Re: voting was: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven 3.0-alpha-5

2009-11-28 Thread Brian Fox
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Brett Porter br...@apache.org wrote: Brian, I'm not sure if you were replying to me or others, but you quoted me and snipped my actual point: I'm fine with either more or less frequent releases... I'm not fine with circumventing review or pushing releases

Re: voting was: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven 3.0-alpha-5

2009-11-27 Thread Brian Fox
I'm also not pushing for duration for testing purposes. That's part of it, but as Jason said automation can reduce the need over time (though it's never going to be 100% so there's some value in testing). However, it is mostly for an opportunity to review changes. If we do 8 releases a day,

Re: voting was: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven 3.0-alpha-5

2009-11-27 Thread Brett Porter
Brian, I'm not sure if you were replying to me or others, but you quoted me and snipped my actual point: I'm fine with either more or less frequent releases... I'm not fine with circumventing review or pushing releases outside the ASF. I agree with everything you said below. I was saying we

RE: voting was: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven 3.0-alpha-5

2009-11-26 Thread Todd Thiessen
- From: paulus.benedic...@gmail.com [mailto:paulus.benedic...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Paul Benedict Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:21 PM To: Maven Developers List Subject: Re: voting was: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven 3.0-alpha-5 I would also like to contribute my frustration

RE: voting was: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven 3.0-alpha-5

2009-11-26 Thread Todd Thiessen
, November 25, 2009 9:21 PM To: Maven Developers List Subject: Re: voting was: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven 3.0-alpha-5 I would also like to contribute my frustration with the current build process. It's great the alpha releases are coming out often, but I cannot possibly be testing them

Re: voting was: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven 3.0-alpha-5

2009-11-26 Thread Jason van Zyl
: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:21 PM To: Maven Developers List Subject: Re: voting was: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven 3.0-alpha-5 I would also like to contribute my frustration with the current build process. It's great the alpha releases are coming out often, but I cannot possibly be testing them

Re: voting was: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven 3.0-alpha-5

2009-11-26 Thread Ralph Goers
On Nov 26, 2009, at 5:04 AM, Todd Thiessen wrote: I can only speak from experience with what we have done here internally but I can also attest that releasing too often is a real pain. You end up having a bunch of releases publicized that no one cares about. It only serves to clutter a

Re: voting was: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven 3.0-alpha-5

2009-11-26 Thread Ralph Goers
On Nov 26, 2009, at 5:56 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote: On 2009-11-26, at 8:04 AM, Todd Thiessen wrote: I can only speak from experience with what we have done here internally but I can also attest that releasing too often is a real pain. You end up having a bunch of releases publicized that

Re: voting was: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven 3.0-alpha-5

2009-11-26 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 2009-11-26, at 11:04 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: On Nov 26, 2009, at 5:04 AM, Todd Thiessen wrote: I can only speak from experience with what we have done here internally but I can also attest that releasing too often is a real pain. You end up having a bunch of releases publicized that no

Re: voting was: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven 3.0-alpha-5

2009-11-26 Thread Brett Porter
On 27/11/2009, at 2:27 AM, Todd Thiessen wrote: The logic here is flawed because it is from a single perspective of an individual who finds it burdensome to validate each and every release. It isn't just me. Both Paul and Brett expressed similar concerns ;-). I don't think this was my

Re: voting was: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven 3.0-alpha-5

2009-11-25 Thread Jason van Zyl
If ever we really needed to push out builds more frequently I would just do it from Sonatype. I've given up trying to be truly agile at Apache, it's just not going to happen. On 2009-11-25, at 2:10 PM, Dan Fabulich wrote: Niall Pemberton wrote: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Paul Gier

Re: voting was: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven 3.0-alpha-5

2009-11-25 Thread Brett Porter
On 26/11/2009, at 6:24 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote: If ever we really needed to push out builds more frequently I would just do it from Sonatype. I've given up trying to be truly agile at Apache, it's just not going to happen. I don't understand what the issue is with the current process.

Re: voting was: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven 3.0-alpha-5

2009-11-25 Thread Jason van Zyl
Let's not beat the dead horse. No one cares. There's not good reason for not releasing something immediately if there are fixes available. That's just not the way it works here, that's fine and not a big deal. On 2009-11-25, at 7:52 PM, Brett Porter wrote: On 26/11/2009, at 6:24 AM, Jason

Re: voting was: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven 3.0-alpha-5

2009-11-25 Thread Paul Benedict
I would also like to contribute my frustration with the current build process. It's great the alpha releases are coming out often, but I cannot possibly be testing them at the frequency you guys are currently tagging and voting. I thought the once a week alpha was a good idea until it actually

Re: voting was: [VOTE] Release Apache Maven 3.0-alpha-5

2009-11-25 Thread Stephen Connolly
2009/11/26 Paul Benedict pbened...@apache.org: I would also like to contribute my frustration with the current build process. It's great the alpha releases are coming out often, but I cannot possibly be testing them at the frequency you guys are currently tagging and voting. I thought the once