how css works and how browsers implement it has a
definite learning curve. If it would help, I could code up a sample
of your page.
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though...
The three columns in #main are all floated and so taken out of the
normal document 'flow'. IE is displaying a convenient bug here. You
can either float #main also, add a clearer inside #main at the
bottom, or use the 'clearfix' method from p.i.e.
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edges, so you will want padding-
left to be = text-indent.
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and that browser is
fading into the mists of time, so maybe you don't need to care.
Also, you might want to specify a background-color on your body
element. Not everyone has white set as their default.
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of the web, we pull our hair out, and our
users go away unhappy.
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accomplishes. Her current code hides the
sub-menus off-left rather than using visibility: hidden. Why is it
better to hide them 'in place'?
It seems like there is more to undo on hover with this method. What
am I missing?
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to me,
and communicates better to users without css than a series of anchors
that happen to be next to each other in the source.
Give yourself a pat on the back. You've made a lot of progress.
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This is assuming all your elements are images. Putting text into
this kind of a grid layout is an invitation to insanity.
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. Just leave the
unused space empty (or have some kind of background image for the
whole grid that shows through the empty spaces). It does mean that
you have to manually figure out where an empty space is and edit the
css when you add a new image, but I think that's unavoidable.
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of the
navigation list.
Unless the client demands it, I'd get rid of the flash object and the
scrolling window title. All that movement makes it hard to actually
read the page.
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be a lot more
straight forward if you didn't have to work around ie6's
shortcomings :-(.
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the cursor: pointer; css
property, but that will confuse your users to no end.
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the floats. I tried both float: left; and
overflow: hidden; and they both looked fine to me. You will have to
asses how this affects other pages on the site.
This was tested in current versions of firefox, opera and safari.
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in the header, and a bright green on
the page.
Do you have the google toolbar installed in ie? It marks fields with
colors to indicate which ones can be auto-filled.
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of a div with position: fixed.
That sure looks like a browser bug. I filed a bug for this https://
bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363692. Unfortunately, I
haven't been able to come up with a workaround.
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for the body element. That means the browser default/user
choice appears all around the edges of your layout. In my case it is
kind of a blue-green color. I'm betting you were envisioning white :-)
All in all, a nice looking page.
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the first few letters of the item you want.
IE win will let you tab into select elements by default. Once
activated, you can type the first letter of the item you want and
down arrow if there are multiple items with the same first letter.
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this. If you tried to put a
style element anywhere but the head element, browsers (except ie)
will ignore it because it is not valid to put style or link
anywhere but in the head. If I missed the point of the question, put
up a test page and point us to it.
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background-image: url(/images/arrowLn.gif);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
background-position: center left;
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they adapt well to changes
in text and window size from one browser to another. Unfortunately
you have to add ie/win specific instructions to get around its flawed
float rendering.
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: #FBFBF1;
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I don't think there is a robust way to do it without floating.
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font-size: .8em;
}
#hotBoxContainer div.body {
float: none;
width: auto;
margin: 0 5px;
padding-top: 10px;
background-color: white;
border: 1px solid black;
border-top: none;
height: 150px;
}
#hotBoxContainer a img { border: 0 none;}
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border to move to
after the text, you will have to attach it a different way.
If I guessed wrong, try again.
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In short, if you fix the html and the doctype, styling will be more
consistent. Also, you could achieve this layout with _many_ fewer
tables. In fact, this page doesn't need any.
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%; margin-left: -30%; }
Made it work down below 600px width, and much less 'twitchy'. This
didn't seem to bother ff2, but I didn't do any other browser checks :-).
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be fine. Safari is more likely than other browsers to
drop a bad css file than try to work around it (which I prefer). It
would be nice if Safari made debugging easier tho...
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as appropriate. The browser
should not shift following content due to the offset unless clearing
floats would dictate otherwise.
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without
css will see it as a part of the link text, all run together.
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On Apr 5, 2007, at 5:33 PM, Johnny G's wrote:
Is there a way to have no scrollbar when not needed yet the layout
not be
adjusted when Firefox adds one?
Only if you are willing to use a layout that is left aligned.
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can help debug?
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{ /* all spans inside #test ul: reset the default */
display: inline;
}
Since the second rule has a higher specificity, it will override the
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the
margins from 'touching', the h1 and p margins become the margins for
the div. You can stop this effect by adding 1px padding or border to
the div.
#content {
padding: 1px 10px;
}
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mangled source but still remove the
spaces by writing it something like this
ul id=navlist
li class=firsta href=/?nextPage=clients id=c1Clients/
a/li
li class=firsta href=/?nextPage=contractors
id=c2Contractors/a/li
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to
alter code I wrote a year or two ago and have spent more time
figuring out what the original code was doing than actually enhancing
the page.
Yes, I confess to being a clean html freak.
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you want, but there
aren't other pseudo-elements for the other lines.
The only solution I've come up with is an ugly javascript hack to
wrap each line in a span, but my code is only a proof of concept.
Getting it to play nice with window and font resizing would be a
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inaccessible. It the page has to be in quirks
mode, or you need to support ie5/win, you can get the same result with
body { text-align: center; }
#pageWrapper {
width: 760px;
margin: 0 auto;
text-align: left;
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can use padding on inline elements to get the spacing you need.
Something like
.affils li { padding-top: 35px }
firebug ( for firefox as you would guess ) is great for seeing where
rules override one another.
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sorry for being incomplete. You will also have to use the
background-position rule to put the image where you want it.
Is there any way to see this page, or a mockup? I have a feeling
something else is going on, but I'm not sure what it might be.
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width: 22%;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
padding-left: 18px;
float: left;
clear: left;
font-size:12px;
background: url(../images/small-blue-arrow.gif) no-repeat;
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div. To do that you must prevent them from 'touching' the div
margins. Interposing a tiny bit of padding (or border) can do that.
#content { padding-top: 1px; padding-bottom: 1px; }
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size to see what I mean). It may look like
clearing, but it isn't.
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snipped a bit
This design assumes users will browse at full screen and have large
monitors
layout somehow, or is it just sub-optimal?
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, floats without a width expand
to 100% of the parent container, just like other block level elements.
This does not affect windows versions of ie.
I'm not sure which is the best filter to target ie/mac, but something
like this should work.
* html #navul li { width: 6em; }
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... or units like 0 9px or 2em 5em or
percents 10% 40%.
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a simple 'min-width: 760px;' on the body
rule should fix you right up. I usually end up wrapping an extra html
element around the side nav and content so I can shim it open for ie.
Hopefully another list member has a better ie solution.
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there are
ways to work around this, such as Opera's zoom feature, but, why
should I bother? The information is almost always available elsewhere
in a more accessible format.
The web is a fluid place where the user is in control. Learn to be
flexible.
Roger,
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places)
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Did you fix it already? It looks the same in ff1.5rc3 and Safari 1.31
I'm sending you a screen shot of both off-list.
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that :-)
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more assistance, let me know and I'll put something together tonight.
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navigation. In ie, only on the About Monroelab page,
that stripe is too far right and the nav is below the content on the
left. My only other complaint is that the sub-menu items disappear
after i click on them. If a page is part of a subsection, then the
menu should stay open.
hth
Roger,
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%, or 12px and I usually have to resize
text to make it readable. Being able to change text size via the
keyboard has been a huge productivity enhancement for me.
Nothing authoritative, just my own usage patterns as data points...
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in ems or % so it is more
flexible when the font-size changes.
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'touching' so they stop
collapsing.
The Spec http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/box.html
http://www.complexspiral.com/publications/uncollapsing-margins/
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CollapsingMargin
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where I went wrong and I'll try
again.
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with 20px
padding on it. It looks like the browser is doing what you asked.
Every browser has default margin and padding on ul and li elements.
When working with lists I always set both margin and padding to remove
the variation caused by these differing defaults.
hth
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of font issues. if the design is very 'tight' this is more
likely to happen. What happens to the layout when you change your text
size in ff/win?
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to create a test case that demonstrates
the problem so I can construct a reasonable bugzilla entry.
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. It is an area where we have to be prepared to be
flexible.
Sorry I don't have better news...
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, pick the markup elements
based on what they mean without worrying about how you want them to
look. After you have clean markup, and the html validates, the css
will make tons more sense.
hth
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and the list archives
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=SearchCssDiscussList first.
Some of the other list members thrive on qwkward questions!
Have a great day!
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on a
specific problem?
This is the perfect place. In fact, we tend to shy away from the
theoretical ones. Mark up a page and post the url along with your
questions and we'll do our best to give you a good answer!
Have a great week!
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: 2px 20px; color: white; text-decoration:
underline; }
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news: The text is too small for me to read,
and if I zoom the text to a larger size the site becomes unreadable
because of overlapping text.
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the
flicker.
To quote Zoe from a few weeks ago
If you want the flicker to vanish even with this setting on, you can
modify your site's htaccess file to kill the flicker:
http://www.jcornelius.com/articles/solving-ie-image-flicker/
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of col1, or it could be
something in the content above cols 2 and 3 whose margin is touching.
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of the browsers mentioned and
make the window narrower than 770px. It is a standard 'float drop' and
can be fixed for good browsers by adding 'min-width: 770px;' to the
body selector. If you don't need a fluid layout you can change that to
'width: 770px;' instead.
hth
Roger,
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Will there be any problems in the long run, if I redefine the display
type
of H2, as the element will be used a lot?
None that I can think of off-hand, but I know so little about the
context that I hate to predict.
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.
The reason it doesn't work in ie/win is that that browsers will only
honor hovers applied to 'a' tags. Thats why people have tried
javascript assisted solutions like 'Son of Suckerfish'
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. If you absolutely
position a elements on an image (each a element will be
rectangular) then just add the 'title' attribute to the a element to
get the tooltip.
hth
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free to ignore me.
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I'm not seeing this problem in MacOSX. Does it happen just during
print-preview, or when actually printing also?
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an idea. when working with
lists, the first thing I do is set margin and padding to 0 on both the
ul and li. Different browsers have different defaults. In your case,
setting padding: 0; on the ul might be all you need.
Roger,
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of the blogger framework. If it is the blogger framework, and if
there's no way to write the markup without it, I'd consider putting my
blog elsewhere. Styling this markup is going to drive you crazy.
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you change its color? In general you
can float either right or left depending on how you want the display to
look. If you float two things left and there's enough width for both
to fit, the will sit side by side as far left as possible.
hth
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.
Both #right and #left are floated, leaving no static content in #area,
so no height. either float #area or add a clearing element (or use the
clearfix method if you want to avoid extra markup)
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my mac browsers.
Your body element needs a background color defined.
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be if the contents are
too wide to fit, but it's not just ie. For other browsers you will
want to set a min-width on the body. If I make my window narrow, the
content area jumps under the left nav.
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with which Opera users upgrade, I'm betting this problem will
go away if you ignore it for a while :-)
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are also putting ie/win into 'quirks' mode with the comment above
the doctype. If this isn't 'on purpose' you might want to remove it.
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browser?
It looks very similar in Opera 9pre, ff1.5 and safari on my mac.
ie/mac needs a little tweaking, but that's not unusual. Can you
explain in more detail what is wrong?
Roger,
Roger Roelofs
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color which causes you to need extra containers.
hth
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Sent: den 6 januari 2006 03:08
To: 'CSS list'
Cc: Daniel Liljeberg
Subject: Re: [css-d] Boxproblem
Daniel,
On Jan 5, 2006, at 9:03 AM, Daniel Liljeberg wrote:
I have a box with rounded corners created with divs and background
graphics
, I'm in Michigan too!)
Roger,
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