in his couple of Dr Who episodes. He's too serious now. I liked the one where them three people came through the rift from WWII era. Then again, I don't like the new Who as much as the old Who. The inside of the Tardis is just wrong, and they spend too much time in Cardiff. And what's with the romantic involvement between The Doctor and his companion? Never had that before. They even romanticized the relationship between him and Sarah Jane. Katan * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] [IP] Re: U.S. Agents Seize Travelers' Devices / US technical work visas.
You read my mind. Your description of the travails of tech people trying to get citizenship made me think why would the US let people when we have indentured servitude (i.e., the H1 visa program). In the past, H-1 was a potentially a threat to my livliehood and then I worked with H1 visa guys and realized what an exploited bunch they are. If the visa weren't tied to specific vendors and hence visa-holders could jump to other firms, their wages would quickly approach the market rates (and businesses would stop supporting the program). --- db [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Border/ travel security is the least of it. The best technical talents from all over the world are looking less and less to the US for jobs because of the disadvantageous work visa and naturalization situation in the US. I have an extremely well educated, and talented Indian friend who has been working for Amazon in the US for 4 years. After bucking the US naturalization process for 4 years, he has decided, like many of his friends that he is going to emigrate to Canada, get a job there and quit amazon because he can become a citizen there in 1 - 1/2 years (with his skills but even WITHOUT a job) where in the US he it is probably he will have to wait for 7 years. Presently, every 3 years during his work visa renewal process he can't leave the US for travel purposes for 6 months and if he lost his Amazon job he would have to leave the US in 7 days (this varies from state to state) making it very difficult to change jobs unless he can make it seamless and making his life in general no more than a transient one. Because of this situation, he hasn't bought a house here although he can well afford one... He well paid but treated like a indentured servant. And now that he can get paid equally well elsewhere he and many like him are leaving the US. db [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, my post was a direct response to the previous comment regarding airport security in France. I don't recall the original post. I can't recall having personally had any problems with Customs. I think they mostly harass foreigners. However it distresses me that there are people who are discouraged from travelling to the US because of horror stories they've heard regarding US customs, despite the favorable exchange rate. On 2/9/08 19:35, David Chessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read it again. It's not the TSA. It's customs, and it's not clear what threat they're defending against: pornography, or perhaps you have some drugs in your hard drive. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET
Re: [CGUYS] How stable is Excel?
Can't excel just be setup as the interface to the database which would allow the excel-centric users to be happy without stomping on the structure. --- Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think before I let them flatten it I'd consider online solutions too. Does Google offer a real database app now? Current item of interest is blist.com which provides a happy Flash interface to PostgreSQL. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS Yahoo!
Any Doctor Who fans following Torchwood? (I know it's OT but what about all that indecipherable obscureness about Philadelphia and a (?) pig. I am not even going to ask what an iggle is.) --- katan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:56:19 -0800, Paul Meyer wrote: Is that a Doctor Who quote? Why yes. Yes it is. From the Face of Evil. -- katan The very powerful, and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering. The Doctor (Number 4) * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MS Yahoo!
Is that a Doctor Who quote? --- katan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 00:59:34 -0500, Michael Fernando wrote: This particular public will certainly be migrating to the Google product. I've spent a *lot* of time avoiding Microsoft products except for OSes because I'm too lazy to learn Linux and too cheap to buy a Mac. Well, certain Linux distros have come a long way. I think Ubuntu can be used for everyday desktop tasks. Give it a try. After all, it is a completely free download as opposed to RedHat or SuSE. You just have to get Oh, I know. I've actually installed a couple distros of Linux (Mandrake, Ubuntu, Red Hat (before it went commercial)). It really isn't that hard to do. used to knowing what application to use. For instance, how do you know you need to use Nero or Toast (or your favorite CD writing sw) to burn a CD on a Windows machine? You just know ... similarly, you have to get to know Right. Some are obvious. Firefox, Open Office. I quite like my orphaned mail program though (PMMail), and AFAIK it's only Windoze and OS/2, so that leads to Wine which I never quite mastered. Largely through lack of effort, I'll admit. So, you don't have to be a command-line addict to use Linux these days. Well where's the fun in that? (-: -- katan The very powerful, and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering. The Doctor (Number 4) * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Money 2006 Alternatives
I just downloaded the Windows version of GnuCash. I am still exploring it though it seems to do much more than budget/checkbook tracking. (I was going to analyze the household budget but it turns out we just have more expenses than income...) --- Richard P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the deals! Richard P. Staples deals - buy Turbotax [$10 rebate], get Quicken 2008 free [after rebate], plus lots of other F.A.R. software to choose, http://snipurl.com/1ypw7. Staples rebates work well, and you can do them online. Similar deal at Amazon: Quicken 2008 Deluxe for $44.99 at Amazon - add TurboTax Basic for $18.99 and get a $45 instant rebate from Amazon [Amazon main store, not affiliated sites]. Total price of $18.98 plus free shipping no sales tax for Quicken 08 Deluxe. Also deals at Office Depot, maybe others, too. Quicken is OK, TurboTax is good. Betty * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Gates as Robin Hood?
Shucks, Tom. Everything I know I learned on this list... ;- --- Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you could find intellectual honest, economically literate conservatives who would argue that Gates is a threat to free market and capitalism in general. Great analysis Paul. I did not know we had that sort of talent on the List. The point of my original post was to plumb the authenticity of some list member's conservatism by challenging their fealty to MS. If Clinton or Obama had made a social engineering proposal similar to Gates' there would have been much outrage. Apparently money raised by legal taxation is somehow tainted, while money extorted from the public by felons is pure. So now I know that fealty to MS trumps conservative political beliefs. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Internet Shopping Efficiency [Was: Gates as Robin Hood?]
Information asymmetry is 2008 because it is mainstream econ today. I think the internet was very useful for gathering price information but I personally found it has been harder and harder to get price info and firms are almost certainly trying to make it harder. There is also price discrimination where buyers decide that web consumers won't buy at the regular market price so they offer lower prices on line. Much of real-world pricing behavior was mysterious to me until I learned about p.d. in my first micro-econ class. --- Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007 answer. Some nobel prize winning economists have argued and their view are pretty mainstream, even if debated, that the availability (or rather the lack of availability) of information robs consumers of the ability to push the market through price competition to its ideal efficiency. The so-called information assymmetry economist argue that this problem of not enough information is the rule rather than the exception. Is this 2007 answer really a 1987 answer? In 2008 I use the Internet almost every day to push the market through price competition. I rarely buy anything worth over $50 without at least a quick check of prices. I find that even just a quick check can often save me 20 to 50 percent. Am I an exception? Although Google's shopping search has lost its luster I still find that it is the most efficient source. It is not limited to one kind of goods and it indexes online stores, ebay, and other price engines. If you are shopping on the 'net, what is your preferred site? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Gates as Robin Hood?
Point is simple. You don't have to be liberal or socialist to have big problems with monopolists. Is Tom's obsession with Gates unhealthy? That's for him an his shrink to decide. --- Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So Paul, what is your point? That markets aren't perfect? That players try to tilt the playing field in their favor against their competitors through government interference? Or was it just an opportunity to grind a worn axe? None of this is news to me and I know it wasn't to Friedman either. He wrote Of course, this is abstract and idealized. The world is not ideal. There are all sorts of deviations from the perfect market--many, if not most, I suspect, due to government interventions. But with all its defects, the current largely free-market, private-property world seems to me vastly preferable to a world in which a large fraction of resources is used and distributed by 501c(3)s and their corporate counterparts. That makes eminent sense to me, but I also believe the world market is big enough to house both Mackeyian and Friedmanian businesses. Vote with your dollars which one holds more value to you. 1970 economics? 2007 economics? I don't even know what that is. Regardless, that wasn't the point of the link. The point of that was to show that what Tom is decrying is already being done and has been done for some time now. It also presented 3 differing views on the matter. Just like Jobs got credit for pushing the music companies to go DRM free, when others had been at it for years before him, Gates is being credited for pushing an old idea as new. Gates pushed an idea, one that Bono is already doing, for example, and all Tom heard was booga booga!! My eyes get tired from all the rolling and I hoped that he might actually learn something. --- Jeff, There are two arguments that mitigate against the Friedmann pov. One using 1970 economics and one using 2007 economics. The morality of maximizing profits is based on the idea that markets do certain things efficiently and so promoting the freedom of business people, entrepreneurs and corporations creates a productive win-win situation where everyone benefits and freedom for business (and maybe for everyone else, thought that is a much harder argument to sustain). If the market transactions don't make an optimal use of economic/social resources then the whole argument becomes questionable (except for libertarians who believe that any exercise of governmental power is inherently problematic - not exactly a widely shared belief though one shared by the editors of Reason). So is the market efficient? 1970 answer. Yes, but not when there is market failure. I.e. Not in the case where monopoly or externalities. Something that has been recognized for a long time (since the 80's anyway) is that even markets that are not technically monopolies still act like monopolies, i.e. they keep there prices higher than if there was a truly competitive situation. This is called oligopoly, and many, many market in the economy appear to have price behavior that appears oligopolistic. I could explain why, but the point is that it happens. 2007 answer. Some nobel prize winning economists have argued and their view are pretty mainstream, even if debated, that the availability (or rather the lack of availability) of information robs consumers of the ability to push the market through price competition to its ideal efficiency. The so-called information assymmetry economist argue that this problem of not enough information is the rule rather than the exception. Beyond the point of whether the markets are efficient, maximizing profits in the real world means corporations lobby and constantly try to change the rules of the game in their favor. They try to change laws about finance, taxes, regulation etc. They actually like to make markets less competitive when they hold a dominant position in them. The also compete not through prices or even through quality but through marketing and advertising (which to some extent is the information asymmetry raising its ugly head). And beyond that there is problem that managers have never, ever acted solely in the interests of owners but usually in their own interests as well, even when that involves an inordinate of risk in the long-term (whereas managers interests are notoriously short term). I think you could find intellectual honest, economically literate conservatives who would argue that Gates is a threat to free market and capitalism in general. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CGUYS] Gates as Robin Hood?
Jeff, There are two arguments that mitigate against the Friedmann pov. One using 1970 economics and one using 2007 economics. The morality of maximizing profits is based on the idea that markets do certain things efficiently and so promoting the freedom of business people, entrepreneurs and corporations creates a productive win-win situation where everyone benefits and freedom for business (and maybe for everyone else, thought that is a much harder argument to sustain). If the market transactions don't make an optimal use of economic/social resources then the whole argument becomes questionable (except for libertarians who believe that any exercise of governmental power is inherently problematic - not exactly a widely shared belief though one shared by the editors of Reason). So is the market efficient? 1970 answer. Yes, but not when there is market failure. I.e. Not in the case where monopoly or externalities. Something that has been recognized for a long time (since the 80's anyway) is that even markets that are not technically monopolies still act like monopolies, i.e. they keep there prices higher than if there was a truly competitive situation. This is called oligopoly, and many, many market in the economy appear to have price behavior that appears oligopolistic. I could explain why, but the point is that it happens. 2007 answer. Some nobel prize winning economists have argued and their view are pretty mainstream, even if debated, that the availability (or rather the lack of availability) of information robs consumers of the ability to push the market through price competition to its ideal efficiency. The so-called information assymmetry economist argue that this problem of not enough information is the rule rather than the exception. Beyond the point of whether the markets are efficient, maximizing profits in the real world means corporations lobby and constantly try to change the rules of the game in their favor. They try to change laws about finance, taxes, regulation etc. They actually like to make markets less competitive when they hold a dominant position in them. The also compete not through prices or even through quality but through marketing and advertising (which to some extent is the information asymmetry raising its ugly head). And beyond that there is problem that managers have never, ever acted solely in the interests of owners but usually in their own interests as well, even when that involves an inordinate of risk in the long-term (whereas managers interests are notoriously short term). I think you could find intellectual honest, economically literate conservatives who would argue that Gates is a threat to free market and capitalism in general. -Paul Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an excellent read on the subject. Tom, don't let the big words or conflicting interpretations of moral imperatives spook you. http://www.reason.com/news/show/32239.html -Original Message- Bill Gates says it is his moral duty to overcharge customers and transfer the ill-gotten gains to social causes of his choosing. He urges other CEOs to do the same. Do our FoBs support him on this? Or is this just an argument to make illegal monopolies legal? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at
[CGUYS] Voting machines, data mining, electoral fraud
http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/opedne_mark_cri_080116_what_to_expect_from_.htm Mark Crispin Miller's piece was posted recently about recounts in NH. You don't have to buy his thesis about the rigging of any particular election, but his point about the fact that the company programming the voting machines in NH also has a data mining business is rather important. Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Voting Perfection
Alvin I agree you 100% and could make other criticisms about our electoral/legislative processes, but it is probably off topic (though not any more so than the history of stuff). --- Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alvin you are too cynical and too off topic too. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Must see TV...Off Topic????
The problem with the 1/3 number (even if it is accurate, and it may be) is that it is a highly agregated numbes. It does'nt mean necessarily that a third of every natural resource is gone, clearly some are more exploited than others. Actually her quote about forests is that 4% of the original American forest remains, that I have seen before. mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never said anyone was crazy. I never said anyone was a fanatical religious nut either. You however just did.First Betty made assumptions about me that weren't true. Then told me essentially that since I disagreed with her I should shut up. She gives zero reason for what she believes. That kind of reasonable discourse looks like zealotry to me. I never said I believed or disbelieved in man made global warming. I just made two points...the video's comments about forests were highly exaggerated and the comments about military spending seemed extremely high but i asked for others to give me some data. No one did, I just got if you want to see it, look it up. I'll now go back to the usual pc's suck/macs are too expensive vitriol already in progress. Mike On Jan 12, 2008 11:19 AM, Michael Lewis wrote: mike sez: Thanks for proviing my point Betty. Mike Proving what point? That someone doing something to help the environment, however small, means someone is a fanatical religious nut? That demeans both science and religion. I suppose you thinking brushing teeth is a religion because, after all, why do something so trivial and boring when one can just go to a dentist and buy a whole new set of teeth some day? Nice debate tactics trying to shut down discussion by simply writing off your opponents as crazy. You might as well just say I know you are but what am I? or I'm rubber, you're glue. It's about as useful. -- Michael Lewis Off Balance Productions [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.offbalance.com * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Audio Conversion?
Isn't a USB audio interface even a better idea than an internal sound card? They can be fairly cheap. Richard P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, This looks like a good plan. Thanks for the advice from a voice of experience. Richard P. Robert wrote: My two cents: If I were doing this, I would first copy cassette or records to the WAV format using a high-quality computer sound card. The sound card might have its own WAV program, or you could use Audacity. Next, I would use an audio clean-up program to remove hiss, pops, and scratches. There are free trial downloads available; I use Diamond Cut Audio which can also fix old shellac 78s by expanding the audio and dynamics. If you have plenty of disk space, you can keep both the original and the cleaned versions. For CDs, burn the WAV files (cleaned or not) using any CD burner, such as Nero or the software that came with your CD burner. Finally, I would make mp3 files using an mp3 converter based upon Lame. I use Razorlame, which is free. For a medium-quality playback device like an iPod, I would use a variable bit rate with a center of 192 kb/sec., joint stereo mode (unless source is mono), and a roll-off filter set at 17.5 kHz. I would avoid the 128 kb/sec. bitrate which is often recommended as being good-enough quality. Richard P. wrote: To clarify, I want to be able to transfer my cassette/record music content to CD's so I can have access to my music in the future. I would prefer that what goes to the CD be in the highest quality possible. Along the way, I would put some of the music to iPod for my personal/portable use, which I realize is not high quality but acceptable under the circumstances. I also realize that there are possibly some digital mediums out there that can preserve music at a higher quality than CD's but that is not my goal. While nothing will be as good as the original source, having music that's accessible is better than no music at all. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] perfection
To support Betty, I always understood that the transition from analog to CD resulted in a loss of details that any fan (for ex of the Beatles) would notice on DC if they were used to listening to a good condition LP on a decent stereo. One reason I have been waiting for the high quality DVD's audio formats to standardize. (How is that going?) b_s-wilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those questions are silly. You're obviously not a musician or music connoisseur, otherwise you wouldn't bother to ask. Ever hear John Cage? How do you judge? A recording is what it is--you like it or you don't. My concern is to recreate an original recording as accurately, with as much data as possible, and save it for future use. Most people can't tell the difference between a high quality original source, preferably analog or at least AIFF, and an MP3. I can, even after all those painfully loud concerts and quite a few symphonies and operas too. If you can't tell, why worry about it? I notice the difference when I forget to convert formats for my iPod and I'm using my Koss headphones--I can really tell the difference between an MP3 version and an AIFF. But most of the time I don't care if I like the music anyway and can dance to it. We still use a turntable [and sometimes 3/4 tape] with our Harman Kardon system and appreciate the significant difference. BUT, who cares about the sound when driving a car and using an FM transmitter to a car radio? Yes, when we convert analog to digital, we try to use the method that preserves the most data. Digital [audio/video] will never have as much data as analog, but it can be close enough that it might be difficult to tell the difference, especially for those of you who don't know the difference anyway. While this sounds like a good rule at first, several questions arise. How do we know the source was 'good' to begin with? Was the room in which it was recorded 'correct'? Is the design of the instrument 'correct'? Was the musician playing the instrument 'properly'? Since all the words in quotes are non-absolutes, how can we say we're 'degrading' anything and not actually 'improving' it? I'm not speaking of the obvious difference between a 16k mp3 and a 128k mp3. Rather, I'm coming from the optical world where, especially with RAW formats, there's an awful lot open to interpretation. e.g. When was the last time you saw a movie/commercial that didn't employ a colorist (or several). Often. recording for quite a while. The First Commandment is: Thou shalt not degrade the source. Eric -- well said! Betty * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] I'm so confused...need simple instructions. was:Re:
Tom, I assume NAC's are the same thing as NACK's (neg*ACK). Do CS and EE tribes use a different abbreviation? -P Paula Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom P said: Normally, DSL should not do that. This implies that some bandwidth is being consumed by NACs. The speed measuring sites do not seem to register NACs. Tom, what is NAC? I just checked the DSL speed and it was 962 down...and less than a minute later it was 2280 down. But no matter what, the cable is staying 4 times faster or more even tho it too varies widely. Now, I do pay a lot more for the cable$25/mo for the DSL and $49/mo for Comcast but the speed matters to me. I am used to downloading podcasts very quickly and have not enjoyed waiting and waiting for them to finish downloading with the DSL. I just checked about the Verizon availability and we can't get it at our address. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Blue tooth radiation?
IIRC, the em wave has a spherical wave front but that is the surface of a sphere not the volume, so the square law applies. If it did fall off at a cubic rate there would might be more cause concern because you the wave energy at the transmitter would be much more intense to reach the target antenna. As to Tom's question, the relationship between tranmission sources and radio waves is suspicious and being studied, but I don't know the signifigance of that. Anectdotaly, the fellows who manned the pirate radio stations in England were known to have their hair fall out. Also IIRC (perhaps not so germanely) the connection high voltage cancer is pretty established. Devra Davis author of the work in question is director of UoPitt's center for Environmental Oncology. Also, when NPR (specifically, Fresh Air in this case, interviews cranks they do tend to challenge some of their assertions, this was not that sort of interview and if I had to put money on whether it was Tom or Devra Davis who was talking out of their depth, well...) gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the part that is 2-3mm from your ear is a speaker. the radiation devise is housed elsewhere in the box. you are attempting to determine the distance of the mechanical device, which has nothing to do with electric radiation. I would presume the electronic portion of the blutooth device is much closer, as the whole thing is only a couple inches long. the electronic transmitter in my folding cell phone is in the bottom portion of my cell phone, and at least 4 from my ear. presuming the device transmits non directionally in 3 dimensions, would not the signal reduce by the cube of the distance? if it were to transmit directionally, the square root estimate may not work. most people in my neighbor hood hold the phone about 2' away, directly in front of themselves while driving down I95. this is to transmit and view images of the telephone talkers. At 08:13 AM 12/2/2007, you wrote: Are bluetooth headphones actually closer than a cell phone against the ear? If we are talking about the difference between 1/4 inch and 1/16 of an inch, equally powerful signals would have differ by a factor 16 (ie 4 squared). The power requirement to broadcast bluetooth 30feet compared to a cell phone 1 feet is different by a factor of 90,000. Given that I would expect that the incident energy of bluetooth radiation on your body is many times (10? 100? 1000?) less than that of a cell phone. Randy wrote: I did hear her on a few show while on her book tour and noted her concern about the potential harm from cell phones and about the research on this to date. Re. bluetooth, is it definitely the case that it gives off much less radiation than cellphones? Even if so I wonder about the effect of something that close to the head, closer than even cellphones are held. But as far as the bigger picture, long-term risk, you are probably right in that cellphone use today probably wouldn't result in cancer for many years if not decades, though radiation damage is cumulative so who knows if there isn't some threshold tipping point. Randall On Dec 1, 2007 1:50 PM, Paul Meyer wrote: If anyone listened to the public health academic who wrote The Secret History of the War On Cancer some of the most quoted studies done on cell phone radiation have severe methodological flaws and even if they were good might been inadequate for assessing the brain cancer risk 20 or 30 years out (which is the appropriate scale for the development of brain cancer) One reason minors should not have cell phones except for emergency use. That said, bluetooth would seem to be a much less intense radiation source and if it had 10 times less of cancer risk than cell phones, I would not be surprised in the slightest. The same advice about avoiding cell phones for minors goes for aspartame. Randy wrote: I was in a store checking out bluetooth headsets for cell phone, ending up getting one on sale for $15. However another customer I was talking to about cell phones, etc. said that bluetooth headpieces deliver as much radiation to the head as using the cellphone directly, near your head, maybe more. Bluetooth is one thing, bluebrain is another; anyone know if this is true? If so I may well return the bluetooth and just stick to regular, corded headpiece, which is admittedly less convenient. I vaguely recall this coming up here before but can't locate the posts. Randall -- Please use new email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD
Re: [CGUYS] Blue tooth radiation?
If anyone listened to the public health academic who wrote The Secret History of the War On Cancer some of the most quoted studies done on cell phone radiation have severe methodological flaws and even if they were good might been inadequate for assessing the brain cancer risk 20 or 30 years out (which is the appropriate scale for the development of brain cancer) One reason minors should not have cell phones except for emergency use. That said, bluetooth would seem to be a much less intense radiation source and if it had 10 times less of cancer risk than cell phones, I would not be surprised in the slightest. The same advice about avoiding cell phones for minors goes for aspartame. Randy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was in a store checking out bluetooth headsets for cell phone, ending up getting one on sale for $15. However another customer I was talking to about cell phones, etc. said that bluetooth headpieces deliver as much radiation to the head as using the cellphone directly, near your head, maybe more. Bluetooth is one thing, bluebrain is another; anyone know if this is true? If so I may well return the bluetooth and just stick to regular, corded headpiece, which is admittedly less convenient. I vaguely recall this coming up here before but can't locate the posts. Randall -- Please use new email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Blue tooth radiation?
Tom, respectfully a UofPittsburgh professor of Public Health is not a crank, and her claims and arguments were quite reasonable when interviewed on NPR. Flourescent lighting does not broadcast its energy an inch from your brain (actually I doubt the UV doesn't penetrate your skin). Furthermore, I think that after only about 10 years of following the public exposure I have heard of studies (I don't know how large the samples) that cell phone usage increased risk of non-malignant brain tumors. What are we going to see at 20 years. And just to reiterate,I said I thought Bluetooth was a minimal risk, whereas with cell phones the jury is not in. FYI, one of the criticisms she leveled is that a widely quoted large scale study from Denmark, was designed to exclude people who had the most exposure. The subjects of the study had minutes rather than hours per day of exposure. The public perception (including myself formerly) is that cell have been given a clean bill of health. The truth is no one yet knows the long term effects of moderate to heavy use and that in general no one will until a 20 years long experiment run its course. Unfortunately, the subjects in that experiment are the public. Using the public to test health effects of products is pretty much the American way. -PJM Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone listened to the public health academic who wrote The Secret History of the War On Cancer some of the most quoted studies done on cell phone radiation have severe methodological flaws and even if they were good might been inadequate for assessing the brain cancer risk 20 or 30 years out (which is the appropriate scale for the development of brain cancer) This topic and radiation from monitors seems to bring out the cranks. In years past similar vehemence was directed to electrification and telephones. The common theme seems to be fear of invisible forces. From what I have seen, you are correct to say there have not been any good studies. However, it should be emphasized that there have not been any good studies for either side of the issue: nothing to show that there is or is not a problem. What clinches it for me are the studies that identify the various sources of electromagnetic radiation exposure. In an office environment the #1 source is fluorescent lighting. Nothing else comes close. Another big source is commercial broadasting. So my thinking is that it is not worth stressing over minor sources when I can't do anything about the major sources. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Upgrade Ubuntu Studio Feisty to Gutsy?
Don't take my word as gospel but Gutsy is both, according to the Linux Action Guys, a standout distro and really easy (comparatively) for installing (available) proprietary drivers. If you could get it with Fiesty, I would be really surprised if you can't get it Gutsy and in even a more automated way. I don't know that studio version. Is that for media centers, or just media heavy users. Is there a Gutsy studio? If no Gutsy studio it may be because the install of special drivers and codecs is so easy. Again, this is a non-expert opinion, only use if you have no other info. The Avast Windows navigator (with plug-ins) was also highly touted in the gutsy review. -PJM Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 11:08:31 AM Subject: [CGUYS] Upgrade Ubuntu Studio Feisty to Gutsy? Hi, When I installed Ubuntu I got the Ubuntu Studio distribution basically because I thought it looked cool, not because I am an A/V enthusiast. Now I would like to upgrade to Feisty Fawn to Gutsy Gibbon. It is my impression that this is a routine procedure, but I am curious whether my not having a plain vanilla distribution will affect this? In addition I have NVIDIA drivers and am using the Beryl window manager (which I believe gets replaced with Compiz as part of the upgrade). Does this make a difference? I would hate to have reinstall the drivers manually. Plus without them, Compiz won't have a prayer of working. Basically, I just want things to still work after the process is complete! Thanks! --John Emmerling * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] mac mini help
Sounds plausible, let me try that out my eyes that was it... Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org - Original Message From: rocky lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:20:22 AM Subject: [CGUYS] mac mini help I think David Watson had it right on Thursday. COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 8 Nov 2007 - Special issue (#2007-806) It sounds like the settings for the visually impaired were switched. System Preferences--Universal Access--Display There is a key combo which inverts the colors to make them easier for some to read. You get white text on a black background and all of the colors get flipped like a negative or an xray. In the control pane, you can flip it or if someone is banging on the keys and they hit the correct combo it will engage. Rocky Date:Fri, 9 Nov 2007 15:51:32 -0800 From:Paul Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mac mini help Removing the plist files worked. Thanks. Still have to find the corrupted but probably won't bother. -PJM Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org - Original Message From: Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 6:41:52 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] mac mini help Toss your com.apple.systempreferences.plist Deleted the file. Restarted. No change. Neither of us know what it was the kids changed so I'm guessing about which plist file is involved, but it is virtually certain that it is one of the plist files. I would move all the likely ones to the desktop and __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] mac mini help
That is the problem, but I am using a kids PC keyboard on the mini so I am not how the keys map. The windows button seems to be the command button, not sure about options. Thanks. -PJM Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org - Original Message From: David K Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 2:53:28 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] mac mini help Is it possible that your screen colors are inverted? Try pressing Control Option Command(apple/cloverleaf) 8. Do it again to return to the previous state if this does not fix the problem. Otherwise, try resetting the PRAM by shutting down the computer, then turning on the computer and pressing and holding the Command-Option-P-R keys. Hold the keys down until the computer restarts and you hear the startup sound for the second time. A third possibility is that the problem is not with the mini but with the display. If it has any front panel buttons, check to see if some settings have been altered. Let us know what happens. David Deleted the file. Restarted. No change. Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org - Original Message From: Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 2:15:12 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] mac mini help My 4yr old was banging on the keyboard and now all the color schemes are messed up, the color setting in System Preference don't indicate the right colors. A restart hasn't fixed it. Running Tiger. Toss your com.apple.systempreferences.plist * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] mac mini help
Removing the plist files worked. Thanks. Still have to find the corrupted but probably won't bother. -PJM Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org - Original Message From: Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 6:41:52 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] mac mini help Toss your com.apple.systempreferences.plist Deleted the file. Restarted. No change. Neither of us know what it was the kids changed so I'm guessing about which plist file is involved, but it is virtually certain that it is one of the plist files. I would move all the likely ones to the desktop and then logoff/logon (you don't have to restart). By trial and error you'll find it. Then copy all the innocent plist files back. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] mac mini help
Deleted the file. Restarted. No change. Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org - Original Message From: Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 2:15:12 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] mac mini help My 4yr old was banging on the keyboard and now all the color schemes are messed up, the color setting in System Preference don't indicate the right colors. A restart hasn't fixed it. Running Tiger. Toss your com.apple.systempreferences.plist * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] mac mini help
My 4yr old was banging on the keyboard and now all the color schemes are messed up, the color setting in System Preference don't indicate the right colors. A restart hasn't fixed it. Running Tiger. -Paul Meyer Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org - Original Message From: Phil Marchetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2007 9:58:50 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] cloning iMac drive Gerald, I'd say to get an external FireWire hard drive either 400 or 800MHz transfer speed. Forget the USB drives that you have as backup drives for your Mac, use FW. Use the USB drives for other things. I have not had a chance to evaluate Time Machine that comes with OS 10.5 So, I'd say... Get software called SuperDuper, set the schedule for every day or every week and you will have a clone (and a complete backup) with minimum fuss, and high reliability. SuperDuper is $28 http://www.shirt-pocket.com/ A good FW drive from OWC is a good thing. http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/on-the-go A compact (no power adapter needed) 160GB 5400 RPM is $150 and has FW 400 + USB 2.0 ! Hard to beat and I have dozens of them running all over DC on my customers Mac's. I use the default schedule of 9:30PM on most of them. Phil Marchetti Mac PC consultant for over 15 years. On Nov 4, 2007, at 9:51 AM, gerald wrote: bought wife an iMac last month. bought a copy of 10.5 for her to load. she wants to clone her drive with the 10.4.X on it before install of 10.5. there is a recommendation of using an external firewire drive instead of an external USB drive. I have a couple USB drives around, but do not have a firewire around. is it really better or necessary to use firewire? will the 2.4ghz 24 support a second internal sata drive? is the cable or connection for support already in the machine? ** ** * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: ComputerGuys-L- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys- [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived ** ** * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs
The Linux Actions guys tell their entire saga of disaffection from Mac users. (They were mac developers and had taken over the administration of a mac community web site). Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org - Original Message From: MrMike6by9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 7:30:00 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs The author of the piece said it right for me as well. My computing days go back to CP/M and UNIX BSD via a dumb terminal. I resisted buying a Mac for the same basic reason cited, the machine users tended to be the sort I didn't want to associate with. Constantly denigrating the choices of others with terms like PeeCee Weenie and more. I did eventually buy a MBP about 18 months ago and use it daily but I don't worship any computer or OS. On another topic. Not buying an iPod is NOT sad. My 4G is 2 years old next month. It has been treated very well, never dropped, etc. However, it has started playing 10 seconds of sounds and skipping to the next track or freezing tighter than a drum. I've read postings in several forums from users of the non-iPhone units are seeing similar weirdness. My 2 year old iRiver unit gets much more use and still runs like a champ. I'm not looking forward to spending $300 every 2 years just because it is made by Apple. -- 'Cosmic giggle' - a randomly roving zone of synchronicity and statistical anomaly. Should you be caught up in it, it will turn reality on its head. It is objective and subjective, simultaneously 'really there' and yet somehow is sustained by imagination and expectation - Terence McKenna * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] UPS Update
Checkout One Laptop P Any UPS units that have self test capabilities? Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org - Original Message From: db [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 3:18:50 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] UPS Update I missed the first part of this string but UPS batteries do wear out... they are only good for several years. And the good thing to know is that with the use of a screwdriver, you can replace them with another from any online battery retailer for $15 to $18. They are the same gel or AGM glass matt batteries that are used in emergency lighting units so are mass produced and inexpensive. db [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My thanks to all the suggestions re. the UPS unit(s) that we have had difficulty with. My husband got serious and did some internet searching re. APC UPS units and found some info about the Battery Back-UPS ES being problematic when dealing with line fluctuation. We phoned APC today (sent them info by e-mail and they actually sent back a phone # that actually reached a real tech support department. Very impressive.) It turns out that they are replacing the unit I bought 3 weeks ago as being defective. They are replacing the unit we bought a couple of years ago (still under warranty) as being defective. They are replacing the battery in a 3rd unit, also under warranty. I'll keep you posted re. whether, or not, the replacements work any better than the current units. Mical Wilmoth Carton [EMAIL PROTECTED] The more sophisticated units often have self-test circuitry even if the unit is setup to be monitored by a connected computer; this may relate to the 2-4 AM thing. The other issue might be a failing battery. They do wear out. I have 2 TrippLite 1000VA units that have a real time read-out for the line voltage. They were about $100 the last time I saw one at Costco. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Power Off?
Checkout One Laptop Per Child You have to climb the protocol stack. Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org - Original Message From: Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Monday, October 8, 2007 3:53:35 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Power Off? Yes, this is interesting. I never have turned off power to the cable modem and separate router because (according to Cox), they require a sequential boot process (is this true?). Yes, but this is just common sense. You have to turn things from the outside inwards. The first box connects to the internet, the next box connects to the first box, etc. Your computer is last. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Grabbing domain names of well-known persons?
The scriptures say not that money is the root of evil but the love of money is. Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org - Original Message From: Vicky Staubly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Monday, October 8, 2007 2:53:23 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Grabbing domain names of well-known persons? On Mon, 8 Oct 2007, Tom Piwowar wrote: I guess this is why even Oprah herself has a site and magazine, etc., to complement her show. Oprah has them to make a lot of money. While Oprah does accomplish much that is good I expect that you could be mighty disillusioned to find out that she is a very good businesswoman first and foremost. Actually, rather than disillusioned, I'm pleased to see at least one example showing that the two things (making a lot of money, and doing good in the world) are not mutually exclusive. -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: XP Gets Life Extension]
As much as I like my macmini, computers won't be completely tinker free until they come with 1)UPS 2) Internet connection 3)Automated backup. #1 is essential if you live with iffy power, (which means me even though this is southern Montgomery Co) #3 you need everywhere I guess everyone does get #2 if you include crappy dialup. - Original Message From: mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 3:46:38 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: XP Gets Life Extension] I could hear music playing, little apple flags waving...rows and rows of imacs standing at attention. Mike On 9/29/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting her a Windows computer would be a triumph of ideology over good sense (leave that to the politicians). An iMac 20 would be perfect. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MacMini: [Was: XP Gets Life Extension]
My appreciation of the value of the MacMini would be radically different if I had bought any of the extra services Apple tried to sell (quite aggresively too, btw). I don't advocate integrate the UPS in a PC, but the PC sales guys (like the Dell reps my in-laws encountered) will pile a dozen options and never mention a UPS. (Btw, does anyone know if home-wide generator backup systems respond quickly enough to power-downs to protect ones hard drives and electronics). Many people may have a rare need for a UPS but on the rare instance when you need it, it's value can be considerable. - Original Message From: Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 12:35:42 PM Subject: [CGUYS] MacMini: [Was: XP Gets Life Extension] As much as I like my macmini, computers won't be completely tinker free until they come with 1)UPS 2) Internet connection 3)Automated backup. #1 is essential if you live with iffy power, (which means me even though this is southern Montgomery Co) #3 you need everywhere I guess everyone does get #2 if you include crappy dialup. 1) A few months ago I removed a client's UPS and their frequent calls for service dropped to zero. Since most people do not have iffy power making a UPS a standard part of a computer would not be a good move. As their UPS aged they would have more and more problems and no easy way to fix them. An external UPS can be easily removed or replaced and the majority of us who do not need a UPS won't have to fuss with one. 2) The computer automatically configures your Internet connection the first time it is turned on. It covers many options and I have never seen it do a bad job at this. If you get the dot-Mac service your get configured for lots of other goodies. What more could you want? 3) If you got the dot-Mac service, this is one of the services that came with it. Since the OS keeps your user files neatly organized in a user domain, backing up user files is greatly simplified. What's not to like? Are you perhaps running Vista on your Intel-based MacMini? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] MacMini: [Was: XP Gets Life Extension]
Well, I understand that battery technology (in a UPS) is problematic on a variety of fronts (weight, reliability, etc) but apparently necessary (for some people) until the circuitry, power supplies and hard drives in PC's become more robust. The internect connection configuration in OSX is absolutely cool compared to Windows networking. Extremely intuitive and simple. Configuration is only part of the internet functionality, obviously. Though the bluetooth connection to a cell phone so that it can be used as reasonably speedy modem is cool, and could be part of utopian, tweak-free PC experience. User file backups are obviously a nice thing, but I would be more impressed if I didn't have to pay extra for them. Given that OSX updates can stop one dead in the water, isn't a disk image backup still a good idea? Also, are internet backups reasonable in the age of Gigabytes of user data (photos, MP3). On the same topic, is there an app that can log your software installations (and their source, if downloads) so that during recovery you get back your configuration as closely as possible or is this built into OSX? PC be sold bundled in a home network with dedicated backup servers, routers, ups (dancing girls/boys and beer would be nice too). - Original Message From: Randy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 2:43:45 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] MacMini: [Was: XP Gets Life Extension] Well, sounds like Macs would be perfectly suited to build in a back up device (or provide an external one) to make backing up as easy and automatic as possible, with options for manual control for those who want or need that. Since Apple has control over the hardware and the software, why not have this? Too much added cost, so may not see competitive? Those who can think beyond their nose might appreciate not having to fool with buying aftermarket devices for this. Maybe someday, when I could afford to, I'd even buy one! Randall - Original Message - From: Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 11:35 AM Subject: [CGUYS] MacMini: [Was: XP Gets Life Extension] As much as I like my macmini, computers won't be completely tinker free until they come with 1)UPS 2) Internet connection 3)Automated backup. #1 is essential if you live with iffy power, (which means me even though this is southern Montgomery Co) #3 you need everywhere I guess everyone does get #2 if you include crappy dialup. 1) A few months ago I removed a client's UPS and their frequent calls for service dropped to zero. Since most people do not have iffy power making a UPS a standard part of a computer would not be a good move. As their UPS aged they would have more and more problems and no easy way to fix them. An external UPS can be easily removed or replaced and the majority of us who do not need a UPS won't have to fuss with one. 2) The computer automatically configures your Internet connection the first time it is turned on. It covers many options and I have never seen it do a bad job at this. If you get the dot-Mac service your get configured for lots of other goodies. What more could you want? 3) If you got the dot-Mac service, this is one of the services that came with it. Since the OS keeps your user files neatly organized in a user domain, backing up user files is greatly simplified. What's not to like? Are you perhaps running Vista on your Intel-based MacMini? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1039 - Release Date: 9/29/2007 9:46 PM * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L *
Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus
I could describe MS selling of software slightly less cynical and propose that breaking old stuff is an unintended consequence of feature driven marketing, but it is still a problem and a top-down not a bottom -up initiated process. Still, the example with Vista is not compelling. You can't make planned obsolesence too obvious, it really pisses off consumers. And of course MS focus these days might be different today (e.g. survival) than 5 or 10 years ago (i.e., selling apps). - Original Message From: Roger D. Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:23:09 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus At 7:11 PM -0400 9/27/07, Steve Rigby wrote: On Sep 27, 2007, at 5:12 PM, Paul Meyer wrote: Rather than being consumer driven changes in software have always been largely done over the objections of the user base. IMHO (List, am I right?) I think you are pretty much right. And yet, a lot of Microsoft's difficulties stem from an apparent mandate to not break anything, no matter how old. In other words, backwards compatibility for user-developed applications (usually corporate; the guys who buy thousands and thousands of copies). That is why only the 64-bit version of Vista has the security really screwed down tight. If they did that in the 32-bit version, it would break too many things. That's my impression, from listening to Steve Gibson's Security Now podcasts. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus
I think Mike is drinking the koolaid on this one. I don't know about Apple but 15 years of familiarity with Microsoft makes it clear to me that software changes (i.e. features) are meant to drive marketing, except unlike model changes in cars they are more pernicious in that breaking old versions is part of the marketing strategy (as is canceling support). Rather than being consumer driven changes in software have always been largely done over the objections of the user base. IMHO (List, am I right?) - Original Message From: mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 3:18:12 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Anti-virus Sounds like you are describing a mac.. And new technology often does not work well with technology that is a decade old. But then you already know that, you just like taking pot shots at MS any chance you get even when there isn't an opening. The routers will catch up. With logic like yours we'd still be using 386's. Mike On 9/27/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is not being able to work well with other software and peripherals a sign of being advanced? What a concept! I never knew that. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Comcast Must Die (in 3 parts)
I just went with FIOStv solely to screw comcast. So far it actually works better and costs less. The DVR is a little funkier but I have dvr playback in two rooms and more movie channels for 10$ less a month. Though that is just the cherry on the revenge cake. (fyi Comcast's on-demand function hasn't worked in weeks and tech support claims it is a widespread problem - are they maxing out on bandwidth?). - Original Message From: Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 4:06:58 PM Subject: [CGUYS] Comcast Must Die (in 3 parts) Read all the delicious goodness at www.adage.com/garfield (he's the guy who does WNYC's On the Media show). * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] A Window of Opportunity for Macs, Soon to Close
Tom, Are you saying Windows users get satisfaction out of being members of a great collective? -P3281 - Original Message From: Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 4:14:26 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] A Window of Opportunity for Macs, Soon to Close I've heard this refrain a few times recently. I guess soon they'll start writing about the Mac taking over with the _next_ Windows release? This was a silly article. The author just doesn't get it. This is something few Windows users understand. Mac users don't get personal affirmation from being part of a great collective. We get our satisfaction from doing jobs well and enjoy work more when we use the fine tools that Apple provides us. Consider this: would a master wood carver use dull and chipped tools just because most people do not take care of their tools? I bet most Mac owners don't eat dinner at McDonald's either. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Nye, the anti-God Science Guy
- Original The obligatory Amiga joke... all's well with the world. - Original Message From: mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2007 10:18:54 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Bill Nye, the anti-God Science Guy Good thing I write these on an Amiga Mike On 9/4/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. A moderator who doesn't moderate means there is no moderating, which makes this an unmoderated list. Which was my point. How did it get so important to you that I be wrong? This list is moderated. If I don't like your posts we send thugs to your house. If you have a Mac the thugs replace it with a PC. If you have a PC the thugs replace it with Linux. If you have Linux the thugs replace it with a Commodore 64. In any event, the offending party is never heard from again. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Nye, the anti-God Science Guy
Suppose there is a situation in which cussing someone out, on the list, is just exactly what is needed to get him to wake up, or whatever it is, and become a helpful, friendly, entertaining, and productive listmember? Tough love on the list is like corporal punishment with children. To wit, if it has a legitimate use, the person most desirous to employ it is rarely the person to apply it well or appropriately. - Original Message From: Robert Michael Abrams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2007 6:07:26 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Bill Nye, the anti-God Science Guy At 06:01 AM 8/22/07, Paul Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did not take particular offense to your rant Mazel tov. Neither did I. Possibly because, your characterization notwithstanding, it wasn't a rant. and thought it reasonably harmless given that the person in question had left the list already You appear to be making the factually incorrect assumption that I intended to speak only to him. but you have to be pretty inexperienced with email to recognize the potential for any stylistic exaggeration to be seen as hostile or angry. 1. I see YOUR stylistic exaggeration as condescending and pedantic. 2. You appear to be making the incorrect assumption that Jeff was not, in fact, hostile or angry, and, therefore, by implication, I was wrong or unfair to have seen him that way. Perhaps, though, you are to be excused for your error, because you do not have the additional benefit of an off-list post from Jeff to me in which he confirmed just how hostile or angry he was. I am reluctant, for obvious reasons of Netiquette, to share a private post with the list. But you have his e-mail address. You are free to ask him to send you a copy of his private post to me, if you want to make up your own mind about whether or not he was hostile or angry. 3. Just because I interpret any one instance, or any set of instances, of stylistic exaggeration [that's a GREAT phrase, BTW] as hostile or angry, it does not follow logically that I will necessarily interpret any other instance, or set of instances, that way, as well. No matter what the topic we all have a responsibility to be respectful. That's YOUR opinion. It also strikes me as dogmatic and inflexible. It wouldn't occur to me to state such a thing as a rule for anyone other than myself, since I don't think I'm wise enough to discern, before the fact, every set of circumstances that might occur to everybody else, and then conclude that being respectful is the best course for all of them. Suppose there is a situation in which cussing someone out, on the list, is just exactly what is needed to get him to wake up, or whatever it is, and become a helpful, friendly, entertaining, and productive listmember? Suppose you discern, correctly, that some other listmember will continue to dish you dirt unless and until you give HIM a dose, at which point he will back off? As a general proposition, however, I agree that being respectful is the way to go when responding to posts, particularly if the posts to which you respond are respectful of you. I don't know that one is the final arbiter of whether or not one is or was respectful, though. Suppose, for instance, that somebody sends you a post that is condescending and pedantic, yet the sender insists that everybody has a responsibility to be respectful. How would you handle THAT? One more thing: I wonder how many listmembers, apart from myself, believe that you have to be pretty arrogant to think that it is your place to tell every other listmember what his or her responsibility is. I actually think the Nye thread was somewhat offensive. All of it? Particular parts or comments? I don't understand your observation, because you don't provide, for me, anyway, sufficient specificity. Maybe its patronizing but I tend to see people with fundamentalist views as somehow deprived (of info, education, etc). Just as, I guess (and guessing is all I'm doing, since I don't claim to speak for those to/about whom Bill Nye spoke), they view you as deprived of the benefits of God's grace and salvation through Jesus. In both instances, though, each of you views yourself as somehow better off than the other guy. And, also in both instances, it is a VERY short step from seeing oneself as better off than the other guy to seeing oneself as better than the other guy. Perhaps you have noticed that some people are better than others at avoiding that step. Or perhaps not. We could say that the retarded are stupid and no matter how accurate it is seem both mean-spirited and pointless. Such a statement only serves the need of the speaker to vent (or be cruel). Unless, of course, your point is to BE mean-spirited or cruel. But then, one might excuse oneself such mean-spiritedness, or fail even
Re: [CGUYS] Change in Terminology AND broken iBooks
The command line also allows you to have carnal knowledge with yourself. - Original Message From: Wayne Dernoncourt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 3:48:53 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Change in Terminology AND broken iBooks Tom Piwowar I was hoping that I could get Linux to work like I hoped, Mac seemed to most of what I wanted to do. And speaking of a change in terminology, just fire up Terminal and you will find yourself emersed in that black-hole known as Unix. Before I ever touched a MS-DOS system (pre-Windows), I dealt exclusively with the command line on VAX/VMS and PDP-11 running RSX-11M. Yes, the command line and I are usually on speaking terms. Unfortunately, I'm getting older and not as patient a I used to be. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Radioactive halibut will make fission chips * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Canada
I think the Netherlands, Sweden, West Germany, even France in some ways are preferable models but Canada does have something going for it. A national health insurance (with essentially doctors) might be more sellable. There is alot of objective evidence that one thing our government does well is efficiently run insurance programs. - Original Message From: rlsimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:13:04 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Canada The model to follow is not Canada ...it's the Netherlands !! -Original Message- From: b s-w [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 10:42 AM Subject: Re: Canada Creating a less expensive, probably single-payer, health care system that nearly everybody wants isn't socialism. It isn't welfare, since we will be paying for it, only we will pay significantly less than with the current for-profit system. It's smart fiscal policy when you can improve service and reduce price; doesn't matter whether it's a private or public system, or combination of both, as long as it works better, i.e. more effectively and economically, than what we have. Smart fiscal policy makes sense at home, in the community, nationally, and internationally. That means getting what we pay for at the best quality we can afford, at the best price. It also means that you don't go into debt to pay for necessities and leave that debt for your children to repay. This applies to health care as well as electronics choices and purchases, and many other fiscal/economic decisions we all need to make. Betty Admission of Interest:Paula, I AM a socialist, hopefullly a thoughful and knowledgeable one. I personally think that national healtcare is too important to use a means of scoring cheap political points towards a larger agenda. Even so, I have some observations on is nat.health care 'as' socialism... Socialism is used a as bugaboo in this country synonymoulsy with Communism, you might as well say Satanic - they both start with 'S'... In the rest of the world, even conservatives will admit the differences (e.g. commitment to democracy) There is no question that all aspects of the welfare state including are historically associated with political movements associated with the political Left which in most countries are socialists. Health care is no exception. However (!), national health care always had a broad base of support, everywhere outside the US, because even rich people... * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Canada
Of course it is not socialism, I merely was pointing out that it historically inaccurate to deny that socialists deserve the lion share of credit for struggling for it in the rest of the world. And that fact is enough in and of itself for people of a not-uncommon mindset to oppose it. (Btw, I don't think there is anyone smarter in the world about social and economic party than the Swedish Socialdemocratic Party) - Original Message From: b s-w [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 10:41:52 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Canada Creating a less expensive, probably single-payer, health care system that nearly everybody wants isn't socialism. It isn't welfare, since we will be paying for it, only we will pay significantly less than with the current for-profit system. It's smart fiscal policy when you can improve service and reduce price; doesn't matter whether it's a private or public system, or combination of both, as long as it works better, i.e. more effectively and economically, than what we have. Smart fiscal policy makes sense at home, in the community, nationally, and internationally. That means getting what we pay for at the best quality we can afford, at the best price. It also means that you don't go into debt to pay for necessities and leave that debt for your children to repay. This applies to health care as well as electronics choices and purchases, and many other fiscal/economic decisions we all need to make. Betty Admission of Interest:Paula, I AM a socialist, hopefullly a thoughful and knowledgeable one. I personally think that national healtcare is too important to use a means of scoring cheap political points towards a larger agenda. Even so, I have some observations on is nat.health care 'as' socialism... Socialism is used a as bugaboo in this country synonymoulsy with Communism, you might as well say Satanic - they both start with 'S'... In the rest of the world, even conservatives will admit the differences (e.g. commitment to democracy) There is no question that all aspects of the welfare state including are historically associated with political movements associated with the political Left which in most countries are socialists. Health care is no exception. However (!), national health care always had a broad base of support, everywhere outside the US, because even rich people... 10.38 viernes - Sé un Mejor Amante del Cine ¿Quieres saber cómo? ¡Deja que otras personas te ayuden!. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Canada
Admission of Interest:Paula, I AM a socialist, hopefullly a thoughful and knowledgeable one. I personally think that national healtcare is too important to use a means of scoring cheap political points towards a larger agenda. Even so, I have some observations on is nat.health care 'as' socialism... Socialism is used a as bugaboo in this country synonymoulsy with Communism, you might as well say Satanic - they both start with 'S'... In the rest of the world, even conservatives will admit the differences (e.g. commitment to democracy) There is no question that all aspects of the welfare state including are historically associated with political movements associated with the political Left which in most countries are socialists. Health care is no exception. However (!), national health care always had a broad base of support, everywhere outside the US, because even rich people realized the public health consequences of lots of sick poor people. (TB was the prime motivating fear for the first national health's and given the emergence of resistant strains of TB we really should be motivated to get off our collective behinds...) Whatever the form univeral access takes it will require the government restructuring of health care markets. This will be attacked as socialist (and already is) no matter what distinctions u.a. supporters will make. Those folks who fear creeping socialism will probably never support u.a. Given that, I think the most effective reply (rather than getting into a is it or isn't it debate) will be , So what. Whatever it is, it works. And it will. -Paul Meyer - Original Message From: Paula Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:39:25 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Canada I am not sure. When you talk about rationing it sounds like a bad thing. But in terms of dollars and cents the Canadian System has to make sure that the tax money is well spent. In the US the private sector has a lot of rationing by the insurance companies. And then there is the case of the ones who don´t have insurance and have to use the Emergency Rooms to have care when things go out of hand. Isn´t this a form of rationing? A perverse one? It absolutely is rationing.we just don't call it that. Depending on the procedure and your insurance company (if you even have one) you may or may not be allowed to have said procedure. It's up to, not your doctor , a medical professional, but your insurance company employee who was hired off the street. It happens way more than most people want to think. If you are a patient in an HMO where the dr. makes more money by NOT prescribing expensive tests or sending you to a specialist, you are rationed in your care. National health care is NOT socialist or socialized medicine. People with money can still go where they wish and pay the price. Even if you are using gov't paid care, you could still choose your dr. It depends on how it is set up. But, until a way is found to get insurance companies and profit out of the practice of medicine, I see no hope for us. Paula IN/USA Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO what a ride! Have a wonderful day! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location
Duh, the only reason there can be a Fed Ex is because the Post Office handles the bulk of the mail. The PO obviously could be better, but it really needs a more democratic political system, so that it's users could pressure it through Congress. The existing system is just not that democratic. That is not an argument for abolishing the PO (inadvisable) but for reforming politics (really hard, but what else are you going do) - Original Message From: Jeff Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:37:00 PM Subject: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location Here's a little different take on the Canadian Health Care System by someone who lived in Canada for years...worth reading. Socializing the health care industry would be biggest mistake this country has ever made. Post Office vs Fed Ex. Enough said. Follow the link below to read the truth about the socialized Canadian Health Care System. http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2007/07/06/2007-07-06_more_lies_from_moore.html * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location (off topic)
Also, some ridiculous portion of doctor costs go to navigating all the existing plans and corresponding forms. It is like an industry unto itself. - Original Message From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 10:00:08 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location (off topic) Paula I once heard it said that if we made Insurance mandatory and paid for every ones health insurance our premiums would actually go down due to less extraordinary procedures and other influences. It is possible to cover everyone for health insurance, we just have to change the way we think, and as you said take the profit motive out of the equation. Stewart At 08:50 PM 8/15/2007, you wrote: I guess it really doesn't matter which was where. My mother also died because of an aortic aneurysmdiagnosed late by incompetant dr.s here in the good old USA. She was diagnosed correctly , but too late, after my husband, a physician, made arrangements to get her moved from IL by ambulance to Indy so we could have someone we knew look at her. So, to get good treatment, she too had to travel hundreds of miles to a reputable medical area. And her sister,my aunt, died following hip surgery at age 80 and she DID have good care but she was OLD. And, medicare and her insurance did pay it. S*it happens! Being in the US is no guarantee of good care or a good outcome even if you can pay for it and we pay and pay and pay for the privilege of mediocre care. And as has been stated 45 million people can't afford any care at all. Shameful. I'd prefer to pay a slight increase in taxes if need be and do away with the outrageous insurance fees we pay. We'd come out ahead. Paula Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Canada
All health care systems, including the US ration resources on some basis. The ironic thing about the health care debate focusing on Canada and Britain as alternative models is that we are familiar with them because of linguistic and cultural similarities but neither are particularly well funded compared to other forms of universal access and while I would prefer either of them to what we have now, they are not the best that is possible. Also, because of the EU, Britons are now traveling to the Continent to get better care from other national health systems (Belgium is poplular) and the National Health Service has to pay for it. Though I am politically in sync with M Moore I do think he is an idiot, even if a funny one. Nonetheless, Fresh Air did an interview with a political scientist who is a health care expert to do a review of Sicko, and though he had some criticisms, he says Moore gets alot right about the American health care system.If you want a very smart and informed treatment of these issues, Jonathon Cohn's Sick (also interviewed on Fresh Air) Oh yeah, just to stay on topic, computers! on Fresh Air). - Original Message From: Marcio V. Pinheiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 4:47:21 PM Subject: [CGUYS] Canada I lived in Canada for 4.5 years and all my in-laws live there still. Canada's health system is different than ours. They have mandatory health insurance, but the province administrates the health insurance so it makes sure everyone can afford it. I do not know how much it is but it is less expensive than ours is. Much less expensive and offers universal access Doctors get paid the same way they do down here, fee per procedure. However the rate of reimbursement is lower, and it is negotiated between the Doctors and the Provincial health insurance authority. Not much lower. Doctors are private, that is, not employees of the system and the canadians can choose them. A psychiatrist makes a little less but he doesn´t have to spend administrative costs that they spend in America dealing with managed care. The biggest difference is with the Hospitals. Hospitals in Canada are flat funded. They do not get paid by stay or procedure. Plus each hospital may have one or two big machines to use (CT Scans, MRI's etc.) My father-in-law had tot ravel 200 mils for his angioplasty as the only hospital in his region to perform that procedure was 00 mile way. He must travel 60 miles or 90 miles for an MRI as those are the closest machines. He has a local hospital that is quite large but it has no MRI machine as it has not been funded or it. Yes, Canandians sometimes have to travel to get the examinations but this is not the rule. Canada limits it health spending by Rationing health care and procedures. This sounds terrible to us, but they have made it work. If you are sick you will get treated,but they do not do hip replacements on 90 years olds. In the USA things are also rationed. When I was a psychiatrist working in America managed care restricted a lot what I wanted to do for my patients in termos of lenght and frequency of sessions, hospitalizations, etc. It was terrible. I know this first hand. My first child was born in Canada. He was born with congenital heart problems that necessitated his treatment both in the local hospital and the Children's hospital in Toronto. He never lacked for care. His doctors were mainly US born and trained Doctors. We never doubted that they did all that they could for him. I also never saw a bill!!! If I had been living in the states, I would have been bankrupt with medical bills, even though I had Med insurance. (I was in my first placement after seminary making little or nothing.) Many in the US go bankrupt. The US is the only country or almost that doesn´t consider health care a right. The biggest difference between many of these countries and ours is that they have taken the profit motive out of it, and made work, but they also practice a form of rationing that we may not be comfortable with. I am not sure. When you talk about rationing it sounds like a bad thing. But in terms of dollars and cents the Canadian System has to make sure that the tax money is well spent. In the US the private sector has a lot of rationing by the insurance companies. And then there is the case of the ones who don´t have insurance and have to use the Emergency Rooms to have care when things go out of hand. Isn´t this a form of rationing? A perverse one? We like our medical care when we want and it and how we want it. That will not work in those type of systems. Well this only applies to a portion of the US population. Don´t forget that there are 45.000.000 uninsured Americans... Regards Marcio
Re: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location
The idea that America's health care system is the best is highly dubious, you can cherry pick diseases (and interpreting them is highly misleading, eg how many African Americans die of high blood pressure or diabetes before they get a chance to die of cancer...) but in general the aggregate health outcomes in industrialized countries are essentially the same. - Original Message From: Jeff Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:07:19 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20148 Not trying to start a war here...but if people can post their links, so can I. Not everybody agrees with Michael Moore's health care ideas. Above is a link to an article about one noted physician with some facts that may make you rethink socialism. The health care systems in socialized countries leave much to be desired. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] List Etiquette
As sympathetic as I I go away on vacation and all heck breaks loose... As sympathetic as I am to call for more respect on this list, I think Chris has missed one important point about the Vista upgrade issue. It is NOT a purely technical question in terms of evaluating features and performance (including in security). It will take years (maybe only one and a half) to evaluate objectively the claims. Also, remember that upgrading software is part of marketing strategies, MS is not alone in this sin. Companies make it hard to avoid upgrades, it is not out of concern for your system's usability or reliability. In short, the upgrade question is intimately tied to MS's credibility. You can agree with Tom or not, and perhaps is style is needlessly off-putting, but MS bashing is completely on topic. It is an opinion on whether MS marketing claims are credible. - Original Message From: Michael Wosnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2007 5:21:04 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] List Etiquette I have to agree completely. As the one who started this last (XP vs Vista) thread, I have to say that the banter and the bashing has always been here, and most of the time I find it amusing (as long as the barbs are not directed at me!). Sometimes I find it frustrating, and sometimes I just shake my head and wonder how it can be that some people have such deep seated biases but more to the point that they have so much time on their hands as to get to that level of he said/she said sort of stuff on and on and on. All that said, I belong to several such computer lists but whenever I have a question, or get myself into a pickle or need some quick advice, this is ALWAYS the FIRST list I post to. The speed of response, the level and quality of information, and the sophistication and tolerance of most posters has never let me down. And I thank you all very sincerely and very humbly for that, despite the fact that sometimes, like all of you, I have to wade through a bunch of mush to get it :) Michael rlsimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list has been an ongoing source of informative postings that, over several years, have never failed to be useful, insightful, and sometimes amusing; rarely has anything been distasteful. I, for one, am grateful for all the trouble many have gotten me out of neatly and with tolerance of my entry level knowledge. For anything down-putting or off-putting, there's always the old trusty DEL key!! -Original Message- From: Snyder, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: List Etiquette You gotta pay to play on this list, folks. Most of the bantering here is fairly tame stuff with few hard core flamers. If you can't take _that_ perhaps you want the we all think the same list. Those who are now complaining want to discuss windows issues without unhelpful/unfriendly interruption. The list is what it is, has been this way for many years, and whining will not change it. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I have to concur with this in spades. I can't recall the last post that was a simple bash at Apple for no reason. Or a post containing blatant misinformation about Apple to try and make them look bad. Some users on this list put out a constant never ending flow of BS about MS/windows. They don't need a reason and pull it out nowhere on topics that have nothing to do with what the topics are about. I have no problem with a windows bashing thread, but does the windows bashing have to be in *every* thread? We all know very well who hates MS here, do we need to be reminded daily? BTW, ... * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L *
Re: [CGUYS] swap drives
I guess most bios allow a USB boot (?) What's the advantage of eSata? Having drives from mulitple OS's in the box at the same time is most convenient for sharing, I am just wary of the USB speed. Of course with two bays I can have multiple OS and swap in replacement drives! - Original Message From: mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Friday, August 3, 2007 12:10:04 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] swap drives Another solution, possibly is eSATA, unless you have specific reasons for wanting internal drives. Mike On 8/3/07, Paul Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fred does that mean you are using propietary drive/connectors that only work with same make of bay? Or is the because drives are changing over time? (Did you make the comment, Fred?) -P - Original Message From: Paul Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Friday, August 3, 2007 12:50:01 AM Subject: [CGUYS] swap drives Anyone have experience with brands of swap-able drive bays. Btw, if you didn't have this find list to solicit opinions, where on the web/net is a good place to reliable reviews, feedback etc. -Paul Meyer * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] swap drives
- Original Message From: Thanks, sata sounds like the way. - Original Message From: Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Friday, August 3, 2007 10:51:08 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] swap drives We use el cheapo Genica EIDE drive bays. Like $10 for a male-female combo. But I dunno that I _prefer_ them over any other brands, it's just that now we've got so many it's not like I can test a lot of others. They _do_ have fans. Our biggest problem has always been the nature of the EIDE bus. This sometimes results in the drive slowing down to PIO (glacial) speeds. Lately I've taken to moving the DVDR (normally slave) drives to SATA. Once the removable drives are alone on that bus they work okay. If I was going to start doing this today, I'd start with SATA drive bays/drives. On 8/3/07, Paul Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have experience with brands of swap-able drive bays. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] swap drives
Failure recovery, dual OS's, feelings of power and consequence when I insert those drives... - Original Message From: mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Friday, August 3, 2007 4:19:36 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] swap drives What is your end goal? Data storage...or? Mike On 8/3/07, John Duncan Yoyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may want to look at Drobo http://www.drobo.com/products.aspx#products_nav the data robot. It lets you hot swap drives into a box that manages backups and builds something like a RAID array for $500 plus the cost of drives. I have no experience with it but it appears to be pretty idiot proof for swapping drives in and out. they have a video on the site of a guy sliding bare drives into the box and they work almost immediately. On 8/3/07, db [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not all external drives have fans. Metal Gear Box ones (IDE SATA models combo models) are nice, inexpensive and do not. eSATA drives are rare and have a different connector than SATA ... you have to have the card with the eSATA connector and a eSATA cable. Most external SATA drives are USB2 or 1394 firewire... Paul Meyer wrote: - Original Message From: Thanks, sata sounds like the way. - Original Message From: Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Friday, August 3, 2007 10:51:08 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] swap drives We use el cheapo Genica EIDE drive bays. Like $10 for a male-female combo. But I dunno that I _prefer_ them over any other brands, it's just that now we've got so many it's not like I can test a lot of others. They _do_ have fans. Our biggest problem has always been the nature of the EIDE bus. This sometimes results in the drive slowing down to PIO (glacial) speeds. Lately I've taken to moving the DVDR (normally slave) drives to SATA. Once the removable drives are alone on that bus they work okay. If I was going to start doing this today, I'd start with SATA drive bays/drives. On 8/3/07, Paul Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have experience with brands of swap-able drive bays. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] swap drives
Anyone have experience with brands of swap-able drive bays. Btw, if you didn't have this find list to solicit opinions, where on the web/net is a good place to reliable reviews, feedback etc. -Paul Meyer * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone vs. IT: Clash of the Culture Titans
My problem with overseas support is that they seemed to be sworn on pain of death to never pass a customer on to a supervisor or some other higher up. That may be incidental to being overseas. Though companies that are support oriented tend to want to keep their support operations close to home, and that could be the causal chain. - Original Message From: Michael Fernando [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 7:17:13 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] iPhone vs. IT: Clash of the Culture Titans On 7/30/07, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Slow down one of the reasons we cannot understand them is that they cannot speak English well enough to handle support calls. Jeff's comment was about the _accent_. Had it been about the tech support workers not being able to speak English, I wouldn't have touched it with a ten foot pole. You've read way too much into my exchange with Jeff so I'm leaving the rest of your e-mail untouched (except the very end). Oh the capiche remark was his attempt at being cute. (your comment was uncalled for, Jeff's capiche remark was directed at me. (Perhaps, unintentionally but,) it came across to _me_ as condescending. Hence my comments; and I dismissed it with an 'I don't care whatever ...' IMHO, it was his remark that was uncalled for. not start an ethnic war over a comment that was a reflection of poor hiring practices and the shipment overseas of all sorts of computer support jobs. Oh, really? Please go back and check. His comment was about accents and knives. And, he said No, I *don't* have a problem with overseas tech support. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone vs. IT: Clash of the Culture Titans
If my mother-in-law is any example, that ones that try hardest to blend into upper-middle class suburbia and decry all the foul language on HBO are actually right of the Sopranos. ; - Original Message From: mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 1:46:42 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] iPhone vs. IT: Clash of the Culture Titans all Italians are NOT... sheesh Mike On 7/29/07, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's Italian...Jeff was being ironical. And no, all Italians are straight from the Godfather. Mike On 7/29/07, Michael Fernando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, what's with the Capiche? Is that mafia-speak? You lecturing me? Whatever ... * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] OS X maintenance routines
How do I get control of the log files. I am running out of space and that is mostly RSS feeds but I am looking for anything else I can clear out while I am it. - Original Message From: Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 3:10:41 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] OS X maintenance routines Maintenance of the file system with scheduled utilities is a *nix thing to increase file reliability that goes way back. Actually if you read those scripts you will see that all they do is rotate log files. OS X would make Commander Ductape proud. It logs almost everything you do. Those log files grow very large so the maintenance scripts archive the old and start a new log file. Different log files grow at different rates so that is why you hace daily, weekly, and monthly scripts. At present the log files to not get emailed to Homeland Security. They probably didn't think of doing it yet. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
