Re: Only in America! ? (was ... Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question]))

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 09:35:16PM +, Curt wrote: > On 2013-10-31, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > > So you could shoot kids in halloween costumes for illegally being on > > your property? > > Only if they've been through your underwear (_very_ > puritanical country). If it was Halloween, it wo

Re: Only in America! ? (was ... Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question]))

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > What would any of us do if confronted by a burgler > in the middle of the night while we were home and woken up from a > sound sleep? Ceratinly a terrifying situation. Calm thinking does > not happen at such times. > Agreed. Even the Bible

Re: Only in America! ? (was ... Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question]))

On 2013-10-31, Thierry Chatelet wrote: > On Thursday 31 October 2013 15:33:25 Bob Proulx wrote: >> Note that I didn't say that I *would* shoot them dead. > > Maybe shoot them just injured ? /Smilet/ > Thierry > Right, he would've just blown their kneecaps out so they couldn't run away while he h

Re: Only in America! ? (was ... Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question]))

On Thursday 31 October 2013 15:33:25 Bob Proulx wrote: > Note that I didn't say that I *would* shoot them dead. Maybe shoot them just injured ? /Smilet/ Thierry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.d

Re: Only in America! ? (was ... Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question]))

On 2013-10-31, Chris Bannister wrote: > > So you could shoot kids in halloween costumes for illegally being on > your property? Only if they've been through your underwear (_very_ puritanical country). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubsc

Re: Only in America! ? (was ... Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question]))

Neal Murphy wrote: > Chris Bannister wrote: > > Bob Proulx wrote: > > > Case 1: I find that someone in my family who lives in my house has > > > rumaged through my underwear drawer. A violation of trust has > > > occurred. I am unhappy and will talk with them and give them a harsh > > > lecture.

Re: Only in America! ? (was ... Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question]))

On Thursday, October 31, 2013 02:22:40 PM Chris Bannister wrote: > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 03:38:12PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > > Case 1: I find that someone in my family who lives in my house has > > rumaged through my underwear drawer. A violation of trust has > > occurred. I am unhappy and wi

Only in America! ? (was ... Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question]))

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 03:38:12PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Case 1: I find that someone in my family who lives in my house has > rumaged through my underwear drawer. A violation of trust has > occurred. I am unhappy and will talk with them and give them a harsh > lecture. This is not appropria

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Bob Proulx wrote: > Tom H wrote: >> >> The "standard" task installs both nfs-common and rpcbind. > > Aha! Apparently the ability to nfs mount in /etc/fstab is the root > cause of the dependency chain that requires nfs-common and therefore > portmapper. At a guess

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 03:38:12PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Reco wrote: > > And what about the end result ('user will get root privs')? > > They are different users. A remote user could be anyone. A local > user is someone who is already known and has an account on the system > and who has an

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

Tom H wrote: > The "standard" task installs both nfs-common and rpcbind. Aha! Apparently the ability to nfs mount in /etc/fstab is the root cause of the dependency chain that requires nfs-common and therefore portmapper. At a guess. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > Reco wrote: >> Bob Proulx wrote: >>> >>> Is 'rpcbind' installed by default? I will need to look. I wonder why >>> it would be there? >> >> Part of a NFS client, I guess. Package is not marked as an essential one, >> though. Running a diskless

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

Reco wrote: > And what about the end result ('user will get root privs')? They are different users. A remote user could be anyone. A local user is someone who is already known and has an account on the system and who has an established relationship and trust. Case 1: I find that someone in my f

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 01:14:33PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Reco wrote: > > Bob Proulx wrote: > > > Is 'rpcbind' installed by default? I will need to look. I wonder why > > > it would be there? > > > > Part of a NFS client, I guess. Package is not marked as an essential one, > > though. Runnin

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

Reco wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > Is 'rpcbind' installed by default? I will need to look. I wonder why > > it would be there? > > Part of a NFS client, I guess. Package is not marked as an essential one, > though. Running a diskless client over NFS would be a curious trick > without NFS suppor

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:45:03AM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Reco wrote: > > Bob Proulx wrote: > > > And one must be careful of throwing stones. For example Debian does > > > not provide a firewall by default. And it is debatable if it needs > > > one. Many people don't configure one. Many peo

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

Reco wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > And one must be careful of throwing stones. For example Debian does > > not provide a firewall by default. And it is debatable if it needs > > one. Many people don't configure one. Many people do. It all > > depends upon many things about the use case. I do

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Reco wrote: > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 09:37:02AM -0400, Tom H wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:31 AM, Reco wrote: >>> On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 21:50:23 + >>> Tom H wrote: On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Reco wrote: > > Yes, but pfexec is not sudo

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 08:15:43PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Reco wrote: > > Oh. You mean that HP suddenly transformed to good fairies and stopped > > charging extra for aCC? Or IBM received an encrypted signal from their > > supervisors from Mars and did the same to vacc? And don't even mention >

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 09:37:02AM -0400, Tom H wrote: > On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:31 AM, Reco wrote: > > On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 21:50:23 + > > Tom H wrote: > >> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Reco wrote: > >>> > >>> Yes, but pfexec is not sudo. And privilege-aware Solaris shells are > >>> de

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:31 AM, Reco wrote: > On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 21:50:23 + > Tom H wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Reco wrote: >>> >>> Yes, but pfexec is not sudo. And privilege-aware Solaris shells are >>> definitely not sudo too. >> >> It might not be sudo but it's the same p

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

Reco wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > Most of those systems ship very little by their vendors. I have used > > them for many years and almost all of the software that you will use > > on those systems will have been compiled and installed by the local > > admin. IMNHO they are mainly a good solid b

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

Hi. On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 21:50:23 + Tom H wrote: > On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Reco wrote: > > > > Yes, but pfexec is not sudo. And privilege-aware Solaris shells are > > definitely not sudo too. > > It might not be sudo but it's the same principle of privilege escalation. > > sudo

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Reco wrote: > On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 20:28:57 + > Tom H wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:41 PM, wrote: >>> On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:31:55 -0600 >>> Bob Proulx wrote: Sudo has been on HP-UX, SunOS, Solaris, IBM AIX and others for many years. It is

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 23:17:06 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 01:07 +0400, Reco wrote: > > Passwords stored in a plain text files in a recyclebin (or on a sheet > > of paper under the keyboard). > > Female sysadmins wearing slips of paper on the forehead with > passphrases: http

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 01:34 +0400, Reco wrote: > Please tell that to that Lennart Poeterring guy who invented his own > RealTimeGizmo for his beloved PulseAudio ;) Ok, now I'm able to resist. I love to be marxbrotherish, but with respect to the list, I try to fake, that I don't know who this girl

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 22:10:35 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > In the past I was against sudo, but nowadays I set up a root account > (su) and sudo for my Linux and if I use Ubuntu I usually keep it as is, > IOW just sudo, no root account. Security doesn't suffer from sudo, OTOH > "ich bin schmerzfrei"

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 01:07 +0400, Reco wrote: > Passwords stored in a plain text files in a recyclebin (or on a sheet > of paper under the keyboard). Female sysadmins wearing slips of paper on the forehead with passphrases: http://www.kingmatz.com/Bilder%202007/2009/mk/RIMG0206.JPG -- To UNSUB

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 20:28:57 + Tom H wrote: > On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:41 PM, wrote: > > On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:31:55 -0600 > > Bob Proulx wrote: > > > >> Sudo has been on > >> HP-UX, SunOS, Solaris, IBM AIX and others for many years. It isn't > >> anything new. It is a good worthy to

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 14:21:37 -0600 Bob Proulx wrote: > recovery...@gmail.com wrote: > > Bob Proulx wrote: > > This is not entirely correct. Sudo is considered third-party software > > in HP-UX (HP merely builds it and doesn't install by default), AIX (not > > provided by IBM and therefore not sup

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John Hasler wrote: > Doug writes: > > I'm not sure how you limit the superuser ability. > > By configuring exactly which commands each user is permitted to execute. Perhaps an example sudoers configuration would help people: User_Alias HOSTMASTERS = trent Host_Alias DNSSERVERS = someh

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:41 PM, wrote: > On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:31:55 -0600 > Bob Proulx wrote: >> Sudo has been on >> HP-UX, SunOS, Solaris, IBM AIX and others for many years. It isn't >> anything new. It is a good worthy tool. > > This is not entirely correct. Sudo is considered third-par

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

recovery...@gmail.com wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > Sudo has been on HP-UX, SunOS, Solaris, IBM AIX and others for > > many years. It isn't anything new. It is a good worthy tool. > > This is not entirely correct. Sudo is considered third-party software > in HP-UX (HP merely builds it and doesn

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

This seems to be an unintended initiated thread by me :D. In the past I was against sudo, but nowadays I set up a root account (su) and sudo for my Linux and if I use Ubuntu I usually keep it as is, IOW just sudo, no root account. Security doesn't suffer from sudo, OTOH "ich bin schmerzfrei" as we

Re: audacity export wma format[1 more question]

Doug writes: > I'm not sure how you limit the superuser ability. By configuring exactly which commands each user is permitted to execute. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Troub

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On 10/25/2013 02:31 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > Doug wrote: >> I know Debian is different, > > Most of us say that in a good way. :-) > >> but the distro I use and the man page for sudo, I believe, expects >> there to be a root password, that sudo will expect when invoked. I first encountered sudo

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

Hi. On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:31:55 -0600 Bob Proulx wrote: > Sudo has been on > HP-UX, SunOS, Solaris, IBM AIX and others for many years. It isn't > anything new. It is a good worthy tool. This is not entirely correct. Sudo is considered third-party software in HP-UX (HP merely builds it and d

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Doug wrote: > I know Debian is different, Most of us say that in a good way. :-) > but the distro I use and the man page for sudo, I believe, expects > there to be a root password, that sudo will expect when invoked. The most normal and traditional use of sudo is that sudo will expect the user'

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Hi. On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 02:11:51PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > > I don't understand how a user whithout the root password, and only > > his own password could use sudo, which seems to be how Debian is set > > up. > > > Not just Debian. > And it's by using the "NOPASSWD" option (with, as B

Re: audacity export wma format[1 more question]

On 25/10/13 13:03, Doug wrote: > On 10/24/2013 09:26 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: >> Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> Reading the list for a while, I won the impression that Debian by >>> default now comes with sudo enabled. >> >> It is one of the two possible choices that can be made during the >> installation.

Re: audacity export wma format[1 more question]

Doug writes: > The main purpose of sudo, as I understand it, is to prevent a user > from opening up su and then leaving it open--sudo will close after a > selected interval of non use. The main purpose of sudo is to make it possible to give some users restricted access to some commands that would

Re: audacity export wma format[1 more question]

On 10/24/2013 09:26 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> Reading the list for a while, I won the impression that Debian by >> default now comes with sudo enabled. > > It is one of the two possible choices that can be made during the > installation. There isn't a default. > > The user e

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Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Reading the list for a while, I won the impression that Debian by > default now comes with sudo enabled. It is one of the two possible choices that can be made during the installation. There isn't a default. The user either chooses to enter a root password and also a user a

Re: audacity export wma format[1 more question]

On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 18:07 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 17:31 +0200, François Patte wrote: > > libavformat.so.52 > http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/amd64/libavformat53/filelist Debian http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/libavformat53 Arch Linux $ pacman

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On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 17:31 +0200, François Patte wrote: > OK! BUT audacity requires a libavformat.so.52 file to export a file in > wma and aac format. Where can I find such a file?? > > I can see (google search) many people with the same problem and no > answer... Please sent requests to the lis

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On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:35:49AM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 25/10/13 00:27, Reco wrote: > > Hi. > > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 11:56:01PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > >> should have been:- > >> $ echo "alias s='su -c"'" >> ~/.bash_aliases;. .bashrc > > > > This works better as: > >

Re: audacity export wma format[1 more question]

On 25/10/13 00:27, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 11:56:01PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> should have been:- >> $ echo "alias s='su -c"'" >> ~/.bash_aliases;. .bashrc > > This works better as: > > function s() { > su -l root -c "$*" > } > export -f s > > Saves an extra " >

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Hi. On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 11:56:01PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > should have been:- > $ echo "alias s='su -c"'" >> ~/.bash_aliases;. .bashrc This works better as: function s() { su -l root -c "$*" } export -f s Saves an extra " Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lis

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On 25/10/13 00:08, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 23:56 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> alias s='su -c "' > > You still need a wrapper to handle quotation marks. > > command_foo --option_bar "string abc" > > by your alias > > s command_foo --option_bar \"string abc\"" > > imagine

Re: audacity export wma format[1 more question]

On 25/10/13 00:00, Tom H wrote: > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Scott Ferguson > wrote: >> >> I don't do default[*1] installs. Certainly "expert" install mode gives a >> choice (choices are good) - regardless of whether people use sudo or not >> root *should* have a different password to any o

OT: audacity export wma format[1 more question]

On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 23:56 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > alias s='su -c "' You still need a wrapper to handle quotation marks. command_foo --option_bar "string abc" by your alias s command_foo --option_bar \"string abc\"" imagine more than just one option needing the quotation marks. It's ea

Re: audacity export wma format[1 more question]

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: > > I don't do default[*1] installs. Certainly "expert" install mode gives a > choice (choices are good) - regardless of whether people use sudo or not > root *should* have a different password to any other user. > > But of course it's the sy

Re: audacity export wma format[1 more question]

On 24/10/13 23:19, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Hi Scott, > > On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 23:04 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > >> "su -c" isn't too difficult for many, and if the extra keystrokes are a >> problem:- >> $ echo "alias s='su -c"'" >> ~/.bash_aliases;. .bash rc should have been:- $ echo "alia

Re: audacity export wma format[1 more question]

On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 14:19 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 23:04 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > > "su -c" isn't too difficult for many, and if the extra keystrokes are a > > problem:- > > $ echo "alias s='su -c"'" >> ~/.bash_aliases;. .bash rc > > then you can use "s" instead of

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Hi Scott, On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 23:04 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > Worse, and *very* common with, um, "users" of > a "popular" derivative of Debian is "%sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL" which > requires no password for sudo(sigh). Ubuntu definitively made some steps into a wrong direction, but AFAIK all

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Hi Ralf On 24/10/13 22:42, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 20:43 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> su -c "apt-get -st deb-multimedia install audacity" > > Reading the list for a while, I was under the impression that Debian by > default now comes with sudo enabled. > > > Could be, I

Re: audacity export wma format[1 more question]

On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 20:43 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > su -c "apt-get -st deb-multimedia install audacity" Reading the list for a while, I won the impression that Debian by default now comes with sudo enabled. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

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On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:24:07 +0200, François Patte wrote: Le 24/10/2013 00:15, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 00:03 +0200, François Patte wrote: It seems that debian version of audacity is compiled without FFmepg supports, is that true? and why? Perhaps because Debian prefer

Re: audacity export wma format[1 more question]

On 24/10/13 20:24, François Patte wrote: > Le 24/10/2013 00:15, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : >> On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 00:03 +0200, François Patte wrote: >>> It seems that debian version of audacity is compiled without FFmepg >>> supports, is that true? and why? >> >> Perhaps because Debian prefers libav

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Resending to list On 24/10/13 20:21, François Patte wrote: > Le 24/10/2013 09:53, Scott Ferguson a écrit : >> On 24/10/13 18:13, Δημήτρης Παπαδάκης wrote: >> >> > >> >> It seems that debian version of audacity is compiled without FFmepg >> supports, is that true? and why? >> >> Yes i

Re: audacity export wma format[1 more question]

Le 24/10/2013 00:15, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : > On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 00:03 +0200, François Patte wrote: >> It seems that debian version of audacity is compiled without FFmepg >> supports, is that true? and why? > > Perhaps because Debian prefers libav over ffmpeg. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li

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On 24/10/13 18:13, Δημήτρης Παπαδάκης wrote: > > Is ffmpeg stil; debeloped? > Yes. http://www.ffmpeg.org/ > Στις 24 Οκτ 2013 1:04 π.μ., ο χρήστης "François Patte" > > έγραψε: > > Le 23/10/2013 11:00, François Patte a écrit : > > Bonjour, >

Re: audacity export wma format[1 more question]

Is ffmpeg stil; debeloped? Στις 24 Οκτ 2013 1:04 π.μ., ο χρήστης "François Patte" < francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr> έγραψε: > Le 23/10/2013 11:00, François Patte a écrit : > > Bonjour, > > > > Is there a debian package to install FFmepg libraries for audacity? > > > > I need to export some au

Re: audacity export wma format[1 more question]

On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 00:03 +0200, François Patte wrote: > It seems that debian version of audacity is compiled without FFmepg > supports, is that true? and why? Perhaps because Debian prefers libav over ffmpeg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libav#Fork_from_FFmpeg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to de

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Le 23/10/2013 11:00, François Patte a écrit : > Bonjour, > > Is there a debian package to install FFmepg libraries for audacity? > > I need to export some audio files to this format. > > Thank you. > It seems that debian version of audacity is compiled without FFmepg supports, is that true? an