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-Caveat Lector- Okay Nuerve and E Mael..that's good boys. Now Moo Moo is going to take nap (but I am a light sleeper, remember that). Moo Moo DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Subs

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-Caveat Lector- Colleen Jones wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > Neurv and E Mael: > > I thought I told you two kids to knock it off...its Mother's Day > > Moo Moo Sorry Maw, But HESTARTED IT! J2 DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Prose

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Howard R. Davis III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > nurev wrote: > > "Howard R. Davis III" wrote: > > > Ric Carter wrote: > > > > > > > Does the concept of the primacy of "individual rights" preclude > > > > any individuals from joining in free associatio

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > "Howard R. Davis III" wrote: > > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > Ric Carter wrote: > > > > > > > > Does the concept of the primacy of "individual rights" preclude any > > > individuals from joining in free association, incorporating as groups >

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > "Howard R. Davis III" wrote: > > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > nurev wrote: > > > > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > > > Ah, here is the crux of the problem. This person, and > > > and capitalists in general would like everyone to take on > > > th

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

-Caveat Lector- E Mael wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: > >I answered you off list. Why did you go back on list smilin' tweezer > >boy? > > > -> > >J2 > <- > > just one of many dirty tricks you will learn when you play with me, monkey > boy. > >hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

-Caveat Lector- Neurv and E Mael: I thought I told you two kids to knock it off...its Mother's Day Moo Moo DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing! These are sordi

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-Caveat Lector- E Mael wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: > >MONKEY BOY!!! NAVEL LINT!!! Listen here you wayward wad of whapit. The > >best > > >part of you streamed down the pigs thigh. It contained the chromosomes > >with > > >the instructions to develop a brain

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

-Caveat Lector- Okay you guys.this is Mother Jones talkingknock it off. Moo Moo Never thought I would raise such children. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxi

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-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: >MONKEY BOY!!! NAVEL LINT!!! Listen here you wayward wad of whapit. The >best >part of you streamed down the pigs thigh. It contained the chromosomes >with >the instructions to develop a brain. > >How do you write this shit anyway? Who can sta

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

-Caveat Lector- Jim Norman wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > "M.A. Johnson" wrote: > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > nurev wrote: > > Ah, here is the crux of the problem. This person, and > > and capitalists in general would like everyone to take on > > their belief system. > > And like..

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

-Caveat Lector- E Mael wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: > >No no. They are the creation of Capitalists with the license from > >government. > >Jeez guys, can't you get over this government as bogeyman shit? It > >positively > >ruins your thinking abilities. > >

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-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: >No no. They are the creation of Capitalists with the license from >government. >Jeez guys, can't you get over this government as bogeyman shit? It >positively >ruins your thinking abilities. > >Joshua2 pretty kewl huh josh; when someone actua

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

-Caveat Lector- "Howard R. Davis III" wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > Ric Carter wrote: > > > > > Does the concept of the primacy of "individual rights" preclude any > > individuals from joining in free association, incorporating as groups > > to engage in commercial, charitable, governmental or

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

-Caveat Lector- "Howard R. Davis III" wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > nurev wrote: > > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > Ah, here is the crux of the problem. This person, and > > and capitalists in general would like everyone to take on > > their belief system. Individualism, individual rights, and >

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

-Caveat Lector- "M.A. Johnson" wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > Ric Carter wrote: > T'ain't so. Capitalism is about acquiring and manipulating > CAPITAL, about owning and controlling the means of production > of material goods. Capitalism is thus about POWER. In > any non-t

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-Caveat Lector- MJ: Every man has a property in his own person. This nobody has any right to but himself. The labor of his body and the work of his hands are properly his. -- John Locke, 1690 Das GOAT wrote: I'm waiting for someone to claim that the "property" owned by Capitali

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

-Caveat Lector- "M.A. Johnson" wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > nurev wrote: > Ah, here is the crux of the problem. This person, and > and capitalists in general would like everyone to take on > their belief system. And likeYou don't? Why are you trying to make everybody think as

Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-05-05 07:51:51 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >We shall soon see who among us is masturbating. It won't be a pleasant >sight. I have heard rumors that Ayn Rand is the most popular centerfold >among degenerate capitalists. Fully clothed. I just don't get it

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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-05-05 07:41:57 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Every man has a property in his own person. This nobody has >any right to but himself. The labor of his body and the work >of his hands are properly his. -- John Locke, 1690 I'm waiting for someone to claim th

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-Caveat Lector- Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The rights, privileges, and obligations of any corporation or individual > are determined by the society in which they reside, and may be codified > as laws, or exist more informally as mores, customs, morals, etc. Most > societies establ

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-Caveat Lector- Scott Brown wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > nurev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > "M.A. Johnson" wrote: > > > > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > > > MJ: > > >I contract with you ... I pay you $20, you paint my front porch. > > >THIS is capitalism. > >

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-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: Ah, here is the crux of the problem. This person, and and capitalists in general would like everyone to take on their belief system. Individualism, individual rights, and the ever so lovely PROPERTY IS PRIOR TO LAW. These twisted apostles of greed

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

-Caveat Lector- Ric Carter wrote: T'ain't so. Capitalism is about acquiring and manipulating CAPITAL, about owning and controlling the means of production of material goods. Capitalism is thus about POWER. In any non-trivial society, many conflicting interests will co

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Howard R. Davis III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Ric Carter wrote: > > Does the concept of the primacy of "individual rights" preclude any > > individuals from joining in free association, incorporating as groups > > to engage in commercial, charitabl

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

-Caveat Lector- Ric Carter wrote: > > Does the concept of the primacy of "individual rights" preclude any > individuals from joining in free association, incorporating as groups > to engage in commercial, charitable, governmental or other activities? > Do corporations [public or private] have

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > Ah, here is the crux of the problem. This person, and > and capitalists in general would like everyone to take on > their belief system. Individualism, individual rights, and > the ever so lovely PROPERTY IS PRIOR TO LAW. These twisted > apos

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: M.A. Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Ric Carter wrote: > Meanwhile, all the previous writers in this thread seem to > assume Capitalism is about fee-for-service, then argue whether > a State has a role in resolving disputes between co

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-Caveat Lector- nurev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > "M.A. Johnson" wrote: > > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > MJ: > >I contract with you ... I pay you $20, you paint my front porch. > >THIS is capitalism. > > > >Where is the state you were requiring? > > > > Das GOAT

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-Caveat Lector- "M.A. Johnson" wrote: Capitalism is the only politico-economic > system based on the doctrine of individual rights. This means > that capitalism recognizes that each and every person is the > owner of his own life, and has the right to live his life in > any manner he chooses as

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-Caveat Lector- "M.A. Johnson" wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > MJ: >I contract with you ... I pay you $20, you paint my front porch. >THIS is capitalism. > >Where is the state you were requiring? > > Das GOAT wrote: >First off, it's NOT capitalism. It's simply an economic >e

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system

-Caveat Lector- "The idea of 'free contract' between the potentate and his starving subject is a sick joke..." Interview: "Noam Chomsky on Anarchism" by Tom Lane, December 23, 1996 5. Many "anarcho-capitalists" cla

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

-Caveat Lector- This Ben Ladin or whatever his name is; he is a capitalist.his father was a contractor.and this is allegedly where he got his millions of dollars. Now again, who is kidding who.what ever happened to him; he is still on this list (just kidding). Colleen Tlhe po

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-Caveat Lector- Ric Carter wrote: Meanwhile, all the previous writers in this thread seem to assume Capitalism is about fee-for-service, then argue whether a State has a role in resolving disputes between contractor and contractee. MJ: Non sequitur, strawman ... proving this per

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-Caveat Lector- MJ: I contract with you ... I pay you $20, you paint my front porch. THIS is capitalism. Where is the state you were requiring? Das GOAT wrote: First off, it's NOT capitalism. It's simply an economic exchange -- "barter," mediated by money, i.e., a transferable

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system]

-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Scott Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hey, you guys are gonna have to clean all that stuff up you know. Hey, it's easy. Meanwhile, all the previous writers in this thread seem to assume Capitalism is about fee-for-service, then argue whether a S

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-Caveat Lector- "Howard R. Davis III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > Jeff Russo wrote: > > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > --- "M.A. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > > > nurev wrote: > > > You guys are hilarious. Capitalism can not exist with

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-Caveat Lector- Jeff Russo wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > --- "M.A. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > nurev wrote: > > You guys are hilarious. Capitalism can not exist without > > the State. > > > > MJ: > > I contract with you ... I pay you $20, you paint

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system

-Caveat Lector- And this gentlemen, is why you never steal anything small.. Be like the big guysThink Big.. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing! These a

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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-05-01 13:03:50 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >MJ: >I contract with you ... I pay you $20, you paint my front porch. >THIS is capitalism. > >Where is the state you were requiring? First off, it's NOT capitalism. It's simply an economic exchange -- "barter

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system

-Caveat Lector- > Jeff Russo wrote: > I contract with you... I pay you $20. You do NOT paint my > porch. I now have two options: > 1) hunt you down and get my money back or kill you. > 2) Use some sort of legal recourse, provided by the > state, to solve this dispute

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-Caveat Lector- My goodness.pay the $20.00.. Colleen DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many ha

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-Caveat Lector- Jeff Russo wrote: I contract with you... I pay you $20. You do NOT paint my porch. I now have two options: 1) hunt you down and get my money back or kill you. 2) Use some sort of legal recourse, provided by the state, to solve this dispute. MJ: A. I d

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-Caveat Lector- --- "M.A. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > nurev wrote: > You guys are hilarious. Capitalism can not exist without > the State. > > MJ: > I contract with you ... I pay you $20, you paint my front porch. > THIS is capitalism. > > Where is the stat

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-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: You guys are hilarious. Capitalism can not exist without the State. MJ: I contract with you ... I pay you $20, you paint my front porch. THIS is capitalism. Where is the state you were requiring? Capitalism requires the State to be absent ... once it rears

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-Caveat Lector- "Howard R. Davis III" wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > Lloyd Miller wrote: > > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > Yes, I think that was the point I was making. But, remember > > America was Statist from the Get Go via the Federalists. Esp. > > Alexander Hamilton's advocacy of a Centra

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-Caveat Lector- Yes, I think that was the point I was making. But, remember America was Statist from the Get Go via the Federalists. Esp. Alexander Hamilton's advocacy of a Central Bank...ie, the First Bank of the United States. Laissez-faire is an ideal, not something that has ever been even

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-Caveat Lector- Lloyd Miller wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > Yes, I think that was the point I was making. But, remember > America was Statist from the Get Go via the Federalists. Esp. > Alexander Hamilton's advocacy of a Central Bank...ie, the First > Bank of the United States. Laissez-faire

Re: [CTRL] Flaw in Capitalist system

-Caveat Lector- >MAbUS wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... >The capitalist system has one major flaw. >It is that after it is fully developed and exploited, there must be >destruction because further growth is no longer possible. I am afraid this is an old fallacy with no basis in economics