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Subject: Student Sent To Psych Ward For Protesting Christ's Portrayal As Homosexual
Date: Saturday, January 06, 2001 1:12 PM

Student Sent To Psych Ward For Protesting Christ's Portrayal As Homosexual
By Jon Dougherty
© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com
1-5-01
A junior at Temple University in Philadelphia, Pa., is suing university
officials for allegedly having him involuntarily committed to a psychiatric
ward following a dispute over a play depicting Jesus Christ as a homosexual.

According to Brian Fahling, an attorney with the AFA Law Center in Tupelo,
Miss., which is handling the case, Michael A. Marcavage was detained after he
"initiated a Christian response" to the university theater department's
decision to stage "Corpus Christi," a play that made its debut on Broadway in
1998 and depicts Jesus as a homosexual who has sex with his disciples.

In the play, Jesus was eventually crucified for being "king of the queers."
When it broke on Broadway, the play received national criticism. Marcavage, a
former White House West Wing intern, immediately complained about the play to
the dean of the School of Communications and Theater, as well as the
president of the university -- whom Fahling said has since left Temple --
when theater officials announced it in the fall of 1999 .

Besides informing those officials of the play's content, Fahling said
Marcavage -- in a prepared statement -- admitted posting fliers all over the
university "so that all Christians on campus would be aware of this horrible
play," and made plans to stage a protest outside the theater when the play
opened.

In the days that followed, Marcavage said he had a number of meetings with
William Bergman, vice president of campus safety, and Carl Bittenbender,
director of campus safety. Though he had initially planned to protest,
Bergman and Bittenbender eventually convinced Marcavage that protests might
lead to confrontations between rival student factions. Marcavage then agreed
to cancel his protest.

Instead, he asked officials for permission to stage a Christian outreach to
students; Fahling said the university security officials gave him permission
for that.

Marcavage, in his statement to Fahling, said Bergman promised him a stage
would be provided to help him with his outreach program, but later the same
day, Bittenbender allegedly called Marcavage to tell him that the stage
"might be out of the question." The campus safety director then asked the
student to meet with him and Bergman the next morning at the vice president's
office.

At that meeting, Marcavage said Bergman told him a stage would be too
expensive to provide and therefore, one would not be set up for the outreach
program. Marcavage said he then offered to pay for the stage himself, but was
again told no -- without further explanation. Exasperated, Marcavage said he
then "excused himself, went to the bathroom, locked the door and prayed about
what he should do next," AFA officials said.

According to the student, Bergman followed him to the bathroom and began
pounding on the door, demanding that he open it and resume the discussion
about the stage. Marcavage said he opened the door and "told him that I
believed our conversation was over."

Next, according to Marcavage, Bergman "physically" forced him back into the
vice president's office and "pushed me into a chair and held me with his
arm." Fahling said Marcavage asked to leave but Bergman "allegedly refused to
allow it." "Attempting to rise, [Marcavage] said the vice president tripped
him to the floor," then was "manhandled" to a nearby couch by both men "where
they held him down."

Within moments, Marcavage said, a Temple University police officer arrived
and handcuffed him. Then, "Marcavage was taken by police ... to the Emergency
Crisis Center at Temple University Hospital," AFA officials told
WorldNetDaily.

According to Fahling, under Pennsylvania law, a person that is involuntarily
committed for a psychological evaluation "has to be a clear threat to himself
or a clear threat to others," though he and Marcavage deny that the student
"in any way" fits the criteria. Fahling said on-site interviews at the
university with fellow students who personally know Marcavage -- including
one who is a registered nurse and saw him that morning before his meeting
with officials -- "indicated that he is not the kind of person" who would
engage in behavior requiring a mandatory mental examination.

Yet, at the crisis center, Bittenbender allegedly signed a statement
describing Marcavage as "severely mentally disabled"; that he represented a
"clear and present danger to others"; that he had "inflicted or attempted to
inflict serious 

[CTRL] Elites ubber alles: Maybe not.

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1/11/01

I didn't vote for any of these people to run the worlds economy.
Did you?

People are beginning to understand the very simple dictum of survival.
 *** Control your Elites, or lose control of you life.***

This activist generation is fighting for their future.

Nurev

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Police reinforcements sought for Davos forum
Updated 8:53 AM ET January 7, 2001
By Robert Evans

GENEVA, Jan 7 (Reuters) - More police are needed to face a mounting threat
from protesters to this month's Davos World Economic Forum, already the
focus of a big security operation to protect world leaders, a top official
said on Sunday.

Peter Aliesh, who is in charge of police where the conference is being
held, said militant opponents of globalisation -- of which they argue the
annual Forum is a coordinating body -- were much better organised than last
year when they briefly disrupted the gathering.

"We cannot totally prevent demonstrations in Davos, despite the ban imposed
and the stringent security measures we have planned," Aliesh told the
Zurich Sunday newspaper Sonntags Blick.

Aliesh, a minister in the government of the canton of Grisons where Davos
is located, recalled that anti-globalisation protests at meetings around
the world over the past two years of the World Trade Organisation (WTO),
the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, and a regional gathering
of the Forum in Australia, had all degenerated into violence.

"We also have to take into account groups of wreckers who are ready for
anything," said Aliesh.

His interview was published after a Geneva-based radical group, "Anti-WTO
Coordination," warned they did not exclude violence at Davos, a normally
peaceful ski resort in eastern Switzerland.

The Forum, the name of the gathering which has become a major event on the
global political and business calendar over the past 30 years as well as
the organisation which directs it, is due to meet from January 25-31.

PROTESTERS SAY VIOLENCE POSSIBLE

On Saturday, four youthful spokesmen for the "Coordination" told an
impromptu news conference in heavy rain near the Forum's modernistic
headquarters overlooking Lake Geneva in the city s suburb of Cologny that
violence was possible in Davos.

"We do not rule out the possibility of excesses because police will be
there in force and could take extremely repressive measures against us,"
said one of the spokesmen, who all declined to give their names.

He said his movement wanted to close down the Forum and ensure its elimination.

After attacks on shops and cars and clashes between police and protesters
at last January's gathering, local authorities in Davos have banned all
protests this year and called in police reinforcements from around Switzerland.

The Swiss government has pledged to help pay for the security operation,
but is reluctant to be seen mounting a major operation which could be
portrayed by protesters as suppressing their freedom of speech.

The Coordination played a key role in often violent demonstrations during a
WTO ministerial conference in Geneva in May 1998.

'NO DIALOGUE'

Its spokesmen said on Saturday they did not want discussions with Forum
officials "because in our view the Forum has no legitimacy" -- a stance
adopted by many demonstrators against the WTO at that body's last
Ministerial Conference in Seattle in December 1999.

The Seattle protesters, who briefly blocked access to the Conference before
being dispersed by police with tear gas, declared that they represented
"the people of the world."

Such movements claim to represent "civil society" but critics say they lack
legitimacy because of their opaque structure and lack of democracy in
appointing leaders.

The Forum, whose founder and president is German economics professor Klaus
Schwab, issued a statement on Saturday saying it was always ready to meet
critics of globalisation to discuss the effects of the process on both rich
and poor.

But Forum officials "will not engage in dialogue with individuals or groups
who resort to violence or confrontation tactics aimed at drawing media
attention to themselves or their cause," the statement declared.

There will be 57 representatives from non-governmental organisations, or
NGOs, at Davos this month, it added.

Trade union bodies and NGOs from developing countries have used the Forum
over recent years as a platform to argue their case on the dangers posed by
globalisation for living and working standards around the world.

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Protesters warn of violence at Swiss business forum
Updated 1:45 PM ET January 6, 2001

GENEVA, Jan 6 (Reuters) - Leaders of a Swiss group opposed to opening
global markets for freer trade warned on Saturday 

[CTRL] How it works: Markets R us.

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New Statesman [www.newstatesman.co.uk]
8 January 2001

Cover story - The New Statesman Essay - Markets 'R' Us

Business is the new religion; in an extraordinary historical reversal,
those  who  oppose  it are arrogant elitists, frustrating the people's
will.

By Thomas Frank

In  1998, a commercial for IBM's Lotus division danced across American
television  screens  to  the  tune  of REM's Nietzschean anthem, "I Am
Superman".  As  throngs  of humanity went about their business, a tiny
caption asked: "Who is everywhere?" In response, IBM identified itself
both  with  the  people and with the name of God as revealed to Moses:
the  words  "I  Am"  scrawled roughly on a piece of cardboard and held
aloft  from  amid  the madding crowd. The questions continued, running
down  the list from omnipresence to omniscience and omnipotence - "Who
is  aware?",  "Who  is  powerful?"  -  while scenes of entrepreneurial
achievement  pulsated  by:  an  American  business district, a Chinese
garment  factory,  a  microchip  assembly room, and the seat of divine
judgement itself, the trading floor of the New York Stock Exchange. "I
can do anything," sang a winsome computer voice.

If  there  was  something  breathtaking  about  this particular bit of
corporate  autodeification, there was also something remarkably normal
about  it. Americans had already made bestsellers of books such as God
Wants  You  to be Rich and Jesus, CEO. "The Market's Will be Done" was
the  title  that Tom Peters, guru of gurus, chose for a chapter of his
bestselling  1992  management  book,  while  the techno-ecstatic Kevin
Kelly,  in  his  Out  of  Control (1994), referred to his list of "new
economy" pointers as "The Nine Laws of God".

What  the term new economy really describes is not some novel state of
human affairs but the final accomplishment of the long-standing agenda
of the richest class. Once, Americans imagined that economic democracy
meant  a reasonable standard of living for all - that freedom was only
meaningful  once  poverty  and powerlessness had been overcome. Today,
American  opinion  leaders  seem convinced that democracy and the free
market  are  simply  identical. There is little that is new about this
idea, either: for nearly a century, equating the market with democracy
was  the  familiar defence of any corporation in trouble with union or
government.  What  is  new is this idea's triumph over all its rivals;
the  determination  of American leaders to extend it to all the world;
the  belief  among  opinion-makers  that  there  is something natural,
something divine, something inherently democratic about markets.

Wherever  one  looked  in  the 1990s, entrepreneurs were occupying the
ideological   space  once  filled  by  the  labour  movement.  It  was
businessmen  who  were  sounding  off against the arrogance of elites,
railing against the privilege of old money, waging a relentless war on
hierarchy.  They were market populists, adherents of the most powerful
political mythology of the age.

Their  fundamental  faith  was a simple one. The market and the people
were  essentially one and the same. By its very nature, the market was
democratic,   perfectly   expressing  the  popular  will  through  the
machinery  of  supply and demand, poll and focus group, superstore and
internet.  In  fact,  the  market  was more democratic than any of the
formal   institutions   of   democracy   -   elections,  legislatures,
government.  The  market  was  infinitely  diverse, permitting without
prejudice  the  articulation  of  all  tastes  and  preferences.  Most
importantly  of  all,  the market was militant about its democracy. It
had no place for snobs, for hierarchies, for elitism, for pretence.

As  the  Newsweek columnist Robert Samuelson said in 1998, "the market
'R'  us".  Whatever the appearances, it acted always in our interests,
on  our  behalf,  against  our enemies. This is how the New York Stock
Exchange,  long  a nest of privilege, could be understood in the 1990s
as  a house of the people; how any niche marketing could be passed off
as  a  revolutionary  expression  -  an  empowerment,  even  -  of the
demographic at which it was aimed.

Market  populism  was  just  the  thing  for  a social order requiring
constant  doses  of  legitimacy.  It  builds  all  manner  of populist
fantasies:  of  businessmen  as  public  servants,  of  industrial and
cultural  production  as a simple reflection of popular desire, of the
box  office as a voting booth. By consuming the fruits of industry, we
the  people  are  endorsing  the industrial system, voting for it in a
plebiscite far more democratic than a mere election.

As  business  leaders melded themselves theoretically with the people,
they  found powerful arguments against those who sought to regulate or
control  private  enterprise.  Since  markets  express the will of the
people,  virtually  any  criticism  of  business could be described as
despicable  

[CTRL] A Conservative Agenda For 2001

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 A Conservative Agenda For 2001

 Jan. 10, 2001   by:  Phyllis Schlafly

 Since Bill Clinton stuck his finger in the eye of all who care
 about American sovereignty and constitutional rights by
 signing the International Criminal Court Treaty (ICC) on
 New Year's Eve, Congress should immediately pass
 Senator Jesse Helms's American Servicemembers'
 Protection Act. This will authorize the President to take
 any means necessary to protect U.S. service members
 from being subjected to any jurisdiction claimed by the
 ICC.

 Congress should fulfill the Republican Platform's promise
 to stop using the military as "the object of social
 experiments." Congress should "affirm that homosexuality
 is incompatible with military service," forbid putting
 women on submarines, and fulfill the Platform's promise to
 implement "recommendations of the Kassebaum
 Commission, which unanimously recommended that
 co-ed basic training be ended."

 Congress should forbid U.S. representatives to future
 Kyoto Protocol negotiations to agree to any system of
 U.S. purchase of "pollution permits" from foreign
 countries, which would be just a convoluted way of
 redistributing U.S. wealth to foreign countries. Congress
 should also prohibit the Environmental Protection Agency
 from trying to implement this unratified, discriminatory
 treaty.

 Congress should pass a resolution putting other countries
 on notice that, if the United Nations attempts to grab any
 of the powers spelled out at its Millennium Summit last
 September, the United States will cut off all future
 payments to the UN. Unacceptable proposals considered
 by the UN include imposing a global tax on foreign
 currency transactions and foreign travel, creating a UN
 standing army (as recently endorsed by George
 McGovern), and eliminating the U.S. veto or permanent
 membership in the UN.

 Congress should legislate better financial privacy by
 prohibiting any Know Your Customer regulations to spy on
 our bank accounts, and legislate adequate medical
 privacy, including genetic, by repealing authorization for
 the government to assign a unique health-care identifier to
 every citizen. Congress should stop Clinton-style
 expansion and networking of government databases of
 information on law- abiding citizens, and should defeat all
 bills to give government protection to private databases.

 Congress should give us the Medical Savings Accounts
 that virtually all Republican congressional candidates
 promised when they won Congress in 1994, and as
 promised again in the 2000 Republican Platform: "MSAs
 should be a permanent part of tax law, offered to all
 workers without restrictions." The current MSA plan was
 obviously designed to fail, probably by the HMO lobbyists
 who fear the competition of MSAs.

 Congress should strengthen conflict of interest rules for
 the Centers for Disease Control and the Food and Drug
 Administration on approving vaccines. We need more
 Congressional hearings to expose conflicts of interest by
 those who make such important decisions.

 Congress should carry out the promise of the Republican
 Platform to "replace `family planning' programs for teens
 with increased funding for abstinence education." We
 want to encourage the trend just reported by the Alan
 Guttmacher Institute that the percentage of secondary
 school teachers who present abstinence as the way to
 avoid pregnancy has risen from 2 to 23 percent.

 Congress should pass the Department of Education
 Fraud Audit bill sponsored by Rep. Pete Hockstra (R-MI).
 Congress should move promptly to carry out the
 Republican Platform promise that "the role of the federal
 government must be progressively limited as we return
 control to parents, teachers, and local school boards" by
 defunding Clinton's two controversial and unpopular 1994
 laws, Goals 2000 and School-to- Work.

 Congress should drastically revise and amend the
 Elementary and Secondary Education Act, whose
 re-authorization fortunately failed to pass last year.
 Re-authorization should be improved by eliminating all
 funding for the failed and unpopular Bilingual Education
 (which the voters rejected in California and Arizona), thus
 making funds available for more constructive purposes,
 and by initiating a full investigation of fraud in the Drug
 Free Schools and Community Act funds.

 Of course, we want a tax cut for all taxpayers, not just
 targeted cuts that require us to spend our money the way
 the government wants us to spend it; and the sooner the
 better. We also want Congress to fulfill the Republican
 Platform promise to pass "legislation requiring a
 super-majority vote in both houses of Congress to raise
 taxes."

 Congress should pass a resolution urging President
 George W. Bush to rescind Clinton's Executive Orders
 that have no justification in law. Some of the most
 outrageous include 13166 purporting to make NOT
 speaking English a new civil right, 13087 requiring 

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Thursday November 28, 1985,
The Charlotte Observer,
CASH-STARVED ARGENTINE PROVINCES TURNING OUT THEIR OWN MONEY
By Andres Oppenheimer, Knight-Ridder News.
 MIAMI -- Two remote Argentine provinces, short of cash to pay
public employees, have come up with an easy solution.
 They're printing up their own money, to the chagrin of the
national and international banking authorities.
 "We are paying all our public employees with provincial bonds,"
Roberto Romero, governor of the northern Argentina province of Salta,
said in a telephone interview. He said Salta started printing its own
IOUs because it wasn't getting sufficient federal currency fast
enough.
 "People can change these bonds for money at any bank," Romero
said. "They can use them to shop at supermarkets and to buy cars or
any other products."
 The Argentine government is not smiling, and world bankers are
worried that other cash-starved states will copy Salta's financial
extravaganza and jeopardize Latin efforts to curb inflation and pay
huge foreign debts.
 The International Monetary Fund (IMF), the world's main financial
inspector for debt-ridden countries, was concerned enough to bring up
the issue in recent talks with the Argentine government, said sources
in Argentina and Washington. The IMF does not comment on negotiations
with individual countries.
 After Salta started quietly issuing its own IOUs in September
last year, the nearby province of La Rioja started printing its own
bonds too. Four other Argentine provinces have either begun adopting
similar programs or are preparing to do so.
 In all cases, the bonds are good only within the province where
they're issued.
 But the government of President Raul Alfonsin says the provincial
bonds are expanding the country's money supply and are undermining
efforts to remove Argentina from the list of world inflation leaders.
Earlier this year, Argentina had a 1,000% annual inflation rate.
 Alfonsin made headlines worldwide in June when he launched an
austerity program built around a commitment to stop his government
from printing money. Since then, inflation has dropped to 3% a month,
a record low in recent history.
 The bonds printed in Salta come in denominations of 10, 100, and
1,000 australes, the same as ordinary Argentine currency bills. They
pay no interest and can be either exchanged for Argentine currency or
used to buy goods.
 Romero, of the opposition Peronist Party, and officials of other
provinces claim their bonds are not really new currencies because they
are no good outside their provinces.

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Re: [CTRL] Osama bin laden

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Let me rephrase that.

Why is the US asking for the extradition of Osama bin Laden for the bombings
in  Nairobi and Dar es Salaam and not the countries (Kenya and Tanzania)
where it actually took place ?

I mean, if i shot a man in USA i wouldnt be expected to be extradited to
Sweden.


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How do you extradite a whole country? Not that I'd put it past the US to
try.


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[CTRL] MH: Hundreds cast votes illegally in Broward Co.

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Excerpt from an unauthorized biography of George Bush Senior,
regarding his involvement in the assassination attempt on Reagan.


Full account available at:

http://www.tarpley.net/bush17.htm.

. . .

In the midst of the Bush-Baker cabal's relentless drive to seize
control over the Reagan administration, John Warnock Hinckley Jr.
carried out his attempt to assassinate President Reagan on the
afternoon of March 30, 1981. George Bush was visiting Texas that
day. Bush was flying from Fort Worth to Austin in his Air Force
Two Boeing 707. In Fort Worth, Bush had unveiled a plaque at the
Hyatt Regency Hotel, the old Hotel Texas, designating it as a
national historic site. This was the hotel, coincidentally, in
which John F. Kennedy had spent the last night of his life,
before going on to Dallas the next day, November 22, 1963. Here
was a sinister symbolism!

In Austin Bush was scheduled to deliver an address to a joint
session of the Texas state legislature. It was Al Haig who called
Bush in the clear and told him that the President had been shot,
while forwarding the details of Reagan's condition, insofar as
they were known, by scrambler as a classified message. Haig was
in touch with James Baker III, who was close to Reagan at George
Washington University hospital. Bush's man in the White House
situation room was Admiral Dan Murphy, who was standing right
next to Haig. Bush agreed with Haig's estimate that he ought to
return to Washington at once. But first his plane needed to be
refueled, so it landed at Carswell Air Force Base near Austin.

Refueling took about forty minutes; during this time Bush talked
on board the plane with Texas Governor William Clements, his
wife, Rita, and Texas Secretary of State George Strake. Texas
Congressman Jim Wright was also travelling on Bush's plane that
day, as were Congressmen Bill Archer of Houston and Jim Collins
of Dallas. Bush's top aide Chase Untermeyer was also with the
party on Air Force Two. [fn 10]

Bush says that his flight from Carswell to Andrews Air Force Base
near Washington took about two and one half hours, and that he
arrived at Andrews at abouit 6:40 PM. Bush says he was told by Ed
Meese that the operation to remove the bullet that had struck
Reagan was a success, and that the president was likely to
survive. Bush's customary procedure was to land at Andrews and
then take a helicopter to the vice presidential residence, the
Naval Observatory on Massachusetts Avenue. His aides Ed Pollard
and John Matheny suggested that he would save time by going by
helicopter directly to the White House south lawn, where he could
arrive in time to be shown on the 7 PM Eastern time evening news
broadcasts. Bush makes much oif the fact that he refused to do
this, allegeedly on the symbolic grounds that "Only the President
lands on the south lawn."

Back at the White House, the principal cabinet officers had
assembled in the situation room and had been running a crisis
management committee during the afternoon. Haig says he was at
first adamant that a conspiracy, if discovered, should be
ruthlessly exposed: "It was essential that we get the facts and
publish them quickly. Rumor must not be allowed to breed on this
tragedy. Remembering the aftermath of the Kennedy assassination,
I said to Woody Goldberg, 'No matter what the truth is about this
shooting, the American people must know it." [fn 11] But the
truth has never been established.

Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger's memoir of that afternoon
reminds us of two highly relevant facts. The first is that a
"NORAD [North American Air Defense Command] exercise with a
simulated incoming missle attack had been planned for the next
day." Weinberger agreed with General David Jones, the chiarman of
the Joint Chiefs of Staff, that this exercise should be
cancelled. [fn 12]

Weinberger also recalls that the group in the Situation Room was
informed by James Baker that "there had been a FEMA [Federal
Emergency Management Administration] exercise scheduled for the
next day on presidential succession, with the general title 'Nine
Lives.' By an immediate consensus, it was agreed that exercise
should also be cancelled." [fn 13]

As Weinberger further recalls, "at almost exactly 7:00, the Vice
President came to the Situation Room and very calmly assumed the
chair at the head of the table." [fn 14] According to Weinberger,
the first item discussed was the need for someonme to sign the
Dairy Price Support Bill the next day so as to reassure the
public. Bush asked Weinberger for a report on the status of US
forces, which Weinberger furnished.

Another eyewitness of these transactions was Don Regan, whom the
Tower Board later made the fall-guy for Bush's Iran-contra
escapades. Regan records that "the Vice President arrived with Ed
Meese, who had met him when he landed to fill him in on the
details. George asked for a condition report: 1) on the
President; 2) on the other wounded; 3) on the assailant; 4) on
the international 

Re: [CTRL] IT will change the world!

[Jenny Decker]

-Caveat Lector-

I finally got through to the "IT" website--everyone in the US must have been
accessing it over the last 24 hours.
Does anyone know if there is a chat site that is recording guesses as to
what "IT" is?  I have ideas, based upon the reference to "Ginger" . . .
Jenny Decker
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 8:19 PM
Subject: [CTRL] IT will change the world!


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 Tuesday, January 9, 2000
 From The Inside,
 http://www.inside.com/jcs/Story?article_id=20218pod_id=8

 What Is 'IT'? Book Proposal Heightens Intrigue About Secret Invention
 Touted as Bigger Than the Internet or PC

 Steve Jobs quoted on accomplished scientist's new device: 'If enough
 people see the machine you won't have to convince them to architect
 cities around it. It'll just happen.' A venerable press pays $250,000
 for a book on project cloaked in unprecedented secrecy. EXCLUSIVE

 Got a clue? Post your guess as to what IT is.
 by PJ Mark

 Tuesday , January 09, 2001 01:43 p.m.

 Harvard Business School Press executive editor Hollis Heimbouch has just
 paid $250,000 for a book about IT -- but neither the editor nor the
 agent, Dan Kois of The Sagalyn Literary Agency, knows what IT is.
 All they do know: IT, also code-named Ginger, is an invention developed
 by 49-year-old scientist Dean Kamen, and the subject of a planned book
 by journalist Steve Kemper. According to Kemper's proposal, IT will
 change the world, and is so extraordinary that it has drawn the
 attention of technology visionaries Jeff Bezos and Steve Jobs and the
 investment dollars of pre-eminent Silicon Valley venture capitalist John
 Doerr, among others.

 Kemper -- who has been published in Smithsonian, National Geographic and
 Outside among others -- has had exclusive access to Kamen and the
 engineers at his New Hampshire-based research and development company,
 DEKA, for the past year and a half. He tags the proposed book as Soul of
 the New Machine meets The New New Thing and won over his agent and
 publisher with e-mails describing the project in carefully couched
 language. He also included an amusing narrative of a meeting between
 Bezos, Jobs, Doerr and Kamen.

 The invention itself is as interesting as the inventor. Kamen is 'a true
 eccentric, cantankerous and opinionated, a great character,' the
 proposal says, with large gaps when it comes to pop culture.

 In the proposal, Doerr calls Kamen -- who was just awarded the National
 Medal of Technology, the country's highest such award -- a combination
 of Henry Ford and Thomas Edison. Doerr also says, a touch ominously,
 that he had been sure that he wouldn't see the development of anything
 in his lifetime as important as the World Wide Web -- until he saw IT.
 According to the proposal, another investor, Credit Suisse First Boston,
 expects Kamen's invention to make more money in its first year than any
 start-up in history, predicting Kamen will be worth more in five years
 than Bill Gates. Jobs told Kamen the invention would be as significant
 as the PC, the proposal says.

 And though there are no specifics in the proposal as to what the
 invention is, there are some tantalizing clues. Is IT an energy source?
 Some sort of environmentally friendly personal transport device? One
 editor who saw the proposal went as far as to speculate -- jokingly
 (perhaps) -- that IT was a type of personal hovering craft.

 Consider the following items, culled from the proposal:

 IT is not a medical invention.

 In a private meeting with Bezos, Jobs and Doerr, Kamen assembled two
 Gingers -- or ITs -- in 10 minutes, using a screwdriver and hex wrenches
 from components that fit into a couple of large duffel bags and some
 cardboard boxes.

 The invention has a fun element to it, because once a Ginger was turned
 on, Bezos started laughing his ''loud, honking laugh.''

 There are possibly two Ginger models, named Metro and Pro -- and the
 Metro may possibly cost less than $2,000.

 Bezos is quoted as saying that IT ''is a product so revolutionary,
 you'll have no problem selling it. The question is, are people going to
 be allowed to use it?''

 Jobs is quoted as saying: ''If enough people see the machine you won't
 have to convince them to architect cities around it. It'll just
 happen.''

 Kemper says the invention will ''sweep over the world and change lives,
 cities, and ways of thinking.''

 The ''core technology and its implementations'' will, according to
 Kamen, ''have a big, broad impact not only on social institutions but
 some billion-dollar old-line companies.'' And the invention will
 ''profoundly affect our environment and the way people live worldwide.
 It will be an alternative to products that are dirty, expensive,
 sometimes dangerous and often frustrating, especially for people in the
 cities.''

 IT will be a mass-market consumer product ''likely to run afoul of
 existing regulations and or 

[CTRL] Corporations ubber alles: Descrambling the Hard Drive Copy-Protection Scheme

[Nurev Ind Research]

-Caveat Lector-

Descrambling the Hard Drive Copy-Protection Scheme
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article.asp?aid=37802

Plan to restrict copyrighted content through hard drive technology raises
confusion, draws conflict.

Tom Mainelli, PCWorld.com
Monday, January 08, 2001

Hollywood wants a piece of your hard drive.

A proposal now under consideration by a technology standards organization
lays the groundwork for content protection capabilities on your next hard
drive and has privacy advocates crying foul.

The group responsible for the proposal is called the 4C Entity and is led by
industry heavyweights Intel and IBM. The 4C Entity submitted the proposal to
the industry committee that controls the standards for hard drives as well
as other removable media.

Balancing Copyright, Ease of Use
Opponents contend the plan will lead to content protection code on hard
drives that will curtail the exchange of digital audio, video, and
information, limiting how people can use their PCs. Some go further and
claim it is the first step toward the end of free content on the Web. They
argue that the strategy plays into the hands of greedy music and movie
studios and that it could even hinder basic--and legal--tasks such as hard
drive backups.

Proponents of the plan claim such scenarios are ridiculous and say it has
nothing to do with hard drives, but rather with removable storage media such
as Flash memory, microdrives, and most rewritable DVD drives. Besides, they
say, it affects only protected content--not your everyday text files.

Which side's claims are accurate? It's hard to say, as the main architect of
the plan, IBM's Jeff Lotspiech, has twice accepted then later declined our
requests for an interview.

An IBM spokesperson says Lotspiech and representatives from the other 4C
companies (which include Matsushita Electronic, parent company of Panasonic,
and Toshiba) are cloistered to create a document that addresses common
questions about the plan. Lotspiech won't comment until the group posts that
FAQ on its Web site at an as-yet unspecified time, the spokesperson says.

Untangling the Proposal
It's easy to understand why this plan has caused confusion and concern: It
is a tangle of awkward acronyms, base-level technologies, and industry
politics. It starts with the National Committee for Information, Technology
Standards, the industry body that sets the common standards upon which all
PCs operate.

The subcommittee in charge of the ATA standard--which controls hard disks
and other drives--is called the T13 group. This group is currently working
to update the ATA standard.

The 4C Entity is lobbying the T13 group change the ATA standard, introducing
base-level instructions that let device manufacturers implement a 4C-created
technology called Content Protection for Recordable Media.

CPRM is basically an encryption scheme. It is compliant with the Secure
Digital Music Initiative supported by the big music companies that limits
reproduction of secure content.

Hard Drives Aren't the Target, Says Intel
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article.asp?aid=37802pg=2

A representative for 4C member Intel says the suggested ATA changes are
generic and would allow vendors to incorporate any type of content
protections--not just CPRM. Furthermore, CPRM would apply only to ATA-driven
removable media such as microdrives and flash memory, not hard drives, in
Intel's view.

"The scenario [opponents] put forth is hilarious," says Manny Vara, Intel
spokesperson. The CPRM technology will not impact your current files, it
simply doesn't work that way, he says. Besides, he adds, Intel wouldn't
sanction its use in hard drives.

"This is not to be used with hard drives," he says. Using the technology to
restrict what users can put on their hard drives--restricting what people do
with their PCs--would be bad business for Intel, he says. More than 80
percent of the company's sales come from PC processors, chip sets, and
motherboards, so it wants PCs to do more, not less, he says.

"We want to make sure that the PC will be able to play any type of cool new
media that comes out," he says. That's why CPRM technology won't prevent you
from ripping your own CDs or downloading free music from sites such as
Napster. It simply will not impact today's content, he says.

Appeasing Copyright Concerns
So what would the technology do, exactly? According to Vara, the only time
CPRM would kick in is if you downloaded CPRM-coded content, such as a song,
and moved it to a CPRM-enabled MP3 player using CPRM-compliant storage.

No CPRM technology would ever reside on your hard drive, and despite its
CPRM code, you could still do whatever you want with the content while it's
on your hard drive, he says. But once it's on the CPRM device and media, it
may stop you from replicating it further, he says.

So if you can copy the content from the hard drive, where is the security?
Vara admits the system isn't foolproof, but he says it's a step in the right
direction 

[CTRL] Fw: TDI - Guns - 2001-01-11

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

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From: "Bruce H.G. Calder" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Your Daily Info Has Arrived" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:02 AM
Subject: TDI - Guns - 2001-01-11


 Bruce H.G. Calder's January 11, 2001
   THE-DAILY-INFO

 *
 Guns and gun control - Our little debate
 *

 *
 * Well I received A LOT of messages from you. More than I can
 * fairly go through in 2 days I'm afraid. I will try to read
 * each any every one carefully over the next few days, but in the
 * meantime, you might be interested in some of them.
 *
 * Only a handful of responses actually addressed the assertion
 * put forward in the last THE DAILY INFO :
 * Assertion : "Vermont's combination of plenty of guns and
 * =few laws regulating them has resulted in a
 *  crime rate that is the third lowest in the
 *  nation."
 *
 * As expected, most of you who wrote generally oppose gun control
 * and I found many of the arguments quite convincing.
 * Unfortunately, most messages (on both sides of the argument)
 * were lacking in objective facts, which to me limits their
 * use. I certainly plan on trying to get to the bottom of some
 * of them.
 *
 * In an attempt to explain why Vermont has a low crime rate
 * in spite of (not because of) few gun regulations, a subscriber
 * wrote :
 *   "Criminals are usually looking for the
 *easy way out - out of responsibility,
 *out of debt, out of relationships, etc.
 *It's cold enough and rural enough that
 *it's too hard to exist for a criminal."
 *S.Davis
 *
 * I personally don't think this is a compelling argument as I'm
 * sure the crime rate in Chicago is plenty high and their weather
 * might even be worse than Vermont's.
 *
 * Another subscriber who is against gun control that limits
 * ownership but in favor of gun regulation (licensing, tracking)
 * disputes the assertion :
 *
 *  "Vermont has a low crime rate because of
 *   lots of guns. This is a logical fallacy.
 *   To prove this, we would have to chart
 *   the crime rates in all states and cities,
 *   and compare it to gun ownership and
 *   regulations, and be able to show a
 *   positive correlation. Such a correlation
 *   does not exist. Why does Vermont have a
 *   low crime rate? Because anyone who has
 *   visited Vermont can tell you that the
 *   state has a disproportionately large
 *   number of nice people."Mark S.
 *
 * However Marshall H. agrees with the assertion :
 *   "Yes, Dr Lott has done extensive research
 *to prove just that. Everywhere that CCL
 *has been passed or allowed, crime rates
 *have plummetted much faster than in non-
 *carry areas. You can also add that in
 *those places that PROSECUTIONS have
 *become more stringent, crime rates have
 *fallen.
 *
 * Marshall also tells me that the two states with lower
 * crimes rates are (he thinks) North Dakota and Montana.
 * He also says that Vermont punishes those with criminal
 * records who are caught with a firearm more than other
 * states, which of course complicates matters further.
 * Are criminals avoiding Vermont because of the lack of
 * gun control there, or because of better prosecution?
 *
 * One of the better letters dealing with gun ownership
 * and crime came from B.Hoover
 *
 *   "While living in Miami, FL during 1990-1992
 *I remember reading an interview conducted
 *with inmates at the county jails. The
 *article appeared in the Miami Herald, however
 *I do not recall the exact date. The most
 *pointed question, or answer, in that
 *interview was given by a criminal serving time
 *for armed "car-jacking". During that
 *particular time "car-jacking" was a major
 *problem, particularly in the area near the
 *airport. As such, and as he stated in the
 *article, he and his friends would wait for
 *potential targets on the road leading from
 *the airport to the nearest expressway. The
 *first thing they did was check the license
 *plates on the cars they considered taking.
 *Those with Dade County license plates were
 *allowed to pass by because (and I quote as
 *closely as memory allows) "too many people
 *in Dade County have carry permits and guns
 *in their 

Re: [CTRL] Osama bin laden

[Richard Allen]

-Caveat Lector-

Why is the US asking for the extradition of Osama bin Laden for the bombings
in  Nairobi and Dar es Salaam and not the countries (Kenya and Tanzania)
where it actually took place ?

I mean, if i shot a man in USA i wouldnt be expected to be extradited to
Sweden.

US embassies are considered to be a part of the United States, regardless of
the country that the embassy is in.  The bombings of the  US embassies in
Kenya and Tanzania both technically took place on US soil.
_
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[CTRL] Bush - Lebensraum, if we can not have it we will poison it.

[ThePiedPiper]

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This pages url  http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/mono0003.htm
Lebensraum - German Living Space: Disinformation To Jusify Pollution.
Draft - List posted 11 Jan 2001 by Laura Lee Lanning~Shipton

War Crimes
The articles below show a viewpoint of 'Crimes against humanity'
'War Crimes' 'Trading with the Enemy' and I wondered how are
these people getting the backing to do this.  Bush and his amendments
to the Clean Air Act that allow the trading of 'Pollution Credits' the
companies (like Enron) that back this because they make profits
without having to take a lot of consideration to peoples rights.

Lebensraum
Some people (in light of the Bush families backing of Hitler) think
that the Bush's are attempting to control the worlds population through
selective breeding and Lebensraum (German Living Space), like Hitler's
propaganda.
Considering  the 'gender bending' chemicals that are being released into
the
environment (chemicals that has fish testes producing eggs), smaller
gonads on
male alligators, female polar bears developing stump like male genitalia
and beluga
whales with full sets of male and female sexual organs, it could be seen
as reproductive
control but it is being proven that there is no control.

Civilization - Roman Style
Once people have the basics of water, food and shelter they have been
known to
be curious or to want to do more.  This has resulted in accomplishments
like the
Roman Aqueducts, coins, crowns and some utensils but since, like the
Aqueducts
many items were made of LEAD these benefits of civilization could also
poison the
recipients.  Lead is suspected of contributing to the fall of the Roman
Empire since
the bones of ancient Roman have concentrations of lead one hundred times
higher
than current concentrations found in the bones of North Americans.

LEAD
http://www.minerals.csiro.au/safety/lead.htm
There are reports that lead poisoning may have contributed to van Gogh's
illness and madness [1] and Nero probably went mad from drinking
excessive amounts of wine from pewter vases.  Lead can be a neurotoxin.

Toxic Chemicals
http://www.ualberta.ca/~mprins/chemicals.html
Lead - Lead Poisoning The Fall of the Roman Empire
The concentrations of lead found in the bones of the ancient Romans is
one hundred times higher than the concentrations of lead currently found
in North Americans.
Mercury - [Notes L~S 'Mad Hatters' the term is because hatters could
experience  tremors, memory loss, and I nsanity - and could die from
liver and kidney failure because of the mercury poisoning. ]
"The mercury vapour diffuses from the lungs into the bloodstream, once
in the bloodstream the mercury can cross the blood/brain barrier and
enter the brain. Once in the brain the it can destroy the central
nervous system. This causes difficulties with coordination, eyesight,
and tactile senses. In other words it causes tremors, memory loss,
paralysis, depression, and insanity.'
Arsenic -

http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/Draft_2001Jan01.htm
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* * * * * * * *
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From being American trators during the Hitler era
to war crimes Iraq and more the Bush family
gets involved in investments that take down
productive people and use propoganda to start
wars.

Having backed Hitler / gas and toxins they have
been attempting to justify that investment for years.
In 1990 Bush helped make amendments to the (1987) Montreal Protocal
that allowed the trading of 'Pollution Credits'.  By keeping POP's
and more from being declared Biological Warfare
1987 Montreal Protocal
1990 Clean Air Act Amendments - Reagan/Bush that allow Pollution
Credits

CBS ran a short news piece about energy use this winter on
10Jan2001 6PM news.  Guess what, Houston based Enron the
will stand to make a lot of money selling energy to people.

George W. Bush Gets Layed  Pratap Chatterjee, Corporate Watch
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=9485 July 25, 2000
In addition Enron is invested in energy projects around the
globe -- some of which have been tainted by charges of human rights
abuses.
The company has recently expanded from energy to "bandwidth" capacity
for the Internet, making it one of the world's largest Internet-based
trading companies, buying and selling a dizzying array of products
ranging from pulp and paper to petrochemicals and plastics, as well
as esoteric products like clean air credits that utilities purchase
to meet emission limits.
*
Unlike English titles that traditionally had their title
through the land, some acquired their title because of their
knowledge.

These people that base thier names on gambling / investments
and when those investments do not pay off they play both
sides.

War privateers that trade with both sides to keep the war going.

Re: [CTRL] Rumsfeld's Role in Bush CIA Job

[Samantha L.]

-Caveat Lector-

  It is difficult to believe that something as crucial to modern history as
George Bush's nomination as Director of CIA under Ford was 'coincidence' -
Bush's second choice (he wanted Commerce, he says).  Bush blames Rumsfeld for
doing the reshuffling that prevented him being nominated to Commerce, thus
preventing him from a Presidential run in 1976.  Obviously there are no hard
feelings.

http://www.tarpley.net/bush14.htm

George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography

by Webster G. Tarpley  Anton Chaitkin

exerpt

In the Halloween massacre, it was announced that Vice President Nelson
Rockefeller would under no circumstances be a candidate to continue in that
office. Nelson's negatives were simply too high. James "Rodney the Robot"
Schlesinger was summarily ousted as the Secretary of Defense; Schlesinger's
"Dr. Strangelove" overtones were judged not presentable during an election
year. To replace Schlesinger, Ford's White House chief of staff, Donald
Rumsfeld was given the Pentagon. Henry Kissinger, who up to this moment had
been running the administration from two posts, NSC director and Secretary of
State, had to give up his White House office and was obliged to direct the
business of the government from Foggy Bottom. In consolation to him, the NSC
job was assigned to his devoted clone and later business associate, retired
Air Force Lieutenant General Brent Scowcroft, a Mormon who would later play
the role of exterminating demon during Bush's Gulf war adventure. At the
Department of Commerce, the secretary's post that had been so highly touted
to Bush was being vacated by Rogers Morton. Finally, William Colby, his
public reputation thoroughly delapidated as a result of the revelations made
during the Church Committee and Pike Committee investigations of the abuses
and crimes of the CIA, especially within the US domestic sphere, was canned
as Director of Central Intelligence.

Could this elaborate reshuffle be made to yield a job for Bush? It was
anything but guaranteed. The post of CIA director was offerred to Washington
lawyer and influence broker Edward Bennett Williams. But he turned it down.

Then there was the post at Commerce. This was one that Bush came very close
to getting. In the Jack Marsh files at the Gerald Ford Library there is a
draft marked "Suggested cable to George Bush," but which is undated. The
telegram begins: "Congratulations on your selection by the President as
Secretary of Commerce." The job title is crossed out, and "Director of the
Central Intelligence Agency" is pencilled in.

So Bush almost went to Commerce, but then was proposed for Langley instead.
Bush in his campaign autobiography suggests that the CIA appointment was a
tactical defeat, the one new job that was more or less guaranteed to keep him
off the GOP ticket in 1976. As CIA Director, if he got that far, he would
have to spend "the next six months serving as point man for a controversial
agency being investigated by two major Congressional committees. The scars
left by that experience would put me out of contention, leaving the spot open
for others." [fn 20] Bush suggests that "the Langley thing" was the handiwork
of Donald Rumsfeld, who had a leading role in designing the reshuffle. (Some
time later William Simon confided privately that he himself had been
targetted for proscription by "Rummy," who was more interested in the
Treasury than he was in the Pentagon.)

On All Saints' Day, November 1, 1975, Bush received a telegram from Kissinger
informing him that "the President is planning to announce some major
personnel shifts on Monday, November 3, at 7:30 PM, Washington time. Among
those shifts will be the transfer of Bill Colby from CIA. The President asks
that you consent to his nominating you as the new director of the Central
Intelligence Agency." [fn 21]

Bush promptly accepted.

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Re: [CTRL] Osama bin laden

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

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From: "goolie smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Why is the US asking for the extradition of Osama bin Laden for the bombings
 in  Nairobi and Dar es Salaam and not the countries (Kenya and Tanzania)
 where it actually took place ?

Because the bombings were of U.S. embassies; embassies are considered 'sovereign 
territories' of the countries
that own them, therefore while the embassies were located in the countries of Kenya 
and Tanzania, the
embassies themselves are considered U.S. territory.  Therefore the bombings were 'on' 
U.S. soil, not Kenyan or
Tanzanian.

If the situation was reversed, say the Kenyan embassy in the U.S. was bombed, then it 
would be considered a
crime committed not only to, but on, Kenyan territory, and as such those responsible 
would be tried in Kenya
by Kenyan authorities.  Although in actual practice, one would expect the FBI to be 
involved, too...


June

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Re: [CTRL] IT will change the world!

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

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From: "Jenny Decker" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I finally got through to the "IT" website--everyone in the US must have been
 accessing it over the last 24 hours.
 Does anyone know if there is a chat site that is recording guesses as to
 what "IT" is?  I have ideas, based upon the reference to "Ginger" . . .

If it isn't a fad item like Rubik's cube, a clue perhaps can be garnered from the 
articles regarding the IBot
he developed...

Seems a lot of resources, both intellectual and material, have been put into the IBot 
in the last couple of
years, so much so that it would suggest little effort was being put into active RD in 
other areas...so I
suspect that this "IT" is something that grew out of the IBot project...

Remember, according to the articles, the IBot is able to raise up it's front wheels 
and mimic a dog standing
on it's hind legs, begging for a treat...

So consider something along those lines, but developed for non-handicapped people.  In 
otherwords, it perhaps
doesn't have to carry an adult safely up and down stairs, etc.,...


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[CTRL] NATO bombs taking a terrible toll in Bratunac

[Mrs. Jela Jovanovic]

The Committee for National Solidarity
Tolstojeva 34, Belgrade, YU


  Nedeljni Telegraf, Belgrade, YugoslaviaIssue 246, January 
  10, 2001SHOCKING Uranium NATO bombs are taking a terrible toll in 
  Bratunac ineastern Bosnia. The most recent victim was only 20 years 
  oldSomeone dies of cancer every third day; there is no more room in 
  thecemeteriesby Dubravka VujanovicPhoto: I. Dobricichttp://www.nedeljnitelegraf.co.yu/novi/uran1.gifThe 
  cemetery in Bratunac already stretches to the housesThe village is 
  empty, the cemetery full. Soon there will be no more roomfor the dead. 
  Among refugee families who moved to Bratunac from Hadzicithere is a hardly 
  a household not cloaked in mourning.The meadow set aside for the 
  cemetery, they say, was almost completelyempty five years ago when they 
  arrived. Today, one next to the other,separated by a distance of less than 
  one half meter, grave upon grave.On them are fresh wreaths, some with 
  flowers that have not yet wilted.On the crosses the years of death 1998, 
  1999, 2000 and the grave of a 20year-old woman at the end of the rows. She 
  died a few days ago.These are the horrific pictures which the casual 
  visitor will find inBratunac because the first stories about this village 
  will take himnowhere else but the cemetery. The natives of Bratunac live 
  while thenatives of Hadzici die. Suddenly, overnight, after a few days' 
  illness,in the greatest pain - from cancer. Every attempt to explain what 
  ishappening to them takes them back to 1995.Five years ago Hadzici 
  was a part of something called Serbian Sarajevo.They survived the double 
  encirclement of the Muslim army and what wasmost probably the most intense 
  bombing ever seen. In only one day,planes flew 200 missions to dump more 
  than 500 bombs on thismunicipality. The residents of Hadzici survived. 
  They survived the war,that is, but not the peace.First, they say, 
  they were betrayed in Dayton in November 1995. Someoneat the top got the 
  idea that the best thing to do would be to moveHadzici to Bratunac. There 
  was no choice and very little time. Almostthe same night, before the peace 
  delegation returned to the countrystill hung over from the signing of the 
  peace contract, the natives ofHadzici packed themselves and their 
  belongings into trucks and tractortrailers and headed toward Bratunac, a 
  small town between Zvornik andSrebrenica.It was no ordinary move. 
  During the night the natives of Hadziciunearthed their dead and loaded 
  them onto trailers. Not a single "Serbear" was left in that part of 
  Serbian Sarajevo. Even though theytransferred an astonishing 156 graves, 
  they had no problemsaccommodating their dead. An entire tract in the 
  cemetery was empty andthey buried them next to each other. They raised an 
  identical markerover each grave.No one could even imagine that in 
  only one or two years the part of thecemetery set aside for civilians 
  would be doubly full."First the older people began to die. Their 
  bodies must have been lessresistant to the inexplicable thing which later 
  began claiming the livesof younger people as well. It happens often that 
  one of the natives ofHadzici will suddenly die. Or they will go to see the 
  doctor in Belgradeand when they come back their relatives will tell us 
  that they are dyingof cancer. And it doesn't happen to the natives of 
  Bratunac but only tous," relates Sretko Elez, a sixty year-old man from 
  Hadzici.It was believed that it was a question of fate. Then chief 
  doctorSlavica Jovanovic asked how it was possible. She conducted 
  aninvestigation and proved that in 1998 the mortality rate far 
  exceededthe birth rate. She showed that it wasn't just a question of fate 
  butsomething far more serious. The political leadership was informed but 
  todate no one has said a word about it. Foreign television crews 
  arrivedaily in Bratunac, pathologists are asking about the anonymous 
  littletown while Banja Luka and Belgrade remain silent."Even Zoran 
  Stankovic, the renowned pathologist from the MilitaryMedical Academy (VMA) 
  determined that over 200 of his patients from thisarea died of cancer, 
  most probably due to the effects of depleteduranium in dropped NATO bombs 
  five years ago. But someone quicklysilenced the public and everything was 
  hushed up. No one would know whatis happening to us to this very day if 
  they themselves had not met withthe same fate, if they had not begun to 
  die. Only now are they allasking themselves what will happen if the same 
  thing befalls Serbiawhich befell the Serbs from Hadzici," says Nedeljko 
  Zelenovic, areporter for Radio Bratunac and a refugee from Hadzici, 
  bitterly.Zelenovic lost his father a few months ago to cancer of the 
  lungs.Approximately 20 people have died in just six months. If one does 
  themath, they tell us, he will find that a native of Hadzici dies 
  everythird or fourth day.And 

[CTRL] ET: Bush stole vote, claims Clinton

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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Electronic Telegraph
Thursday 11 January 2001


Bush stole vote, claims Clinton

By Ben Fenton in Washington


PRESIDENT CLINTON has accused his successor, George W Bush, of
effectively stealing the White House by obstructing the counting
of votes in Florida.

As Mr Bush tried to patch up the damage done by the withdrawal of
Linda Chavez as his Secretary of Labour, Mr Clinton made clear
that he doubted the legitimacy of his successor's presidency.
Full of party spirit at a Democratic rally in Chicago to honour
Bill Daley, chairman of Al Gore's unsuccessful campaign, Mr
Clinton said: "I think he [Mr Daley] did a brilliant job in
leading Vice-President Gore to victory.

 "They thought the election was over, the Republicans did. By the
time it was over, our candidate had won the popular vote, and the
only way they could win the election was to stop the voting in
Florida."

 The comments broke with the tradition that a departing President
goes quietly and they were in stark contrast to the conciliatory
tone adopted by Mr Bush since his victory was confirmed by the US
Supreme Court ruling that ended the recounts in Florida. On
Tuesday, Mr Bush made clear that he was not interested in seeing
Mr Clinton pursued in the courts for offences he might have
committed during the Monica Lewinsky affair.

 Ari Fleischer, Mr Bush's spokesman, declined to criticise the
President's remarks, saying only: "There is a tradition in this
country of presidents leaving office with respect for their
successors. I'm certain that President Clinton will want to
follow that."

 Republicans in Washington were already reeling from the defeat
of Miss Chavez's nomination. She withdrew her candidacy after it
was disclosed that she had housed an illegal immigrant nine years
ago and might have paid her for housekeeping chores. Other
opponents of the Bush administration, which takes power on
January 20, shifted their attention to the nomination of John
Ashcroft as Attorney-General.

 An alliance of civil rights groups and liberal organisations
announced the formation of a group called "Stop Ashcroft", aimed
at highlighting conservative positions taken by him on abortion
and gun control and his opposition to the appointment of a black
judge.

 But conservative Republicans, who see Mr Ashcroft, a former
Missouri senator who failed to be re-elected in November, as a
vital representative of their views, were expressing strong
support for his nomination. He will expect more support from the
Bush team than Miss Chavez received.

 Other Bush nominees who have been criticised by liberal
opponents are Gale Norton, the prospective Secretary of the
Interior, and Christine Todd Whitman, possible director of the
Environmental Protection Agency.

 Pressure groups ranging from black activists protesting at the
Florida vote to environmentalists have threatened to disrupt Mr
Bush's inauguration on January 20, breaking the tradition by
which new presidents are given a unchallenged entry to power.


*Mr Clinton unveiled a statue of Franklin Roosevelt in a
wheelchair yesterday, delivering a victory to advocates of the
rights of the disabled. Roosevelt spent decades trying to
suppress knowledge of his disability though he never walked
unaided after contracting polio in 1921. Until his death in 1945
he was mostly confined to a wheelchair, but was never seen in it
in public.


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[CTRL] [smashthestate] Fwd: TV Doc. Examines NSA Role

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From: "wilford bates" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [smashthestate] Fwd: TV Doc. Examines NSA Role
Date: Sunday, January 07, 2001 8:17 AM


From: "Bond"
Subject: [ParanoidTimes] TV Doc. Examines NSA Role

The History Channel is running a one hour documentary on the NSA
Monday night, Jan 8, at 8pm EST.  It repeats at midnight and again at 4am Tuesday.


Documentary Examines NSA Role

Saturday January 6, 2001   5:30 pm



WASHINGTON (AP) - The National Security Agency, the supersecret intelligence mission 
most Americans do not even know exists, gives some explanation in a television 
documentary for its tightlipped behavior.

``It's really important that the American people understand what we do, that we are in 
fact a relatively powerful organization. And it's absolutely critical that they don't 
fear the power that we have,'' the agency's director, Lt. Gen. Michael V. Hayden, says 
in a rare interview.

The History Channel program, airing Monday as part of the network's ``History's 
Mysteries'' series, seeks to explain the agency's mission and examines recent 
controversies.

Considered the eavesdropping branch of the intelligence community, the NSA gathers 
information through satellites, telephone intercepts and other methods. Not much else 
is known about the NSA, which employees joke stands for ``No Such Agency''

Hayden offers little more.

``We intercept communications of adversaries of the United States and attempt to turn 
that into wisdom for American policy-makers and commanders,'' he said, according to a 
transcript of the show. ``By the same token, we attempt to prevent other nations from 
doing that to the United States of America. That's what we do.''

Congress recently resolved a budget battle over funds for the NSA when President 
Clinton signed legislation authorizing money for intelligence agencies, including the 
NSA and CIA. He had vetoed the original spending bill because of a provision that 
would have made the leaking of government secrets a felony offense. The exact budget 
figure included in the bill is classified.

``If you were comparing NSA to a corporation in terms of dollars spent, floor space 
occupied and personnel employed, it would rank in the top 10 percent of the Fortune 
500 companies,'' said Judith Emmel, a spokeswoman for the agency, which has its 
headquarters in Fort Meade, Md.

Last year, the NSA defended itself against allegations it illegally snooped into 
e-mail messages and other communications between ordinary Americans. On the cable 
program, Hayden denied such action.

``I'm here to tell you that we don't get close to the Fourth Amendment,'' he said, 
referring to the constitutional provision prohibiting unreasonable search and seizure. 
``We, for better or worse, stay comfortably away from that line.''

The program recounts the agency's history and the codes it has deciphered from 
Japanese, German, Vietnamese and other foreign governments during past conflicts.

``The ability to do communications intelligence has saved lives. It has kept us out of 
war. It has shortened war when we've been in it,'' said David Hatch, NSA senior 
historian.

The NSA had to revise its mission after the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union. The 
agency soon shifted its focus to terrorists, drug traffickers and the threat of war 
over the Internet.

``Cyberwar is a term that you hear today a lot. And the business we're in is to 
counter the effectiveness of cyberwarfare against our infrastructures,'' said Michael 
Jacobs, deputy director of information assurance.

``We acquire information, we determine its value and we pass it on,'' said Maureen 
Baginski, who heads NSA's Office of the Director.

``Really, what you have here is a bunch of Americans that are safeguarding Americans.''

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National Security Agency: http://www.nsa.gov

History Channel: http://www.historychannel.com/







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Re: [CTRL] Osama bin laden

[Johannes Schmidt III]

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Also I believe that in some circumstances, US courts have decided they have 
juristiction over crimes committed in other countries where there is no chance of a 
trial happening in that country. That's not including war crimes trials either. And of 
course if someone is kidnapped in a foreign country and smuggled illegally to the US, 
that is legal too according to US courts.

On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:37:05 -0500 Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: "goolie smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Why is the US asking for the extradition of Osama bin Laden for the bombings
 in  Nairobi and Dar es Salaam and not the countries (Kenya and Tanzania)
 where it actually took place ?

Because the bombings were of U.S. embassies; embassies are considered 'sovereign 
territories' of the countries
that own them, therefore while the embassies were located in the countries of Kenya 
and Tanzania, the
embassies themselves are considered U.S. territory.  Therefore the bombings were 'on' 
U.S. soil, not Kenyan or
Tanzanian.

If the situation was reversed, say the Kenyan embassy in the U.S. was bombed, then it 
would be considered a
crime committed not only to, but on, Kenyan territory, and as such those responsible 
would be tried in Kenya
by Kenyan authorities.  Although in actual practice, one would expect the FBI to be 
involved, too...


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[CTRL] Government Looting Moves North

[kl]

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Ontario's Bill 155 is legislation that, if passed into law, will allow
the Queen in Right of Ontario to take people's land or
possessions - on
the basis that they are or were purchased with the proceeds of
crime,
or could be used in a crime - without first finding them guilty of an
offence.

Have a gun, a knife, a set of scales, a computer in your house?
The
cops will be capable of taking any such thing and having you
prove that
you didn't purchase it with the proceeds of crime, or that you are
not
going to use it to commit a crime.  Same goes for your car, your
house,
your cottage, your cash...you name it.  There is a process, of
course,
but the American example teaches us that obtaining your
property will
be largely a process of rubber-stamping requests (search the web
in
respect of the infamous, American "RICO" statute, and how
innocent
Americans have had their property seized without ever having
committed
an offence.

It is an outrage that, in Canada, any politician would propose
legislation permitting the Crown to take your property without first
proving that the property was the proceeds of a crime or used to
commit
a crime.  Bill 155 will allow the government to loot the property of
law-abiding citizens, period.

The government of Ontario is trying to sell Bill 155 as anti-biker-gang
legislation.  It is not.  It is much wider in scope than that.  Even
the title for the legislation should make that clear:  the "Remedies
for Organized Crime *and Other Unlawful Activities* Act, 2000".
Written as it is, the government could take your property for violating
a law of Quebec (e.g., sign law).  Section 2 states that "In this part
[entitled "Proceeds of Unlawful Activity":

" "unlawful activity" means an act or omission that,

(a) is an offence under an Act of Canada, Ontario or another province
of Canada..."

The Bill gives that same definition in respect of "Instruments" (as
opposed to proceeds) of Unlawful Activity.

Speeding is an offence in Ontario: cars are used to speed and some
(like Ferraris, Porsches and Mercedes) are worth a fair penny - how
many government employees will show up at the auction?  The possession
or sale of some erotica in Canada is considered criminal, and some
erotica retailers innocently offer erotica that someone from time to
time deems "obscene": erotica is sold in buildings, with cash registers
and other equipment, and it is impossible to distinguish the cash used
to buy an obscene thing from that used to buy a not-obscene thing.
Sometimes people who are underage by cigarettes or alcohol from
retailers/bars.  Who is to say that your registered fire arm won't one
day be used in a crime: gone.  Perhaps your boat will be used to
smuggle cigarettes or drugs: gone.  Perhaps marijuana will grow on some
of your land: bye bye farm (prove you didn't intend it to grow there).
The list of possibilities is virtually endless.

Notice something else: unlawful activity includes not only "acts"
(i.e., doing something) but "omissions" (not doing something).
Consider the various forms of registration required in Canada and the
Provinces, as examples.

This legislation is BROAD, SWEEPING and capable of facilitating
government corruption, theft and abuse at several levels.  If made law,
property rights will be meaningless: if made law, this bill arguably
will be the single greatest assault on property rights ever imposed by
a government in Canada.  And you can be sure that the governments of
other provinces are watching to see whether or not the Harris
government can push this thing through.  If they do so, you can expect
the same government looting/disguised-taxation law to be passed in the
other provinces.

Arguably, the law would also violate our most long-lived guarantee of
property rights in Canada: the Magna Carta.  Some people have argued
that, because the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms does not
specifically grant or recognize rights of property - or because it does
not list the Magna Carta as a constitutional statute - Canadians have
no property rights.  Contrary to what some have suggested, however, I
would argue that the Magna Carta - which protects property rights
expressly - remains part of the law of Ontario.  It has been applied in
Ontario *even since the coming into force of the Canadian Charter of
Rights and Freedoms and has been held still to be law in Ontario*.

Section 28 of the Magna Carta states:

"No constable or other bailiff of ourse shall take the corn or other
chattels of any one except he straightway give money for them, or can
be allowed a respite in that regard by the will of the seller".

Section 52 states, in part:

"If anyone shall have been disseized by us, or removed, without a legal
sentence of his peers, from his lands, castles, liberties or lawful
right, we shall straightway restore them to him."

Thus, the Magna Carta prevents Her Majesty from taking your chattels
(i.e., your stuff, your computer, your car, your ___ ) or taking

Re: [CTRL] Lets Not Return to Peyton Place

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

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In a message dated 01/10/2001 1:10:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 suicide - dead man walking?   And Monica - boy as they say, that was a
 real hoot and how much did that cost US taypayers - seventy to hundred
 million dollars? 

Yeah, and if they would just start researching the full stable of Kennedy
ladies, imagine--we could triple the national debt.  Oh never mind, the
Republicans are in.  It may triple anyway.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Alice in Florida

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Jewish World Review Dec. 21, 2000 / 24 Kislev, 5761
Thomas Sowell
Alice in Florida

http://www.jewishworldreview.com --
EVEN THOSE of us who
have been complaining for years about the bias and shallowness of
the media should admit that we never expected the media to be
quite so grossly biased or so unbelievably shallow as they have
been about the outcome of the recent presidential election.
Their arguments have been like something out of Alice in
Wonderland.
The big post-election spin in the media has been that the Supreme
Court of the United States gave George W. Bush the election,
thereby undermining his legitimacy and perhaps its own.
Reality check: The U.S. Supreme Court did not put one vote in
Bush's column, while the Florida Supreme Court ordered hundreds
of votes added to Gore's column.
Does anyone have any idea where we are headed if judges can
order votes added to a candidate's total? The fact that the Florida
Supreme Court got away with it is a constitutional time bomb.
Only the fact that the Supreme Court of the United States stepped
in prevented them from doing more of the same until the real votes
cast for Bush were outweighed by the guesswork "votes"created in
heavily Democratic counties by local Democratic officials
"interpreting" dented ballots.
Does it take a rocket scientist to figure out that there is something
wrong with freezing the vote totals in the vast majority of Florida
counties, while allowing new methods of adding votes to be used
only in a few heavily Democratic counties? Yet who in the media
called that an attempt to "steal the election" for Gore?
Who in the media talked about stealing the election when Gore
supporters tried to disqualify 25,000 absentee ballots on the
flimsiest of technicalities, rejected completely by two Florida
courts? Who in the media talked about stealing the election when
Gore supporter Bob Beckel, after "quiet intelligence-gathering" on
members of the electoral college (reported in the Wall Street
Journal of November 16th), tried to "persuade" Bush electors to
betray the voters they represented by switching their vote to Gore
in the electoral college?

Where are we headed constitutionally if this kind of betrayal -- with
or without the implied blackmail -- reduces the whole electoral
process to a question of what kind of cheap tricks you can get
away with? Bob Beckel seemed shocked that some people were
outraged by his attempt to subvert the election and the
constitution. He could not understand why there were death threats
against him and his family. How can you practice amorality and
then be shocked at other people's amoral behavior?
As for George W. Bush's legitimacy, there have been four men in
this century who became president without getting a single vote for
that office -- Theodore Roosevelt, Harry Truman,Lyndon Johnson
and Gerald Ford -- and nobody questioned their legitimacy. They
became president because of procedures prescribed by the
Constitution of the United States -- and so did George W. Bush.
The only difference is that Bush also had more than 49 million
popular votes and 271votes in the electoral college.
Hitler and Goebbels said that the people will believe any lie, if it is
big enough and repeated often enough, loud enough. Now we are
seeing that principle being applied in this country, with repeated
assertions that Gore "really" won the popular vote in Florida but his
votes just were not all counted. Yet those who are saying that have
never demanded that votes be counted in Republican counties the
same way that they were counted -- under the Florida Supreme
Court's orders -- in selected Democratic counties. Early on, Gore
rejected a statewide manual recount, for fear of losing.
Seven of the nine justices of the U. S. Supreme Court voted that
the Florida Supreme Court'sactions were unconstitutional. The only
disagreement among these seven was whether it was already too
late to try to hold a statewide manual recount, in view of
approaching deadlines. Five said it was and two thought it wasn't.
That is how the 5 to 4 vote emerged on the remedy.
But it was 7 to 2 that the Florida Supreme Court was wrong.
Yet most media people have raised no question about the Florida
Supreme Court's legitimacy. No one except the U.S. Supreme
Court asked where the Florida justices got the authority to takeover
the job of the election officials designated by the state law to make
decisions on election procedures. Few in the media said anything
about the dangerous precedent of a state court intervening in a
federal election to create a one-sided way of selecting a President
of the United States. It is Alice in Wonderland.


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[Aleisha Saba]

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Oh Prudy, was JFK a sodomist?   I am sure if he had been, it would have
been reported by the press..you could not tell a joke on Air Force
One without it getting to the press - remember Butz and his comfortable
shoes joke?

Look to your far left for murderers of character and body of
JFK...and Prudy it is all too obvious you had no intelligence
connections.

Saba

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-- Since markets hand on his every word, I can understand why the
Chairman Greenspan is not anxious to give a lot of interviews,
but I cannot understand why this Business Week lady on the Fed
beat refused to answer simple questions from O'Reilly about the
interview matter no fewer than five times when I watched it,
dumbfounded, the other night ...

-- Ignoring the more technical issues of O'Reilly's concern about
Greenspan's actions and who actually pays Greenspan for now, can
anyone offer an explanation as to what was causing Cohn to avoid
these simple questions (especially given the fact that she showed
up for the O'Reilly interview)?

- - -


THE O'REILLY FACTOR (20:18 ET)
January 5, 2001, Friday

Impact: What Exactly Is the Federal Reserve?

GUESTS: Laura Cohn
BYLINE: Bill O'Reilly


In the "Impact" segment tonight, right about now, you should be
getting your December financial statements which -- not going to
be good. And the carnage continues. Despite the Fed interest-rate
cut this week, the Dow is down more than 250 points in Friday's
session.

As you may know, Alan Greenspan refused to cut interest rates
last month when he should have, but Mr. Greenspan did accept a
nice pay raise from $141,000 up to $157,000 paid for by the
taxpayers.

Joining us now to shed some light on the murky mysterious world
of the Federal Reserve Board, people who can hurt all of us very
badly, is Laura Cohn, who covers the Fed for "Business Week"
magazine.

All right. Now, look, I've -- I've been looking at this and --
please explain this to me. Alan Greenspan works for whom? Who
pays Alan Greenspan?

LAURA COHN, FED CORRESPONDENT, "BUSINESS WEEK": Well, his -- he's
paid by the federal government. His salary comes out of a budget
from the Federal Reserve. I think...

O'REILLY: Do you know -- do you know what -- the Treasury
Department pays him or -- who pays him?

COHN: The federal government pays him.

O'REILLY: I mean, it's got to be some department, though. It's
the - - got to be under some budget.

COHN: The Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve does have its own
budget.

O'REILLY: All right. So the Federal Reserve gets money from the
U.S. federal government to pay their employees, right?

COHN: That's right.

O'REILLY: OK.

COHN: That's right.

O'REILLY: All right. Now that means that Greenspan works for you
and me and all the folks, right?

COHN: That's correct.

O'REILLY: OK. Now how come he doesn't answer any questions about
what he does then if he works for us?

COHN: Well, he actually does answer questions. By law, he is
required to go up to Capitol Hill twice a year...

O'REILLY: But that's to Capitol Hill. You're a reporter for
"Business Week" magazine.

COHN: Right.

O'REILLY: Have you ever interviewed Alan Greenspan?

COHN: Well, this is -- this is something...

O'REILLY: Have you -- Ms. Cohn, have you ever interviewed him?

COHN: Well, he talks in public, and he gives speeches.

O'REILLY: No, but have you ever interviewed him?

COHN: Well, he -- well, he feels that he communicates with the
public...

O'REILLY: All right. I'll take that as a no.

COHN: ... in his speeches.

O'REILLY: I'll take that as a no, that you haven't ever
interviewed him. I'm sure you would love to interview him, would
you not?

COHN: Well, that's the kind of question I can't really answer.

O'REILLY: You wouldn't like to...

COHN: I mean, he communicates...

O'REILLY: ... interview him?

COHN: He communicates through talking to the public. He testifies
on Capitol Hill. He gives a lot of speeches. He feels that he
communicates. He -- actually, under his reign, the Fed has become
more open than under former...

O'REILLY: Is that right?

COHN: ... Fed chairs.

O'REILLY: See, I'd like to talk to Alan Greenspan about why he
hosed the whole country and didn't drop interest rates last month
when he should have, but he won't talk to me. He won't talk to
you. He won't talk to "The Wall Street Journal" or "The New York
Times." Yet we're paying for his -- his salary. Does that seem
right to you?

COHN: Well, he actually didn't ask for the pay raise. It was
something that was brought about by Congress.

O'REILLY: Does it seem right to you that this guy operates in
such a shadowy world, a mysterious world, a world that I don't
know much about and the folks don't know much about? Does that
seem right to you?

COHN: Well, the truth is, if you look at history, he's actually
had a better track record than some of his predecessors of giving
speeches, of trying to be open, of testifying before Congress.

O'REILLY: Do you really believe he's trying to be open? Why
doesn't he talk to you? You're a good reporter, and you're right
down there in Washington for "Business Week" magazine.

COHN: I'm not going to answer that question. I mean...

O'REILLY: Why not? I mean, if I'm a reporter...

COHN: Because...

O'REILLY: ... I want to talk to the big guy on the block, and...

COHN: Right.

O'REILLY: ... you want to talk to him, I'm sure, but 

Re: [CTRL] Osama bin laden

[Aleisha Saba]

-Caveat Lector-

Well Johannes - Osama bin Laden is a Moslem and obvioiusly an avenger of
blood straight out of the OT.

So the Koran is a peaceful book and it makes me wonder about these so
called Kings in Holy Land..recently Islamic law comes down pretty
hard on people but look at this straight out of Old Testament - Rule of
Law for Israel?

And they put a price on Osama's head?  Who once worked for our CIA and
wants to restore rightful heir to throne in Saudi Arabia -

So I wonder about the avengers of blood - even to the two men on a horse
..these men believe their are God's messengers with legal right to
execute those who do them harm - even Clinton said "let them get the
first shot"..but he forgets culpability law - and provocation - such
thing even as fighting words...

What do you think of this ritual legal murder keeping in mind a King or
a Queen or a President can by Executive Action order execution of whom
they please - as Clinton ordered execution of innocents at Waco for he
used the Military and UN no doubt - look at the avengers of blood who
now await him?

He would probably rather deal with them than Hiliary 

Saba

Those embassies - no proof Osama bin Laden did it, but he, is the bogie
man is he not - a catch 22?   USS Cole - I still remember USS Liberty


The King James Bible
at the Electronic Text Center, University of Virginia
Deuteronomy, chapter 19
"1": When the LORD thy God hath cut off the nations, whose land the LORD
thy God giveth thee, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their
cities, and in their houses;
"2": Thou shalt separate three cities for thee in the midst of thy land,
which the LORD thy God giveth thee to possess it.
"3": Thou shalt prepare thee a way, and divide the coasts of thy land,
which the LORD thy God giveth thee to inherit, into three parts, that
every slayer may flee thither.
"4": And this is the case of the slayer, which shall flee thither, that
he may live: Whoso killeth his neighbour ignorantly, whom he hated not
in time past;
"5": As when a man goeth into the wood with his neighbour to hew wood,
and his hand fetcheth a stroke with the axe to cut down the tree, and
the head slippeth from the helve, and lighteth upon his neighbour, that
he die; he shall flee unto one of those cities, and live:
"6": Lest the avenger of the blood pursue the slayer, while his heart is
hot, and overtake him, because the way is long, and slay him; whereas he
was not worthy of death, inasmuch as he hated him not in time past.
"7": Wherefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt separate three cities
for thee.
"8": And if the LORD thy God enlarge thy coast, as he hath sworn unto
thy fathers, and give thee all the land which he promised to give unto
thy fathers;
"9": If thou shalt keep all these commandments to do them, which I
command thee this day, to love the LORD thy God, and to walk ever in his
ways; then shalt thou add three cities more for thee, beside these
three:
"10": That innocent blood be not shed in thy land, which the LORD thy
God giveth thee for an inheritance, and so blood be upon thee.
"11": But if any man hate his neighbour, and lie in wait for him, and
rise up against him, and smite him mortally that he die, and fleeth into
one of these cities:
"12": Then the elders of his city shall send and fetch him thence, and
deliver him into the hand of the avenger of blood, that he may die.
"13": Thine eye shall not pity him, but thou shalt put away the guilt of
innocent blood from Israel, that it may go well with thee.
"14": Thou shalt not remove thy neighbour's landmark, which they of old
time have set in thine inheritance, which thou shalt inherit in the land
that the LORD thy God giveth thee to possess it.
"15": One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or
for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses,
or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
"16": If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him
that which is wrong;
"17": Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand
before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in
those days;
"18": And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if
the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his
brother;
"19": Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his
brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.
"20": And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth
commit no more any such evil among you.
"21": And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for
eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.


So I believe this is the High Tribunal and then they send out the mafia
killerslike Ehud in the bible murdered Eglon saying he had a present
from God - did the Chinese ever do anything about the blowing up of
their Embassy in the Balkans - most favored nation most forgiving?

For 

Re: [CTRL] [smashthestate] Fwd: TV Doc. Examines NSA Role

[Samantha L.]

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 ``We intercept communications of adversaries of the United States and
attempt
 to turn that into wisdom for American policy-makers and commanders,'' he
said,
  according to a transcript of the show. ``By the same token, we attempt to
 prevent other nations from doing that to the United States of America.
That's
 what we do.''
and
  Last year, the NSA defended itself against allegations it illegally
snooped
 into e-mail messages and other communications between ordinary Americans.
On
 the cable program, Hayden denied such action.

  ``I'm here to tell you that we don't get close to the Fourth Amendment,''
he
 said, referring to the constitutional provision prohibiting unreasonable
 search and seizure. ``We, for better or worse, stay comfortably away from
 that line.''


  Well if the 'adversaries' are in communication with American citizens, what
then?

Samantha

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So Web TV will not pick up this story - can you reproduce and forward -
would like to read.

What they do give Ehud the boot - like Chavez did he resign after being
asked?

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Israel, PA now in 'armed conflict'
By Arieh O'Sullivan


JERUSALEM (January 11) - Israeli officials have confirmed that Israel has
raised the legal designation of the conflict with the Palestinians to one
short of all-out war.

According to senior officials in the IDF and the Foreign Ministry, Israel has
unilaterally declared the situation with the Palestinians as an "armed
conflict," up from a "formal state of peace."

The redefinition eases open-fire restrictions for soldiers and absolves
Israel of legal responsibility for damage and injuries.

The confirmation came as a senior army commander told Israel Radio that
soldiers in the territories are "feeling fatigued and trigger happy."

The IDF, currently examining a number of shooting incidents involving
soldiers, has concluded that there are increasing instances of soldiers
firing against regulations. This includes the fatal shooting of a 24-year-old
woman by a sniper as the car she was traveling in ran a road block near
Nablus, and the shooting death of a retarded man who approached a Gaza Strip
outpost.

By declaring the situation an armed conflict, Israel is open to take more
offensive actions. It allows, for example, the designation of a combatant as
legitimate target. This fits the current IDF policy of tracking key
Palestinian gunmen and commanders, some of whom are killed in the attempt.

"International law prefers targeting specific people rather than a general
area to prevent collateral damage," said one government official.

The current situation from a legal point of view is not the same as during
the initial intifada a decade ago. Then, it was a popular, mostly unarmed,
insurrection against occupation. Israel was responsible for the
administration of the area.

Today the Palestinian Authority controls 97 percent of the Palestinian
population, 95% of the territory in the Gaza Strip, and 40% of the West Bank.
The current intifada is one of organized attacks aimed mostly at military and
civilian targets which are instigated or supported by the PA and backed by
paramilitary forces.

"When we examined the facts we realized, 'We are no longer in Kansas,'" said
a senior defense source. "We realized we were in a legal situation of armed
conflict."

The status allows a freer hand to destroy property on the grounds of a
military necessity. This has allowed the IDF to uproot trees and demolish
structures used by Palestinian gunmen without first going to court. Israel
abides by the principle of "proportionality in warfare," officials said.

The decision to change the status was taken unilaterally over the course of a
few weeks and was in effect about a month ago when the conflict changed from
mass demonstrations to armed attacks.

According to the defense source, there were hesitations in the IDF about
raising the legal level of the conflict.

"We under stood that this decision has serious ramifications and we were not
blind to the fact that it could lead to changes in the way we acted," said a
defense source. "But then again we are not ostriches. The facts are not
controversial: We are in an armed conflict. This is not a civilian uprising.
The Palestinians are attacking civilian and military targets. This is called
warfare."

Further, "If we had tried to control the situation only using the amount of
force allowed in peace time, we couldn't have done so," he said.

The situation cannot develop to a true war in the legal sense since that
would require an armed conflict by armies of two states or more and require a
certain totality. A tank battle, for example, would only be a skirmish and
not necessarily a war."

Israel maintains that once it transferred authority to the Palestinians under
the Oslo accords, the bulk of the territories were no longer under the status
of "belligerent occupation."

Defense officials said the upgraded legal status could be reversed if and
when the level of violence decreases.


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[Aleisha Saba]

-Caveat Lector-

So now we see why Saudi Arabia turned on Clinton...Climb Mt. Nebo?

Wisdom of Solomon Clinton shows he was outsmarted and we armed the
Saudis?

All they do is pull the plug on the oil and we have had it.

There is nothing new under the sun - for it is the domestic jews and
moslems they will genocide..

Zionists go home.

They have made USA Most Hated Nation.European Zionists .all for
oil.

Saba

Thank you Ahab.now if biblical "prophecies" come true 5 nations will
beat the hell out of Israel even thought they are trigger happy killers
at this point under Ehud .

So remember the USS Liberty.

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Re: [CTRL] Relativity or are Republicans evil?

[Nessie]

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 who goes golfing 800 miles away as his daughter recovers from
emergency surgery


Actually, he was fishing. 

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[CTRL] The Resolution

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   A Libertarian's New Year's Resolutions

   by Harry Browne

1. I resolve to _sell_ liberty by appealing to the
   self-interest of each prospect, rather than _preaching_
   to people and expecting them to suddenly adopt my ideas
   of right and wrong.
2. I resolve to keep from being drawn into arguments or
   debates. My purpose is to inspire people to want liberty
   -- not to prove that they're wrong.
3. I resolve to _listen_ when people tell me of their wants
   and needs, so I can help them see how a free society will
   satisfy those needs.
4. I resolve to identify myself, when appropriate, with the
   social goals someone may seek -- a cleaner environment,
   more help for the poor, a less divisive society -- and
   try to show him that those goals can never be achieved by
   government, but will be well served in a free society.
5. I resolve to be compassionate and respectful of the
   beliefs and needs that lead people to seek government
   help. I don't have to approve of their subsidies or
   policies -- but if I don't acknowledge their needs, I
   have no hope of helping them find a better way to solve
   their problems.
6. No matter what the issue, I resolve to keep returning to
   the central point: how much better off the individual
   will be in a free society.
7. I resolve to acknowledge my good fortune in having been
   born an American. Any plan for improvement must begin
   with a recognition of the good things we have. To speak
   only of America's defects will make me a tiresome crank.
8. I resolve to focus on the ways America could be so much
   better with a very small government -- not to dwell on
   all the wrongs that exist today.
9. I resolve to cleanse myself of hate, resentment, and
   bitterness. Such things steal time and attention from the
   work that must be done.
   10. I resolve to speak, dress, and act in a respectable
   manner. I may be the first Libertarian someone has
   encountered, and it's important that he get a good first
   impression. No one will hear the message if the messenger
   is unattractive.
   11. I resolve to remind myself that someone's "stupid"
   opinion may be an opinion I once held. If _I_ can grow,
   why can't I help _him_ grow?
   12. I resolve not to raise my voice in any discussion. In a
   shouting match, no one wins, no one changes his mind, and
   no one will be inspired to join our quest for a free
   society.
   13. I resolve not to adopt the tactics of Republicans and
   Democrats. They use character assassination, evasions,
   and intimidation because they have no real benefits to
   offer Americans. We, on the other hand, are offering to
   set people free -- and so we can win simply by focusing
   on the better life our proposals will bring.
   14. I resolve to be civil to my opponents and treat them with
   respect. However anyone chooses to treat me, it's
   important that I be a better person than my enemies.

   * * *

   Wow. Not only is that inspiring -- anyone who followed
   Harry's campaign knows that he actually *kept* his New Year's
   resolutions to a remarkable degree! If enough of us follow
   Harry's advice, we can make 2001 the best year yet for the
   libertarian movement -- and that's something to aspire to.

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[CTRL] Patience

[Jayson R. Jones]

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 PERSUASION POWER POINT #97

Chinese Bamboo

   ...retold by Michael Cloud

   Chinese farmers raise an interesting variety of bamboo.

   One day they plant and fertilize the bamboo. They water it
   properly.

   They water it all spring and summer. No bamboo breaks through
   the soil.

   The next year, they water their fields. No bamboo comes up.

   The next year and the next year, they water it still.

   Finally, the fifth year, bamboo shoots break through the
   topsoil.

   In a period of 6 weeks, the Chinese Bamboo grows 90 feet
   tall.

   90 feet of growth in only 6 weeks!

   Why? How?

   For 5 years, the Chinese Bamboo was developing a root
   structure capable of supporting and sustaining a 90-foot
   plant.

   For 5 years, the Chinese Bamboo was securing its foundations.

   For 5 years, the Chinese Bamboo was preparing to break
   through... and rise.

   Suppose the farmers had deserted the fields after 1 year
   because no bamboo had broken through.

   Suppose the farmers had quit after 2 years because they
   believed that "the crop was a failure."

   Suppose they walked away after 3 years or 4 years because
   their "more practical" neighbors were able to grow weeds year
   after year with little effort.

   Chinese Bamboo takes care and cultivation to raise.

   It takes a long-view to begin. And faith and endurance to see
   it through.

   The Libertarian Movement may be like Chinese Bamboo.

   Some sprouts are just beginning to see sunlight.

   Others may break through soon.

   We must water and nurture them.

   We must plant more and more and more libertarian seeds... so
   that when the massive, swift growth happens... it happens
   everywhere in America.

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Re: [CTRL] Check out The Jerusalem Post Newspaper : Online News From Israel -...

[Carl Amedio]

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In a message dated 1/11/01 11:43:19 AM Central Standard Time,
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 hank you Ahab.now if biblical "prophecies" come true 5 nations will
 beat the hell out of Israel even thought they are trigger happy killers
 at this point under Ehud .
  
Why what a nice thought.  I hope the Israelis nuke the Saudi oil fields
before the go down in your senario. never again!!! We go every body goes!
 Gentiles for Israel!!!

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Re: [CTRL] Lets Not Return to Peyton Place

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

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In a message dated 01/11/2001 11:45:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 Oh Prudy, was JFK a sodomist?   I am sure if he had been, it would have
 been reported by the press..you could not tell a joke on Air Force
 One without it getting to the press - remember Butz and his comfortable
 shoes joke? 

I'd bet money on it.  By the way, there was an ancient (sounded Southern)
retired preacher who called C-SPAN one day and told Brian Lamb and a guest
that, The Bible is very clear in both Genesis and ___(I forget
the particular Book) that there is a big difference between sex and sodomy."
Lamb and guest both missed the point, because the quavery voice did not
elaborate.  I got it though, and ran for my dictionary.   The dictionary
agreed with the preacher.  Maybe there was something to those definitions the
media kept sneering about.   But let's not say anything to discourage an
indictment.  I want the Republicans out of control of the house and senate.
I figure an indictment and all the usual crap will keep the Democrats riled
enough to get them out to vote this next time.  I'll sacrifice Clinton
anytime to get the Republicans out of control.  Hopefully it will be before
they get a chance to clear-cut the Alaskan Wild Life Refuge.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Lets Not Return to Peyton Place

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  I'll sacrifice Clinton
 anytime to get the Republicans out of control.  Hopefully it will be before
 they get a chance to clear-cut the Alaskan Wild Life Refuge.  Prudy 

Good sacrifice the commie traitor!! Save a Whale Buy a large freezer.  Open
up Alaska cut down all the trees!   Muuhhh

Carl

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[CTRL] MC - Mind Control Mass Paranoia

[DIG alfred webre]

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Query: The story below is a major paranoia-meme that has been circulating for
about six months, mainly among minds of "right-wing " persuasion.  The
essence of the mind control meme is that "Chinese and Cuban soldiers are
shooting at US Border Patrol across the Mexican border."

This seems like a classic war hysteria meme.

Does anyone know more about the origins of this particular mind control scam?

Alfred Webre, Vancouver, BC
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Subject:Media Continues to Cover up Major Stories

Media Continues to Cover up Major Stories
http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb1075995

 Thursday, 11-Jan-01 01:12:36

  24.14.28.77 writes:

Opinion Piece - Media Continues to Cover up Major Stories - 1/5/2001

As a writer and columnist, I get email from everyday Americans who are
troubled about everything from the broken election we just experienced to the
multitude of stories I have written on this website related to the disturbing
developments on our borders.

The reports of possible Chinese and Cuban soldiers shooting at Border Patrol
agents is finally garnering enough attention that people are beginning to take
notice.

Several of you emailed me this week with links to Internet message boards
related to these issues and particularly our stories about foreign soldiers so
close to our sovereign nation.

One of the questions that popped up over and over again is that of
credibility.
One post read, “How do we know if these reports are real? I need more
proof.”

This post was a common one with either the writer completely believing these
reports and our high-level sources or wanting more proof.

My question is: what proof would you like?

That proof may end up being Chinese soldiers knocking on your door one
night and taking your property. Or, it could be a Cuban military squad coming
to burn your Bible and any other books that might disagree with the
Communist sham.

My point here is not to belittle the opinion of our readers who desire more
proof and some sort of “second opinion”. But I’m not sure what people
would consider a second reliable source.

Does it have to be Dan Rather coming on the CBS Evening News and leading
with “Good evening, is the Red Army preparing to invade the United States
through Mexico?” If you’re waiting for that, I wouldn’t suggest you hold your
breath.

The problem with covering and reporting on this issue is the mainstream media
in America refuses to pay attention and will not cover the story. When they
did cover the incident of October 26, when Mexican army members fired on
U.S. agents near Otay Mesa, only small blurbs appeared in local San Diego
newspapers and on television. Fox News Channel, via host Bill O’Reilly,
picked up on it but would not report about sightings of Asian soldiers in the
same area.

As the election clearly showed, a majority of the media in the United States
in
more about entertainment and pushing the liberal agenda down our throats.
Anyone who was watching during the Bush vs. Gore battle knows just how
bad it has gotten. Objectivity is a word non-existent in today’s mass media
world. Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings, Larry King, Wolf Blitzer
and the rest of the con artists continue with their slant today. They don’t
cover the border issue because they don’t feel it’s important. Never mind the
rest of us who value our great nation and our personal freedom. If they had
it their way, we’d all be waiting in line for bread and readying our May
Day parade.

I would love it if every major news organization were on top of this story.
It would validate everything we have been reporting so far. But the reality
is that will not happen. There may be a brave soul out there that can break
through the liberal slant and get past their editors but I seriously doubt
it.

I am a former print reporter for a major daily newspaper. I have worked in a
newsroom and seen first-hand how it operates. There is no longer any
journalistic integrity that we all learned about in journalism school.

Throughout my childhood, there was nothing I wanted to be more than a
journalist. O.K., maybe there was a time when I wanted to be a fighter pilot
but most of my life I wanted to be a newsman. I was probably the only 12
years old that actually watched “All the President’s Men” or other movies that
revolved around the world of reporters. It was romantic to me. It still is.

I left print journalism after being edited, censored and flat-out told not to
write “negative” stories about one of the paper’s biggest advertisers. The
media is a business, always has been. More than ever, it’s the money that
controls the content of our newspapers and newscasts. There’s nothing
objective about it.

I share these 

[CTRL] Battle brewing over Bush and environment

[DIG alfred webre]

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Thursday, January 11 8:31 PM SGT

Battle brewing over Bush and environment

WASHINGTON, Jan 11 (AFP) -

A battle of attrition between Green activists and US conservatives is poised
to burst into open political warfare,
sparked by George W. Bush's selection of hardcore Republicans for crucial
cabinet posts.

Just over a week before Bush becomes president, lobby groups are girding for
an assault on Bush nominees
and a strike against his free-market approach to environmental policy.

Several Bush picks, including John Ashcroft for attorney general, Gale Norton
for interior secretary and Spencer
Abraham for energy secretary, have been given damning report cards by the
environmental lobby.

Ashcroft for example, who will be charged with carrying out environmental
laws, "has an exceedingly poor
environmental record, and is openly hostile to most environmental laws," said
a report card issued by the Sierra
Club, an environmental watchdog.

Bush's nominee for the Environmental Protection Agency, Christine Todd
Whitman, escapes with a "mixed"
rating.

It is difficult to think of a president more likely to enrage
environmentalist than former oil executive George W.
Bush.

For many activists, Bush and his oilmen cronies are plotting the rape of the
environment, are certain to side with
big business over pollution and are bent on ignoring the signs of looming
global ecological disaster.

Exhibit number one is his plan to prospect for oil in parts of the pristine
Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska
-- a project Republicans say will ease US dependence on foreign energy
reserves.

The new president's opponents also point to national surveys which rank the
state of Texas, where he was
governor, at the bottom of many smog and pollution league tables.

At the heart of the environmental debate is the perennial argument over the
use and limitations of the US
government.

Conservatives, who revile government intervention, say liberal environmental
crusaders want to add more
federal rules to the statute books.

They brand many Green activists as crisis mongers, who always seize on the
latest oil slick or flash flood to
demand more federal control over business and individuals.

"Republicans are concerned about the environment -- to suggest otherwise is
quite frankly an insult," said
Angela Antonelli, a specialist in the area at a conservative think tank, the
Heritage Foundation.

Conservatives argue that environmental management can best be carried out
under local control, by using
financial penalties and incentives for polluters and big business to clean up
their act.

"It is basically a philosophical difference in the role of government in
environmental protection," said Antonelli,
who believes many environmental groups are mounting scare campaigns to boost
fundraising.

"We should be doing far better than we have been doing -- the Federal
government is impeding progress," she
said, referring to regulations which she says impede initiative and decision
making in areas where pollution and
land use issues are most crucial.

Environmentalists scoff at that line of thinking.

"Pollution doesn't know boundaries. Air pollution from the Midwest is
creating havoc with people on the east
coast," said a senior member of a second environmental group.

"That's why federal laws are needed."

The environmental lobby largely praises President Bill Clinton, who up until
the final days of his administration
has used federal powers to safeguard millions of acres (hectares) of land
from development.

The battle between the two camps has so far been played out across policy
fora, in Congress and the inside
pages of newspapers, but has been brought to the fore by energy shortages and
oil price hikes.

Starting with the confirmation process for Bush nominees the environmental
battle looks set to rumble
throughout his presidency.

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Re: [CTRL] Check out The Jerusalem Post Newspaper : Online News From Israel -...

[Aleisha Saba]

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Well Ahab better pick another name for those Arabs have those oil fields
mined and wired and ready to blow..you wonder why they want Alaskan
Oil?

There is a difference between gentiles for Israel and Zionist going for
Israel and the oil.

We should shake off the Zoinists and deal with the Arab Kings..we
had cheap oil when Rockefellers reigned.

To each his own - I do not have to worry about high gas or oil prices -
so will you worry for me?

Billions of dollars to Israel - Mormons according to this one lady I
know away the outocme of this disaster with glee - then can all climb
mountain in angel suits, kill their prophet and begin againwithout
the oil as usual, for you kow who gave that oil to Ishmael and no wonder
masons wear red fez.

Anyway one of the anti Christs is moving out of the oval office and
taking his fellow sodomits with him, hopefuly..

Bet you even adore little twinkle toes Barney Franks who got caught
using male prostitutes forhis own pleasure, at taxpayer expenses and
that is why he came out of his crowded closet?

Saba - so go head and worship my ancestors and I can prove my pedigree.

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Re: [CTRL] Relativity or are Republicans evil?

[Samantha L.]

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In a message dated 1/11/01 11:48:08 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  who goes golfing 800 miles away as his daughter recovers from
  emergency surgery


  Actually, he was fishing.=20

  Actually, he was golfing and fishing.

http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/12/26/bush.vacation/

Bush's vacation: Golf, fishing, and work
December 26, 2000
Web posted at: 5:58 p.m. EST (2258 GMT)

AUSTIN, Texas (CNN) -- President-elect George W. Bush spent the day after
Christmas in Boca Grande, a Florida island resort in the Gulf Coast, where he
began a brief golfing and fishing vacation with his parents and siblings, all
the while staying close to a telephone so he might continue his ongoing
transition consultations.





The president-elect departed the Texas capital, Austin at mid-morning, bound
first for Houston, where Bush's parents -- former President George Bush and
his wife Barbara -- waited to be retrieved so they might attend the Florida
gathering. The plane then headed to Punta Gorda, Florida, before the clan
began its short drive to Boca Grande.

An interesting subplot to what should be a quiet holiday-week gathering
involved the first face-to-face encounter between the brothers Bush. Florida
Gov. Jeb Bush, the president-elect's younger brother, attended the family
celebrations in Boca Grande, marking the first time the two have seen each
other since the 36-day Florida recount ordeal drew to a close.

George W., Jeb, brothers Marvin and Neil and their father, all enjoyed a
brisk round of golf at midafternoon Tuesday. All of the Bush men, in
shirtsleeves, laughed and joked their way through an easygoing game, all
within earshot of curious onlookers.

The president-elect even clowned a bit for nearby cameras after a sinking a
particularly tricky shot.

 MESSAGE BOARD
Presidential transition




The vacation was expected to come to a quick end, with Bush scheduled to
travel to Washington on Thursday to interview more potential Cabinet
appointees, and presumably make some new announcements and introductions.

The incoming Republican chief executive said Tuesday morning as he boarded
his plane that the trip, though it was to be packed with boating, fishing and
family get-togethers, would also be crammed with telephone consultations, and
his daily intelligence briefings.

Time is growing short, Bush said, and with the clock ticking down toward
Inauguration Day on January 20, every moment counts as Bush and his most
trusted advisors seek to build up his new administration.

"We've made great progress up to now. I'm proud of how our team has really
come together and done a great job in a short period of time," he told
reporters Tuesday.

Bush was expected to stay in close consultation with his chief of staff
designee Andrew Card, and with Vice President-elect Dick Cheney, who is
leading his transition team in Washington.

Among the announcements expected to be made late in the week is the
nomination of Wisconsin Republican Gov. Tommy Thompson as secretary of the
Department of Health and Human Services. Thompson's selection was revealed by
a number of sources close to Bush late last week, but the governor wanted to
take a previously scheduled Christmas vacation before stepping forward to
accept the nomination.

Bush is at the half-way point as he assembles his Cabinet. Seven picks have
been made, with seven yet to go. Former Indiana Sen. Dan Coats was thought to
be a frontrunner for Defense Secretary, but sources have indicated that Bush
wishes to continue his search. They also say that the former Texas governor
may be close to making his selection for Education secretary.

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Re: [CTRL] Battle brewing over Bush and environment

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 Bush's nominee for the Environmental Protection Agency, Christine
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The rating depending on whether or not you think Yellowstone should be
covered with McMansions and strip malls, like all of New Jersey will be
soon.

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[CTRL] Release: Linda Chavez (Fwd)

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Linda Chavez's only crime: She's not a
preening hypocrite like other politicians

WASHINGTON, DC -- Linda Chavez should receive a
profound "thank you" and perhaps a special Congressional award
for her personal efforts to help a penniless immigrant -- instead of
being forced to withdraw her name from consideration as the next
Secretary of Labor, the Libertarian Party said today.

"By sheltering a destitute, battered immigrant woman in her
home, Linda Chavez showed what real compassion is, and set a
shining example for all Americans," said Steve Dasbach, the
party's national director.

"Ordinary Americans might describe Chavez's behavior as a
selfless act of charity. Unfortunately, many politicians call it a
crime. Only in Washington, DC, could being a Good Samaritan be
considered a liability."

On Tuesday, Chavez abruptly withdrew from consideration as
U.S. Labor Secretary in the wake of revelations that she invited an
undocumented Guatemalan woman, Marta Mercado, to live in her
home in the early 1990s.

According to reports, Mercado had been beaten and badly
abused by a boyfriend and lived temporarily in a shelter for battered
women before being taken in by Chavez. In gratitude, Mercado
performed some minor household chores and was given some
spending money by the Chavez family.

Critics described Chavez's actions as "exploitation," a
violation of the Immigration Reform Act of 1986, and a possibly
illegal employer/employee relationship.

But Libertarians ask: When did compassion become a crime?

"When it becomes a crime to shelter an impoverished, abused
woman -- regardless of where she came from or how she got here --
it's the politicians who wrote the law that should be put on trial,"
said Dasbach.

And even if Chavez did technically violate the law, it simply
proves that the United States has too many laws, he said.

"Why should it be the government's business whom you take
into your home?" he asked. "Why should it be the government's
business if you shelter a refugee? And why should it be the
government's business whether or not you pay that person to do
chores?"

In fact, if Chavez's version of the facts is correct, said
Dasbach, then the country needs more people like her -- and fewer
politicians who confuse their favorite government programs with real
compassion.

"Unfortunately, most politicians think that casting a vote for
a new government program and spending other peoples' money
makes them compassionate," he said. "All it does is make them
hypocrites. They get an opportunity to preen in front of the TV
cameras, and brag about how full of compassion they are.

"But if politicians genuinely want to help the hungry, the
homeless, and the desperate, Libertarians challenge them to do
what Linda Chavez did: Take a poor person into your home. Make
them feel welcome. Give them clothing. Give them support. Give
them money. Give them love.

"Until they do that, politicians have no right to criticize
Linda Chavez for helping another human being in need."

Praise for Chavez's personal behavior aside, the Libertarian
Party is not saying that she should have been appointed Secretary
of Labor, noted Dasbach.

"President-elect George W. Bush likes to talk about
compassionate conservatism," he said. "From what we've seen,
Linda Chavez can do far more good being compassionate than she
can as another big-government conservative, running an inefficient,
wasteful, unnecessary government department."


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Re: [CTRL] Bush Decides Not To Include Poet

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

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 just
   and compassionate, equal, able, and free.'' 

One can see why such ideas would not appeal to Dubya.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] SNET: MC - Mind Control Mass Paranoia

[Michael Pugliese]

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Those nuts at RumorMills in Aptos, Ca. ??? The folks working with the
vigilante Ranchers in Arizona? The guy that has the radio show on a AM
station in L.A. that rants about the Mexican invasion?
   Michael Pugliese

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Query: The story below is a major paranoia-meme that has been circulating
for
about six months, mainly among minds of "right-wing " persuasion.  The
essence of the mind control meme is that "Chinese and Cuban soldiers are
shooting at US Border Patrol across the Mexican border."

This seems like a classic war hysteria meme.

Does anyone know more about the origins of this particular mind control
scam?

Alfred Webre, Vancouver, BC
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Media Continues to Cover up Major Stories
http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb1075995

Thursday, 11-Jan-01 01:12:36

  24.14.28.77 writes:

Opinion Piece - Media Continues to Cover up Major Stories - 1/5/2001

As a writer and columnist, I get email from everyday Americans who are
troubled about everything from the broken election we just experienced to
the
multitude of stories I have written on this website related to the
disturbing
developments on our borders.

The reports of possible Chinese and Cuban soldiers shooting at Border Patrol

agents is finally garnering enough attention that people are beginning to
take
notice.

Several of you emailed me this week with links to Internet message boards
related to these issues and particularly our stories about foreign soldiers
so
close to our sovereign nation.

One of the questions that popped up over and over again is that of
credibility.
One post read, “How do we know if these reports are real? I need more
proof.”

This post was a common one with either the writer completely believing these
reports and our high-level sources or wanting more proof.

My question is: what proof would you like?

That proof may end up being Chinese soldiers knocking on your door one
night and taking your property. Or, it could be a Cuban military squad
coming
to burn your Bible and any other books that might disagree with the
Communist sham.

My point here is not to belittle the opinion of our readers who desire more
proof and some sort of “second opinion”. But I’m not sure what people
would consider a second reliable source.

Does it have to be Dan Rather coming on the CBS Evening News and leading
with “Good evening, is the Red Army preparing to invade the United States
through Mexico?” If you’re waiting for that, I wouldn’t suggest you hold
your
breath.

The problem with covering and reporting on this issue is the mainstream
media
in America refuses to pay attention and will not cover the story. When they
did cover the incident of October 26, when Mexican army members fired on
U.S. agents near Otay Mesa, only small blurbs appeared in local San Diego
newspapers and on television. Fox News Channel, via host Bill O’Reilly,
picked up on it but would not report about sightings of Asian soldiers in
the
same area.

As the election clearly showed, a majority of the media in the United States
in
more about entertainment and pushing the liberal agenda down our throats.
Anyone who was watching during the Bush vs. Gore battle knows just how
bad it has gotten. Objectivity is a word non-existent in today’s mass media
world. Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings, Larry King, Wolf Blitzer
and the rest of the con artists continue with their slant today. They don’t
cover the border issue because they don’t feel it’s important. Never mind
the
rest of us who value our great nation and our personal freedom. If they had
it their way, we’d all be waiting in line for bread and readying our May
Day parade.

I would love it if every major news organization were on top of this story.
It would validate everything we have been reporting so far. But the reality
is that will not happen. There may be a brave soul out there that can break
through the liberal slant and get past their editors but I seriously doubt
it.

I am a former print reporter for a major daily newspaper. I have worked in a
newsroom and seen first-hand how it operates. There is no longer any
journalistic integrity that we all learned about in journalism school.

Throughout my childhood, there was nothing I wanted to be more than a
journalist. O.K., maybe there was a time when I wanted to be a fighter 

[CTRL] George and Mikhail

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From: "Virginia Raines" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: George and Mikhail
Date: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 4:30 PM

[There has been an increasing amount of information being
publicized on the net about Bush-Rockefeller-Nazi
connections and control in the world through many
institutitions including the Federal Reserve, Rockefeller
Foundation, Manhattan Insitute, etc.

Before reading the two letters at bottom, it is absolutely
essential to understand who really controls the Federal
Reserve, as well as many other key banking institutions
including BIS.  Researchers often conclude that the Federal
Reserve is structured in such a way that New York-member
dominance is guaranteed, with a consequent assumption that
the Rockefellers are in control.   This is a very incomplete
and naive understanding, IMO, but quite understandable given
the dialectics involved.

Although the article "Who Is Running America" is somewhat
lengthy and has much other information, the following
excerpt with a link to the mentioned chart has to be
comprehended first.

http://www.nidlink.com/~bobhard/usfraud.html
"The Independent Treasury Act of 1921 suspended the de jure
(meaning 'by right of legal establishment') Treasury
Department of the United States government.  Our Congress
turned the treasury department over to a private
corporation, the Federal Reserve and their agents.  The bulk
of the ownership of the Federal Reserve System, a very well
kept secret from the American Citizen, is held by these
banking interests:

Rothschild Bank of London
Rothschild Bank of Berlin
Warburg Bank of Hamburg
Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
Lazard Brothers of Paris
Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
Goldman, Sachs of New York
Lehman Brothers of New York
Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York

"The Federal Reserve is at the root of most of our present
laws.  Basically, the Federal Reserve is the 'STATE' of the
United States.

"See 'Our Enemy, The STATE' by Albert J.  Nock - 1935, his
Classic Critique Distinguishing 'Government' from the
'STATE.' [[there is a link to the article on the webpage for
anyone who wishes to view it]]

"See Also Charts in Text Format of Interlocking
Directorships and Family Linkages taken from 'Federal
Reserve Directors: A Study of Corporate and Banking
Influence.  Staff Report, Committee on Banking, Currency and
Housing, House of Representatives, 94th Congress, 2nd
Session, August 1976.'
[[http://www.nidlink.com/~bobhard/fedchart.txt]]

[The information at the webpage with these charts may also
cast some doubt on the prototypical conspiracy theory that
the "British" are in a cabal against us, or at least the
usual interpretations that go along with that theory.

Further, though I don't have access to the proof, I was told
a few years ago by someone who did in-depth university
research on the whole subject that he discovered J.P. Morgan
died in debt to the Rothschilds, which was only a somewhat
minor point at the time in his paper.

So the next time you read about US corporations and banks
helping Hitler, don't doubt that it happened -- but please
don't stop there!  Any amount of logic plus research will
show, for example, that communism has always been financed
by the same interests, as well as just about anything else
of importance for the last 100+ years.

If anyone has further information, I would like to receive
it.   Thanks.  VR]

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Dear George and Mikhail:

In Professor Antony Sutton's, Wall Street and the Rise of
Hitler, we find that the money crowd who own the private,
illegal, Federal Reserve System, financed Hitler's rise to
power, and also helped him finance his war against the
United States.  In talking to pilots who had returned from
that war, it was quite obvious that they resented the fact
that they were not allowed to bomb Henry Ford's plant in
Germany, nor were they allowed to bomb Standard Oil's I.G.
Farben chemical giant, or the General Motors plant.  Other
US plants making war material to kill American and Canadian
soldiers were afforded the same immunity.

Of interest, also, from Professor Charles Levenson's Vodka
Cola, Frank MacCarthy, personnel manager of Canadian IBM and
a bombardier in the Royal Air Force, dropped his bombs
anywhere rather than hit his supposed target, the IBM
factory.  P 211.

Major Racey Jordan was stationed in Edmonton, Alberta,
charged with supervising the massive 

Re: [CTRL] [endsecrecy] Right-wing idealogue as Att Gen?

[Jayson R. Jones]

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On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:22:57 EST "Samantha L." [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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  If this appointment process were carefully scripted it couldn't have
been done more prefectly.  Chavez drws fire and takes the heat off
Ashcroft.  Many think her appointment was intended to do that.  She
backs down and the heat is back on Ashcroft.  Thank God Almighty the
heat is back on
Ashcroft But WAIT.  Everyone is ignoring Rumsfeld.   Aha!  It
worked.
That slippery sucker is going to glide on through.
Samantha

It is a double layered tactic.  Chavez takes the initial heat over
something that is questionable.  A lot of people feel that what she did,
though illegal in a technical sense, was a good thing.  They are
ambivilent about dumping on her for this, ignoring the other things she
stands for that are the real issues, and why we should oppose her
nomination.  Then comes Ashcroft.  We are already set up, via the Chavez
thing, to have some sympathy for him.  I'm pretty confident that he will
also fail.  That really puts everyone in a bipartisan mood, after all we
shot down the first two nominations of George II.  The really nasty
people are subsequently passed in a rush of fellowship.  Corporate
America directly takes over the government instead of just owning the
people in charge.
Jayson

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Re: [CTRL] [smashthestate] Fwd: TV Doc. Examines NSA Role

[Mark McHugh]

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Samantha L wrote:

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  ``We intercept communications of adversaries of the United States
  and attempt to turn that into wisdom for American policy-makers
  and commanders,''


   Well if the 'adversaries' are in communication with American citizens, what
 then?

Anything going out of the US or incoming from outside of the US is
fair game for overseas interceptors, like those at Menwith Hill in the
UK.  The NSA is not supposed to intercept internal comms.  The
loophole is that there is an intel-sharing agreement with UK-USA and
also ANZAC, if I recall correctly.  The NSA can receive intercepts of
US comms from our foreign partners.  At least this is how it was back
in the 80s, when I knew for sure.

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[CTRL] Lawsuit Charges Racism In Florida Voting

[radman]

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It's Not Just The Chad Anymore
Lawsuit Charges Racism In Florida Voting
Associated Press

Saying blacks were disenfranchised in November by institutionalized
racism, civil rights groups sued Florida election officials Wednesday in
a bid to overhaul how elections are run. The lawsuit, rounding up
complaints from the Nov. 7 presidential election, asks a federal judge
to get rid of punch-card ballots used in 25 counties, fix the state's
system for purging voter lists and monitor Florida elections for 10
years. There is no effort to overturn the results of the presidential
race won by George W. Bush.

http://news.findlaw.com/ap/l//1-11-2001/20010111010545160.html

  Suit Charges Racism in Florida Voting
  http://news.findlaw.com/ap/a/p/1131/1-11-2001/20010111005624370.html

Voting Rights Act (42 USC 1971, et. seq.):
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[CTRL] Federal Hearings Begin Into Irregularities in Florida Voting

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  Federal Hearings Begin Into Irregularities in Florida Voting

http://news.findlaw.com/ap/l//1-11-2001/2001055718810.html

By DARA KAM Associated Press Writer

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) _ A Tallahassee minister Thursday told a federal
commission investigating voting irregularities in Florida that he was
wrongly accused of being a felon and almost lost his vote because of it.
"I was slingshotted into slavery," said Willie D. Whiting, a 52-year-old
pastor at the House of Prayer Church in Tallahassee. Officials at his
polling place told him his named had been purged from the rolls because he
was a felon _ which he wasn't.
"It didn't feel good," said Whiting, who was finally allowed to vote after
his background was double-checked with the county elections supervisor's
office.
Roberta Tucker, a 49-year-old state employee, said she was intimidated on
Election Day when she was stopped by five white Highway Patrol officers
about two miles from her polling place in Woodville, near Tallahassee, and
asked for her drivers license.
"It was an election day and a big election and there were only white
officers there," she said. "It was suspicious to me."
Patrol officials said later that it was a short-term, spur-of-the-moment
road-safety checkpoint, unauthorized by higher officers but not intended to
scare anyone away from the polls.
The chairwoman of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights said the morning
testimony gave cause for concern.
"The committee has received troubling reports of an inordinate number of
irregularities," Mary Frances Berry said. "We know that in elections across
the country there will be from time to time instances of irregularities.
But these should be the exceptions, not the rule."
Gov. Jeb Bush, brother of the president-elect, was to testify later
Thursday. The governor formed a panel last month to recommend improvements,
and both houses of the Republican-controlled Florida Legislature also are
examining the disputed balloting.
Meanwhile, civil rights groups are suing Florida election officials on
behalf of thousands of blacks, saying they were denied the right to vote in
the presidential election because of institutionalized racism.
The lawsuit filed Wednesday in Miami asked a federal judge to overhaul how
Florida's elections are run by getting rid of punch-card ballots used in 25
counties, fixing the system for purging voter lists and monitoring state
elections for 10 years.
The civil rights lawsuit does not attempt to overturn the results of the
Nov. 7 presidential race in Florida, which provided the decisive margin for
President-elect Bush.
Secretary of State Katherine Harris, state elections chief Clay Roberts and
county election supervisors are named in the suit. Roberts said he couldn't
comment because he hadn't seen it.
Groups supporting the lawsuit said lawful voters were purged from
registration lists and some voters were not given required language
assistance.
The groups also claim thousands were turned away from Florida polls, some
because applications from state motor vehicle offices weren't processed.
About 17,000 letters were sent out informing people they couldn't vote
because they were convicted felons, even though many were not.
"This thing is so massive," said Adora Obi Nweze, Florida president of the
National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. "It's scary to
think about what the numbers could be."
The plaintiffs include voters and others who say they were turned away from
the polls.
Earlier this week, a lawsuit was filed in state court in an attempt to
block use of the punch-card "Votomatic" system. Plaintiffs claim the
error-prone system caused thousands of votes to go uncounted and may have
changed the results in a race that was decided in Bush's favor by 537 votes.
Last week, the American Civil Liberties Union sued Georgia officials to
throw out the punch-card system used in 17 counties. The ACLU claims the
system disenfranchises thousands in areas with large numbers of black voters.

On the Net:
NAACP: http://www.naacp.org
American Civil Liberties Union of Florida: http://www.aclufl.org
People for the American Way: http://www.pfaw.org
Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law:
http://www.lawyerscommittee.org

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[CTRL] Children Used as Guinea Pigs By U.S. Company

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Children Used as Guinea Pigs By U.S. Company

By Toye Olori

LAGOS, Jan 9 (IPS) - A recent report by a U.S. newspaper that a
major international pharmaceutical company carried out unapproved
tests of a risky drug on Nigerian children which led to tragic
consequences, has put the company on a firing line in Nigeria.

The report, by the Washington Post, said Pfizer, the American
pharmaceutical company, in 1996 carried out the clinical test that
led to the death of 11 Nigerian children and the deformation of
200 others.

The drug, ''Trovan Floxacin'', was developed for the treatment
of meningcocal meningitis, a form of Cerebro-Spinal Meningitis
(CSM) which ravages part of northern Nigeria during the hot
season. Nigeria has two weather conditions - dry season and rainy
season.

Unconfirmed reports say Pfizer did not obtain the approval of
the Food and Drug Administration, the agency which regulates
pharmaceutical products in the United States, before embarking on
on the test.

''The action of Pfizer is most detestable,'' says Peter Ebigbo
of ChildRights Africa, a Network for the Prevention and Protection
against Child Abuse and Rights.

''Our leaders must not allow Nigerians to be used as guinea
pigs by any company to make money. We must now begin to claim back
our rights. My organisation will look into it and come up with an
appropriate statement on the issue,'' says Ebigbo.

Medical experts in Nigeria believe there was gross abuse of
professional ethics as internationally accepted standards seemed
to have either been poorly enforced or completely ignored.

They argued that the patients and their families were not
adequately educated on the parameters of the test and its possible
consequences.

In its first official reaction, contained in a statement
released in Lagos over the weekend, Pfizer maintained that
approval was received from all appropriate agencies before trial
was carried out for its test on CSM patients at the Infectious
Disease Hospital in Kano.

The statement, signed by the Pharmaceutical Division Director
and Medical Director of Pfizer Specialities, Lere Baale and Segun
Dogunro respectively, expressed shock at the report which they
described as lopsided.

''It is unimaginable that a company like ours would be involved
in a clinical trial without the approval of the appropriate
agencies. Indeed relevant agencies and government bodies were
fully involved in our drive to save lives during the crisis,'' the
statement said.

It added that only 90 CSM patients were treated with Trovan
during the trial while another 97 were treated with the company's
Cefiriaxone which is the gold standard for the CSM treatment even
in the United States.

But, Sadiq Wali, Chief Medical Director of the Aminu Kano
Teaching Hospital (AKTH), has denied that the hospital's medical
ethics committee gave approval to Pfizer to use the drug at the
Infectious Diseases Hospital in Kano.

He says for any pharmaceutical company to get approval to test
any drug, it must get the approval of a local ethics committee in
the community made up of senior medical personnel and members of
the community where the test would be carried out.

''Pfizer did not do that. I am not sure if they had the consent
of the people used as guinea pigs, because that means informed
consent in medical parlance. Such consent has to do with the
patients being told the good as well as the side effects of the
drugs to be administered'', he says.

The Kano State government has instituted a probe into the
matter.

While inaugurating a three-man team mandated to investigate the
issue, Commissioner for Health, Dr. Mansur Kabir, said the
ministry was appalled by the news reports on the trial of the CSM
drug.

He warned that anybody indicted by the committee expected to
submit its report within a week, would be made to face the full
wrath of the law no matter his position in the society.

Getting proper records would, however, not be easy. Reports
from Kano say the medical records of 350 CSM patients, who were
treated between April and June 1996, had disappeared from the
hospital.

So far, the growing public pressure appears to be forcing the
government to take action against the company. A Ministry of
Health memorandum on award of contracts for the supply of CSM
vaccines this year shows that 11 pharmaceutical companies would
supply 33 million doses of the vaccine valued at 9 million
dollars, but Pfizer's name was conspicuously missing from the
list.

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[CTRL] Students for an Undemocratic Society

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From: "Students for an Undemocratic Society"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: January 10, 2001
Subject: Join Students for an Undemocratic Society!

WHO ARE STUDENTS FOR AN UNDEMOCRATIC SOCIETY?
We are the children of the political, military, and business elites of
America.  We have worked for years to undermine democracy worldwide, and
seek to celebrate the fact that-with the installation of presidents Cheney
and Bush-even the pretense of American democracy has at last been cast
aside.  We march in support of the property-owning, white heterosexual male
who rules by violence.

THE SUDS STATEMENT:
Feel free to use, abuse, or alter:

KNEEL BEFORE BUSH!  KNEEL BEFORE CHENEY!

Mobutu.  Suharto.  Fujimori.
For decades, the United States has propped up tin-plated despots not only in
Zaire, Indonesia, and Peru, but all over the world.  Yet we are the largest
imperial power on earth.  Shouldn't we have a strongman of our very own?

PRESIDENT BUSH?  TRY, "EMPEROR BUSH!"
It has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?  We all know that America has never
really been a true democracy.  But in this election, when we bought Dick and
George to the tune of $191,617,196 (and, just to hedge our bets, Gore for
$132,624,544); disenfranchised black voters in Florida (and all over the
country!); and, finally, had a corrupt, nepotistic right-wing Supreme Court
install our boys, in the tradition of such great decisions as Dred Scott and
Plessy v. Ferguson: well, we did away with even the pretense of American
democracy.  And for that we're proud.

WHOSE STREETS?  NOT YOURS!
Let's face it-our idiot boy-king and his retainer are in charge now whether
you like it or not.  And you had better like it if you don't want to end up
in a Mississippi work camp after the 2003 purges!  Here's a simple guide
that will help you stop thinking and relinquish control to us, your rightful
masters.

KNOW YOUR RIGHTS-KNOW YOUR PLACE!
Give up that pesky identity and join us!  It feels good to sublimate your
individuality to the machine.  Feeling a little "warm in the pants" for
someone of the same gender, or of a different race?  Or someone you're not
married to?  Or yourself?  In fact, are you feeling "warm in the pants" at
all?  Take a cold shower, hoss.  Once Attorney General Ashcroft (soon to be
"Minister of Death Ashcroft") is sworn in, sex is for procreation only.
Under penalty of castration!

Feeling "strange," or "angry?"  Like you might need to "express yourself"
through artwork, or even worse, by speaking or assembling freely?  Or maybe
you've got a gripe against your boss, your landlord, your bank?  Well, shut
up and get back to work.  "What about the first amendment?," you ask.  Shut
up and get back to work, we say again, more loudly, this time brandishing
our horsewhip.

Maybe you were born "different."  Maybe you're strange-looking, or unable to
walk, or have "non-white" skin.  Well, we property-owning heterosexual white
Christian males know that's not your fault.  Stay out of trouble, keep your
head down, and do everything we say, and maybe we'll find a nice job for
you.  Just like Clarence Thomas!

MORE PRISONS-MORE PROFIT!
We SUDS are proud of the fact that, with 690 prisoners for every 100,000
people, the US is the world leader in rates of incarceration!  That's a
six-fold increase since 1970!  One in three black males between the ages of
20-29 are under some type of correctional control (1 in 15 white and 1 in 8
Hispanic).  And with Presidents Cheney and Bush in office-George presided
over a whopping 152 executions in the state of Texas!-it's only going to get
better (for us.  For you, it's going to get worse).  And with Minister of
Death Ashcroft, who has praised Confederate slave-holders, is cuddly with
Bob Jones University, and has called addicts seeking treatment "the lowest
and the least," we're looking at death-camp, USA!  With our new "Vassalage
21" initiative, we're hoping to have 87% of the male population behind bars
by 2004.  Think of the possibilities: no tipping, your waiter's on a
work-release program!  Your caddy gives you sass?  Give HIM a lethal
injection!  Since 1995, the US has spent $5.1 Billion in new prison
construction alone!  That translates into LOTS of cheap labor: future Health
 Human Services Secretary (soon to be "Minister of Pestilence") Tommy
Thompson passed a budget as Governor of Wisconsin allowing commercial
entities to use prison facilities and labor for manufacturing purposes, just
like they do in California, Tennessee, Kansas, Ohio, Oregon, Texas, Nevada,
and Iowa!  The Correctional Industries Association estimates that in 2000,
30 percent of America's inmate population labored to create nearly $9
billion in sales for private business interests like McDonald's,  Kmart, JC
Penney, Eddie Bauer, Honda, and TWA!  And that lily-livered Clinton may have
made a whole bunch of offenses now punishable by death, but you ain't seen
nothin' yet!  Coming soon: sodomy, dissent, and failure to kneel before the

[CTRL] Let's Boycott America

[radman]

-Caveat Lector-

Let's Boycott America

http://www.consider.net/forum_new.php3?newTemplate=OpenObjectnewTop=30008858newDisplayURN=200012250006


US democracy is flawed; its human rights record poor; its greed threatens
the planet. Is it time for the rest of us to act?

by David Nicholson-Lord
Monday 25th December 2000

Whenever one gets unduly depressed about British politics, it is always
worth glancing across the Atlantic to see how bad things can really get.
Quite what was going through Tony Blair's mind last week when he rang up to
congratulate George W Bush on the latter's much-disputed achievement of the
presidency may not be known until he writes his memoirs. But it is a fair
guess that he had to swallow hard before he picked up the phone. In
Britain, Blair is routinely berated by the right-wing press as a
superficial lightweight, but, by the side of George W, he is a towering
intellectual giant. Sadly, by the side of George W, a frightening number of
people are.
What is to be done about the United States of America?  Put another way,
how much of a jackass does a man have to be before he's stopped from being
president?
For a little over a month, from the inconclusive ending on election night
to the Supreme Court's narrow decision in favour of Bush, the rest of us
watched in disbelief as the nuts and bolts of American democracy came apart
before our eyes. One had known that the system was gridlocked - awash with
unreformed campaign finance, in thrall to business lobbies and focus
groups, obsessed with trivia, incapable of generating an intelligent debate
on serious issues: all this is the stuff of conventional wisdom about US
politics.
But what the daily news from Tallahassee revealed was that the world's most
technologically advanced nation can't even get its voting machines to count
accurately. And that counting by hand might be unconstitutional - which is
rather like outlawing running as a sport because nowadays everyone drives.
And that the entire chad fiasco was just one of several ways in which the
votes of many Florida citizens (in particular, those likely to be at odds
with the state's Republican rulers) seemed to have been fixed and fiddled
out of existence.
In a country that regards itself as the exemplar of the free world, this is
strange stuff indeed. Whatever voting system you use, there are certain
basics that a modern democracy cannot do without. First, universal suffrage
must mean what it says; second, everyone with a vote should be entitled to
cast it and have it accurately counted; and third, the person with the most
votes should win. On all these tests, American democracy failed. One might
think it can't get much worse than that, but it can and probably will.
This is because the almost certain conclusion of the whole extraordinary
saga will be - absolutely nothing. George W Bush will proclaim, on
numberless occasions, "God bless America", much nonsense will be spouted
about healing a dividing nation and the US will settle down to a festive
season of low-IQ Hollywood movies, in which Americans in various guises
routinely vanquish the rest of the galaxy, with Floridian gerrymandering
and dimpled chads a rapidly fading memory. It is in the nature of
gridlocked systems that they cannot easily unjam themselves.
What does this mean for the rest of us? One of the less edifying aspects of
the Florida interregnum was the way the British news media, notably the
television bulletins, treated it as comic relief. It was a reaction, one is
tempted to remark, that revealed the media's growing incapacity for
joined-up thinking, because what happened in Florida was absolutely no
joke. It was the political equivalent of exploratory surgery - the opening
up of the body politic to searching internal examination. Inside, disease
was found to be rampant. And if it is fair to call George W Bush the
symptom of that disease - certainly it produced him and he has profited
from it - we are all among the sufferers.
If you consider that alarmist, think back to the damage inflicted on the
planet by another "regular guy" who made it to the presidency recently, on
the strength largely of a telegenic manner and corporate backing. Forget
the forces of globalisation that so-called Reaganomics helped unleash in
the 1980s; remember only the wound Ronald Reagan's views on family planning
inflicted on US funding for UN population policies and, by extension, the
lives of millions of people in the developing world.
Twenty years later, the global dimensions of the US presidency are more
pronounced, the issues more critical.  Not only is Bush keen on reinventing
Reagan's Star Wars missile defence system, a move that at its worst could
kick-start a new cold war. It is also said that he discounts global
warming. And here we are on very dangerous territory indeed.
Global warming may now be the single biggest factor shaping the destiny of
the planet. It straddles nations and national political issues. It affects
all of us 

Re: [CTRL] Let's Boycott America

[BB]

 Next time these arrogant dorks find themselves being bombed
to kingdom come,
 I would imagine they would not be calling on us
for any support.
 I also expect that their repayment of foreign aid
checks are in the mail.
 And, you're welcome.
radman wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
Let's Boycott America
http://www.consider.net/forum_new.php3?newTemplate=OpenObjectnewTop=30008858newDisplayURN=200012250006>
US democracy is flawed; its human rights record poor; its greed threatens
the planet. Is it time for the rest of us to act?
by David Nicholson-Lord
Monday 25th December 2000
Whenever one gets unduly depressed about British politics, it is always
worth glancing across the Atlantic to see how bad things can really
get.
Quite what was going through Tony Blair's mind last week when he rang
up to
congratulate George W Bush on the latter's much-disputed achievement
of the
presidency may not be known until he writes his memoirs. But it is
a fair
guess that he had to swallow hard before he picked up the phone. In
Britain, Blair is routinely berated by the right-wing press as a
superficial lightweight, but, by the side of George W, he is a towering
intellectual giant. Sadly, by the side of George W, a frightening number
of
people are.
What is to be done about the United States of America? Put another
way,
how much of a jackass does a man have to be before he's stopped from
being
president?
For a little over a month, from the inconclusive ending on election
night
to the Supreme Court's narrow decision in favour of Bush, the rest
of us
watched in disbelief as the nuts and bolts of American democracy came
apart
before our eyes. One had known that the system was gridlocked - awash
with
unreformed campaign finance, in thrall to business lobbies and focus
groups, obsessed with trivia, incapable of generating an intelligent
debate
on serious issues: all this is the stuff of conventional wisdom about
US
politics.
But what the daily news from Tallahassee revealed was that the world's
most
technologically advanced nation can't even get its voting machines
to count
accurately. And that counting by hand might be unconstitutional - which
is
rather like outlawing running as a sport because nowadays everyone
drives.
And that the entire chad fiasco was just one of several ways in which
the
votes of many Florida citizens (in particular, those likely to be at
odds
with the state's Republican rulers) seemed to have been fixed and fiddled
out of existence.
In a country that regards itself as the exemplar of the free world,
this is
strange stuff indeed. Whatever voting system you use, there are certain
basics that a modern democracy cannot do without. First, universal
suffrage
must mean what it says; second, everyone with a vote should be entitled
to
cast it and have it accurately counted; and third, the person with
the most
votes should win. On all these tests, American democracy failed. One
might
think it can't get much worse than that, but it can and probably will.
This is because the almost certain conclusion of the whole extraordinary
saga will be - absolutely nothing. George W Bush will proclaim, on
numberless occasions, "God bless America", much nonsense will be spouted
about healing a dividing nation and the US will settle down to a festive
season of low-IQ Hollywood movies, in which Americans in various guises
routinely vanquish the rest of the galaxy, with Floridian gerrymandering
and dimpled chads a rapidly fading memory. It is in the nature of
gridlocked systems that they cannot easily unjam themselves.
What does this mean for the rest of us? One of the less edifying aspects
of
the Florida interregnum was the way the British news media, notably
the
television bulletins, treated it as comic relief. It was a reaction,
one is
tempted to remark, that revealed the media's growing incapacity for
joined-up thinking, because what happened in Florida was absolutely
no
joke. It was the political equivalent of exploratory surgery - the
opening
up of the body politic to searching internal examination. Inside, disease
was found to be rampant. And if it is fair to call George W Bush the
symptom of that disease - certainly it produced him and he has profited
from it - we are all among the sufferers.
If you consider that alarmist, think back to the damage inflicted on
the
planet by another "regular guy" who made it to the presidency recently,
on
the strength largely of a telegenic manner and corporate backing. Forget
the forces of globalisation that so-called Reaganomics helped unleash
in
the 1980s; remember only the wound Ronald Reagan's views on family
planning
inflicted on US funding for UN population policies and, by extension,
the
lives of millions of people in the developing world.
Twenty years later, the global dimensions of the US presidency are
more
pronounced, the issues more critical. Not only is Bush keen on
reinventing
Reagan's Star Wars missile defence system, a move that at its worst
could
kick-start a new cold war. It is also 

[CTRL] The Corporate Conservative Administration

[radman]

-Caveat Lector-

The Corporate Conservative Administration
By Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman

Compassionate conservativism?

Try corporate conservativism. It's corporate conservatism that is going to
be the defining feature of the Bush White House.

Pushing beyond the corporate corrupting frontiers blazed by the Clinton
administration, the Bush team is making clear that it intends to deliver
on its campaign promises to strengthen Big Business's grip over government
policy-making.

The Bush cabinet is drawing on corporate executives as much or more than
any previous administration. Andrew Card, set to be Bush's chief of staff,
moves to the White House from a posting as General Motors vice president.
Previous to that position, he ran the auto industry's lobby shop. Bush has
tapped Paul O'Neill, chair of Alcoa, to head his Treasury Department. Bush
crony Don Evans, the Commerce Secretary-designee, is CEO of Tom Brown,
Inc., an oil company. Donald Rumsfeld, the Bush nominee to head the
Pentagon, is former CEO of G.D. Searle and of General Instrument, and has
held a variety of other top corporate posts. Bush's nominee for Veterans
Affairs Secretary, Anthony Principi, is president of a wireless
telecommunications company. National Security Adviser-designate Condoleeza
Rice is a member of the board of directors of Chevron (which has
christened an oil tanker, the Condoleeza Rice) and Charles Schwab, and is
a member of J.P. Morgan's International Advisory Council.

Of course, both George W. Bush and Dick Cheney (CEO of Haliburton, the oil
services firm) themselves both come from the oil industry.

Bush's transition team is dominated by high donors and corporate
interests. Of the 474 individuals on the transition team, 261 made
political contributions during the last election cycle, the Center for
Responsive Politics reports -- and 95 percent of the $5.3 million they
contributed went to Republican candidates or the Republican Party.

Even more telling is the overwhelming corporate background of the
transition team members.

The transition team for the Department of Energy, for example, is almost
exclusively made up of people affiliated with or working for the
extractive energy industry. Companies and outfits represented include:
Phillips Petroleum, Enron, Kennecott, Southern California Edison, the
National Mining Association and the Nuclear Energy Institute.

For the Department of Health and Human Services transition, the drug,
biotech, insurance and hospital industries are set to have their way. The
transition team includes representatives from Merck, the American Hospital
Association, Mutual of Omaha, BIO (the biotech trade group), Ernst and
Young and the National Association of Health Underwriters.

On the Department of Labor transition team, you find two members of the
Teamsters, and no other labor-affiliated representatives. Instead, the
transition team comes from Union Pacific, the National Restaurant
Association, the American Trucking Association, the National Mining
Association, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Society of Human
Resource Managers.

It's unlikely that the transition team members -- at least as a body --
had much influence over Bush's cabinet appointments, but they may well
have significant sway in the hiring of second- and third-tier officials.
These are the people who get their hands dirty on policy details, and can
deliver the goodies to the corporate paymasters.

More ceremonial posts are being parceled out with a machine-like
efficiency to high donors and top fundraisers.

Inaugural Committee Co-Chairs Bill and Kathy DeWitt and Mercer and
Gabrielle Reynolds come from the Cincinnati-based investment firm
Reynolds, DeWitt and Company. Bill DeWitt and Gabrielle Reynolds were
co-chairs of the Ohio Bush-Cheney Finance Committee. Other members of the
inaugural committee sport similar resumes.

Following in the Clinton-Gore footsteps, Bush-Cheney are soliciting
private funds for the inauguration. While Clinton-Gore at least restricted
the donations to $100 or less, however, Bush-Cheney are banking on major
donors. More than 50 individuals have each contributed $100,000 or more to
the inauguration committee.

Bush's economic summit, held earlier this month in Austin, was actually a
get-together with business leaders. The Austin meeting featured 36 top
corporate executives, including such major Republican donors as Kenneth
Lay of Enron, John T. Chambers of Cisco and Michael Dell of Dell Computer.

As you would imagine, this turn of events has corporate American dancing
in the streets. "They are happy, certainly," Jim Albertine, president of
the American League of Lobbyists, told the Boston Globe, speaking of his
association's members. "There is a strong belief that a lot of things will
be reopened."

--
Russell Mokhiber is editor of the Washington, D.C.-based Corporate Crime
Reporter. Robert Weissman is editor of the Washington, D.C.-based
Multinational Monitor. They 

Re: [CTRL] Check out The Jerusalem Post Newspaper : Online NewsFromIsrael -...

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Carl Amedio wrote:

 -Caveat Lector-

 In a message dated 1/11/01 11:43:19 AM Central Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  hank you Ahab.now if biblical "prophecies" come true 5 nations will
  beat the hell out of Israel even thought they are trigger happy killers
  at this point under Ehud .
   
 Why what a nice thought.  I hope the Israelis nuke the Saudi oil fields
 before the go down in your senario. never again!!! We go every body goes!
  Gentiles for Israel!!!


Unfortunately Carl, you are probably right. If Israel goes the region goes
and we will see what life is like post-nuclear.

Not everyone is as stupid as Saba.

J2

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[CTRL] Your Typical Democratic Voter

[Amelia]

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Your Typical Democratic Voter
Neal Boortz
Thursday, Jan. 4, 2001
Has this ever happened to you? You're driving down the road when you come up
behind a car with a Gore/Lieberman bumper sticker. As you pass, you sneak a
quick glance at the driver. You want to see just what type of person wants
to advertise advocacy of the concepts of big government and less personal
freedom. You look at them and say to yourself, "What could they be
thinking?"
For most of these Democratic voters, the answer is "Nothing." They aren't
thinking. They're reacting. We'll admit there are quite a few Democrats who
do think. We can even read their thoughts. It's not hard to do. Here are
some examples:

I'm tired of taking care of myself. It's not fair to expect me to work hard
to provide for my own needs. I'll vote Democratic and let them take care of
me.

Rich people get their money dishonestly. Democrats will get that money back
from those evil rich people through high taxes and spend it on me.

Guns cause crime, and Democrats want to take all the guns away. I also think
wet streets cause rain.

I'm a trial lawyer. Democrats won't allow any laws to be passed that might
make it harder for me to get multimillion-dollar judgments from huge
corporations for imagined wrongs and injuries.

I'm black. Democrats are willing to validate my victim status.

Some people who vote Democratic actually do put some thought into the
matter, but they're in the minority. The truth is people who vote Democratic
show a strong aversion to anything that resembles rational thought.

Here's an example, a letter to the editor that recently appeared in the
Atlanta Constitution written by a computer programmer named Stella
Chamberlain:

It's too bad that George Will's insightful column, "Bureaucratic
zero-tolerance often arrests common sense" (Dec. 25), comes years too late.
The groundwork for nabbing subway-snacking, Tweety-Bird-toting preteens was
laid when the right wing impeached a president for a private relationship
that had ended without injury to anyone. Had Hidden Law been applied to
President Clinton, as it was to JFK and Rep. Henry Hyde, Americans would
have been spared two years of incivility.

A double standard is being perpetuated by Will's friends in the American
Enterprise Institute: If a Democrat does something wrong, apply bureaucratic
legalism - crucify him or her. If a Republican does it, apply Hidden Law -
wink and call it a youthful indiscretion.

Can anyone show me any hint of a rational thought process in this letter?
This, my friends, is the typical Democratic voter. Chamberlain actually
believes that Bill Clinton was impeached "for a private relationship."

How in the hell can anyone of moderate intelligence, an ability to read and
access to a newspaper not know that Bill Clinton was impeached for perjury
and obstruction of justice, not for a private relationship? This was a man
who swore to God that he would "uphold the laws of the United States" and
then intentionally broke those laws.

Sadly, Chamberlain probably does believe that Clinton was impeached because
he fiddled around with Monica Lewinsky. This, my friends, is why she votes
Democrat. In blunt terms, it's because she doesn't have a clue.

What can the future of freedom be when there are people out there who
"think" like this?

Voting Breakdowns

We now have more statistics from the presidential election. They may
surprise you. Then again, maybe they won't.

. Past winners of the Academy Award (movie stars, producers, directors) gave
40 times more money to Democrats and Greens than they did to Republicans.

. Among the 15 percent of voters who make more than $100,000 per year,
George W. Bush won only 54 percent of the vote.

. Among the 4 percent of the electorate who describe their social status as
"upper class," Al Gore won 56 percent to 39 percent.

. Single people picked Gore over Bush, 58 percent to 37 percent.

. Married people preferred Bush, 54 percent to 44 percent.

. Single women chose Gore, 66 percent to 30 percent.

. Married women's votes were split evenly between Gore and Bush.

. Working women favored Gore by 19 points.

. Stay-at-home women backed Bush by 20 points.

. 80 percent of Jews gave their vote to the Gore-Lieberman ticket.

. 70 percent of gays and lesbians pledged allegiance to Gore.

The Hollywood numbers just confirm what we've known for years: Movie and TV
luminaries have lots of money but not much brainpower. They have more money
than sense - and they're perfectly willing to show compassion with someone
else's money.

And we also see why women simply don't need to vote. They'll come out in
droves to support the candidate who promises to give them more security and
less personal responsibility. They don't give a flying damn about freedom.
Nor do the dependent classes. All they want is what they can get from the
government.

Democratic Sour Grapes

Ohio Democratic Representative James Traficant is in a bit of a pickle. He

[CTRL] Car Bomb in Colombia Hurts 40

[Amelia]

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Car Bomb in Colombia Hurts 40


Updated 11:04 PM ET January 10, 2001
BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) - A car bomb exploded in a shopping center parking lot
in Colombia's second largest city Wednesday, injuring more than 40 people
and setting vehicles ablaze.
There were no immediate reports of deaths from the explosion in an
underground parking garage in Medellin, 155 miles northwest of the capital,
Bogota.

"It was a super-strong explosion," said witness Fernando Monsalve, who
described seeing the wounded stagger from the smoke-filled garage.

No group immediately claimed responsibility for the blast.

Medellin Fire Department chief Capt. Gabriel Jaime Bedoya told Caracol radio
that 41 injured people were taken to hospitals.

Leftist rebels and a right-wing paramilitary group are battling for control
of the Colombian countryside in a worsening 36-year civil war.

The car bombing recalled the days when the Medellin Cartel, a
drug-trafficking gang, waged a terror campaign in the 1980s and early 1990s
to fight extraditions to the United States. The Medellin Cartel was

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Re: [CTRL] Relativity or are Republicans evil?

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 Actually, he was golfing and fishing.



Worse. What a cold blooded guy. I'm sure glad he's not MY dad.

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Re: [CTRL] Your Typical Democratic Voter

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All they want is what they can get from the government.

Two words: corporate welfare

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Re: [CTRL] Release: Linda Chavez (Fwd)

[William Shannon]

In a message dated 1/11/01 1:34:02 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Linda Chavez's only crime: She's not a
preening hypocrite like other politicians

Nah!
Her "crimes" include a real one-Harboring an illegal alien, and perhaps even employing one, and not paying SS on her.
And another, she lied via omission in not mentioning this situation to her vettors AND ALSO she tried to cover this whole situation up with calls to neighbors.

Tsk tsk Ms. Chavez...now you can go back to writing small minded columns in which you parrot the extreme right/republican line.

Bill.

[CTRL] Is Echelon Over-hyped?

[William Shannon]

 by Jeffrey Richelson



The fear that "big brother" might be monitoring our private communications is not new. It's no wonder that when a January 1998 report to the European Parliament, An Appraisal of Technologies of Political Control, claimed that "within Europe, all e-mail, telephone, and fax communications are routinely intercepted by the United States National Security Agency, transferring all target information from the European mainland . . . to Fort Meade in Maryland," it triggered a political controversy that continues to this day. The study also asserted that the key to the eavesdropping operation was a system code-named "Echelon," designed to indiscriminately intercept the non-military communications of governments, private organizations, and businesses on behalf of the United States and its primary partners in the decades-old UKUSA signals inte!
lligence alliance--Britain, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand. Items of intelligence value are selected by computer identification of keywords provided by the UKUSA nations. In response to extensive press coverage across Europe, the European Parliament commissioned a second report that focused exclusively on Echelon and communications intelligence. Sweden's foreign minister promised to investigate whether Swedish companies were harmed by U.S. spying. Last October, activists on both sides of the Atlantic participated in "Jam Echelon Day" by sending a high volume of communications containing words, such as "terrorism," which they expected to be on the keyword list, in hopes of overloading the system. The Australian and New Zealand public have also taken an interest. And in the United States, the conservative Free Congress Foundation issued a report on the topic titled Echelon: America's Secret Global Surveillance Network. T!
he American Civil Liberties Union maintains an "Echelon Watch" section on its web site, at www.aclu.org/ echelonwatch. The controversy has even reached into the halls of Congress, where Cong. Porter Goss of Florida, the Republican chair of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, requested that the National Security Agency (NSA provide internal documents that would help reassure the committee that U.S. signals intelligence activities are not violating the privacy rights of Americans. Meanwhile, at the instigation of Republican Cong. Bob Barr of Georgia, hearings are scheduled for the current session of Congress to explore that issue. The fear, press coverage, and rhetoric surrounding Echelon begs the question: could this be a case where life is imitating art? A number of recent films (Sneakers, Enemy of the State, Mercury Rising, The Shadow Conspiracy) depict the NSA as an organization that ignores legal r!
estraints in pursuit of its vision of national security (and career advancement for key personnel). It is possible that some of the reporting and oratory concerning Echelon may be as over-the-top as these films, in which NSA officials also casually authorize murder, even of small children.

The Echelon network That the UKUSA alliance, particularly as a result of U.S. efforts, operates an electronic eavesdropping network with global reach should come as no surprise. The National Reconnaissance Office maintains a constellation of geosynchronous, elliptically orbiting, and low-earth orbiting satellites that intercept communications, missile telemetry, and radar emanations. Civilian and military personnel run satellite ground stations in Britain, Germany, Australia, and Colorado which control the satellites and receive the intercepted signals. The Air Combat Command and the navy fly a variety of planes equipped to scoop up communications and other electronic signals. Nor has the end of the Cold War led to the termination of ship-based signals intelligence collection or submarine reconnaissance operations--including operations to tap undersea cables. Ground intercept sites also continue to be part of the eaves!
dropping network. While the United States closed down a number of stations in the aftermath of the Cold War--particularly those that intercepted high-frequency military communications--ground sites still form an important part of the UKUSA network. One particular set of ground stations is devoted to the interception of satellite communications--or the "COMSAT intercept mission." According to much of the press coverage, Echelon is the code word for the UKUSA "global surveillance network." But it is not, nor is there any code word for the overall U.S. or UKUSA "SIGINT (Signals Intelligence) apparatus. Rather, the U.S. system is known as the United States Sigint System (USSS). Echelon is, however, very real. Its existence was first revealed by British investigative reporter Duncan Campbell in an August 12, 1988 New Statesman article. In 1996, New Zealand peace activist Nicky Hager provided a detailed description of the pr!
ogram in his book, Secret Power: New Zealand's Role in the International Spy Network, an 

Re: [CTRL] Patience

[Kelly]

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Hilarious!  Using the patience of a people from a communist county like
China to illustrate a libertarian dream - bizarre.

On the other hand, it was interesting from a botanical point of view.

Kelly

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[CTRL] Bilderberg Wants Warmer Relations with Cuba

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Here I agree with the cabal!
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Bilderberg Wants Warmer Relations with Cuba
A new report by the Council on Foreign Relations reveals that the globalist elite are still hungering to open up Cuba to their brand of business.

Exclusive to The SPOTLIGHT

By James P. Tucker Jr.

The Council on Foreign Relations, the propaganda ministry of the secret Bil derberg group, wants the United States to pursue a warmer business relationship with Cuba while suggesting that military action may be necessary in the future.

"In the past, political instability in Cuba has repeatedly created pressures for U.S. intervention on and around the island," the CFR report said. "Many future scenarios could unleash these types of pressures on the United States.

"There are many possible future scenarios that could lead to pressures for the United States to intervene militarily" when the regime of aging Fidel Castro comes to an end, the CFR said. "Poli cymakers must be prepared for the worst case."

The CFR called for such initiatives in a report released in Washington Nov. 29.

Among the report's authors were Janice O'Connell, senior foreign policy assistant to Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.), a Bilderberg member, and Jay Muzur, a member of its brother group, the Tri lateral Commission.

Recommendations included allowing unlimited "family visits" with a broader definition of "family." It would end limits on how much money Cubans in the Uni ted States can send to the island na tion. Cubans living in this country could count, for income tax purposes, fa mily members still in Cuba as "dependents."

"Retired and/or disabled Cuban Ameri cans [should] be able to return to Cuba if they choose, collecting Social Se curity, Medicare and other pension benefits to which they are entitled in the Uni ted States," the report said.

It called on the government to educate Cubans on "the available legal mechanisms" for bringing in more of their relatives as immigrants.

American companies whose property was seized when Castro came to power 40 years ago should be allowed to settle their claims through a "joint venture" with Cuban enterprises, the report said.

Without specifying an amount, the CFR called for making "federal funds available to support people-to-people ex changes," for virtually eliminating all tra vel restrictions and permitting direct airline flights to and from the island.


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[CTRL] Cubans May Be Active Near U.S-Mexican Border

[William Shannon]

Scott Gulbransen

Cubans May Be Active Near U.S-Mexican Border - 1/2/2001

In another disturbing development, more foreign troops and military advisors have been reported near the U.S.-Mexican border near San Diego.

Several U.S. and Mexican officials have reported to the Strategic Jungle Syndicate over the past three weeks sightings and reports of Cuban military advisors in the area.

One Mexican law enforcement source said the heaviest activity and most sightings have occurred in between the Baja California border towns of Tijuana and Mexicali. Numerous reports of Cuban military officials emerging from the desert and countryside to buy supplies and run them back to remote camps have sprouted up since the beginning of October.

One Mexican official said the Cubans have become well known to the villagers due to their friendly demeanor and ability to pay top prices for supplies.

A Mexican factory worker stated her brother had been hired by a Cuban man out of Mexicali to help construct a retaining wall some 20 miles southeast of Mexicali.

“The men with my brother made nearly $300 to help build this wall in two
days,” the worker said. “They called the boss ‘Fidel’ because he had a
beard just like Castro.”

The woman said two American men and one Asian male who all spoke Spanish and English accompanied the Cubans. All were dressed in military clothing. The Cubans wore olive green uniforms without markings and the Americans and Asian were wearing Mexican army fatigues.

“You can tell the Cubans because they speak so fast,” she said. “My brother said they had many tents and vehicles but everything was covered.”

When asked what people think about Cubans in Mexico, the factory worker shrugged it off.

“They seem to be doing something with the army so it’s no big deal. They’re nice and they have been spending a lot of money which is good for Mexicali.”

The reports of Cuban military personnel in Mexico come on the heels of an announcement last week between the Castro government and China. The agreement calls for more military cooperation between the two countries including joint military operational exercises and the sale of military hardware to the Castro regime.

American law enforcement sources also report continued sightings of Asian soldiers in border areas. After the Oct. 24, 2000, shooting incident involving Border Patrol agents and what appeared to be Chinese soldiers in Mexican army uniforms near Otay Mesa, sightings have increased but no further incidents have been reported.

“We continue to hear reports from illegals coming across the border that swear they have seen Chinese soldiers dressed like Mexicans,” a senior San Diego law enforcement officer said. “No one is paying attention but there is a core of officers who know what is going on and we’re worried. Being an ex-military guy it scares the hell out of me.”

Due to the massive migration of illegal farm workers north to better paying jobs in the United States, word is now starting to leak out. Although no major mainstream media outlets have covered the story, people in the border regions from San Diego to the Texas Panhandle are growing concerned. 

“We suddenly find ourselves in a situation where now two Communist nations have soldiers on our southern border,” the San Diego official said. “There are two questions you need to ask yourself: why isn’t our government doing something and what are the Mexican’s up to?”

With the popular shift in government in Mexico, the masses seem to be happy with their new president, Vincente Fox. But Fox’s “globalization” mentality has many concerned that he may know of these troops within his country and is choosing simply to do nothing about it.

“Just as Americans were distracted by your election mess the people in Mexico are drunk on Vincente Fox,” the Mexican law enforcement official said. “They don’t care what he’s doing yet so no one is paying attention. It’s still a party.”

The increased activity on the borders is becoming louder but is anyone listening?

“I really don’t know what’s going on but people in those areas need to keep an open eye and a keen ear,” a San Diego County Sheriff’s deputy said. “They’re up to something and I know I’m getting real nervous.”

© 2000 Strategic Jungle Syndicate

Scott Gulbransen is an executive in one of the country's top Public Relations firms. He has been the host of his own radio show and has written articles for several newspapers.

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[CTRL] DVT

[Johannes Schmidt III]

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http://leviathan.weblogs.com

http://www.theage.com.au/breaking/0101/12/A13128-2001Jan12.shtml

An MP has revealed that Australian airlines have made a number of out-of-court 
settlements with people who have suffered DVT (Deep Veined Thrombosis) clots during 
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[CTRL] Skolnick-AMERICA'S GREAT FAIRY TALES

[William Shannon]

AMERICA'S GREAT FAIRY TALES Part One
1/10/01 by Sherman H. Skolnick

Fairy Tale #1
NATIONS, NOT THE UNITED STATES, HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF FRAUDULENT ELECTIONS. IN THE U.S., ELECTIONS ARE GENERALLY HONEST. Realities
At key points in U.S. history, the elections have been a gigantic fraud upon the American common people. Part of a post-Civil War struggle as to how to handle the conquered South, the Election of 1876 is depicted in Gore Vidal's book "1876", re-issued strangely just before the year 2000 alleged Presidential "Election". Much of what happened in the year 2000 alleged "Election" is very similar if not prophetically the same as in that book. [Visit our website for details on the alleged "Election" of 2000.] A corrupt compromise of the 1876 fraudulent election, was to reverse the small gains of blacks. In the Reconstruction Period, following 1876, voting, holding public office, and other rights of blacks, under the newly minted 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments, were crushed and not restored, even in part, until almost 100 years later, IF THEN. In the year 2000 alleged "Election", under the sham and excuse of "defective ballots", so!
me two million blacks, nationwide, were deprived of having their votes counted. As a consequence, there is a perception that the equal rights of blacks are in the process, like after 1876, of being blatantly reversed. And as a possible result, the ultra-rich, favoring Divide and Conquer among ordinary people, black and white, are instigating conditions that may lead to new racial disharmony if not outright racial riots. [Some rightly estimate that the rejected black ballots would have been a large per centage for candidate Gore. How would the oil-soaked monopoly press explain away that large of a plurality for Gore in the national popular vote? And how to explain away that Bush became President by a strange decision of the U.S. Supreme Court, blocking manual recounting of questioned ballots? And how to explain away that Bush was allegedly "elected" by two votes in the Electoral College under the most unusual circumstances, li!
ke 1876?] A sinister side-light The last time a "Black Messiah" showed up to aid the aspirations of people of color, the Establishment, with their secret political police, the FBI and the CIA, had him assassinated and the murder blamed, naturally, on a "lone assassin". For details as to Dr. King, visit our website. Fairy Tale #2
THE JUDGES OF THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES HAVE GENERALLY BEEN PERSONS OF HIGH STANDARDS AND THE COURT HAS BEEN HIGHLY REPUTABLE. Realities
In 1856, the high court, promoting the position of slave-owners, made the Dred Scott decision. Blacks were proclaimed and adjudicated to be chattel, mere baggage, that could be transported from place to place. Despite all the later bloodshed, this decision is still on the law books. In the process of U.S. Senate ratification of his appointment to the U.S. Supreme Court, in 1991, Clarence Thomas, an"Uncle Tom" to some, mouthed off about "natural justice" and was apparently just about to state in his televised hearings, that the Dred Scott decision was proper under his theory of "natural justice". The driving force and bigbucks behind his high court appointment was Senator John C. Danforth [R., Missouri]. Danforth has been the heir to the Ralston-Purina, pet food and other items, fortune. Thomas had been an office employee assisting Danforth. While Thomas was a Federal Appeals Judge in the District of Columbia Circuit, he made !
a decision, WITHOUT DISQUALIFYING HIMSELF AS HE WAS OBLIGATED TO DO UNDER FEDERAL STATUTES, favoring Danforth in eleven million dollars. Interesting detail Danforth won election to the U.S. Senate in 1976, where he remained for 18 years, as a result of a sabotaged plane crash removing his Democrat opponent. In 2000, Mel Carnahan running for U.S. Senate, and his son, and office aide, all died in a sabotaged plane crash in Missouri just after debating Carnahan opponent, John Ashcroft. And this was just prior to the Gore/Bush presidential candidate debate in St. Louis. Carnahan reportedly had documents with him on the plane which he planned to give to Gore, showing tremendous financial and other scandals incriminating George W. Bush. The documents disappeared in the crash zone at the hands of the secret police, the FBI, or persons claiming to be FBI. [Do I understand airplane sabotage? In 1973, my book, "The Secret History of Ai!
rplane Sabotage" was blocked in the printing cycle by Rockefeller-owned United Air Lines. No copies are now available.] For several decades early in the 19th century, John Marshall was Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. In Chicago, a law school is named after him. The Establishment falsely portrays him as a great pillar of honor. A heavily documented book, however, shows the massive corruption involving Chief Justice Marshall, including huge land grabs by his relatives, litigation which Chief Justice Marshall covered up on 

[CTRL] Fwd: [RWWATCH] Ashcroft Appearance on Schlafly's 1997 Conspiracist Video

[William Shannon]

Ashcroft Appearance on Schlafly's 1997 Conspiracist Video

by Chip Berlet

1/11/01 - Revision 1

John Ashcroft appeared in a 1997 video from Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum
that
portrayed the feminist movement, multiculturalism, reproductive rights, gay
rights, environmental concerns, global cooperation, and even chemical weapons
treaties as part of a secret conspiracy to promote a socialist One World
Government and New World Order.

The video, "Global Governance: The Quiet War Against American
Independence," is
introduced by Schlafly who claims that President Clinton is part of a
conspiracy
outlined by his former professor Carroll Quigley, involving a "small elite" of
"cosmopolitan" and "international" power brokers who are close to
government and
"equally devoted to secrecy and the secret use of financial influence in
political life."

This type of conspiracist allegation is found in the right-wing of the
Republican Party, the Patriot and armed militia movement, and the Far
Right. The
use of language about cosmopolitan international financial elites shows
insensitivity to the historic use of such phrases to promote antisemitic
claims
of an international Jewish banking conspiracy.

Other featured speakers on the video include Jeane Kirkpatrick, former U.S.
Ambassador to the United Nations; Jesse Helms, Chairman, Senate Foreign
Relations Committee; Helen Chenoweth (now Helen Chenoweth-Hage) U.S.
Representative, Idaho; and Patrick Buchanan, identified as a syndicated
columnist  "Crossfire" co-host.

Both Chenoweth and Buchanan have made overtures to the Patriot and militia
movements. In 1997 Rep. Chenoweth introduced a bill co-sponsored by 43 House
members to block a federal plan to designate certain historic waterways
"heritage rivers." The primarily symbolic gesture had been attacked by the
Patriot movement and the overlapping anti-environmentalist "Wise Use" movement
as a federal land grab. Some claimed it was part of a UN-backed New World
Order
initiative. A section of the Eagle Forum video raises similar concerns,
complete
with maps of US territory showing UN/US land grabs. Similar conspiracist
charges
are a regular feature of publications from the John Birch Society.

In early 2000, Chenoweth worked openly with the John Birch Society, a major
Patriot group, in an effort to stop the transfer of the Panama Canal. In
response, Jason F. Isaacson, director of the American Jewish Committee's
Washington Office, wrote a letter to Rep. Chenoweth. Defending the right
of the
Birch Society to express its views in public, Isaacson wrote that, "We
fear that
your invitation to the John Birch Society to speak at Wednesday's
congressional
briefing gives weight and prestige to perspectives that are, and ought to
remain, at the fringes of society...We respectfully urge you to withdraw your
invitation." Issacson said AJC challenged "the wisdom of offering the
Society a
congressional platform from which to promulgate those views - views that for
decades have fueled and thrived on conspiracy theories, nativism, isolationism
and intolerance."

According to the video box for "Global Governance," in the video "You'll
see the
Clinton Administration's dangerous drive to ratify treaties that give global
bureaucrats control over American land, natural resources, private
property, our
economy, and even our children and our families."

Ashcroft is highlighted on the video box, and makes two substantial
appearances
including giving the video's closing comments.

In his first appearance, Ashcroft comments on claims that United Nations
treaties protecting the rights of children are suspect and could result in
overly-intrusive government meddling with parental rights:

"I don't really believe that our government should interfere substantially
with
child rearing. It would be wrong for states to tell parents what they could or
what they should do with their children--or for the federal government.
But when
you take that beyond the state and the federal government to an international
organization that would seek to tell you, for instance, that you couldn't take
your child out of certain sex education classes in our schools, for example; I
think a family ought to have a right to understand what values it supports in
that arena, and to protect the child in relation to those values."

At the end of the video, after repeated attacks on how the United Nations and
international conferences and treaties promote a radical feminist, pro-gay,
abortion on demand agenda that will undermine the American family, Ashcroft
says:

"I simply reject the notion that somehow we can go to countries where there is
less freedom, less respect, less dignity for any affected
population--whether it
be women or children--and get them to tell us what we ought to be doing. I
think
as responsible individuals, given the capacity to make consequential
choices by
our government (and ultimately by God who created us to be free), we don't
need
an international 

[CTRL] American Aid Worker Kidnapped

[Amelia]

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Updated 4:25 PM ET January 10, 2001
By YURI BAGROV, Associated Press Writer
NAZRAN, Russia (AP) - An American working to restore medical care in
war-shattered Chechnya was kidnapped by masked gunmen who pulled him from
his car, forced him into another vehicle and drove away, officials said
Wednesday.

Kenny Gluck, 38, was traveling Tuesday in a four-car convoy of aid workers
near the town of Stariye Atagi, south of the regional capital Grozny, when
unidentified men opened fire on them, according to a statement from the
medical aid group Doctors Without Borders.

The group said in a statement from its Amsterdam office that it was
"outraged by this direct attack on a clearly marked humanitarian convoy."

Other foreign and local employees traveling in the group of cars managed to
escape unharmed, the statement said. Doctors Without Borders - which won the
1999 Nobel Peace Prize - is an international relief agency that provides
medical help in war zones, disaster areas and remote regions.

Doctors Without Borders pulled out of the rebel region in December 1997
following the abductions of aid workers as kidnapping for ransom became
widespread, but returned in December 1999.

Russian authorities blamed the aid workers for not notifying them of their
travels and moving around without military escort.

"Such behavior in Chechnya by citizens of foreign governments and employees
of humanitarian missions are dangerous," Gen. Ivan Babichev, the military
commandant in Chechnya, was quoted as saying by Interfax. "Part of the blame
for this tragedy lies with the international organization."

Doctors Without Borders officials said they give the military two weeks
advance notice of their itineraries. "We never work without permission,"
Moscow mission head Rian van de Braak said.

Hundreds of people - foreign aid workers, journalists, Russian soldiers and
local residents - have been kidnapped by armed bands for ransom, especially
after Chechnya descended into anarchy following the expulsion of Russian
troops in a 1994-96 war.

Kidnappers have resorted to extreme cruelty, such as sending videotapes of
the captive's finger being cut off. Victims are often kept chained in pits
or are used as slaves.

Russian officials blamed Chechen rebels for the latest kidnapping. But a
Chechen spokesman, Movladi Udugov, said in an interview with Deutsche Welle
radio's Russian service that Chechens were not responsible.

He pointed at Russian troops, saying the abduction occurred in an area where
troops have posts every 200 yards. "It is impossible to kidnap anyone
without the knowledge of Russian soldiers," he said.

Doctors Without Borders said it didn't know who was behind the kidnapping.

Gluck, whose home town was not immediately made public, was regional head of
mission for the group and traveled around Chechnya assessing health care
needs.

He was sharply critical of the Russian military in an article he wrote that
was published on the organization's Web site, saying soldiers refused to let
wounded civilians pass checkpoints to reach hospitals.

Although the town of Stariye Atagi has been under Russian control since
February, its hospital "is still without sufficient medicines and
equipment," Gluck wrote. "It has received no support whatsoever from the
Russian government."

Russian troops returned to Chechnya in 1999 after rebels based there invaded
a neighboring region and after apartment bombings in Moscow and other cities
killed about 300 people. The Russian government blamed rebels for the
blasts.

Russian officials also cited the wave of kidnappings as justification for a
military campaign in the region.

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[CTRL] The politics of hate

[Amelia]

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The politics of hate
If we must talk about hate crimes, then we should also include the hate
speech liberals regularly employ against Republicans and conservatives.

- - - - - - - - - - - -
By David Horowitz

Oct. 30, 2000 | This year it seems especially appropriate that Halloween
falls the week before Election Day. And that timing hasn't been lost on the
Democrats, who have found new and creatively deceptive ways to spook voters.
One official Democratic Web site offers a spoof on a popular horror film --
Iknowwhatyoudidintexas.com. With features like "The Bush Record: Our
chilling favorites -- sometimes the truth is scarier than fiction," the site
aims to frighten visitors about George W. Bush's supposed legacy in Texas
and the policies he and the Republicans would impose on an unsuspecting
American public if elected. The site also provides this dire warning:
"Nothing is more terrifying than the official platforms of the Republican
Party and its state parties."

Nothing? Saddam Hussein? A ballistic missile tipped with anthrax? Returning
home, after a one-night-stand, to face Mrs. Clinton?
Somewhere in Michigan, the sister of James Byrd, the African-American
tortured and lynched in rural Texas two years ago, is trotted out by Al
Gore's campaign to accuse Bush of being soft on hate crimes, and thus
implicitly of being a racist-lover himself. Somewhere on television, an
"independent expenditures ad," funded by the NAACP National Voter Fund (a
tax-exempt organization helmed by two former Democratic legislators), is
airing images of the lynching, while making the case against Bush even more
directly.

Meanwhile, Iknowwhatyoudidintexas.com has this to add to the tragedy: "When
faced with one of the most horrendous crimes motivated by racial hatred in
recent memory, Bush chose to sit on the sidelines and not lead in expanding
and strengthening laws against those kinds of crimes."

A pack of fear-laced lies.

The men who murdered Byrd by dragging him behind a pickup truck in Texas
have been condemned to death or life in prison by Texas courts under
existing Texas law, which includes a hate crimes bill that has been on the
books since 1993.

Moreover, Byrd's killing wasn't the most horrendous crime motivated by
racial hatred in recent memory. An 8-year-old boy named Kevin Shifflett was
murdered last April in the very shadow of the nation's capital. Kevin was
killed by a 29-year-old African-American, who screamed racial epithets at
the youngster and slit his throat with a butcher knife, as the boy was
playing on the sidewalk in front of his great-grandparents' house. In
contrast to the killing of Byrd, which became the subject of much
presidential hand-wringing, Capitol Hill grandstanding and national outrage
in the press, Kevin's murder was not even reported as a racial crime. To
this day, it has been systematically and consciously kept out of the public
eye. Collaborators in this suppression include local authorities, the media
and every hypocritical organization -- the Democratic Party and the NAACP
foremost among them --  that claims to oppose racial violence and stand up
for civil rights.

For four months following the atrocity, the local police in Alexandria, Va.,
where the crime took place, actively suppressed the racial identities of
Kevin and his attacker. Now that the race of perpetrator and victim are
known, and the racist motive of the attacker is clear (the assailant was
previously imprisoned for a hammer attack in which he allegedly called his
victim "whitey" and left a racist note in his hotel room around the time of
Kevin's stabbing about "killing them racist white kids"), the crime has
still not been declared a "hate crime," and the nation still could care less
about Kevin Shifflett's fate.

Far from regarding Kevin's slashing as a "hate crime," Democrats involved in
the case are on record praising the police gag order, and they are anxious
to keep the racial aspects of the crime hidden. Alexandria Democrat and City
Council member Joyce Woodson said of the police suppression: "What they did
was proper. We already live in a racially charged world. I don't think
knowing that would have any impact on the way they investigated the case. It
could have colored their approach in ways that would have been
inappropriate." Democratic Mayor Kerry Donley and council member William
Euille agreed. And even those vocal congressional advocates of hate crime
legislation, Reps. Barney Frank, D-Mass., and Maxine Waters, D-Calif., have
maintained a silence about Kevin's fate that speaks louder than words.

Evidently, hate crimes against 8-year-olds -- if they are white -- are OK
with liberals. This is one reason why Republicans like Bush have opposed
hate crime legislation directed at specific groups like gays (laws that
would be the human equivalent of the Endangered Species Act). Why should
gays be protected from hate by heterosexuals, but not heterosexuals from
hate by gays? (Remember the violent 

Re: [CTRL] CKLN Mind Control Radio Series Tape #27a K. Sullivan

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Dear List,

Below please find the url for this radio interview transcript. This may be
heavy for survivors of abuse.

Sincerely,  Neil Brick

excerpt from http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/project192.html



"WM: When you were receiving these memories, how did they come back? In
different senses, or how did your memories come back to you?

KS: A lot of times I might hear a sound that wasn't in the room and I
recognized that because it wasn't in the room, that it was a sound memory
starting to come up, or that part of a memory. Sometimes I would hear
somebody talking to me ... my father or the voice of another person that a
lot of times I could recognize from my childhood. Sometimes it would be a
certain smell. Or I would be eating and all of a sudden the food looked
extremely unappetizing. I had a lot of physical memories of being raped when
nothing was happening physically at the current time, it was all body memory.
I had a lot of visual memory and then I started having some recurring dreams.
When I started writing them, and allowed myself to explore that part of what
was coming up in my mind ... I would spend hours and hours ... sometimes half
a day just sitting there and writing them up, and reliving them as I wrote,
and believe me, that was not fun either. Even now, I can look back on a lot
of that stuff, and go "wow" "yeah, this really did happen". It's been
amazing.

WM: What you are saying is that your father basically was carrying out
trauma-based conditioning on you ... at what point did you become aware that
this was being done for the purpose of mind control?

KS: That again was in the summer of 1991. It wasn't until I remembered the
government connection and remembered that I had been used as an assassin. I
am fortunate on this in a way, because the memories came up and alter
personalities came out before I was able to find information about these
types of activities. I was feeling crazy when that stuff came out. I wanted
to believe that I had made it all up, but I thought "omigosh if I made it all
up", even subconsciously, then I am really crazy. It was a very difficult
time. I went back and forth in denial a lot. When the information kept coming
up, and the alter personalities kept coming out very consistently, I realized
I couldn't keep denying it. If something that serious had been done to me and
I had been used to do it, then I was in danger presently and the more I could
accept this stuff, and accept the alter personalities and fuse with them, the
better I would be aware of what was going on around me now."

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Re: [CTRL] Cubans May Be Active Near U.S-Mexican Border

[Nessie]

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Several U.S. and Mexican officials 

One Mexican law enforcement source 

Numerous reports

One Mexican official said 

A Mexican factory worker 

  American law enforcement sources 

“We continue to hear reports

word is now starting to leak out 

people in the border  regions from San Diego to the Texas Panhandle are
growing concerned.

illegals coming across the border that  swear they have seen Chinese
soldiers dressed like Mexicans

the San Diego official said 


Not a single name. Hmn. 

Where’d this guy go to journalism school, anyway?



 what appeared to be Chinese soldiers in   Mexican army uniforms 

How exactly do people “appear to be Chinese soldiers in Mexican army
uniforms”?  Does this guy mean they were  of Asian descent? Does he
forget that Mexico is a nation of immigrants and that there are large
communities of Filipino-Mexicans and Chinese-Americans, or that Mexico
City boasts the hemisphere’s third largest Chinatown?



no major mainstream media outlets have covered the story

It’s not a story. It’s not even  hearsay. It’s alleged hearsay.


Scott Gulbransen is an executive in one of the country's top Public
Relations   firms. 

So he’s an ad man. Well, that would certainly explain a lot.

BTW, I notice that he doesn’t mention WHICH public relations firm it is.



He has been the host of his own radio show and has written articles
for several newspapers. 

And Hitler liked to sketch, but that didn’t make him an architect.

Until it is conclusively proven otherwise, I’m going to assume that
Scott Gulbransen (or someone using him for a front) made this stuff up
from whole cloth, in order to spread paranoia and jingoism among the
American public. This stuff sounds exactly like the long string of bald
faced lies that Goebbles and company put out to psych the German public
up for Operation Canned Meat.

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[CTRL] Fw: URGENT!!! Please forward to everyone you know......

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I neither endorse nor reject the following post but am merely forwarding it
as asked as it was received.
Amelia
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Web site address:  http://www.larrynichols.com for more information
I'm sending both plain text (below) and an MS Word document attachment
(easier to read if you have MS Word).Please read right away!!!


WAKE UP AMERICA
If you love your country, you must read ALL of this.
DOES BILL CLINTON INTEND TO STAY IN THE WHITE HOUSE
The election is over and the courts have made their decisions and George W.
Bush is the President-elect.  Everything is OK now S so why are some of us
getting the feeling WEVE BEEN HAD?
Consider this.  If you were President of the United States and your final
term was coming to an end, wouldnt you be thinking about where you were
going to live when January 20th rolled around?  Wouldnt you be looking for
somewhere to call home?  And wouldnt you start the process in time for the
Secret Service to prepare your new home so that they could properly protect
you?  BILL CLINTON DIDNT DO THIS!
You say he has the home in New York to go to, but from all accounts that is
Hillarys.  Well, theyre husband and wife so they will live there together.
If thats true then the persistent rumors out of Washington that the Clinton
s are divorcing must be wrong, but if they are, then why is Hillary getting
a reported eight million dollar advance on her book where shes going to
tell all about Bill?  Hardly the kind of thing you would do if you wanted to
stay married.
Then there is the new multi-million dollar estate in D.C. that Hillary just
bought.  Thats right, Hillarys buying it, not Bill and Hillary.  Bill says
that he wants her to have it so hell have a place to visit her.  These are
the very questions that former Clinton associate Larry Nichols has been
asking during talk show appearances and on his website
(http://www.larrynichols.com/).  Only after Nichols had been asking this
question for several weeks did the mainstream media pick up on the fact that
Bill Clinton had no place to go to when he left office.  When Clinton
staffers were asked about it they said the President wants to savor every
moment of his remaining term in office.  Nichols persisted and finally the
stories began to appear that the Clintons were shopping for a home in D.C.,
when in fact it was Hillary and NOT the Clintons.  Were they again
reacting to Larry Nichols?
IS BILL CLINTON LEAVING THE WHITE HOUSE ON JANUARY 20TH
OR DOES HE HAVE SOMETHING ELSE IN MIND?
During the Nixon administration at the peak of the Cold War Congress enacted
Dooms Day legislation intended to allow the President to run the country in
the event that a substantial portion of the government was killed in a
nuclear attack.  That legislation established the Federal Emergency
Management Agency, or FEMA, as it is known.  Youve heard of it during times
of disasters such as earthquakes, floods, tornados and hurricanes.  We think
of it as the disaster agency, but FEMA only recently came to have those
responsibilities.
During the Iran/Contra hearings, Congressman Jack Brooks asked Oliver North
if he were working on a plan that would suspend or circumvent the U.S.
Constitution and allow the present Administration, meaning Reagans
Administration, to continue in office beyond his term limit.  On both
questions Chairman of the Committee Inouye ordered North not to answer and
as a matter of fact suggested to Brooks that if he wanted to continue this
line of questioning that it should be done in closed hearings.  What was it
that Oliver North was working on that Jack Brooks knew about that couldnt
be discussed in open hearings?  It was FEMA, (The Federal Emergency
Management Act).  This was further brought out in a video dealing with the
Iran/Contral war when Congressman Henry Gonzalez made it very clear that a
President could suspend the Constitution, serve beyond his term limit, and
even have American citizens arrested and detained under the auspices of
terrorism as an example and deny them their rights under Constitutional Law.
It is a fact that under FEMA a President may declare a national emergency
and thereby, in effect, make himself the de facto Monarch.  Congress and the
Supreme Court would be sent home and all power placed in the hands of the
President.  Just imagine that much power in the hands of one manS BILL
CLINTON!
Once FEMA is invoked, it cannot be suspended for a period of less than one
year.  This was put in so that presidents would not be able to use this act
as a way to handle lesser or minor problems.  In the hands of Bill Clinton
this could be incredibly dangerous.  Knowing that this was a possibility,
Congress set forth a 

[CTRL] Fw: Voting Rights Violations--Full Coverage on CSPAN ll

[Amelia]

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Subject: Voting Rights Violations--Full Coverage on CSPAN ll


 Well, well, well!  I do hope everyone is watching the proceedings on
 CSPANII.  If not, they will possibly be re-broadcast maybe even
 tonight.  I feel totally vindicated and VALIDATED in everything I said
 concerning this matter.  In fact, it could not be ore so if it were I
 who were to be asking the questions.

 Everything I have contended has now been attested.  Even the part about
 the system of elections going back to Reconstruction; even that many (I
 would still contend MOST) of these precincts are Democratic precincts;
 even that the poll workers are working for minimum wage and so suing
 them would mean that no one would volunteer in the future.  Spokesperson
 for the blacks Frances Berry at the lunch break was saying that there
 was no evidence of the conspiracy some have charged, etc.  In fact, just
 as I said, it is not even Republicans nor anybody INTENTIONALLY doing
 anything wrong.  It seems most of these things are common and happen in
 every election.  So much for that "vast right wing conspiracy."  Some of
 the witnesses even conveniently did not look right around them to see
 whether or not the alleged wrong was also being done to whites as well
 and more tickets were issued to whites than blacks going to polls by the
 FHP, who apparently had a roadblock set up some 2-3 miles away from a
 poll where some blacks voted, a little fact not mentioned before today.

 In my own area, there are two voting places and some voters did not like
 the fact that the one of the two they preferred may not the one to which
 they were assigned.
 Most of these charges are things that have annoyed all voters at times.
 Even the purging of felons from the voting rolls was in accordance with
 the laws and should have been addressed before the election, not when
 the count did not come out "right." Considering all the years of Demonrats
as governors, Jeb Bush cannot be blamed for these issues not already having
been addressed.

 Yet on this list I was called a liar and told my statements were
 "Outrageous, UNTRUE, REFUTED" and on and on.  Now I am amazed when I
 turn out to be the one telling the truth, Liberals change the direction
 of their shark attack.  I was not nice to them while they called me a
 liar!  How awful of me.  Normal people apologize at this point but
 Liberals just change their attack mode and attempt to put the person
 telling the truth on the defensive.  So not only are they entitled to
 call people telling the truth a liar, they should be treated nicely
 while doing so.  Same thing as with Ashcroft~only Liberals are nice
 people and they are free to call anybody anything they please even if it
 is untrue, fabricated and totally self-serving and Hey!  Better be nice
 to them while they do it!  Of course, there is no such constraint upon
 them and they are free as little birds to be just as rude as they want
 to be.

 This is not aimed at anybody in particular, just my own personal
 observations so everybody, lighten up!  Don't take it personally,
 anybody.  I am just a mean old conservative who was told I was wrong by
 three people on this list recently on racial issues and now it looks
 like all three were just a tad off base.  Instead of asking for people
 who claimed they were wronged, I should have asked for the names of
 those alleged to have done the wrong-doing and their party affiliation
 because even the black committee members are saying no conspiracy.  The
 alleged "irregularities" are turning out to be, unfortunately, totally
 regular in nature.  This suit against the State of Florida is a total
 sham as the problems are already being addressed.  It does allow these
 civil-rights wannabees who were born too late a chance to think, at
 least in their own minds, they were a part of that  action.  Let's now
 see how many criminal charges are brought by the DOJ because with
 "thousands" of voters being denied their civil and voting rights in this
 one State alone, the number will surely be massive.  And don't forget to
 note the party affiliation of the local precinct and poll workers.  They
 will surely ALL be Republicans as Demonrats would NEVER do such awful,
 awful things.

 Still, I do find it a very sad commentary that when a person posts on
 our list, they are subjected to so many attacks and I, for one, shall
 not again attempt to explain ANYTHING here as the closed mindset of so
 many make it personally not worth the effort to do so.  I shall direct
 my efforts elsewhere in a less acrimonious atmosphere and merely "forward"
articles and opinions of others with nothing original because I don't care
to defend myself for days following.  If I know more
 about a subject, much to the delight of many, I shall keep that
 information to myself and spare anybody that most painful of surgeries,
 the opening of the eyes.
 Amelia



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Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) Has America lost its Goodness?

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America was built by slaves on stolen land. What's good about that?


OK, nobody rose to the bait, so I'll answer my own question. It was
rhetorical, anyway. The point I'm trying to make is that America's
morality has been on very shaky ground since before America even
existed. We need to start defining our morality, not just by how we
treat each other, but by how we treat the people around us. There's a
reason so much of the world hates us. We're a nation of greedy bullies.
We are but six percent of the world's people but we consume sixty
percent of the world's energy. We routinely use our military might to
push little nations around. People on every continent go hungry, and we
grow lawn grass. It's enough to make a truly moral person puke.

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[CTRL] Fw: [narconews] European Union REJECTS Plan Colombia

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Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 5:41 PM
Subject: [narconews] European Union REJECTS Plan Colombia


 January 10, 2001
 Please Distribute

 It's Almost Official:

 European Union Rejects "Plan Colombia"

 International Parliament: "The US Proposal is a War Plan"

 "We Want a Peace Plan"

 Final Vote Next Week

 http://www.narconews.com/europe2.html

 Publisher's Note: For five months the US press corps has played a
 disingenuous game by claiming, on and off again, that the European
Community
 supports the $1.3 billion US-imposed "Plan Colombia" military
intervention.

 Since August, The Narco News Bulletin has consistently explained why this
is
 not the case; we have reported that the European Union is opposed to the
war
 plan.

 Yesterday, as AFP reports from Brussels, the US Plan Colombia project
faced
 its final defeat in the process leading to next week's vote by the full
 parliament. None of our sources believe there is any possibility for a
last
 minute revival of the plan. The Spanish government is alone in its support
 for Plan Colombia -- and the rest of Europe is offering a loud "NO" to the
 Plan. Washington is now more isolated than ever in supporting this
 modern-day atrocity.

 From somewhere in a country called Amrica,

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[CTRL] Riady to Plead Guilty to Illegally Funding Clinton's Campaign

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/011101/riady.sml

Riady to Plead Guilty to Illegally Funding Clinton's Campaign
Thursday, January 11, 2001

Indonesian billionaire James Riady agreed late Thursday to plead
guilty to illegally funding President Clinton's 1992 campaign, and to
pay a record $8.6 million criminal fine, Fox News has learned.
Department of Justice sources told Fox News that Riady has
agreed to plead guilty to one count of conspiracy for concealing
foreign contributions. He will not face jail time.
Riady and his companies, Lippo Group and Lippo Bank, will pay an
$8.6 million fine. He is expected to fly from Indonesia to Los
Angeles for an initial court appearance on Tuesday.
The Justice Department confirmed that Riady will pay a record $8.6
million fine and plead guilty to one felony charge of conspiring to
defraud the United States by unlawfully reimbursing campaign
donors with foreign corporate funds in violation of federal election
law.
The plea agreement was filed today at U.S. District Court in Los
Angeles. Under the terms, Riady, an Indonesian citizen, will
surrender himself to the United States at a court appearance
Tuesday in Los Angeles, according to sources.
He will enter the plea on behalf of himself and, in addition, will enter
a guilty plea on behalf of LippoBank California, a California state-
chartered bank affiliated with Lippo Group. That guilty plea is on 86
misdemeanor counts charging Riady and his former employee John
Huang with making illegal foreign campaign contributions from 1988
through 1994.
The agreement calls for Riady to continue cooperating with
authorities. The Justice Department says he has met with
government prosecutors and agents a half dozen times since
August 2000.
Riady will also waive his right to apply for re-entry into the United
States for two years, except when required by the U.S.
government. He will perform 400 hours of community service and
forfeit any refunds from any political campaign committees.
He's also barred from making, reimbursing or directing any future
campaign contributions in U.S. elections.
Information filed with the plea agreement alleges that between May
1990 and June 1994, Riady and Huang conspired to obstruct the
Federal Elections Commission by reimbursing campaign
contributions with funds obtained from foreigners.
— Fox News' Bryan Sierra and the Associated Press contributed
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[CTRL] Do Blacks Owe Jews Reparations?

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 Do Blacks Owe Jews Reparations?
Michael Savage
Monday, Jan. 8, 2001

The Third Wave leftist hoaxsters are pushing "reparations" for
slavery.  Now, slavery ended in the U.S. 130 years ago.  There is
no black person (born in the U.S.) who was ever a slave.  There is
not a living white person (born in the U.S.) who ever owned a slave.
Yet the hoaxsters push their newest "Big Lie"?
Using their Marxist "Animal Farm" thinking caps, they argue that
all blacks suffered as a result of slavery, that they were
permanently damaged by the institution of slavery, and that there is
no statute of limitations on such a crime against (black) humanity.
Putting aside all other considerations for the sake of brevity and
accepting such premises, let us reason together.
While Jewish people alive today did not directly endure slavery,
their ancestors did, building the pyramids of Egypt and such. Since
the legalistic hoaxsters argue against statutes of limitations for
claims going back over one century past, why not go back 50
centuries and have all Jewish people make claim for reparations
against all Egyptians?
And, not to disrespect revisionist black "historians" who claim the
great pyramids and other Egyptian discoveries and creations were
made by black Africans (not by Semitic Egyptians), we can ask for
reparations from the NAACP and other black supremacist
organizations.

How about it, John Conyers?

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Re: [CTRL] Cubans May Be Active Near U.S-Mexican Border

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In a message dated 1/11/01 7:09:28 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 Until it is conclusively proven otherwise, I=92m going to assume that
  Scott Gulbransen (or someone using him for a front) made this stuff up
  from whole cloth, in order to spread paranoia and jingoism among the
  American public. This stuff sounds exactly like the long string of bald
  faced lies that Goebbles and company put out to psych the German public
  up for Operation Canned Meat.

  By the looks of it, Gulbransen is a right-wing guy.  Here are just the
titles to his articles archived at "Strategic Jungle."
  He works for Ballard Communications.  Their site says, "We serve our
clients with a strong commitment to effective and timely performance of
services and a guarantee of satisfaction. "
  So "Strategic Jungle" may not just be a hobby for this guy.  More info
below titles

http://www.strategicjungle.com/scott/archivesg.html

Scott Gulbransen

Article Archive

Opinion Piece - Media Continues to Cover up Major Stories
01/05/2001

Cubans May Be Active Near U.S-Mexican Border
01/02/2001

Decline in Autopsy Rate May Spell Doom for All of Us
12/22/2000

Opinion Piece - Bush, Nation Must Work Together to Preserve Freedom
12/13/2000

Opinion Piece - US Supreme Court May Offer No Help for Bush
12/08/2000

Opinion Piece - Florida Court Tramples US Constitution
12/08/2000

Border Trouble Made Worse by Dwindling Resources
12/01/2000

Opinion Piece: "Experts" Dead Wrong on Cuban Issue
11/30/2000

Opinion Piece: Court Battle May Be Moot as Clock Favors Bush - 11/29/2000

Gore Campaign Workers Losing Faith
11/28/2000

Opinion Piece: Counsel to the NWO
11/28/2000

Opinion Piece - A Different Electoral Vote
11/14/2000

Opinion Piece - Palm Beach County Ballot Question Ludicrous
11/08/2000

Opinion Piece - More Persecution for Conservatives Awaits
11/06/2000

Official Border Inquiry Closed with Charges of Cover-up
11/04/2000

Border Skirmish Raising New Questions
11/1/2000

Bug In New Software Delays Flights Throughout US
10/19/2000

Opinion Piece - Please Dock Your Boats
10/19/2000

Trouble In The Middle East
10/16/2000

Nonsense Continues Over Mascot Names
10/15/2000

http://www.lvrj.com/lvrj_home/2000/Mar-27-Mon-2000/business/13233677.html

Las Vegas Review-Journal

Ballard Communications has named Scott Gulbransen and Kevin Wynn senior
account executives, Tara Orme, Jason Harris, Shannon Johnson and Amy
Wunderlich account coordinators, and Jason Roth assistant account executive.
-
  At the Ballard site, in the "About Our Firm" section:

http://www.ballardcommunications.com/aboutourfirm.html

We believe in creating successful relationships with our clients, target
audiences, the media and vendors. We serve our clients with a strong
commitment to effective and timely performance of services and a guarantee of
satisfaction. We are also guided by the ethical and professional practice
standards as adopted by the Public Relations Society of America, of which we
are members.
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  "Performance" may be the operative word here.  Oh my, a pun.

Samantha

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[CTRL] NM: Los Angeles Times Kills Mention of Clinton Rape Allegation

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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Newsmax-Inside Cover

Thursday, Jan. 11, 2001

Los Angeles Times Kills Mention of Clinton Rape Allegation

He may be on the way out, but Bill Clinton can still count on his
friends in the media to cover for him.

 Today’s Los Angeles Times is a good example. The paper cut a
line from George Will’s Jan. 11 column, eliminating a reference
to well-founded allegations that President Clinton committed
rape.

 Without naming Juanita Broaddrick, Clinton’s rape victim, Will
wrote, "It is reasonable to believe that [Clinton] was a rapist
15 years before becoming president, and that as president he
launched cruise missiles against Afghanistan (a nearly empty
terrorist camp), Sudan (a pharmaceutical factory) and Iraq to
distract attention from problems arising from the glandular
dimension of his general indiscipline."

 The Los Angeles Times, however, wrote "It is reasonable to
believe that he launched cruise missiles against Afghanistan (a
nearly empty terrorist camp), Sudan (a pharmaceutical factory)
and Iraq to distract attention from problems arising from the
glandular dimension of his general indiscipline."

 In his column Will wrote that "other than by soiling the office,
he was a remarkably inconsequential president, like a person who
walks across a field of snow and leaves no footprints."

Apparently, as far as the L.A. Times is concerned, poor Juanita
Broaddrick left no footprints either.

 After noting that Richard A. Posner, chief judge of the 7th
Circuit, called Clinton's illegalities "felonious, numerous and
nontechnical" and "constituted a kind of guerrilla warfare
against the third branch of the federal government, the federal
court system," Will concluded by writing that "Clinton is not the
worst president the republic has had, but he is the worst person
ever to have been president."

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[CTRL] JWR: Coulter: TWO WEEKS TILL INDICTMENT!

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/coulter.html

Jewish World Review Jan. 11, 2001 / 16 Teves, 5761

Ann Coulter:

TWO WEEKS TILL INDICTMENT!

http://www.jewishworldreview.com -- AMONG THE PEOPLE in cheery
anticipation of independent counsel Robert Ray's pending
indictment of William Jefferson Clinton are those who:
demonstrated for George Bush in Florida; chanted "Get out of Dick
Cheney's house!" outside the vice presidential residence in
Washington; made possible George Bush's historic victory against
an incumbent in peacetime and a booming economy -- and whom Bush
is going to need when the left tries to "bork" his various
nominees.

They would be awfully disappointed with a pardon.

Among the people who are not eagerly awaiting Clinton's
indictment are the work-with-the Democrats Republicans on a break
from drafting big-government program bills with their pal Teddy
Kennedy. Without provocation, Sen. Orrin Hatch recently
announced, "I would pardon him."

Maybe a hegemonic liberal media that blocks Republicans from
getting out their message isn't such a bad thing. Before the
country had even forgotten about Al Gore the moment he conceded,
Republicans on the Hill were dashing to the media with press
releases announcing their opposition to Bush's tax-cut proposal.
In lieu of courage, it would be good if these guys could just
learn to keep their mouths shut.

Leaping to surrender is not unusual for Sen. Hatch, which is why
there's an expression in Washington, "Don't count your Hatches
before they've chickened." Poor good-hearted Orrin Hatch still
thinks he can work with Democrats. That's why he lasted in the
Republican primary for about six minutes before being forced to
drop out through lack of interest.

Remember that? Orrin Hatch ran for president last year. The
Republican Party is well-familiar with the Hatches and the Fords
and the Doles ("tax collector for the welfare state"). They're
known as Republicans who lose.

It's not their fault, really. They're doing the best they can
within their genetic limitations blocking them from discerning
the perfidious qualities of Democrats.

Pardoning Clinton is appeasement, and the left can never be
appeased. While in the U.S. Senate, John Ashcroft co-sponsored
that unconstitutional feminist lunacy, the "Violence Against
Women Act." That really helped calm down the harridans now that
he's Bush's nominee for attorney general. Try to play nice, and
liberals will bite your hand off.

We thought W already knew this. As a hopeful college freshman, W
introduced himself to William Sloane Coffin Jr., the Vietnam
War-protesting chaplain at Yale, and Coffin informed the young
man, "Yeah, I know your father, and your father lost to a better
man," after George Bush Sr. lost a Senate race in Texas.

Then W's father was double-crossed in his deal with the Democrats
to raise taxes if they cut spending. Because he broke his
Read-My-Lips pledge to people who knew better than to try to work
with Democrats, Bush's father promptly lost the next presidential
election to a flim-flam artist from Arkansas.

You can't negotiate with these terrorists.

Hatch's rationale for recommending a pardon was: 1) "I just don't
see keeping it alive any longer," and 2) "I don't think there's a
jury in America that is going to convict President Clinton."

On point 1, if a pardon would mean that we would never, ever,
ever have to hear Bill Clinton's name again, I'd be all for it.
But it's rather rash to assume a pardon will just brush Clinton
under the rug.

When Ford pardoned Nixon, there was no established indictable
offense. Perhaps there would have been after a lengthy and
meticulous investigation, and perhaps not. The criminal
investigation of Clinton is over. They could even charge Evita
Clinton as an unindicted co-conspirator at the same time:
("Indict one, get one free!") A full-blown trial will take about
two weeks.

Despite the pre-election booming economy, there is a new regime
in Washington -- precisely because Bush had nothing to do with
Clinton, James Riady, the travel office, the 900 FBI files, Evita
or, thankfully, Monica Lewinsky. Bush should maintain the Chinese
wall and just stay out of it.

The media insist "the country" wants to move on. No argument
there -- that's why Bush won -- but no one is forcing the press
to cover a Clinton trial. There are thousands of criminal trials
taking place every day in this country. No need for the media to
keep obsessing with this particular criminal.

On point 2: Then why did we try O.J.? From day one of the O.J.
trial, every jury consultant in the country said that jury
wouldn't convict that man. What kind of standard is that? Clinton
ought to be made to sit at the defense table and face the
evidence against him. If the jury acquits, so be it.

With or without a conviction, a criminal prosecution of William
Jefferson Clinton is the only fitting conclusion for the "most
ethical" government in history.



JWR contributor Ann 

[CTRL] AP: Riady Cops To It

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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Riady To Pay $8.6M Fine

By Michael J. Sniffen
Associated Press Writer
Thursday, Jan. 11, 2001; 7:33 p.m. EST

WASHINGTON –– Indonesian billionaire James Riady has agreed to
pay a record $8.6 million criminal fine and plead guilty to using
corporate funds from his foreign Lippo Group to reimburse
contributors to Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign for the presidency,
the Justice Department announced Thursday night.

© Copyright 2001 The Associated Press

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[CTRL] Fwd: [CTRL] MH: Hundreds cast votes illegally in Broward Co.

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Did I miss something?  What does this have to do with
the subject?
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 Excerpt from an unauthorized biography of George
 Bush Senior,
 regarding his involvement in the assassination
 attempt on Reagan.


 Full account available at:

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Re: [CTRL] Lets Not Return to Peyton Place

[Jayson R. Jones]

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On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:06:32 EST "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In a message dated 01/11/2001 11:45:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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 Oh Prudy, was JFK a sodomist?   I am sure if he had been, it would
have been reported by the press

I'd bet money on it.

You'd win.  Sodomy includes oral sex.  JFK did love his BJ's.
Jayson

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[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] Lets Not Return to Peyton Place

[Kindred Spirit]

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And how might that be?  The (sounded Southern)?
Kindred


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Should that be taken as a confession of your PERSONAL
knowledge, Jayson?  Sure sounds like you know what you
are talking about.
Kindred

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Mental disorders set to rise, UN says

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Guess this explains some tings.
KS


-Mental disorders set to rise, UN says

Depression will be second leading cause of death by
2020

REUTERS

Jan. 9 — Mental and neurological disorders — ranging
from depression to Alzheimer’s and epilepsy — strike
400 million people globally and are set to surge in
the next two decades, the World Health Organization
said Tuesday. By 2020, depression would jump to be the
second greatest cause of death and disability
worldwide, following ischemic heart disease, the
United Nations health agency predicted.

 ‘We know that 70 percent of those suffering from
major depression can fully recover if properly
treated.’
— DR. BENEDETTO SARACENO
WHO  WHO officials attributed the projected
rise in depression to factors including more stressful
lifestyles, poverty and violence. Alzheimer’s disease,
a debilitating dementia which hits the elderly, is
expected to increase as people live longer.
   They spoke at a news briefing to launch WHO’s
2001 campaign aimed at removing myths and stigmas
linked to such disorders, whose slogan is “Stop
exclusion — Dare to care.”
   “This (campaign) is overdue, given that mental
health is a major cause of disability, family and
community distress and loss of production,” said WHO’s
Dr. Derek Yach.
   Dr. Benedetto Saraceno, director of WHO’s
department of mental health and substance dependence,
said: “Mental health disorders, neurological diseases
is a major public health concern worldwide. There is a
common myth that mental health problems are those of
rich, industrialized countries, a luxury.
   “But mental and neurological problems are
equally important in rich and poor countries,” he
added.

400 MILLION SUFFERERS
   Some 400 million people today suffer from
mental and neurological disorders worldwide, according
to Saraceno.
   “Unipolar major depression is today considered
fifth in the ranking of major causes of disability and
it is expected to jump to second place in 2020,” he
said.
   At present, depression is the fifth leading
cause of death and disability, while ischemic heart
disease trails in sixth place, according to the
Geneva-based WHO.
   The table is currently topped by acute lower
respiratory infections, according to the WHO which
says infectious diseases are generally expected to
fall.
   Depression, often genetic, hits roughly twice
as many women as men, according to WHO experts.
   The Americas and Western Pacific regions —
essentially the United States and Japan — have the
most victims of depression, with the lowest rates in
Africa, according to Saraceno.
   “Surveys in Brazil, Zimbabwe, India and Chile
show the more impoverishment — measured by hunger,
level of debt and education — the higher the
prevalence of common mental disorders,” said Yach, a
South African.
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 Mental and neurological disorders represent
11 percent of the “global burden of disease,” a figure
based on mortality and disability, according to
Saraceno. The figure is expected to represent 14
percent in 2020, he said.
   Saraceno: “The good news is that mental health
treatment does not require very expensive
infrastructure.”
   “We know that 70 percent of those suffering
from major depression can fully recover if properly
treated,” he added. “We can expect a decrease in
suicides if we are properly treating depressed
people.”

ONE MILLION SUICIDES
   Globally, there are one million suicides a year
out of a total of 10 million attempts, he added. The
top 10 countries for suicide are composed of all
former Soviet Union states, led by Russia, where many
are reeling in economic and social upheaval.
   Schizophrenia, a chronic disorder, affects 45
million people worldwide, with about half of the
victims achieving full “social recovery,” according to
Saraceno.
   He praised India and China for their programs
for treating and supporting schizophrenic patients,
combing use of generic psychotropic drugs and human
resources.
   “Different diseases are prominent in different
regions, with one exception. Schizophrenia is
ubiquitous — you will find the same rate of
schizophrenia in Los Angeles and central Africa,
probably because there is a very strong genetic
component.”

   © 2001 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved.
Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is
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Re: [CTRL] Bush Decides Not To Include Poet

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

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At Clinton's second inauguration four years later, Arkansas poet Miller
Williams recited an original piece. His verse included the lines, ``Who
were many people coming together cannot become one people falling apart.
... We know what we have done and what we have said, and how we have grown,
degree by slow degree, believing ourselves toward all we have tried to
become - just and compassionate, equal, able, and free.''

"I think that I shall never see, a poem as lovely as a tree..."

Especially when it comes to that poem recited at Clinton's 2nd inaugural...  ;-)


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Re: [CTRL] Riady to Plead Guilty to Illegally Funding Clinton's Campaign

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 Riady to Plead Guilty to Illegally Funding Clinton's
 Campaign
 Thursday, January 11, 2001

 Indonesian billionaire James Riady agreed late
 Thursday to plead guilty to illegally funding
President Clinton's 1992 campaign, and to
 pay a record $8.6 million criminal fine, Fox News
 has learned."


Nakano's Comment:

$8.6 million is just pocket change for Riady.
His illegal funding of Clinton's campaign bought
him ONE  TRILLION  DOLLARS  WORTH  OF
LOW  SULPHUR  COAL.

Clinton misused his presidential powers to
help enrich the Riadys by greatly increasing
the value of their Low Sulphur Coalmines,
by removing Utah's coal from the world market.
See the following story from USA Today.

Clinton moves to "protect" Utah lands
10/15/96
USA TODAY
GRAND CANYON NATIONAL PARK, Ariz. - Siding with
environmentalists in one of the nation's biggest
wilderness battles, President Clinton declared 1.7
million acres of southern Utah's red-rock cliffs and
canyons as a national monument Wednesday.
The election-year move effectively blocks development
of one of America's largest known coal reserves, to
the dismay of political leaders in Utah, the nation's
most Republican state.
"We can't have mines everywhere and we shouldn't have
mines that threaten our national treasures," the
president said.
Legislation stalled in the Senate would leave for
development much of the land protected by Clinton,
including the Kaiparowits Plateau and what some have
estimated to be as much as 7 billion tons of
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[CTRL] Believe that abstract economic theory is more important than the real world.

[Nurev Ind Research]

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The Independent - United Kingdom; Dec 12, 2000

Globalisation: Time to say a daily prayer for the global economy The abstractions
of free trade are
blinding the world's decision- makers to the reality of imminent environmental
collapse, says Andrew
Simms


BY ANDREW SIMMS (copyright)

ON HEARING of the death of one of his critics after a fall while riding, TH
Huxley, the advocate of
evolutionary theory, said that it was the first time the man's brain had made
contact with reality
and that the experience had obviously proved fatal.

Unfortunately, unless the mandarins of global economic policy experience a reality
check, it is the
rest of us who are most likely to suffer the pain of their detachment.

A basic misunderstanding of our global governors in the IMF, World Trade
Organisation and
other still-emerging institutions, is to believe that abstract economic theory is
more important
than the real world. We are supposed to believe that encouraging the unrestricted
flow of
commodities and money across national borders will meet all our human needs. A
commitment
to these abstractions still remains the test of good international citizenship for
governments.

Yet the real world is about to generate what economists call "externalities" on
such a huge scale,
as a result of the waste from how the world does business, that they will ridicule
our faith in the
compromised market mechanisms at the centre of our economic system.

After the middle of this century the economic cost of global warming stands to
surpass the
value of total world economic output, according to the best guesses of the
insurance industry.
Before that, in 25 years time, half of all people living in developing countries
will be at risk from
unnatural disasters.

How we manage and adapt to global warming is going to become the organising
principle of the
world economy, either through choice or by the climate's imposition.

Whatever reduces fossil fuel dependency, or shapes local economies to maximise
human
resilience in the face of increasingly harsh environments, will become the object
of economic
policy, instead of maximising crude growth for its own sake.

This is bad news for those who believe in the model of growth led by increasing
reliance on
international trade. On one hand, trade is hooked on ever-stronger fixes of fossil
fuels. On the
other, as the UN point out, export-led development strategies tend to displace
local,
community- serving economic activities which are actually frontline coping
mechanisms when
disaster strikes. Foreign direct investment, the other great economic hope, in
practice turns out
to be less of an irrigation system for distributing wealth and technology, and
more like a vacuum
cleaner, sucking up resources to an increasingly bloated wealthy minority. Nor has
anyone found
an answer to the disastrous long-term decline in primary commodity prices that
poor countries
rely on.

The management of our natural capital base is the precondition for everything
else. The reason
technocrats are able to avoid the obvious is partly due to the democratic deficit
at the heart of
the system.

Supported by business lobbies that lubricate compliant political parties into
power, rich country
governments in turn literally pay for votes to run the global economy's key
institutions. Those
institutions then oversee market-facilitating agreements with teeth, but which are
based on
economic abstractions. Multilateral environmental and social agreements, based on
real ecological
and human needs, however, are second-class legal citizens with no significant
powers.

A study by British campaign groups to reveal where the government gets its
understanding of
globalisation from, revealed a blind spot where more critical research emerges
from UN trade,
environment and development agencies. World Bank and IMF sources were much more
common.

Yet these latter organisations repeatedly reveal their work to be more ideological
than pragmatic.
Following power struggles that saw progressive voices leaving the Bank, its
research department
published calculations to demonstrate the universal benefits of conventional
growth and trade
liberalisation. To demonstrate how flawed the exercise was, researchers based at
UNICEF then
repeated the calculations using random numbers and came to identical conclusions.

The notion that you get rich first so that you can afford to patch-up the
environment always
had one serious logical flaw. What if you did so much damage getting rich that the
environment
couldn't be patched up?

The Secretary General in-waiting of the WTO recently said that a country's
obligations to obey
free trade rules came before their duties to international environmental
agreements. In saying so
he put method before substance - effectively saying that a plate was more
important than food.

The other flaw in the current globalisation model is that it simply doesn't
deliver for the vast
majority. They are the people who can't afford 

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Subject: [PNEWS] GROUPS CALL FOR REJECTION OF RUMSFELD
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:35:03 -0600 (CST)
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  SENATE REJECTION OF RUMSFIELD CALLED FOR BY PEACE GROUPS

  DEFEAT OF STAR WARS BEGINS WITH RUMSFELD NOMINATION

  For Immediate Release

  Contact:  Bruce Gagnon at Global Network (352) 337-9274
 Peter Shaw at Veterans for Peace  (814) 237-1216
 Investigative Journalist Karl Grossman (631) 725-2858

 The Global Network Against Weapons  Nuclear Power in Space and
Veterans for Peace, with the support of peace groups around the world, are
calling on the U.S. Senate to reject the appointment of Donald Rumsfeld as
the next U.S. Secretary of Defense charging that he is a "Star Wars
zealot" who will cause a new arms race and ultimately war in space.

 "Rumsfeld has been the agent of the right-wing and corporate
forces that have been pushing for Star Wars," declared Bruce Gagnon,
Coordinator of the Global Network. "It was Rumsfeld who, in 1998, was
appointed by arch-conservatives Newt Gingrich and Trent Lott to chair a
commission that insisted on prompt deployment of a missile defense system.
The Commission's findings undermined earlier CIA analyses that threats of
attack from 'rogue states' were not iminent, eventually forcing the CIA to
change its projections."

  "Rumsfeld was then given the 'Keeper of the Flame' award by the
pro-Star Wars right-wing Center for Security Policy," noted Gagnon, "an
operation funded by the aerospace corporations that seeks to become Star
Wars contractors and which has listed Rumsfeld as a 'trusted advisor' and
a financial supporter." Rumsfeld recently chaired a second Space
Commission, made up of former Space Command leaders, that insists that the
U.S. needs anti-satellite weapons to protect U.S. "space assets."

  "Rumsfeld supports U.S. plans to 'control space' in violation of the
intent of the United Nations' Outer Space Treaty of 1967, which sets aside
space for 'peaceful purposes,' and which the U.S. not only has signed but
was a leader in initiating. With Rumsfeld in charge of the Pentagon, we
will see a push for the weaponization of space that will lead to an arms
race in space.  Other nations will not submit to having the U.S. 'control
space'. The real fight to stop Star Wars begins with the issue of Senate
approval of Donald Rumsfeld as Secretary of Defense."

  Peter Shaw of Veterans for Peace said that "our members know what war
is about" and described Rumsfeld as a "radical operative of the military
industry complex who opposes the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, testified
against the chemical weapons convention, opposed the SALT II arms
agreement, and lobbied for the B-2 Bomber and the MX Missile--and has
carried the flame for Star Wars. The United States and the world cannot
afford this extreme agenda."

  Karl Grossman, author of a soon-to-be-released book, "Weapons In
Space" (Seven Stories Press) which includes information on Rumsfeld and
his Star Wars links, said that "as The Washington Post has just reported,
Rumsfeld is the 'leading proponent not only of national missile defenses,
but also of U.S. efforts to take control of outer space."  Grossman, a
professor of journalism at the State University of New York, said that "we
must focus on strengthening the Outer Space Treaty, bolstering it by
banning all weapons from space. Our neighbor Canada is a leader in this
call at the United Nations.  With Rumsfeld as defense secretary, the U.S.
will be moving in the other direction: toward war in space."

  The Global Network and Veterans for Peace are calling on the Senate
Armed Services Committee, and thereafter the full U.S. Senate, to reject
Rumsfeld. They are organizing a grassroots campaign in which people across
the United States are contacting their U.S. senators and expressing their
opposition to the Bush appointment of Rumsfeld.

  Check out the Global Network's web site at:
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Subject: Today's Global Intelligence Update
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:11:18 -0600 (CST)
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Summary

The global economy's growing dependence on space technology is
reigniting the debate over the military's function in space,
particularly its role in denying enemies the ability to use the
ultimate high ground for nefarious purposes. Stimulated by the new
political leadership emerging in the United States, the escalating
space race will turn the final frontier into a new battleground in
the 21st century.

Analysis

On Jan. 11 the Commission to Assess U.S. National Security Space
Management and Organization is to release its findings after more
than a year of study. Established by members of Congress
concerned that preparations for the space age are inadequate, the
commission has the potential to forcefully and immediately impact
American policy.

The commission was led by Donald Rumsfeld, President-elect George
W. Bush's nominee for secretary of defense, who has pledged to
make the "defense of space assets" a top priority. The commission
will find the new U.S. administration highly receptive to
accelerating the space race with military projects and
government-assisted programs for civilian purposes.

The trend toward a larger international presence in space, and
the associated risks that come with heavy reliance on space
systems, has moved the United States closer than ever - both
politically and technologically - to crossing the boundary
between using space to support military operations and making
space a combat zone. The incoming U.S. administration, and its
unfolding world view, will run right up against this sacrosanct
boundary in international relations and may even cross it,
irreversibly altering the strategic landscape.


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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CTRL] MH: Hundreds cast votes illegally in Broward Co.

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On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Kindred Spirit wrote:


 Did I miss something?  What does this have to do with
 the subject?
 Kindred



Ooops:(

I guess I messed up, huh?

I'm tryin' to get this one straightened out...and will advise,
i.e., I HOPE to explain how it relates, and/or more probably, how
I mingled two topics.

At any rate, sorry for the confusion.

Best,

Mike






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Re: [CTRL] Making money.

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--- Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The Charlotte Observer,
 CASH-STARVED ARGENTINE PROVINCES TURNING
  OUT THEIR OWN MONEY
 By Andres Oppenheimer, Knight-Ridder News.
  MIAMI -- Two remote Argentine provinces, short
 of cash to pay public employees, have come up with
an easy solution.
 They're printing up their own money, to the
 chagrin of the national and international banking
authorities.
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Nakano Comments:
At Disneyland, you can get Disney Dollars.
These spend just like "real money" within
the confines of Disneyland.
Now Argentina has caught on to this idea.
It's also gaining favor in parts of the U.S.
Of course this "money" is just paper with nothing
backing it.
Come to think of itthis is precisely
the same as a Federal Reserve Note.
Just paper and ink with nothing backing it.
It's all just "Monopoly Money".
Someday people will realize it's all just
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[CTRL] [prj] Funding the War on the American West

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http://www.NewsMax.com/commentmax/articles/Diane_Alden.shtml
NewsMax.com
January 05, 2001
CommentMax
Funding the War on the American West
by Diane Alden
Jan. 4, 2001

The war on the American West is pretty much the same as it was more than
hundred years ago. Only the names and dates have changed. Primarily
eastern
financial and foreign political and economic interests, along with
American
foundations, proponents of the United Nation's Agenda 21, environmental
idealists, and U.S. government bureaucrats are waging the current war on
the West. All these various individuals and groups believe in their
heart
of hearts that the ends justifies the means. Of course, their ends are
incompatible with the concepts of private property and individual
liberty.

In May of 2000, Executive Vice President Robert Huberty of Capital
Research
Center stated before the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on
Resources: "We have argued that the central public policy goal for
environmental groups is at odds with the needs of individuals and
communities. Environmental groups today seek the preservation of natural
resources from human use over their protection for human use."

He went on to state: "Last October 13 President Clinton directed the
Forest
Service to prepare a study that would ban road building on parts of the
National Forest System that are currently roadless but that Congress has
not agreed to designate as permanent wilderness areas. The president's
speech was anticipated by the Pew Charitable Trusts, which acknowledges
that it organized the campaign to promote the roadless initiative. On
September 24, 1998, the Pew Trusts made a grant of $1,415,000 to the
National Audubon Society for this purpose. On September 23, 1999, it
gave
the Society an additional grant of $2,150,000 for 15 months "to complete
a
public education effort for permanent administrative protection of the
largest remaining tracts of pristine old growth remaining in U.S.
national
forests."

I am not necessarily a believer in conspiracies, but the fact is human
beings are imperfect creatures and their modus operandi is to amass
power
and money. Most of the time they don't care who gets in the way. Nor do
they care about laws and rules or how badly their agenda impacts
humanity
and the rule of law. They aren't concerned what time-honored concepts
are
destroyed in the process as they force their agenda on Americans.

Elites have always been with us and they always will be. It seems to be
a
natural phenomenon for mankind to want to exert control as well as to
amass
fortunes and power. However, they usually have a blind way of
selectively
wielding that power over others in a destructive fashion. Now, as
always,
they gather in their little hothouse groupings and think up various
policies and fixes for what ails humankind. Such efforts, however,
usually
end up making life on Earth difficult. In addition, such policies
usually
lack either common sense or justice – or both.

The busybody power elites always think they are doing everyone a favor
and
operate under the assumption that they have a direct hookup to the
Divine,
which is usually not the Divine but their own notions of perfection here
on
Earth.

The problem arises when the oligarchy of wealth and power combines with
idealists in order to exert hegemony and control over humankind. They
will
do what they must to control and dictate what goes on with private and
public property. From ideas to land, they seek control.

The environmental groups, funded by the tax-exempt-rich-man foundations
such as Rockefeller and Pew Charitable Trusts attempt to lock up and
crush
natural resource users and producers, and those who would use so-called
public lands in the western United States. As a result of their actions,
the rural way of life is an endangered species. Changes in the needs of
American society have already reduced the rural population, and those
who
are left are being driven out by the idealism and perfectionism of the
environmental movement.

Zealous government bureaucrats housed in the land agencies and true
believers such as Bill Clinton and Al Gore join them in this effort.
This
new aristocracy that seeks control of men, property and land is doing a
pretty good job of wresting control from local and rural areas in the
intermountain West especially. And so it 

[CTRL] Economics as superstitions, and economists as shamans.

[Nurev Ind Research]

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How the Economists Got It Wrong


James K. Galbraith


The American Economic Association (AEA) met January 7-9 in Boston, for a
millennial program
distinguished by its attention to international policy issues, most particularly
financial crises (as
in Asia) and the failure of the so-called "economic transition" (as in Russia).

And yet, in this odd rush to relevance, something was curiously awry. Apart from a
panel
including former World Bank chief economist Joseph Stiglitz, the meetings featured
almost no
one with a record of criticizing the institutions that gave us the Asian crisis or
the transition
failure. Instead, they were dominated--in session after session--by the architects
of the present
world order, including Yeltsin advisers Andrei Shleifer and Anders Aslund, the
International
Monetary Fund's Stanley Fischer, and U.S. Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers.
Even the
arch-speculator Myron Scholes appeared. Never, perhaps, has such a luminous crowd
gathered
to discuss so disastrous a set of its own failings.

Equally striking, from the larger intellectual standpoint, was the lack of
retrospective in this year
2000 program of the AEA. The great issues of economic policy--inflation and
unemployment,
economic growth and stabilization, the government's budget, inequalities of income
and
wealth--were missing. The central themes of economic theory, including markets and
market
structure, competition and monopoly, efficiency and equity, and the business
cycle, were to be
found only in sessions devoted to narrowly defined applied cases. Reading through
paper titles,
one finds no mention of John Maynard Keynes, Adam Smith, or Karl Marx, or even of
Paul
Samuelson or Milton Friedman. Samuelson himself appeared once, to give a brilliant
short lecture
on "The Golden Virtue of Eclecticism"--but to the institutionalists rather than
the mainstream.

Missing Ideas

So what is modern economics about? It seems to be, mainly, about itself: The AEA
meets to
celebrate the importance of its members, their presence in high public positions,
their influence
in foreign lands, and the winning of the Nobel Prize. Female and black members
have won the
right to organize sessions about gender and race--thus domesticating some of those
who might
otherwise complain. Radicals and Keynesians, on the other hand, appeared only on
panels
organized separately, by an alphabet soup of splinter associations. What was
therefore most
conspicuously missing from this meeting of America's premier social science
organization, was
any actual discussion of economic ideas.

But what am I thinking? Of course they don't want to discuss ideas. Would you,
with the record
of this professorate? Consider what has happened, in recent years, to five of the
leading ideas
of modern economics.

1. Inflation is everywhere and always a monetary phenomenon. This dictum is the
most famous
single thought associated with Milton Friedman. It was once, briefly in the early
1980s, the
driving philosophy of the Federal Reserve. Its architect, and many of his
students, have won the
Nobel Prize. But in practice, monetarism has been completely, silently abandoned.
Measures of
money (notably M2) have been growing rapidly for years, with no inflationary
effect. Monetarism
as such is, today, an academic dead letter. There wasn't one monetarist topic on
the AEA's
calendar this year, and a new academic monetarist hasn't emerged in decades.

And yet, the signal policy achievement of the monetarist movement remains intact.
Thirty years
ago, Friedman-style monetarists wiped out all alternative theories of inflation.
The ideas of "cost
push" and "wage-price spirals," on which the successful anti-inflation strategies
of the 1960s
had been based, disappeared. To this day, there exist no alternatives for fighting
inflation,
except higher interest rates, recession, and unemployment. These are the hard
measures, the
brutal measures, for which we have the monetarists to thank.

2. Full employment without inflation is impossible. Four years ago, virtually all
"serious"
economists, including many self-described Keynesians, agreed: There existed a
"natural rate of
unemployment." This was in the vicinity of 6 percent, and below it inflation was
certain to rise.
The number, it turns out, had no basis in serious study; it was first made up by
Robert J.
Gordon as an illustration for his textbook. Since that time, unemployment has been
continuously below 6 percent, without rising inflation. It is now almost exactly 4
percent, the
formal target of the Full Employment Act. Faced with the embarrassing facts, only
a handful of
economists continue to defend the natural rate idea.

And yet, the natural rate movement still influences policy. Some of its survivors
vote on the
Federal Reserve's Open Market Committee. They are presently driving interest rates
upward on
precisely the pretext that low unemployment must otherwise soon bring rising
inflation. It is a
notion for which no 

Re: [CTRL] Ashcroft's Charitable Choice

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Total rubbish.
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:22:24 EST William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
 A FRONTAL ASSAULT ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT
 Ashcroft and Charitable Choice -- A Personal Reflection James Dunn
 is a
 visiting professor of Christianity and Public Policy at Wake Forest
 University Divinity School.

 John Ashcroft is touted for his intelligence and integrity. We will
 all have
 the chance to judge that for ourselves at his upcoming confirmation
 hearing
 for the position of U.S. Attorney General.

 When government advances religion in any way, it inevitably becomes
 involved
 in religious practice. It seems that "charitable choice" is a
 frontal assault
 on the First Amendment's Establishment Clause that forbids
 government from
 advancing or becoming entangled in religious affairs. Yet
 "charitable choice"
 allows and perhaps compels state governments to provide
 taxpayer-funded
 social services through pervasively sectarian institutions. I've
 spent my
 life protecting the separation of church and state, and the
 "charitable
 choice" concept sets my alarm bells ringing.

 So, I have some questions, particularly about so-called "charitable
 choice,"
 one of Ashcroft's favorite policies.

 Do people know that he was the principal architect of "charitable
 choice"
 legislation tacked on to welfare reform in a last-minute midnight
 vote in
 August 1996? Would this legislation be constitutional simply because
 it
 allows churches to use federal tax dollars for social programs that
 would
 otherwise be funded by government? Does anyone really understand how
 dangerous this dumping of tax dollars on "faith-based" programs can
 be?

 How can one reconcile Ashcroft's role as reckless innovator with his
 history
 as a rigid ideologue? Why has one of his most irresponsible
 initiatives been
 almost ignored by media critics?

 Are we willing as a people to abandon the separation of church and
 state, the
 greatest contribution of the United States to the science of
 government? Who
 can deny that the American way in church-state relations has been
 good for
 the church and good for the state?

 Is it not clear that religious liberty's essential corollary is
 separation of
 the structures of state from the institutions of religion? Who does
 not see
 that when anyone's religious freedom is denied everyone's religious
 freedom
 is endangered?

 Can anyone deny that having one's tax dollars taken by government
 coercion
 and turned over to pervasively sectarian outfits to do good
 threatens, at
 least a little bit, everyone's civil and religious liberties? And
 yet, don't
 we know that some truisms are true, like "he who pays the fiddler
 calls the
 tune?" What religion-related regime wants the rules and regulations,
 even the
 reporting, that goes with government-handled money? Is it not clear
 to most
 ministries that they sell their souls for a mess of politics-tainted
 pottage
 the very day they embark on the course of government gimmes?

 Who is there who believes that taking tax dollars will not change
 the nature,
 even the freedom and effectiveness, of faith-based programs? Is it
 not a leap
 of faith too great for even Kierkegaard to think that the source of
 funds
 will not shape to some degree the programs paid for?

 Isn't it ironic that a face card for faith like Senator Ashcroft is
 so
 willing to ignore the first freedom: "Congress shall make no law
 respecting
 an establishment of religion"? Is it too much to call him a reckless
 innovator?

 But then there's the rigid ideologue side of the Senator. When it
 comes to
 civil rights, civil liberties, concealed weapons, and abortion
 issues, he is
 clearly a right-wing extremist.

 He opposes therapeutic abortions even in instances of rape and
 incest. He
 lied about the record of Justice Ronnie White. He distorted the
 purpose and
 nature of United Nations protections for children.

 Any reasonably objective observer of his style would have to flinch
 at what
 seems to be self-righteous religiosity and spiteful moralisms. How
 painful
 for me, a Baptist preacher for 50 years, one thoroughly immersed in
 the
 "language of Zion," one who has sung at least as many gospel songs
 (necktie
 tenor) as Ashcroft has, to suffer his pieties. His reported
 self-anointing
 with Crisco oil when he became governor of Missouri is in the view
 of serious
 scholars: weird. Hebrew bible scholars cite only three instances of
 self-administered anointing in the Old Testament. All three episodes
 were
 either cultic or cosmetic. If for Mr. Ashcroft it were a cultic
 exercise, at
 least he should have used olive oil. If, rather, it were a cosmetic
 splash,
 Old Spice shaving lotion would have worked. Ludicrous, brother!

 I wonder if the club-headed Senate will sacrifice civil rights and
 civil
 liberties for a tradition of civility? Oh God, (that's a prayer not
 an
 expletive) I pray that they will not. Should they do so it 

Re: [CTRL] Do Blacks Owe Jews Reparations?

[Damian B. Cooper]

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At 07:45 PM 1/11/01 -0600, kl [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 wrote:
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 Do Blacks Owe Jews Reparations?
Michael Savage
Monday, Jan. 8, 2001

The Third Wave leftist hoaxsters are pushing "reparations" for
slavery.  Now, slavery ended in the U.S. 130 years ago.  There is


Credit to my college roommate for discerning the following unfulfilled
moral obligation:

"Shouldn't blacks owe reparations to white people for 500 years of
eating missionaries?"

DBC

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[CTRL] Fw: Ashcroft Appearance on Schlafly's 1997 Conspiracist Video

[Michael Pugliese]

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Ashcroft Appearance on Schlafly's 1997 Conspiracist Video

by Chip Berlet


1/11/01 - Revision 1


John Ashcroft appeared in a 1997 video from Phyllis Schlafly’s Eagle Forum
that
portrayed the feminist movement, multiculturalism, reproductive rights, gay
rights, environmental concerns, global cooperation, and even chemical
weapons
treaties as part of a secret conspiracy to promote a socialist One World
Government and New World Order.

The video, "Global Governance: The Quiet War Against American Independence,"
is
introduced by Schlafly who claims that President Clinton is part of a
conspiracy
outlined by his former professor Carroll Quigley, involving a "small elite"
of
"cosmopolitan" and "international" power brokers who are close to government
and
"equally devoted to secrecy and the secret use of financial influence in
political life."

This type of conspiracist allegation is found in the right-wing of the
Republican Party, the Patriot and armed militia movement, and the Far Right.
The
use of language about cosmopolitan international financial elites shows
insensitivity to the historic use of such phrases to promote antisemitic
claims
of an international Jewish banking conspiracy.

Other featured speakers on the video include Jeane Kirkpatrick, former U.S.
Ambassador to the United Nations; Jesse Helms, Chairman, Senate Foreign
Relations Committee; Helen Chenoweth (now Helen Chenoweth-Hage) U.S.
Representative, Idaho; and Patrick Buchanan, identified as a syndicated
columnist  "Crossfire" co-host.

Both Chenoweth and Buchanan have made overtures to the Patriot and militia
movements. In 1997 Rep. Chenoweth introduced a bill co-sponsored by 43 House
members to block a federal plan to designate certain historic waterways
"heritage rivers." The primarily symbolic gesture had been attacked by the
Patriot movement and the overlapping anti-environmentalist "Wise Use"
movement
as a federal land grab. Some claimed it was part of a UN-backed New World
Order
initiative. A section of the Eagle Forum video raises similar concerns,
complete
with maps of US territory showing UN/US land grabs. Similar conspiracist
charges
are a regular feature of publications from the John Birch Society.

In early 2000, Chenoweth worked openly with the John Birch Society, a major
Patriot group, in an effort to stop the transfer of the Panama Canal. In
response, Jason F. Isaacson, director of the American Jewish Committee’s
Washington Office, wrote a letter to Rep. Chenoweth. Defending the right of
the
Birch Society to express its views in public, Isaacson wrote that, "We fear
that
your invitation to the John Birch Society to speak at Wednesday's
congressional
briefing gives weight and prestige to perspectives that are, and ought to
remain, at the fringes of society...We respectfully urge you to withdraw
your
invitation." Issacson said AJC challenged "the wisdom of offering the
Society a
congressional platform from which to promulgate those views - views that for
decades have fueled and thrived on conspiracy theories, nativism,
isolationism
and intolerance."

According to the video box for "Global Governance," in the video "You’ll see
the
Clinton Administration’s dangerous drive to ratify treaties that give global
bureaucrats control over American land, natural resources, private property,
our
economy, and even our children and our families."

Ashcroft is highlighted on the video box, and makes two substantial
appearances
including giving the video’s closing comments.

In his first appearance, Ashcroft comments on claims that United Nations
treaties protecting the rights of children are suspect and could result in
overly-intrusive government meddling with parental rights:


"I don’t really believe that our government should interfere substantially
with
child rearing. It would be wrong for states to tell parents what they could
or
what they should do with their children--or for the federal government. But
when
you take that beyond the state and the federal government to an
international
organization that would seek to tell you, for instance, that you couldn’t
take
your child out of certain sex education classes in our schools, for example;
I
think a family ought to have a right to understand what values it supports
in
that arena, and to protect the child in relation to those values."

At the end of the video, after repeated attacks on how the United Nations
and
international conferences and treaties promote a radical feminist, pro-gay,
abortion on demand agenda that will undermine the American family, Ashcroft
says:


"I simply reject the notion that somehow we can go to countries where there
is
less freedom, less respect, less dignity for any affected
population--whether it
be women or children--and get them to tell us what we ought to be doing. I
think
as responsible individuals, given the capacity to make consequential choices
by
our government (and ultimately by God who created us to be free), we don’t
need
an 

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: U.S. is the worst human rights offender on the planet

[lassey]

-Caveat Lector-

Any one is free to move to ANY other country if things are SOOO awful
here.

On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:59:40 -0800 radman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 -Caveat Lector-

 
 http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/usa/index.html
 Human Rights Watch
 World Report 2001
 Washington D.C., December 7, 2000
 
 The Human Rights Watch World Report 2001 blasts the United States
 for
 its trampling down of all human rights in all possible categories,
 essentially saying that the U.S. is the worst human rights offender
 on the planet.
 
 Right in the opening lines, the report ominously states that for
 the
 United States government at the end of the year 2000, "evidence of
 its domestic human rights legacy was scant."
 
 Also, as ever in world history, the United States continued to be
 highly reluctant to see itself as part of the human family, and,
 putting himself above others as something special to whom do not
 apply normal standards of behaviour, elementary ethical norms and
 international human rights treaties, it "made little progress in
 embracing international human rights standards."
 
 So, in the year 2000, most U.S. leaders "remained either unaware of
 their human rights obligations or content to ignore them."
 
 The World Report 2001 highlights fascistic practices in the
 American
 police and prison system that included both legalized and
 clandestine
 murder and torture. "As in previous years, serious human rights
 violations were most apparent in the criminal justice
 system-including police brutality, discriminatory racial
 disparities
 in incarceration, abusive conditions of confinement, and
 state-sponsored executions, even of juvenile offenders and the
 mentally handicapped."
 
 The Human Rights World Report also unmasks the virtual
 non-existence
 of free labor unions in the United States where "extensively
 documented human rights violations also included violations of
 workers' rights, discrimination against gay men and lesbians in the
 military, and the abuse of migrant child farmworkers."
 
 The Human Rights World Report says that the United States does not
 even think of reforming itself and adapting to international norms
 but seeks rewriting those norms according to its own taste. Thus,
 to
 sign two United Nations Conventions, "The United States in 2000
 submitted reports on its compliance with...the Convention against
 Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or
 Punishment," but then, "It failed to acknowledge crucial weaknesses
 in laws and mechanisms to protect the right to be free of torture
 and
 cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, as well as the
 serious obstacles abuse victims face in securing legal redress. It
 failed also to confront forthrightly the prevalence of abuses
 against
 detained and incarcerated men, women and children throughout the
 United States." In addition, "The report (submitted by the U.S. to
 the U.N.) also glossed over the impact of the reservations,
 understandings, and declarations the United States made when it
 ratified the convention. The United States redefined torture, as
 prohibited by the convention, to include only conduct already
 prohibited under the U.S. Constitution and to exclude, with few
 exceptions, mental torture that is not accompanied by physical
   torture. It also declared the treaty to be non-self-executing,
 and
 then failed to enact implementing legislation, with the result that
 U.S. residents cannot turn to the courts to seek protection of the
 rights affirmed under the treaty. The U.S., in effect, declined to
 change its laws to bring them up to international standards."

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