Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-10 Thread Jeff Miles
I've only been vaguely following this, but I don't understand what's wrong with the camcorders with built in hard drives. I'm also usually anti-Sony. However I do have a Sony DCR-SR80 with built in 60 gig hard drive. That gives me 13+ hours of record time at its' finest setting. If I know

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-05 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 12:33 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Dec 4, 2009, at 9:35 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: > >> Actually the cards are relatively cheap and have as long a life as the >> tapes. >> > > I was taught to always use a new tape for every shoot. Every pass through > the recorder increased t

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-05 Thread tjpa
On Dec 4, 2009, at 9:35 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Actually the cards are relatively cheap and have as long a life as the tapes. I was taught to always use a new tape for every shoot. Every pass through the recorder increased the probability of drop outs. Never want to risk that. R

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Isn't reliable? Usually the problem with flash is how it is handled or mishandled I should say. I have a few digital cameras and am using cards that are in and out once to twice a week. I use both the card reader on my laptop, and a thumb drive that reads the cards. No problems. For cons

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread mike
If yer a pro, you don't run out. These cameras are state of the art by any standard. You can keep your film..can you find another camera that can record in 4k as these do? This all amounts to tools for the job, to believe in absolutes is wrong. Tape is good, other mediums are good. You do what

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread b_s-wilk
Depends on what you needs are, the new Red cameras are ssd/HD flash based. These things are shooting 4k too. What do you do when you're shooting on location and run out of HD space? Buy another camera? Flash isn't reliable enough yet. Solid state drives are absurdly expensive and cumbersome co

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Actually the cards are relatively cheap and have as long a life as the tapes. Video heads are notoriously delicate and get out of alignment easily. Unless you are using a pro rig the ones with cards are better than the ones with discs. Kodak has a relatively inexpensive one that did quite wel

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread mike
Depends on what you needs are, the new Red cameras are ssd/HD flash based. These things are shooting 4k too. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:03 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > On Dec 4, 2009, at 1:55 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: >> >>> Most pros use tape. >>> >> >> Probably true, because most of them bought their gear

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread b_s-wilk
The guy asked a straightforward question about video. There's no need for 2-3 rabid Mac fans to pile on and hijack the topic. Take your medications already. I'm a pro. Don't have to be rabid to know which hardware and software is best for results and the bottom line. What's your problem? Can't

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread b_s-wilk
On Dec 4, 2009, at 1:55 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Most pros use tape. Probably true, because most of them bought their gear years ago. Nope. New camcorders have tape. SD cards are good too, but easy to lose, and expensive compared to tape. Some have both tape and SD. Direct to DVD is stupid [Son

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread b_s-wilk
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Victor Subervi wrote: So Betty, can I run my Adobe Premiere (that sucks:/ ) built for Windoze on a Mac? Actually, yes you can. I'm suprised no-one here mentioned that you can run Windows on a Mac, either via dual-booting (Boot Camp) or in a virtual machine (Parallels). I'll

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread tjpa
On Dec 4, 2009, at 1:55 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Most pros use tape. Probably true, because most of them bought their gear years ago. But what should one buy today? Not beta! http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-SVAV100-Digital-Recorder-Optical/dp/BDCXJJ

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread mike
If you are getting/building a pc, then more power is always better. i7 cpu...more ram more ram... If you are near a fry's electronics there are deals galore for cpu/mobo's, newegg also carries deals. As I said, check out the AVS forums, might want to poke around the revision 3 forums also. I kn

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread tjpa
On Dec 4, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Victor Subervi wrote: Regarding everyone's recommendation for iMac...no. That's nice I can buy cheap s/w to edit video. What about my Adobe Suite for Windoze? Can I get the suite for $200? No. I have other s/w as well. It's not just a matter of editing video. S

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread Tony B
The guy asked a straightforward question about video. There's no need for 2-3 rabid Mac fans to pile on and hijack the topic. Take your medications already. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, priv

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread Vicky Staubly
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, mike wrote: You can, but there is no point in this case. If he were just going to run windows, he could build a machine much cheaper than buying a mac. The point is to have the best os with some of the best video editing software around. Well, yes, but by buying a Mac and

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread mike
A forum like avsforums may be a good place to look also. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:45 PM, mike wrote: > You can, but there is no point in this case. If he were just going to run > windows, he could build a machine much cheaper than buying a mac. The point > is to have the best os with some of

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread mike
You can, but there is no point in this case. If he were just going to run windows, he could build a machine much cheaper than buying a mac. The point is to have the best os with some of the best video editing software around. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Vicky Staubly wrote: > On Fri, 4 D

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread Victor Subervi
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:27 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > So Betty, can I run my Adobe Premiere (that sucks:/ ) built for Windoze on >> a >> Mac? >> > > You can sell your Adobe Premiere, and budget $199 [or less--buy discount > for $150 new] for Final Cut Express with the money you save by using a Mac >

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread b_s-wilk
So Betty, can I run my Adobe Premiere (that sucks:/ ) built for Windoze on a Mac? You can sell your Adobe Premiere, and budget $199 [or less--buy discount for $150 new] for Final Cut Express with the money you save by using a Mac with a good $700 prosumer camera instead of buying a pro camera

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread Vicky Staubly
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Victor Subervi wrote: So Betty, can I run my Adobe Premiere (that sucks:/ ) built for Windoze on a Mac? Actually, yes you can. I'm suprised no-one here mentioned that you can run Windows on a Mac, either via dual-booting (Boot Camp) or in a virtual machine (Parallels). I'll

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread b_s-wilk
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:26 AM, Victor Subervi wrote: > Tony B asks what kind of video I'm editing. I'll be buying a high-end video > cam (probably a Canon XM2) to shoot for Web sites. Most pros use tape. Tape is better than hard drives. Tapes are limited to the number of tapes you can fit i

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread Victor Subervi
So Betty, can I run my Adobe Premiere (that sucks:/ ) built for Windoze on a Mac? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.or

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread b_s-wilk
You're a victim of the fallacy that Macs are expensive. They're not, especially if you're using a computer for business. The software isn't necessarily expensive either, and for business, it's a tax deductible expense. The best video editing software is Final Cut Pro, hands down. You can also u

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread Victor Subervi
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Tony B wrote: Regarding everyone's recommendation for iMac...no. That's nice I can buy cheap s/w to edit video. What about my Adobe Suite for Windoze? Can I get the suite for $200? No. I have other s/w as well. It's not just a matter of editing video. If you can a

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread Tony B
If you can afford it, get the Sony Z5, but for $2000 you may have to drop down to the Sony HD1000. Both are HDV, meaning they use the old standard miniDV tapes. But really, just for web video I think you should start with one of the cheaper cameras I mentioned earlier. Although Youtube has started

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread tjpa
On Dec 4, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Tony B wrote: If you want a cheapo all-around camcorder right now consider the Canon HV40 HDV ($700). More tempting in the <$1000 department would be the Sony HDR-CX100 AVCHD HD Camcorder ($360). There's a lot to be said for a tapeless workflow, not the least of which

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread tjpa
On Dec 4, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Victor Subervi wrote: You're way over my head, Tony. I was thinking about getting a camcorder for around $2K. Horrors no. That route is 5 years out of date. And the specs for web video are very different than video specs of 5 years ago. I would budget the whole

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread Victor Subervi
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Tony B wrote: > Oh, and how could I forget - the Flip camcorders will do acceptable > 720P video. $150 at Amazon now with free shipping. > > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Tony B wrote: > > The XM2 (or GL2?) would not be a wise investment at this point. I know

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread Tony B
Oh, and how could I forget - the Flip camcorders will do acceptable 720P video. $150 at Amazon now with free shipping. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Tony B wrote: > The XM2 (or GL2?) would not be a wise investment at this point. I know > you'll see lots of cheap used ones for sale, but that's

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread Tony B
The XM2 (or GL2?) would not be a wise investment at this point. I know you'll see lots of cheap used ones for sale, but that's for two reasons: 1) it uses tape, and those mechanisms wear badly, and 2) it is SD only. Avoid it. If you want a cheapo all-around camcorder right now consider the Canon H

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-04 Thread Victor Subervi
Mike suggested I use a Mac. Forget the Mac. I can't afford the s/w, if you read between the lines what I'm saying here. Tony B asks what kind of video I'm editing. I'll be buying a high-end video cam (probably a Canon XM2) to shoot for Web sites. db (database?) recommended I google, always an exc

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-03 Thread mike
Agreed. The only reason you'd build this thing yourself is if you already knew what you were doing. This doesn't preclude getting/building a pc, but if editing video is what you want to do and not build a pc and test it etc etc...look at Betty's advice. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:53 PM, b_s-wilk

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-03 Thread b_s-wilk
Victor Subervi escribió: I need to build a machine that will enable me to edit video. I've been told I should have circa 16 gigs of RAM and two graphics cards. I also have an opportunity to pick up a desktop from a cyber cafe that's going out of business at a bargain price. The computers are on

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-03 Thread mike
Find out what she is doing first. Budget is a constraint to some, she don't need no mac pro if she's wanting to edit a home movie of her dog playing in the pool and an imac would do just fine. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:36 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Dec 3, 2009, at 1:31 PM, mike wrote: > >> I think eit

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-03 Thread tjpa
On Dec 3, 2009, at 1:31 PM, mike wrote: I think either way a good solid choice would be a mac...but how serious you are matters as to how much money you will have to spend. When Mike and I agree, you know we must be right. Get a Mac Pro and use it as is. The smaller model, the Quad Core, c

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-03 Thread db
Very unlikely email browsing computers would be optimal for what you want. They are probably very inexpensive / minimal capabilities machines. Buy something appropriate from the Dell or Apple outlet and add your video cards etc.. I'm not the one to tell you the specs of that ... other to say th

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-03 Thread Tony B
Highly unlikely you need more than 4 gigs of ram to edit most video. What type of video is it? The desktop might work (again, what type of video?). Be sure to format the drives, or just replace them. You don't need special video cards to edit video. You may have to add a 1394 (firewire) card to i

Re: [CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-03 Thread mike
How serious are you? Are you trying to go pro or are you talking about just doing some home movies? I think either way a good solid choice would be a mac...but how serious you are matters as to how much money you will have to spend. There are windows alternatives, but out of the box I think a ma

[CGUYS] Hardware Reccomendations

2009-12-03 Thread Victor Subervi
Hi; I need to build a machine that will enable me to edit video. I've been told I should have circa 16 gigs of RAM and two graphics cards. I also have an opportunity to pick up a desktop from a cyber cafe that's going out of business at a bargain price. The computers are only a year old. I don't kn