Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

2017-06-14 Thread Saint K.
I've been running gaming communities since 1999.  That money grabbing attitude is something from the last 5-10 years.  Donations never have been an issue for any of the communities I've dealt with. A simple reserved-slot reward is what users receive on donating. It's simple economics -

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

2017-06-14 Thread Kristaps Kusiņš
I am pretty sure he just manually changed the code so it's not 0 On Jun 14, 2017 6:25 PM, "Andrew Jackson" wrote: > Saint K is so adorable. Very strong, hard coded opinions about how > community servers should be run based on his 18 years of real life > community

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

2017-06-14 Thread Kristaps Kusiņš
The problem is that they don't realize we have to pay server bills too... On Jun 14, 2017 2:22 PM, "Andre Müller" wrote: > This concept of monetization kills the community. You can observe day for > day the dwindling gameserver community. > > Good bye srcds. > > Kristaps

Re: [Csgo_servers] Csgo_servers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 10

2017-06-14 Thread ProJaCore
I got also Token banned even if i dont run any not allowed software on my Server. The clue is its just a ban from creating tokens. My already existing tokens are working. I already contacted Steam but they replied: Were sorry we cant undo GSLT bans you have to create a new account with a new

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

2017-06-14 Thread Andrew Jackson
Saint K is so adorable. Very strong, hard coded opinions about how community servers should be run based on his 18 years of real life community operating experience. If communities aren't run how he thinks they should, they should die a painful death, their owners probably should too huh? Let's

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

2017-06-14 Thread ics
No need to be a dick against anyone. We're all here just because we have one thing in common, running servers. If you aren't for that here or have nothing contributing to say, you should not post at all. Let me tell you how i've done since 2004, - ive paid the bills myself from my own pocket

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

2017-06-14 Thread Absurd Minds
Location is a huge factor. I can tell by your website you're based in Europe (but I couldn't find your csgo servers?), which has a much different cago community than America. There's a much greater emphasis on competitive play in Europe and vanilla servers are more accepted, whereas in America

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

2017-06-14 Thread Saint K.
Once upon a time we also had US based servers. Same deal. Hosting servers as a clan or community never has been about raising or earning money. These are hobby projects and you should treat them as such. Besides having paid for the game, VALVe owes you nothing in terms of server software and

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

2017-06-14 Thread Saint K.
That's where the communities went wrong. You don't host servers to earn money with. You put down a proper concept and people will donate out of free will. That's how you pay for your servers. If your concept fails, no donations, you have no reason to exist. Money grabbing idiots like you

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

2017-06-14 Thread Absurd Minds
It's true. For a game literally built from the ground up on community effort, the community in this game has been severely crippled. On Jun 14, 2017 8:22 AM, "Andre Müller" wrote: > This concept of monetization kills the community. You can observe day for > day the

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

2017-06-14 Thread Absurd Minds
The concepts were fine before valve put all these restriction on servers. People enjoy playing in servers with absurd skins. Just go into any 1.6 or source server and you'll see. The problem is valve made those "illegal" in csgo, so now you have to monetize because you have to keep buying tokens.

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

2017-06-14 Thread Andre Müller
This concept of monetization kills the community. You can observe day for day the dwindling gameserver community. Good bye srcds. Kristaps Kusiņš schrieb am Mi., 14. Juni 2017 um 11:43 Uhr: > Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like > making a

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

2017-06-14 Thread Saint K.
I don’t feel I was attacking that much, perhaps a bit sharply worded. My point, which doesn’t seem to have come across entirely, from my first post on was; The battle is pointless. The concerns people raise here with banning the servers, them reappearing, apparent money loss – We’ve fought

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

2017-06-14 Thread Erik-jan Riemers
I do have to concur with Saint K. we moved to discord and pretty much all income is gone. Always did pay for the servers, even with income. During that time i had to pay 'less' but i don't mind because it is for the community. Items that where broken took sometimes years, if fixed at all. The

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

2017-06-14 Thread Asher Baker
The same has happened on the modding / server plugin front - people used to share information pretty much freely and help each out (and server admins willing to try their hand at coding), now it's all private in the name of exclusivity, $$$, and laziness. This has had a double effect of pushing

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

2017-06-14 Thread Saint K.
You’re looking at outdated data. As communities as a whole moved into an entirely different direction, community websites don’t really matter anymore. Most communications go through alternative platforms nowadays – such as discord. If you looked a bit further you also see that registration

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

2017-06-14 Thread Absurd Minds
Once upon a time is dead and gone. I also had incredibly popular servers once upon a time, with enough donations to pay for the server *and* buy things for the community (eg games for giveaways). It's not like that anymore around here. I still run servers, and I pay for them with my own money,

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

2017-06-14 Thread Andrew Jackson
I don't like to stoop to the low that I just did. I do believe that you have been around and have a lot of experience to offer, but did you really need to come in with the insults and belittling of others because you have a different opinion? You just made an honest, humble post, one that can be

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

2017-06-14 Thread Kristaps Kusiņš
You are a moron if you think that people want to pay for something that they can get for free, I could apply the same logic to valves decision, if people want to buy skins they will buy them why block the plugins? And those servers who continue running these plugins are UNIQUE and they exist

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

2017-06-14 Thread Kristaps Kusiņš
Why the heck there is such a thing as forbidden plugins, that is like making a mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban players for using it. This is just plain stupid. On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas" wrote: > What is your point? They already get banned every 2

[Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

2017-06-14 Thread Nguyễn Bảo Danh
Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website. We don’t need to join their server to report in game. As we can Find they listing here: http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws plugins. Thanks and best regards!

Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to report cheating servers, on website

2017-06-14 Thread Rolf Maas
What is your point? They already get banned every 2 days…. Yes, they get new tokens every banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since they’ll just earn more $$$ when they ban the servers. Since Valve doesn’t care about the community at all, people will always use forbidden plugins. Maybe you

Re: [Csgo_servers] Csgo_servers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 10

2017-06-14 Thread Nguyễn Bảo Danh
Yea :)) token ban, they get new token. Nothing happen. What is the use to ban token then ? I don't get it. On Jun 14, 2017 16:43, wrote: > Send Csgo_servers mailing list submissions to > csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com > > To subscribe or

Re: [Csgo_servers] Csgo_servers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 10

2017-06-14 Thread Kristaps Kusiņš
It is all about money, that is why the plugins are illegal and that is why they ban tokens both bring money, banned tokens mean new csgo purchases, banned plugins mean more skin purchases On Jun 14, 2017 12:12 PM, "Nguyễn Bảo Danh" wrote: > Yea :)) token ban, they get new

Re: [Csgo_servers] Csgo_servers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 10

2017-06-14 Thread Saint K.
The times of VALVe caring and working with the gaming communities have long gone. It's something from their early years, when they still required us for their company growth.  Steam is massive now. We're no longer of interest. You better just accept it and move on. Saint K. From: