Re: CDR: RE: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-04-03 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 1 Apr 2003 at 11:48, Mike Rosing wrote: Which is why MAD works. But a regular bombing run on a few oil refineries would put the US in a world of hurt really quickly, enough for them to pull a lot of their troops out of places that happen to be too close to Russia and China.

Re: CDR: RE: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-04-03 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 1 Apr 2003 at 11:48, Mike Rosing wrote: Which is why MAD works. But a regular bombing run on a few oil refineries would put the US in a world of hurt really quickly, enough for them to pull a lot of their troops out of places that happen to be too close to Russia and China.

Re: Logging of Web Usage

2003-04-03 Thread Seth David Schoen
Bill Frantz writes: The http://cryptome.org/usage-logs.htm URL says: Low resolution data in most cases is intended to be sufficient for marketing analyses. It may take the form of IP addresses that have been subjected to a one way hash, to refer URLs that exclude information other than

Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort

2003-04-03 Thread Kevin S. Van Horn
Harmon Seaver wrote: If you read the history, there were just as many christer theologists and ministers arguing *for* slavery as there were against. Their religion was not the cause of their support for slavery; self-interest was. On the other hand, many, many abolitionists became devoted to

Re: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-04-03 Thread Kevin S. Van Horn
Damian Gerow wrote: I can only see two reasons for bombing with nuclear weapons: hate and stupidity. That being said, you'd have to *really* hate someone (or an entire country) to actually /use/ a nuclear weapon. That's nonsense. I can think of several entirely ethical uses of nuclear weapons,

Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort

2003-04-03 Thread jayh
On 2 Apr 2003 at 22:02, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote: Christer establishment? Are you out of your mind? We're talking about a country where a big stink was raised just because someone found the word god on a spelling list. This is irrelevant.You are looking at specifcs of court ordered

Re: Logging of Web Usage

2003-04-03 Thread Ben Laurie
John Young wrote: Ben, Would you care to comment for publication on web logging described in these two files: http://cryptome.org/no-logs.htm http://cryptome.org/usage-logs.htm Cryptome invites comments from others who know the capabilities of servers to log or not, and other means for

Re: Logging of Web Usage

2003-04-03 Thread Steve Schear
At 01:05 AM 4/3/2003 +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote: Relying on httpd operators to protect those who access is plain silly, even if echelon (funny how that word dropped below radar lately) did not exist. Echelon could be grouped together with Carnivore and CALEA devices into the group of Generic

Foreign adventures and economic imperialism

2003-04-03 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 07:05 PM, James A. Donald wrote: -- On 1 Apr 2003 at 11:48, Mike Rosing wrote: Which is why MAD works. But a regular bombing run on a few oil refineries would put the US in a world of hurt really quickly, enough for them to pull a lot of their troops out of

Re: CDR: RE: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-04-03 Thread Thomas Shaddack
If Russia, Chaina and the EU really wanted to, they could use conventional weapons and force the US to at least retreat from trying to rule the world. This supposes the US is trying to rule the world, which is not apparent -- at least not to the US. I am afraid it's more than just

Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?

2003-04-03 Thread Kevin S. Van Horn
Harmon Seaver wrote: No, they weren't christian -- they were followers of Rabbi Yeshua ben Yoseph ha Natzri, later called Mesheach ha Israel. [...] Jesus and Christ and christianity were something invented by the europeans [...] [Marcion] took a scissors and cut out anything that was at all

Re: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-04-03 Thread Thomas Shaddack
4. Interplanetary transportation of a massive payload. Project Orion, anyone? Don't forget a more realistic scenario: an asteroid on a collision course. Another use can be quick construction of large underground storage tanks for gas or oil. Or extracting the rest of oil from almost empty

Re: CDR: RE: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-04-03 Thread Mike Rosing
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Damian Gerow wrote: The list can go on and on. The US is *not* a popular country right now. Not only could I see Mexico turning a blind eye, but I can see a large part of the world taking the same stance. I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying. The US, I'd like

cooperative evil bit

2003-04-03 Thread Morlock Elloi
ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc3514.txt excerpt: 1. Introduction Firewalls [CBR03], packet filters, intrusion detection systems, and the like often have difficulty distinguishing between packets that have malicious intent and those that are merely unusual. The problem is that

Re: cooperative evil bit

2003-04-03 Thread Sunder
Dumbass! - Have you ever heard of April fools? --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :and didn't stop 9-11|share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ --*--:Instead of

Re: Nuking kasmir (Re: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV)

2003-04-03 Thread Sarad AV
helo, Hilarious, dude. Who got nukes first? India. Nope US did. India got after US and before pakistan.Pak claims to have nukes since 1983,though they were tested only in 1999-his report comes frm pakistan. See your own propoganda site, US is not the only counrty who can do that :-)

RE: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-04-03 Thread Vincent Penquerc'h
The suicide bombers will come here entirely on their own for the most part, or perhaps with the help of Al-queda type groups. There will be no country to retaliate against. That alone could easily send us into a But that wouldn't be a good escape for a govt: mind your pawns (er,

RE: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-04-03 Thread Sunder
Right, we won't use nukes, we'll just use 'depleted' uranium core artillery, thermobaric bunker busters (aka mini-nukes), daisy cutters and MOABS; After all, those aren't weapons of mass destruction. --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :NSA got

Re: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-04-03 Thread Peter Gutmann
Kevin S. Van Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can think of several entirely ethical uses of nuclear weapons, with the usage not motivated by hate but simple utility: 1. You have a large invading fleet approaching your nation. A few nukes out in the middle of the ocean could handily take out the

Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?

2003-04-03 Thread Ken Brown
Harmon Seaver wrote: You don't translate names. Especially you don't change the name of the god. Read the Old Testament, see how incredibly many times you find phrases like the holy name of the lord, blessed be the name, the wonderful name, etc. You don't even know the difference between

Regime Change in Washington

2003-04-03 Thread Tim May
Operation American Freedom has gained a powerful new ally, as Senator John Kerry of Massachussets is now calling for regime change in Washington, D.C. Dug-in on the other side of the river, the criminal Bush regime is protected by the elite Republican Guard. And they are known to possess

Language and name changes

2003-04-03 Thread Tim May
On Thursday, April 3, 2003, at 11:43 AM, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote: Harmon Seaver wrote: Ever hear of King Ferdinand of Spain? His real name was, of course, Fernando -- Ferdinand is merely the English equivalent. Likewise, English and Spanish speakers use different names for the same

RE: Trials for those undermining the war effort?

2003-04-03 Thread Trei, Peter
Harmon Seaver[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 10:12:53AM -0600, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote: Harmon Seaver wrote: Translate/transliterate is irrelevant -- you don't change people's names, Ever hear of King Ferdinand of Spain? His real name was, of course, Fernando

Re: Foreign adventures and economic imperialism

2003-04-03 Thread James A. Donald
-- If Russia, Chaina and the EU really wanted to, they could use conventional weapons and force the US to at least retreat from trying to rule the world. James A. Donald: This supposes the US is trying to rule the world, which is not apparent -- at least not to the US. Tim

Re: Foreign adventures and economic imperialism

2003-04-03 Thread Tim May
On Thursday, April 3, 2003, at 11:37 AM, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote: Tyler Durden wrote: As far as I can tell, we've been actively meddling in foreign governments since the early 1950s. I haven't been; have you? If not, then you shouldn't use the term we. One of the mind games that state

RE: Nuking kasmir (Re: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV)

2003-04-03 Thread Trei, Peter
Sarad AV[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: helo, Hilarious, dude. Who got nukes first? India. Nope US did. India got after US and before pakistan.Pak claims to have nukes since 1983,though they were tested only in 1999-his report comes frm pakistan. For those to young to remember,

Re: Foreign adventures and economic imperialism

2003-04-03 Thread Bill Frantz
At 11:54 AM -0800 4/3/03, Tim May wrote: If my neighbor wishes to contribute to the Ruwandans or the Iraqi Liberation Front, he is welcome to. Operation Iraqi Liberation has a better acronym. Cheers - Bill - Bill Frantz

Re: Ex-Intel VP Fights for Detainee

2003-04-03 Thread Tim May
On Thursday, April 3, 2003, at 05:06 AM, Sunder wrote: http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,58326,00.html Ex-Intel VP Fights for Detainee By Leander Kahney 02:00 AM Apr. 03, 2003 PT Friends of an Intel programmer who is being held in a federal prison can't help but shake their heads in

Re: Foreign adventures and economic imperialism

2003-04-03 Thread Tyler Durden
This is an important point, and begs the obvious question: Are we responsible for what our government does? (Let me push Tyler away from the keyboard...fortunately he seems to be most active when I am asleep...) If I pay my taxes, aren't I to some extent funding the war effort? Of course, one

Re: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-04-03 Thread Sarad AV
hi, yes-thats probabaly why they nuked hirsoshima and nagasaki. Dont undermine the hate.There was no logic either.There was no logic in nuking thousand of people in hirsohma saying their existance is less important to thousands of people who might live,if the city was nuked. Sarath.

Re: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV

2003-04-03 Thread Sarad AV
hi, Why are the suicide bombers after US troops-its the hate.It does work .Yesterday at najaf(iraq)-a family of 8 women and atleast 2 children were killed by allied troops.They claimed that the vehicle sped towards an allied check post.So they fired warning shots to *stop* the vehicle. When it

Re: S-Tools Stego makes an appearance in Law and Order-SVU

2003-04-03 Thread John Kelsey
At 07:15 AM 3/31/03 +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote: For very-low-bandwidth data transfers hidden in wideband streams, we could maybe use timing of packets. Wouldn't work with more congested networks, and would need some kind of REALLY heavy-duty error correction, but could be rather difficult to

Chomsky: Iraq is a trial run

2003-04-03 Thread Tyler Durden
What Chomsky says below is no suprise to most of those on this list, left/right/other. What IS of interest is that fact that a universal consensus seems to be emerging about the US's role in the world, and Chomsky articulates this sentiment. -TD (from www.zmag.org) IRAQ Noam Chomsky ,

Re: cooperative evil bit

2003-04-03 Thread Tyler Durden
It was so simple! They should have done this years ago... Reminds me of a friend that was on a standards commmittee. The committee generated a time requirement for some kind of satellite signal to be sent, and the requirement meant that light speed would be broken. In response, my friend wrote

'Peking' vs 'Beijing'

2003-04-03 Thread Tyler Durden
The other was an actual change in the name of the city, from Northern Plains to Northern Capitol. This analysis doesn't explain everything. Modern Mandarin (which into its current form early in the 20th century), along with its linguistic northern predecessor has no sound such as king, though