Re: [crossfire] building very old versions
Wow, very cool! On Jul 6, 2016 17:02, "Rick Tanner" wrote: > All available release files I had access to or were given (thank you > mwedel!) are available at: > > http://crossfire.real-time.com/download/archive/ > > I also discovered I had a very old copy of historic content from > ftp.ifi.uio.no which is now located at: > > http://crossfire.real-time.com/download/archive/historic/ > > And includes: > README > crossfire-0.01.tar.gz > crossfire-0.10.tar.gz > gauntlet.c > gmap > > If anyone else has old release files to share, please let me know - I > would be happy to make arrangements with you to complete the download > file history. > > > > ___ > crossfire mailing list > crossfire@metalforge.org > http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire > ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire
Re: [crossfire] building very old versions
All available release files I had access to or were given (thank you mwedel!) are available at: http://crossfire.real-time.com/download/archive/ I also discovered I had a very old copy of historic content from ftp.ifi.uio.no which is now located at: http://crossfire.real-time.com/download/archive/historic/ And includes: README crossfire-0.01.tar.gz crossfire-0.10.tar.gz gauntlet.c gmap If anyone else has old release files to share, please let me know - I would be happy to make arrangements with you to complete the download file history. ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire
Re: [crossfire] building very old versions
On 06/28/16 12:36 AM, Robert Brockway wrote: On Mon, 16 May 2016, Mark Wedel wrote: I can certainly make any of the versions available if desired. Yes please. Like others I'd like to keep ancient versions archived and for review. I've uploaded to a place where Leaf has access, so hopefully he will make those available. Unfortunately, I seem to only have as far back as 0.91.7, though it seems I first started doing releases with 0.90 or 0.91. I do have the RCS tree from before it was added to CVS (I don't think CVS had any way to import RCS, so what was just latest (0.95.0) became the basis for CVS. The transition to SVN should have kept the previous CVS commits, so in theory, one could get as far back as 0.95.0 from what we have in SVN (each release should have been tagged so shouldn't actually be that hard) The RCS tree I have is only the server part - I don't think arch/maps were put under any real version control until they became part of the CVS repo. ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire
Re: [crossfire] building very old versions
That name rings a bell from way back when. Not quite "cauldron.exe" time, but near. Matthew Giassa, MASc, BASc, EIT Security and Embedded Systems Specialist linkedin: https://ca.linkedin.com/in/giassa e-mail: matt...@giassa.net website: www.giassa.net On 06/28/16 00:36, Robert Brockway wrote: On Mon, 16 May 2016, Mark Wedel wrote: It also looks (via a quick grep of 'skill *.README') that the skill code first appeared in 0.92.1. Before that time, each character just had a single experience total and level, and that overall level determined things like ability to cast spells, ability to hit things, hp, sp, etc. I still have my original Crossfire character (Lars the Northman) who would date from around '95. Lars passed beyond the world of mortals long ago. Today he lives on as a pure DM character who only appears when the DM is needed. When I brought Lars back after years archived I think the game gave him a few base skills automatically. Lars was probably archived for 10 years. I'm impressed that I was able to load such an old character and have the game cope. I can certainly make any of the versions available if desired. Yes please. Like others I'd like to keep ancient versions archived and for review. Cheers, Rob ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire
Re: [crossfire] building very old versions
On Mon, 16 May 2016, Mark Wedel wrote: It also looks (via a quick grep of 'skill *.README') that the skill code first appeared in 0.92.1. Before that time, each character just had a single experience total and level, and that overall level determined things like ability to cast spells, ability to hit things, hp, sp, etc. I still have my original Crossfire character (Lars the Northman) who would date from around '95. Lars passed beyond the world of mortals long ago. Today he lives on as a pure DM character who only appears when the DM is needed. When I brought Lars back after years archived I think the game gave him a few base skills automatically. Lars was probably archived for 10 years. I'm impressed that I was able to load such an old character and have the game cope. I can certainly make any of the versions available if desired. Yes please. Like others I'd like to keep ancient versions archived and for review. Cheers, Rob -- Email: rob...@timetraveller.org Linux counter ID #16440 IRC: Solver (OFTC, Freenode and Snoonet) Web: http://www.pracops.com I tried to change the world but they had a no-return policy ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire
Re: [crossfire] building very old versions
> Use polymorph spell on the summoned pet until they morphed in to the Hyperkobold. It took enough tries to get a hyperkobold that it usually helped to first summon an entire "cloud" of pets, on the order of 15 or 20, so you could polymorph half a dozen with one bolt. Also, me and my brother (who also toyed with Linux in the day) could never get much past level 20 or 30, since we weren't particularly smart players. This may have been on a later version, but I also recall petering out around 10 or 15 before we realized how to use the old restoration potions (I think?) to counteract stat depletion. ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire
Re: [crossfire] building very old versions
On 6/27/16 4:06 PM, Matthew Giassa wrote: > How did that hyperkobold 'sploit work? The method I am aware of was - summon one of the many pet monsters. Use polymorph spell on the summoned pet until they morphed in to the Hyperkobold. Sit back and camp in a map while the Hyperkobold racks up big exp or use it to kill extremely high level monsters or clear out maps and collect the loot after that. ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire
Re: [crossfire] building very old versions
How did that hyperkobold 'sploit work? I recall the transmuting one with alchemy where you could make essentially damage-immune armor or crazy powerful weapons (ie: Rugilli's Whisker without the item power constraint). Matthew Giassa, MASc, BASc, EIT Security and Embedded Systems Specialist linkedin: https://ca.linkedin.com/in/giassa e-mail: matt...@giassa.net website: www.giassa.net > Original Message > Subject: Re: [crossfire] building very old versions > From: DraugTheWhopper > Date: Mon, June 27, 2016 2:01 pm > To: Crossfire Discussion Mailing List > > > > A question would be what exactly are you looking for in those old > versions? The retro graphics, old maps, old gameplay, etc? > > Like many things Linux, I cut my teeth on whatever was included with SuSE > 7.2 Pro. I think it was something in the .90 era, probably color. Some > highlights: > > The layout of cfclient remains my favorite to this day. About the best > improvement since then was splitting the message window into high/low > priority. Sorry to whoever heads it up, I still can't bring myself to > stomach the JXclient. > > The tileset was much more cohesive (than it is now), including the > environment, monsters, and items. The art style was simple, and the > isometric look was implemented well. > > The gameplay was much different, even "twitchy". I'm sure this stems from > various reasons, including the metalforge-style melee balance, the lack of > latency when running the server on my own machine (no internet access back > in the day), and other quirks like spellcasting taking little or no time. > Regardless, I'd love to see a more responsive gameplay experience, although > I understand that there are such things as technical constraints and design > decisions. > > Polymorph. Just polymorph. Although there were some interesting exploits, > like polymorphing your pets until you got a hyper kobold. > > --DTW/Draug___ > crossfire mailing list > crossfire@metalforge.org > http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire
Re: [crossfire] building very old versions
> A question would be what exactly are you looking for in those old versions? The retro graphics, old maps, old gameplay, etc? Like many things Linux, I cut my teeth on whatever was included with SuSE 7.2 Pro. I think it was something in the .90 era, probably color. Some highlights: The layout of cfclient remains my favorite to this day. About the best improvement since then was splitting the message window into high/low priority. Sorry to whoever heads it up, I still can't bring myself to stomach the JXclient. The tileset was much more cohesive (than it is now), including the environment, monsters, and items. The art style was simple, and the isometric look was implemented well. The gameplay was much different, even "twitchy". I'm sure this stems from various reasons, including the metalforge-style melee balance, the lack of latency when running the server on my own machine (no internet access back in the day), and other quirks like spellcasting taking little or no time. Regardless, I'd love to see a more responsive gameplay experience, although I understand that there are such things as technical constraints and design decisions. Polymorph. Just polymorph. Although there were some interesting exploits, like polymorphing your pets until you got a hyper kobold. --DTW/Draug ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire
Re: [crossfire] building very old versions
On 5/17/16 1:07 AM, Mark Wedel wrote: > > I can certainly make any of the versions available if desired. I am very interested in obtaining any and all versions that you have available for a historical and archive standpoint. ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire
Re: [crossfire] building very old versions
Finally back from vacation, so can look at what I have stored away. It isn't clear what version you ended up compiling. Looks like I have everything back to 0.91.7 (1995) It looks like the bigworld maps were first added in 1.5.0 as an option, with them becoming the default version in 1.8.0 (though I'm not sure at which point they would stop working with later versions, if ever) It also looks (via a quick grep of 'skill *.README') that the skill code first appeared in 0.92.1. Before that time, each character just had a single experience total and level, and that overall level determined things like ability to cast spells, ability to hit things, hp, sp, etc. So depending on exactly what you are looking for, that might help determine ideal version to use. The old style X11 client (pulled into the client area, but looking the same) existed in the client code until 2010. I can certainly make any of the versions available if desired. ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire
Re: [crossfire] building very old versions
> Here's it running (the window is X-forwarded from my Linux box): > http://i.imgur.com/n9PNRgG.png Nicely done! Oh the memories! > Are there any copyright/licensing issues with me just bundling up > these slightly modified versions and sticking them up to download > somewhere? As far as I know, no issues with copyright or licensing for you to do that. You may be asked for a diff of the changes you made though. ;-) ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire
Re: [crossfire] building very old versions
Wow, that brings me back. Matthew Giassa, MASc, BASc, EIT Security and Embedded Systems Specialist linkedin: https://ca.linkedin.com/in/giassa e-mail: matt...@giassa.net website: www.giassa.net On 04/30/16 09:59, John Floren wrote: I got the client and server building from these with very little hacking. I had to prevent it from building crossedit, which was having some issues with includes. Here's it running (the window is X-forwarded from my Linux box): http://i.imgur.com/n9PNRgG.png Are there any copyright/licensing issues with me just bundling up these slightly modified versions and sticking them up to download somewhere? john On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Neil Muller wrote: On 29 April 2016 at 21:15, Rick Tanner wrote: Sounds like you are looking for source code that was in place before Crossfire started to use revision control (originally cvs from 1999 to 2006, now svn.) So, it is not possible to cvs/svn revert back to the XPM days. Looking back at my collected archive or releases, I don't have anything before 0.97.0 -- it was before I became involved with the project. http://crossfire.real-time.com/download/archive/ You can dig up crossfire 0.95 out of the debian archive - http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-2.1/main/source/games/ - which is a bit before the start of the sourceforge CVS history. I'm under the impression that crossfire made it into the FreeBSD releases before it got picked up by most of the Linux distributions, so it may be possible to pull older versions out of those archives if one is so inclined. -- Neil Muller drnlmul...@gmail.com I've got a gmail account. Why haven't I become cool? ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire
Re: [crossfire] building very old versions
I got the client and server building from these with very little hacking. I had to prevent it from building crossedit, which was having some issues with includes. Here's it running (the window is X-forwarded from my Linux box): http://i.imgur.com/n9PNRgG.png Are there any copyright/licensing issues with me just bundling up these slightly modified versions and sticking them up to download somewhere? john On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Neil Muller wrote: > > > On 29 April 2016 at 21:15, Rick Tanner wrote: >> >> Sounds like you are looking for source code that was in place before >> Crossfire started to use revision control (originally cvs from 1999 to >> 2006, now svn.) So, it is not possible to cvs/svn revert back to the XPM >> days. >> >> Looking back at my collected archive or releases, I don't have anything >> before 0.97.0 -- it was before I became involved with the project. >> >> http://crossfire.real-time.com/download/archive/ >> > > You can dig up crossfire 0.95 out of the debian archive - > http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-2.1/main/source/games/ - which > is a bit before the start of the sourceforge CVS history. > > I'm under the impression that crossfire made it into the FreeBSD releases > before it got picked up by most of the Linux distributions, so it may be > possible to pull older versions out of those archives if one is so inclined. > > -- > Neil Muller > drnlmul...@gmail.com > > I've got a gmail account. Why haven't I become cool? > > ___ > crossfire mailing list > crossfire@metalforge.org > http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire > ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire
Re: [crossfire] building very old versions
When you end up pulling up the old archives, could I please be CC'ed on it as well? I recall playing CF on my old Slackware3 box years back, and while it was color, it was very different. Thanks! Matthew Giassa, MASc, BASc, EIT Security and Embedded Systems Specialist linkedin: https://ca.linkedin.com/in/giassa e-mail: matt...@giassa.net website: www.giassa.net On 04/29/16 13:54, John Floren wrote: Yes, I do remember that I only ran one command to start the game... As for what I'm looking for, I liked the old maps (when I tried playing later, found the new maps kinda sprawling), the old graphics, and the old gameplay... It's all probably nostalgia but I liked it better when there were fewer classes and just generally fewer options :) On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 2:47 PM, mwedel wrote: I have all the versions (well, at least going back to the 0.89s I think) on my computer and can dig them up at some point. Note that even XPM mode were color, though for quite a while that existed side by side with the XBM mode which were two color. A question would be what exactly are you looking for in those old versions? The retro graphics, old maps, old gameplay, etc? The old versions did not have a separate client, though I would expect that the old server should compile without much difficulty. I can't recall anything too platform specific. The biggest problem might be deprecated function calls in the various libraries. Original message From: Neil Muller Date: 4/29/2016 22:29 (GMT+01:00) To: Crossfire Discussion Mailing List Subject: Re: [crossfire] building very old versions On 29 April 2016 at 21:15, Rick Tanner wrote: Sounds like you are looking for source code that was in place before Crossfire started to use revision control (originally cvs from 1999 to 2006, now svn.) So, it is not possible to cvs/svn revert back to the XPM days. Looking back at my collected archive or releases, I don't have anything before 0.97.0 -- it was before I became involved with the project. http://crossfire.real-time.com/download/archive/ You can dig up crossfire 0.95 out of the debian archive - http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-2.1/main/source/games/ - which is a bit before the start of the sourceforge CVS history. I'm under the impression that crossfire made it into the FreeBSD releases before it got picked up by most of the Linux distributions, so it may be possible to pull older versions out of those archives if one is so inclined. -- Neil Muller drnlmul...@gmail.com I've got a gmail account. Why haven't I become cool? ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire
Re: [crossfire] building very old versions
Yes, I do remember that I only ran one command to start the game... As for what I'm looking for, I liked the old maps (when I tried playing later, found the new maps kinda sprawling), the old graphics, and the old gameplay... It's all probably nostalgia but I liked it better when there were fewer classes and just generally fewer options :) On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 2:47 PM, mwedel wrote: > I have all the versions (well, at least going back to the 0.89s I think) on > my computer and can dig them up at some point. > > Note that even XPM mode were color, though for quite a while that existed > side by side with the XBM mode which were two color. > > A question would be what exactly are you looking for in those old versions? > The retro graphics, old maps, old gameplay, etc? > > The old versions did not have a separate client, though I would expect that > the old server should compile without much difficulty. I can't recall > anything too platform specific. The biggest problem might be deprecated > function calls in the various libraries. > > > Original message > From: Neil Muller > Date: 4/29/2016 22:29 (GMT+01:00) > To: Crossfire Discussion Mailing List > Subject: Re: [crossfire] building very old versions > > > > On 29 April 2016 at 21:15, Rick Tanner wrote: >> >> Sounds like you are looking for source code that was in place before >> Crossfire started to use revision control (originally cvs from 1999 to >> 2006, now svn.) So, it is not possible to cvs/svn revert back to the XPM >> days. >> >> Looking back at my collected archive or releases, I don't have anything >> before 0.97.0 -- it was before I became involved with the project. >> >> http://crossfire.real-time.com/download/archive/ >> > > You can dig up crossfire 0.95 out of the debian archive - > http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-2.1/main/source/games/ - which > is a bit before the start of the sourceforge CVS history. > > I'm under the impression that crossfire made it into the FreeBSD releases > before it got picked up by most of the Linux distributions, so it may be > possible to pull older versions out of those archives if one is so inclined. > > -- > Neil Muller > drnlmul...@gmail.com > > I've got a gmail account. Why haven't I become cool? > > ___ > crossfire mailing list > crossfire@metalforge.org > http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire > ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire
Re: [crossfire] building very old versions
I have all the versions (well, at least going back to the 0.89s I think) on my computer and can dig them up at some point. Note that even XPM mode were color, though for quite a while that existed side by side with the XBM mode which were two color. A question would be what exactly are you looking for in those old versions? The retro graphics, old maps, old gameplay, etc? The old versions did not have a separate client, though I would expect that the old server should compile without much difficulty. I can't recall anything too platform specific. The biggest problem might be deprecated function calls in the various libraries. Original message From: Neil Muller Date: 4/29/2016 22:29 (GMT+01:00) To: Crossfire Discussion Mailing List Subject: Re: [crossfire] building very old versions On 29 April 2016 at 21:15, Rick Tanner wrote: > > Sounds like you are looking for source code that was in place before > Crossfire started to use revision control (originally cvs from 1999 to > 2006, now svn.) So, it is not possible to cvs/svn revert back to the XPM > days. > > Looking back at my collected archive or releases, I don't have anything > before 0.97.0 -- it was before I became involved with the project. > > http://crossfire.real-time.com/download/archive/ > You can dig up crossfire 0.95 out of the debian archive - http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-2.1/main/source/games/ - which is a bit before the start of the sourceforge CVS history. I'm under the impression that crossfire made it into the FreeBSD releases before it got picked up by most of the Linux distributions, so it may be possible to pull older versions out of those archives if one is so inclined. -- Neil Muller drnlmul...@gmail.com I've got a gmail account. Why haven't I become cool? ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire
Re: [crossfire] building very old versions
On 29 April 2016 at 21:15, Rick Tanner wrote: > > Sounds like you are looking for source code that was in place before > Crossfire started to use revision control (originally cvs from 1999 to > 2006, now svn.) So, it is not possible to cvs/svn revert back to the XPM > days. > > Looking back at my collected archive or releases, I don't have anything > before 0.97.0 -- it was before I became involved with the project. > > http://crossfire.real-time.com/download/archive/ > You can dig up crossfire 0.95 out of the debian archive - http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-2.1/main/source/games/ - which is a bit before the start of the sourceforge CVS history. I'm under the impression that crossfire made it into the FreeBSD releases before it got picked up by most of the Linux distributions, so it may be possible to pull older versions out of those archives if one is so inclined. -- Neil Muller drnlmul...@gmail.com I've got a gmail account. Why haven't I become cool? ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire
Re: [crossfire] building very old versions
Near as I can guess, Redhat 6.2 (released April 2000) would be just about situated to have shipped the CVS code from 1999... "svn log" shows me checkins going back that far. Maybe the best thing to do is install 6.2 in a VM and just grab the packages... or maybe install a similarly-aged Debian / Slackware, to reduce my RPM frustrations :) I might try that tonight, will report back if successful john On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Rick Tanner wrote: > > Sounds like you are looking for source code that was in place before > Crossfire started to use revision control (originally cvs from 1999 to > 2006, now svn.) So, it is not possible to cvs/svn revert back to the XPM > days. > > Looking back at my collected archive or releases, I don't have anything > before 0.97.0 -- it was before I became involved with the project. > > http://crossfire.real-time.com/download/archive/ > > The origins of Crossfire source code may be lost? > > > > > > > ___ > crossfire mailing list > crossfire@metalforge.org > http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire > ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire
Re: [crossfire] building very old versions
Sounds like you are looking for source code that was in place before Crossfire started to use revision control (originally cvs from 1999 to 2006, now svn.) So, it is not possible to cvs/svn revert back to the XPM days. Looking back at my collected archive or releases, I don't have anything before 0.97.0 -- it was before I became involved with the project. http://crossfire.real-time.com/download/archive/ The origins of Crossfire source code may be lost? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire
[crossfire] building very old versions
Hi! I have some very fond memories of installing Crossfire from a Redhat 6.2 disk way back in the day; I seem to remember the game being monochrome, with much simpler maps, but still very fun. I was hoping someone might have some tips on what revisions I should check out in the svn repo (I'm not very familiar with svn, I'm more of a git person) and how exactly one would build the older versions. Thanks! John ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://mailman.metalforge.org/mailman/listinfo/crossfire
