Nic
Re swing
- its
100% java - it uses (pretty much) 3 functions of the OS:
draw pixel
draw line
display text
This is the main advantage C# will have over Java, M$ will tout it as
portable whilst highly
targeting it to the Windows Graphics Model, they are never inconvenienced by
actually
That's what they tried with Java until Sun sued them. C# and .NET is MS-JAVA
v2.0
This is the main advantage C# will have over Java, M$ will tout it as
portable whilst highly
targeting it to the Windows Graphics Model, they are never
inconvenienced
by
actually
having to consider
nt: Monday, 8 January 2001 10:36 a.m.
To: Multiple recipients of list Delphi
Subject: Re: [DUG]: Is Delphi dead?
This is the main advantage C# will have over Java, M$ will
tout it as
portable whilst highly
targeting it to the Windows Graphics Model, they are never
inconvenienced
by
2001 11:01
To: Multiple recipients of list delphi
Subject: RE: [DUG]: Is Delphi dead?
Here are some of the "other" platforms...
Windows NT/2000
Windows (DOS) 95/98/ME/
Windows CE (Windows inside?) - important in .Net!
Windows XBox
Embedded Windows NT
Whatever else lurks in th
Windows NT/2000
unlikely to run .net
Add "Windows Whistler" - the next version of 2000, which is the first to run
.net stuff.
Windows (DOS) 95/98/ME/
MS have stated that these will never run .net - Whistler personal is the
minimum, AFAIK.
Windows CE (Windows inside?) - important in .Net!
Windows XBox
Vapour ware :) (I want one when they are released tho)
Yeah and Linux Kernal 2.4 was vapourware as well according to Wired
magazine,
and then it was released a week later...
Here are some XBOX links for you...
Microsoft press release...
Nic
Re C#
problem is, it aint portable if you can't _actually_ run it on other
platforms.
Define Run! - It would be to much of a risk for M$ to make C# Windows Only
(would be like arming the DOJ) but you can bet that they will be spending
as much effort making .NET run nicely on their
Define Run! -
In this context:
c:\dev\classes\myappftp othernonwindowsmachine
ftpmput *.class
telnet othermachine
dotnetruntime MyClassFile
running app
or something as similar.
It would be to much of a risk for M$ to make C# Windows Only
(would be like arming the DOJ) but you can bet that
Is .Net an application or an operating system?
Is a JVM a application or an OS? Consider this the App/OS distinction
was easy when all apps and OS were distinct (2 tier so to speak)
But in these days where OS are becoming more complex (complete?)
it is hard to say - it's an n-tier world out
Then explain to me (if you need to drop to technical details, please do),
why is Java+Swing so damn slow on "normal" PCs, sure, once the P4 is
Hm, OK, lets seperate this just a little:
Java is not slow, especially using the new 1.3 JVM's with the HotSpot
compiler. It is a little resource
Carl Reynolds wrote:
From: Mark Derricutt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Is there much work for C++ Builder (specific) based projects?
I see alot for c++ but is their much for builder itself?
Well, IIRC at BorCon last November they said that C++ Builder accounted for
only 1% of Borland's
From: Corey Murtagh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Personally I don't use Delphi (much). I use Borland C++ Builder -
Delphi with a C++ compiler mated to it. I dabble in a little OP when
I need to (components and so forth), but all said I would take C++
over Pascal any day of the week. When we
On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Carl Reynolds wrote:
Delphi, but it was all grist to the mill. I've been tempted to try
winging C++ Builder certification just because it would be a good way to
prove this point, but I need a sponsor... :-)
Is there much work for C++ Builder (specific) based projects? I
From: Mark Derricutt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Is there much work for C++ Builder (specific) based projects?
I see alot for c++ but is their much for builder itself?
Well, IIRC at BorCon last November they said that C++ Builder accounted for
only 1% of Borland's sales, so I guess not. Anyone
In the "VB Beats Delphi in 'independent' review" thread Neven said:
"Are they trying to sucker us to C++ so we miss the VB - C# Stampede?"
Rather, I think, there may be a Delphi - C# Stampede.
As background to my ruminations I present the following articles.
C#, the natural progression
-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Martin Paulo
Sent: Thursday, 4 January 2001 12:09
To: Multiple recipients of list delphi
Subject: [DUG]: Is Delphi dead?
In the "VB Beats Delphi in 'independent' review" thread
Martin
"Are they trying to sucker us to C++ so we miss the VB - C# Stampede?"
You probably missed the intended sarcasm in that remark.
One of the "features" of C# is platform independence with M$ recent history
on
this topic (the J++ windowising) would you trust these people.
Delphi/Kylix is
Neven MacEwan wrote:
snip
Delphi/Kylix is still my first choice for Graphical App Development and the
recent
thread on Free Pascal/Lazarus only reinforces that choice (if it was a load
of crap why would people copy it)
Sorry Neven, just couldn't resist this one.
VHS vs BetaMax, PC vs Mac
From: Martin Paulo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
I think, there may be a Delphi - C# Stampede.
I'm very pleased to see C#. Firstly, it's tantamount to an admission by M$
that Delphi, despite it's differences to VC++ and VB, has been a much larger
success than anticipated and now M$ want a piece
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Sent: Thursday, 4 January 2001 12:38
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Martin
"Are they trying to sucker us to C++ so we miss the V
MacEwan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 4 January 2001 12:38 p.m.
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Subject: Re: [DUG]: Is Delphi dead?
Martin
"Are they trying to sucker us to C++ so we miss the VB -
C# Stampede?"
You probably missed the intend
Subject: RE: [DUG]: Is Delphi dead?
From: Martin Paulo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
I think, there may be a Delphi - C# Stampede.
I'm very pleased to see C#. Firstly, it's tantamount to an
admission by M$
that Delphi, despite it's differences to VC++ and VB, has
been a much larger
Um, Delphi is pascal and pascal has been around for longer than 10 years...
Personally I would be disappointed if we were are still using the
languages
of today in 10 years time! It would mean that there had been little change
in the computer field...
-Original Message-
Um, Delphi is Pascal and Pascal has been around for longer
than 10 years...
[snip]
I think that as C++ is to C so is Delphi to Pascal. One of the reasons why I
found Delphi easy to learn was the thorough grounding in Pascal that I
received in University. These
om: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Martin Paulo
Sent: Thursday, 4 January 2001 13:12
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Subject: RE: [DUG]: Is Delphi dead?
No, I didn't miss the intended sarcasm of the original remark. It just
triggered me into trying to find out w
Who would. That isn't what Java is for right?
Although one of the articles noted that the MS Java VM was supposed to be
faster so maybe C# on desktops wont have the speed issue that Java has...
How many developers are writing Java for the desktop?
Tell me a company that relies on DOS applications that could make use of
pascal. In Australia (where I live) there are ocasional adds for pascal
developers. There are also adds for pascal developers in Britain. A lot
of companies in Britain still use Win 3.1 or DOS. I have spoken to several
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Patrick Dunford wrote:
What "advantages" does C# offer? it is targeted at the Internet - not
at desktops. Try comparing it to Java - which is the environment that
MS is targeting with .NET - not desktop environments !
I've been avoiding this thread, but I thought I'd ask
There was a download of the C# compiler on msdn about 2 months ago (I
guess). It had no IDE though and the download was still almost 90 meg (and
would only work under Win 2000 and IIS 5 - from memory). Although I think
there is a Visual Studio 7 Beta out now that can be downloaded (if you are
From: Martin Paulo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
I am also very pleased to see C#. It validates my decision to adopt Delphi
all those years ago! It will also, as you state, force the multitude to
become aware of the power of Delphi. However they will know it as the
power
of C#! And having learnt
it...
Further, expect the final cut only around the beginning of next year...
Martin
-Original Message-
From: Mark Derricutt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 4 January 2001 1:53 p.m.
To: Multiple recipients of list Delphi
Subject: RE: [DUG]: Is Delphi dead?
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001
Is Delphi Dead? IS DELPHI DEAD?
I'd respond with "Is Elvis dead?" 8-)
Delphi is only dead if Borland kill it, and then it'd take a few years
before it moldered completly away and became unusable.
From the Profax teams point of view Delphi biggest advantage is that its
an extensible environment
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Subject: RE: [DUG]: Is Delphi dead?
What "advantages" does C# offer? it is targeted at the
Internet - not at
desktops. Try comparing it to Java - which is the environment
that MS is
targeting with .NET - not desktop environments !
How many developers are wr
recipients of list Delphi
Subject: RE: [DUG]: Is Delphi dead?
Is Delphi Dead? IS DELPHI DEAD?
I'd respond with "Is Elvis dead?" 8-)
Delphi is only dead if Borland kill it, and then it'd take a few years
before it moldered completly away and became unusable.
From the Profax teams
OFFTOPIC - I finally got a Linux distro to acknowledge my USB mouse,
soundcard and it lets me get on the internet as well. [Mandrake 7.2]
Excellent :) How are you finding linux with Mandrake?
I like KDE 2. It looks good and appears (to me) to run faster. Although
it automatically logs
Max
As always a clear head - Delphi is at such a critical mass now that
it would probably survive (a la Lazarus?)
and it not like your've gone out and tatooed "Borland Rule OK" on your
forheads have you?
No..but I was considering a Penguin
Neven
Neven MacEwan said:
and it not like your've gone out and tatooed "Borland Rule OK" on your
forheads have you?
No..but I was considering a Penguin
Hmmm, dangerous. Linux is good, but there are some very nice alternatives
waiting in the wings (concider Eros) that may take over in the one
On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I like KDE 2. It looks good and appears (to me) to run faster. Although
it automatically logs me into KDE which I don't like and be buggered if I
can find how to switch it off... I know one thing for sure - still got
lots to learn!
:) Odd,
delphi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 4 January 2001 14:47
Subject: RE: [DUG]: Is Delphi dead?
On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I like KDE 2. It looks good and appears (to me) to run faster.
Although
it automatically logs me into KDE which I don't like and be buggered if
I
can
Max Nilson wrote:
Neven MacEwan said:
and it not like your've gone out and tatooed "Borland Rule OK" on your
forheads have you?
No..but I was considering a Penguin
Hmmm, dangerous. Linux is good, but there are some very nice alternatives
waiting in the wings (concider Eros)
Try it for yourself. I still think you can download version 5 personal
edition free from there website. It installs onto your windows partition
as a single file and depending on whether you have 98 or NT you can either
start it directly in the OS or you use a boot disk. It was very different
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Neven MacEwan wrote:
quipped that you have to change the default run level
from 5 to 3 (in the /etc/inittab file)
Ahhh, my box boots runlevel 5 by default, always did, I remember on the
install there was a "automatically log in as user x on bootup - y/n"
option, I guess
Steve Peacocke wrote:
snip
Simply put, Delphi is a user interface addition to the Turbo Pascal
language. When I wrote The Trader Series (largest selling small business
accounting program at the time - mid to late 80's), I was able to release
onto the market an application that spanned
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