that's far from now...
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cide, and on what criteria?
Also, if that application is important enough, why nobody worked on
porting it to Python 3?
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On 7/9/19 12:22 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Monday, July 8, 2019 5:45:17 PM EDT Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> How can I get debtree to use Sid instead of Buster (as I'd prefer to
>> keep this VM running Buster)? I could set this VM up and a cron job for
>> how long we
On 7/9/19 12:05 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:
>
>
>> On Jul 8, 2019, at 2:45 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>>
>> What I did so far:
>> debtree -R --rdeps-depth=100 python2.7 >py2.7.deps.dot
>> dot -Tsvg -o py2.7.deps.svg py2.7.deps.dot
>>
>> The res
On 7/8/19 6:28 PM, Stewart Ferguson wrote:
> On 2019-07-08 00:13:45, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> On 7/7/19 5:31 PM, Matthias Klose wrote:
>>> you can start dropping it now, however please don't drop anything yet with
>>> reverse dependencies. So leaf packages first
On 7/8/19 10:10 AM, Ansgar wrote:
> Thomas Goirand writes:
>> On 7/7/19 5:31 PM, Matthias Klose wrote:
>>> you can start dropping it now, however please don't drop anything yet with
>>> reverse dependencies. So leaf packages first.
>>
>> I'm sorry,
our best to speed-up the Python 2
removal as much as possible, so that we can see what's remaining to be
done. If we don't do it fast, then we may end up in the very bad
situation you're describing.
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stuff, so why should we bother on this simple case?
Last, a 2 years cycle to get rid of all traces of Python 2 *will* take
some time, maybe more than we can even think of, so we'd better take
some shortcuts if we can.
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call last):
> File "/usr/bin/pip3", line 9, in
> from pip import main
> ImportError: cannot import name 'main'
Hi,
The issue is probably pipenv breaking pip. If you try pip3 list before
installing pipenv, it does work.
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into the Buster
version rather than the stretch one, as we've reworked it a lot.
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Hi,
Clack Boylan, from the OpenStack infra team, wrote this patch:
https://github.com/pypa/pip/pull/6367/commits/f8292a304deebcf0e4cda2e40caa226c70030f11
which fixes this:
https://bugs.debian.org/837764
I do believe this should be part of Buster. Any objection?
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ing so long? This really give the feeling the "team"
is still very much dysfunctional,
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orrectly. Often, it doesn't.
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ust there for
historic reasons.
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appropriate?
If you join the team, I see no reason why you couldn't do the upgrade
yourself indeed, especially if you do a 10-day NMU on it.
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t of the patch
is done as usual (except that it's done *before* the folder rename).
I hope this helps,
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On 11/5/18 9:08 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> Hi there!
>
> During Debconf, we decided we would not decide yet, and see in November
> if we think it's reasonable to allow Python 3.7 to reach Buster. Time
> has passed, RC bugs have been fixed, and now is probably the time t
before the freeze). In any ways, it'd be nice to communicate
what you're planning on doing.
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n't like.
No. Github was using proprietary software before Microsoft's acquisition
and most Debian people advised against using Github for years before it.
Now that it has happened, it looks like a lot of people understand
better why we were saying it.
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ams/PythonModulesTeam
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/PythonModulesTeam/HowToJoin
https://wiki.debian.org/Python/LibraryStyleGuide
I hope this helps,
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o ok to ask for help, but that
doesn't seem to be your way. I'm kind of disappointed to see no answer
to #902631 from you in this regard, leaving the bug open for nearly 3
months now. Could you at least let Nicolas do the upload?
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s to add:
extend-diff-ignore = "^[^/]*[.]egg-info/"
in your debian/source/options file. The rest of the files are normally
cleaned automatically by dh_clean.
> I can create a .gitignore file for them?
Don't.
> or I have to push this files/folder to salsa?
Don't. Please write a correct clean target in your rules file instead.
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On 08/21/2018 10:26 AM, Ondrej Novy wrote:
> Hi,
>
> po 20. 8. 2018 v 12:37 odesílatel Thomas Goirand <mailto:z...@debian.org>> napsal:
>
> If you do the later, then anyway, you'll have to do the former if you
> need backports. This bite me a few time
aded PBR 4.2.0-2 with lots of in debian/control,
which includes removing mock if such build profile is activated.
I hope this helps,
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imes with OpenStack already. So, no
mater what the faith of the sphinx-build command, it's always best to
use python3 -m sphinx, IMO.
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ks
>
> Olivier
Well, the upload of yesterday from Jan Dittberner fixed it. Just wait it
migrates to testing.
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On 08/08/2018 09:19 PM, Nikolaus Rath wrote:
> On Aug 08 2018, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> On 08/08/2018 01:38 PM, Nikolaus Rath wrote:
>>> That doesn't make sense to me. git-dpm maintains (and rebases) Debian
>>> patches separately, so upgrading to a new upgrade re
patch, and try to manually modify the code to do what the patch suggests
... or not! That's the important bit. Be able to see what's going on and
take a wise decision.
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On 08/08/2018 01:38 PM, Nikolaus Rath wrote:
> That doesn't make sense to me. git-dpm maintains (and rebases) Debian
> patches separately, so upgrading to a new upgrade release can
> principally not be any harder than with gbp.
It is a nightmare when patches are conflicting.
> The problems with g
n
> better with dgit (of course..)
The problem with git-debrebase will be the same as with git-dpm. As soon
as you try to upgrade / merge a new upstream release, you dive into a
rebase/conflict nightmare.
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remove the minified javascript in a
patch *IF* (and only if) there is normal code next to it, which isn't
your case. So you must produce a +dfsg orig tarball.
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On 05/20/2018 11:49 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 05/17/2018 08:53 PM, Matthias Klose wrote:
>> PEP 394 [1] saw an update in April 2018 [2], the diffs at [3].
>>
>> The most important change from my point of view is
>>
>> -* It is suggested that even distribu
sioned provides, and to Debian 8
> introducing
> the same set of python2 packages.
>
> Matthias
Hi Matthias,
We need to clear-out something.
Is your proposal includes changing:
"Build-Depends: python{,-all,-dev}"
with:
"Build-Depends: python2{,-all,-dev}"
I don't think that's part of your proposal, but it looks like someone
understood this, I'm not sure why.
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t want. And I'm sure that
I'm not the only one confused.
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ython command, but
> maybe with a python2 command.
I very much support this proposal, and don't understand why Scott and
Piotr aren't (plus seemingly inventing things you haven't proposed).
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w about we
just do a few NMUs as a team to fix that completely in the archive?
Ondrej, what's the list of packages?
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sor likes it, and then see if your sponsor prefers
Git only. Later on, if you get into the habits of having only 1 or 2
sponsors, then maybe you'll arrange with them to use only Git.
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ok to upload to Debian later.
I hope this helps,
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gins.
>
> Which package is the one that's failing to build now?
I agree with the above. Never the less, I don't see why we wouldn't ship
easy_install anymore, it's still useful (outside of packaging).
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hanks,
> Joseph
Hi Joseph,
I've archived the repo, which is the procedure in the team when
something goes away (at least, that's what I've been doing so far, and
unless Ondrej or others prefers something else?).
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As far as I am aware, nothing in Debian depends on django-celery.
>
> Any thoughts?
I agree as well. Please file a bug for its removal.
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ne could use it for tests.
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Django environment and restart
the tests. I'm not sure how hard that would be though.
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On 04/01/2018 11:55 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 03/26/2018 01:32 PM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Here's a list of packages that will FTBFS soon if dh-python will not be
>> added to Build-Depends (it's time to drop dh-python from python3's
>
one of the 49 needed uploads).
Thanks for the list, and good that you're planning on doing this,
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On 03/13/2018 10:11 AM, Ole Streicher wrote:
> and makes it harder for external people to find the package.
I don't see how. A query to https://packages.debian.org/foo will also
show python-foo, and same with apt-cache search. So how is it harder?
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nother package, and we have to
fallback to python-foo. Think about generic libs for compression,
images, network standards...
Which is why I think we should have standardize on python-foo for the
source package (which is what I do).
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ulting this very mailing list, of course. Opinions?
>
> TIA & Cheers
I also asked myself this question for python3 only packages.
I used to have:
- python-foo
- python3-foo
- python-foo-doc
But what now that python-foo is gone? Should I rename the doc package?
Please share your thoughts,
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ol.
- force python 3, and directly remove the Python 2 package.
I'm open to both directions.
But before that, I'd like to make sure dput-ng is in good enough shape,
and have my peers try it. I also would like to have approval from past
maintainers of dput before the upload.
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. Asking to join on the
Alioth group is definitively *not* the procedure.
I hope that helps,
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[1] https://python-modules.alioth.debian.org/policy.html
want, I can take care of importing the DPMT packages. Didn't we
have already scripts to migrate from SVN, written by tumbleweed? If we
do, then I can also do the work for apps, once they are migrated to Git.
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n your package. Sixer will patch the code in a way so that it
works with both Python 2 and 3.
Note that it wont do *all* for you, like you'll have to convert print
statements into function calls manually, but it does a big chunk, which
is quite helpful.
I hope that helps,
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On 10/26/2017 03:02 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> To avoid breakage, I'll wait for antlr support for Python 3 passes the
> NEW queue, and then upload. I've already merged to master.
I've found out that antlr.py is embedded, and still in use in this
upstream release. So I added
On 10/26/2017 12:27 PM, Jan Dittberner wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 08:02:57PM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> Hi Jan,
>>
>> I've pushed to the git a new branch called new-upstream-1.3.0, which
>> adds Python 3 support, and some improvements to the package
to add Python 3 support on as
many packages as I can, and finally get rid of Python 2, so it'd be
great if you could review it.
Note that I've added python3 support to antlr, though now I'm not sure
if xlwt even use it anymore. Maybe we should also remove it's depends?
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On 10/04/2017 04:41 AM, Ghislain Vaillant wrote:
>
>
> On 03/10/17 22:46, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> On 09/29/2017 01:08 PM, PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel wrote:
>>> Hello guyes.
>>>
>>>> override_dh_sphinxdoc:
>>
and have Build-Profiles: for the python-foo-doc package. This
could even become a standard in the DPMT if everyone agrees.
Thoughts anyone?
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On 10/01/2017 11:50 PM, Matthias Klose wrote:
> On 01.10.2017 21:33, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> On 10/01/2017 09:47 AM, Ghislain Vaillant wrote:
>>> Besides, rrom an end-user perspective, I can't picture anyone preferring
>>> the (potentially lagging) packaged versi
at least would care. And would very much welcome anyone doing the work
of packaging and maintaining this kind of software.
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e years, I found using this method a way better than using
"python{3,} setup.py build_sphinx". I'd suggest you try my way too.
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On 08/07/2017 12:20 AM, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
> Thomas references the AUTHORS and ChangeLog files (which embed
> important metadata from the revision control system into the release
> tarball, far from useless in my opinion); but taking the
> nova-15.0.0.tar.gz release for example, those two files
k
it feels "clean".
And by the way, when it comes to the OpenStack stuff, FTP masters have
already expressed their dislike of the upstream ChangeLog: it is a *WAY*
to big, at the level of megabytes sometimes, and it may appear in .deb
files that would otherwise be a few kilobytes. All this isn't new...
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s talking about moving *general
purpose* Python libraries only. The rest of will continue to use the
workflow of generating orig files using "git archive".
At least, that's what I understand from our sprint meetings, and that is
if anyone (but me) in the team dares to start doing a little bit of
packaging, which I haven't seen happening so far...
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Hi,
Thanks for raising these questions, and giving me the opportunity to
debunk some of the things you mentioned.
On 05/17/2017 11:31 AM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
> [Thomas Goirand, 2017-05-17]
>> On 05/16/2017 02:38 PM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
>>> hint: Debian Python Policy §3.3
to find (ie: cat
/var/lib/dpkg/info/python-foo.list once the package is installed), the
egg name vs package name is a *way* more confusing. Besides this, our
priority should be our users, and I am convinced that most aren't python
developers.
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around in some ugly ways (ie:
with a "maintained by hand" list of pydists-overrides). I wish we could
have a constructive discussion about this here.
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pkgos-alternative-bin (from
openstack-pkg-tools) if you want some automations, so you don't need to
write the maintainer's scripts by hand (which is the main pain point).
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On 04/06/2017 09:36 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 04/06/2017 08:39 PM, Ondrej Novy wrote:
>> And auto -dbgsym doesn't support python-dbg. So it's wrong for Python C
>> modules.
>
> I guess I need to read more about this then.
>
> On 04/06/2017 06:31 PM, Dmit
d be just adding an
> Architecture: field to the -dbg packages (and for Buster, porting the
> code to support big endian architectures).
This looks like the most reasonable solution to me. Thoughts anyone?
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serves severity "grave"? Are others sharing
the view that it could be downgraded to "important"?
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diff -Nru python-cassandra-driver-3.7.1/debian/changelog
python-cassandra-driver-3.7.1/debian/changelog
--- python-cassandra-driver-3.7.1/debian/changel
(>= 1.4.0-2)
>> Reverse Depends: python-sahara (>= 1:5.0.0-2)
>> Reverse Depends: python-senlin (>= 2.0.0-2)
>> Reverse Depends: python-trove (>= 1:6.0.0-2)
>> Reverse Depends: python-watcher (>= 0.30.0-4)
>
> Alternative: maybe I should go to the other plan of uploading the old
> version of kombu with an increased epoch?
Upgrading all of the above is absolutely not possible. I see that it was
uploaded with 4.0.2+really3.0.35+dfsg-2 which was the correct thing to
do. Thanks!
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ponents are still not fully
Py3 compatible.
So yeah, in this case, it is a little bit too soon to drop Python 2.
Hopefully, we will be able to do that before Buster.
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m that, no problem with other upstream files.
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emote plugin). First of all, upstream not using git are the very
few minority these days, so it's very rare cases to handle, and most of
the time, it's upstream who aren't very active, so it's not really a big
problem: I just use pristine-tar.
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d be minimal. They
are, from my view point, a binary release, not a source release.
It makes a lot of sense to therefore use the git repository, which is
what I've been doing as much as possible.
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On 03/06/2017 11:18 PM, Brian May wrote:
> On 2017-03-07 08:43, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>
>> I prefer if we use debian/unstable rather than debian/master though, so
>> it is more explicit where we upload that branch.
>
> My reading of DEP-14 is that is says we should use
his
using:
# cat debian/gbp.conf
[DEFAULT]
debian-branch = debian/unstable
Last, I would consider it a nice improvement. Not a critical one. So if
others feel like we should keep the git-dpm old layout to avoid
confusing people, I wouldn't mind so much.
Your thoughts?
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any problems, knows where the well-written documentation
> is, etc. We need dedicated people to help people on IRC and email when they
> get stuck or have a problem. And we have to consider the needs of those for
> whom contribution to DPMT is not a full-time job.
I already talked and wrote about it, I would very much like a packaging
CI/CD to be deployed for Debian. However, I'm scared to attempt doing it
by myself only. I don't want to become a single point of failure.
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On 03/05/2017 01:13 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On March 4, 2017 6:41:13 PM EST, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> On 03/04/2017 06:03 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>>> If you don't understand why, after repeated warnings,
>>> you were temporarily banned from team repository
On 03/05/2017 01:44 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Sunday, March 05, 2017 01:26:19 AM Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> On 03/04/2017 04:04 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>>> This was not about isolated mistakes.
>>> [...]
>>> I do not, however, think it's useful t
On 03/05/2017 06:09 PM, Allison Randal wrote:
> Well, that thread got exciting... I realize there's history here, folks,
> but for the good of Debian, please set that aside.
>
> On 03/04/2017 09:51 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> On 03/04/2017 06:42 AM, Clint Byrum wrote:
t interacting with. It'd be awesome if we could
see more of your contribution.
> So, let's keep working together. You have people who are ready to
> listen and want to help. Take advantage.
I hope it will really happen, and that some people really will help.
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On 03/04/2017 05:13 AM, Brian May wrote:
> Thomas Goirand writes:
>
>> And I'm not even addressing yet the horrible git-dpm troubles, how
>> many more years the team is forcibly burying every contributor into.
>
> There is discussion on changing this. The consensus
m for so long to also be very careful as well.
That's *not* hilarious, and I'm not amused,
Thomas Goirand (zigo)
ng already, and one of
the reasons I'm not comfortable moving packages to the team.
Thomas Goirand (zigo)
On 03/03/2017 04:09 PM, Allison Randal wrote:
> On 03/03/2017 08:01 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> Could you please put this on hold? It's possible that I resume my work
>> on OpenStack packages (though I can't disclose anything on this yet).
>
> Hi Thomas,
>
ile is considered deprecated upstream,
and only maintained for bugs and security. There's alternative
available, like python-oslo.concurrency.
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is at 0.9.0 upstream, but it'll stay at 0.8.8 for Stretch.
> Still, we'd like to have everything in place once the release happens and
> freeze is lifted.
>
> -Barry
Could you please put this on hold? It's possible that I resume my work
on OpenStack packages (though I can't disclose anything on this yet).
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On 01/29/2017 08:17 AM, Arto Jantunen wrote:
> Scott Kitterman writes:
>> Does that then result in one big undifferentiated mass of diff in the source
>> package?
>
> No, it results in separate patches with their headers intact in the
> source package. I assume git-dpm (which I've never used) pr
member what I did for this
package, for which I don't care much (I just tried to be helpful
globally in Debian in this case). Did I forget to include what I push to
Git? :/
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package names, we wouldn't have any substitution to
calculate.
Anyway, I don't see why Django modules should be an exception to any
rule we choose. If upstream is missing the "django-" prefix, then we
should suggest it.
Thomas Goirand (zigo)
o discourage upstream to use namespaced
modules. This indeed could prevent from running unit tests. That's what
has been discovered in the OpenStack world, and now all the oslo libs
aren't using namespace (though we've kept the dot for the egg-names).
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On 11/07/2016 04:21 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Monday, November 07, 2016 10:08:25 AM Barry Warsaw wrote:
>> On Nov 07, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>>> So, I don't agree with you, and believe that gradually using
>>> #!/usr/bin/python2 is a good
n't care if the python version is 2 or 3, that's what IMO they should
rightly do).
So, I don't agree with you, and believe that gradually using
#!/usr/bin/python2 is a good approach to the transition. IMO, that's
what we should start doing as much as possible.
If the dependencies for Python itself aren't calculated well with that
shebang, then we should address that to make it right regardless of this
choice.
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ake it more automated. Does anyone have an idea about how to write such
automation?
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s_proxy to do that, really,
is the wrong way. Lots of my packages contain intersphinx disabling patches.
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ry Sphinx-using
> package?
I don't see why upstream requiring PYTHONPATH=. would be bad...
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===
* Why do you think you need such a file? The issue is there, it's not a
false positive, so just leave lintian complain. It gives a warning, not
a hard error, so that's fine.
Everything else looked ok to me, though it was only a quick look...
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il, because each SMTP
server on the way to your inbox can add a "Received:" field, so you can
trace the email.
So yes, footers in emails can break stuff, but not mangling subject,
which is part of the metadata.
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Hi Ondrej, and many others,
Here's the explanations from Andreas Beckmann. It just appear to pop in
my mail today. It's IMO convincing.
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