[CTRL] Wirtshafter on DEA Birdseed Fiasco

1999-10-14 Thread David Crockett Williams

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fwd:  Don Wirtshafter, Ohio Hempery Inc
Wednesday, October 13, 1999 10:33 AM

For those of you who have not yet heard, the hundreds of businesses who
have staked their future on industrial hemp are going through a crisis. The
Drug Enforcement Administration has changed their interpretation of the
Controlled Substances Act to include many hemp products, especially those
made of the nutritious seeds. Kenex, Inc., the most established Canadian
producer had a truck of birdseed seized at the border and has been ordered
to recall 17 loads that were already shipped to the United States.  Many
businesses, including my own, have received a Summons from U.S. Customs
ordering us to disclose all of our imports of hemp.

According to the DEA’s press release of October 6, 1999: "Recently, DEA and
other federal agencies have become aware that sterilized cannabis seed has
been imported into the United States for use in food products for human
consumption.  Furthermore, some of that seed, and products made from the
seed, may be contaminated with THC.  Under federal law, THC is a schedule I
controlled substance.  Therefore, any product containing any amount of THC
can only be imported into the United States by a company that is
appropriately registered with DEA."

Arguments aside that organic THC is not Schedule I or that it takes years
to get a Schedule I license, the blockade at the border threatens
everything the hempsters have been working for, our movement, our industry
and our livelihoods. The following is a letter that I wrote to members of
the Hemp Industries Association.  http://www.thehia.org I thought it
appropriate to post to this list with this introduction. --- I made some
progress in Washington, D.C. the week of October 4-8.  My original purpose
was to attend the CATO Institute’s Beyond the Drug War Seminar with such
notables as free thinking Governor Gary Johnson of New Mexico and the
closed minded prohibitionist Former Attorney General of California, Dan
Lungren.  I also got invited to attend a private dinner with Gov. Johnson
organized by the Association of Drug Reform Organizations.  These events
gave me an opportunity to discuss the present situation in the hemp
industry with the movers and shakers of the drug reform movement.  Lots of
help was promised to us by these leaders. I was also able line up some of
the professional help we need to oppose a report on the "Hazards of THC"
that is scheduled to be issued in draft form by Health Canada any day now.

I used my presence in Washington to try to spark some movement in the
logjam that Kenex and the industry faces.  I spent a morning discussing the
situation with Bruce Schwartz and Jeff Klein, the Washington-based
attorneys for Kenex.  We agreed on most aspects of the case except two.
They insisted that the debate be over birdseed as that was something that a
court could easily understand.  I was much more into defending the foods
aspect of the case and pressed the need for resolve of the issue before the
upcoming Natural Products Expo.  They disagreed with my characterization
that this case was about the DEA protecting the urine testing industry and
its invasion on individual privacy.  The lawyers insisted that the public
debate be restricted to birdseed.  I also met with Ned Daly, Leda Huta and
John Richard of Ralph Nader’s organization to discuss the implications of
the recent actions on our outstanding petition for rescheduling industrial
hemp with the DEA and the Department of Agriculture.

My best approach was through my local congressman, Ted Strickland, a very
competent, caring Democrat.  Ted Strickand, a licensed psychologist, was
extremely busy with the last minute compromises in the health care bill.
He had little time to say anything but "hello" as passed me over to his
Legislative Assistant, Brandy Tomhave.  Brandy, a former public defender
now working full-time on Cong. Strickland’s staff, deserves a letter of
thanks from all hempsters for her timely intervention into our case.

Brandy took the time to listen to the situation and then went to work
calling the congressional liaisons from U.S. Customs and the DEA.
Predictably, the DEA deferred responsibility for the blockade at the
border.  They blamed it on Customs and said there was no change of policy
in the DEA.  Armed with the DEA’s own press release from the previous week
acknowledging a change in interpretation of the Controlled Substances Act
to include legal hemp products, Brandy did not accept that for an answer
and pressed for a real response from the DEA liaison.  Customs was more
cooperative and promised her an answer as quickly as possible.  Brandy then
asked me to stay another day so she could arrange appointments for me with
the responsible agencies.

The next morning, Thursday, October 7th, Brandy again made calls to the
various agencies.  Eventually we got good news from the congressional
liaison at U.S. Customs.  She said the DEA had relented and agreed 

[CTRL] Land of Plenty

1999-10-14 Thread Das GOAT

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10 Percent of U.S. Households Hungry

By PHILIP BRASHER
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - Nearly 10 percent of U.S. households are going hungry or
don't have consistent access to adequate food, the Agriculture Department
said Thursday.

In New Mexico, 15.1 percent of households were either hungry or threatened
with hunger from 1996 to 1998, according to a USDA study.

Mississippi, Texas, Arizona, Louisiana, Arkansas and Oregon had rates of 12.6
percent or higher. Overall, hunger hit at least 10 percent of the households
in 18 states, USDA said.

``During this, the most prosperous economy in decades, it should shock most
Americans to learn that hunger persists and it is in every state,''
Agriculture Secretary Dan Glickman said. ``The problem of hunger amid
America's plenty cannot and will not be ignored.''

North Dakota had by far the smallest share of households that are short of
food at 4.6 percent. Four other states - Massachusetts, South Dakota,
Delaware and Minnesota - had rates below 7 percent.

Nationally, 9.7 percent of households were considered ``food insecure''
during the three-year period, according to USDA, which based its conclusions
on annual household surveys conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau.

The study's results generally tracked poverty rates, but there were a few
states, including Washington, Oregon and New Hampshire, where the incidence
of hunger was higher.

USDA officials said it was possible for a family to be living above the
poverty line and still go through periods during the year when they were
short of food. Local costs of living have an impact on hunger, they said, as
well as family support and the availability of community nutrition programs.

There also were states with high hunger rates where use of food stamps was
relatively low.

Nationwide, participation in food stamp program has fallen by 27 percent
since 1995.

While the drop is due largely to the strong economy and changes in
eligibility requirements, demand has grown for food aid from other programs
and nonprofit organizations.

Glickman was releasing the study Thursday in Chicago at a national conference
of food-assistance groups.

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[CTRL] CIA Given Human Face by Hollywood

1999-10-14 Thread Das GOAT

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 "The CIA agreed to cooperate on the movie ... One of the producers had
been a CIA analyst in the 1970s."


CIA Goes to Hollywood

By ROBERT BURNS
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - If you think about it, the CIA and Hollywood have a few
things in common. Agents are actors. Spies follow scripts at times. Fiction
is sometimes dressed up as fact.

So maybe it should come as no surprise that the usually publicity-shy Central
Intelligence Agency opened its doors to allow Showtime and Paramount Network
Television to film scenes for their new movie, ``In the Company of Spies,''
in the agency's lobby and elsewhere on the closed compound.

The film, scheduled to air on Showtime on Oct. 24, depicts a retired CIA
operative returned to duty to save a captured agency officer held by the
North Koreans.

Sixty off-duty CIA officials participated as extras.

To mark the most extensive CIA cooperation with movie makers ever, the
director of central intelligence, George Tenet, invited the film's stars -
Tom Berenger, Ron Silver, Alice Krige, Clancy Brown and Arye Gross - as well
as director Tim Matheson and Washington political luminaries to a private
screening and reception Wednesday evening at CIA headquarters.

There was nothing cloak-and-dagger about the evening affair. In the fading
light of a warm autumn day, black limousines deposited stars on the steps of
the white headquarters building.

Television camera lights glared and news photographers clicked away as
several cast members stopped to chat with reporters.

Berenger, who plays the lead role, said the CIA deserves more credit than it
is generally given. ``If they do something well and right you never hear
about it,'' he said.

Tenet told reporters he was initially skeptical about working with Hollywood
producers but is glad he did.

``They were great to work with,'' he said. ``They portrayed us in a very good
light.''

Even in an era of more openness by the CIA, the idea of Hollywood stars
descending on the agency's wooded compound along the Potomac River was
remarkable - especially for those who work there.

``It's a change of pace, an enjoyable, fun thing'' for CIA employees who
spend most of their careers behind cloaks of anonymity, said William Harlow,
the agency's chief of public affairs. Only ``overt'' employees like him,
whose names are publicly acknowledged by the agency, will attend, Harlow
added.

The CIA agreed to cooperate on the movie in 1997 after reviewing the script,
Harlow said. It apparently helped that one of the producers, Robert Cort, had
been a CIA analyst in the 1970s. Berenger and other cast members were given a
limited tour of CIA headquarters, including a look at the agency's operations
center and counter-terrorism center, and met with Tenet. Scenes were filmed
at the headquarters in 1998.

The CIA helped by providing advice on details. The result, Harlow said, is a
film that is ``closer to the truth about what we do than most of the things
you see about us in Hollywood.''

``The CIA's objectives were clear,'' said Roger Towne, the screenwriter who
also was the film's executive producer. ``They hoped to see a human face put
on the agency and we had just the story to do it.''

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[CTRL] Mars Orbiter

1999-10-14 Thread earthman

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http://www.enterprisemission.com/mco.htm

On September 23rd, 1999 at 9:06 AM UTC, JPL lost contact with the $125
Million Mars Climate Orbiter (MCO) as it passed behind Mars on it's final
orbit insertion burn. The spacecraft was carrying the Mars Color Imager
(MARCI) camera under the control Michael Malin of Malin Space Science
Systems. JPL scientists were unable to reestablish contact with the
spacecraft when it should have re-emerged from behind the Martian disk and
immediately began a series of emergency measures to communicate with the
spacecraft. As with the previous JPL/MSSS $1 billion mission Mars Observer
in 1993, these efforts went for naught when it was discovered that a
"navigation error" had likely plunged the spacecraft into a terminal crash
dive into the Martian atmosphere.

According to a tersely worded press release, the spacecraft was thrown off
course when one navigational team in Colorado and the other at JPL used two
separate measurement systems (Metric and Imperial) to perform key
navigational calculations. The Lockheed/Martin team transmitted acceleration
data in the English system, and controllers at JPL assumed that it was
Metric. According to press reports, this process had been ongoing since the
launch of the spacecraft in December, 1998.

This highly implausible and bizarre set of circumstances caused some minor
upset on Capitol Hill ("I'm speechless." said one Congressman) but otherwise
created nowhere near the fire storm that surrounded the loss of Mars
Observer. Still, as we will show, this very suspicious and convenient
"error" had all the usual earmarks of another NASA ritual killing.

 To begin with, the notion that this error could have been induced from the
beginning of the mission and gone unnoticed is ridiculous. All
interplanetary spacecraft take an incredible amount of effort to get from
"A" to "B". The considerations of such an undertaking, the relative
positions of the two planets (Mars and Earth) at launch, their relative
speeds as they orbit the sun, their rotational speeds, the gravitational
effects of not only the two major bodies but also of most of the other
objects in the solar system -- all must be accounted for in this elegant
dance called "Celestial Mechanics." While exceedingly complex, these factors
are also exceedingly well defined and predictable.
This is why all missions are set up on the concept of waypoints. As the
spacecraft travels the hundreds of millions of miles from one world to the
next, it passes a series of check points at which its position, speed, and
trajectory are checked against the predictions. Any deviation is immediately
noted  and a course correction burn is initiated as necessary.


And, the farther away and faster it goes, the more pronounced an error would
become. According to AP:

" The bad numbers had been used ever since the spacecraft's launch last
December, but the effect was so small that it went unnoticed. The difference
added up over the months as the spacecraft journeyed toward Mars."

To anyone with the slightest understanding of measurement systems and
orbital mechanics, this statement, apparently sourced from inside NASA, is
ludicrous. The conversion factor from pounds of thrust (Imperial) to
Newton's (Metric) is 4.44 Newton's to the pound. This means that from the
beginning of the mission, the velocity calculations should have been off by
some 75%! And nobody noticed this "minute" error?!

 In fact, by the time of the MOI burn, the spacecraft should not have been
anywhere near Mars! That is why NASA's explanation (excuse) is so
unbelievable. If there were any error introduced and not noticed by the
"honest folks" at JPL, it would almost certainly have had to come at the MOI
burn itself.

Even Dr. Tom Van Flandern, former head of the celestial mechanics (the
science of interplanetary navigation and celestial motions) branch of the
U.S. Naval Observatory, a staunch anti-consipirasist and defender of the
system, has been forced to admit the obvious:

"I wouldn't take the cover story literally -- It's just an excuse the public
might be able to understand and sympathize with, but with little connection
to reality. We'll find out the truth when the outside investigation releases
its report."

This explanation is in fact so bad, so obviously contrived and untenable, so
in violation of the first rule of academia -- "Thou shalt not look foolish
to ones peers" -- that it begs the question of whether some inside NASA/JPL
actually want to get caught! Are the "Roosters" trying to out the "Owls" by
floating an excuse that will actually demand an investigation?


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[CTRL] Catholic Bishop on Muslim Crusades

1999-10-14 Thread Das GOAT

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Bishop: Islam Expanding Conquests

VATICAN CITY (AP) - Islam is driving into predominantly Christian countries
in a new campaign of expansion and conquest, a bishop at a Vatican synod
claimed Wednesday in a warning to his European colleagues.

Giuseppe Germano Bernardini, archbishop of Izmir in Turkey, spoke at a synod
of European bishops on what he said was Islam's growing challenge to
Christianity, even on its home ground.

``The 'domination' has already started with petrodollars, used not to create
jobs in poor countries in North Africa and the Middle East, but to build
mosques and cultural centers in Christian countries ... including Rome,
center of Christianity,'' Bernardini declared.

``Who cannot see in this a clear program of expansion and reconquest?'' he
asked.

The dire tone of his warning contrasted with repeated overtures to the
Islamic world by Pope John Paul II, whose comments on Islam frequently stress
the values it shares with Christianity.

The archbishop was one of several at the synod to express frustration in
dealing with the Islamic world, however. Others in the weeklong session have
spoken of the need for cooperation between Muslims and Christians.

Bernardini suggested the church call a synod specifically on the theme of
Islam in predominantly Christian countries.

As a first, practical step, he said, Catholics must see to it that none of
their churches are ceded to Muslims for practice of their faith.

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[CTRL] How blonde are you ?

1999-10-14 Thread earthman

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I always thought I had missed my vocation.

Peter

This is clever don't cheat.
  I'm a closet blonde
   How blonde are you ?
  
   It is a TEST.  Actually do it for real.  There are 10 questions, so
   you
   should be able to answer them all in 5 minutes.
   DO NOT look at the answers found at the end of this document, that
   would
   be cheating!  Write each of your answers down, it makes a
  difference!
  
  
   1.   Some months have 30 days, some months have 31 days.
 How many months have 28 days?
   2.   If a doctor gives you 3 pills and tells you to take one pill
   every
   half hour, how long would it be before all the pills had been taken?
   3.   I went to bed at eight o'clock in the evening and wound up my
   clock
   and set the alarm to sound at nine o'clock in the morning.
How many hours sleep would I get before being awoken by the
   alarm?
   4.   Divide 30 by half and add ten. What do you get?
   5.   A farmer had 17 sheep. All but 9 died. How many live sheep were
   left?
   6.   If you had only one match and entered a COLD and DARK room,
  where
   there was an oil heater, an oil lamp and a candle, which would you
   light
   first?
   7.   A man builds a house with four sides of rectangular
  construction,
   each side having a southern exposure. A big bear comes along. What
   colour is the bear?
   8.   Take 2 apples from 3 apples. What do you have?
   9.   How many animals of each species did Moses take with him in the
   Ark?
   10.  If you drove a bus with 43 people on board from Chicago and
   stopped
   at Pittsburgh to pick up 7 more people and drop off 5 passengers and
   at
   Cleveland to drop off 8 passengers and pick up 4 more and eventually
   arrive at Philadelphia 20 hours later, what's the name of the
  driver?
  
 Scroll down for answers.
  
  
  
  
  
  
   ANSWERS :
   1)   All of them. Every month has at least 28 days.
   2)   1 hour. If you take a pill at 1 o'clock, then another at 1.30
  and
   the last at 2 o'clock, they will be taken in 1 hour.
   3)   1 hour. It is a wind up alarm clock which cannot discriminate
   between a.m. and p.m.
   4)   70.  Dividing by half is the same as multiplying by 2.
   5)   9 live sheep.
   6)   The match.
   7)   White. If all walls face south, the house must be on the North
   Pole.
   8)   2 apples. I HAVE 3 APPLES, YOU TAKE 2, WHAT DO YOU HAVE?
   9)   None.  It was Noah, not Moses.
   10)  YOU are the driver.
  
   Grading Scale (out of 10)
   10   Genius
   9Mensa Member
   8Engineer
   7Student
   6High school pupil
   5Primary school pupil
   4Teacher
   3College lecturer
   2University lecturer
   1Member of Congress
   0Blonde
  
  


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[CTRL] [prj] HOW TO DEFEAT STATISM

1999-10-14 Thread lloyd

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Subject: [prj] HOW TO DEFEAT STATISM
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 1:57 PM

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HOW TO DEFEAT STATISM



 Even though I have clearly defined statism in Fatal Blindness, I still
 occasionally receive e-mail asking me to define the term "statism." I
also
 receive some mail, not a lot, that maintains that it is hopeless to
attempt
 to defeat statism.

 What is evident is the fact that most do not understand the meaning of
 statism.   Nor do they understand what a pathetically impotent enemy
statism
 is and just how vulnerable it is.  Neither do most understand that the
key
 to defeating statists is really very simple, right in front of
everyone's nose.

 Statism is the doctrine that maintains that your life, money and
property
 are not yours.  It is the idea that you may only take those actions
 permitted by the state, that you may be forced to surrender your money
to
 the state or forbidden to spend it as you please, that you may not use
and
 dispose of your property as you see fit.  In other words, statism
declares
 that you do not have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of
happiness.

 Tellingly, you will never hear statist politicians openly maintain that
you
 do not have the right to your life, money and property—even though this
is,
 in fact, the basic principle underlying all of their claims. Statist
 politicians do not make this explicit and with good reason.  They
advance
 this underlying idea by implication and by subterfuge—and this fact is
the
 key to defeating statism.

 A statist does not openly state that your life, money and property are
not
 yours.   Instead, he claims that there is a "right" to health
care—which
 means: your life is to be forcibly mortgaged to pay for the health care
of
 others; and this means your life and money are not yours.  Statist
 politicians claim there is a "right" to education—which means: you are
going
 to be forced to pay for someone else's education; and this means your
money
 is not yours.  Statist politicians claim "essential public services"
must be
 maintained through property taxes—which means: you must pay an annual
fee to
 retain possession of your property; and this means your "ownership" of
your
 property is conditional, that your property is not yours.

 Statism can be defeated if political debate is reframed, if statists
are
 made to defend the actual meaning of their ideas.  If this ever
happens,
 then statists will lose since they cannot win such a debate, at least
not in
 America—at least not now.

 If you wish to defend your right to your life, your money and property,
you
 must make that the issue.  You must focus on this single issue and hold
 statist politicians' feet to the fire on it.  Don't let them off the
hook on
 this matter, otherwise they will continue to win. You have to make them
 attempt to defend the indefensible.  Once this occurs, statists will be
on
 the defensive, squirming for some way to avoid the question: is your
life,
 money and property yours?

 Let statists attempt to promote the growth of the state and the decline
of
 freedom by declaring that your life is not yours, that you have no
right to
 it, that you do not have the right to live your life according to your
own
 judgment, that you live, not by right, but by permission of the state.
They
 will not be able to win a debate on such terms.   Like vampires,
statists
 cannot survive if their real ideas see daylight.

 Some dispirited souls will undoubtedly say that defeating statism
cannot be
 this simple.  Their reaction will be: if it were that simple then
someone
 else would have thought of it and tried it.  Well, others have thought
of it
 but not in sufficient numbers to yet make much of a difference.

 Defeating statism cannot be accomplished single-handedly.  It must be
done
 in concert with others, lots of others.  Focusing the debate on the
issue of
 your right to your life, money and property will not be accomplished
 overnight.  First, it will begin with a trickle on the Internet, then
 gradually spread to other communication outlets.  But spread it will.
And
 eventually it will burst into public debate during an election
campaign.
 How long will this take?  I do not know, but as increasing numbers
flock to
 the Internet it could happen quickly.  It could even happen in time for
the
 2000 elections.

 Let the new debate begin.

 Fulton Huxtable
 April 19, 1999

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[CTRL] Constitution: Fact or Fiction?

1999-10-14 Thread lloyd

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Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 9:27 PM

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Subject: [CTRL] Constitution: Fact or Fiction


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http://buffalo-creek-press.com/cffrev.htm

Constitution: Fact or Fiction
by Dr. Eugene Schroder with Micki Nellis
The Story of the Nation's Descent from a Constitutional Republic through a
Constitutional Dictatorship to an Unconstitutional Dictatorship

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Explains how the president can send 500,000 troops to fight overseas with or
without the consent of congress, how he can bail out the Mexican economy over
the objections of the American people, and why we have lost our
Constitutionally guaranteed rights. The government's own documents prove the
case.

Constitution: Fact or Fiction

Through the insidious, yet steady encroachment of "emergency powers," the
government has achieved the ability to rule by statute or decree, without the
vote or consent of the ruled.

Senate Report 93549, written in 1973, said "Since March 9, 1933, the United
States has been in a state of declared national emergency."

It goes on to say "A majority of the people of the United States have lived
all their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, freedoms and governmental
procedures guaranteed by the constitution have, in varying degrees, been
abridged by laws brought into force by states of National emergency. In the
United States, actions taken by government in times of great crisis have ...
in important ways shaped the present phenomenon of a permanent state of
National emergency."

And further "These proclamations give force to 470 provisions of Federal law.
These hundreds of statutes delegate to the President extraordinary powers,
ordinarily exercised by Congress, which affect the lives of American citizens
in a host of allencompassing manners. This vast range of powers, taken
together, confer enough authority to rule this country without reference to
normal constitutional process.

"Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize
property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities;
assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all
transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private
enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control
the lives of all American citizens."

The US constitution provided for the president to be granted emergency powers
in times of war or enemy attack. The fatal flaw in the constitution, however,
is that the only provision to end emergency powers is for the president to
declare the emergency ended. Once the president has these powers, he himself
must relinquish them. Eleven presidents, both Democrat and Republican, have
failed to reinstate the constitution and give up these emergency powers.
Today we see the president and entrenched bureaucracy passing rules through
the executive branch's many agencies without challenge from congress or the
judicial system, originally meant to provide checks and balances.

The emergency powers clause was included in the Constitution so that a
president could legally assume all powers in case of rebellion or enemy
invasion if the public safety required it, and was intended to be terminated
immediately at the end of the crisis.

Through a maze of political maneuvers, the emergency powers granted to
President Roosevelt in 1933 have become part of the U.S. Code as permanent
everyday powers. America has continued under the "constitutional
dictatorship" of war and emergency powers to this day, more than 60 years
later.

In reality, under this "constitutional dictatorship," the people have no
rights except those granted by the government. Under our constitutional
government, the people retained all rights except those specifically granted
to the government.

Government has grown so big, so unreachable, that the ordinary citizen has no
chance to influence it. Even those with clout and political savvy, such as
state governors, are stymied.

The US government today, with its inflated bureaucracy, political posturing,
and ineffectual programs, would be a laughingstock if it weren't for the
sinister side arbitrary seizure of property without proven cause by many
government agencies, ruthless invasion of privacy, federally mandated but
unfunded programs that are choking the states' right to rule themselves, an
unsound money system based on debt, and de facto economic depression for the
last 10 years. A growing separation between "haves" and "have nots" makes a
powder keg on a slow fuse.

Today most Americans have not been taught the constitution, have never
enjoyed the constitutional 

[CTRL] Gold Standard to make a comeback eventually and used by US of Europe?

1999-10-14 Thread lloyd

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From: Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject:  Gold Standard to make a comeback eventually and used by US of Europe?
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 10:19 PM

Just as the British Empire was accused of being the product of a conspiracy by all 
sorts, so is the American Empire. Slowly, the
American (read Manasseh's) Empire (sometimes called the NWO by those who do not 
understand that the Old World Order is the system
which the Bible predicts will be our adversary) is unravelling. In this light I 
thought I would post this item which I saw on a
forum for your information.

Those who have read Dr Sutton's books will recall that he warned of an eventual 
falling out between a gold-backed European currency
and the US dollar. In a personal letter to me some years ago he predicted that the USA 
will eventually be isolated on the world
stage.

Craig

Tophat
Historically Gold was seen as the "ultimate currency"
This means that in times past people did not view Gold in US$ terms but more US$ in 
Gold Terms- Just let that sink in for a minute.

Now, ever since Nixon removed the backing of Gold from the US$ there has been a huge 
expansion of US$ money supply(the US$ can now
merely be printed- rather than requiring an increased amount of gold to back the 
currency)This increase in money supply is the
purists definition of Inflation(as opposed to the laymans definition which is rising 
prices)

The reason the POG rises in times of inflation(times of increased numbers of US$ 
floating around the world) is that for each ounce
of gold that exists in the world, there is an expanding amount of US$- the result an 
ounce of Gold is seen to be "worth" more
US$(some would say that a US$ becomes worth less gold)

The Big Debate-
Many say that the relationship between Gold and the US$ no longer exists.They point to 
the huge explosion in the US$ supply and the
declining Gold price.

Others say that the diminished role of Gold as a measure of money is 
temporary(temporary in the sense that the last 20 years is a
small time historically) and will only last for as long as we(the world) have 
confidence in the US$ and are prepared to accept it as
a non depreciating store of wealth(but every time an extra US$ is printed the currency 
IS being depreciated)

So for as long as we all have confidence in the US$, the US$ will remain king and 
Golds role will remain diminished.

Things to consider-
1. Statements by the G7 recently indicate that they are fed up (no pun intended) with 
the irresposible monetary actions of Big Al eg
cutting interest rates to save the world last October when their economy was already 
overheated(The fed were not trying to save the
world they were merely trying to protect US interests-read investments in emerging 
economies)
2. Japanese are fed up (ok pun intended this time) with Big Al too. Even though the 
appreciating YEN is hurting japanese exporters
and threatening their fragile recovery, the Japanese see the problem as a US$ weakness 
and not a YEN strengthening.They point to the
Bubble stock market and the US economy overheating as evidence. (remember the huge 
expansion in US$ has to go somewhere, and it
seems it has gone into the stockmarket and US Bonds- the latter keeps interest rates 
artificially low)

In short the major economies of the world are signalling that they have lost 
confidence in the US to be responsible.They are now
seeing the worlds emerging problems as a US problem and resent the US lecturing to 
them about how they must do this or that so that
the world doesnt go into recession.
I believe that the US has got the message and explains why they are finally prepared 
to "cut gold loose" and also explains why
Greenspan has no choice but to raiseinterst rates soon.

Sorry for the long winded explanation but without the full picture(and there are no 
doubt many gaps) you cnot fully understand the
Gold/inflation relationship.
Hope this helps
Cheers



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[CTRL] J Edgar Hoover Refused to Endorse Orwell Novel!

1999-10-14 Thread lloyd

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Subject: [CTRL] George Orwell to Hoover: Please Endorse My Book


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http://www.apbnews.com/media/gfiles/orwell/index.html

George Orwell to Hoover: Please Endorse My Book
Author's Publicist Sent 1984 to FBI Director
Sept. 20, 1999

By Janon Fisher



AP
George Orwell

NEW YORK (APBnews.com) -- In what could have been the ultimate marketing
coup, the publisher of George Orwell's novel 1984 asked America's incarnation
of Big Brother, FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, to endorse the book.

According to Orwell's FBI file, released under the U.S. Freedom of
Information Act, Hoover declined. Instead, Hoover filed the request in a
dossier he created on Orwell.

FBI files show that in April 1949, Eugene Reynal, vice president of Harcourt,
Brace and Co., wrote Hoover, arguably the incarnation of Orwell's
authoritarian bureaucracy, for his thumbs up on the book.



Related Document:

George Orwell's FBI File



"We hope you might be interested in helping to call this book to the
attention of the American public, and thus perhaps helping to halt
totalitarianism," Reynal wrote.

Did Hoover read the book?

While it isn't clear what Hoover thought of the book, or even if he read
Orwell's fictionalized account of an out-of-control totalitarian government,
the file shows that Hoover's opinion was beside the point.

Endorsements were against bureau policy.

Thus, fans of the English novelist may never know whether Hoover objected to
Orwell's placement of the Thought Police under the jurisdiction of the
Ministry of Love.

But Hoover, in a very un-Orwellian move, said 'No' politely.

"While I am looking forward to reading the book at the earliest opportunity,
you are advised that in accordance with a long-standing policy I have
refrained from lending my endorsement to commercial publications, and I am
sure you will understand my inability to make an exception in this instance,"
Hoover replied.

The copy of the book Reynal sent to Hoover wound up in the FBI library.

Nevertheless, the bureau stayed on top of the situation.

Another internal memo in the file with the subject heading "Smear
Campaign/Committee for a return to the homeland internal security," discussed
an article in a Russian-language newspaper arguing that 1984 was a portrayal
of life in the United States.

"Let us give what is due to the Hoovers," the memo states. "The mechanization
of police surveillance of average Americans has assumed imposing proportions,
especially in the technique of listening in on telephone conversations. This
art has reached fabulous heights in the United States."

The article concludes that "there is one field in the American life that
never yet has suffered a decline, but is flourishing year after year. It is
police surveillance and investigation. Indeed, in this field, America has
surpassed the world and has no equals."

Though the bureau might have looked on the Russian article as part of a smear
campaign -- as its FBI categorization suggests -- there was more than a grain
of truth to its assertions.

According to The FBI Comprehensive Reference Guide, Congress banned
wiretapping in 1934. But President Franklin D. Roosevelt gave a secret
directive that allowed the bureau to tap phone lines with the attorney
general's permission. The "Black Bag Jobs" described in the guide required
FBI operatives to illegally break into residences and offices targeted for
surveillance.

Other Orwellian advancements in government monitoring of citizenry have kept
up with the times.

According to press reports, the National Security Agency operates a global
spy system code-named ECHELON, which coordinates intelligence-gathering by
spy agencies in Canada, New Zealand, Australia and Great Britain.

Under the program, the agencies share intelligence-gathering duties and some
of the intercepted information. In general, each country limits spying on its
own citizens. However, a former Canadian intelligence official has claimed
the British government once got around the rules by using Canada's
Communications Security Establishment to collect intelligence on British
citizens.

Orwell's offspring

If not for the original appearance of Big Brother, Orwell's prophetic book
might now seem cliche. Movies today, such as Enemy of the State or The Truman
Show, continue to delve into the issue of government invasion of privacy.

"Nothing will be your own, private, exclusive, except a few cubic centimeters
inside your cranium," Orwell wrote.

Orwell's earlier novel Animal Farm also caught the FBI director's eye. The
Orwell file includes 

[CTRL] EU Commission Proposes Accelerating Its Expansion Talks With Six Nations

1999-10-14 Thread lloyd

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Subject:  EU Commission Proposes Accelerating Its Expansion Talks With Six Nations
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EU Commission Proposes Accelerating Its Expansion Talks With Six Nations
By James G. Neuger=20

EU Commission Urges Expansion of Enlargement Talks (Update2)
(Adds comments on Czech progress in 13th paragraph.)=20

Brussels, Oct. 13 (Bloomberg) -- Romano Prodi's new European
Commission proposed opening European Union membership talks with
six more mainly Eastern European countries, while ruling out a
quick extension of the bloc's common currency to the other side
of the former Iron Curtain.=20

The commission recommended that the EU upgrade Bulgaria,
Romania, Slovakia, Lithuania, Latvia and Malta to the status of
full applicants. It declared Turkey a ``candidate country''
though put off negotiations until Turkey improves its human
rights record.=20

Prodi's recommendation challenges the EU's 15 governments to
push ahead with the expansion of the bloc, while refusing to set
entry deadlines. It also gives Eastern European governments
political cover to proceed with painful economic reforms such as
cuts in subsidies and the overhaul of the welfare system.
``For the first time since the fall of the Roman Empire, we
have the opportunity to unite Europe,'' said Prodi, a former
Italian prime minister. He called his expansion strategy ``bold
and imaginative while remaining practical and realistic.''=20

Eastern Europe's more advanced economies -- Poland, the
Czech Republic, Hungary, Slovenia, Estonia -- began negotiating
EU membership together with Cyprus last year. Prodi called for
decisions starting in 2002 on the eligible countries, suggesting
the first new members could join as early as 2003 or 2004.=20

The signal to start talks with the remaining six in 2000
would have to come from EU leaders at a summit in Helsinki in
December. The commission called for ``differentiated''
negotiations with each country proceeding at its own pace.=20

Level Playing Field
``It is important that our immediate neighbors have the same
chances as us,'' Estonian Economics Minister Mihkel Paernoja said
in Helsinki today. ``We feel quite uncomfortable that they have
not been included to date.''=20

The recommendations by Prodi's commission, in office for a
month, came with a number of strings attached. The new 11-nation
common currency, the euro, should remain off limits to the
Eastern states until well after they have joined, the commission
said.=20

It could be ``highly damaging'' for countries still shaking
off the legacy of communism to lock their exchange rate forever
to the currency of the West's advanced economies, the commission
said.=20

Poland, the largest of the EU's would-be Eastern members,
was singled out for criticism for its failure to modernize its
steel and farming industries. EU leaders are concerned that
Polish farmers would need extra subsidies, which already eat up
half of the bloc's 90 billion euro ($97 billion) central budget.
``We can say the bottle is half full or half empty,'' said
Andrzej Harasimowicz, information director at the Polish
committee on EU integration in Warsaw.=20

Czech Republic=20

In the Czech Republic, the commission's criticism of the
slow pace of reforms risks adding to the growing political
firestorm that could lead to the collapse of Prime Minister Milos
Zeman's government, analysts said.=20

The commission knocked the Czech government for dragging its
feet on legal changes in areas including health, labor, justice
and the environment. The report came as former Prime Minister
Vaclav Klaus' Civic Democratic Party, the main opposition party,
threatened to end the cooperation that brought a Social
Democratic-led minority government to power last year.=20

In addition, Bulgaria was told that negotiations are
contingent on a decision by the end of the year on ``acceptable''
dates for closing four unsafe nuclear reactors and on more
evidence of economic progress. Romania was ordered to overhaul
and pump more money into its child care institutions, and to take
more steps to stabilize the economy.=20

Collision Course=20

Strategic necessity has collided with economic realities in
the enlargement talks. While quick expansion is a favorite
subject of political speechmaking, shouldering the costs is
another matter.=20

The countries closest to the East -- Germany and Austria --
fear an influx of cheap migrant labor. The EU's poorer states --
Spain, Portugal and Greece -- fear that they will have to compete
with the East's lesser-developed economies for EU subsidies.=20


[CTRL] Are you Ready to Rock n Roll

1999-10-14 Thread earthman

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from that same page of Hoaglands.
Eye wide Open
Peter

http://www.enterprisemission.com/mco.htm

For some time now it has been our quietly held position that NASA's chief
aim was to find a way "off planet" in the event of a cometary impact or even
a "12th planet" pole shifting scenario. We see the possible "precursor
event" (comet or asteroid impact) as the "little problem," and the pole
shift as the "big problem." Our own research into "Hyperdimensional Physics"
has led us to conclude that there is a possibility -- indeed an inherent
probability --  that a pole shift without the benefit of a "12th Planet" is
plausible.

As Hoagland described in "The Lost Tombs Part V" there is disturbing
evidence that the Earth's "precession" --  it's "wobble" on the central axis
of rotation -- is caused not by the gravitational tug of the Moon, but by an
unseen and as yet not understood "internal force." This "higher dimensional
tug" is acting on the planet from within, trying to move it into proper
resonance with the rest of the solar system.
The historical record also implies that this steady "precess" is subject to
sudden and catastrophic (for the planet's inhabitants) shifts, causing the
Earth itself to literally "flip" in an attempt to realign with this unseen
force.



This cyclic upheaval in the planets axial rotation may have been caused by
the destruction of a planet in the "Bode orbit" between Mars and Jupiter.
Since in the Hyperdimensional model the planets are all connected, the
destruction of this planet would have sent the entire solar system into
"dissonance." The periodic pole shifts are an attempt to create a more
resonant alignment with the other bodies in the system.

While this may seem far-fetched, consider the case of our 7th planet,
Uranus. Uranus has been violently pulled off it's more proper "normal"
orientation to the plane of the ecliptic to be almost 90° from the solar
"North."
This bizarre condition has no conventional explanation. Yet does fit quite
well within the Hyperdimensional model.



An artist's concept of the Venturestar entitled "Heading out." Heading out
to where?
 Obviously, the rank and file billions of us could not be saved from the
consequences of such an event. Assuming that NASA was restricted to
currently acknowledged technology (read: not "Hyperships") it would likely
be possible only to save a few hundred, if that, of the "elite." These
individuals would be selected from the crème de la crème of  our society,
the most genetically desirable and materially accomplished of our
civilization. This "escape plan" would probably involve the use of a
clandestinely-produced fleet of  the upcoming Lockheed "Venture Star"
spacecraft [the new single stage-to-orbit space shuttle replacement based on
the nearly ready "X-33" (what else?!) development craft currently being
assembled at the ultra secret Palmdale and "Skunk Works facilities] as a
sort of Noah's Ark for the 20th century and the new IS(I)S station.

It matters not whether we face any real threat. What matters is that
NASA/JPL, managed by the Pentagon and possibly other unseen handlers,
certainly believe it. They have been tasked with finding out if the threat
is real, and if it is, to find a way out. Imagine our surprise when we found
an entry in a popular web site, "Zeta-Talk," which outlined exactly these
same ideas we had been privately contemplating. This site purports to be the
perspective of the "Zeta's," the tiny little big-headed bug-eyed aliens
commonly known as the "Grays." As with all such sites, we take the data
presented there with a grain of salt, assuming it to be "disinformation" --
a few truths intermixed with many lies in order to give credibility to the
lies. The crux of the information deals with a coming "pole-shift" (actually
a crustal shift) caused by the close approach of Zechariah Sitchin's
legendary "12th planet." We do not necessarily reject this perspective out
of hand, but as we stated above, we are not convinced that a massive close
approaching object is a prerequisite to this doomsday


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[CTRL] [Fwd: [MC] Time Antenna = MC Remedy from Torsion finger shock phenomenon extension?]

1999-10-14 Thread Nicola Molloy

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Subject: [MC] Time Antenna = MC Remedy from Torsion "finger shock
phenomenon" extension?
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 02:44:17 -0700
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This below referenced url was posted recently on the serious
http://www.egroups.com/group/antigrav list.  For those who care to
tinker in
these things, an additional experiment might be to replicate the "time
antenna" claimed by Preston Nichols (in his book "The Montauk Project"
about
covert extensions of Philadelphia Experiment physics to time travel,
mind/machine interfaces, direct materialization of physical objects,
etc.)
to have aided suppressed memory recovery by simply holding a related
configuration of wire similar to that described below but with no center
wire, rather a full octahedral array of wire instead of the half
octahedral
pyramid as described below.

This "time antenna", Nichols maintains, helped him by simply holding it
in
his hands to recover his memory lost by covert tech ops while he was
working
in EM induced altered memory state as project engineer at Montauk Point
deep
black ops research on advanced EM technologies.  His claim is that this
array apparently somehow enables a small degree of connection by the
holder
to the "zero time" experience of the sailors/subjects of the
Philadelphia
Experiment where the USS Eldridge purportedly disappeared and reappeared
in
the early 1940's in experiments to try to render the ship invisible to
radar
but the equipment was to powerful and the ship dematerialized and
rematerialized later, killing most of the crew but those who survived
had a
full "zero time" experience which drove all but one or two of them mad
to
suicide etc but the survivor became a complete empath hooked up to
equipment
in the Monatauk Project Experiments which connected directly to his
mental
processes under hypnosis, so the story goes.

There may be nothing to it, but it is a really simple device to make
with
wire and test and in any case this is what came to mind from reading the
below at midnight.   If "mental programming" "mind control" stories are
in
some cases valid, perhaps this "time antenna" octahedral array may be
worth
experimenting with in light of new torsion field theoretical physics
understandings, and biological influences/effects as below described, in
order to recover lost memory or even perhaps to neutralize hypnotic
suggestions.

But if there is anything to this idea, could it help recall suppressed
memories of scary encounters (metallic voices or ufo's?) buried by some
trauma or external mental instruction?  If so, would documentation of
these
kinds of recall enhancement experiences lend any credence or insights to
Nichols' other claims about Montauk technologies?

Among his claims is their creation of a "time tunnel" that transported
equipment and teams to and from selected times and places in the future
and
that the movie/TV-show called "Stargate" is loosely patterned after that
secret experiment and their others covertly funded by US(CIA?)
unaccounted
capture of a huge shipment of Nazi gold bullion after WWII.

Observably, science history quite closely follows behind science
fiction.

To "make it so", do we just add some more science or must we also remove
some of the friction?

BTW for those with deeper understandings of the nature of coincidence,
in
the name of leading 20th century experimental physicist Bruce E. DePalma
http://www.depalma.pair.com the E stands for Eldridge.

(E=mcC?)   "May The Force Be With You":  Oh-Be-One, Can-You-Be?


-begin url referenced above:

http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/tors/pyrademo.txt
[shades of "pyramid power"?]-dcw

TORSION "FINGER SHOCK" PHENOMENON  --  1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The "shape effect"

The "shape effect" produced by torsion fields can be felt by most people
(without any detectors). For instance, try to make (or have somebody
make) a
skeletal wire pyramid having the following proportions. The base of the
pyramid is a square. If the side of this square is equal to 1, then the
height of a pyramid is equal to 0.618. That's the proportions of the
Great
Pyramid, the pyramid of Cheops exactly.) The pyramid may consist of
edges
only, e.g. it can be made of copper wire. The height of the pyramid
(e.g.
the segment of copper wire that connects the top of the pyramid and the
center of its base) should be made also. If the side of the base of the
pyramid has the size 20cm, then the height = 12.36 cm. The central wire
is
attached to the apex, and extends downwards to the center of the base,
and
the lower end of this wire attaches to nothing. OK to use solder to
construct this. To prevent curving of the wires, use thick wires (2mm -
4mm
diameter.)

Hold the pyramid by its 

[CTRL] (Fwd) ZNet Update / Oct. 14 / Sean Gonsalves / A Letter tio Mr

1999-10-14 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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--- Forwarded Message Follows ---
From:   "Michael Albert" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Here is today's ZNet Commentary Delivery from Sean Gonsalves.



A Letter to Mrs. Bush
By Sean Gonsalves

I recently received a copy of a letter that was sent to the former First
Lady, Barbara Bush. The letter was written by six mothers whose children
are in jail because of the "war on drugs" - a "war" avidly supported by
Barbara's son, George W., who is running for President. All six mothers
are members of the Colville, Washington-based November Coalition. What
follows is the full-text of the letter. You may find it as interesting and
moving as I did.

"Dear Mrs. Bush - In recent weeks, your son, Texas Governor George W.
Bush, has faced questions regarding his youthful drug use. Recently, you
responded to the media onslaught regarding the matter, saying that
possible illicit drug use by your son or any other candidate for political
office in their youth is largely 'irrelevant.' You asked the media to stop
'trashing' candidates.

"We are mothers too, and we understand your maternal instinct to defend
your son. We agree that a person should not have their integrity
questioned, nor their future put in jeopardy, simply because of a youthful
indiscretion involving an illicit substance. Young people, we all know,
are prone to disregard risks to their health and safety. This is
especially true when a young person is already abusing a drug like
alcohol, as your son has bravely acknowledged doing in his own youth.

"Despite our sympathy for your position, we respectfully believe that
Governor Bush implied past drug use, and his views about it, are extremely
relevant for evaluating his sense of fairness and justice. This is a
different question from whether his drug use, if any, is by itself a
disqualification from being president. We too do not think it is a
disqualification.

"You see, our boys also committed 'youthful indiscretions.' But in their
cases, the prosecutors and courts called them 'felonies.' They are each
serving sentences of a decade or more (some far more) for their poor
choices. But those bad choices didn't have to ruin their lives, or the
lives of their families. Most young people mature, including those who act
foolishly and self-destructively by using drugs. Most go on to become
productive citizens - just like your son.

"Today, there are nearly 500,000 men and women serving time in America's
prisons and jails for drug law offenses - overwhelmingly low-level,
nonviolent offenses. Incarcerating these men and women costs taxpayers
more than $10 billion annually. Most of these prisoners are poor, and
increasingly non-white. Last year, more than 700,000 Americans were
arrested for marijuana possession alone. These young people cannot apply
for any job without disclosing their own 'youth indiscretions,' because
their indiscretions became criminal records that are permanent. Many can
never vote again, much less dream of running for public office.

"Youthful drug use, an issue that you and your son both claim is
'irrelevant' to the Governor's personal history, has been made permanently
relevant to us by the drug polices of the federal government and the fifty
states, including Texas. Our sons will have no second chances.

"Mrs. Bush, we suggest it is time that you have a mother-to-son talk with
George Jr. Every mother wants her children to succeed and be healthy and
happy. As mothers, we teach out children that equal protection under the
law insures them that they can not be unfairly held back by accidents of
birth, race, disability, class, gender, etc. Equal opportunity applies to
all kids, even those who make youthful mistakes. "Please tell your son
that not every child in America grew up with the many advantages that he
has enjoyed. Share with him the reality that without the advantages of
position and class - access to excellent attorneys, adequate educational
and employment opportunities, etc. - hundreds of thousands of young men
and former young men sit in our nation's prisons; many in Texas, many for
nonviolent crimes. The essence of these crimes is that they were young and
reckless, that they lacked faith in themselves or in their economic
opportunities.

"Please remind him that hundreds of thousands of mothers, wives and
children cry themselves to sleep at night, hoping and praying to live long
enough to see their loved ones free. Please ask you son to promise you
that if he becomes president, he will think long and hard about the
injustices of our nation's longest war - the 'war on drugs.'

"We know in our hearts that you are profoundly proud of your children,
Mrs. Bush. Perhaps you can convince George W. that if he becomes President
he should give loving mothers, just like you, another chance to rekindle
pride and hope in their children.

Sincerely, Mothers of Drug War Prisoners:

Marianne Bassett, Mattapoisett, MA; Susan Bobby, Valparaiso, IN; Diane

[CTRL] A new order: Adam Smith revisited

1999-10-14 Thread Lucio Benedetto

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Cape Cod Times | Sean Gonsalves Column, October 12, 1999A new order: Adam
Smith revisited
October 12, 1999
http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/edits/seang.htm

With an eye on the World Trade Organization summit to be held in Seattle
next month, let's talk about a guy named Adam Smith.

You see, Smith is considered by most economists and egg-heads to be the
"father of modern economics." And given the religious zealotry with which
millions of Americans cling to "free-market" dogma, Smith is clearly one of
the most influential thinkers in modern history. Conservatives consider him
one of their patron saints.

Unfortunately, many on the Left - Robert Heilbroner's scholarship
notwithstanding - overlook the fact that conservatives spend more time
praising Smith than they do actually reading him, which becomes obvious to
any literate person who bothers to trek through Smith's massive tome "The
Wealth of Nations."

Granted, I'm a fanatic but this is interesting stuff. I've discovered that
contemporary conservatives leave out central aspects of Smith's argument for
a genuine free-market in order to justify their fetish with our really
existing "free-market" economy - a welfare state for the rich and "market
discipline" for everyone else.

Our economy is dominated by multi-national corporations, which are
anti-democratic institutions with rigid top-down management, centralized
bureaucratic authority and budgets larger than the GDP of most nations on
the planet - a tyranny Smith would surely compare to the despotism of "Big
Government."

You would think intellectual integrity would be of utmost importance for any
thinker - right-wing or leftist. But evidently, modern conservatives - the
self-proclaimed guardians of American "values" - only care about honesty
when it comes to "grave" matters like the Clinton-Lewinsky affair but could
care less about the whole-truth-and-nothing-but-the-truth when it comes to
trivial things like the foundation upon which our entire economy is built.

These are serious charges. But the sin's of omission committed by the heirs
of Smith's legacy are even more serious. Check out the following offering
from the "liberal" media.

Commenting on the historical origins of "the New World Order," Newsday
columnist James Pinkerton wrote last week: "The first attempt to define a
New Order came in 1776. In that year, Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration
of Independence and Adam Smith wrote 'An Inquiry Into the Nature and Causes
of the Wealth of Nations.' Together, the two works made the case for limited
government and laissez-faire capitalism."

Pinkerton continues: "It was not until the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917 that
Marxism was tried out" - an oversimplification that completely ignores the
ideas of Marx's intellectual rivals (i.e. Bakunin and Kropotkin). "...And so
capitalism triumphed over communism."

Then Pinkerton goes on to argue that "non-market organizations such as the
U.N. flourish because they help preserve stability. And even archcapitalists
saw the utility of planet-spanning entities, such as the International
Monetary Fund and the World Trade Organization.

"Yet economic integration of the planet created more than just a market of 6
billion people; it has also created a new collective consciousness. World
public opinion is at the heart of the emerging New Order." Indeed.

Unfortunately, "world public opinion" is being shaped by a corporate media
that fails to critically examine the operating principles of these
"planet-spanning entities" or the politicians and economists who butcher
Smith's thesis in the name of freedom and democracy.

Everyone who has taken Econ 101 has read Smith's famous passage where he
talks about the beauty of the division of labor in the pin factory. But what
about Smith's observation that "the understandings of the greater part of
men are necessarily formed by their ordinary employments."

Therefore, he wrote, "the man whose life is spent in performing a few simple
operations, of which the effects too are, perhaps, always the same, or very
nearly the same, has no occasion to exert his understanding...and generally
becomes as stupid and ignorant as it is possible for a human creature to
beBut in every improved and civilized society this is the state into
which the labouring poor, that is, the great body of the people, must
necessarily fall, unless government takes pains to prevent it (emphasis
mine)."

And this is why Alexis de Tocqueville, another conservative favorite, asked
rhetorically: What "can be expected of a man who has spent 20 years of his
life making heads for pins?...The art advances, the artisan recedes." And we
haven't even touched on the fact that Smith's argument for "perfect
freedom," he insisted, rests on the establishment of equality of condition!

So it matters little how "rational" the work of F.A. Hayek and other
"free-market" cheerleaders appear. If the foundation is weak, the whole
edifice is shaky. But 

[CTRL] Is This What Really Happened at Waco?

1999-10-14 Thread Gavin Phillips

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[APFN - FROM THE FILES]
 DATED 09/19/93 COPY OF DOCUMENT WITH UNKNOWN SOURCE
 POSTMARKED AUSTIN TEXAS, JULY 9, 1993
 REGION FIVE REPORT. VOL #5 ISUE #5 PAGE 8
 INTEL PAGE ABOUT APRIL 19TH...

 On April 19th, 1993 eighty Branch Davidians lives were systematically
 eliminated to preclude the investigation of mistakes, bumbling, gross
 negligence, stupidity, and the intent of the BATF attack.
 Here is basically how things went down early that morning:

 12 MIDNIGHT) Authorized from Washington to terminate the situation
 received final authorization, Janet Reno approves the action to be
 Taken.

 0330 HOURS) Two HART penetration teams enter the compound main building
 upon determining activity within the site is at a minimum, listening
 Devices planted during previous penetrations provide this data.
 [APFN: LISTENING DEVICES INSIDE MILK CARTONS]

 0400 HOURS) the HART units have located all the occupants and eliminate
 No less than four BD sentries including one in the tower, via silenced
 9mm weapons (9mm 147 grain subsonic bullets were used) all were clean
 Head shots as trained.

 0500 HOURS) Incendiary DEVICES ARE PLANTED IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS,
 ALL TIMED TO IGNITE AT 1150 HOURS.

 0600 to 0630 HOURS) The engineering vehicles start their destruction of
 the compound. The BD's panic their sentries had not alerted them (they
 were dead), upon locating the dead sentries, the five BD's encounter on
 HART unit, a small shoot ensures with two BD's killed. This not being
 planned the HART team withdraws, as the BD's retreat to the center of
 the building. This was originally thought to be BD's firing on the
 engineering vehicles, such was not the case. As David Koresh attempts
 to consolidate and regain control of the situation, the remaining
 HART unit kills him with a clean shot to the forehead... slightly to
 the right of the center line. The BD's are essentially leaderless
 from this point with the few remaining "mighty men" trying to
 coordinate some resistance.

 0700 HOURS) The effects of the gas are taking their toll, messages
 are waved on banners from windows in the tower to re-establish the
 telephone line. Two of those raising that banner are shot, their
 bodies found later around the tower rubble. The BD's unable to
 maintain control the situation withdraw to the center of the building,
 knowing, the doomed they start to pray for guidance,

 0800 HOURS) No results from the CS2 teargas seem to be evident, the
 FBI order the engineering vehicles to flood the compound further and
 with additional force to deeper building penetration. The results
 gain deeper penetration but in doing so they flood the building with
 propellant used to push the CS2 gas. The propellant is propaine,
 realizing this, order are given to remove the ends of the building
 to disperse the propane. The remaining HART penetration has been
 trapped between the BD's and the fallen derbies the might explode
 and surely the HART unit.

 0900-1000 HOURS) The propane has been cleared to some extant,
 additional CS-2 teargas is ordered in. Again being unfamiliar
 with the driver system of the gas, propane is reintroduced for a
 second time. However winds are now up to 25 MPH allowing for it
 to disperse or collect in dead air pockets though out the building.

 1100 HOURS) The BD's are now succumbing to the gas, the children are
 showing signs of distress and being chemically burned.. The Israeli
 gas mask they have are falling, their filters clogged and unable to
 filter additional gas. No one has thought to distribute extra filters.
 They are confused, nauseated, burring from the Teargas, disoriented.
 Still pray for guidance, their leaders are dead.

 1130 HOURS) The FBI realizing their penetration team has run out of
 time, the can not get to the children, the team can't get to the
 incendiary devices to put them off. The FBI orders the engineer
 vehicles to tear a hold in the area of the penetration team the
 response is too late.

 1143-1150 HOURS) As the engineers vehicle attempts to extract the HART
 team, several of the team members attempt to disarm of the closer
 incendiary devices however it goes off prematurely, this is observed
 and reported to an FBI observation teams. The HART team barely manages
 to escape, as the other devices go off.

 1200 HOURS) The fire is well established in several areas, the propane
 propellant accelerates the process, trapping the BD's with rivers of
 flaming propane gas near the communications room as they attempt a
 futile effort to reestablish a phone link. The CS2 gas reaches flash
 point in some areas and spontaneously ignites, this in () chain
 reacts with the Kerosene an Coleman fuel stored throughout the building.

 1230 HOURS) trapped confused as a few members succumb to the smoke, the
 remaining BD's press their weapons to their heads and pull the trigger
 rather that burn to death.

 1300 HOURS) Helicopters are orders to "seed the site," original evidence
 will be 

[CTRL] Jack Thompson-Wake-up Danforth! Remove Reno

1999-10-14 Thread Gavin Phillips

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 John B. Thompson, Attorney
 1172 South Dixie Highway, Suite 111
 Coral Gables, Florida 33146-2750
 Phone:  305-666-4366
 Fax:  305-666-7275
 E-Mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 October 10, 1999

 Senator John C. Danforth
 Office of Special Counsel
 St. Louis, Missouri  VIA FAX to 314-259-2020
 URGENT!

 Re:  Cover-Up by the Justice Department of Waco Assault Planning

 Dear Senator Danforth:

 As Matt Drudge said awhile back on the Fox News Channel:  "Will somebody
 wake up Danforth?"  He said it while I was sitting in the Green Room at Fox
 News in Manhattan.

 Because of the exquisite journalism of the Dallas Morning News's Lee
 Hancock we now know that Web Hubbell appears to have been lying in his
 testimony that the White House did not know about any plans to end the Waco
 siege with an assault on the compound (see Hancock's article today).

 The one person uniquely positioned to have the authority and the power
to
 have discovered Hubbell's lie, as well as what else we know about the
 unraveling cover-up, is the Attorney General of the United States.

 I have previously told you, Senator, that I have corroborated evidence
 that Reno has in the past been blackmailed and that both the FBI and the
 President enjoyed a blackmail position over the Attorney General by virtue
of
 information I and others gave Lanny Davis and the FBI before she was even
 confirmed as A.G.  This extortion option has given Reno a powerful
 disincentive to get to the bottom of what happened at Waco because she has
 known that both the FBI and the President could destroy her if she tried.

 Senator, you have ignored me to date, save the letter I received on
 September 17 from your Chief of Staff Thomas A. Schweich.  Let me make this
 more personal than I have to date:  If harm comes to me because of your
 nonfeasance in this regard-allowing me to hang out here with this crucial
 information--then the resultant harm to my seven-year-old boy is on your
 head.   Subpoena me, Senator.  Wake up.

 Jack Thompson
 E-Mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]


--
--

Don't hold your breath, Mr. Thompson. The principle of moral and legal
compromise (to the point of holding blackmail cards) carries throughout
the political spectrum. Senator Danforth's career is studded with dubious
business dealings. He may be as much under the thumb as our "shaky"
Attorney General.
You've always deserved the audience you've sought. That you didn't
get it, either in the Reno Confirmation Hearings or now, is express betrayal
by GOP membership more than anyone else. What kind of "bargaining chip"
was made out of Reno, and now the "treatment" that will be given by this
investigation, is all the pathetic morally bankrupt political structure will
yield. But you have not gone unheard. And, at least you're not in a lonely
bunker waiting for cosmetic removal from the eyes of a brain filtered
populace.
One thing remaining, and only one: the precious few with enough moral
determination to keep voicing the issue...in the face of being branded both
politically incorrect and unfashionable. Men (and women) such as yourself.
If it is in our collective means to help your present condition, I would hope
we would all gladly and quickly respond. But, I fear, we are not to have
a season of justice soon, but another of discontent. JCH

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from:
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 A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A
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Today's Lesson from Pan


by Knut Hamsun



We got into the boat, she sat beside me on the same thwart and touched me
with her knee. I looked at her, and she looked at me for a moment in return.
I felt better when she touched me with her knee. I began to feel recompensed
for that bitter day and to regain my good spirits, when she suddenly changed
her position, turned her back on me and began talking to the Doctor, who was
sitting at the tiller. For a full quarter of an hour I simply did not exist
for her. Then I did something I regret and have not yet forgotten. Her shoe
slipped off; I seized it and hurled it far out over the water--whether from
joy at her nearness or from some urge to assert myself and remind her of my
existence, I do not know. It all happened so quickly; I did not think, I just
acted on impulse. I was as if paralyzed by what I had done; but what good was
that? It was done.
-
Waco


Davidian Compound Ringed by FBI Cameras


But, oops, we lost all the tape.

The Branch Davidian compound was ringed with FBI closed-circuit cameras and
secret government sensing devices during the entire 1993 standoff, and the
cameras were used throughout April 19, the day federal agents launched a tank
and tear-gas assault, government documents show.
But despite written statements from FBI agents and technicians that
recordings were made, no videotape from the surveillance cameras has ever
been made public by the federal government. Critics of the government's
actions in the standoff say their efforts to obtain such videos have been
blocked for years by the FBI and the Department of Justice.
Congressional investigators who recently began re-examining investigations of
the standoff said Wednesday that they cannot say what Congress has been told
about the use of closed-circuit cameras at the compound because the matter
involves government secrets.
"Until that information is declassified, we cannot discuss it," said Mark
Corallo, spokesman for the House Government Reform Committee.
An FBI spokesman said he would need to look into the matter further before
commenting. A Justice Department spokesman did not return calls Wednesday
night.
Lawyers for surviving sect members who have filed a massive wrongful-death
lawsuit against the federal government say they are outraged because they
have been told repeatedly by government lawyers that the only FBI cameras in
use on April 19 were infrared cameras deployed in airplanes high above the
sect's compound.
"We have asked for every possible form of recording known to man that could
have been utilized at Mount Carmel," said the lead lawyer for the group,
Michael Caddell of Houston. "We have been told that the only thing that
exists are the [infrared] tapes and the surveillance tapes from FBI bugs
inside the compound."
Written statements
But formal written statements, known as FBI 302s, obtained by The Dallas
Morning News show that at least five FBI agents were sent to the compound
near Waco to maintain closed-circuit cameras.
"CCTV [closed-circuit TV] monitoring sites . . . were all around the
compound," one FBI technical expert stated in a June 1993 interview detailed
in a three-page FBI 302. "This enabled observers to see everything that was
going on at the compound without showing themselves."
One agent reported watching from the closed-circuit TV system as FBI tanks
began gassing the compound on April 19, the documents state. A supervisor
from the FBI's Quantico, Va., training academy said that the FBI's cameras
were also running as the compound caught fire with sect leader David Koresh
and more than 80 followers inside, according to a second FBI 302.
The supervisor's June 1993 statement said that recordings were routinely made
from the closed-circuit cameras that ringed the compound to help document FBI
actions during the 51-day standoff.
Mr. Caddell said he believes that FBI officials may have withheld information
about the cameras because of the images that they captured on April 19. He
noted that references to the closed-circuit television cameras were blacked
out on the formal statements or FBI 302s that the Justice Department has so
far disclosed in the civil wrongful-death lawsuit.
Two retired Defense Department experts hired by Mr. Caddell's law firm and a
third expert retained by congressional investigators have said that the FBI's
infrared airborne video cameras recorded thermal flashes from the compound
and from government positions on April 19 that could only have come from
gunfire.
FBI officials have insisted that FBI agents did not fire a single shot that
day or at any other time during the 51-day siege. The compound fire erupted
six hours into the FBI's tank and tear-gas assault, and government
investigators ruled that it was deliberately set by the Branch Davidians.
Act of nature?
Government officials have said the 

[CTRL] OKC One Stop Shop

1999-10-14 Thread Gavin Phillips

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Great overview of the duplicity and cover-up in the OKC bombing incident.
Gavin.


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Re: [CTRL] no idea

1999-10-14 Thread Dave

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Condolences

Unless family requested immediate cremation, I'd say that this is evidence
of cover-up.  Who gave them PERMISSION? "Too much damage to repair" sounds
like pretty much a crock, also. Before surgery, they're SUPPOSED to have
done various tests, and have a pretty good indication of success.
Sounds like your friend traded in a few years (or more) of life in favor of
trusting the medical industry, while they all made bucks off the
insurance...  who'll no doubt be paying the doctor who finally killed her...
ghouls...

A very sorry business


Dave Hartley
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-Original Message-
From: Trudy  Paul Schuett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 3:47 AM
To: NCF list
Subject: no idea


Guess I won't be going to PHX after all...My buddy Doris, who was
scheduled for triple bypass and cartoid artery surgery this AM,croaked
on the table. The word I'm getting from her neighbor and purveyor of all
news from PHX is: 'there was too much damage to repair; she wouldn't
have lived more than six months anyway.'

Her body was cremated within hours of death; I thought this was odd, but
considering the distance from home(150 miles) maybe OK. Our mutual
friend Sandy, the cardiac nurse says this is at the very least pretty
damn screwy.

Doris was fine, if not quite comfortable until her 65th b-day, when she
saw an osteopath who sent her on a merry-go-round of tests. She had a
hip problem; she coudln't walk well or long. In addition to prescribing
arch supports,this guy discovered a blocked cartoid artery, and then it
was on to the myriad of other dudes, each with their own speciality who
discovered yet another thing wrong. (As a retired federal employee 10yrs
ago, she already had good insurance long before Medicare) she had no
apparent symptoms of heart dysfunction.

The really weird thing is that she started out with no faith in
allopathic medicine. She'd become a level 1 Reiki practitioner, and had
actually cured some people. She was much better than I am. IMHO  She was
looking into herbs and other therapies for her own condition, as
diagnosed by the MDs. Sandy had urged her to get other opinons when
surgery started to be discussed. Doris never did it, for reasons we
can't yet determine. The only thing we (Sandy and I) can determine is
maybe MDs are such good salesmen you can't tell them no. We'll probably
never know.

All we know for certain at this moment is that our buddy walked into a
doc's office on 8/15, and now she's dead. There's no way of discovering
the cause.

I started an e-mail to Tangerine on this one--maybe in the morning I'll
finish it.



T

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[CTRL] FW: LFAS feedbacks and more information on the subject - urgent deadline to meet!

1999-10-14 Thread Dave

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Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


-Original Message-
From: jean hudon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 1:14 AM
To: Jean Hudon
Subject: LFAS feedbacks and more information on the subject - urgent
deadline to meet!


Hello again everyone

Here is the LFAS material mentioned in my other email tonight. If you do
not have time right now to delve on this issue, please put this information
aside as you might want to consider what you could be able to do to assist
in preventing the US Navy to go ahead with their dangerous plans.

I received some more comments on this issue following my recent post on it.
You'll find them first. And then you'll find a number of eye-opening and
very informative emails I received from Cheryl A. Magill who is
coordinating efforts right now to secure as large a participation as
possible in the fight to stop the Low Frequencies Sonar tests conducted and
the outright deployment of this dangerous technology.

If enough of us take a stand, perhaps they will listen. The deadline for
comments on the "Draft Overseas Environmental Impact Statement and
Environmental Impact Statement for Surveillance Towed Array Sensor System
Low Frequency Active (SURTASS LFA) SONAR" is October 28, 1999.

So we don't have much time left to act...

Jean Hudon
Earth Rainbow Network Coordinator
http://www.cybernaute.com/earthconcert2000

P.S. See details below as to how you may send your comments...

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999
Subject: Recent Green Files post on LFAS
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Jean (and related cc:'s),

THANK YOU for your recent message about the whole LFAS thing, it was very
powerful and frankly has me more than a little agitated (the facts, not
the message).

I'm particularly concerned that this huge message doesn't contain the
basic information on how to request the EIS itself, comment directly on
it, or get to whatever the Navy has publicly released about all this.
Any clues about how to find that kind of info?  As the EPA found out when
they went into public comment on organic gardening, "we" can raise a
serious ruckus in almost no time flat, and basically grind the
EIS-comment process on things like this to a halt, make them turn around
and pay attention.  Writing our representatives and prez candidates is
not pointless, but I think the best way, if there's time, is to get
involved directly in the EIS process, and this information should be in
this kind of communication OR FOLLOW IT IN A TIMELY MANNER.  My single
most coveted item would be an OFFICIAL NAVY E-ADDRESS where comments can
be sent NOW.  If there is such a thing, I hope we can arrange it so
EVERYBODY who got this message from you and the cc:'s can get it pronto!

I'm going to go looking on the WWW at the locations suggested, after
dark.  Right now I gotta go weed the creeping charlie out of the garlic
patch.

Let's STOP this madness!

love, deep deep love,
Mark

Mark Smith
919 929 1135 h   919 715 7639 w
3108 Five Forks, Chapel Hill, NC  27516

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From: "Lucia Gillot" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: navy sonar
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999

Dear Jean,

Thank you again for all your work. It just brings me to tears at the blind
ignorance of people inhabiting this planet. My emotions seem to be so near
to the surface these days. I feel like I'm vibrating and floating, it's
really weird.

My friend suggested the navy sonar problem to Bill Maher, but apparently
the topics for the show are already chosen weeks ahead; he is however
taking all the details along and is going to see what he can do about
slipping it in. (I totally agree with what you said about the show. It
really saddens me too that when people arise to the grandures of having
their own programmes that they skirt around the edges of safetydom.
Pathetic reallyMaybe we should contact Oprah??!). If Bill can't get
it on tonight's show, he'll try him for another night. Tonight's the night
for me though. The sooner the better. My friend will also write an article
in his high powered men's magazine, but that's not out for another 3 weeks
or a month.

My question is...WHY are the navy doing this???

I'm slammed busy right now, but let me know if there's anything I can do. I
may need you to send me all the information or tell me where to get all
access. I LOVE the idea about deafening the White House! I'll keep you
posted.

Love,
Lucia

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999
From: "Cheryl A. Magill" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Report on Reporters = Thank you for your numerous attempts

Dear Jean and Lucia, and All:

I appreciated Lucia's attempt to gain media involvement on the topic of LFA
Sonar.  The media... the media... the media.  What have they done or failed
to do?  

[CTRL] The philosophy of the lie

1999-10-14 Thread Edward Britton

 -Caveat Lector-

The Philosophy of the Lie
Edward Britton

I am fortunate in that I have more than a healthy suspicion when it comes
to pronouncements of absolute truth. No one on this earth makes me more
nervous than the individual who expects me to blindly accept, as truth, his
or her particular philosophy as the final analysis of and summary statement
on any aspect of existence. I am made even more nervous when such an
individual asks me to accept a philosophy which, to support itself, negates
any one or any part of an aspect of reality which I know to exist.

Even though the focus of my current suspicions rests primarily with the
philosophy of objectivism--the core tenets of which serve as the motivating
and legitimizing agent behind ninety per cent of rightist thought--this
suspicion is by no means limited to objectivism. I would hold as suspect
any philosophy which demanded that I believe in half-truths or downright lies.

Consider the premise upon which all objectivist reasoning is built; that
nothing unreal exists; that A always equals A. Automatically, when one
makes such a statement, one has taken the responsibility upon him or
herself to know what reality is and is not. In the attempt to satisfy that
responsibility, an objectivist will assure you that there is no such thing
as a first cause of creation--in any form, whether initiated by a deity or
evolution--because such a cause cannot be perceived, cannot be observed and
cannot be quantified. Any such phenomenon as creation, therefore, does not
exist or is irrelevant.

Forgetting for the moment why it is necessary for such partisans to
subscribe to this denial, there are more than enough examples to prove the
elemental fallacy of their argument. Electricity, for example, and before
the advent of devices necessary to measure it were available, could not be
perceived, observed or quantified in any form other than lightening or
static discharge. Even this presupposes that humanity somehow "knew" that
lightening or discharge were representations of electricity. Therefore,
according to the objectivist, electricity cannot exist and, hence, belief
in the existence of same would be considered mysticism. The same holds true
for the existence of such phenomena/realities as subatomic matter and
gravitational influences on celestial orbits--not to mention a spherical
earth. Indeed, were the technological development of the human race left in
the capable hands of the objectivist, the sum of our achievement would
still be limited only to what we could have done with our five
senses--which would, by philosophical necessity, have to be blinded by the
negation of any pertinent yet non-observable phenomena.

The modern political equivalent of the objectivist, the conservative, thus
would have us believe in, or have "faith" in, the noblest and consequent
absolutes of individualism and of the fallacy that all that is wrought of
an individual comes from the solitary effort of that individual. The
objectivist touts the "self-made" man or woman as the pinnacle of human
achievement and existence. No wonder he or she has to deny the existence or
reality of a creator other than him or herself. To accept the possibility
of any opposing reality, even if that reality were in the form of natural
evolution, would require the subscriber to such a philosophy to realize
that he or she was DEPENDENT upon the creative potential of a being other
than him/herself. Such believers would discover that they, no matter how
much they believed they had accomplished through their stoic efforts, were
still leeching, nay MOOCHING off of someone or something else's creation.
The objectivist would have to accept the fact that she or he, just like
every other form of life that we are aware of, would be no more than a
"parasitic welfare recipient."

Knowing this in the core of the objectivist consciousness is, I suspect,
why he or she tries so hard to live by the personal, social and political
equivalent of a lie. In the objectivist's denial of a reality s/he
says--but cannot prove--does not exist, he or she begins to fashion a
complex system of deception to, ironically,  guard against facing the very
reality to which he or she so strongly adheres. The objectivist realizes
that his or hers is a system of deception which leads down the same path of
mysticism (*belief* in the existence of any phenomena which cannot be
immediately perceived, observed or quantified) that he or she so vehemently
abhors.

As one may imagine, all manner of philosophical chaos is the result.
Consider the crowning glory of perhaps the most notable objectivist, Ayn
Rand, in her work Atlas Shrugged. In the telling of an otherwise marvelous
story--which has become, more or less, the Bible of conservative
thought--Rand attempts to render credence to her objectivist philosophy by
means of the dishonest and cowardly practice of crippling her opponent's
arguments in anything resembling rational, literary dialogue. Her cause 

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #1

1999-10-14 Thread ric carter

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SkeptiNews 991014a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

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@ See sex sell. Sell, sex, sell! http://rockers.nu/trams/banners/
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Prancing Priest's 'Jesus Twist' Tops Charts. RIO DE JANEIRO (Reuters) - A
  dancing priest's 2nd CD of aerobics music has shot to the top of Brazil's
  pop charts with its hit song "Vira de Jesus" ("Jesus Twist"), his record
  company says. http://news.excite.com/news/r/991012/11/odd-priest

# Singing Priests Draw Thousands To Mass. RIO DE JANEIRO (Reuters) Brazil's
  revitalized Roman Catholic Church attracted more than 100,000 people to a
  splashy service in Maracana soccer stadium where nine rock-star singing
  priests led a raucous homage to the country's patron saint.  Next: anti-
  Satan cha-cha: http://news.excite.com/news/r/991013/11/odd-religion

: Who are your favorite singing/dancing priests/nuns? Are they fast, slow,
indeterminate, au courant, indecipherable, mechanistic, mind-controlling??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# SOUTH CAROLINA TO DECIDE WHETHER TO ALLOW 'HARRY POTTER' BOOKS IN CLASS.
  Some adults here wish Harry Potter would just - poof! - disappear. Parents
  worried about the influence of the wildly popular Harry Potter books by
  J.K.Rowling have persuaded the South Carolina Board of Education to review
  whether the books should be allowed in the classroom. "The books have a
  serious tone of death, hate, lack of respect and sheer evil" - State board
  to review books: http://cnn.com/books/news/9910/13/potter.protest.ap/

: Are childrens' books effective mindcontrol tools? Have you promoted lack
of respect lately? Do Reptoids/Republicans control S.Carolina? Should they?

@ No thinking, no fucking: http://yeshiva-pgh.com/images/logo/main-logo.JPG
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@ The Orhai Method of Total Healing. Light activation points that clear
  cellular structure, Eliminate developmental traumas. Awaken spiritual
  memory. Discover the sound of your soul, its significance and karmic
  implications. http://www.sayahda.com/Orhai.html

: Are you structurally muddy, developmentally traumatized, spiritually for-
getful? Does your soul make grating/grinding/grunting sounds? Are you numb?

@ Alignment Techniques: Spiritual Attunement - Unified Consciousness -
  The Indigo Shield - Healing  Empowerment - Energetic Decoding:
  http://www.sayahda.com/techniques.html

: Have you been aligned/shielded/healed/empowered/decoded lately? Why not?

@ Articles and Channelings: The Multidimensional Self - Trading Places -
  Soul Purpose  CoCreation - Communication with Spirit - Dreams, A Magic
  Mirror: http://www.sayahda.com/Article.html

: Have you channeled or been channeled lately? Anything important said? Wha?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Gas Powered Computers Closer To Reality. LONDON (Reuters) A super-fast,
  minuscule molecular computer driven by gases may be a step closer to
  reality thanks to research by a Berlin-based chemist. Fart in a jar:
  http://news.excite.com/news/r/991013/19/science-science-computers

# Staggering Implications: US Scientists Use Computer To Watch What Cat
  Brain Sees: http://www.sightings.com/ufo5/catbrain.htm
# Looking Through Cats' Eyes - Pictures:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_471000/471786.stm

: Do you use gas-powered computers to look through cats' eyes? Should you?
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# Theologian okays stock deals for Catholics. MILAN (Reuters) Catholics can
  invest in the stock market safe in the knowledge that they are acting in
  the common good so long as their only aim is an "honest profit," Italy's
  main Catholic rag sez. http://news.excite.com/news/r/991013/11/odd-market

# NY's Giant Squid Unveiled But Its Living Peers Stay Hidden. NEW YORK -
  After sitting more than a year in a metal storage tank, a dead, floppy,
  26-foot 250-pound giant squid is finally ready for public eyes at New York
  City's Natural History Museum. http://foxnews.com/scitech/101299/squid.sml

: Have you mentally communicated with any 8-brain-lobed telepathic molluscs
lately? Would you rather be mind-controlled by Catholic investors, CIA/NSA
operatives, telepathic squids, Reptilioid/Republican minions, me? Can giant
squids invest in stock markets for moral purposes? Can Catholics? Can you?

# Chinese Woman Said Beaten To Death In Police Custody For Falun
  Gong Beliefs: http://www.insidechina.com/news.php3?id=99834
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@ RISKS DIGEST: Serious security flaw in MS Java - Latest UK train wreck -
  Glitch switches Nevada 911 calls to San Diego CHP - Supercomputer lost to
  fire, weather predictions reduced - Calif government computers fail, cars
  impounded - Massive fiber cut - Internet Explorer 5.0 flaws - GPS rollover
  *did* 

[CTRL] Fwd: NCPA Policy Digest 10-14-99

1999-10-14 Thread Carl Amedio

In a message dated 10/14/99 10:26:57 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Subj: NCPA Policy Digest 10-14-99
 Date:  10/14/99 10:26:57 AM Central Daylight Time
 From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John C. Goodman)
 Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 National Center For Policy Analysis
 DAILY POLICY DIGEST
 Thursday, October 14, 1999

 PointCast can automatically load NCPA's Policy Digest summaries
 on your desktop for easy reading.  For information go to
 http://www.ncpa.org/pointcast.html

 IN TODAY'S DIGEST

o   A SEVENFOLD INCREASE IN LAND PRICES and an apartment glut
are some of the effects of "Smart Growth" policies in
Portland, OreNCPA

o   CRITICAL INDUSTRIES HAVE NOT CERTIFIED THEIR Y2K
COMPLIANCE, says former Gov. Pete Du
PontNCPA/WASHINGTON TIMES

o   NOBEL ECONOMIST ROBERT A. MUNDELL is a defender of the
gold standard and supply-side tax cuts, say
observersWALL STREET JOURNAL

o   THE LONDON UNDERGROUND MAY BE PRIVATIZED despite the
Paddington station wreck, say observersWALL STREET
JOURNAL

o   THE U.S. SUPREME COURT HAS AN AGE DISCRIMINATION CASE
brought by state employees, which raises issues of
federalismNEW YORK TIMES

o   FASTEST GROWING AREAS AND INDUSTRIES HAVE LOWEST UNION
MEMBERSHIP rate, according to an AFL-CIO studyNEW YORK
TIMES

o   WHITES-ONLY AFFIRMATIVE ACTION CHALLENGED, as black
student claims his 14th Amendment rights are
violatedCHICAGO TRIBUNE

 IN TODAY'S NEWS

 PORTLAND: SMART GROWTH'S BAD EXAMPLE

 Portland, Ore., is pioneering Smart Growth (also known as the New
 Urbanism), the latest fad in urban planning.  Smart Growth
 promises such things as less congestion, more affordable housing
 and cleaner air, says economist Randal O'Toole.  But in Portland,
 Smart Growth policies are delivering rapidly increasing
 congestion, higher housing prices and more pollution.

 Portland's regional government, called Metro, anticipates area
 population will increase 75 percent by 2040.  Yet it plans to
 increase highway capacity no more than 13 percent while it adds
 90 miles of rail transit lines to the 30 miles already built.

o   In 1990, 92 percent of all the trips taken in the Portland
area were by auto, while 3 percent were by transit and the
rest were by walking or bicycling (see figure
http://www.ncpa.org/ba/ba305/ba305fig1.gif ).

o   Metro officials project that even with planned changes, by
2040 Portlanders will still drive for 88 percent of their
trips and use transit for just 6 percent.

o   And the number of miles of congested roads will more than
triple -- partly due to "traffic calming" measures to
discourage driving, such as narrowing and reducing the
number of traffic lanes, including eliminating turn lanes
on major streets.

 Metro plans to increase population density by two-thirds; for
 example, some neighborhoods of single-family homes have been
 rezoned for multi-family housing.  There is now a huge surplus in
 apartment and multi-family housing and a major shortage of
 single-family homes.  Since 1996, Portland has ranked among the
 five least affordable U.S. housing markets and land prices have
 increased sevenfold.

 Metro also admits that its plan will increase smog by 10 percent,
 which is consistent with Environmental Protection Agency data
 showing that the worst air pollution is found in the densest
 cities and urban areas.

 Source: Randal O'Toole, "Portland: Smart Growth's Bad Example,"
 Brief Analysis No. 305, October 14, 1999, National Center for
 Policy Analysis, 12655 N. Central Expy., Suite 720, Dallas, Texas
 75243, (972) 386-6272.

 For text http://www.ncpa.org/ba/ba305/ba305.html

 For more on Land Use Controls
 http://www.ncpa.org/pd/state/state4.html

 BEWARE COMPLACENCY ON Y2K COMPLIANCE

 January 1, 2000, is only two-and-one-half months away and no one
 knows for sure whether their lights will stay on when that date
 rolls around. However, recently there was a long list of electricity
 suppliers who had not yet announced that they are Y2K compliant.

 Moreover, a long list of companies in the chemical industry,
 water suppliers and nuclear power plants that operate on
 computers had yet to affirm that they are 100 percent ready for
 the new millennium, according to Y2K expert Dick Lefkon.

o   The U.S. electric power industry is comprised of
approximately 3,200 different electric utilities and some
big names -- including Baltimore GE, Detroit Edison,
Florida Power, Indianapolis PL, Minnesota Power and
Wisconsin PL -- had yet to claim they are fully ready
for the 21st Century.

o   The chemical industry is composed of approximately 69,000
operations -- but the government has Y2K data on fewer
than 

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Danite Irish]

1999-10-14 Thread Tatman, Robert

 -Caveat Lector-

This was an extremely interesting post that addresses one of the genuine
mysteries of European folklore and place-lore: namely, the wide distribution
of names such as Dan, Don, Danu, Diana, Tana, Danaan, Danaus,
Danuvius/Danube, and the like. Indo-European linguists derive such river
names as "Don" (Ukraine) and "Danube" (Central/Eastern Europe) from a
Pro-Indo-European (PIE) root *dôn, "?flowing water". Clearly, however, the
Don-names were more widely spread than the Indo-European zone, as this post
points out. The parallel occurence of Bel/Baal/Belenos/Belili, etc.,
suggests the existence of a cult of (tentatively) "Tana" and "Bel",
worshipped across a wide geographic range from Mesopotamia to Ireland and
the Baltic coast, probably no later than the sixth or seventh millennium
B.C.E.

Also, in Irish mythology, the "Sons of Mil" or Milesians were supposed to
have come to Eire from Spain; and they had earlier come to Spain from Asia
Minor via North Africa. Some authorities identified them with a party of
Trojans who left Troy at the same time as Aeneas but in a different
direction. This might be considered typical Celtic hyperbole, except for the
speculative connection 'Mil'=Latin 'miles', "soldier"; thus it becomes
possible to suggest that the "Sons of Mil" perhaps included Roman
auxiliaries or treaty troops, originally from Asia Minor (Galatia?). (See
Alwyn and Brinley Rees, *Celtic Heritage*, for informed speculation on this
and related matters.)

One minor point, however: Old Irish 'dun' means "stockaded village" or
"fort", as in Dun Laoghaire, "Dunleary". It *is not* cognate to anything in
Hebrew.

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 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:51:32 +0200
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Re: [CTRL] Catholic Bishop on Muslim Crusades

1999-10-14 Thread Tatman, Robert

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The prohibition in sharia (Islamic law) on usury, i.e. charging interest to
believers, would be a very large draw to disillusioned European (and
American) Christians if it were to be used as a drawing card...

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 Bishop: Islam Expanding Conquests

 VATICAN CITY (AP) - Islam is driving into predominantly Christian
 countries
 in a new campaign of expansion and conquest, a bishop at a Vatican synod
 claimed Wednesday in a warning to his European colleagues.

 Giuseppe Germano Bernardini, archbishop of Izmir in Turkey, spoke at a
 synod
 of European bishops on what he said was Islam's growing challenge to
 Christianity, even on its home ground.

 ``The 'domination' has already started with petrodollars, used not to
 create
 jobs in poor countries in North Africa and the Middle East, but to build
 mosques and cultural centers in Christian countries ... including Rome,
 center of Christianity,'' Bernardini declared.

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #2

1999-10-14 Thread ric carter

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SkeptiNews 991014b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

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@ StickDeath: http://www.stickdeath.com/frameset.htm
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# Teleology, the idea of purpose in nature, has been on the back foot
  since the 17th century. But it's not dead yet, even in physics.
  http://www.linguafranca.com/9910/hypo.html

: Does nature have a purpose? Do you? How many deities shape you and your
nature? Do they have different purposes? Does this explain chaos? How?

# The speed of light may  be variable, rather than constant:
  http://www.newsreality.com/localnews/?id=18
# Questioning current notion of "time" as a framework for the universe:
  http://www.newsreality.com/localnews/?id=28
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# Telecom Future: Flying Wings And Unmanned Planes. EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE,
  Calif. (Reuters) - It creeps across the bright desert sky as quiet as a
  ceiling fan. It carries no fuel, no pilot and is wider than a jumbo jet's
  wingspan. In fact, that's all the Helios is a giant wing. Bzz-bzz-bzz:
  http://news.excite.com/news/r/991013/20/science-science-planes

: How many unmanned craft do you want orbiting overhead, beaming signals at
you? How many are there already? Does your implant receive signals clearly?

# MagLev (magnetic levitation) orbital launch systems are becoming more
  a reality now that NASA has built an experimental launch track:
  http://www.newsreality.com/localnews/?id=23
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Solar Cycle Update. Updated predictions from NASA scientists put the solar
  maximum in mid-2000. As activity on the Sun increases toward this broad
  maximum, we can expect more auroral displays, radio disruptions  power
  fluctuations. http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast14oct99_1.htm

: Have solar flares interrupted your thoughts lately? Have your thoughts had
any effects on solar flares lately? Do flares disrupt your remote-viewing?

# Talk of discovery of a 10th (and perhaps 11th) planet orbiting the sun.
  http://newsreality.com/showbindings/?section=science.astronomyid=4068
  http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19991016/newsstory2.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# A Revolution in Brain Evolution? New research shows that monkeys regener-
  ate and repair brain cells in the cerebral cortex. If humans do too, a
  startling new view of the brain is possible: that our minds are shaped by
  our experience. http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,31889,00.html

: Has your cerebral anatomy undergone radical transformations? Do you try to
reshape your brain? Do you use drugs, knives, films, implants, sex, cigars?

# The inner idiot savant: you too could learn a dozen languages or play
  the complete works of Bach, if only you'd stop trying to be so clever:
  http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19991009/tuneinturn.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Irish Coffees Better Than Drugs For Stroke? HOUSTON (Reuters) A slug of
  alcohol followed by a quick cup of coffee may work just as well to limit
  stroke damage as some of the drugs now available in emergency rooms.
  http://news.excite.com/news/r/991013/16/science-health-stroke

: Is Irish Coffee your preferred medication? Do Mexican Coffees work just as
well? Have you ever fed Irish Coffee to a Reptoid/Republican? Do they gag??

@ See rural UK as a domestic Transylvania, where normality can't survive an
uneasy night or an innocuous dinner party www.lrb.co.uk/v21/n20/wood2120.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Immortality On Ice. NEW YORK - Kennita Watson likes to think about what
  she'll be doing in a few hundred years. "Some things that come to mind are
  traveling to the stars; terraforming an asteroid; learning dozens, then
  hundreds, of languages; understanding general relativity; playing musical
  instruments that haven't been invented yet... I could go on and on."
  Cryonics to the rescue: http://foxnews.com/scitech/100899/cryonics.sml

# Bionic Humans in Slow Motion. Researchers have made headway in tissue
  engineering, but a real-life Jamie Summers is still years away. Surgeons
  convene to discuss growing cells  organs outside of the body. Resistance
  is futile: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,31893,00.html

: What's your favorite tissue work? Would you rather be cryogenically stored
 revived, exobiologically regenerated, saturated in preservatives, deified?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Scientists Say Attack On GM Food Safety Is Flawed. LONDON (Reuters) -
  Scientists reacted angrily to a commentary in a leading science magazine
  slamming the criterion used to assess the safety of genetically modified
  foods. http://news.excite.com/news/r/991013/17/science-science-gm
  Source: http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19991016/newsstory3.html

: Have you modified any genes lately? Are 

[CTRL] Buchanan sets date to leave GOP

1999-10-14 Thread Bard

 -Caveat Lector-

Buchanan sets date to leave GOP

Officials: Formal bid for Reform nomination will come Oct. 25

ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON, Oct. 13 — Republican presidential candidate Pat Buchanan is
preparing to bolt his party and begin a quest for the Reform Party
nomination Oct. 25, officials close to the conservative commentator said
Wednesday.

TWO OFFICIALS, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Buchanan was
planning to announce his departure from the GOP in suburban Washington, New
Hampshire and perhaps other key states.

‘VIRTUALLY CERTAIN’
   The officials cautioned that Buchanan could still reverse course and
stay out of the increasingly fractious third-party bid. But they said he
intends to bolt, and the departure was virtually certain.
   In the clearest signal yet of his intentions, Buchanan’s campaign
mailed hundreds invitations to supporters Tuesday night inviting them to a
“major announcement” Oct. 25 at a Falls Church, Va., hotel, the officials
said. As many as 3,000 invitations also were being sent for a New Hampshire
stop, they said.

“He’s almost too far down the pike to get out now,” said one of the
officials.
   However, spokeswoman Joanne Hansen said no final decision has been
made.
   Lagging in GOP polls, Buchanan says he believes the party’s
nomination battle is rigged in favor of Texas Gov. George W. Bush, who he
says is too moderate.
   The Reform Party nominee would lay claim to almost $13 million in
federal matching money. Party founder Ross Perot earned 19 percent of the
vote in 1992 and 8 percent in 1996.

COULD HELP DEMOCRATS
   Republicans fear that a third-party run by Buchanan would siphon
conservative votes from their nominee. He won the New Hampshire primary in
1996 and put a scare into then-President George Bush in the 1992 primaries.
   Buchanan, however, would not be assured the nomination. A parade of
celebrities and politicians are mentioned as potential candidates, including
New York tycoon Donald Trump. Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura, former
Connecticut Gov. Lowell Weicker, actress Cybill Shepherd, actor Warren
Beatty and Perot himself.

   A new CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll shows limited support for the
third-party alternatives. Buchanan had the backing of 9 percent of those
surveyed in a three-way matchup with Bush and Vice President Al Gore, the
Democratic front-runner. Trump had 10 percent in a similar three-way
matchup.
   The unfavorability ratings of Buchanan, Ventura and Trump have
increased as speculation about their presidential bids drew more media
attention.

TRUMP’S COMMITTEE
   Trump formed an exploratory committee last week, and says he would
spend $30 million if he jumps in the race. Buchanan, who has had trouble
raising money in the GOP race, could not match that total but has more
political experience than Trump. He is said to be worried about Trump’s
financial resources.
   The contest is already heated.

 Trump consultant Roger Stone said Buchanan wants attention, not the
White House. “Pat’s avocation at this point is running for president. It’s
all he does,” Stone said in a telephone interview. “Trump will spend $30
million to get on the ballots in every state. I don’t think Pat can do it.”
   Trump himself has called Buchanan’s views “prehistoric.” Buchanan is
a staunch, anti-abortion conservative who drew criticism for questioning
whether Nazi Germany was a threat to America.

Ventura, the party’s highest ranking elected official, has ruled out a 2000
presidential campaign, though the speculation continues. He is urging Trump
to seek the nomination, saying Buchanan is too conservative on social issues
for the party.
   Buchanan is drawing support from the Perot wing of the party.

CHOATE FOR BUCHANAN
   “I say to Roger Stone, ‘Bring your candidate on.’ It’ll be another
head on the wall,” said Pat Choate, Perot’s 1996 running mate. “I believe
Pat is going to get in the race, win the nomination and, with any luck, the
White House.”

  Perot himself has not taken sides in the nomination fight and has not
ruled out jumping in the fray himself.
   The officials close to Buchanan say his meetings with advisers are
filled with strategic and thematic discussions about the third-party bid.
His sister and top adviser, Bay Buchanan, is exploring party rules and is
already seeking to plant Buchanan backers in state party leadership posts.
Buchanan and his advisers are discussing language Buchanan would use to
explain his departure, though he has not yet formally begun writing the
speech.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/322942.asp#BODY

Bard
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Re: [CTRL] Catholic Bishop on Muslim Crusades

1999-10-14 Thread Franklin Wayne Poley

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Missions Fest in Vancouver is billed as North America's largest missionary
meet. It is controlled by a narrow group of Protestants which even keeps out
other Protestants or quasi-Protestant denominations which it regards as
"cults" such as Christian Scientists, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses. I have
initiated a complaint/law suit against the Mfest Board for religious
discrimination which is explicitly proscribed by the Canadian Charter of
Rights and Freedoms section of the Constitution. If I am successful (as I
expect to be) then Roman Catholics AND Muslims can have exhibit booths at
Mfest 2000 to tell us what a "Godly Nation" is like from their perspectives.
So everyone can go on a crusade into "Deepest, Darkest Vancouver".
FWP.
See http://www.mfest.bc.ca

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Date: Thursday, October 14, 1999 1:19 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Catholic Bishop on Muslim "Crusades"


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Bishop: Islam Expanding Conquests

VATICAN CITY (AP) - Islam is driving into predominantly Christian countries
in a new campaign of expansion and conquest, a bishop at a Vatican synod
claimed Wednesday in a warning to his European colleagues.

Giuseppe Germano Bernardini, archbishop of Izmir in Turkey, spoke at a
synod
of European bishops on what he said was Islam's growing challenge to
Christianity, even on its home ground.

``The 'domination' has already started with petrodollars, used not to
create
jobs in poor countries in North Africa and the Middle East, but to build
mosques and cultural centers in Christian countries ... including Rome,
center of Christianity,'' Bernardini declared.

``Who cannot see in this a clear program of expansion and reconquest?'' he
asked.

The dire tone of his warning contrasted with repeated overtures to the
Islamic world by Pope John Paul II, whose comments on Islam frequently
stress
the values it shares with Christianity.

The archbishop was one of several at the synod to express frustration in
dealing with the Islamic world, however. Others in the weeklong session
have
spoken of the need for cooperation between Muslims and Christians.

Bernardini suggested the church call a synod specifically on the theme of
Islam in predominantly Christian countries.

As a first, practical step, he said, Catholics must see to it that none of
their churches are ceded to Muslims for practice of their faith.

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #3

1999-10-14 Thread ric carter

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SkeptiNews 991014c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No purpose for life was found during production of this bulletin. Bother.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ DUMB LAWS R US: http://www.dumblaws.com
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Think The Internet Stinks? Try This! SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) If you think
  the Internet is in your face already, you haven't smelled anything yet.
  Smell-o-video: http://news.excite.com/news/r/991014/11/odd-internet

# Rudy vs The Elephant Dung: stock characters hurl abuse and feign
  hurt, secretly gleeful at the publicity. A well-staged scandal:
  http://nytimes.com/library/magazine/home/19991010mag-art-politics.html

: Is your nose more offended by the Internet, politics, your cow orkers, me?
Do alien implants cushion you from the worst scents? Do Reptilioids stink??

# COSMIC ANGST. The discovery of more solar systems in the universe just
  increases the likelihood that space is filled with assholes, morons
  and goons: http://www.annoyed.com/daryl-lease/cosmic-angst.htm

: How many jerks can the universe abide? All of'em? Are deities jerks too?
Is jerk-hood a survival characteristic? Did we evolve to be jerks? Why not?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Paul Kurtz has been in foxholes under fire and he's still a happy
  atheist. This apostle of godless morality is now leading a revolution
  on campus: http://www.linguafranca.com/9910/faith.html

# What's striking about today's intellectuals, says Wendy Kaminer, is their
 utter failure to criticize, much less satirize, America's romance with God:
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/277/living/An_avowed_agnostic_divines_the_
perils_of_piety+.shtml

: Are you romantically involved with one or more deities? Do intellectuals
mock you? Dare they? Do you mock them? Are you revolutionary? Are they? How?

# Despite liberal orthodoxy, Harvard still harbors a flinty right wing:
  contentious, mordant, and politically incorrect on a cosmic scale.
  The swine! http://www.harvard-magazine.com/so99/conserv.ssi
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Improving the human race with genetics is a sensitive subject in
  Germany. Just raise the topic and you may hear shouts of "Fascist!"
  http://www.philosophynews.com/news/19991001_habermas_vs_sloterdijk.htm

# Four Sisters Up For Adoption On Internet. LONDON (Reuters) Authorities in
  Britain are using a photograph on the Internet to offer four young sisters
  for adoption in a desperate attempt to bring them together under one roof.
  Bring on the clones: http://news.excite.com/news/r/991014/11/odd-adoption

# If Mozart piped into mother's womb causes baby to kick, what's the kid
  trying to say? Maybe, Turn off that racket! Let's have some quiet here!
  www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/280/metro/Discordant_note_little_heardP.shtml

: Have you improved anyone lately? Did you use genetic modification, social
engineering, personal manipulation, prenatal music, drugs, sex, surgery? Eh?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Brain wave: Suppose all that was thought to happen in your left lobe
  took place in your right instead? Would it make any difference? Would
  anyone notice? How? http://www.lrb.co.uk/v21/n19/fodo2119.htm

# Since the chance of an election being decided by a single vote is almost
  nil, why should any citizen bother to vote? Ask a rational choice theorist
  http://www.thenewrepublic.com/magazines/tnr/current/coverstory102599.html

: Is rationality overrated? Are your lobes scrambled? Do ET implants help?
Do'ya make a difference? Do differences make you? Do you control the future?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Message from a Mouse. The very notion of a gene "for" something as complex
  as "intelligence" lapses into absurdity. A Gene for Intelligence? Pshaw!!
  http://www.pathfinder.com/time/magazine/articles/0,3266,30590,00.html

# RACING TO MAP OUR DNA:
  http://www.pathfinder.com/time/magazine/articles/0,3266,17688,00.html
# WHO OWNS OUR GENES?
  http://www.pathfinder.com/time/magazine/articles/0,3266,17682,00.html

: Are y'r genes smart? Do you own them? Do they own you? Is ownership passe?
Do mice communicate meaningfully with you? Do you talk back? Do they listen?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Faith isn't omnipotent, writes John Horgan, nor is it always benign.
  Religion is a fine therapy, but also foments intolerance. And as for
  science... http://chronicle.com/free/v46/i07/07a07201.htm

# Cobra Kills Top Snake Charmer. BANGKOK (Reuters) Thailand's top snake
  charmer was killed by one of his own cobras which turned on him during
  a show. http://news.excite.com/news/r/991014/11/odd-snake

: Do you have faith? Has faith killed you yet? Have you killed a believer
lately? Did they resent it? Do you? Is faith the best therapy? Are you nutz?

# Rabbis Excommunicate Assassin. JERUSALEM (Reuters) More than 50 Israeli
  rabbis signed a decree excommunicating 

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #2

1999-10-14 Thread Tatman, Robert

 -Caveat Lector-

: Is Irish Coffee your preferred medication? Do Mexican Coffees work just
as
well? Have you ever fed Irish Coffee to a Reptoid/Republican? Do they
gag??

A long, long time ago, I discovered Irish coffee (which is of course an
*American* invention, like the Saint Patrick's Day parade)...and in short
order became an alcoholic. Actually, I think I must've been an alcoholic for
years; I used to go on a bender once a year, then stay dry the rest of the
year. After I found the most glorious taste in all of God's green universe,
the benders got closer and closer together, until one morning I woke up with
absolutely no memory of the last twelve hours and, even worse, no idea where
I had left my glasses... That was fifteen years ago, and I haven't had a
drop since, if you don't count the brandy cherry I ate by accident at an
office party in 1990. Now, at the time I discovered Irish coffee, I was
still, alas, a registered Republican. Shortly thereafter I looked at my
voter registration card, gagged, and promptly re-registered as a Democrat.
After looking at the current crop of candidates from all parties, both major
and minor, I am about to abandon the political spectrum and re-register as a
Non-Euclidean.

As the doctor told me when I asked him if I was crazy, "One of us is, my
boy, one of us is..."

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[CTRL] Indonesian army recruits training in Vermont

1999-10-14 Thread Joe Feck

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From: "John M. Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: BG: Indonesian army recruits training in Vermont

This story ran on page A01 of the Boston Globe on 10/04/99.

Indonesian army recruits training in Vermont

  Students at private military school linked to 'most feared, most abusive'
special force

  By Terry J. Allen, Globe Correspondent, 10/04/99

   NORWICH, Vt. - Quietly tucked away in the hills of Vermont, Norwich
University, the only  private military college in the country, has
continued to educate and train future members of the Indonesian army, even
as President Clinton has effectively frozen all relations with that
country's military in the wake of the violence in East Timor.

  According to Norwich records, 11 of the school's current crop of 13
Indonesian undergraduates list their billing address as the Jakarta
headquarters of Kopassus, the Army's elite special forces.

  ''Kopassus played an especially brutal role in East Timor,'' Sidney Jones
of Human Rights Watch said. ''They were unquestionably the most feared,
most hated, and most abusive of all Indonesian units in East Timor.''

  The US government blocked Indonesians from programs at federally funded
military institutions such as West Point, citing human rights concerns. But
Norwich, a private institution, has continued with its cooperative program,
which brings in about $20,000 annually in tuition and fees for each student.

  According to Norwich spokesman Richard Greene, the Indonesian students in
the two-year-old cooperative program were chosen and paid for by the
Indonesian Embassy in Washington with funds wired ''by order of the
military attache.''

  The undergrads, ostensibly civilians, are obligated to serve 10 years in
the Indonesian army after graduation. Thirteen of them are enrolled in
Norwich's Army ROTC program, where they take the standard course that
includes weapons training, intelligence gathering, field training, and
tactics, as well as military ethics.

  ''The curriculum is dictated from US Army Cadet Command,'' said Captain
Mike Lefebvre, who teaches ROTC at Norwich.

  ROTC instructors are active duty Army officers chosen by the Pentagon.
''The training of these foreign students [at Norwich] came about from an
agreement made between university and the US Army,'' Lefebvre said.

  Ten graduate students, who returned to service in Indonesia in 1999 after
completing master's degrees in military science and diplomacy, have served
as active duty officers.

  The worst violence in East Timor erupted after the island voted for
independence from Indonesia on Aug. 30. Pro-Jakarta militia backed by, and
often part of, the Indonesian army killed hundreds,
  if not thousands, of civilians. Another 300,000 either fled the violence
or were forcibly repopulated to various islands in the Indonesian
archipelago.

  At least four of the Norwich graduate students served in East Timor around
the time of the referendum.

  According to an August report from Norwich President Thomas W. Schneider,
the four were ''in East Timor serving under the United Nations flag.'' The
Indonesians, however, could not have been a part of a UN mission, according
to the United Nations. ''There is no room for confusion,'' said Manuel de
Almeida e Silva, deputy spokesman for secretary-general of the UN.

  Some Norwich faculty oppose the university program, including one member
who quit in protest in late 1997.

  ''When I resigned my teaching position at Norwich, I believed they were
profoundly misguided. I am very sorry my predictions were true,'' said
James Chapados, referring to the service of the four Norwich graduates in
East Timor.

  Schneider said he has no plans to end the program and thinks that it
performs a valuable service. The curriculum, he said, includes a heavy dose
of military ethics.

  ''We are not claiming that [Norwich graduates] will behave humanely when
they go back, but what we do is talk about human rights, civil rights, and
give them a new way of thinking,'' he said. ''We would take Communist
students from Red China. What better way to teach them that their system is
screwed up?''

  The Indonesian students now at Norwich did not want to speak with the
media, according to Greene.

  The Norwich-Indonesia program was set up after a visit to Jakarta by
Norwich officials who met with Major General Zacky Anwar Makarim and
General A.M. Hendropriyono. The generals, who have been implicated in
serious human rights abuses by Human Rights Watch and have been members of
Kopassus, visited the Norwich campus in fall and winter 1997.

  Zacky, as the general is more commonly known, had been head of BIA
Indonesia's national intelligence body until January and spent a large part
of his career in Kopassus, according to Jane's Intelligence Review, a
British military journal. One of the country's most experienced covert
operatives, he is generally believed to have helped set up and 

[CTRL] How COINTELPRO Helped Destroy the Movements of the 1960s

1999-10-14 Thread Joe Feck

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http://mediafilter.org/MFF/USDomCovOps1.html


US Domestic Covert Operations
From the Archive: WAR AT HOME (2/5)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gary Lee)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 14:20:26 GMT
Organization: The Gloons of Tharf
Newsgroups: alt.society.anarchy

Anyone who doubts that the government is capable of using agents provocateurs
to plant phony requests for bomb-making information in this newsgroup as a
pretext for censoring the entire net (or that it is capable of much worse if
that fails) should take a glance at the following articles. These posts also
contain much that should be of interest to anyone thinking about joining or
starting any kind of anarchist direct-action campaign or organization. Gary

/** pn.publiceye: 23.5 **/ ** Written 6:49 pm Jan 24, 1991 by nlgclc in
cdp:pn.publiceye **

How COINTELPRO Helped Destroy
the Movements of the 1960s
Since COINTELPRO was used mainly against the progressive movements of the
1960s, its impact can be grasped only in the context of the momentous social
upheaval which shook the country during those years.
All across the United States, Black communities came alive with renewed
political struggle. Most major cities experienced sustained, disciplined
Black protest and massive ghetto uprisings. Black activists galvanized
multi-racial rebellion among GIs, welfare mothers, students, and prisoners.
College campuses and high schools erupted in militant protest against the
Vietnam War. A predominantly white New Left, inspired by the Black movement,
fought for an end to U.S. intervention abroad and a more humane and
cooperative way of life at home. By the late 1960s, deep-rooted resistance
had revived among Chicanos, Puerto Ricans, Asian Americans, and Native
Americans. A second wave of broad-based strugglefor women's liberation had
also emerged, along with significant efforts by lesbians, gay men, and
disabled people.
Millions of people in the United States began to reject the dominant ideology
and culture. Thousands challenged basic U.S. political and economic
institutions. For a brief moment, "the crucial mixture of people's confidence
in the government and lack of confidence in themselves which allows the
government to govern, the ruling class to rule...threatened to break down."
By the mid-1970s, this upheaval had largely subsided. Important progressive
activity persisted, mainly on a local level, and much continued to be learned
and won, but the massive, militant Black and New Left movements were gone.
The sense of infinite possibility and of our collective power to shape the
future had been lost. Progressive momentum dissipated. Radicals found
themselves on the defensive as right-wing extremists gained major government
positions and defined the contours of accepted political debate.
Many factors besides COINTELPRO contributed to this change. Important
progress was made toward achieving movement goals such as Black civil rights,
an end to the Vietnam War, and university reform. The mass media, owned by
big business and cowed by government and right-wing attack, helped to bury
radical activism by ceasing to cover it. Television, popular magazines, and
daily papers stereotyped Blacks as hardened criminals and welfare chiselers
or as the supposedly affluent beneficiaries of reverse "discrimination."
White youth were portrayed first as hedonistic hippies and mindless
terrorists, later as an apolitical, self-indulgent "me generation." Both were
scapegoated as threats to "decent, hard-working Middle America."
During the severe economic recession of the early- to mid- 1970s, former
student activists began entering the job market, some taking on
responsibility for children. Many were scared by brutal government and
right-wing attacks culminating in the murder of rank-and-file activists as
well as prominent leaders. Some were strung out on the hard drugs that had
become increasingly available in Black and Latin communities and among white
youth. Others were disillusioned by mistreatment in movements ravaged by the
very social sicknesses they sought to eradicate, including racism, sexism,
homophobia, class bias and competition.
Limited by their upbringing, social position, and isolation from older
radical traditions, 1960s activists were unable to make the connections and
changes required to build movements strong enough to survive and eventually
win structural change in the United States. Middle-class students did not
sufficiently ally with working and poor people. Too few white activists
accepted third world leadership of multi-racial alliances. Too many men
refused to practice genuine gender equality.
Originally motivated by goals of quick reforms, 1960s activists were
ill-prepared for the long-term struggles in which they found themselves.
Overly dependent on media-oriented superstars and one-shot dramatic actions,
they failed to develop stable organizations, accountable leadership, and
strategic perspective. Creatures of the culture they so despised, 

[CTRL] Internetworking and the Threat of Democracy [pt 1]

1999-10-14 Thread Joe Feck




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[CTRL] Manifesto of the O.T.O.

1999-10-14 Thread earthman

 -Caveat Lector-

Here's a quote:

"It [OTO] possesses the secret of the Stone of the Wise, of the Elixir of
Immortality, and of the Universal Medicine.

"Moreover, it possesses a Secret capable of realizing the world-old dream
of the Brotherhood of Man."

This "Manifesto" is from the OTO US headquarters site:
http://www.otohq.org/oto/

(Still haven't found Crowley's drawing of the grey who was his channellor.)

-

BAPHOMET XI°
Liber LII

http://www.otohq.org/oto/l52.html

Book 52

O. T. O.

Manifesto of the O.T.O.

The Manifesto provides a concise summary of the various threads of
initiatic tradition that make up the O.T.O.. It was first published from
Boleskine circa 1912 E.V., and reprinted in The Equinox III(1) (Detroit:
Universal, 1919). --H.B.

Issued by Order:

BAPHOMET XI° O.T.O.,
HIBERNIÆ IONÆ ET OMNIUM
BRITANNIARUM, REX SUMMUS SANCTISSIMUS

PEACE, TOLERANCE, TRUTH:
SALUTATION ON ALL POINTS OF THE TRIANGLE;
RESPECT TO THE ORDER.

To all whom it may concern: Greeting and Health.

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.


1. The O.T.O. is a body of initiates in whose hands are concentrated the
wisdom and the knowledge of the following bodies:
.The Gnostic Catholic Church.
.The Order of the Knights of the Holy Ghost.
.The Order of the Illuminati.
.The Order of the Temple (Knights Templar).
.The Order of the Knights of St. John.
.The Order of the Knights of Malta.
.The Order of the Knights of the Holy Sepulchre.
.The Hidden Church of the Holy Graal.
.The Hermetic Brotherhood of Light.
.The Holy Order of Rose Croix of Heredom.
.The Order of the Holy Royal Arch of Enoch.
.The Antient and Primitive Rite of Masonry (33 degrees).
.The Rite of Memphis (97 degrees).
.The Rite of Mizraim (90 degrees).
.The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Masonry (33 degrees).
.The Swedenborgian Rite of Masonry.
.The Order of the Martinists.
.The Order of the Sat Bhai,
and many other orders of equal merit, if of less fame.

It does not include the AA, with which august body it is, however, in
close alliance.

It does not in any way infringe the just privileges of duly authorized
Masonic Bodies.

2. The dispersion of the original secret wisdom having led to confusion,
it was determined by the Chiefs of all these Orders to recombine and
centralize their activities, even as white light, divided in a prism,
may be recomposed.

It embodies the whole of the secret knowledge of all Oriental Orders;
and its chiefs are initiates of the highest rank, and recognized as such
by all capable of such recognition in every country in the world.

In more remote times, the constituent originating assemblies of the
O.T.O. included such men as:
.Fohi
.Hippolytus
.Laotze
.Merlin
.Siddartha
.Arthur
.Krishna
.Titurel
.Tahuti
.Amfortas
.Ankh-f-n-khonsu
.Percivale
.Herakles
.Mosheh
.Orpheus
.Odysseus
.Vergilius
.Mohammed
.Catullus
.Hermes
.Martialis
.Pan
.Apollonius Tyanaeus
.Dante
.Simon Magus
.Carolus Magnus
.Manes
.William of Schyren
.Basilides
.Frederick of Hohenstaufen
.Valentinus
.Roger Bacon
.Bardesanes
.Jacobus Burgundus Molensis
.King Wu
.Ko Hsuen
.Christian Rosenkreutz
.Osiris
.Ulrich von Hutten
.Melchizedek
.Paracelsus
.Khem
.Michael Maier
.Menthu
.Jakob Boehme
.Johannes Dee
.Francis Bacon
.Sir Edward Kelly
.Andrèa
.Thos. Vaughan
.Robertus de Fluctibus
.Elias Ashmole
.Chau
.Comte de Chazal
.Saturnus
.Sigismund Bacstrom
.Dionysus
.Molinos
And recently:
.Wolfgang von Goethe
.Friedrich Nietzsche
.Sir Richard Payne Knight
.Hargrave Jennings
.Sir Richard Francis Burton
.Carl Kellner
.Forlong Dux
.Eliphas Lèvi
.Ludovicus Rex Bavariae
.Franz Hartmann
.Richard Wagner
.Cardinal Rampolla
.Ludwig von Fischer
.Papus (Dr. Encausse)

The names of women members are never divulged.

It is not lawful here to disclose the name of any living chief.

It was Carl Kellner who revived the exoteric organization of the O.T.O.
and initiated the plan now happily complete of bringing all occult
bodies again under one governance.

The letters O.T.O. represent the words Ordo Templi Orientis (Order of
the Temple of the Orient, or Oriental Templars), but they have also a
secret meaning for initiates.

3. The Order is international, and has existing branches in every
civilized country of the world.

4. The aims of the O.T.O. can only be understood fully by its highest
initiates; but it may be said openly that it teaches Hermetic Science or
Occult Knowledge, the Pure and Holy Magick of Light, the Secrets of
Mystic attainment, Yoga of all forms, Gnana Yoga, Raja Yoga, Bhakta Yoga
and Hatha Yoga, and all other branches of the secret Wisdom of the
Ancients.

In its bosom repose the Great Mysteries; its brain has resolved all the
problems of philosophy and of life.

It possesses the secret of the Stone of the Wise, of the Elixir of
Immortality, and of the Universal Medicine.

Moreover, it possesses a Secret capable of realizing the world-old dream
of the Brotherhood of Man.

It also possesses in every important centre of population a hidden

Re: [CTRL] [prj] HOW TO DEFEAT STATISM

1999-10-14 Thread Joe Feck

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In a message dated 10/14/99 5:01:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Statism is the doctrine that maintains that your life, money and
  property
   are not yours.  It is the idea that you may only take those actions
   permitted by the state, that you may be forced to surrender your money
  to
   the state or forbidden to spend it as you please, that you may not use
  and
   dispose of your property as you see fit.

everything previously prohibited is now mandatory!

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[CTRL] Fwd: Oct. 15 column -- the population bomb

1999-10-14 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

In a message dated 10/13/1999 11:48:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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 FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA
 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED OCT. 15, 1999
 THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz
 The population bomb is defused


 Some of the enthusiasm seems to have ebbed from the birthday celebration.

   This week -- on Tuesday Oct. 12, supposedly, though the selection of a
 precise date was a bit arbitrary -- the folks who attempt to estimate world
 population assure us an infant was born, who became the earth's 6 billionth
 living human being.

   Plans were for outfits like the Sierra Club to ballyhoo this event as a
 further sign that we are racing ever more rapidly towards our own
 destruction as a species, further proof that we need to move a lot faster
 in authorizing governments to use much stronger measures to -- well, to do
 whatever it is governments do to stop folks from having so many children,
 since excess population, as we all know, causes air pollution, thirst,
 famine, disease, global warming, the destruction of the rain forests, and
 the extinction of who knows how many yet-to-be-discovered species of
 obscure bugs and slime molds, not to mention causing acne, halitosis, and
 sunspots.

   After all, it took 123 years -- from 1804 to 1927 -- for the world
 population to double from 1 billion to 2 billion people. But it took only
 33 years (1927 tom 1960) to add another billion and only 14 years (1960 to
 1974) to grow from 3 to 4 billion. It's geometric!

   But a slight problem arose on the way to the great auto-da-fe.

   First, the "birthday" of the 6 billionth child had to be delayed a few
 years. Turns out fertility rates have been falling all by themselves. Any
 rate below 2.1 means a population isn't even replacing itself, and
 America's rate is already down to 1.99.

   Yes, the world fertility rate remains at 2.71 -- largely because children
 are thought of as additional helping hands, rather than as economic
 burdens, in impoverished rural economies. But world-wide, that's down from
 an average of 5 children per woman as recently as the early 1950s.

   And -- even more frustrating to those seeking an excuse for strong
 central governments to impose harsh controls -- it turns out the true
 answer to the population "problem" is not some form of infanticide combined
 with careful government rationing of limited resources, but rather
 prosperity and free-market capitalism, which have demonstrated a resilient
 tendency to locate ever more resources, and to distribute them so
 efficiently that life expectancies and standards of living have actually
 gone up, not down.

   Nations with the lowest rate of births -- without the kind of draconian
 limits on family size espoused by those past masters of centralized
 planning, the Communist Chinese -- turn out to be free economies like
 Germany, Italy, Greece, and the Czech Republic, with current reproduction
 rates all falling between 1.15 and 1.30. Nations with the highest fertility
 rates remain those that still live under various forms of feudal
 kleptocracy or collectivist tyranny, including Uganda, Afghanistan,
 Nigeria, and Angola -- where rates still run from 6.80 to 7.25, in part
 because parents in such benighted cultures simply don't expect most of
 their children to live.

   But even at those rates, world population growth is down from 2 percent a
 year in 1960 to 1.3 percent today, and is expected -- even by the United
 Nations -- to drop below the no-growth level of 0.3 percent by the year
 2050.

   Yes, world population may still climb to 8 billion in the next 50 years
 -- an increase of about 33 percent. But that will have a far (start
 ital)smaller(end ital) impact than the tripling of the world population
 from 1927 to 1999. And at that point, it actually appears human population
 could start to (start ital)fall(end ital).

   "Many people would be surprised to learn that the growth rate is
 declining," U.N. demographer Thomas Buettner told the Los Angeles Times
 last week. "People think it's out of control, that the population is
 growing like cancer. But if you look hard, you see many signs ... that
 stabilization will occur, or go into the negative. People are controlling
 their own lives and this has impacts on the number of children we have. We
 have virtually no country anymore that has not started at least a modest
 fertility decline."

   How about that. The "Population Bomb": It's another dud.


 Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas
 Review-Journal. His new book, "Send in the Waco Killers: Essays on the
 Freedom Movement, 1993-1998," is available at $21.95 plus $3 shipping
 through Mountain Media, P.O. Box 271122, Las Vegas, Nev. 89127. The
 500-page trade paperback may also be ordered via web site
 http://www.thespiritof76.com/wacokillers.html, or at 1-800-244-2224. Volume
 discounts available.

 ***



 Vin Suprynowicz,   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 "The evils of 

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Murder of Mumia Scheduled

1999-10-14 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 10/14/1999 12:12:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 Pennsylvania Governor Tom Ridge just signed the death
 warrant for African-American activist and journalist
 Mumia Abu-Jamal. The state-sponsored murder of Mumia
 is scheduled for December 2, 1999. If you can, please
 protest on his behalf (http://mumia.org/story1.html). 

I'm trying to figure out if Tom Ridge has discovered that he won't be George
Bush's running mate and now can kill Mumia without worrying about
international pickets  at our next presidential election.   It sure doesn't
seem like a prudent thing to do if he wants to share the ticket.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Internetworking and the Threat of Democracy [pt 1]

1999-10-14 Thread Tatman, Robert

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Er...all I found when I opened this attachment was a fragment of code...

 -Original Message-
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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #2

1999-10-14 Thread C. Laughlan

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Re:  "Paul Kurtz has been in foxholes..."  yada yada yada...

I read the article attached to this one.  So...looks like Paul has finally
achieved the founding of a new evangelical religious movement!  Move over
Jerry Falwell!  Wonder where he plans to set up his "Vatican."  Amherst,
maybe?

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Murder of Mumia Scheduled

1999-10-14 Thread Tatman, Robert

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All the Supreme Court's decision does is to throw the ball back to a lower
court. Mumia and his attorneys have so many petitions before Federal court
that the guy will likely live to a ripe old age behind bars. This is
precisely why it's been noted by more than one observer that the surest way
to guarantee a life sentence is to give a prisoner the death penalty. Mumia
is manipulating the system and manipulating thousands of well-meaning but
ignorant leftists. Sure, the Philadelphia DA and Police Department screwed
up the case, just like they're still screwing up cases right and left. That
doesn't mean Mumia didn't kill the officer. It just means he didn't get a
fair trial, either the first time or the second time.

Yes, the death penalty *is* murder, and two wrongs *don't* make a right, my
Jesuit professors and their Principle of Double Effect to the contrary
notwithstanding. My own personal opinion is that instead of death, we ought
to use complete isolation for life...that is, contact with *no one*. It
would serve people like Mumia right if they had to spend the rest of their
lives with no one to talk to except themselves.

 -Original Message-
 From: Prudence L. Kuhn [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 3:28 PM
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 Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Murder of Mumia Scheduled

  -Caveat Lector-

 In a message dated 10/14/1999 12:12:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
  Pennsylvania Governor Tom Ridge just signed the death
  warrant for African-American activist and journalist
  Mumia Abu-Jamal. The state-sponsored murder of Mumia
  is scheduled for December 2, 1999. If you can, please
  protest on his behalf (http://mumia.org/story1.html). 

 I'm trying to figure out if Tom Ridge has discovered that he won't be
 George
 Bush's running mate and now can kill Mumia without worrying about
 international pickets  at our next presidential election.   It sure
 doesn't
 seem like a prudent thing to do if he wants to share the ticket.  Prudy



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[CTRL] Where do we come from?

1999-10-14 Thread earthman

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Just passing this on

Peter

Where do we come from?



The Sumerian cuneiform deciphering skills of Zecharia Sitchin, a linguist
in command of many ancient languages who has set the
scientific world on its ear with his astounding interpretations of ancient
writings. In 1976, Sitchin's first book, The Twelfth Planet,
began an odyssey that has literally transformed the field of ancient
history; in 1993 came the sixth book in his Earth Chronicle
series, When Time Began. Among other mind boggling assertions, this book
links the complex calendar of Stonehenge and the
puzzling ruins of Tiahuanacu in Peru to the ancient culture of the
Sumerians, and by extension, to the Nibiruans, who are also called
the Anunnaki. These are the folks Sitchin insists not only created the
Sumerian culture, but who also genetically created human
beings as we know them. And yes, they live on this mysterious 12th planet,
Nibiru.


  To date, Sitchin has deciphered more then
2,000 clay cylinders from that ancient land
  on the Persian Gulf that existed some
6,000 years ago. Some of these fragments,
  which date to 4,000 B.C., are in museums
around the world. One fragment in
  particular, presently in Germany,
indicates that Earth is the seventh planet, counting
  in from Pluto. The time frame here is
four millennia before modern astronomy
  confirmed the existence of Pluto as an
actual planet in our solar system. So how did
  an ancient race of people know this fact?
Sitchin says it is because these ancient
  people did not come from Earth, but from
Nibiru. Profound family squabbles eventually
  caused the Nibiruans to abandon planet
Earth, leaving human beings to fend for
  themselves. These early humans would
never possess the ability to travel among the
  stars like their creators, nor would they
possess the immortality of their creators.
  Eons later, however, we humans finally
have sent an intelligently designed satellite
  probe beyond the confines of our solar
system. Are we repeating our past? This is but
  one of the perplexing questions Sitchin
investigates in the Earth Chronicles. Not only
  an eminent archaeologist, Sitchin is also
a formidable analyst of ancient cultures, in
fact, perhaps the best ever.

His explicative comparisons of similar but disparate mythologies provide a
fuller understanding of world religions. Among other
things, Sitchin's investigations indicate that there may be an outpost in
orbit around Mars preventing current humans from getting
there (a fact verified by both U.S. and Russian space probe problems in
that neighborhood). But the primary focus of this impressive
research is ancient Sumer. The decipherment of that culture's clay tablets,
buried for millennia, reveals roots that stretch all the way
back to 450,000 B.C. The reason Sitchin was motivated to learn to read
cuneiform tablets was his initial curiosity as a


 Cuneiform tablets

boy concerning the meaning of "Nefilim", an enigmatic group mentioned in
the Old Testament. Translated, "Nefilim" means "those
who came down." "Came down from where" is the starting point that makes the
Earth Chronicles better reading than any Sherlock
Holmes mystery. In order to unlock the mystery, Sitchin takes on a journey
all around the world to ancient cities and former
civilizations.

It would be impossible to do justice to his research in such a brief review
as this one; however, there are some very significant
findings on the existence of this other race of people. Perhaps the most
compelling is the "face on Mars," the structure in the area
called Cydonia on the Red Planet. What is it? If the relationship of the
face on Mars is analysed for its distance to other pyramidal
structures also discovered on Mars, the geometric relationship is found to
be identical to the distances of the Egyptian Sphinx and
the pyramids in the surrounding areas of Egypt. Sitchin concluded the
placement of these pyramids indicates that they served as
landing markers for the Nibiruans after they entered the Earth's atmosphere
from outer space. Sitchin also has asserted that the
early pyramids were not designed by the Egyptians. NBC-TV aired a program
on Nov.10, 1993 entitled "The Mystery of the Sphinx",
indicating that the Sphinx is 2,000 years older than previously thought.
This corroborates Sitchin's findings that someone other than
the Egyptians designed the pyramids.

One astounding assertion after another has made Sitchin the most
controversial 

Re: [CTRL] Where do we come from?

1999-10-14 Thread Ric Carter

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From: earthman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 The Sumerian cuneiform deciphering skills of Zecharia Sitchin, a
 linguist in command of many ancient languages who has set the
 scientific world on its ear with his astounding interpretations
 of ancient writings.

Are Stichin's translations reproducable?  Have any other linguists
translated the same texts the same way?  If not, why not?  Do you
value unconfirmed reports, non-repeatable results, unvalidated
notions?  Is consensus too boring?

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #2

1999-10-14 Thread Ric Carter

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 Re:  "Paul Kurtz has been in foxholes..."  yada yada yada...
 So...looks like Paul has finally achieved the founding of a new
 evangelical religious movement!  Move over Jerry Falwell!  Wonder
 where he plans to set up his "Vatican."  Amherst, maybe?

That would be "irreligious movement", I believe.  Better than a
religious movement, a bowel movement, the usual social demagoguery,
eh?  "We're no longer just a movement, we're a revolution -- and
we've got what it takes to kick some irrational butt!"  Yowser...

I seem to recall Tom Jefferson writing something about the need to
have a new revolution every 20 years or so.  Maybe it's time for
a revolution to kick wishful/magical thinking out of public life,
eh?  Or are godless ethics more than most people can handle?

Amherst isn't really the right place for an antiVatican, though.
I'd nominate Provincetown.  Better situated.

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Re: [CTRL] Where do we come from?

1999-10-14 Thread earthman

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I think pictures are worth a thousand words.. Just go take a peek..
http://xfacts.com/x2.htm
This URL was handy, I could supply you with more if you like and I can
thoroughly recommend reading the 12th Planet as a starter.. Facts not
Faith..

Peter
Nice to have you back you sceptical @#%*.. :)

We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard
http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage
Bargain Books
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  The Sumerian cuneiform deciphering skills of Zecharia Sitchin, a
  linguist in command of many ancient languages who has set the
  scientific world on its ear with his astounding interpretations
  of ancient writings.

 Are Stichin's translations reproducable?  Have any other linguists
 translated the same texts the same way?  If not, why not?  Do you
 value unconfirmed reports, non-repeatable results, unvalidated
 notions?  Is consensus too boring?

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Re: [CTRL] Where do we come from?

1999-10-14 Thread Das GOAT

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In a message dated 99-10-14 15:43:20 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

But Sitchin is well aware of this devil's advocacy, and vaporizes
the arguments of skeptics with solid scholarship, including
the most rigorous translations of Sumerian text, Vedic tales and excerpts
from the original Greek and Hebrew versions of the Bible.
This ability to translate many languages is no small achievement. Those of
us who will never possess the ability to decipher 6,000-year-old clay
tablets
must TRUST sic  that Sitchin has done his job accurately.

The work of Zecharia Sitchin is without question the most mind stretching
cosmology available to date. Furthermore, it appears
unchangeable academically.

Oh, bull.  Might as well say Art Bell is a more brilliant physicist than
Albert Einstein.
Sitchin is just another Von Dahniken, with a bigger grab-bag bibliography
tacked on.

Academically, Sitchin's work is SO POOR --tested, he couldn't even "decipher"
ordinary Sumerian GRAMMAR correctly!-- it's BENEATH COMMENT by reputable
scholars.

His CONCEPTS are provocative, sure, but as for PROVING them, he not only
grasps at straws, he FABRICATES much "evidence," perfectly willing to LIE to
suit his purposes.

I've met him and I've asked him challenging questions, which he was unable to
answer, since any conversation outside his (prepared) "script" reveals that
he is less intelligent than many of his readers.  The only question is, who's
his 'ghost writer'? -- Cui bono?

He claims to have studied under Samuel Noah Kramer.  Dr Kramer never heard of
him. Do other Sumerologists know of him?  No, since he has never studied at
any university with a faculty devoted to ancient languages.  Does he have a
degree?  Let him try and prove THAT!  He states he studied at the London
School of Economics -- prep-school for NWO intelligentsia, including psy-op
specialists like (small world) Whitley Strieber-- where he says he majored in
ECONOMICS.  A short-term summer-school program, no doubt.  If he's such a
brilliant scholar, where do we see his Curriculum Vitae, much less his
RESUME?  NONE of his own claims about his background can be substantiated ...

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Re: [CTRL] Manifesto of the O.T.O.

1999-10-14 Thread Das GOAT

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Still haven't found Crowley's drawing of the grey who was his channellor.

A portrait of "Lam" (?) can be found in one of Kenneth Grant's older books on
Crowley, dealing specifically with his contact with Cthulhu-like "Old Ones."
Sorry, I've forgotten the book's title; I found a copy (didn't buy it) in a
used bookstore about ten years ago

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Danite Irish]

1999-10-14 Thread Das GOAT

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In a message dated 99-10-14 12:26:32 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 the wide distribution of names such as Dan, Don, Danu, Diana, Tana,
Danaan, Danaus, Danuvius/Danube, and the like. Indo-European linguists
derive such river names as "Don" (Ukraine) and "Danube" (Central/Eastern
Europe) from a Pro-Indo-European (PIE) root *dôn, "?flowing water"

Tracing such god-names back to the tribe of "Dan" (="judge" in Hebrew) among
the Israelites falls short of something more radical -- that same word in
Hebrew originated in SUMERIAN (see the basic Sumerian lexicon at
http://www.sumerian.org/sumerlex.htm)
and the sea-faring "Danites" of Israel were apparently a later "add-on" to
the Tribes -- an adopted group of Phoenicians, if not indeed some
late-surviving SUMERIAN colony.

Otherwise, apart from the Proto-Indo-European root meaning "flowing water,"
there's that old IE word for "shining" and "sky" (a god-word) that becomes in
Latin Deus (alternately --the "u" becoming hard "v" in some dialects-- Divus,
souirce of the woird "divine") and Jove (the "d" mutating from "dy" [Dyaus in
Sanskit) to "dj" and then to a "j" sound], as well as Diana and Jana/Janus
("n" popping up) and Greek Potei-don (Poseidon).  Not to mention the old
Greek "de" (variant of "ge") as in De-meter ("mother EARTH") that may relate
such words to an IE root meaning LAND (territory) rather than "flowing water"
...

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[CTRL] (Fwd) [BRIGADE] Berger Rejects Constitution

1999-10-14 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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Dear Brigade,

"In addition, the United States also will continue to abide by the terms
of the rejected Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, U.S. National Security
Adviser Sandy Berger said ``Under the Vienna Convention (governing
treaty law) a country that signs a treaty cannot do anything inconsistent
with that treaty unless the president -- not the Senate ... essentially
renounces the treaty, and we have no intention of doing that,'' ..."

GO PAT GO
Linda



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Linda:

Thought this story might be of interest because of Sandy Berger's apparent
belief that the Constitution doesn't count. ``Under the Vienna Convention
(governing treaty law) a country that signs a treaty cannot do anything
inconsistent with that treaty unless the president -- not the Senate ...
essentially renounces the treaty, and we have no intention of doing
that,'' Berger said in a telephone interview. Does this mean that by
treaty we have eliminated the role of the Senate in ratifying treaties?
Hawk

--

Clinton To Fight For Nuclear Pact, Keep Test Halt
Reuters, Thursday, October 14 1999 12:37 AM EDT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Clinton vowed Wednesday the United
States would eventually ratify a treaty banning nuclear arms testing
despite the Senate's rejection of the pact, and said a U.S. nuclear test
moratorium still stood.

``This agreement is critical to protecting the American people from the
dangers of nuclear war. It is therefore well worth fighting for. And I
assure you the fight is far from over,'' Clinton said on the White House
lawn.

``When all is said and done the United States will ratify the treaty,'' he
said.

Clinton said the United States would continue its nuclear weapons testing
moratorium in place since 1992.

``Russia, China, Britain and France have joined us in this moratorium.
Britain and France have done the sensible thing and ratified this treaty.
I hope not only they, but also Russia, China will all, along with other
countries, continue to refrain from nuclear testing,'' he said.

In addition, the United States also will continue to abide by the terms of
the rejected Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, U.S. National Security Adviser
Sandy Berger said.

``Under the Vienna Convention (governing treaty law) a country that signs
a treaty cannot do anything inconsistent with that treaty unless the
president -- not the Senate ... essentially renounces the treaty, and we
have no intention of doing that,'' Berger said in a telephone interview.

He said, however, the United States for now would lose the benefits of the
monitoring and inspection systems that would be implemented if the treaty
was ratified by all 44 nuclear capable nations and went into effect.

The treaty defeat also makes it harder to persuade the newest nuclear
powers, India and Pakistan, to desist from further tests, Berger said.

It was important for the United States to reassure the world it would
continue to exercise leadership in nonproliferation, he said.

Clinton spoke shortly after the Republican-controlled Senate handed him
one of his bitterest foreign policy defeats, rejecting the treaty by a
51-48 vote.

The final vote was far short of the two-thirds majority needed to ratify
the treaty. Republican opponents said the pact failed to adequately ensure
against cheating by nuclear powers and would leave the United States
unable to guarantee the reliability of its nuclear arsenal.

Clinton termed the rejection ``reckless'' and ``partisan'' act, which
followed failed negotiations to delay the vote.

``We have to keep this issue alive and continue to argue it in the
strongest and most forceful terms,'' he said. ``The test ban treaty is
strongly in America's interests. It is still on the Senate calendar. It
will not go away.''

``I wish we could have had a responsible alternative. I worked until the
11th hour to achieve it. This was a political deal and I hope it will get
the treatment from the American people it richly deserves,'' he said.

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[CTRL] FW: As the Millennium Churns

1999-10-14 Thread Tatman, Robert

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Thought you might be interested...

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 a gravel strip in a town with a population of 451.

 2. Death takes its poll: Some 50,000 Oklahomans voted for a woman in the
 Democratic primary running for a Senate position--even though she had died
 six weeks before the election.

 3. Bully Pulpit: Even though the FBI's 1997 data shows that the rate of
 violent crime has dropped since the 1970s, two-thirds of Americans
 actually think that crime rates are increasing. The Kentucky Legislature
 voted 76-9 to let ministers carry concealed handguns during sermons.

 4. Equal opportunity department: In a recent Forbes magazine list of the
 400 richest Americans, only one--Oprah Winfrey--is black.

 5. Flight of fancy: The General Accounting Office of the federal
 government has reported that the several-billion dollar B-2 stealth
 bomber, allegedly impervious to enemy radar detection, will lose its
 stealth coating if it comes into contact with moisture, such as ordinary
 rain.

[Note: The original specs for the F-117 Stealth fighter called for the
aircraft to be colored pale pink, which was determined to blend in with the
widest number of backgrounds. The Air Force rejected this after their "Top
Gun" pilots objected, arguing that the only color macho enough for them was
black. This is fine in night operations. Unfortunately, as the Air Force
discovered in Kosovo, in daylight, especially against a cloudy sky, the
Stealth sticks out like a sore thumb...all because Air Force pilots' manhood
was too threatened by the idea of flying a pink aircraft.--Bob]

 6. Fat or cancer: the tough choice. Despite the conclusion of the head of
 the Harvard School of Public Health that the artificial fat substitute
 Olestra will cause thousands of cases of cancer, and more than 5,000
 letters complaining of bad experiences with Olestra, the Food and Drug
 Administration reviewed and approved Olestra twice.

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[CTRL] [Fwd: FT WORTH SLAUGHTER]Newshawk

1999-10-14 Thread Nicola Molloy

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 Original Message 
Subject: FT WORTH SLAUGHTER
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:06:10 +
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Subject:
 FT WORTH SLAUGHTER
Date:
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Below is an excellent, thought-provoking analysis of the Ft. Worth
church shootings one month ago. The writer calls special attention to
the undeniably unusual video of the entire slaughter "found" afterward
by law enforcement.

Also noted below is that CNN Radio News broadcast an item stating
alleged Ft. Worth gunman Larry Ashbrook was heard while shooting to be
yelling that the government needed to enforce gun control and stop gun
shows!

Eh... WHAT???

Some "leaky" programming here, it appears!


NewHawk® Inc.


-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --

THE  FOLLOWING   ARTICLE --
http://www.konformist.com/1999/ftworth-jq.htm --
MAKES  MANY  RELEVANT  POINTS  ABOUT  THE  FT. WORTH INCIDENT.

AN  ADDITIONAL  POINT  THAT  I  FOUND  STRANGE  IS  THAT  SOMEONE
HAPPENED
TO  BE  VIDEOTAPING  THE  CHURCH  CEREMONY  THAT  DAY.  THIS  PERSON
CONTINUED  TO  TAPE  ASHBROOK  WHILE  HE  WAS  SHOOTING,  AT  LEAST
UNTIL
THE  GUN  IS  POINTED  IN  THE  DIRECTION  OF  THE  VIDEOGRAPHER,  WHO
THEN
DROPS  THE  CAMERA.

THE  VIDEO  CAMERA  WITH  INTACT  TAPE  IS  FOUND  IN  THE  CHURCH
LATER  BY  POLICE AND  THE  TAPE  IS  SHOWN  TO  DOCUMENT  THE
SLAUGHTER.

STRANGELY,  THE  POLICE  CAN  NOT  DETERMINE  WHO  OWNS  THE  CAMERA,
AS  NO  ONE  ADMITS  TO  BEING  THE  OWNER.  I  EVEN  READ  IN  ONE  OF
THE  NEWS  MAGAZINES  THAT  2  VIDEO  CAMERAS  WERE  FOUND,  THOUGH
THAT MAY  REPRESENT  SIMPLE  MISREPORTING. OR  MAYBE  THEY  JUST  CAN'T
GET  THE  STORY  STRAIGHT.

I SUSPECT  THAT  THE  TAPE  WAS  INTENDED  TO  DOCUMENT  THE  EVENT  IN
ORDER  TO  CRITIQUE  THE  RESULTS  OF  THE  MIND  CONTROL  PROJECT
AND/OR  TO  BE  USED  AS  VIVID  ANTI-GUN  FOOTAGE  WHEN  IT  WAS
BROADCAST  BY   THE   MEDIA.

PERHAPS  THE VIDEO  WAS  UNINTENTIONALLY  LEFT  BEHIND  WHEN  THE
VIDEOGRAPHER  PANICKED  AS   THE  GUN  WAS  POINTED  HIS  WAY,  OR
MAYBE  IT  WAS  INTENDED  TO  BE   FOUND.

EVEN  MORE  BIZZARRE,  I  HEARD  ON  CNN  HOURLY  RADIO  NEWS  ABOUT
3AM
2  WEEKS  AGO  THAT  ON  THE  VIDEO  ASHBROOK  IS  HEARD  TO  YELL
THAT  THE  GOVERNMENT  HAS  TO  START  ENFORCING  GUN  LAWS  AND  BAN
GUN  SHOWS.  THIS  WAS  SO  CRAZY   THAT  I  JUMPED  OUT  OF  BED!

IF  HE  DID  SAY  THIS,  HE  WAS   CLEARLY  PROGRAMMMED  TO  DO  SO.
IF  HE  DID  NOT  SAY  IT,  CNN IS  LYING  THRU  ITS  CORPORATE  NEW
WORLD  ORDER  TEETH.  I  HAVE  NOT  SEEN  THE  VIDEO  BROADCAST,  SO
I  CAN  NOT  VERIFY THIS.  BUT  I  KNOW  WHAT  I  HEARD  ON  CNN!


QUESTION:  HOW  MANY   LONE  NUTS  SLAUGHTERING  CHILDREN  AND
CHURCHGOERS  DOES  IT  TAKE  TO  ENGINEER  SEVERE  GUN  CONTROL?

ANSWER:  AS  MANY  AS  THEY  NEED.

I  THINK  OF  EAST  TIMOR  AS  AN  EXAMPLE  OF  A  SOCIETY  WHERE  ONLY
GOVERNMENT-BACKED  THUGS  HAVE  THE  WEAPONS.  NO  CHANCE  OF
SELF-DEFENSE  WHEN  THEY  COME  AROUND  TO  HERD  YOU LIKE  SHEEP  TO
THE
SLAUGHTER. AND  AMERICANS,  LIKE  DULL  SHEEP  ARE  BEING  LED  DOWN
THE  PRIMROSE  PATH  OF GUN  CONTROL  BECAUSE  THE   MEDIA  AND
POLITICIANS  ARE
TELLING  THEM  THAT TOO  MANY  GUNS  ARE  TO  BLAME  FOR  THIS  PATTERN
OF  SLAYINGS  THAT  ARE  OBVIOUSLY  INTENDED  TO  PRESS UPON  THE MOST
SENSITIVE  NERVES  IN  THE  PUBLIC  CONSCIOUSNESS.


AL

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[CTRL] FW: New Clinton Grab for Power

1999-10-14 Thread Fransy

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This will NEVER happen in the US. Yeah, right
Read on.

In a message dated 10/14/99 12:09:33 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

From: John Thoma [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 It's back!!  Exec. Order #13083 (rescinded due to public outcry)
 is here again as Order #13132.  It's basically an assault on the 10th
 ammendment.  Another blatant assault on your feeedom and an
 attempt to expand the power of the federal government by usurping
 the rights of the states.




 --10th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

 "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
 prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or
 to the
 people."




 Read the dirty details at  http://www.americanpolicy.org/

 Clinton is using a series of exec. orders to change the
 structure of the nations' government.  As Paula Begula
 a Clinton aid said after signing E.O. #13083, "stroke of
 the pen, law of the land...kinda cool."

 Yeah, kinda cool and kinda frightening.

 This is part of his Federalism philosophy...ALL POWER TO
 THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT...and the dictator (president).
 The power  he has amassed via E.O.'s  is awesome and frightening.

 If y2k is only 1% as bad as the gloomers suggest, it is
 entirely possible that he will invoke martial law which by
 the way  * suspends constitutional rights *.  Expect Clinton to
 assume  unilateral control of the central government.  NB
 a new E.O. places the military under FEMA control in case
 of national emergency.  OH! no we (white house) would never declare
 martial law in the US.  Hey, if it looks like a duck, walks
 like a duck and quacks like a duck

 This E.O demands for your immediate outcry to your congress
 person and governor.

 Congressmen Paul and Metcalf have introduced H.R. 2655, "The
 Separation of Powers and Restoration Act."  The bill establishes the
 Constitutional separation between the President and Congress which
 dictates that Congress shall make policy and the President should
 enforce it.

 House capital switchboard 202-225-3121
 Senate 202-224-3121

 Make a call...take a stand for your freedom.  Ask them to support
 H.R. 2655.

 John

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Danite Irish]

1999-10-14 Thread Tatman, Robert

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No basic disagreement...I was paraphrasing from *Celtic Heritage*, where the
authors propose this speculation in a note, admitting that it is highly
speculative. There *is* general agreement about IE scholars that river names
such as Don, Danube, etc., derive from PIE *dôn. Cognates are found across
the entire IE realm. (See J. P. Mallory, *In Search of the Indo-Europeans*,
for a good, scholarly, but highly readable survey of the "Indo-European
problem".)

The other names are guesswork...call it "poetic intuition" or
"retrocognition" if you like. What strikes me is the convergence of names:
Dana [Sumer!], Anath(a)[Palestine/Syria], Tanit [Phoenicia/Carthage], Athene
[Greece], Neith [Libya/Egypt], Diana [Rome], Danu [Ireland]. Diana would
seem, under this hypothesis, to have been syncretized with *diws, *div- at
an early date. Demeter (which Graves renders as "Mother Earth") was almost
certainly a *title* of the Great Goddess known variously as Hera, Athene,
Aphrodite, and Hekate, among other names. Many of these names appear to
predate the Indo-European invasion of Southeastern Europe.

One problem--indeed, *the* problem--in evaluating the prehistory of the
Mediterranean and the lands surrounding it is that elements from dozens, if
not hundreds, of cultures are mixed together so thoroughly that extricating
the individual items becomes well-nigh impossible. This difficulty is only
compounded by drawing in the Sumerians, who do not appear to derive from any
of the peoples indigenous to Mesopotamia, Anatolia, or Iran, and who did not
leave any descendants. There is no language that we know of based on
Sumerian. The Sumerian *script*, cuneiform, survived; the Sumerian
*language* survived after a fashion, as a trade, cult, and formal language,
although it is clear that the peoples using it had no idea of the original
pronunciation. It was, however, never used as the common speech...and there
is no evidence, as far as I know, that it was ever used as the common speech
even in *Sumer*! Was it an artificial language, created ex nihilo as both
Arabic and Hebrew were supposed to have been? What lies behind the biblical
story of the Tower of Babel and the Sumerian myth of the Descent of Inanna?
There is mystery enough here without adducing a "twelfth planet" and
supposed "elder race" whose slaves we were bred to be.

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 Subject:  Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Danite Irish]

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 In a message dated 99-10-14 12:26:32 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  the wide distribution of names such as Dan, Don, Danu, Diana, Tana,
 Danaan, Danaus, Danuvius/Danube, and the like. Indo-European linguists
 derive such river names as "Don" (Ukraine) and "Danube" (Central/Eastern
 Europe) from a Pro-Indo-European (PIE) root *dôn, "?flowing water"

 Tracing such god-names back to the tribe of "Dan" (="judge" in Hebrew)
 among
 the Israelites falls short of something more radical -- that same word in
 Hebrew originated in SUMERIAN (see the basic Sumerian lexicon at
 http://www.sumerian.org/sumerlex.htm)
 and the sea-faring "Danites" of Israel were apparently a later "add-on" to
 the Tribes -- an adopted group of Phoenicians, if not indeed some
 late-surviving SUMERIAN colony.

 Otherwise, apart from the Proto-Indo-European root meaning "flowing
 water,"
 there's that old IE word for "shining" and "sky" (a god-word) that becomes
 in
 Latin Deus (alternately --the "u" becoming hard "v" in some dialects--
 Divus,
 souirce of the woird "divine") and Jove (the "d" mutating from "dy" [Dyaus
 in
 Sanskit) to "dj" and then to a "j" sound], as well as Diana and Jana/Janus
 ("n" popping up) and Greek Potei-don (Poseidon).  Not to mention the old
 Greek "de" (variant of "ge") as in De-meter ("mother EARTH") that may
 relate
 such words to an IE root meaning LAND (territory) rather than "flowing
 water"
 ...


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[CTRL] Fw: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: [CTRL] Catholic Bishop on Muslim Crusades

1999-10-14 Thread Franklin Wayne Poley

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The plot thickens in this little conspiracy...eh?

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Subject: Fw: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: [CTRL] Catholic Bishop on Muslim "Crusades"


From: "Franklin Wayne Poley" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear Vancouver Sun: Preston Manning, Canadian Reform Party Leader and
Leader
of the Official Opposition is quoted as saying that he is "thankful for
Canada's Christian Heritage". But Manning has a long record as a
sociopathic
liar, a role for which his background as a "churchocrat" admirably
qualifies
him. Just ask him to articulate what a culture/society/nation today would
be
like if it were living the "lifestyle" of that "Christian Heritage". The
CHP
(Christian Heritage Party) doesn't know. Manning isn't qualified to polish
boots in Canada today, let alone lead the Reform Party.
FWP.

cc-Saudi Gazette for consideration re publishing as a letter to the editor,
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Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Re: [CTRL] Catholic Bishop on Muslim "Crusades"


From: "Franklin Wayne Poley" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Missions Fest in Vancouver is billed as North America's largest missionary
meet. It is controlled by a narrow group of Protestants which even keeps
out
other Protestants or quasi-Protestant denominations which it regards as
"cults" such as Christian Scientists, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses. I have
initiated a complaint/law suit against the Mfest Board for religious
discrimination which is explicitly proscribed by the Canadian Charter of
Rights and Freedoms section of the Constitution. If I am successful (as I
expect to be) then Roman Catholics AND Muslims can have exhibit booths at
Mfest 2000 to tell us what a "Godly Nation" is like from their
perspectives.
So everyone can go on a crusade into "Deepest, Darkest Vancouver".
FWP.
See http://www.mfest.bc.ca

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Subject: [CTRL] Catholic Bishop on Muslim "Crusades"


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Bishop: Islam Expanding Conquests

VATICAN CITY (AP) - Islam is driving into predominantly Christian
countries
in a new campaign of expansion and conquest, a bishop at a Vatican synod
claimed Wednesday in a warning to his European colleagues.

Giuseppe Germano Bernardini, archbishop of Izmir in Turkey, spoke at a
synod
of European bishops on what he said was Islam's growing challenge to
Christianity, even on its home ground.

``The 'domination' has already started with petrodollars, used not to
create
jobs in poor countries in North Africa and the Middle East, but to build
mosques and cultural centers in Christian countries ... including Rome,
center of Christianity,'' Bernardini declared.

``Who cannot see in this a clear program of expansion and reconquest?''
he
asked.

The dire tone of his warning contrasted with repeated overtures to the
Islamic world by Pope John Paul II, whose comments on Islam frequently
stress
the values it shares with Christianity.

The archbishop was one of several at the synod to express frustration in
dealing with the Islamic world, however. Others in the weeklong session
have
spoken of the need for cooperation between 

[CTRL] (Fwd) Responses to Clinton's WTO Protest Welcome

1999-10-14 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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4:45 PM (Eastern Time) Thursday, October 14, 1999

RESPONSES AVAILABLE FROM SUPPORTERS
OF WTO PROTESTS WELCOMED BY CLINTON

Speaking at a news conference this afternoon, President Clinton said that
he is not concerned about the massive protests planned for the World Trade
Organization global summit when it convenes in Seattle in late November.

The following policy analysts who support those protests are available for
comment:

SARAH ANDERSON, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"It's great that he's welcoming protesters outside the ministerial
meeting, but it would be more meaningful for him to actually push for
civil society to have a place inside, at the negotiating table," said
Sarah Anderson, an economic analyst and fellow at the Institute for Policy
Studies in Washington, D.C. She added: "People are coming from around the
world to protest because they've been locked out of this process."

JULIETTE BECK, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"We've joined with thousands of people around the planet to call for a
reassessment of the WTO, not expansion, in Seattle -- and until President
Clinton respects this call, he's not listening to the people who are
raising these vital concerns," said Juliette Beck, statewide coordinator
of the California Free Trade Campaign. "He can say all he wants about
caring for the environment and labor, but until he agrees to a
reassessment of the WTO, he's giving a green light to the corporate
free-trade agenda that has gotten us into the social and environmental
problems that we are all living with."

KEVIN DANAHER, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Danaher is co-founder of Global Exchange, a San Francisco-based
organization that is among hundreds of groups involved in planning for
protests at the World Trade Organization summit in Seattle during the week
after Thanksgiving. "President Clinton said this afternoon that he doesn't
think it's a bad thing that so many of us will be going to Seattle to
protest the WTO ministerial meeting," Danaher said. "What he doesn't seem
to realize is that the public is catching on to what the WTO is really
about. It is an undemocratic institution that exercises more control over
the rules of the global economy than any other institution -- and yet it
operates in secret, with no representation of the interests of working
people, small business and the environment."

MARK WEISBROT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Against the meager gains from trade, we must consider the impact of trade
on the distribution of income," said Mark Weisbrot, an economist who is
research director of the Preamble Center based in Washington, D.C. "As
trade has expanded over the last quarter century, the median real wage in
the United States has actually fallen. There is no longer any doubt among
economists that these two trends -- increasing trade and falling real
wages -- are related."

For more information, contact at the Institute for Public Accuracy:
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Re: [CTRL] Religion

1999-10-14 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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If you know of texts that should be added to this page ... says Dave Wiley.

well now that you ask  I invented my own religion just to see if it
could be done ... but initially in the hope of gaining some tax exemption
... :)

Its called CONTINUISM -

I invented my own 'genesis' story,
used scientific analogy to model the basic ingredients
I invented my own Cosmology and particle physics ...
and even wrote my own book of ethics

and I appointed myself the 'High Priest' :)
.. then charged myself a lot of money for my membership !
but never got as far as employing a pretty secretary :(

However - CONTINUISM can give anyone a run for their money -
and I think that it deserves a place amongst those texts as:
the worlds smallest religion  whadyathink ?

Andrew

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[CTRL] (Fwd) NCPA Policy Digest 10-14-99

1999-10-14 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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National Center For Policy Analysis
DAILY POLICY DIGEST
Thursday, October 14, 1999

PointCast can automatically load NCPA's Policy Digest summaries
on your desktop for easy reading.  For information go to
http://www.ncpa.org/pointcast.html

IN TODAY'S DIGEST

   o   A SEVENFOLD INCREASE IN LAND PRICES and an apartment glut
   are some of the effects of "Smart Growth" policies in
   Portland, OreNCPA

   o   CRITICAL INDUSTRIES HAVE NOT CERTIFIED THEIR Y2K
   COMPLIANCE, says former Gov. Pete Du
   PontNCPA/WASHINGTON TIMES

   o   NOBEL ECONOMIST ROBERT A. MUNDELL is a defender of the
   gold standard and supply-side tax cuts, say
   observersWALL STREET JOURNAL

   o   THE LONDON UNDERGROUND MAY BE PRIVATIZED despite the
   Paddington station wreck, say observersWALL STREET
   JOURNAL

   o   THE U.S. SUPREME COURT HAS AN AGE DISCRIMINATION CASE
   brought by state employees, which raises issues of
   federalismNEW YORK TIMES

   o   FASTEST GROWING AREAS AND INDUSTRIES HAVE LOWEST UNION
   MEMBERSHIP rate, according to an AFL-CIO studyNEW YORK
   TIMES

   o   WHITES-ONLY AFFIRMATIVE ACTION CHALLENGED, as black
   student claims his 14th Amendment rights are
   violatedCHICAGO TRIBUNE

IN TODAY'S NEWS

PORTLAND: SMART GROWTH'S BAD EXAMPLE

Portland, Ore., is pioneering Smart Growth (also known as the New
Urbanism), the latest fad in urban planning.  Smart Growth
promises such things as less congestion, more affordable housing
and cleaner air, says economist Randal O'Toole.  But in Portland,
Smart Growth policies are delivering rapidly increasing
congestion, higher housing prices and more pollution.

Portland's regional government, called Metro, anticipates area
population will increase 75 percent by 2040.  Yet it plans to
increase highway capacity no more than 13 percent while it adds
90 miles of rail transit lines to the 30 miles already built.

   o   In 1990, 92 percent of all the trips taken in the Portland
   area were by auto, while 3 percent were by transit and the
   rest were by walking or bicycling (see figure
   http://www.ncpa.org/ba/ba305/ba305fig1.gif ).

   o   Metro officials project that even with planned changes, by
   2040 Portlanders will still drive for 88 percent of their
   trips and use transit for just 6 percent.

   o   And the number of miles of congested roads will more than
   triple -- partly due to "traffic calming" measures to
   discourage driving, such as narrowing and reducing the
   number of traffic lanes, including eliminating turn lanes
   on major streets.

Metro plans to increase population density by two-thirds; for
example, some neighborhoods of single-family homes have been
rezoned for multi-family housing.  There is now a huge surplus in
apartment and multi-family housing and a major shortage of
single-family homes.  Since 1996, Portland has ranked among the
five least affordable U.S. housing markets and land prices have
increased sevenfold.

Metro also admits that its plan will increase smog by 10 percent,
which is consistent with Environmental Protection Agency data
showing that the worst air pollution is found in the densest
cities and urban areas.

Source: Randal O'Toole, "Portland: Smart Growth's Bad Example,"
Brief Analysis No. 305, October 14, 1999, National Center for
Policy Analysis, 12655 N. Central Expy., Suite 720, Dallas, Texas
75243, (972) 386-6272.

For text http://www.ncpa.org/ba/ba305/ba305.html

For more on Land Use Controls
http://www.ncpa.org/pd/state/state4.html

BEWARE COMPLACENCY ON Y2K COMPLIANCE

January 1, 2000, is only two-and-one-half months away and no one
knows for sure whether their lights will stay on when that date
rolls around. However, recently there was a long list of electricity
suppliers who had not yet announced that they are Y2K compliant.

Moreover, a long list of companies in the chemical industry,
water suppliers and nuclear power plants that operate on
computers had yet to affirm that they are 100 percent ready for
the new millennium, according to Y2K expert Dick Lefkon.

   o   The U.S. electric power industry is comprised of
   approximately 3,200 different electric utilities and some
   big names -- including Baltimore GE, Detroit Edison,
   Florida Power, Indianapolis PL, Minnesota Power and
   Wisconsin PL -- had yet to claim they are fully ready
   for the 21st Century.

   o   The chemical industry is composed of approximately 69,000
   operations -- but the government has Y2K data on fewer
   than 500 of them.

   o   With regard to water supplies, we only have data on fewer
   than 600 of the 190,000 operations.

   o   A Nuclear Energy Institute survey indicates that 22 of the
   nation's 103 nuclear reactors are not expected to be 100
   percent ready until the fourth quarter.

The hope 

[CTRL] GOP News Views - October 14, 1999

1999-10-14 Thread Bill Richer

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WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Peace at any cost is a prelude to war!

*
Bork Responds to Being Bush-Whacked

'Mr. Bush's speech was by no means his first effort to distance himself from
the nasty conservatives. The week before, he seized a proposed minor tax
revision as the occasion to denounce House Republicans for trying to ‘balance
the budget on the backs of the poor,’ a patently false charge. Next, he
claimed that Republicans were too absorbed with affluence and not
sufficiently sensitive to people's needs. He gives the impression that the
backs of the poor would be safe in his administration, but that he intends to
reach the White House over the dead bodies of conservatives.  No doubt Mr.
Bush and his advisers believe themselves to be emulating the sunny,
optimistic conservatism of Ronald Reagan, but they can't carry the tune or
remember the lyrics. Mr. Reagan did sound a note of hope and of pride in
America, but he most emphatically did not go out of his way to pander to the
‘moderates’ (read, Republican liberals) by attacking conservatives. Nor did
Mr. Reagan shy away from using divisive and confrontational rhetoric, when
reality called for it, as when he labeled the Soviet Union an ‘evil empire’
or denounced ‘welfare queens.’ Mr. Reagan wore the label conservative--no
qualifications attached--proudly. ... George W. Bush may be the only chance
to hold off the even worse Al Gore and Bill Bradley, but that we are reduced
to such a choice merely shows how far we have slouched.”

- Former judge and author of “Slouching Toward Gomorrah” Robert Bork, Wall
Street Journal, 10/11/99


Bush-Whacking Could Lose GOP Congress

“Texas Gov. George W. Bush's obsession with triangulation has put House
Republicans into a corner from which there may be no escape. Indeed, if the
GOP loses control of the House next fall, it may well be because the party's
presidential front-runner and his strategists made a conscious decision this
fall to sacrifice Congress at the altar of his presidential ambition. ...
Bush shouldn't fear defections to Pat Buchanan or whoever the Reform Party
candidate is. He may not even have much to fear from his various primary
opponents, but he should be very afraid that a few million conservative
voters will decide that if he wants to be president just so he can be
president, he'll have to get the job without their help.  If that happens and
if the Democrats begin to get their act together, the young man from Austin
could turn out to be an unmitigated disaster for the party now worshipping at
his feet.”

- David Keene, The Hill, 10/13/99

***
Getting a “Lewinsky” - Take 1

“Bernie Lewinsky is mad.  Seems Bernie was watching TV the other night when a
character in the show Law  Order: Special Victims Unit referred to one
person ‘doing a Lewinsky’ on another - which was TV's clever way of saying
one person was performing oral sex on another.  Bernie wants an apology from
NBC and from Dick Wolf, producer of the series.  He says the comment held his
daughter up to ridicule and defiled his family name.  Sorry, Bernie. Your
daughter held herself up to ridicule the first time she dropped to her knees
and did a Lewinsky on the President of the United States. And you defiled
your family name when, instead of acting like a father and demanding Bill
Clinton's gonads on a platter, you gave TV interviews and talked about how
much you respected the President and thought he was doing a good job for the
country.”

- Doug Thompson, Capitol Hill Blue, 10/13/99

*
Getting a “Lewinsky” - Take 2

The father of Monica Lewinsky, Dr. Bernard Lewinsky, has taken up for his
daughter by demanding an apology from the producers of the new cop show, ‘Law
 Order: Special Victims Unit.’  It seems that in a recent episode one
character describes another as ‘getting a Lewinsky.’  We all know what that
means.  Papa Lewinsky, in a truly unfortunate turn of phrase, said he and his
daughter deserved an apology.  ‘It's not right she be dragged down to the
floor again.’  Uh, Bernie?”

- Rich Galen, “Mullings,” 10/13/99


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10.  The General's not the only one who gets a Hummer, baby!
9.  Undefeated since 1975!
8.  Be All That You Can Be -- Unless You're Gay, In Which Case Be About Six
Times Less Outgoing Than You Can Be
7.  Except for the large bleeding wounds, it's just like paintball.
6.  Be there when we take out Canada!
5.  Hey, we had cargo pants long before Old Navy.
4.  Open fire in your high school -- Media outrage and possible jail time.
Open fire in the Army -- Chest full o' medals, baby!
3.  The US Army: Who needs those Community College snobs, anyway?
2.  At least the 

[CTRL] About Livelihood

1999-10-14 Thread Jabr 333

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Listers:

I totally admit that this is off topic, but I began discussing this barely
with you on the Net as a means of survival if you are a mind control victim.
Therefore, I don't feel it is totally off cue.

IF you have been stock trading for survival -- and IF (which is likely) you
feel that the bank has been gyping you -- join my club.  There are ways to
track and trace your capital expenses and profits with an account -- and
special ways to look at it too.  At least I believe so, even with balances
upping and downing and banks claiming they can't straighten things sooner
than 3 days.  OFF the list, if you want my advise and recommendations --
these are short -- write to me privately.

Judith

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[CTRL] (Fwd) [FAIR-L] ACTION ALERT: Women Have Not Taken Over the Ne

1999-10-14 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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--- Forwarded Message Follows ---

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   Media analysis, critiques and news reports

ACTION ALERT FROM FAIR'S WOMEN'S DESK:

Women Have Not "Taken Over the News"
--TV Guide cover story should look at the numbers before they cheer
journalistic gender parity.

Oct. 12, 1999

TV Guide's Oct. 9 - 15, 1999 cover story, titled "How Women Took Over The
News," paints a pretty then-vs. -now picture of gender equity in the
newsroom, in which "Women are on every beat, in every aspect of news, as
fixtures in jobs traditionally held by men."

Way back when, TV Guide reminisces, women were "second class citizens in
TV news," subjected to age and gender discrimination, and Diane Sawyer
"got into journalism... the old-fashioned way" - by wearing "pointy bras"
and lots of hair spray. Not so anymore, TV Guide asserts, now that Sawyer
shares the news media spotlight with Katie Couric, Christine Amanpour,
Claire Shipman and other visible female journalists who are "setting the
news agenda for America."  TV Guide attributes their success to a
journalistic "revolution" that reached "critical mass in the last decade."
As proof-positive of this female victory, TV Guide tells us that ABC
nearly doubled its number of women correspondents from 1991 to 1998.

What the story doesn't give readers are the raw numbers - which disprove
this gleaming image of journalistic gender parity. According to a 16 year
longitudinal study by Joe Foote of the College of Mass Communication and
Media Arts at Southern Illinois University at Carbondale, ABC employed
only 14 women correspondents (19 percent of the total) in 1991. By 1998,
that number rose to 26 female correspondents (still making up only 39
percent of ABC's news roster).

As for the news landscape as a whole, female reporters made up only
one-third of the correspondent corps and covered only 28 percent of
stories in 1998. Sure, female journalists fare better now then they did in
the days of legally sanctioned gender discrimination - but they are still
outnumbered two-to-one by their male counterparts.

And when it comes to news women behind the camera, a 1998 Radio Television
News Directors Association/Ball State University survey found that only 20
percent of local television news directors were women. Worse still is the
issue of news ownership--a 1998 Broadcasting and Cable survey found no
women heading the Top 25 media or television groups, broadcast networks or
major cable programming companies. So much for women "setting the news
agenda for America" by taking over "every aspect of news."

TV Guide also says that the influx of powerful women in journalism has
generated a "journalism of empathy," changing the "face and focus of the
stories we care about the most." What does this mean? Sawyer explains:
"The definition of hard news is changing, and what was soft news is now
hard news - for instance, a story about day care and its effect on women's
productivity can be a lead story on the news with Peter Jennings. It's
what women in the newsroom and women at home care about more than what's
happening in Sri Lanka." TV Guide further clarifies what they consider the
"undeniable" influence of women over the news agenda: "more emphasis on
such story topics as child care, education, health and the moral aspect of
politics."

That domestic programs like child care were ever considered "soft news" is
as misguided as Sawyer's notion that women do not care about international
politics, such as what might go on in Sri Lanka. Packaging education and
health stories as "women's issues" while framing world politics as
"universal" stories is simply bad journalism. The fact is, when media
report the news as if women mattered, issues such as child care, domestic
violence, health care and poverty and are all considered "hard news." And
when media report the news as if women think, women are understood to be
equally invested in coverage of foreign affairs, economics, science and
technology.

TV Guide's upbeat conclusion is that, no longer held back by institutional
sexism, female journalists have come "a long way, baby." But when the
female audience is so shallowly perceived - and women in the news corps
still trail their male counterparts in large numbers - there's clearly
still a long way to go. The more women (and people of color) succeed in
the newsroom, the greater their perspectives can be felt in the ways the
news is written and reported - which is why we need more stories about the
necessity of increased access to every aspect of journalism, not cheery
rah-rah-rah pieces indicating that the battle for journalistic parity has
already been won.


ACTION: Think there's something wrong with TV Guide's cover story on
women's supposed journalistic coup? Tell them so. Write to Editor-in-Chief
Steven Reddicliffe at:

Editor in Chief
Letters Department
TV Guide
Radnor, PA, 19088


[CTRL] Fwd: [FSNW-L] Pakistan showdown analysed

1999-10-14 Thread Kris Millegan






Thursday 14 October 1999, London-UK (pk9910aa)

From: Parveez Syed
Shanti Communications, Global Media Monitoring Unit
One Stuart Road, Thornton Heath, Surrey CR7 8RA1 UK
Telephone: London-UK 0044-(0)7831-196693
E-Mail INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Copyright 1999 (c) Shanti Communications news agency. All rights
reserved. The following feature may not be republished or
redistributed, in whole or in part. Copying, storing, transfer,
redistribution, retransmission, publication and exploitation of
this information is hereby expressly forbidden without the prior
written consent of Shanti Communications UK. Section 326 of the
USA-FCC Communications Act; Title 17 USC Section 107; Article 19
of Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the First Amendment
US rights apply to all material, contents and ideas published and
broadcasted by Shanti Communications and Shanti RTV news agency.

Pakistan showdown analysed (editorial pk9910)
by Parveez Syed (c) Shanti Communications news

LONDON, England (SC/SRTV) Thursday 14 October 1999 - Pakistani
army led by General Pervaiz Musharraf dismissed prime minister
Nawaz Sharif to help "end ten years of chaos, confusion,
turmoil, unrest, uncertainty, and to stabilise the country". The
"stabilising, bloodless and peaceful" military coup in Pakistan
is highly unlikely produce any major changes in the country's
foreign policy, according to a Western intelligence source who
spoke to Shanti RTV news agency on condition of anonymity.

"Three months ago (Sunday 04 July 1999), US ordered Sharif to
fire Musharraf - the second military chief Sharif had forced out
in less than a year - and replace him with Sharif fan, Lt General
Khawaja Ziauddin (chief of the Inter Service Intelligence (ISI)
agency). Only last month (September 1999), Ziauddin was again
briefed by the CIA chief George Tenet, while the US State
Department publicly claimed that it "strongly" opposed any
attempt to change the government through extra-constitutional
means".

Musharraf, 56, turned down a recent 'invitation' to be briefed by
the CIA and US-UK masters. Now the masters feel rejected. They
are unhappy about Pakistan army disobeying their orders. The
masters were aware of 'behind-the-scenes turmoil, positioning
and floating of trial balloons'. They heard the rumblings and
picked up signs of trouble in discussions with Ms Benazir Bhutto
(the former prime minister) and Imran Khan (a former cricket
player turned political opposition leader in Pakistan). The
masters miscalculated. They had advance knowledge but their
orders backfired when Pakistan army daringly refused to obey
US-UK orders and rejected US-UK approved chiefs. Such US-UK
interventions based on outdated, second-rate advice based on
outdated, subvertive intelligence, and often backfire," the
Western source told Shanti RTV news agency.

The coup came within hours of Sharif's decision to fire
Musharraf. There was virtually no public protest against the
bloodless coup. "The armed forces have moved in as a last resort
to prevent any further destabilisation. I have done so with all
sincerity, loyalty and selfless devotion to the country with the
armed forces firmly behind me," Musharraf said in a brief
televised address on Wednesday 13 October 1999. "I only wish to
assure you that the situation in the country is perfectly calm,
stable and under control. Let no outside forces think that they
can take advantage of the prevailing situation. We shall
preserve the integrity and sovereignty of our country to the
last drop of our blood. I request you all to remain calm and
support your armed forces in the re-establishment of order to
pave the way for a prosperous future for Pakistan," he said in a
two-minute address to the nation broadcast on television at
around 02:50am local time. The coup, the fourth in Pakistan's
52-year history, ended a string of democratically elected
governments that have been in place since 1988. Soon after
dismissing Sharif, top aides to Musharraf visited the chief
justice of the country's supreme court to consult with him on
how to proceed legally.

Western intelligence groups often miscalculate whenever they
under-estimate or over-estimate their perceived foes and fans or
even their own capability impose and sustain despots outside the
US-UK. Musharraf, born in August 1943, joined the army in 1964.
He has a reputation as a tough, professional no-nonsense,
commando-trained, headstrong soldier with 35 years of experience
in the field. He is a veteran of two wars against India. He was
decorated for service in the 1965 war with India, is a graduate of
the Pakistani Command and Staff College at Quetta and also studied
at military institutions in Britain. He is considered a great
strategic thinker with a wide focus on things. Thanks to the 1985
Pressler Amendment, Musharraf has had less 'engagement' with the
subvertive US saboteurs, interventionists or 'influencers' than
almost any other senior army officer in Pakistan. He has a son
and a 

[CTRL] Afghanistan Human rights

1999-10-14 Thread Steve Wilson

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Van:
|   Jan-Peter Loof
|   Department of Public Law
|   Section Constitutional  Administrative Law
|   F.M. van Asbeck Centre for Human Rights Studies
|   U n i v e r s i t y   o f   L e i d e n
|   P.O. Box 9520 - 2300 RA  Leiden - The Netherlands
|   Phone: +31-(0)715277711
|   E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Datum: woensdag 6 oktober 1999 17:27
Onderwerp: Women in Afganistan


Women in Afghanistan

The government of Afghanistan is waging a war upon women. Since the
Taliban took power in 1996, women have had to wear burqua and have been
beaten and
stoned in public for not having the proper attire, even if this means simply
not having the mesh covering in front of their eyes. One woman was beaten
to DEATH by an angry mob of fundamentalists for accidentally exposing her
arm
while she was driving. Another was stoned to death for trying to leave the
country with a man that was not a relative.

Women are not allowed to work or even go out in public without a male
relative; professional women such as professors, translators, doctors,
lawyers, artists and writers have been forced from their jobs and stuffed
into their homes, so that depression is becoming so widespread that it has
reached emergency levels. There is no way in such an extreme Islamic
society to know the suicide rate with certainty, but relief Workers are
estimating
that the suicide rate among women, who cannot find proper medication and
treatment for severe depression and would rather take their lives than
live in such conditions, has increased significantly.

Homes where a woman is present must have their windows painted so that she
can never be seen by outsiders. They must wear silent shoes so that they are
never heard. Women live in fear of their lives for the slightest
misbehavior. Because they cannot work, those without male relatives or
husbands are either starving to death or begging on the street, even if
they hold Ph.D.'s.
There are almost no medical facilities available for women, and relief
workers, in protest, have mostly left the country, taking medicine and
psychologists and other things necessary to treat the sky-rocketing level
of depression among women. At one of the rare hospitals for women, a
reporter
found still, nearly lifeless bodies lying motionless on top of beds,
wrapped in their burqua, unwilling to speak, eat, or do anything, but slowly
wasting away. Others have gone mad and were seen crouched in corners,
perpetually
rocking or crying, most of them in fear. One doctor is considering, when
what little medication that is left finally runs out, leaving these women
in front of the president's residence as a form of peaceful protest. It is
at
the point where the term 'human rights violations' has become an
understatement. Husbands have the power of life and death over their women
relatives,
especially their wives, but an angry mob has just as much right to stone
or beat a woman, often to death, for exposing an inch of flesh or offending
them in the slightest way. Women enjoyed relative freedom, to work, dress
generally as they wanted, and drive and appear in public alone until only
1996. The rapidity of this transition is the main reason for the
depression and suicide; women who were once educators or doctors or simply
used to
basic human freedoms are now severely restricted and treated as sub-human
in the name of right-wing fundamentalist Islam. It is not their tradition or
'culture', but is alien to them, and it is extreme even for those cultures
where fundamentalism is the rule.
Everyone has a right to a tolerable human existence, even if they are women
in a Muslim country. If we can threaten military force in Kosovo in the
name of human rights for the sake of ethnic Albanians, citizens of the world
can
certainly express peaceful outrage at the oppression, murder and injustice
committed against women by the Taliban.

STATEMENT:
In signing this, we agree that the current treatment of women in
Afghanistan is completely UNACCEPTABLE and deserves support and action by
the United
Nations and that the current situation overseas will not be tolerated.
Women's Rights is not a small issue anywhere and it is UNACCEPTABLE for
women in 1999 to be treated as sub-human and so much as property.

Equality and human decency is a RIGHT not a freedom, whether one lives in
Afghanistan
or elsewhere.

1) Suzanne Dathe, Grenoble, France
2) Laurence COMPARAT, Grenoble,France
3) Philippe MOTTE, Grenoble, France
4) Jok FERRAND, Mont St Martin, France
5) Emmanuelle PIGNOL, St Martin d'Heres, FRANCE
6) Marie GAUTHIER, Grenoble, FRANCE
7) Laurent VESCALO, Grenoble,FRANCE
8) Mathieu MOY, St Egreve, FRANCE
9) Bernard BLANCHET, Mont St Martin, FRANCE
10) Tassadite FAVRIE, Grenoble, FRANCE
11) Loic GODARD, St Ismier, FRANCE
12) Benedicte PASCAL, Grenoble, FRANCE
13) Khedaidja BENATIA, Grenoble, FRANCE
14) Marie-Therese LLORET, Grenoble,FRANCE
15) Benoit THEAU, Poitiers, FRANCE
16) Bruno CONSTANTIN, Poitiers, 

[CTRL] Is WWIII Imminent?

1999-10-14 Thread William Shannon

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This article appeared in the August 20, 1999 issue of Executive Intelligence
Review.

Is World War III coming?
by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.
Democratic Presidential pre-candidate Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. issued the
following statement on Aug. 11.

Among those who are paying attention to reality, one of the two big questions
of the day is, "Is Nuclear World War III Now Inevitable?" My answer is, that
I believe it is not inevitable; but, the danger is serious enough that
serious people will ask themselves that question.

The drive toward a nuclear world war comes from the British monarchy, as the
policies of the current Prime Minister and 1931 Ramsay MacDonald look-alike
Tony Blair typify this impulse. However, although the British monarchy is by
far the world's dominant financial power, and also the world's presently
leading political power, the thrust for war depends upon that monarchy's
ability to push the world's leading military power, the U.S.A., into adopting
London's current geopolitical adventurism.

It is from this standpoint, that we must understand the significance of
madman Zbigniew Brzezinski's current policies, which are more or less
identical to those of Brzezinski crony and U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine
Albright. For maniacs such as Blair, Brzezinski, and Albright, the
orchestration of the recent war against Yugoslavia was only the prelude to a
nuclear confrontation with Russia, in Transcaucasia and Central Asia more
widely. Blair, Brzezinski, Albright et al., are depending upon their belief
that this drive toward a nuclear confrontation with Russia is a strategic
bluff, to which they are confident that Russia will back down. London's
attempt to orchestrate a nuclear attack on India, by London-controlled assets
in the Pakistan military, is part of the same post-Balkan-War thrust. There,
in brief, lies the risk of an actual nuclear World War III.

What these nuclear maniacs, such as Blair, Brzezinski, and Albright, assume,
is that Russia could not win such a war. They have asked themselves the wrong
question. Perhaps Russia has no hope of winning such a war; but, perhaps the
U.S.A. has no hope of winning it, either. Even if the U.S.A. might appear to
secure a victory in such a showdown, just as the famous King Pyrrhus defeated
the Romans in one battle, perhaps the U.S.A. would not long outlive the end
of such a military confrontation.

Go back to 1905, where we may find a comparable case. Recall the discussions
between the two cousins, Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany and Czar Nicholas of
Russia, discussing the need to spoil their uncle's, King Edward VII's, clear
intent to push them into war against one another. When the two cousins failed
to prevent the British from manipulating them into war against one another,
the result was that both lost the war, and the Czar lost more than that.

The British monarchy's use of its assets in Turkey, to orchestrate a
post-Balkans spread of warfare throughout Transcaucasia, and into Central
Asia beyond that, has already erupted into open warfare in the north
Caucusus, and threatens to pull fools in NATO into military deployments
against Russia, in both Transcaucasia and in Central Asia. This would
constitute a threat to the very continued existence of a Russia which is
still a thermonuclear power. Russia's warfare capability would then go on
alert status.

When one presents a chosen adversary with an absolutely hopeless situation,
that adversary may find itself impelled to strike back in absolute
desperation. As every qualified military professional since Machiavelli
knows, what NATO is implicitly threatening to do, creates precisely the kind
of military situation, in which the unthinkable may become the inevitable.
When the fires of hatred are stoked to the highest possible degree in the
passions of the intended military victim, all ordinary strategic and
diplomatic calculations, especially the calculations of madly desperate fools
such as Blair, Brzezinski, and Albright, are no longer controlling. There
lies the short-term risk of an actual, early outbreak of nuclear war-fighting.

Now, look at another crucial element of the same strategic equation: the
current world economic situation.

It is an open, repeatedly verified fact, that, since 1989, the U.S.A. and
NATO as a whole, have lost the ability to conduct regular warfare. The chief
reason is economic. As in "Desert Storm," and as is shown in the resumed war
on Iraq, and the recent war against Yugoslavia, NATO is not capable of
fighting war to win with military force on the ground. The very adoption of
the lunacy of "Air-Land Battle 2000" by the U.S.A. attests less to what the
U.S. military forces can do, than what they have lost the capability of doing.

In the war against Yugoslavia, NATO did not fight war; indeed, both NATO and
the President of the U.S.A. insisted, that this was a punishment expedition,
not an actual war. What NATO's bombing attacks did, was to destroy the
economy of 

[CTRL] Fw: AANEWS for Thursday, October 14, 1999

1999-10-14 Thread CobolMage

 -Caveat Lector-

from: AMERICAN ATHEISTS
subject: AANEWS  for October 14, 1999

   A M E R I C A N   A T H E I S T S
#653 ~~~ 10/14/99
 http://www.atheists.org
  ftp.atheists.org/pub/atheists/
 http://www.americanatheist.org

---
  A Service of AMERICAN ATHEISTS
"Leading The Way For Atheist Civil Rights
 And The Separation Of State and Church"
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   In This Issue...
   * Appeal likely in baseball discrimination case
   * Dumb and dumber; churches defeat Alabama lottery
   * Kansas evolution debate; groups carry out "scientific blockade"
   * Resources
   * About this list...

   APPEAL LIKELY IN SILVERMAN CASE AFTER JUDGE RULES
  IN FAVOR OF CHURCH PROMOTION NIGHT

Attorneys for Carl Silverman say they will appeal their case despite
an administrative court ruling that found the Hagerstown Suns baseball
team did not discriminate by holding a "church bulletin night"
promotion.

In a decision made public this past Tuesday, Administrative Law Judge
Georgia Brady opined: "I conclude that Maryland's public accommodation
law, unlike that of many other jurisdictions, prohibits only the
discriminatory application of a promotion.  In the absence of a
discriminatory effect, the promotion is not per se illegal."

In April, 1998 Silverman took his family to see a game featuring the
Hagerstown (Maryland) Suns team, a Class A affiliate of the Toronto
Blue Jays.  The team was sponsoring a special discount for anyone
carrying a church newsletter or bulletin.  Silverman, a
self-proclaimed agnostic, informed the ticket clerk that he was "not
religious," and was told that without a church newsletter, he would
have to pay the full price of admission.

Silverman filed a complaint with the Maryland Commission on Human
Relations arguing that the Hagerstown Suns were a "public
accommodation," and had discriminated on the basis of religious
belief.  After conducting an investigation, the Com' management
refused to settle the case out of court for a token fine and end to
the church bulletin promotion, and the Commission then issued a
Statement of Charges on March 3, 1999.

The case was argued in June and July of this year before Judge Brady.

The complaint quickly became another skirmish in the volatile culture
war over the display and role of faith in the public square.
Religious groups including the Rutherford Institute and Pat
Robertson's American Center for Law and Justice lined up to support
the Hagerstown Suns.  "Faith-based" discount programs were expanded,
and a portion of gate receipts were used for the team's legal defense.

  Decision Raises Questions, Ducks Issue

The 35-page finding of the Administrative Court obtained by AANEWS,
though, suggests that while both sides agreed on many of the facts of
the case, there are significant differences in the accounts of what
happened when Silverman and his family ventured to the Suns' game and
approached the ticket booth on April 12, 1998 -- coincidentally, the
Christian religious holiday known as Easter Sunday.

* The judge wrote that she agreed "that the facile terms of the
promotion call for an individual to present a bulletin obtained from a
Christian house of worship," and that "obtaining or producing a church
bulletin is an act which makes a statement about an individual's
religious believes.  Accordingly, the promotion, which requires
production of a religious-oriented documented, distinguishes on its
face between persons because of their creed."  Even so, Brady noted
that this "does not make the promotion illegal under Maryland's public
accommodation law, in the absence of evidence that it has been applied
'to deny, refuse, or withhold from' that person any advantage or
privilege of the public accommodation...'"

* Mr. Silverman was aware of the church bulletin promotion, and had
intended to test the issue.  Silverman complained that when the ticket
seller for the Suns informed him that he needed a church bulletin to
qualify for the admission discount, he (Silverman) said that not being
a religious person, he could not produce said bulletin.  Silverman
then said that the ticket seller contacted the team manager, David
Blenckstone, who informed Carl that "there would be no discount
without the bulletin."

An individual identified as "Rico," however, said that he was the
ticket seller in question; he claimed that when confronted by
Silverman, he "followed his routine of simply pulling out an extra
(church) bulletin and telling the Complainant that he would give him
the discount anyway."

Rebutting the testimony of "Rico," Silverman identified two ticket
sellers, Kim and Sarah, to whom he had paid his full price admission.
Judge Brady suggested: "I assume that the intent of this line of
testimony was to convince me that the Complainant had never dealt with
any 

[CTRL] Fw: AANEWS for Tuesday, October 12, 1999

1999-10-14 Thread CobolMage

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from: AMERICAN ATHEISTS
subject: AANEWS  for October 12, 1999

   A M E R I C A N   A T H E I S T S
#652 ~~~ 10/12/99
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---
  A Service of AMERICAN ATHEISTS
"Leading The Way For Atheist Civil Rights
 And The Separation Of State and Church"
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   In This Issue...
   * Silverman loses: ball team discrimination to continue?
   * Court refuses state-church separation cases
   * Bible Week practice upheld
   * Union County Atheists meeting
   * Israel deports more Christian cultists
   * Resources
   * About this list...

 SILVERMAN LOSES DISCRIMINATION CASE

A Pennsylvania freethinker who complained that he was a victim of
discrimination when he tried to attend a minor league baseball game
during a "church bulletin" promotion night has reportedly lost his
case.

Carl Silverman took his family to a Hagerstown (Maryland) Suns game in
April, 1998.  That evening, the club was sponsoring a special discount
rate for those carrying a church bulletin.  Silverman informed the
ticket clerk that he was not religious and did not have a bulletin.
He was told that he would then have to pay the full price of
admission.

Silverman filed a "Charge of Discrimination" complaint with the
Maryland Commission on Human Relations.  The Commission attempted to
settle the dispute out of court, but team management remained firm and
even continued the practice.  In addition, the Suns soon began
sporting a "halo" insignia on their uniforms.  On June 12, 1998, the
Commission issued a "Cease and Desist" order and in late July ruled
that there existed "probable cause" for a charge of discrimination.
The Suns responded by launching a "Faith Community Night," and
announced that a portion of receipts would be used for legal defense
of its case.

A hearing was held in July, 1999 before Administrative Law Judge
Georgia Brady.  Silverman asked that the six-year old promotion cease,
and argued that the team is a "public accommodation" and thus subject
to state and federal anti-discrimination statutes.  Mr. Silverman had
few details about the ruling, and said only that his lawyers had been
informed today of the Administrative Court's decision.

For more information:
http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/bball6.htm

   **

   HIGH COURT REFUSES FIRST AMENDMENT CASES

The U.S.  Supreme Court today let stand lower court decisions, and
refused to hear several important First Amendment cases including a
dispute involving Maine's voucher system.  As a result, there is
little clarification regarding the separation of church and state over
the question of public aid to religious schools, and no new legal
precedent was set.

Justices refused to hear an appeal in a case barring the state of
Pennsylvania from exempting religious publications from sales tax.
That let stand a decision in the case of Pittsburgh publisher Felice
Newman and Steven Zupcic.  In 1993, Zupcic purchased several books at
a local store and noticed that the Muslim Koran and the Jewish
Haggadah were taxed, but the Bible was not.  Four years later, a
Commonwealth Court ruled that the state acted improperly in making
some religious publications tax-exempt while placing a levy other
writings.  Justice Sandra Newman wrote that the practice displayed "a
preference for communication of religious messages."  Pennsylvania
Gov.  Tom Ridge decided to launch an appeal.

The high court also rejected an appeal in a case involving a voucher
program in Maine that provides funds for parents wishing to send their
children to attend private schools, but would not cover tuition
expenses for private religious institutions.  Parents of
religious-school students said that the practice violated their rights
by refusing them equal financial help given to those parents whose
children attend private, nonsectarian schools.  The Maine Supreme
Judicial Court and the 1st U.S.  Circuit Court of Appeals both upheld
the state policy, and those decisions stay intact as a result of
today's move.

Another case turned down by the Supreme Court involved a special
Jewish public school district set up by the state of New York to serve
disabled children.  Justices split 6-3 in rejected the case, with
Justices O'Connor, Scalia and Thomas in favor of hearing arguments.
In 1989, the New York legislature created the Kiryas Joel school
district after local residents withdrew their disabled youngsters from
the public school system.  In 1994, the high court ruled that the
state had illegally given special treatment to a particular religious
sect.  Two more efforts by the legislator to create the special
religious district were also struck down.  In 

[CTRL] [Fwd: Ritual Killing of the Divine King - Part I]

1999-10-14 Thread Nicola Molloy

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 Original Message 
Subject: Ritual Killing of the Divine King - Part I
   Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:58:56 -0400
   From: "Timothy Aho" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: "Watch Unto Prayer" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: The Watchmen
From: Watch Unto Prayer
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Website: http://watch.pair.com/pray.html
Date: October 14, 1999 RITUAL KILLING OF THE DIVINE KING - PART I The
latest clue in the assassination mystery unraveled by Barry Chamish's
online book, Who Murdered Yitzhak Rabin, links it to the modern Knights
Templars.  This is no surprise to those who are aware of the designs
which the modern Freemasons have on the Holy Land, i.e., to seize the
Temple Mount and remake Jerusalem a Masonic city from which they intend
to rule the world.  To appreciate the enormity of the dominionist
ambition and influence of modern Freemasonry, you will want to read
Barry's update on the Rabin assassination.  It seems that the coroner
who presided over Yitzhak Rabin's autopsy also conducted another autopsy
on one Alisdair Rosslyn Sinclair -- a blue blood Knight Templar who
would have been a front runner in the Merovingian campaign for election
as the King of Jerusalem.
  YITZHAK RABIN
  A.RABIN'S LAST DOCTOR by Barry Chamish

We now enter the realm of the truly bizarre as we look at the doctor
who
last examined Yitzhak Rabin, the State Pathologist, Dr. Yehuda Hiss.
Israelis know too well that their government's coroner is corrupt. In
September 1999, Judge Ruth Orr overturned a conviction against a Jewish
resident of Judea and Samaria for the shooting murder of an Arab boy
because
she accused Dr. Hiss of forging the forensic evidence against him. It
was
the second time in a year that a murder conviction was overturned
because
Hiss had falsified an autopsy for political purposes. He had earlier
been
caught doctoring the facts to secure a wrongful rap against the parents
of a
murdered child.
His biggest fabrication of all occurred after the country's most
ghastly
scandal was proven. In the first decade of Israel's existence, the Labor

government kidnapped over 4500 babies, mostly of new Yemenite immigrant
parents, and sold them off for adoption and medical experiments, mostly
abroad. Through the efforts of Yemenite groups fighting to expose this
crime, three years ago one mother, Margalit Omeisse was reunited with
her
daughter Celia Levine, given up for adoption to a California couple
almost
half a century before. Besides looking like twins, the Hebrew University

genetics laboratory proved they were mother and daughter by DNA testing.
Dr.
Hiss retested the two for the government and lo and behold, found that
Hebrew University was wrong.
And that's why his nickname in certain circles is Dr. Coverup.
People started calling him that about a year after the Rabin
assassination. He conducted a partial autopsy of Rabin and concluded he
was
shot twice in the back from medium range. In 1996, Rabin's hospital
records
were uncovered and over ten doctors and nurses signed very different
accounts of Rabin's demise. He was actually shot three times, twice from

point blank range and once frontally in the upper chest. On top of that,

Rabin's spine was shattered and Hiss categorically reported that it
wasn't.
Because the patsy Yigal Amir never shot from point blank range or from
the
front, and because the assassination film proved Rabin's spine could not

have been broken since he kept right on walking after the shot to his
back,
somebody must have asked Hiss to alter the medical facts. So he did and
then
the government's commission of inquiry into the murder adopted Hiss's
lies
as the official version of Rabin's death.
So we knew that Hiss was corrupt and that he molded his reports to
fit
government orders. What we didn't know was that he is also genuinely
ghoulish. Avi and Nitzana (Darshan) Leitner are Yigal Amir's attorneys.
They
also represent another victim of Dr. Hiss, the family of Alisdair
Sinclair.
On April 14, 1998, 47 year old Alisdair Sinclair, was stopped by
customs
officials at Ben Gurion Airport on his way out of the country after a
six
day stay. They found 9000 Deutsche marks in a false bottom of his
handbag
and he was arrested without charge. The police thought the false bottom
suggested something illegal though hiding a large amount of money is a
legitimate means of thwarting theft.
At the airport police station, Sinclair was found strangling on his
shoelaces. He was rushed to hospital and pronounced dead. From there his

body was transferred to the Abu Kabir Institute For Forensic Medicine
and
straight into the paws of Dr. Yehuda Hiss, who conducted an autopsy
which
concluded that Sinclair had killed himself.
After that, there was a problem with the body. Sinclair was
unmarried,
his parents weren't alive and he had been living a rather rootless life
in
Amsterdam dealing in vintage guitars and strumming them at local 

Re: [CTRL] GOP News Views - October 14, 1999

1999-10-14 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 10/14/1999 7:35:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 Bernie Lewinsky is mad.  Seems Bernie was watching TV the other night when
a
 character in the show Law  Order: Special Victims Unit referred to one
 person doing a Lewinsky on another - which was TV's clever way of saying
 one person was performing oral sex on another.  Bernie wants an apology from
 NBC and from Dick Wolf, producer of the series.  He says the comment held his
 daughter up to ridicule and defiled his family name.  Sorry, Bernie. Your
 daughter held herself up to ridicule the first time she dropped to her knees
 and did a Lewinsky on the President of the United States. And you defiled
 your family name when, instead of acting like a father and demanding Bill
 Clinton's gonads on a platter, you gave TV interviews and talked about how
 much you respected the President and thought he was doing a good job for the
 country.

 - Doug Thompson, Capitol Hill Blue, 10/13/99 

Yes, and Mr. Lewinsky should take a course in parenting somewhere.  Raising a
daughter with the strange behavior exhibited by Monica indicates that indeed
an apology is indicated, but it should come from Mr. Lewinsky who apparently
never noticed his child's strange behavior (which started long before she got
to the White House).  Even if he just apologizes to Monica for his obvious
neglect, it should be a help.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #2

1999-10-14 Thread Ric Carter

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- Original Message -
From: Tatman, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 : Is Irish Coffee your preferred medication?

 Now, at the time I discovered Irish coffee, I was still, alas, a
 registered Republican. Shortly thereafter I looked at my voter
 registration card, gagged, and promptly re-registered as a Democrat.
 After looking at the current crop of candidates from all parties,
 both major and minor, I am about to abandon the political spectrum
 and re-register as a Non-Euclidean.

A wise move.  I was once a registered Platypus.  Our candidate for
mayor of San Francisco, Tony Serra [the 'dope' lawyer portrayed by
James Woods in some late '80s film] proposed financing The City by
legalizing drugs and holding continuous rock concerts on Alcatraz.
Alas, he was beaten by Geo. Moscone IIRC who was later assassinated
[along with Sup. Harvey Milk] by Dan "Twinkie Defence" White, giving
the world Lady DiFi [Sen. Diane Feinstein].  But I digress..

 As the doctor told me when I asked him if I was crazy, "One of us
 is, my boy, one of us is..."

Any consensus?

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[CTRL] Lorem Ipsum Dolor.

1999-10-14 Thread Ric Carter

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Lorem Ipsum Dolor.

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetaur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod
tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam,
quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo
consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse
cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat
non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum
Et harumd und lookum like Greek to me, dereud facilis est er expedit
distinct. Nam liber te conscient to factor tum poen legum odioque civiuda.
Et tam neque pecun modut est neque nonor et imper ned libidig met,
consectetur adipiscing elit, sed ut labore et dolore magna aliquam makes one
wonder who would ever read this stuff? Bis nostrud exercitation ullam mmodo
consequet. Duis aute in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla
pariatur. At vver eos et accusam dignissum qui blandit est praesent luptatum
delenit aigue excepteur sint occae. Et harumd dereud facilis est er expedit
distinct. Nam libe soluta nobis eligent optio est congue nihil impedit
doming id Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, set
eiusmod tempor incidunt et labore et dolore magna aliquam. Ut enim ad minim
veniam, quis nostrud exerc. Irure dolor in reprehend incididunt ut labore et
dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation
ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure
dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse molestaie cillum. Tia non ob
ea soluad incommod quae egen ium improb fugiend. Officia deserunt mollit
anim id est laborum Et harumd dereud facilis est er expedit distinct. Nam
liber te conscient to factor tum poen legum odioque civiuda et tam. Neque
pecun modut est neque nonor et imper ned libidig met, consectetur adipiscing
elit, sed ut labore et dolore magna aliquam is nostrud exercitation ullam
mmodo consequet. Duis aute in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat
nulla pariatur. At vver eos et accusam dignissum qui blandit est praesent.
Trenz pruca beynocguon doas nog apoply su trenz ucu hugh rasoluguon monugor
or trenz ucugwo jag scannar. Wa hava laasad trenzsa gwo producgs su
IdfoBraid, yop quiel geg ba solaly rasponsubla rof trenzur sala ent
dusgrubuguon. Offoctivo immoriatoly, hawrgasi pwicos asi sirucor.Thas
sirutciun applios tyu thuso itoms ghuso pwicos gosi sirucor in mixent gosi
sirucor ic mixent ples cak ontisi sowios uf Zerm hawr rwivos. Unte af phen
neige pheings atoot Prexs eis phat eit sakem eit vory gast te Plok peish ba
useing phen roxas. Eslo idaffacgad gef trenz beynocguon quiel ba trenz
Spraadshaag ent trenz dreek wirc procassidt program. Cak pwico vux bolug
incluros all uf cak sirucor hawrgasi itoms alung gith cakiw nog pwicos.
Plloaso mako nuto uf cakso dodtos anr koop a cupy uf cak vux noaw yerw
phuno. Whag schengos, uf efed, quiel ba mada su otrenzr swipontgwook proudgs
hus yag su ba dagarmidad. Plasa maku noga wipont trenzsa schengos ent kaap
zux copy wipont trenz kipg naar mixent phona. Cak pwico siructiun ruos nust
apoply tyu cak UCU sisulutiun munityuw uw cak UCU-TGU jot scannow. Trens
roxas eis ti Plokeing quert loppe eis yop prexs. Piy opher hawers, eit
yaggles orn ti sumbloat alohe plok. Su havo loasor cakso tgu pwuructs tyu
InfuBwain, ghu gill nug bo suloly sispunsiblo fuw cakiw salo anr
ristwibutiun. Hei muk neme eis loppe. Treas em wankeing ont sime ploked
peish rof phen sumbloat syug si phat phey gavet peish ta paat ein pheeir
sumbloats. Aslu unaffoctor gef cak siructiun gill bo cak spiarshoot anet cak
GurGanglo gur pwucossing pwutwam. Ghat dodtos, ig pany, gill bo maro tyu
ucakw suftgasi pwuructs hod yot tyubo rotowminor. Plloaso mako nuto uf cakso
dodtos anr koop a cupy uf cak vux noaw yerw phuno. Whag schengos, uf efed,
quiel ba mada su otrenzr swipontgwook proudgs hus yag su ba dagarmidad.
Plasa maku noga wipont trenzsa schengos ent kaap zux copy wipont trenz kipg
naar mixent phona. Cak pwico siructiun ruos nust apoply tyu cak UCU
sisulutiun munityuw uw cak UCU-TGU jot scannow. Trens roxas eis ti Plokeing
quert loppe eis yop prexs. Piy opher hawers, eit yaggles orn ti sumbloat
alohe plok. Su havo loasor cakso tgu pwuructs tyu.

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Re: [CTRL] [prj] HOW TO DEFEAT STATISM

1999-10-14 Thread piper

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Joe Feck wrote:

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 In a message dated 10/14/99 5:01:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Statism is the doctrine that maintains that your life, money and
   property
are not yours.  It is the idea that you may only take those actions
permitted by the state, that you may be forced to surrender your money
   to
the state or forbidden to spend it as you please, that you may not use
   and
dispose of your property as you see fit.

 everything previously prohibited is now mandatory!


Zero Population*- Safe kids (cloned)
*- Safe Parents (crèche)
*- Safe Education (virtual reality)
*- Safe Sex (virtual reality) - Look Ma no hand or SD's
- They have finally found a way to tax sex! -
Why*
** Do **
*** I ***
** Not **
* Feel *

SAFE ???

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Take out the Hapsburgs for control
then when space was found / understood
They want all travelers to be female for control through reproduction.
bacteria will not allow it.
http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/major.htm

absolute control
corrupts absolutely

--
Any person can stand adversity,
The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will
be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
Indira Gandhi

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[CTRL] NASA FILM SHOWS UFOs

1999-10-14 Thread earthman

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October 14, 1999,   [EMAIL PROTECTED]  (609) 654-0020
Visit our Web Site at www.filersfiles.com.

NASA FILM SHOWS UFOs

CAPE KENNEDY - A recent visitor to the Space Center attended the IMAX
theater
movie being shown to the public.  One scene shows the US Space Shuttle near
the Russian MIR space station.  The NASA footage shows three disc shaped
UFOs
approaching MIR.  Two UFOs fly slowly past and the third UFO stops and
appears to observe the space station.  The UFOs do not appear to be ice
crystals.  They appear to be space ships that either belong to a nation of
this Earth or from some where else in the universe.  Editors Note:  Can
anyone else confirm seeing UFOs in this film?  NASA Administrator Daniel S.
Goldin may be trying to let the public know there is something else out
there
so the public will help prevent Congress from cutting NASA's budget again.
Astronaut Eugene Cernan was commander of Apollo 17.  In a Los Angeles Times
article in 1973, he stated, "I've been asked (about UFOs) and I've said
publicly I thought they (UFOs) were somebody else, some other civilization."



WRIGHT PATTERSON AIR FORCE BASE -- See URL below for images and drawings
used
to support the "Underground Vault" theory at Wright-Patterson AFB:.  This
web
site has interesting engineering plans of the various buildings on base.
These images and drawings are supportive data and there are no explicative
texts http://home.sprintmail.com/~rigoletto/wrightpatterson/

U.S. GOVERNMENT UFO PROOF RELEASED: Audio tapes of a genuine UFO Alert at
Edwards Air Force base and studied by the Foreign Technology Division at
Wright Patterson Air Force Base, are now available for distribution to the
public.  Lunar Astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell was at Edwards the night the UFO
chase occurred.  The 6th person to walk on the moon said, "The night it
happened I investigated it myself and this was a real event."  Sam Sherman's
audio documentary tape called THE EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE ENCOUNTER on the
night of October 7, 1965, uses the actual voice recordings provided by the
Air Force.  During this event 12 high tech luminous UFOs invade secure air
space and came down low over the runways at Edwards AFB.  Tower operator
Sgt.
Chuck Sorrels spotted them and notified the Air Defense Command.  Sgt.
Sorrels is heard on the original tapes and in a new segment where he
verifies
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and a decision is made to launch F-106 fighter interceptors.  You are there
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[CTRL] Ralph Nader Public Citizen: WTO is weakening health laws

1999-10-14 Thread Dave

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Dave Hartley
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http://www.ioa.com/~davehart



Wednesday, October 13, 1999


By MICHAEL PAULSON Mail Author
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT


WASHINGTON -- Detailing criticisms likely to form the basis for much of
the protest in Seattle next month, Ralph Nader today is releasing a
study of the World Trade Organization alleging that the WTO is
undermining environmental and public health laws around the world.


But the critique is being disputed by the Clinton administration and
business officials, who say Nader is misportraying a variety of actions
taken by the WTO.


The book-length report, published by a consumer group Nader founded
called Public Citizen, claims that, since its founding five years ago,
the WTO has decided against every public health, safety and
environmental regulation it has considered.


The book claims that the WTO has usurped the right of nations to
determine their own environmental, health and labor laws, and calls the
WTO "a slow-motion coup d'etat over democratic governance worldwide."


"In approving the far-reaching, powerful World Trade Organization and
other international trade agreements . . . the U.S. Congress, like those
of other nations, has ceded much of its capacity to independently
advance health and safety standards that protect citizens . . .," Nader
wrote in a preface to the book. "Under this new system, many decisions
affecting people's daily lives are being shifted away from our local and
national governments and instead are being made by a group of unelected
trade bureaucrats sitting behind closed doors in Geneva, Switzerland."


The criticism was immediately rejected by the Clinton administration and
business groups that have argued that the U.S. economy and work force
have benefited from the nation's membership in the WTO, and that the
rules-based trading that the WTO represents opens new markets for U.S.
exports. President Clinton plans to make a speech tonight outlining his
objectives for the WTO meeting.


"Nothing has been ceded," said Dianne Sullivan, director of trade policy
for the National Association of Manufacturers and a key adviser to a
pro-WTO business coalition, U.S. Alliance for Trade Expansion. "There
isn't any WTO case that has said anything to the contrary. It's just
that we have to apply all laws equally to domestic companies and foreign
companies."


A senior U.S. trade official, who asked not to be identified, said that
the United States has not compromised any of its environmental or other
values even when it has had to change regulations to comply with WTO
rulings.


"The (WTO) appellate body has gone out of its way to recognize and
acknowledge the legitimacy of environmental objectives," the official
said. "We can disagree with the appellate body on whether our measures
were being implemented in a discriminatory way, but we're quite able to
comply and correct perceived discrimination in a way that meets our
environmental objectives."


Nader brings to the WTO debate some credibility, as well as controversy,
as the country's best-known consumer advocate. Nader became famous for
challenging automobile industry safety practices in the mid-1960s. When
he criticized Microsoft's practices in 1997, the company went out of its
way to praise him even as it disagreed with his complaints.


Nader argues that the WTO, because of its emphasis on fostering
barrier-free trade, inevitably views national labor, environmental and
public health laws as trade barriers. And he argues that the
organization is unusually secretive.


His complaints are not new, but the Public Citizen book represents the
most comprehensive effort to date by WTO critics to spell out the
reasons for their concerns. Critics have been promising widespread
protest in Seattle when the world's trade ministers gather for a WTO
meeting starting Nov. 30.


The book argues that the United States already has weakened laws
protecting endangered sea turtles and dolphins and has weakened domestic
clean air regulations to comply with edicts of the WTO.


The U.S. trade official said those cases are being misconstrued by the
WTO critics.


Specifically, Citizen Action claims that, "the U.S. relaxed standards
designed to limit gasoline contaminants after Venezuela won a WTO
challenge." According to the trade official, the United States did have
to revise regulations that were being applied differently to foreign oil
companies than to domestic companies, but clean air standards were not
relaxed.



For more information:


Public Citizen: www.citizen.org


U.S. Trade Representative: www.ustr.gov


U.S. Alliance for Trade Expansion: www.us-trade.org


  _


P-I reporter Michael Paulson can be reached at 202-943-9229 or
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




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Re: [CTRL] NASA FILM SHOWS UFOs

1999-10-14 Thread ASu2431426

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We went over the tape repeatedly because we owe it to our subscribers to
present the most accurate truthful information available

The tape raises a hundred questions.  I would call it genuine..

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[CTRL] The Illuminati Millennium Rituals

1999-10-14 Thread earthman

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THE ILLUMINATI RITUALS
  ON THE FALSE MILLENNIUM
  AND COMING AGE OF LIGHT
   by David Icke

  October 11, 1999

 There are many things to know about the Millennium to understand
 what is really going on. Firstly it is only happening at this
 point because of the Gregorian calendar - introduced by the
 Illuminati via the Vatican in October, 1582.

 It is a ridiculous measurement of what we call "time" with it's 31
 day months, 30 day months, and 28 days..29 every four years. It is
 like throwing all of your clothes in a wardrobe and pressing your
 bum against the door to bang it shut. Everything is in there, but
 it's a bloody mess. So it is with the Gregorian calendar.

 But, then, it is not there to efficiently measure "time", it was
 created to hit key solar cycles and astrological sequences which
 the Illuminati-reptilians planned to use to advance their agenda.
 The Millennium is a classic example of this. The Illuminati have
 always focused on the power of the Sun. After all the Sun is 99%
 of the mass of the solar system - it IS the solar system. When it
 changes, we change.

 They know the effect on human thought and emotions when, for
 instance, the Sun cycles reach their peak and massively powerful
 solar energy is projected at the Earth. At it's most powerful it
 has taken out computer and power systems.

 SO:

 What a coincidence that the Illuminati-created Gregorian calendar
 should be orchestrated to hit the peak of a massive Sun cycle
 PRECISELY at the point of the false millennium - January 2000.
 This has been done for a specific reason - more than one - and
 that includes the way this powerful solar energy will prime human
 consciousness to be more likely to react to events in the desired
 fashion.

 In January 1997 there were 19 significant emissions of energy; Sun
 spot activity; which affected the Earth field. This cycle has been
 climbing ever since and will hit it's peak at the Millennium and
 the immediate months afterwards with 160 solar "strikes" on the
 Earth.

 I have been talking about this for more than a year and included
 this information in The Biggest Secret where you will find the
 relevant solar chart. Only a few months ago the American
 Astronomical Association issued a press release at its Chicago
 conference warning that the world was threatened with
 technological disruption at the Millennium because of this cycle.
 Y2K is not the only source of malfunction, they said. The
 fantastic energy bombardment from the Sun at that time, they
 warned, could mislead satellites into believing they were being
 given instructions that were not, in fact, being given..

 The whole scenario was planned centuries ago because the
 reptilians, operating from the lower fourth dimension, and indeed
 whatever force controls them, have a very different version of
 "time" than we have, hence they can see and plan down the
 three-dimensional "time"-line in a way that those in
 three-dimensional form cannot.

 You not be surprised to learn, therefore, that an enormous network
 of Illuminati rituals are planned all over the world at the turn
 of the Millennium, especially at the Giza pyramids in Egypt where
 a stream of Illuminati names will attend, including George Bush.
 The musician, Jean-Michel Jarre, has been paid a fortune to create
 a musical and lights extravaganza at Giza called, wait for it; the
 Twelve Dreams of the Sun.

 Jarre told a news conference that his special effects will give
 the illusion that the pyramids are doors through which the Sun
 passes. "The Sun, symbol of Egypt and time, seemed to me to be the
 best analogy to celebrate the new millennium" he said. Yes, it all
 came from your own creative mind, Jean-Michel, me old darling,
 I'll believe you. The fact that the millennium is the peak of a
 Sun cycle; the Illuminati created this false millennium with the
 Gregorian calender; and they follow the Sun cycles to the finest
 detail, is purely coincidental. Sure it is..

 The Giza ritual, which will cost some $9.5 million, will attract
 50,000 people, it is estimated, and will be broadcast to 60
 countries.The centre of the ritual will be a golden capstone
 placed on top of the Great Pyramid which will emit golden light.
 They are not putting this in our face are they? This, of course,
 relates to the Illuminati symbolism which spans the ages of the
 pyramid with the capstone missing; the very symbol you find on the
 dollar bill. The pyramid and all seeing eye - the shining capstone
 and eye which represents the force which controls the world.


 

[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] A Mission for the List

1999-10-14 Thread Kris Millegan








OK List 
- Here's a Chance to stop debating the past for bit and to actually change the 
future. Anybody interested?

Dan 
Hopsicker and I are working on a very big story which will print in the next 
issue of From The Wilderness. It is a major evolutionary step from where we 
started on the alleged George W drug sting three months ago. The 
story is about what I will call The Smoking Airplane and why an 
airplane once owned by Barry Seal is now owned by the State of Texas. 


The 
full story will run in the october issue of from The Wilderness which will mail 
on October 28. I can't tell you the whole thing because it isn't written yet. 
And it is big. Completion of one particluar mission might take W out 
of the race - if it's true. We need your help.

Here 
are the known items:

1. 
Gantt Aviation of Georgetown, Texas - outside of Dallas which sold the plane in 
question to the State in 1990.

2. 
Florence Gantt - Secretary to Admiral John Poindetxer in 
1985-6-7.

Question 1: Where is Florence Gantt now?

Question 2: Is she in any way shape or form related to the Gantt's (Jay 
and Johnny) of Gantt aviation in Austin?

Question 3: What is there about either Gantt that we don't 
know.

You can 
eliminate the product of standard web searches such as the 
following:

1. E.F. 
Gantt on I Street, NE in Wash. D.C. - not her
2. 
Florence Gantt, Las vegas NV. - disconnected moved, no 
listing.
3. Flornce Gantt on NW 15th Court in Miami is a possibility 
but the new number has been pending a new number hook up for five 
days.
4. 
There's an EF Gantt in Ft. Worth who has not returned a 
call.

Use 
caution and judgement so that we don't ind up having a hundred people call the 
same person.

If you 
find anything you can either e-mail it to me or to Daniel. Or you can post it to 
the list. The journalistic rule here that if you find Florence Gantt and you get 
her to admit that she is related to Gantt Aviation (or emphatically deny it), 
you must be willing to go on the record and have your name used in 
the story. If not then find her and let me or Dan get the quote. Either way 
works.

I'll 
give you a hint that records have been disappearing just about as fast as Dan 
and I can get to them and ask for them. We can't pay you but since the country's 
sinking and you'll be helping to set it right, maybe that'll be pay enough. It 
will certainly prove that there are people who still know how to work together. 
Anybody who comes up with anything significant gets a free subscription to From 
The Wilderness or, if you're already on board, a one year extension to your 
current one.

I am 
leaving town for speaking engagements until late Sunday night. I will be back on 
line Monday morning.

Kick 
butt guys! Let's show the bad guys what the Net was made 
for!

Mike 
Ruppert
www.copvcia.com 






[CTRL] Flynt 'Dirt on W' Scoop Old News (fwd)

1999-10-14 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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I guess MSNBC hasn't been paying attention.  Flynt blabbed about
this on LA radio months ago -- and NewsMax reported it:

Inside Cover

Thursday July 29, 8:22 PM

Larry Flynt: I've got Dirt on 'W'

Hustler magazine publisher Larry Flynt is at it again. Not
content with toppling GOP House Speaker-in-waiting Robert
Livingston over a personal indiscretion on the very day of last
year's House impeachment vote, Flynt now has George W. Bush in
his crosshairs.

Appearing Wednesday on Stephanie Miller's KABC radio show in Los
Angeles, the owner of the White House's favorite "news
magazine"(as Clinton spokesman Joe Lockhart once referred to
Hustler) said he has something on Bush -- but refused to
elaborate.

A transcript was unavailable, but one source who heard Miller's
Flynt interview reports that the investigative pornographer says
he's on the George W. cocaine trail.

Speculation has been rampant since Bush has made it clear that he
won't discuss the particulars of his past. In an interview with
the presidential candidate that appeared last Sunday, the
Washington Post broached the subject. "We need to ask the cocaine
questionwhy won't you just deny that you've used cocaine?"

Bush stuck to his guns, insisting that he wasn't going to play
"this game, where they float rumors, force a person to fight off
a rumor, then they'll float another rumor."

A spokeswoman with Miller's show suggested that Flynt's dirt on
Bush may not be about drugs. "He said he's already unearthed
something but he didn't say what it was and he didn't say what it
was aboutHe was very tight-lipped about it. He was saying
that when he made the million dollar offer last year (for dirt on
Republicans) the Bush information came in then."

Calls to Hustler's Los Angeles headquarters Thursday afternoon
went unreturned.


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