date:20121129


Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:

Hi

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 09:25:12AM +, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Mi, 28 nov 12, 18:33:43, Richard Owlett wrote:


1st trial, 1st install, 1st try
  no swap, after su  password   attempted apt-get install gdm3
gedit gparted
result - massive crash


The error messages would have been very useful.


Of course - for an proper bug report.
After giving the highs and lows of my initial tries, that is 
why I asked Do I have enough to justify ME spending time to 
get reproducible results? That has an implied question 
Would my results be expected due not having a primary 
partition or not having a swap partition?






as there had been warning message of strangeness possible without
SWAP, not surprised


How much RAM does your test machine have?


I'm not sure on that machine. Automatic disk partitioning 
sets up a 2.5 GB SWAP partition.



 Assuming lack of memory is the
problem apt-get might have been killed by the OOM killer and as far as I
know this is logged.
(On OpenWRT one can see it with 'dmesg', don't know about Debian).


dmesg also works on debian - not because of any particular feature of
Debian, but rather because of that's the way the Linux kernel works -
it has a buffer (8K IIRC) which contains the last kernel messages.

Also: The default debian syslog config should write this to
/var/log/kern.log, where you will have the additional benefits of
timestamps. Obviously, if the crash is _really_ bad, then nothing may
end up on disk...



Knowing where to look is half the battle. Thanks all.



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Re: Memory errors on new memory in new system

2012-11-29 Thread Gary Dale


On 29/11/12 02:38 AM, Marc Shapiro wrote:

On 11/28/2012 09:24 AM, Gary Dale wrote:
I'm afraid I can't really answer that. All I can do is repeat that 
when MemTest86+ reports an error, it is a good indication that you 
have a problem. I've seen this on systems where MemTest86+ reported 
only a few problems but the computer locked up intermittently in use. 
Replacing the memory with ones that MemTest86+ passed cured the lockups.


I also have a motherboard that was running reliably for 2 years then 
started locking up. MemTest86+ reported that the memory was OK but 
Klaus Knopper's suggestion that it was a chipset problem seemed 
reasonable since the problem occurred during operations where both 
memory and disk access were high. The manufacturer meanwhile replaced 
the board three times with repaired boards all of which displayed the 
same problem. Their repair testing tests components in isolation, 
which usually is OK but in this case failed to trigger the real problem.


The problem seems to be more common on modern hardware than on older 
systems. I hadn't seen it before but now have seen it on a couple 
different motherboards. Slowing down the memory access cures it.


Well, it's not just Memtest86+ that is reporting errors.  I decided to 
get a second opinion, as it were, and installed memtester from the 
Debian repository.  I let it run through 5 cycles of its tests. I have 
included the results of the first loop below.  The other loops were 
similar.  None of the five loops found any errors in the first 9 
tests.  The 'Checkerboard' test found errors in 2 of the 5 tests and 
only the first test found errors in the 'Waking zeros' test.  As you 
can see, I was testing 7GB on an 8GB system.  This was running from 
inside an xterm while I was cruising the web.  As you can see from the 
results of running 'free' while the test was going, I had under 80GB 
(less than 1% of my total memory) free, so the full memory was getting 
a workout.  I am just having difficulty with the idea that there are 
this may memory errors throughout the range of the RAM and I keep 
right on working with no apparent difficulties? Others that I have 
talked to, who have actually had memory go bad on them (I never have, 
before) say that it is extremely obvious and normal operations are not 
possible.  I believe the term he used was that the OS completely 
wigged out!


Do I really have bad memory?  Or is this some other kind of 
aberration.  Sunday is the end of my in-store return period.  After 
that I have to ship things back to manufacturers which is a problem if 
I don't really know were the trouble lies.


Of course bad memory doesn't always make the computer lock up 
completely. MemTest86+ and memtester clearly are able to trigger errors 
without the system screeching to a halt. Conversely, an entire stick can 
fail leading to your system running with less memory than you installed. 
In this case, you may not notice any problems except for slower performance.


When it's only certain patterns that fail, a system failure would depend 
on that particular byte experiencing that particular pattern shift in a 
manner that causes the program to noticeably fail. A bit being flipped 
in a data area, for example, may lead to a subtle data error, such as a 
glitch in a video, or it may not even show up - such as a bit in an 
unused portion of a buffer.


My advice is that if MemTest86+ shows you have a memory problem, believe 
it. Even if it doesn't show errors, that doesn't mean that there aren't 
memory access issues.



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Implementing Zimbra Collaborative Space on Debian 64 bit

2012-11-29 Thread Harshad Joshi

Has anybody implemented Zimbra Open source collaborative software on debian
6, 64 bit machine?

If yes, please mail me..this mailing list replies are for some reasons not
received on gmail..

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Re: User group in SW Missouri?


slick.coo...@gmail.com wrote:

[snip]

I just found and joined this *new* lug started by a Joe Swietzer in Stotts 
City. Counting me, there are now 2 members, but who knows? Maybe we will grow 
into a good group. I started getting serious about learning and using Linux in 
May of this year. I've enjoyed the challenge of getting things done and have 
hopped between learning Linux and different programming languages. I've more or 
less settled on learning Python programming. Here is a link to Joe's initial 
post:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/groups/south-west-missouri-linux-users-group/
Look forward to seeing you there.
Steve


Thanks for link.


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Re: Memory errors on new memory in new system

On Wed, 2012-11-28 at 23:38 -0800, Marc Shapiro wrote:
 Do I really have bad memory?

You are using the computer without issues, while your RAM is stressed.
Did you run a RAM test that is not from a Debian distribution?

You RAM could be bad, but it's not likely.

As I've written several times. Here it's the same. Ubuntu's Memtest
(perhaps packages from Debian source) claims my RAM is broken.

My machine is a real-time audio production environment and I don't have
issues!

The same version of Memtest from Parted Magic never reports a single
error, when running it fror more than 24 hours.

I the past I noticed this also with Memtest from other distros.

It's not that the developers are idiots, but they have to keep on track
with new hardware, take a look at the changelog:
http://www.memtest.org/#change

So when I say it's bad software, than I don't mean the coders are less
good, just that it's impossible to write a reliable RAM test
application.

If you know that something is fishy with your RAM, than you can use
memtest for troubleshooting, but just to test new RAM this software is
useless. The results tend to be wrong.

YMMV!
Ralf




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Re: User group in SW Missouri?


Russell L. Harris wrote:

* slick.coo...@gmail.com slick.coo...@gmail.com [121129 05:00]:

On Saturday, July 14, 2012 4:20:01 PM UTC-5, Richard Owlett wrote:

Stan Hoeppner wrote:

On 7/14/2012 9:39 AM, Chris wrote:

From: Richard Owlettrowl...@cloud85.net

...

In my experience these gatherings serve mostly a social function,
not a technical/learning function.


Check with local colleges.


Snicker ;/


 Before Debian arrived at its present state
of user-friendliness, Linux user groups at colleges and universities
commonly hosted Installfests at the beginning of each semester.
Students and members of the surrounding community would bring their
computers, complete with monitor and, sometimes, printer, to the
campus; they would leave two or three hours later with a working and
properly-configured Linux configuration.


A Kansas City, MO group appears to have Installfests on a 
frequent basis  {http://www.kclug.org/}




Today, more comprehensive installers and almost-universal access to
the Internet have diminished the need for the installfest.  And today,
if you do locate and attend an installfest, you likely are not going
to see anyone pulling a cart loaded with a desktop machine, keyboard,
monitor, and cables...

RH





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Kobo desktop (native)

(1) Native
-

This attempt is for installing the .deb package (non-official) found here.

I found this guy, George Talusan,
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82378page=14
 a Kobo developer intern. He prepared a debian package.

But I got some dependency problems, if anyone can help.

My machine is a DELL vostro i5, 64 bits, with Debian Wheezy.
(I don't remember why, but I have also some i386 packages. Maybe it
was because of wine, some time ago.)


Thanks,
Beco.

PS. Errors:


# dpkg -i kobo-desktop.deb
(Reading database ... 308087 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace kobo-desktop 2.1.3-1 (using kobo-desktop.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement kobo-desktop ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kobo-desktop:
 kobo-desktop depends on libusb-0.1-4.
 kobo-desktop depends on libpng3.
 kobo-desktop depends on libjpeg62.
 kobo-desktop depends on libzip1.
 kobo-desktop depends on libssl0.9.8.

dpkg: error processing kobo-desktop (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
 kobo-desktop





# apt-get install libusb-0.1-4:i386 libpng3:i386 libjpeg62:i386
libzip1:i386 libssl0.9.8:i386
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Package libssl0.9.8:i386 is not available, but is referred to by
another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source

Package libzip1:i386 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source

E: Package 'libzip1:i386' has no installation candidate
E: Package 'libssl0.9.8:i386' has no installation candidate






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Kobo desktop (wine)

(2) Wine
-


This attempt is for installing
#wine kobosetup.exe


Wine installed kobosetup.exe ok, it works at least the minimal, but no
connection to the net. It doesn't let me to sign in. It says:

Sorry! We can't seem to connect to the Webstore. Please check your
network connection and try again.

This pages says it works with other distro:
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=versioniId=20510

I wonder what would be the mystery to make it work with Debian.

Thanks!
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Kobo desktop (3 attempts)

Hi guys,

As I decided to buy a Kobo, now I'm having some trouble with its software.

I see 3 solutions: wine, virtualbox and a native app.

I'll break this thread in three, so we can organize better. But also,
if have some tip regarding all of them, this is thread is for you.
Thanks!

Kelly Clowers,
Thanks for the tips. I also find it surprising people recommend
tablets for reading books. Not only battery, but the bright screen.
Also, what some may find usefull, like a convergent device that does
all the stuff (games, phone call, office), for me it is actually a
diversion from the main intent. Reading a good book needs peace and no
distractions! :)



Beco.

PS. Using Debian Wheezy.






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Kobo and Blackberry desktop (virtualbox)

(3) Virtualbox
-

This is an attempt to run Kobo and Blackberry inside a virtual machine.
The problem described here is for the Blackberry device, as I don't
have the Kobo yet. I'm using it on the thread name to save this thread
to next week,
when I'll get my hands on Kobo and then I will be able to state here
if it works or not, for the record.

I installed Kobo Desktop as a software on my (coercively pre-paid)
windows 7 as guest system.
It installed perfectly.

So it did Blackberry Desktop software. Both see internet, and works just fine.

As I still don't have the device with me, I can't say it will work
when I pulled Kobo on USB.

To test USB connected devices, I tried to see if Blackberry Desktop
could see my mobile (a BB curve 8900).

I configured the Enable USB Controller and also the Enable USB 2.0
(EHCI) Controller check box. I installed the Oracle Extension Package
to make this work.

But putting the mobile on the USB doesn't trigger anything, no USB
filter is created. I tried to create a filter of my own, using this
configuration:

Name: Blackberry
Vendor ID: 0fca
Product ID: 8004
Revision:
Manufacturer: Research In Motion
Product: RIM Composite Device
Serial No: D5257567011D1C20F41AAB863141F7B3971E97DF
Port: I don't know what to put here!?
Remote: I don't know what to choose here: any/yes/no?

The filter was created, with some tests on the last two iten, but I
could not see Virtualbox telling me there was a USB connected.

The menu USB shows a disabled (gray font) text saying: No USB devices
connected

Thanks any help!
Beco

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Re: PNG borked

On Thu, 2012-11-29 at 10:23 -0500, S Scharf wrote:
 Lately on my Testing systems the PNG thumbnails are all showing up as
 blank images. Anyone know what broke?
I guess /usr/share/thumbnailers is not a place to check in this case.
What file browser do you use? Nautilus/GNOME3?

If there should be a file ~./thumbnails/fail, did you delete it? Or did
you test what happens if you delete ~/.cache?

I'm not using Debian testing, this are just shots in the dark.




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Re: User group in SW Missouri?

2012-11-29 Thread Brad Alexander

Richard,

I just talked to Russ Woodman (k5tux) who used to run the Springfield
LUG. He is trying to start up a semi-online group. The website is at
http://417oss.org. You could check that out...

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On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote:
Russell L. Harris wrote:

* slick.coo...@gmail.com slick.coo...@gmail.com [121129 05:00]:

On Saturday, July 14, 2012 4:20:01 PM UTC-5, Richard Owlett wrote:

Stan Hoeppner wrote:

On 7/14/2012 9:39 AM, Chris wrote:

From: Richard Owlettrowl...@cloud85.net

...

In my experience these gatherings serve mostly a social function,
not a technical/learning function.

Check with local colleges.

Snicker ;/

Before Debian arrived at its present state
of user-friendliness, Linux user groups at colleges and universities
commonly hosted Installfests at the beginning of each semester.
Students and members of the surrounding community would bring their
computers, complete with monitor and, sometimes, printer, to the
campus; they would leave two or three hours later with a working and
properly-configured Linux configuration.

A Kansas City, MO group appears to have Installfests on a frequent basis
{http://www.kclug.org/}

Today, more comprehensive installers and almost-universal access to
the Internet have diminished the need for the installfest. And today,
if you do locate and attend an installfest, you likely are not going
to see anyone pulling a cart loaded with a desktop machine, keyboard,
monitor, and cables...

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Re: Kobo desktop (3 attempts)

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
edua...@kalinowski.com.br wrote:
 On Qui, 29 Nov 2012, Beco wrote:

 Hi guys,

 As I decided to buy a Kobo, now I'm having some trouble with its software.


 I have a Kobo Touch, and I only used it once, to register the device.
 After that, it is completely unnecessary. So perhaps you don't need to worry
 so much about it.


Hi Eduardo,

Thats nice. But how do you transfer files (PDF and ebooks) you already
have from your computer to Kobo?

Just like a pendrive?

Thanks.
Becl




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Re: Kobo desktop (native)

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Beco r...@beco.cc wrote:
 (1) Native
 -
 PS. Errors:


 # dpkg -i kobo-desktop.deb
 (Reading database ... 308087 files and directories currently installed.)
 Preparing to replace kobo-desktop 2.1.3-1 (using kobo-desktop.deb) ...
 Unpacking replacement kobo-desktop ...
 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kobo-desktop:
  kobo-desktop depends on libusb-0.1-4.
  kobo-desktop depends on libpng3.
  kobo-desktop depends on libjpeg62.
  kobo-desktop depends on libzip1.
  kobo-desktop depends on libssl0.9.8.

 dpkg: error processing kobo-desktop (--install):
  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
 Errors were encountered while processing:
  kobo-desktop



Hi guys,

Maybe this is the wrong way to do it, but I tried:

I downloaded squeeze packages:
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libzip1
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libssl0.9.8

I used :i386 (not sure why, looks like Kobo is i386).

Then finally I got it installed without errors:

# dpkg -i kobo-desktop.deb
Selecting previously unselected package kobo-desktop.
(Reading database ... 308041 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking kobo-desktop (from kobo-desktop.deb) ...
Setting up kobo-desktop (2.1.3-1) ...
#

Now starting the app gave:
$ Kobo
/usr/local/Kobo/Kobo: error while loading shared libraries:
libicuuc.so.44: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
directory
$


# dpkg --search libicuuc.so.44
dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern *libicuuc.so.44*

# dpkg --search libicuuc.so.48
libicu48:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libicuuc.so.48
libicu48:i386: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libicuuc.so.48.1.1
libicu48:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libicuuc.so.48.1.1
libicu48:i386: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libicuuc.so.48

So I tried the 48 version. But it still says it needs the 44...

Am I going the correct path?

Thanks!
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Re: Kobo desktop (3 attempts)

2012-11-29 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI


On Qui, 29 Nov 2012, Beco wrote:

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI

I have a Kobo Touch, and I only used it once, to register the device.
After that, it is completely unnecessary. So perhaps you don't need to worry
so much about it.



Hi Eduardo,

Thats nice. But how do you transfer files (PDF and ebooks) you already
have from your computer to Kobo?

Just like a pendrive?


Yes, you plug it and it appears as a storage device that can be easily  
mounted.


I also had to run Adobe Digital Editions once under Windows to  
associate the device with my Adobe account. While ADE runs under Wine,  
it did not recognize the device. Once the device was associated,  
though, Windows is not necessary anymore. I just download the DRM  
protected file in ADE under Wine, then manually copy the .epub file  
from ADE's diretory to the Kobo. Not the easises process, but you'll  
only need this if you buy DRM protected books from other sources.  
Books bought from the Kobo store are downloaded automatically.

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Re: Kobo desktop (native)

2012-11-29 Thread Darac Marjal

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 01:43:57PM -0300, Beco wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Beco r...@beco.cc wrote:
  (1) Native
  -
  PS. Errors:
 
 
  # dpkg -i kobo-desktop.deb
  (Reading database ... 308087 files and directories currently installed.)
  Preparing to replace kobo-desktop 2.1.3-1 (using kobo-desktop.deb) ...
  Unpacking replacement kobo-desktop ...
  dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kobo-desktop:
   kobo-desktop depends on libusb-0.1-4.
   kobo-desktop depends on libpng3.
   kobo-desktop depends on libjpeg62.
   kobo-desktop depends on libzip1.
   kobo-desktop depends on libssl0.9.8.
 
  dpkg: error processing kobo-desktop (--install):
   dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
  Errors were encountered while processing:
   kobo-desktop
 
 
 
 Hi guys,
 
 Maybe this is the wrong way to do it, but I tried:
 
 I downloaded squeeze packages:
 http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libzip1
 http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libssl0.9.8
 
 I used :i386 (not sure why, looks like Kobo is i386).
 
 Then finally I got it installed without errors:
 
 # dpkg -i kobo-desktop.deb
 Selecting previously unselected package kobo-desktop.
 (Reading database ... 308041 files and directories currently installed.)
 Unpacking kobo-desktop (from kobo-desktop.deb) ...
 Setting up kobo-desktop (2.1.3-1) ...
 #
 
 Now starting the app gave:
 $ Kobo
 /usr/local/Kobo/Kobo: error while loading shared libraries:
 libicuuc.so.44: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
 directory
 $
 
 
 # dpkg --search libicuuc.so.44
 dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern *libicuuc.so.44*
 
 # dpkg --search libicuuc.so.48
 libicu48:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libicuuc.so.48
 libicu48:i386: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libicuuc.so.48.1.1
 libicu48:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libicuuc.so.48.1.1
 libicu48:i386: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libicuuc.so.48
 
 So I tried the 48 version. But it still says it needs the 44...
 
 Am I going the correct path?

Once you've installed the *.deb file, try apt-get -f install. That
should point out that kobo-desktop is partially installed due to missing
dependencies and likely give you two options: to remove kobo-desktop or
to install the missing dependencies. Go with the latter.

Looking at your errors, though, you probably need to get an updated
package file; talk to your supplier.



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Re: Boot loaders for Linux that can also boot FreeBSD

2012-11-29 Thread Kelly Clowers

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
Hi :)

my apologies for cross-posting this to several Linux mailing lists.

I need a boot loader for Linux, that is comfortable to use for my needs,
a Linux multi-boot with
trillions of Linux installs,
trillions ^ 2 kernels and
(trillions ^ 2) * 1024 entries with different boot options, so something
as GRUB 2 is unusable for my needs.

Why is Grub unsuitable?

On a FreeBSD mailing list somebody wrote:
You might want to try a chainloader boot from grub. The following is a
chainloader rule that I have used, as well as a normal loader boot. I
use the loader boot, but I also tested the chainloader boot. You will
need a ufs2_stage1_5 file in your grub directory for a loader boot, and
linux grub might not have it available.

title FreeBSD, sda3 (oak) chainloader
root(hd1,2)
chainloader +1
boot

title FreeBSD, sda3 (oak) /boot/loader
root(hd1,2,a)
kernel /boot/loader
boot

Yes, ufs2_stage1_5 is missing, so when I tested

#title FreeBSD
#root (hd0,a)
#kernel /boot/loader

title FreeBSD
rootnoverify (hd0,1)
chainloader +1
boot

there was no error, but nothing happened, without the chainloader an
error 17, cannot mount selected partition appeared.

Maybe needs the BSD slice listed? or maybe needs insmod ufs2? And
probably should be set root= instead of rootnoverify

http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=5918

Cheers,
Kelly Clowers

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Re: ASUS K55VJ sound and video install

2012-11-29 Thread Gábor Hársfalvi

The Audio card - Altec Lansing, SonicMaster Sound - and Nvidia Graphics
card - Nvidia Geforce GT 635M 2GB

Someone please help :(


2012/11/23 Gábor Hársfalvi hgab...@gmail.com

 Hi,

 I succesfully installed Debian Squeeze x64 to a K55VJ Notebook, everything
 works perfectly but I couldn't install Nvidia driver and its sound card
 couldn't installed - disabled soundmanager icon on panel.

 Please show me the way, how to solve these problems.

 Thanks

Re: Memory errors on new memory in new system

2012-11-29 Thread Stan Hoeppner

On 11/28/2012 9:14 AM, Marc Shapiro wrote:
 On 11/27/2012 11:09 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
 On 11/27/2012 11:29 PM, Marc Shapiro wrote:

   Gigabyte 970A-DS3 MB
   8GB (2x4GB) Patriot G3 RAM

 The DIMMS are 1600.  According to the BIOS the CPU Timing is at 200 and
 the memory is at x8.0 which matches the 1600 speed of the memory.  How
 would I set that to match 1333?

 The timings are 4-5-5-15.

Those timings are not correct for DDR3-1600.  The timings you show above
are for DDR3-800 (PC3-6400).

The fastest DDR3-1600 (PC3-12800) modules have minimum SPD timings of
8-8-8-24.  The slowest are 11-11-11-28.

The information you're providing doesn't match reality.  With DDR3-1600
and those timings your mobo would simply not POST, and you'd likely get
loud beeps indicating memory failure.  If those timings are actually
what your mobo is auto detecting, then you have DDR3-800 sticks, or...

It's possible that you have mismatched DIMMS, one stick of 1600 and one
stick of 800, maybe 1333 ad 800.  That would easily explain the memory
problems you're having, as most mobo BIOS don't handle DIMM mismatches
very well, if at all.

Pull your DIMMs, write down the numbers on each, and respond here with
those numbers and we'll go from there.  If you have matching DDR3-1600
DIMMs then your mobo isn't reading SPD and setting timings correctly,
though this is very unlikely as I mentioned.  If you have two matched
DR3-800 sticks you'll want to try 6-6-6-15 timings.  If you have
mismatched DIMMs, one 800 and one 1600, etc, then you'll need to have
them replaced with a matching set.

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Re: Boot loaders for Linux that can also boot FreeBSD

2012-11-29 Thread Tom H

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:

 I need a boot loader for Linux, that is comfortable to use for my needs,
 a Linux multi-boot with
 trillions of Linux installs,
 trillions ^ 2 kernels and
 (trillions ^ 2) * 1024 entries with different boot options, so something
 as GRUB 2 is unusable for my needs.

 Until now I was comfortable with GRUB legacy, but now I add a FreeBSD
 install to my machine and against the claims at

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_boot_loaders

 GRUB legacy does not boot FreeBSD (until now). I was thinking of
 SYSLINUX, perhaps the most popular bootloader by Linux experts, but the
 Wiki says it doesn't support booting BSD.

 Since access to the freebsd-ufs partition by Linux is a PITA and Linux
 is most important for me, I wont use a FreeBSD bootloader. I need easy
 access to the bootloader's configuration file.

 On a FreeBSD mailing list somebody wrote:

 You might want to try a chainloader boot from grub. The following is a
 chainloader rule that I have used, as well as a normal loader boot. I
 use the loader boot, but I also tested the chainloader boot. You will
 need a ufs2_stage1_5 file in your grub directory for a loader boot, and
 linux grub might not have it available.

 title   FreeBSD, sda3 (oak) chainloader
 root(hd1,2)
 chainloader +1
 boot

 title   FreeBSD, sda3 (oak) /boot/loader
 root(hd1,2,a)
 kernel  /boot/loader
 boot

 Yes, ufs2_stage1_5 is missing, so when I tested

 #title FreeBSD
 #root   (hd0,a)
 #kernel /boot/loader

 title FreeBSD
 rootnoverify (hd0,1)
 chainloader +1
 boot

 there was no error, but nothing happened, without the chainloader an
 error 17, cannot mount selected partition appeared.

I'm sure that I'm going to regret asking however here goes: why is
grub2 unsuitable?

With grub2:

1) Multiboot from [a]:

menuentry FreeBSD {
insmod zfs
search --set=root --label freepool --hint hd0,msdos7
kfreebsd /freebsd@/boot/kernel/kernel
kfreebsd_module_elf /freebsd@/boot/kernel/opensolaris.ko
kfreebsd_module_elf /freebsd@/boot/kernel/zfs.ko
kfreebsd_module /freebsd@/boot/zfs/zpool.cache 
type=/boot/zfs/zpool.cache
set kFreeBSD.vfs.root.mountfrom=zfs:freepool/freebsd
set kFreeBSD.hw.psm.synaptics_support=1
}

2) Multiboot from notes that I saved:

(get the uuid of the bsd boot slice with grub-probe)

menuentry FreeBSD {
insmod part_msdos
insmod part_bsd
insmod ufs2
search --no-floppy --set=root --fs-uuid uuid
kfreebsd /boot/kernel/kernel
kfreebsd_loadenv /boot/device.hints
set FreeBSD.vfs.root.mountfrom=ufs:ufsid/uuid
set FreeBSD.vfs.root.mountfrom.options=rw
}

You can also use set FreeBSD.vfs.root.mountfrom=ufs:/dev/adXsYZ

2) Chainload

(get the uuid of the bsd boot slice with grub-probe)

menuentry FreeBSD {
insmod part_msdos
insmod part_bsd
insmod ufs2
search --no-floppy --set=root --fs-uuid uuid
kfreebsd /boot/loader
}

menuentry FreeBSD {
insmod part_msdos
insmod part_bsd
insmod ufs2
search --no-floppy --set=root --fs-uuid uuid
chainloader +1
}

a. 
http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Multi_002dboot-manual-config.html#Multi_002dboot-manual-config


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Re: Can Debian's paranoia be tamed

2012-11-29 Thread Celejar

On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 09:36:35 +0100
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:

  Display managers, and particularly window managers and desktop
  environments http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment are
  often confounded.  A window manager is a component of a desktop
  environment.  Decent desktop environments allow you to use the window
  manager of your choice.
 True, but I always had problems to know in what they are useful? Maybe 
 to automate distant connection configuration? Most users only use them 
 as a replacement of getty to start an xsession, I think, and for that 
 use, I wonder if it is really useful.
 
 Of course, I respect the fact people use it, but if someone could 
 explain me why, I would be happy to learn.

Indeed - I, and I believe many others, don't use them. We just startx
straight up.

Celejar


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Re: repost: xev on Thinkpad t61 ver. 6.0.4 squeeze

2012-11-29 Thread Celejar

On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:52:23 -0600
B. T. Raven cau...@sysmatrix.net wrote:

 [tried linux.debian.user and now gmane.linux.debian.user]
 
 
 I am not able to get xmodmap to work reliably on this laptop since xev
 won't report the keycode on all the mod keys. Usually, one or the other
 Ctrl keys generate a FocusOut instead of a normal keypress-keyrelease
 sequence. When the right Ctrl key generated a FocusOut event, showkey

Strange - on my T61, both Ctrl keys generate normal KeyPress and
KeyRelease events (although I'm using swapcaps, so its actually CapsLk
(keycode 66)  that reports Control_R.

Celejar


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Re: Boot loaders for Linux that can also boot FreeBSD

2012-11-29 Thread Weaver


On Thu, November 29, 2012 10:37 am, Tom H wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Ralf Mardorf
 ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:

 I need a boot loader for Linux, that is comfortable to use for my needs,
 a Linux multi-boot with
 trillions of Linux installs,
 trillions ^ 2 kernels and
 (trillions ^ 2) * 1024 entries with different boot options, so something
 as GRUB 2 is unusable for my needs.

 Until now I was comfortable with GRUB legacy, but now I add a FreeBSD
 install to my machine and against the claims at

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_boot_loaders

 GRUB legacy does not boot FreeBSD (until now).

snip

Hello Ralf,

Taking the specification of `trillions' of installs as a slight
exaggeration and not the combined efforts of multiple generations, I find
that GAG, a Spanish-based GPL effort, is quite comfortable booting as many
as nine different operating systems, including the BSDs.
Regards,

Weaver.

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Re: Printer brand recommendations

2012-11-29 Thread Tyler D

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Anthony Campbell a...@acampbell.org.uk
wrote:
On 26 Nov 2012, Curt Howland wrote:
Hi. I have a HP inkjet printer, PSC2100 from 2003, which still works
fine but something in Debian has changed.

It used to print graphics and photographs very well. But a year or so
ago graphics stopped being nice and started being grainy and
speckled, to the point where the names of roads can't be read in a
print of a Google Map.

I thought it was just driver confusion at first, but this has been
happening on multiple systems, across more than one reinstall.

Yet when I use Windows, it works perfectly.

It's bad enough and obviously not going to get fixed, that I would
like suggestions for a replacement printer/scanner.

Epsom? Cannon? What brand do people use that works well with xsane and CUPS?

Thank you,

Curt-

I always use lasers and a separate scanner so this is probably not what
you are looking for. Currently I had a Brother and a Samsung, both of
which work very well. I'm sure CUPS would work with both but I prefer
lprng + magicfilter. The driver from the Brother site used to work for
me but for some reason it stopped; however, the ljet4 driver provided
with magicfilter is fine.

I too always use lasers and a separate scanner. I've had good
experience with my Brother printer, HL-4150CDN.

At least for my specific printer, Brother has put out Linux drivers...
I *think* I've tried/used them in the past, but currently I do not
since the default KUbuntu 12.04 desktop allowed me to easily configure
it. One kwirk though: During the printer configuration wizard
thinggy, I had to specify that the model of the printer is a HL-4050
or something, but seems to work totally fine.

--Tyler

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Re: linux-vserver (or equvalent) in wheezy

2012-11-29 Thread Darren Baginski



08.06.2012, 17:41, John A. Sullivan III jsulli...@opensourcedevel.com:
 On Fri, 2012-06-08 at 09:40 +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:

  On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 12:58:16AM +0400, Darren Baginski wrote:
  Looks promising. Is there any infrastructure around yet?  I mean init 
 scripts
  for auto start , /etc/ files like the same for linux-vserver ?
  This was recently discussed on -devel, and several people commented that 
 there
  isn't yet good userland support for the LXC container mechanism.  At 
 present,
  there are no plans for vserver or openvz kernel packages in wheezy, so 
 wheezy
  is not going to have any well-supported container mechanism.

  Many might feel that this is a problem.  I think that the kernel maintainers
  may be short of time for supporting the other versions.

  Personally, I'm moving all our (non-Debian) vservers to KVM virtual 
 machines,
  despite not being as lightweight, for two main reasons: one, the advantage 
 of
  having distinct kernels per instance; two, the weightiness is not a problem
  on the newer hardware we have.

 I find there are other advantages to VServer.  We use both KVM and
 VServer in our environment on hefty hardware.  Not only do the lower
 requirements make a difference on highly virtualized systems (nothing
 like seeing dozens of small servers running in 8MB of RAM) but there are
 interesting advantages that can be gained from the shared file system
 and the ability to remount portions of the host file system into the
 guests.

 So we certainly see the need for both.  The VServer team is incredibly
 talented and helpful but also very small so we are keeping our eyes
 closely on LXC.  I'm just a little concerned about the userland tools.
 I had heard there was talk if util-vserver supporting LXC but I do not
 know how far that integration has gotten - John


Today I learned that Fedora going to support OpenVZ on top on the *stock* 
kernel.
Looks like that requires vzctl 4.1 (Debian how has 3.0.30 ).
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=866495
I'm curious if vzctl version can be updated before Wheezy release.
Basically  current vzctl can't be used in Wheezy because of the lack openvz 
compatible kernel.
Can someone more aware about topic shed some light ?


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Re: PNG borked

2012-11-29 Thread S Scharf

The thumbnail files are generated, but they are entirely transparent png's
with no image content.
I am using both nautilus and thunar (under xcfe)




On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@rocketmail.comwrote:

 On Thu, 2012-11-29 at 10:23 -0500, S Scharf wrote:
  Lately on my Testing systems the PNG thumbnails are all showing up as
  blank images. Anyone know what broke?
 I guess /usr/share/thumbnailers is not a place to check in this case.
 What file browser do you use? Nautilus/GNOME3?

 If there should be a file ~./thumbnails/fail, did you delete it? Or did
 you test what happens if you delete ~/.cache?

 I'm not using Debian testing, this are just shots in the dark.




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Re: User group in SW Missouri?

2012-11-29 Thread Russell L. Harris

* Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net [121129 13:21]:
 Russell L. Harris wrote:
 Check with local colleges.
 
 Snicker ;/

What are you saying?  Even if you are in a rural area, is there not a
college (or community college) within easy driving distance?  

Even a drive of, say, fifty miles each way, is not unreasonable.  A
visit to an installfest can be invaluable when one is setting out with
Linux, because of the expertise which such events attract.

Years ago, even after much reading, I had been unsuccessful in trying
to envision and implement a proper workflow for desktop publishing
with Emacs and LaTeX in the X environment.  Thankfully, I mentioned my
confusion to the guru who was installing my system, and in an
off-the-cuff demonstration which lasted less than ten minutes, he
demonstrated to me everything which I needed, in the process
introducing me to a key package -- xdvi -- with which I was
unfamiliar.

RH


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Re: Printer brand recommendations

2012-11-29 Thread Russell L. Harris

* Tyler D tdo...@gmail.com [121129 19:30]:
 On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Anthony Campbell a...@acampbell.org.uk 
 wrote:
  On 26 Nov 2012, Curt Howland wrote:
...
 At least for my specific printer, Brother has put out Linux drivers...

Recently I picked up a close-out special -- a Brother laser printer
with Brother's Postscript-3 emulation built-in.

I did not immediately find a CUPS Postscript Brother driver which
works with for the printer, but it took only a half hour of
experimentation to discover that one of the HP Postscipt drivers works
very well.

I since have found a Brother driver for the specific model, but I have
not bothered to install it, because the HP Postscript driver works so
well.

RH


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Re: a question about firewalls (or whatever else that might cause packet drop)

2012-11-29 Thread Pascal Hambourg

Matej Kosik a écrit :
 I am experiencing some deterministic packet drop:
 - when I tcpreplay on lo some pcap (0.pcap) file,
   that traffic does not reach listening applications
 
 I have discovered the following regularity:
 - if source IP address in given pcap is one of my IP addresses,
   then when I try to tcpreplay given pcap, the data is not delivered
   to applications
 - if I change all source IP addresses to any other non-local
   IP addresses (e.g. 10.0.10.6, 10.0.10.7, ...
   or if I use whatever other address from local network
   except for my address), then when I tcpreplay modified pcap file,
   then data is delivered to applications.

The tcpreplay FAQ (e.g. http://tcpreplay.synfin.net/wiki/FAQ) mentions
this issue, but the explanation about layer-2 header sounds dubious, as
just changing the source IP address changes the behaviour.

I may be wrong, but this sounds very much to me like the martian
source filtering which discards incoming IP packets with a source
address belonging to the host. Of course this should not happen (and
does not normally happen) on a loopback interface ; but my guess is that
normally generated IP packets sent over the loopback interface may
take some kind of shortcut in the networking stack and skip this
check, whereas packets injected by tcpreplay may take the full inbound
path as if they had be received on an external interface. You can enable
the log_martians sysctl to check this.

 iptables-save does not print anything so the list of rules might be
 empty, I guess.

Correct. Actually iptables is not even active (loaded), otherwise
iptables-save would at least display the empty built-in chains.


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Re: User group in SW Missouri?


Russell L. Harris wrote:

* Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net [121129 13:21]:

Russell L. Harris wrote:

Check with local colleges.


Snicker ;/


What are you saying?


It was an editorial comment based past experience of a 
member of the public getting any useful information out of 
the two most prominent local tax supported institutions. If 
I knew any of the student body I might have a chance.


As to the rest of your comments - you are preaching to the 
choir ;)



Even if you are in a rural area, is there not a
college (or community college) within easy driving distance?

Even a drive of, say, fifty miles each way, is not unreasonable.  A
visit to an installfest can be invaluable when one is setting out with
Linux, because of the expertise which such events attract.

Years ago, even after much reading, I had been unsuccessful in trying
to envision and implement a proper workflow for desktop publishing
with Emacs and LaTeX in the X environment.  Thankfully, I mentioned my
confusion to the guru who was installing my system, and in an
off-the-cuff demonstration which lasted less than ten minutes, he
demonstrated to me everything which I needed, in the process
introducing me to a key package -- xdvi -- with which I was
unfamiliar.

RH





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Re: Help - My apologies

2012-11-29 Thread Ethan Rosenberg, PhD


  
  
Dear list -

My messages were bouncing, and Hostway thought that it was from
your end.

I thought, mistakenly, that was the format to get a feedback on list
list operations.

I NEVER intentionally send spam. Both you and I are way to busy for
that.

My apologies.

Ethan

Re: how many users is enough?

2012-11-29 Thread Slavko

Hi,

Dňa Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:35:07 + Jon Dowland j...@debian.org
napísal:

 Slavko phrased it as 'Ubuntu leaves 93 % of packages untouched', which
 does not imply that packages only existing in Ubuntu and not Debian
 are considered in that 7%.

I want no flame, i want point that compare the Ubuntu and Debian (in
mean of contribution and packaging) has different base only.

  b. Some small percentage of Debian packages need to be tweaked to
  accommodate minor differences between the Ubuntu and Debian
  environments.
 
 So 7% of packages are tweaked, but that says nothing about how big
 the tweaks are, which was my point.

I did search and i found the source, here it is:
http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/11/22/how-ubuntu-builds-up-on-debian/

The numbers are 2 years old, and can be different now. But, IMO, the
exact numbers are not fundamental here.

  Now where the number of users/contributors might really come into
  play is when it comes to maintaining/developing those aspects of
  Debian and Ubuntu that are unique to the respective distros (e.g.,
  their installers and package repositories).
 
 One of the most important contributions one can make to Debian is to
 find, diagnose, test and fix bugs. They can exist in any package in
 the repository, not just those that are OS-specific, or particularly
 heavily customized in each OS - and how well that process works is 
 directly impacted by the number of users.

You are right, of course, bug hunting is simplest contribution. A lot
of people think, that for contribution they must know C, C++ or similar.
But testing  bugreporting can be done by anyone (only English is
needed). But, it can be sometime terrible. I have one package in mind -
the lightdm and its autologin feature - communication with maintainer
was terrible and caused, that i will don't fill bug for this package in
future.

There are other ways to contribute too - the translation, for example,
webpage, package's descriptions, documentation, etc. I mean
translation of the Debian's specific things.

And finally, there is this user mail list, where can be contribution
done too - by helping to others :-)

This last point of contribution is essential in Ubuntu/Debian
comparing. The Ubuntu users seems to be more visible by amount of their
forums, mail lists, articles, etc. The Ubuntu's howtos and articles
helps are mostly useful for Debian too. But i latest time i read
something about commercialization of the Ubuntu (if i proper remmeber,
Cannonical tell something about new OS, but Linux based), i am not sure
how this Ubuntu's users contribution will be in future and who will be
profit from it.

regards

-- 
Slavko
http://slavino.sk


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legacy-bootordering in Wheezy?

2012-11-29 Thread Rob van der Putten


Hi


Does wheezy support /etc/init.d/.legacy-bootordering?
When Upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze I run into trouble because NFS 
wanted to mount before Bind was running. legacy-bootordering fixed this 
for me.


I also use legacy-bootordering on my GUI box: I use /etc/rc.local to 
start inputattach in order to support my serial mouse (I'm rather fond 
of my mouse). Without legacy-bootordering X wants to start before the 
mouse is available.



Regards,
Rob


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Re: how many users is enough?

2012-11-29 Thread Miles Fidelman


Slavko wrote:


I did search and i found the source, here it is:
http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/11/22/how-ubuntu-builds-up-on-debian/


Thanks for the pointer, I just went and read it.

It's a pretty good and informative read.  So are the comments. Still 
timely and worth reading.


Miles

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Re: Boot loaders for Linux that can also boot FreeBSD

Thank you all,

I'll report back ASAP.


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Re: how many users is enough?